Salt Lake City 2022 City Council and RDA Board Meetings, 4 Oct 2022

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October 2022 work session meeting before we get started here, I'm just going to let everybody know that the council will be we're starting the formal or the work session meeting. Now we're gonna ask for a motion I'm going to ask for a motion to go into closed session immediately we're going to leave this link, we're going to go to a separate link and I'm going to come right back here after uh 20 25 minutes and start the open public hearing at that point.

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So right now, I would look for a motion to enter a closed session for attorney-client matters.

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Mr, chair I, move that we enter closed session for the purpose of receiving advice of Council on a reasonably imminent, pending uh or pending legal matter, and disposition of real property.

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I have a motion from councilmember Wharton, a second from council member Fowler. Any discussion on this item. Seen no discussion on the side of my roll call is councilman Fowler.

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Yes, brother Morris, yes, Peter, yes and I'm, a yes that passes five to zero council member mono and uh Pui are absent at this time.

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um Council, member boy is actually online. Oh Council, chair councilman, if you guys can unmute him. Thank.

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And councilman employee, so that is uh 620. We will now be entering close well we're going to be going into closed sessions this time. Thank you.

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We'll continue with our work session at this time to keep everyone healthy and safe. We continue to host hybrid meetings. Our meetings are public and you are welcome to join us in person or by watching for the council's agenda page Facebook, YouTube and SLC TV. We hope you'll join us. You'll continue to join us in whichever manner you feel most comfortable.

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This is a work session meeting during which there is no public comment. Please join us tonight during the 7 PM formal meeting. To share your comments. We welcome your feedback Anytime by mail to PO, Box, 145 or 7-6 Salt Lake, City, 84114 email, us at Council, dot comments at socgov.com or 24 hour phone line, 801-535-7654.

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Written comments we receive on agenda topics are shared with council members and posted to our website. Slccounsel.Com.

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We will We Begin our. We generate our uh work session that, after this closed session and we'll go to item number one informational update from the administration all right. Thank you. Rachel Andrew, Hannah,.

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Hello, council members, thanks for having us today, um quick covet update for you, among some other health updates. First slide still have good kova news to report. Cases in the U.S and in Utah have are down 24 over the last two weeks. Next slide, please.

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We have left up this booster FAQ, just because it's been a couple of weeks since we talked but again there's a couple of differences between the Pfizer and the moderna boosters Pfizer is available to age. 12 and up moderna is 18 and up those are the limitations there. The Omicron specific booster has essentially superseded all of the other boosters now um and then, as we get into flu season and everyone's thinking about getting flu boosted, you may want to just look back and remind yourself.

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When was the last time you got your coveted booster, it's been more than two months and you're eligible for another booster. You should just go ahead and do that. Kids under the age of 12 cannot receive the new booster, but 5 and 11 will get the previous one. So just keep an eye out on the kid booster eligibility as they are also getting ready for their flu vaccines.

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Next slide, please again just good metrics on the county dashboard to report this week, it's been a little while it seems like since we've seen that much green on one of these graphs, but hospitalizations continue to go down fewer people seeking emergency care and more people up to date on their vaccinations this week, and hopefully that continues to grow as people start getting in to see their doctors, this fall or going to the flu vaccine clinics next slide. Please.

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um Case counts over time, just just to you know, go back and feel like a sense of accomplishment. As we see those cases fall over time next slide. Please the waste water, no real Trend! Here, it's just it's pretty flat over the last month, I'm still keeping an eye on on the waste water, but at present in Salt, Lake, City and then most of our water districts around us.

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um There's no, no trend, I! Think that's everything on coved! We have a next slide. Please quick monkey, pox update, we have had 160 confirmed and probable cases of monkey pox in Utah. That vaccine is still somewhat limited, but it is currently available to any sexually active man or transgender or non-binary person who has sex with men. Anyone who, in the past six months, has had sex in a commercial venue or an association with a large public event, so still very specific Outreach on the vaccine.

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But if you do meet the criteria, you can call the county health department to schedule an appointment for vaccination or a booster. Second, vaccination I should say: I, don't actually know if it's a booster. Second, vaccination, one more slide on the flu, so this is um pursuant to council shares, request to add a little bit additional information as we get into these seasonal issues here.

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So flu season is here, as you all probably know, and that activity really ramps up now and then Peaks between December and February, so experts, if you're following the news, because we have to get worried about something- we need to be worried about a twin demic right now, which is a new exciting word in the Lexicon to endemic a surge of both covet and the flu.

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um There are some concerning Trends coming out of the Southern Hemisphere, so we'll, of course, keep a close eye on that. So vaccinations as always are key. Everyone, six months and older should be vaccinated. Most people only need one dose of the flu vaccine for the season. It's a good time right now to get vaccinated before the flu season really picks up.

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So there's the website there to find your nearest flu vaccine and hopefully lots of clinics coming to an elementary school near you and we'll continue to keep you updated on those opportunities in our subsequent updates. Any questions.

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Okay, thanks I'm, going to turn it over to Hannah Barton Community liaison thanks.

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Rachel um I have a couple updates from the community engagement team. First I think this is pretty standard but I'll just direct everyone to slc.gov feedback, which is where a lot of community community engagement opportunities are posted to engage with the city and there's a couple surveys that I'll refer to later on. That can be found at that slc.gov feedback next slide. Please a couple updates from planning in District 5 for the Ball State ballpark station area plan.

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The Planning Commission forwarded a recommendation to adopt the plan with a modification to increase density on Main Street north of 13th South. The next step is bringing it to the city council, and that is currently in process as far as HRC zoning after stakeholder meetings, the public draft of the proposal is expected to be released. Mid-October, after which the 45-day comment period will begin.

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um Adu modifications the update to zoning regulations related to adus to make them a permitted use in all zoning districts and in compliance with state law has been recommended to adopt by the Planning Commission transmittal to city council is in process next slide. Please a few Transportation updates in District 3 Salt Lake City is partnering with the Capitol Hill Neighborhood Council to implement neighborhood traffic, calming strategies that promote safety, livability and neighborhood character for area residents. The EA project team is working to hold an open house event for that project.

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On November 16th in District Five, the Kensington neighborhood byway project will make Pleasant and convenient routes for people using active modes of transportation by encouraging safe travel speeds, discouraging cut through vehicle traffic, providing safe Crossings of busy streets and connecting people to destinations. There are two days left to provide feedback to the survey on that which will close on October 6th.

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So again, you can find the link to that survey through the city's feedback page, the North Temple Mobility, Hub study, the project team and Consultants are nearly finished with preliminary concepts for the mobility Hub to include space for both Transit and transportation connections, as well as options for communities face and Community connections for this West Side Mobility Hub in support of the frequent Transit Network. The team will bring the concepts to the city, technical team and Community advisory committee for input and feedback in the next several weeks.

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The city team is also in continuing discussion with property owners who may potentially be interested in partnering on that project. um In Sugarhouse, the transportation team is beginning efforts to combine the Outreach for the city's Transportation projects.

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Projects in this area include but are not limited to 11th East Highland Drive reconstruction, 13th East reconstruction, 21st, South reconstruction, the McClellan Trail and shared Street projects. Outreach continues on all of these projects, including making information available at the Forestdale Golf Course event this Saturday from 9 A.M to 5 p.m, as well as at the Sugarhouse Art Walk in November.

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Next slide, please an update on a thriving in place from Cannes. The out of town consultants for thriving in place will be in town next week for some targeted phase, two engagement to seek input and ideas regarding potential plan, recommendations for collaborative action toward displacement mitigation in the city. The team plans to convene meetings with can leadership.

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The city steering committee, the community working group and several organizations and service providers working specifically with West Side communities, folks, can review phase one results on the project website, which is thrivinginplace, slc.org and folks, can stay tuned for opportunities to provide input on phase two recommendations.

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Next slide, please from Public Utilities, Tanner Reservoir was constructed in 1932 and is in need of an update. The reservoir will be rebuilt next to the current 1 million gallon Reservoir and be completed by 2025.. This is a new project, so a website with more information is currently being created and public engagement with stakeholders is just starting on that next slide. Please from our community engagement team and the mayor's office in July, we launched our community office hours every month. Our liaison team holds office hours in each city, council District.

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The goal here is to be proactive and reach residents who don't typically engage with our office, so those locations are listed there. I personally will be at Cafe on First this Friday in the Avenues and then I'm lucky enough to be at Caputo's next week to get a sandwich and hopefully talk with some great residents, so that'll be good next slide, please.

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um Lastly, just want to finish it up with some upcoming events for the month of October specifically want to highlight that the monster block party on the 28th is a city sponsored event. There will be trunk or treating a costume contest, live performances free for everyone of all ages, so it'll be fun and I know that we're also looking forward to the international market on October 29th, and that's all for me.

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Thank you, Hannah.

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uh Mr, chair and council members, you can see the current occupancy rates of the Resource Centers for last week, uh higher 98 plus, which we can anticipate going into the fall we'll continue on um as we move into the Overflow period. October through April, we'll also be giving you updated numbers on each of those new locations in their occupancy through the winter. Next slide.

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On the left, you'll see the upcoming schedule. This is the monthly schedule we have. 14Th will be a resource fair at Library, Square 17th is kayak core on the 28th is a multiple case docket for the courts. They do uh virtually on the right. You'll see the current five locations for winter overflow. The top one is the day services that we can Center St Vincent de Paul, and then those dates in yellow are actually tentative, so don't set those in stone right now, but based on Staffing and the provider's abilities to get things ready.

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They are hoping that on the 17th of this month, it's in Vincent de Paul downtown will have 65 beds and then the Mill Creek location will have at least 100, maybe a little more than that, depending on the on the spatial needs and then you'll see. November 1st is the current Target date for the three existing Resource Centers to increase their capacity for the winter months by the Numbers you'll see up there.

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The rapid intervention team continues to work with active camps and then some other sites. We've talked before that they'll go out and evaluate sites, and if they can engage with folks who are staying there and particular them into Services they'll give them some time to do that before they'll go in for cleaning or sort of an intervention that way so you'll see, there's a mixture of active engagement sites and then some cleaning areas as well.

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Each week that rotate back and forth a bit and then the health department will be on the Jordan River, primarily this week doing some remediation stuff, probably a little farther north I'm. Guessing any questions. Mr chair or council members.

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Questions: oh, go ahead.

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Anytime, council member you're welcome council member I'll keep trying to improve every week.

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Wanted to add to that Andrew and to your team. I went on a drive-by with uh Chief Brown on last week. Is it drive by sorry.

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Don't drive along drive by drive along sorry, English is my second language and the Buy on Ian I failed those classes, English classes.

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um But we've noticed you know he took me around District, Four and the hot spots and and things that coincide with what the you know. What the neighbors um call us about, and things are looking way way way better from what a year ago used to look so, and he was telling me all of the different teams that we know about, but preparation Team, all of them, so the Improvement, it's obvious and, and he was saying what else can we do I'm like no keep doing this?

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This is great, like so I appreciate all of the effort and the headache that you go through to get this done. So please pass that along.

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And we definitely will- and the Heart team will appreciate that very much. So thank you and their work with police is I think paying off. We have a lot to do, but it's Improvement noticeable thanks. Thanks.

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Thank you. Andrew Hannah Rachel appreciate that Council we're moving on to item number two updates on the Glendale Regional Park planning, Allison Roland there. She is right cat, Moss, there's cat and Kristen's here, and you can stay there, gotcha all right, Allison. It's all yours thank.

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You Mr, um as you can see, cat and uh Nancy are available online they'll be uh providing the presentation. This is essentially updates from the public lands department on the Glendale Regional Park planning process. It includes the preferred site plan which they'll explain in more detail later anticipated phasing for site development, a preview of the information in the upcoming Glendale Regional Park master plan, which the council saw last May 3rd and then.

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In addition, a review of the community engagement process for the master plan and a discussion of an option for site certification, which is a certification process similar to lead for buildings. But this is for parks and Open Spaces.

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The council may remember that back last May the project team for this park needed to advance with the detailed design of phase one Park elements to meet this deadline. That Glendale has Glendale Regional Park area has on uh providing active park space. This is because the site was originally funded by the federal land and water conservation fund, so that has gone forward and in order to help meet the pro. The first phase project deadline of April, 1st 2024., sorry, I kind of mingled. All that but I hope it's clear.

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um So this master plan, the master plan itself, will come before the council sometime in the next few months after it's reviewed by the Planning Commission, which will be later in October and implementation of the full Glendale Regional Park master plan will be phased to reflect funding and strategic opportunities, as well as staff capacity and Logistics. As you may remember, the this park is included in the general obligation Bond. So the question will be before voters of whether to provide a significant chunk of financing or not um on the um in November.

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So much will depend on that. I will turn it over to Nancy. Now.

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We need to interrupt for a minute hold on one one minute. Please cat.

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Cat, can you hear me.

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We've lost audio from WebEx, and now it appears they cannot hear us. So could we uh have consideration of a small recess to work through a technical? Yes,.

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We're going to take a pause here for technical issues and I. Think Kristen is Kathleen is texting cat at this time.

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Thank you, I I,.

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Think we're on pause uh for this work session. At this moment, whether you can hear me or not, I'm gonna pause.

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Cat you'll probably have to rewind like two slides, because you're doing a great job, and uh but no one could hear you except us, sounds.

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This one perfect and was there another question that I missed or was it just you couldn't hear me? We.

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Just couldn't hear you.

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Back here, apologies to the folks online. This may be a repeat, um so I will just dive into some of the larger elements that you'll see in this master plan.

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um The full draft is available online, so this is just kind of an over overview of the plan, but it includes a site background, an analysis that includes kind of an assessment of the local and Regional access to the site, the context within the Jordan River Corridor and the neighborhood, the city and the region, as well as kind of highlighting the unique ecological elements and the goals for the site and a demographic study of the community and the city, um and it includes a summary of the public engagement and how it was used in the plan, and it includes the preferred conceptual site plan which you'll see here in a moment that is just kind of the high level look at the layout, the amenities to be included in the future site, and it also makes recommendations for immediate and long-term activation and programming potential Community Partnerships as well.

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um It goes over the goals and metrics of the plan that are based on stakeholder and public engagement, that include recommendations on improving connectivity and access to the site, creating Community spaces and assessing the sustainability and ecological function, with uh restoration to the site into the future, and then it also includes an implementation and phasing strategy, along with high level kind of cost estimates with what that will take. O m planning and programming recommendations.

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Next slide, please so you all I believe had seen these before in our last briefing, but I just want to kind of touch on how these are used in the plan.

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um They were vetted through community and public engagement and kind of helped us to define the amenities, the programming and the environmental recommendations and proposals that are present in the plan. So really the highlights are they? We really wanted this park to be neighborhood-centric celebrating the community, um while also being kind of a city-wide destination that celebrates the Jordan River.

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um We wanted there to be really active programming to promote to promote cultural expression and amplify Park safety and also provide high levels of Environmental Quality to both improve the community quality and environmental justice and overall access to Nature within the city um and then something new with these goals. Are you will see in the plan a set of metrics that kind of show how the park design meets these goals and fulfills the mission? um So that's present in the plan as well. Next slide, please.

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So these are the two site plans that were presented to you at the last briefing, and they were also the plans that were presented to the public during our engagement period. um So we asked folks to kind of look at these plans more like a puzzle um and kind of look at the individual amenities within these plans.

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That folks would like to see um give us comments on the layout and their General thoughts about each of these plans, and we kind of asked some of the questions um that were like what would draw you to the site.

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um Where would you like certain things to be located within the 17 Acre Site, and what types of things do you see yourself and your family using at this park?

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um So we engaged with nearly 1500 folks and at that point, the project team analyzed the engagement and kind of extracted elements that would need to be included in these plans that the community wanted to see, including a rush layout, the context of the individual amenities and then the types of activities also that these amenities could support, um and it is a 17 Acre Site. So there are, is a lot of space available um and there are a number of different nodes and amenities that we included. um That will be shown in the concept plan.

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uh Next slide, please So, based on the public engagement. These were really the top features that the design team knew had to be included in the full Park design um things that kind of came to the Forefront included, places to gather with community members places to share food and culture amenities associated with water and as well as amenities associated with the Jordan River, and then active playful colorful features to make sure the park is a really vibrant space and a really safe space.

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Some additional highlights included, Community, plazas um and all ages, all abilities playground with assistive Technologies and then overwhelmingly.

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We heard the need for a water feature at the site, particularly an outdoor pool, really Rose to the top kind of as a nod to the old water park, but also to provide access to water play on the city's west side, which is kind of lacking in comparison to East, Side, Access um So, based on all this community input and the investigation of the site, our consultant pursued throughout the past year, the project team came up with a final Park design, which is now available to the public. Next slide, please and is shown here.

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um So this is kind of the final design for the park um that is shown in our master plan draft. It is based on what we heard through Community engagement, um specific amenities, location and layout and overall themes that the community highlighted.

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um We see here kind of a large Flagship playground for all ages, ranging from Top play to uh play areas for older children and even adults as well, including assistive Technologies. We see places to gather like plazas a signature Pavilion that we're hoping to make a really unique feature and then lawn spaces for active Recreation or passive Recreation as well, and we see some really active features. In addition, so we have climbing features: a skating ribbon skate park, an outdoor pool and the plan also really celebrates the Jordan River as an asset.

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We focus on riparian restoration. We incorporated picnicking areas and boardwalks along the river, providing an opportunity for like an interpretive experience, and then we even have a Riverside beach with sand volleyball proposed along the river as well, and we've included infrastructure for farmers, markets and food trucks Flex the spaces that can be used for a variety of different events and then included improved parking on the site as well, with additional access proposed across 1700 South to access the 1700, South River Park, currently, and also across the Jordan River, to connect with the Jordan River Parkway.

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So, in addition to this site design, the draft plan document also includes a phasing strategy. So next slide please.

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So in the plan uh this is proposed for a phase one um which, as Allison mentioned, does have to be open to the public by April 2024 because of the requirements from the land and water conservation funding used to purchase the site um so we're currently working with our Consultants design, Workshop towards the design of phase one to meet this deadline.

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um So this kind of shows the location of potential elements for phase one which were decided upon based on public engagement, um feasibility of construction within this tight timeline, to make sure that we can get that project done and open implementation of an area that would be able to remain open through construction of feature phases and then also what elements and area of the park would be able to make the most impact.

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So we elected to develop the portion of the park, that's adjacent to the current Glendale park, um so that we can kind of create a contiguous Park experience and really maximize our impact and park space in phase. One um next slide, please.

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So these are kind of the nodes that you'll see in Phase One, um with the high desire from the community for Gathering and active play. We have a playground feature and a community Plaza area.

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um Additionally, in order for this park to be successful, we kind of we recognize the need for immediate opportunities for programming and activation um to get people onto the site right away. So this community, Plaza and Promenade provides infrastructure for markets and food trucks and events and then to accommodate the expected increased use at the site. Even with phase one. We've included a parking development in this phase as well.

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um Next slide, please so we're we're kind of exploring these detailed elements for phase one. This is kind of where we're at in terms of schematic design right now um we're hoping to include a unique Pavilion structure, some Gathering spaces and incorporate an open, lawn and full court basketball, which was based on public engagement um and then, as I mentioned, the large Promenade will be immediately be able to immediately accommodate farmers, markets and events and those types of things, um and we are keeping in mind throughout the design process.

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How feature development will impact the space so we're kind of leaving spaces open for connections to uh the different phases, um so we're currently designing for an impactful phase, one to kind of open to the public in 2024.

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um We recognize that some elements may need to be scaled back due to potential budgetary constraints. um We've had faced a lot of escalation and inflation over the past years, as I'm sure you're aware and um the demolition of the site. There were some unforeseen circumstances that could impact the scale of phase one.

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um However, we public lands is intending to apply for a budget amendment to complete this phase, one which, of course, will be contingent on the results of the Geo Bond passage in November um next slide: please: okay, I'm, almost through um next steps for where we're at kind of right. Now um we have presented this plan to our Parks natural lands, urban forestry and Trails um Advisory Board, as well as the transportation Advisory board and the Glendale Community Council.

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um So our next step here is in the adoption process. Now that we've shared out this plan with the public will be to appear before the Planning Commission, um and so our public noticing period for the Planning Commission is 45 days and we'll conclude on October 10th, um which is when the project team will then hopefully present to the Planning Commission, to request feedback and recommendation for adoption to the city council.

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So we're hopeful for this presentation to be around the end of November and then work towards a transmittal to city council by the end of the year. Those are all tentative dates, of course, and then concurrently in order to meet our deadline for opening phase, one we'll continue to move forward with design of that phase, one that I've shared um and move forward with that project as well um and then the final slide. Please.

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So the full draft is available online for approval, along with the project background, and we also have an interactive site map where you can kind of view more intimately, the individual amenities and programming opportunities on the site. um But thank you all so much for your time. Again. Apologies I couldn't be there in person, but I would love to address any questions and comments. You might have at this point.

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Thank you very much Kat council members. Any questions for cat.

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uh Hi Kat. Thank you for that presentation. My question is actually um I mean I, have a pretty high high level of confidence that our voters support, open lands and Parks, but um assuming the Geo bond does not pass in November. Are we at risk of missing that deadline of 2024 for reopening the park um and what would our backup plan be and and kind of? What can the voters expect.

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That is a great question. Thank you. Councilmember um public lands is in the process of submitting I. Think today was the deadline, a budget amendment, to request additional funds to complete this proposed phase, one um and so contingent on the bond passage.

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um If it does not pass, we will move forward with this budget amendment request for impact fees at the site um and our uh hopeful that it can utilize our impact fees to at least fund uh phase. One.

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Thank you coach. My father.

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And sorry in phase one would allow us to meet that deadline and stop time to fundraise and find another way to pay for the remaining phases. Is that I'm actually saying that right? Yes,.

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That's correct thanks.

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Hi Kat, thank you. So much um I recognize that this presentation and where we're at in the process is a is sort of we're high level, but at the same time we're in 2022 and in October, so we're what 15 16 months away, maybe 18 months away from that 2024 deadline and and now, knowing that there is a potential budget amendment coming one of the things that I I don't see in the trends middle or staff report, and maybe I just have missed. It is what is um well there's.

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This is sort of like a three-phased question, so one I don't see anything regarding um ongoing maintenance of the facility and how much this is going to cost us um as we continue building it.

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um Because, as we look at Phase One and go into phase one and say everything happens, fabulously um and we get it built then phase two phase, three phase four- are only going to increase in costs because we're going to have to continue maintaining the phases before that and so I um again I recognize that- and maybe this is more of a comment instead of a question.

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Unless you have an answer to me, um but you know I I again, I recognize that we're sort of at this high level of just communicating and figuring out what the community, what the community wants. But, as everyone always hears me say, yay give the community a unicorn, but what's the good in having a unicorn if it's dead, because we can't maintain it so um that needs to be part of the narrative in my opinion, needs to be part of the discussion as we move forward.

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So I don't know if you want to speak to that before I. Go to my next question, which now I forgot so I might need a time anyway.

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Yes, I can I can address um what I can with that there there is a um yeah, like you mentioned, a high level kind of proposal in the master plan for maintenance and operations um with cost estimates for that as well.

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um But at this point the administration's plan is to use the funding our future dollars for maintenance of new Bond funded facilities or uh particularly phase one, and then when the time comes, for us to add more staff for the maintenance of the site, um we'll we will work with the administration and- and you all at city council, to allocate those allocate and fund those positions.

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Okay and then my second question and and I don't well again sort of high level as we look at the unicorn and the the the beautifulness that of the pictures that come out of the whole Glendale park.

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um One of the things I think we've seen throughout the city and and I would say probably throughout time and I can think of a couple of examples. Is that we're, as a city I, think that that it seems sometimes to me that there's struggle in programming um these facilities, such that where we have high hopes we either don't have the staff we we haven't. Necessarily and again this may be in Phase five right. So we're talking.

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Maybe you know 10 years down the road, but I think it's important that we are thinking about that now, so that we have that plan in place and I I can give a good example of golf courses right that uh are we programming them in a way that where we have an anticipation that they're going to pay for themselves or they're going to you know generate something that that we're not actually utilizing them in in the most beneficial way right.

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And so, as we look at this and there's all of these great amenities and we're going to have these programming and ideas, are we actually going to fulfill that? And is that something that's on the mind of you guys as we're going out into the community and and making these promises.

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Yeah Council member Fowler I've made that comment so much and programming has definitely been at the Forefront I. Think of our minds and the community's minds, as we were going through engagement, I. Think people definitely recognized that in order for this site to be successful, it has to be programmed, um and so with that we engaged a sub-consultant they're called Agora Partners um throughout the master planning, partner or process that, specifically, all they did was focus on Community Partnerships in Salt Lake City. That would be feasible in the future.

K

um So there is a section in the plan that outlines specific programming recommendations and various infrastructures that the city could pursue um to make this a successfully programmed site. Because I mean to your point. We we kind of recognize the limited capacity that public lands in the city may have to successfully program this. So we kind of leaned on that subconsultant to make proposals within the plan to engage external Community Partners.

C

Great, that's excellent. Thank you so much thank.

K

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A

Questions Mr, chair, councilman.

M

Yeah I, just thank you. Mr, chair I, wanted to um share some some thoughts. There's no questions here. Kat. Thank you so much for your presentation and for presenting to the community councils on the west side and and near near this project, uh and thank you for you, your work and your team um incorporating the ideas that the community share uh on creating ways of uh engaging the community um and I know that was a lot of work and that work.

M

It needs to happen and I I'm very encouraged by the effort that your team uh and the Consultants put together to to capture the the feedback from the community um and I just wanted to say something that um that is in my mind. When I, when I see this project, there's the West Side deserve a park like this, uh the west side and the communities of the West Side to serve this. The neighbors uh in in the area of town to serve these amenities and I, really hope that we can make it happen.

M

So I I know that this is might be meaningful to meaning less uh as a feedback, but um I just wanted to say that I really really hope that this happens and uh I will do anything in my power too to to help in this project. So thank you, God and thank you. The administration for this.

K

Thank you, council.

A

Member and Kat also thank you. uh I was at the tab. I was a flying. The wall at the transportation, Advisory board meeting and uh I really appreciate the discussion we had there and just to kind of re-emphasize that whole idea of 1700 South and access to the park and biking and Trail and and uh crosswalks there and also Street comedy that 1700.

A

So that makes it a a very livable connection with the northern say, Northern section of the park: that's really not the park, but the whole Jordan River and how it extends and I think it's a beautiful connection, because with most the residents going there by bike or foot 1700 needs to be a very safe and welcoming entrance for the community. So thank you for the discussion and and thank you for working with Transportation on on uh dovetailing those two uh projects together, so appreciate that I see no other further questions have a great evening.

A

K

A

Council, we're moving on to item number three and we're going to item number three and four, which is uh regarding the Other Side village, and it's the uh the follow-up on the other side. Village pilot project at 1850, West, Indiana, Avenue, public benefit analysis and a resolution to authorize the lease rate and terms and then also the rezoning to facilitate development of The Other Side village at 1850, West, Avenue, West, Indiana, Avenue, follow-up Allison is still at the table and we have Katie Lewis and we have Kimberly Katie.

N

Hi, council members, Katie Lewis Salt Lake City attorney um Allison. Did you want to start out or do you want me to start.

J

Katie Lewis is here to start us out. Thank.

N

You I'm sorry I jumped in there I haven't. You all are discussing two agenda items today. The public benefits analysis which is tied to a potential ground, lease of city-owned property for less than fair market value and the potential rezone of that property and tied to that any conditions that you might want to add in a development agreement.

N

That would be the document that would guide the construction require requirements for the development of the tiny Home Project included in your packet are the original resolution, which includes a term sheet which would be the terms in the ground lease and also a more recent document that includes additional conditions that could be in the ground lease and also conditions that could be in the development agreement.

N

um You may want to take a look at any of those terms and consider whether they are the conditions that you would want for your potential approval of the public benefits analysis and the rezone, and with that Allison I didn't know. If you wanted to have someone share a screen or go through each one or how you want to handle the the council's consideration of those. But that's the introduction today.

J

I look to the chair.

A

Kind of go kind of walk us through those okay.

J

So Katie are you able to do that.

N

Absolutely that I will need someone to share a screen. For me, sorry I've.

E

C

N

N

So we could start at the approval of the rezone request, which is in your packets and is Cindy. Lou is working on it.

N

I I'll guide your attention to a document that was sent to you after the last council meeting and it's titled approval of rezone request, and then the next page is approval of public benefits analysis and it goes through potential terms that could be in your um in your motion sheet and would be incorporated into the development agreement. That's it yes, council. Member Fowler has it.

N

Okay, thank you I'm, I'm, sorry that we didn't have that cued up right away.

N

While we're waiting, does anyone have any questions generally about the public benefits analysis or the rezone or I can start talking with you about the turns, while we're waiting for them to be on the screen.

A

Is that would you go ahead and start talking.

N

About the terms, okay, great, so the approval of the rezone request, there are conditions that would be um prior to the publication of the zoning Amendment ordinance. So if you all voted on this on October 18th, the rezone would be approved, but it wouldn't be published, so the rezone wouldn't actually go into effect until certain sort of preconditions had been met and the ones that were recommended in this term sheet are finalization of the development agreement, completion of environmental remediation of the pilot phase acreage.

N

So that's the approximately eight Acres which would be at the other side, Village's expense and an executed guarantee of up to five million dollars from Joseph granny, which I think we've all talked about in previous meetings. But those are the three conditions that would trigger the property to actually become re-zoned. So that's sort of initial conditions and then the second conditions are what would be baked into the development agreement that you all may want to put in your motion sheet as conditions for approving the resume. So are there any questions?

N

First of all, about the initial conditions Prior to publishing the zoning ordinance and does that concept makes sense to everyone. Okay, okay, I'll I'll, keep going okay, so the the next Concepts that we have in the development agreement and just to sort of frame what a development agreement does for the record is the document that um is the contractual agreement between the city and The Other Side village, on what will be built on the property.

N

So the the conditions that would be important to put in there are that they can construct certain improvements. Those improvements would agree would excuse me would include a minimum number of homes for residential use. The number that is being proposed is 60 for residential use, 54 for affordable uh 10 of the 60 for staff and an additional 25 percent for uh what the the village is, calling the Inn separate buildings to serve the residents infrastructure and certain security infrastructure.

N

So those are the those are the conditions that we would recommend for the contractual agreement on what will be built on the property. Are there any questions or or comments about that.

N

N

Then the next thing that the development agreement would have is a what's called a schedule of development and that's important because it tells the the developer and the city when we will interact with each other. What what types of approvals the city will provide along the way and what trigger points there will be for them to do certain construction or improvements.

N

um One thing that we heard in the last council meeting- and it was reflected in this document when it's uh there there it is, although we should go to the approval of rezone requests, which I think is the page before this one yeah. That's great. So that's very, very small writing, and hopefully we can make it a little bit bigger.

N

But one thing that that we heard that this document shows is the the suite of remedies that the city would have that you all might might want to include in your motion sheets and your conditions for approval if the development agreement is not complied with. If the, if the organization breaches and that's called an event of default, um that this Suite or menu of Remedies could include termination, it could include enforcing on the performance so requiring them to actually do what they say.

N

They were going to do and any other remedies that we could do have at a court of law. So we put this document together for the rezone portion of the conversation to talk about what would be important to the council as conditions for the rezone and what remedies would you want to see in sort of the menu of remedies that would go into the contract and those are important because those are the conditions and the enforcement tools that you would be comfortable with to approve the rezone.

N

So those are the development agreement, Concepts I, don't know Kimberly. If you think I've missed anything or the can team.

N

Does anyone have any questions about the conditions?

N

If not, we can move on to the public benefits analysis where I think it's a longer list, and it's a more um because the the ground lease is a 40-year document that is really focused on the operation of the village you may have. There may be some things you want to focus on there in terms of the conditions.

C

All right, Katie, Mr, chair, hey me, the ground lease is a four-year.

N

C

44 and I was like I thought we were doing it for 40 years.

N

And now I'm really thank you. Yes, I'll speak more clearly, I.

C

N

C

N

That's a great segue to the ground lease. Thank you. So the the ground lease is the document that will contain contain the conditions that the council requires in order to approve the less than fair market rent for leasing city property.

N

uh This document is a 40-year lease for right now proposed to be the pilot site, which is the eight acres, and there are two um two tranches I would say. The first are the conditions that you may want to authorize or require prior to executing the ground lease, and then there are the conditions that would be in the ground lease for the 40-year term.

N

um I'll just keep on going if, okay, so the the conditions to authorize the execution of this below fair market value rent would be finalizing the development agreement approving the financial sources and uses Financial commitments, an operating budget guarantee from the sister entity, The Other, Side Academy for The, Other, Side, village and completion of environmental remediation. So those are the those are the requirements before the ground.

N

Lease is even executed that that we would suggest if the council wants them as conditions for the public benefits analysis, and then we've got proposed conditions that would be in the ground lease that really have to do with operation of the the site and Kimberly I. Don't know if you being the primary drafter of the ground lease would like to jump in and start that or if you want me to just keep rolling, go ahead up.

E

N

You, okay, go ahead.

E

Hi so I'm Kimberly, chitris senior, City attorney and I'm happy to walk through this with you. If you scroll to the very end of the document, sorry Cindy, Lou or whoever's controlling that we have attached what were the was the term sheet that was sent to you in the original transmittal that was discussed last week, and this term sheet has sort of the initial set of requirements for how the property will be operated.

E

The what tosa or tosv is required to do under the ground lease to prove up the public benefits that justify the below Market lease rate.

E

So I'm happy to go through these if you'd like or if you maybe I, can just go through them at a high level, and let me know if you have any questions, does that work and then what I would suggest to you- and this is something I- try to tell my clients and it's hard to understand sometimes, but if there's something that you expect the other party to do, we want to be able to point to it in the contract.

E

So if there's something that's important to you, please bring it up and we'll talk about where it's addressed or how we can add it as we go through these conditions.

E

So the initial set of conditions are the unit requirements. As Katie mentioned, we're talking about 85 units, 60 of them are proposed to be residences. 50. Sorry, 54 of those would be affordable up to 10, or up to six of them would be for staff who lives on site.

E

There are proposed three out of the 54 that would be ADA Compliant and that could be increased depending on need of the residents, and then the remaining 25 units would be used for a community in we have occupancy requirements next as to who is allowed to be a resident within the village. The most important concept here is that they first must meet the definition of chronically homeless, which is a HUD definition and then, in the event that there are not enough applications from those that are chronically homeless, who otherwise qualify to live in the village.

E

Then there's the possibility of offering residents to homeless persons, which is a less restrictive requirement. I.

A

Want to go back to the uh three ADA Compliant, so you already got your 60 build I'm, assuming those houses will be fairly close to being ADA compliance, because if you only have three- and you have a number of client possible clients, potential clients that are required, that they're going to have to upgrade those units to allow them and I don't want them to be uh taken off a list to be able to join the village because they don't have a uh residents that they can move into right.

E

So I think I'm gonna call on Tammy I know this has been discussed in that three will be wheelchair, accessible, ADA Compliant from the beginning, and my understanding is, is they? Are the other units are able to be converted to ADA Compliant, see I, don't know if we have any standards yet as far as um how many ADA Compliant units they would be going to build to accommodate the applications the residents. Do you know that Tammy I'm, sorry to put you on the spot.

O

I I spoke with tosa about this, and their plans right now include three, but they don't plan on turning anyone away. Who would need Ada accessibility, so they would modify units as they go and increase the number of ADA depending on tenant needs.

A

To the modifications would just be a very simple modification, because they're already getting rid of eliminating the uh door, jambs and Wide, Doors and and restroom facilities that will all probably be in each room I'm assuming because those are expensive upgrades.

O

I would assume as well, but I could get detailed information and respond to you via email, okay,.

A

O

Work. Yes, please thanks.

E

Okay, more questions on the units, or do you want me to move on?

E

I

Sorry, the one question was so Maxim right now: maximum of 60 units minimum minimum that even for for even for the get go like boom 60 or are they facing it? We're gonna do 10 15.

E

I I assume they will be built over time and when we get to the newer conditions, we've talked about how how they would build the units in connection with the other amenities and services, because they all support each other right.

E

We don't want, um like the social Enterprise things to be put in place without residential units and without these services, and so what we've included is a statement of intention that obviously will be built over time, but it should be all built together so that the residents who are there are able to partake of services and then there's social Enterprise needs to support the development and I I think it's possible that they might want to group the residences by funding availability.

E

So as the administration was looking at sources and uses that would be tied to their development plans, because obviously that happens a little bit over time just to construct those and put them on site. Okay,.

I

So 60 units minimum meaning and do they have a timeline like do? We have a timeline for them to say: okay, we're agreeing to 60 units Within five years you have to have 60 units or what are we doing so.

E

The development agreement does contemplate a timeline okay that has not yet been fully negotiated with tosa okay, so you could look at at the drafts. Well, we could talk about drafts and when we do that, what kinds of things are required in the timeline? Okay, that falls under sort of the negotiation part with the administration. That's still in I'm, ongoing, okay,.

P

And any timeline would start after environmental remediation right, so the conditions right.

E

So the conditions that Katie went over uh the documents would be signed after they meet the environmental. Remediation is done and you DEQ has signed off on whatever the compliances, with the right standards for the development.

A

And we also have to realize that the pro forma basically says they got 60 built and they're renting out those apartments or the other uh 25 or so right away. So they're they're they're not going to extend these 60s because they need to the income generated from those units and the it's.

I

Not as much a year.

A

Yeah they need all that to hit their numbers. Yeah.

E

And one thing that we've been talking about is that this is a the intention of this project is housing, and so we wouldn't want, for example, the community in to all be built out and not be housing the intended residents. So that's why it will all have to kind of go together, and that will happen over some period of time.

N

Council members, just to to put a very fine point on that in the document that has the potential conditions for you all to consider and potentially include in your motion for the public benefits analysis. Item number three specifically addresses that requirement that the different uses, including residential and the services, will should be constructed alongside each other, so that there are services to support occupied residences and vice versa. So that's that's one of those conditions for you to focus on as you're thinking about your motion.

P

And confine services to support those occupied residences, both in terms of support to the direct inhabitants and also as support to the Financial Security of the community, so like that cookie uh Enterprise, that they're projecting would contribute to the financial solvency and that so that's approved and allowed.

E

Right, so, if you look, um if we scroll down a little bit in the term sheet, there's a paragraph on Supportive Services as the kind of services that will be provided to support the residents within the village and then there's also the social Enterprise type um uses like one proposed as the cookie and the thrift store, where those will be used to support the financial viability of the village.

E

I

And it's Mr chair.

A

Mr chair go ahead.

M

I have a quick question on the um so for some reason- and this is not new though, but um we went from uh talking about Bodega to a thrift store and I know that uh uh the other side academy uh run several of those, and it makes sense that they will want to run one of those, but uh are we talking?

M

Are we still talking about the bodega type place, a place where people can buy milk and cheese or whatever it is uh the bodegas uh mini Supermarket type place, um or is that sort of morph into a thrift store idea on the the devodega stuff sort of got pushed to the side? Can I get clarification on that.

E

Sure I don't know where to look sorry, council, member, but uh the thrift store was part of their initial proposal. The bodega is still in play as something to be added as a condition and um I know. This is a little bit confusing in the order and I apologize for that. The initial documents we're talking about right now.

E

This is the initial term sheet that was provided to you for last week's meeting, and this is where it sets out the leasing requirements, the rents, the tenant selection and then in general, how the Supportive, Services and social Enterprise work.

E

If we go back up I'm, so sorry to Cindy Lou to make you jump all over. If you go back up starting on page two, where we have potential ground lease requirements, what we have done is taken all the things from the prior discussions and questions that you have asked and we have created this list. That are more specific to the concerns that you have addressed, and these are things that we can talk about today as to what you want to add as conditions to the ground lease.

N

And and council member Pui uh to answer your question specifically on that list, item number 14. uh identifies operation of a bodega or similar grocery store as one of the conditions. So one thing to think about is: if we're just looking at this these conditions and going through that, if you feel like you, sort of have an understanding of the term sheet already, and we start going through the conditions, we could start right there on on number one and say any changes. How do you feel about condition? Number one? How do you feel about condition?

N

Number two, which is the term sheet condition? Number three is so maybe that's a good way to direct your attention. If you feel like you understand the term sheet generally, would.

E

That be helpful.

A

That might be helpful. Just kind of start with that. Thank you, I remember one.

E

Absolutely I agree. Thank you, council member. So if we started those potential ground lease requirements, number one is really a more detailed description of what the unit's light look like and what the other buildings look like that are proposed for this phase. So this is where we have the at least 60 tiny homes.

E

54 of them are residences that will be deed, restricted for affordable at the affordable level of 30 of area, median income and below, and then six of those would be able to be used for housing for on-site staff.

E

Then this is where we address the three at least three affordable units, our ADA Compliant, more, if dictated by Resident, needs I captured this up to six units for staff 25 for the community in and then these are the other buildings that are contemplated on the site, eventually to support the uses. So one is, they are talking about like a neighborhood center, that's a clubhouse type use for residents.

E

The sizes will be appropriate to the development, so those might want to be changed or made bigger, depending on how the development's going and what they need.

E

One building would be the social Enterprise building where they're talking about um the initial proposal was the thrift store and the cookie Enterprise that could also house a bodega or the bodega could be in a separate building and then the last building contemplated is a community center where they can provide services. So you'll see, there's a medical clinic mental health clinic Social, Services, plus The Villages administrative offices and Security office.

E

So those are the specific developments that are being buildings that are contemplating being developed.

P

So I'm a little confused with numbers because we have 60, but 54 of them have to be used as residences six might be used as staff housing and then we're talking about up to 25 additional. For that in would that if they choose to do the n, would that mean on those initial Acres that we would Flex up to 85 small home.

E

Structures, I think technically we're talking about 85, small home structures.

P

E

The original eight acres.

P

E

The original eight Acres, but they've asked for 25 of those to be they're a little bit separated to be used as the community. In again.

P

Is like another social, Enterprise kind of concept, exactly um sorry, this.

E

B

P

Like Visio, spatial reasoning is not my strength. uh Eight Acres comprehends enough space for everything that we've said with dignity and an eye toward you know: Wise Community, planning.

E

uh That would not be my strength in plan unit development.

P

The good thing Nick Norris is here I, always every time I see. Nick I'm, like I, just want to hear his voice a.

E

Fantastic planning, director and planning department who would be looking over the um planned unit like plans.

F

The answer is yes, you can fit all that on eight Acres. These are fairly small footprint buildings and so eight eight Acres. If you do, the math is roughly 340 000 square feet of land, and so, when you start looking at that with a 13 000 square foot, Community, Center and even 80 homes, none of which are probably more than 500 square feet, then you start to be like all right. There's only X number of square feet for building footprint required and then how they lay that out with roads and everything else will be determined.

F

I

You think about this block. 10 acres fit all of that in this and not in this building, but in the block yeah.

E

Would you like me to go on so I guess I'd ask if there are other concerns or questions under this requirement.

I

For sure I do have one question. The number three ADA Compliant um units is that is an arbitrary like that number is arbitrary, or is it a hot requirement that for many units you put.

E

You know this is just I think their initial proposal, but, like Tammy, explained they're willing to to.

I

E

Units to meet resident needs.

D

I

Do could we do? Could we require more Tammy I mean it feels like the the folks that we're trying to help might have mobility. Issues like these are very vulnerable. People like, and so three out of 60 sounds a little little to me. I mean sorry low to me, so it.

Q

I

At least five people in a wheelchair or.

O

It's my understanding. Building code actually requires zero Ada. So it is tosa's um initial plans to include three units, but, like I said, they would modify additional units to meet tenant needs, but I think um if that's a preference of the council I think toso would be willing to plan to do additional from the get-go. The intent of the population served is those that meet the definition of chronically homeless and, as we know, that includes a long length of homelessness and a disabling condition, which could be various disabling conditions.

O

But you know it could include physical disabilities yeah.

I

If that's okay, so request that we have at least five I can I can drive around and show you three of our homeless neighbors that are chronically homeless in downtown already like, where it's full so like I will fill it up really quickly. I.

O

Don't want to be presumptuous and I could get feedback and an official response from tosa, but I think that would be okay.

I

E

I

Mind. Thank you. Thank.

E

You we'll just make notes, if you don't mind of the things.

B

P

It be within our purview to set just a Universal Design standard so that each unit as it's created could comprehend someone who has mobility issues is that something we could contractually I love.

G

Universal Design.

P

Anyway, because then no one, no one feels left out. It's just what we do, but.

A

Sure guess: go ahead. Do.

L

This I just wanted to say that when you're looking at we're talking about accessible units, there's all these different levels of accessibility and building code actually spells that out.

L

um I, don't know that we necessarily need to get into that level of detail. But since it seems like something council, members are really interested in I. Wonder if having that in that language, there's a you know, type A type, B visitable units, so they're all used for different purposes and different different requirements, and since we're requiring I mean we're already requiring three but I'm, not sure that it says specifically, what type of accessibility they are.

L

um I would just caution that some.

L

It sounds great to say that we need those, but it all comes at a cost, so additional accessible or universally Universal design standards or all those things do have a price tag. So we just need to keep that in mind and balance. How many units we think are going to be needed needed for that and not waste those additional costs on units that don't need that.

A

Things come to my model, Mr chair.

M

I, wouldn't uh these uh we're talking about you- know 1B right, three, affordable units or ADA Compliant wheelchair accessible. Wouldn't this next part of the sentence I solve what some of the council members concern, uh are brought up and more, if dictated by residence needs. So isn't, uh isn't this agreement already acknowledging some of the needs of that some of the council members are um seen uh like if there's more need this agreement already contemplates that they're going to keep add more than three right? Wouldn't this already just acknowledge that you.

A

Can't talk but yeah, I, I kind of agree and that's I, think we're asking uh Tammy is going to go back to Tulsa on that part of that, because if you want to make a wheelchair compatible, it already has to have the no ramps on the doors if the doors have to be wide enough, the shower facilities already have to be in there, but there's probably other things for the uh wheelchair that aren't in there.

A

So I agree with that Tammy's going to come back with after talking to toso, because my concern is, we have a fourth person who has it needs a wheelchair compatible house. uh There's a house open, but it's not there. How long does it take them to uh transition that house into allowing them and also make sure that they don't put that person?

A

uh Keep that person on the street because hey it's less expensive to just move someone else who doesn't have those disabilities into the place so that all I think it goes back to the point of making sure our language and from Kimberly's earlier point. We want to be able to point at something and say this is what we meant by that accessibility.

A

So I I agree with you and that's why you also don't want to have a universal or a specific number for each individual house, because then that kind of and ties you to hey I need 10 people who are colorblind and I need 10. People who are this and I need 10 people that that's not going to work out. So it's kind of going back to Tammy with the toaster on uh clarifying those concerns that we have here.

E

A

These are great points.

E

Dosa has committed to not turning away People based on accessibility alone, so we can add that language into and then we'll come back with. The additional information.

A

E

You, okay, so if we go back to this list, number two was the term sheet that we have already talked about to some degree. We get hit it again at the end, if you come up with any additional questions, we covered number.

C

Three, which I'm.

E

C

um I, don't know if you want to go through the term sheet at the end again, but I do want to bring up a concern that I have with the term sheet.

A

E

Timing is up to you.

A

Let's go through this list and come right back to that one yeah.

E

Okay, well yeah, um so number three we did talk about as well, which is the intent is to provide housing. This is not meant to be a program, so we want the services and the Enterprise that can support the housing to call all be developed together.

E

um We did put in there for every 10 residential units constructed at least nine shall be affordable units, which would mean that you couldn't construct all the staff housing or the community in housing. First, the nine out of ten is sort of an arbitrary number and I. Don't know if you feel strongly about that or if you just want to agree to the concept well,.

A

You talked to the game: 10 already is for uh Staffing, so that's ten percent. So that's 90 percent yeah. So we.

E

Might if we want to include the community in in that count, we might want to revise the 9 out of ten, but.

A

I would like to make sure that the first 10 are actually housing, not uh the uh in.

P

Okay, yeah Staffing, Staffing and housing.

A

Staffing housing correct the.

P

Enterprise right, that's what I mean.

P

A

P

So I I agree with you, like. The part that we're talking about is that this is meant to be housing, but I do want to reinforce that there should be programming, components and I. Think we've we've said that, but I want, especially for those from district one and two who are listening in to understand that we are not absolving. This is not like a containment area where people are just going to be left to to live like like programming is heavily part of what we're expecting from them.

P

Although this is not, you know a resource center or a therapeutic center that, but this is an actively engaging community that will have programming components while solving a housing issue. Yeah, that's a fair assessment, correct.

E

Yes, thank you. We've also included in here that participation, though in the services programming, social Enterprise, is voluntary on behalf of the resident. So this is not a program where they're required to work in the social Enterprise, for example,.

N

And council member that I think that that ties really well into item number four, because what what that says is that the operation of the residential units and the Supportive Services will be continual during the lease term, which really ties to that concept, that it's not only housing but also services, and it's that community and both need to be operating continuously during the term of the lease. Thank you.

I

Mr chair along those lines, I have a question, so you know originally from what I from what I understood about this proposal was we're going to it's going to be different than than tosa on the east side, it's going to actually do housing for the chronically homeless, but also for the mentally ill, and that's when we all raised around because we're like, if, if you need, if you know, if you want to do that, that takes more than just the house like it will take services and like really good services that can actually help this very difficult population.

I

And so, um if that's the case- and it's not therapeutic. So if it's not scary, so my guess is: if it's not therapeutic, then this is just housing. And so then we don't have to worry about the rest. But it's going to be a difficult situation to deal with a difficult population. So I, that's when I'm like.

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Does this group have uh the capacity to do that or do they need to partner up, and then we ensure that they partner up with a good service provider that will have that that capacity to help them mentally ill and the chronically homeless that are struggling mentally so with trauma and all of that stuff? So having that said, if they're going that route, if we're going that route, they were saying no you're going to help this difficult population will will give you the land for it.

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You figure out the housing and will help you figure out the service provider or you tell us what service provider you're going to partner up with, but it has to be in writing, because if it's just a thought, you know yeah we'll partner up with a service provider in the future that might help us.

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So if you would return to the transmittal from a week or so ago, they are tosa is talking to a number of service providers, including Valley mental health. Yes, and um do you remember, Fourth, Street, clinic and I think one other where I think one of the requirements that we have somewhere and if we don't have it, we need to add it at.

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Sugar House Dental, so Valley Behavioral Health 4th Street Clinic. None of them are hard commitments, yet they're still negotiating with tosa, but in the original term sheet it does say that the on-site location of services um must be provided by professional service providers, as evidenced through an agreement. Okay, so the administration would verify that there is an agreement in place.

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It also says that physical and mental health providers shall have the appropriate licenses and other service providers that aren't you know physical or mental health may be provided with, but they must have appropriate training and following industry best practices. Okay, so.

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It's as a condition, hey and those.

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Agreements will be like a condition of operating the.

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Thank you other.

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Questions moving on all right, so we covered the op, continue operations which is sort of a you, can't go dark and not House people and keep the property right. You have to keep operating. We've talked about transportation to off-site Supportive. Services must be provided.

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So that's also mentioned in the original term sheet um that there will be a connection with other service providers as needed. I think this just specifies transportation.

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Well, let's see sorry I'm scrolling all over the place. Okay, so the bottom of page two would be occupancy by residents promptly following receipt of a certificate of occupancy or the equivalent. So what.

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uh Can we make sure that we matching what is being read with what is being shown on the screen for those that are not in the room? Oh yes, yes, thank you for.

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Taylor, if you can go to page two, we're.

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Right we're at the bottom there.

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At the bottom numbers.

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So the point of six is that once the units are constructed, we would like them to be occupied as soon as practicable. They will be screening residents and through the tenant selection process. So there could be. You know some, hopefully very small delay between when the resident is able to be occupied and when it is actually occupied, but we don't want resident units sitting empty, so we're asking them to.

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You know: try to tee those up as promptly as possible.

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um If we go to the top of Page Three, which is the annual reports, we have a number of reporting requirements and if we look at seven and eight, these are not necessarily things that you might want all incorporated into the ground lease.

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But the idea would be things that you might want to consider um on an annual or other review to make sure that the village is, we covered three main areas, one financially viable, so to cover how they are whether or not they're actually able to support the village as they expected.

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The second one we've proposed is social outcomes of the target populations. Are we reducing the number of chronically homeless individuals and improving well-being, and then the third category is neighborhood level? Is there a positive impact on the surrounding community? So we have proposed a number of potential metrics here of things you might want to look at um I would suggest that the documents should incorporate the types of um compliance and review you want to look at, like maybe those main three categories you might want to leave yourself.

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Some flexibility in what the actual metrics are you're asking for, um but we can also con include these with the caveat that you can revise them as you see fit. But um would you like to go through the different potential metrics that you might want to look at Kimberly.

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May I at Mr, chairman I, add just some context. The administration talked with tosa about these metrics in determining success of the pilot project, so it would be things that we are looking at before we initiate an additional phase with Council. So in our discussions with tosa, this isn't the level of detail we have contemplated reviewing on an annual basis, but it would be part of a larger review before an initial another phase is initiated.

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Thank you and I would uh maybe the first time I would like to have an annual the very first one. Yes I want to have the first annual and I would probably like to just keep it at an annual basis, because I, don't think uh and then, but also the caveat of we can adjust. Some of these some may not be worthwhile too time consuming and not not really cost effective or uh needed, but others could be added to it.

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So some caveat that says we can adjust the list uh and then be more specific on what we're actually asking for on that that list. So that's.

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Kind of confusing.

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Councilman Fowler.

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Sorry I think I see what you're saying Mr chair, but to me it seems that if we're going to put that in a contract, then that's about I'm, not a transactional attorney, but it seems like that would be a rough thing to put in a contract of like. We want you to stick to this. Unless we don't want you to stick to this.

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Suggest that the the council and its conditions for the public benefits analysis focus on the three categories: the financial feasibility, social outcomes and neighborhood level, and the contract could have an you know, information that supports this, including but not limited to type language, so that you all know you're getting a report every year that hits on those three main topics and how those are packaged have to touch on these sub talk picks, but they might have other information too. As long as you're getting those three categories.

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Does that yes get you where you need to go? Okay, great? We can. We can work on that. Okay,.

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Mr, chair Council.

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Yes, I I will agree that um you know this. Having this information given to us annually is important. uh I also want to note that some of the neighborhood level information is information that we can access through the city. You know this will be information that Tulsa necessarily will uh would access.

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You know like Public Safety and code enforcement, and you know so those things that we can potentially find out by ourselves, but I think it will be in useful uh information to have, and it wouldn't create a lot of work for them, but for the administration to come up with this report, um but I think this is important for the community. These are some of the issues that the community is the most worried about. So if this is going to happen, uh this level of transparency is expected.

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Thank you and I. Also. This is also for the you know we can adjust this after the pilot program and go. Oh, you know be just a plan after we attack. That's my pizza.

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um I'd also like to make metrics not contingent on behaviors, we already know, are not awesome for westsiders, so police calls are a terrible way to gauge what's happening in our neighborhood, because we don't have a behavior. You know a communal behavior of reporting that way, so whether that means asking for additional patrols over there or finding some other metric I would like to make sure that we're capturing the most accurate data without forcing another behavior modification on the West Side. Please.

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I think I'm. Sorry, do you mind I think some of these the idea was to try to measure maybe changes before and after the development, but I think, let's you raise a really interesting point that we could talk more about well.

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And I think one of the biggest concerns I know coming from the Poplar Grove Community Council is experiencing what the Resource Centers experience, which is a lot of loitering around there, whether it would be RVs or or you know, other people right now. Our Baseline is zero. No one is loitering in that area, because it's an open field. You know we can take other baselines that will definitely improve. Like the number of dead tires left in the field. You know we're definitely going to decrease those, um but you know we that's a baseline.

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We can go and evaluate the community ourselves without and we can put calls in there but I want it weighted way down understanding that our heat Maps always require our police to do much more critical thinking about how to serve the community because of the the way west side residents view reporting to police. Okay,.

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Agree with that I think we should keep the calls I agree with council member Patricia. Sorry Mr, chair I, just like went.

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Do want to make sure that we keep that in there I suggested to keep you know. This is was was one of my suggestions from the beginning, so I want to make sure that we keep it in there because it gives us a baseline.

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It does you know when we're talking about calls we're not talking about that Parcels of calls right, like you know, yes, of course, no one is calling about from that parcel or to to talk about that parcel in particular, but we're talking about the the surrounding area and that's something that we need to come up with a rubric to measure so um and I think that councilmember Peter Asher does bring up a very good point about trying to measure all the this. This impacts in other ways.

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um How do we do that? That would be very interesting to come up with.

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Thank you, Council uh councilman, father.

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Thank you and I think as a sort of a response to both petro eschler and councilmember, petrochler and council, member Pui, I, think Katie's suggestion sort of captures everything and and what I Envision if I may is that um the suggestion is that in the contract and the language of the contract itself, it says you have to report on these three things right, these three umbrella level, things of financial feasibility, social outcomes with Target populations and what is impacting the neighborhood level and then what I have seen in my experience here and that I think we can do is then, when that report comes to us, we get to say, wait a minute, we're missing something here.

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Can you go back and find that information or wait but but putting like, and you have, in my personal opinion, putting it and some this Kimberly also brought this up they're sort of being vague and having the umbrella kind of allows us to have flexibility rather than saying you have to put police calls in there and then it's like well, we put police calls in there right and again. Katie brought this up. One of the magic link phrases in um transaction- a lot is including, but not limited to right. Where we get to say we.

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This is an example, you can add more things, but then again, the beauty of having this report is that it comes back to us and we we do this all the time. We've done this with audits. We do this really with every report that comes to us is say, this is really great information but we're missing X, Y and Z. Can you please go back and get us this or in the next report?

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This is really what we want to focus on and I think having that broad umbrella with these ideas of what we want right, but but not in that language reaches all of those goals and and then we get to kind of guide the conversation once that's there right and we all do it all the time of like yeah. That was great information.

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Oh by the way you didn't answer any of my questions so go back right, I mean or whatever it is so I I think as we're having these discussions, keeping out of the weeds a little bit and creating some of that flexibility for us and council members in the future is is incredibly helpful.

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And I just also kind of want to point out. Thank you, councilman Fowler, on the list here, the big three and underneath these sub boats it says potential metrics, so we're not dictating what metrics we're seeing these are potential metrics. These are some more ideas, but it's the three big ones, three, big categories that we're really kind of focusing on. So it does say: potential metrics,.

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Here, and so in that vein, giving flexibility under the Community one I would just like to make sure that we are responding to the actual community's concerns and not what we perceive as their safety. You know make sure that we're our neighborhood Hears A lot, that the statistics are going down, but our experiences don't always reflect that, and so I'd like us to show good faith that your experiences and the metrics are going to come together in this project.

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If I may I think, the point here is to be able to present you with the kind of information that you can then interpret in the way that is helpful to determine how you think the property is doing like what the impact is. Is it accomplishing what you wanted it to you, get to interpret the information and how you want to all right there?

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There are also some annual reports that are compliance type reports, so you know, are all of the residents or how many of the residents meet the income requirements, how many of them meet the um land?

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Why am I? What am.

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I yeah the area standard, occupancy and um income eligibility reporting that any affordable housing project is required to do um is already included in the term sheet and just to reiterate, we came up with those metrics and have talked with tosa about them contemplating expanding beyond the pilot project, but I think the administration could tried to keep in mind that this is a ground lease that will last 40 years.

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So the types of metrics you may want to see today will be completely different in 20 years, so I, don't think you want to lock be too specific.

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Okay, we ready to move on so I'm going to go to 10, which is almost at the bottom of page 3, which is the ground lease will require tosa to maintain all of the improvements that it builds within the village, so that would include all the buildings, Home Street gutter, everything those are all going to be private.

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um We describe what the units look like a little bit here: they're anticipated to be either Studio or one bedroom units with private baths and kitchens fully furnished, including housewares and then maintained in good repair and compliance with compliant with applicable law. So something that you previously mentioned is sort of habitability. And how do we know that these are not becoming really run down slum kind of places, but so that will be in the ground lease.

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uh Number 10, when we're talking about my main maintenance of all improvements. Are we talking also about snow removal.

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Okay, 12 hits on something we've already talked about, which is the voluntary nature of participation, 13 Just Hits on employment, and we have. We will require tosa to comply with all applicable laws. This would just call out employment and non-discrimination laws.

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Top of page four, we will include all standard City Contracting terms, so that would include insurance, indemnities condemnation, other liability allocations um and then we just just say other terms as reasonably recommended by our office, so that we have the ability to negotiate things that might not be on this list, but that are in the best interests of the city number 14 we've talked about, but operating a bodega or a similar grocery type store. Where you know, we want to make it clear that these are sort of food Essentials available. There.

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um 15 was something you discussed in your last meeting, which was the city does not want to provide future Financial contributions to operation of the village uh and then, of course, future phases will be approved by city council if they wanted to do a lease and that lease is below Market. That would have to come back to city council with a new public benefits analysis. So it's just reiterating those points and then the last condition we've suggested are adequate security measures for the village and the surrounding community.

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um I think those are probably in discussion. I know that there have been discussions about like safe fences and patrolled security guards.

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I think that I don't know how much the city of that wants to dictate and I think there's a lot of discussion about the atmosphere that you're, creating inside and outside of the village and so I think if we say that it you know it needs to be adequate so that everybody is safe and there's not a negative impact on people inside or outside. That's really what we're going for right.

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I think yeah, you don't want to make it look like it's a right right. We.

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Right, um so that was our list of potential conditions. Are there things that you also want to add or other concerns we haven't addressed.

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This feels almost superficial compared to all the other stuff we've been talking about. Is there a way to promote water, wise Landscaping as we're doing this, recognizing that we're adding population density and water usage requirements.

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To my knowledge, we haven't addressed Landscaping in the plans and I think you could. uh We could do that, probably in both the development agreement and.

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Then it'd be nice to exempt them from some of those things that we're struggling with in ordinance and like set a tone there. That would be a template for water wise. We.

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Definitely would take planning's Direction and their Landscaping plans, and things like that.

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You thank you, so this is a question for um me for that, for both of you. So let's say this project is amazing. Let's say it goes as planned. um All of a sudden, There's A Renewed interest in this part of town. We have a lot of people saying we want to build here. We want to do this shop here.

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Actually we change our mind, and now we do want to put that big Supermarket that the west side has been waiting for 20 years, because we see this valuable village now so now we see it as a positive. Now we want to be there, but by that time I'm not sure when Salt Lake City will be built out.

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We are constrained naturally geographically, so we go up or but before we go up up, we'll fill out all the spots awaken land that we have um little by little and then we go up so somebody says: hey you guys, built eight Acres or 20, and now you still have like 20 or sorry. So how many acres is this 60.?

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So let's say we had a lot of acreage available and somebody says now I want I would like to talk to the city and see if we can do that: big amazing Supermarket or more housing, market rate or another affordable housing project that it's not related to The Village.

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But now we enter in this contract that is 40 years and we're bound like we can't really like we will be reaching the contract if we, if, if we said to this new group yeah for sure you know this is a great idea- it's Economic Development, it's another public benefit. So I guess my point is: do we have an out if, if this is what may happen in the future like if all of a sudden, so meaning I, don't want to bound future Council or a mayor that they're?

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Like oh shoot, like you know, we committed to this group and it's doing great, but we also have these new opportunities that will be beneficial for the neighborhood and so we're gonna have to wait for 40 years until this is over or con or pay them it to us, and so we can get out of the agreement. So thank.

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You for that question, council, member, um so by committing to a contract and requiring one party to operate this Village, and we in turn committing to give them the property for that certain period of time. We've engaged in a contractual relationship and as long as they are doing what they say, they're going to do, and we are doing what we say we're going to do, then that contract can't be terminated unless it's breached or unless both parties agree to terminate.

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um You know, I think if, uh if there's a point within a 40-year period, when both parties say, we think we want to go a different direction or we think we want to change the density or we want to revise this or amend this in some way. Certainly, parties always have the opportunity to renegotiate contracts, but if everyone is complying with the terms as written now, then without being in breach, that's that's the deal that we are striking.

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And so is there any in sorry? Is there any interest by by us or by toasted to say hey? Maybe we don't do a 40. like give us a wiggle room, give the city wiggle room, because maybe you're so successful that in 20 years things may change like we might need this piece of land for something else. Go ahead.

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So remember too, this ground lease is for the initial pilot phase: okay and you're not obligated to use the rest of the property for anything. At this point, it's just the eight Acres. It's just 40.

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So if you had some development that came in and you decided that you wanted to lease the city property to a grocery store on some other part of this- that that's a decision that could be made. Okay, so.

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We're not so it's not the whole thing. We.

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Talking about great.

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We are talking about rezoning, the full 28 Acres.

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Different from the ground right.

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So you can always, though, if you rezone the entire parcel, which is what you're contemplating I believe and you had a use come to in the future on some vacant portion, you always have the opportunity to Zone it something else.

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Mr chair, if I may thank you. I just want to express the administration's position and our discussions with tosa we're working.

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um It's an informal partnership at this point, but it is, as you know, contemplated to be larger than the pilot phase and tosa is raising a lot of capital and putting considerable effort and time and funding into the pilot project. So um just wanted to to state that.

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You want to return to the conditions.

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In the term sheet and then we'll go back to the remedies, if that's okay, okay,.

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Yes, please thank you, you read my mind um so the term sheet, the issue I'll start.

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Term sheet starts on page five.

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I will get to the area that I.

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Oh yeah I'm, sorry.

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um The on page, six, subsection, four tenant selection.

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I I appreciate and recognize like sub subsection little eye, but um where it says that they can, there's can be a preference um for individuals with a commitment to sobriety but may not deny housing to protected classes pursuant to federal and state fair housing laws. um I again, I fully understand. All of that I have my lawyer. Brain comes in here and being a trial attorney.

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This sounds like a very easy, like that's an objection that never gets um and that's sorry lots of legalese right there, but it concerns me that you one could be turned away on the basis of their non-commitment to sobriety, but in reality and I'm not suggesting that tosa would do this again. This is my legal brain here, but in reality it is on a different basis um and I.

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Don't know how to fix that or how to address that and I think this language does try to get there I'm, just certain I'm, just sort of throwing out some of my concerns um and and with that with the tenant selection.

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Again, I know that we're writing in throughout this that you know you have to follow fair housing. You can't discriminate these things, but I also wonder if there's something within the conditions or within here that could address that in a way of you know their and I, don't know if this is already within our city ordinances.

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But if you are a landlord, you have to have information available readily to your tenants regarding their remedies if they want to make a complaint right that that that information is readily available and I again, I don't want to get too far in the weeds, knowing that there's sort of a back and forth, but I feel like that.

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That needs to come up because we're if we're looking at um a population that is chronically homeless, um I, think one of the things I have seen in doing some of the volunteer work. I've done is that and even people not homeless, but are just running, don't know where to get the resources. If something has happened right and and if the idea here is to create this space, where people can have these resources and if there is a complaint I want that to be readily available for people without this idea of like no.

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No, we just you, know, there's no complaint there and again: I, don't know what that language looks like, but that's why I'm throwing it at you guys I'm, taking off my attorney hat and putting on councilwoman hat so.

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um And council member Fowler that that's a really important point, and so the Fair Housing Act, is a really important uh law that we care about very much. And so we absolutely will take a look at this language and make sure that, not only in word but also in practice that the tenants have the resources they know, they need to understand what their rights are and that also that's reflected in the city's contracts and our relationships with the providers too. Okay,.

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Thank you and did.

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And then the other did you want.

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To add something.

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Well, I again, don't want to speak for tosa and could get clarifying information through an email, but in the administration's discussions with tosa, it's not like a resident would have an instance where they fail to meet sobriety commitments and just be put out on the street.

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Toast is committed to working with clients, finding resources for them to regain sobriety and Will from what I've been told, we'll have several opportunities to do so before anything is contemplated about a tenant needing to move on and if a tenant does need to move on, toso will coordinate those resources, so there's an appropriate place for them to go. Instead of just being, you know, evicted and you know saying good luck and I recognize that we may need to put more of that language in the contract.

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So there's a clear understanding of what's expected, but I just wanted to clarify what the administer registrations discussions with tosa have been and it recovery housing is the model that they are following, and that is a recognized type of housing by Hud. It's it's like a balance, a kind of combination of um a sober living and permanent Supportive Housing, and so it is walking a fine line with federal, fair housing laws. But it is a recognized type of housing by Hud and.

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I I appreciate that and again I this. If it were someone other than tosa and the another organization and we were entering into something that is a pretty brand new model, I'd be asking these same questions, no matter what the conversations that have been had elsewhere. I fully recognize the commitments and the conversations but I think that it's important when we're entering into something that is brand new, and is this pilot that we're looking at some of these things that that concern me and and again going back to contract language I?

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Certainly don't want to make this so inflexible that you know we're thwarting our own good cause, but I think there needs to if there are ways to put a little more teeth in it where there are concerns that I see and again, if somebody is like, oh Amy, don't worry about that. Fair housing already covers that, then fine, but but I.

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It's not and I don't see the the negotiations right, but so I appreciate that and again it's not that I don't have full faith in the conversations that have been had, but I think these are important questions that need to be asked.

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um But the the second one is uh subsection five six and to do my Roman numerals there, but the tennis lease requirements number one on the month-to-month basis. um This again is a concern for me and I. Don't know if this is something that we can go back and have some discussions with tosa about this. But um you know: I I, just keep looking at at the population that we're we're really attempting to Target and not wanting to create whether we mean to or not hurdles that people end up having to go through.

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That then sort of counteract the good work that we're trying to do and a month-to-month basis um scares me and I think in some ways kind of creates an instability for people where we're the idea is to create stability, and so that just throwing that out there for everyone that that is something that I'm hoping. Maybe I can get more answers about it or have some further discussions on that.

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I don't know if this would be appropriate to propose, but it may be most beneficial to potentially have a small group meeting to talk through some of these would that be appropriate with.

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Yeah because there could be other options between you know, longer leases something in that nature. Yeah that'd be appreciated, yeah and just uh Council Cliff. Your uh understanding we're about an hour behind, but I don't want this discussion to be short, because this is a very good discussion and it's required- and it's in its man not mandatory, but it's necessary, it's very necessary for us to have it, but just realize that we are.

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I think we're almost there great um I guess my question would be: are there any other comments or concerns about the existing term sheet? Where you would want us to bring back changes, it seems like we might have covered all of them and then the last section would be the bottom of page four I'm going to Echo Katie's presentation of this on the development agreement, which is if tosa was to default under how they were operating under the ground lease and not comply with the terms.

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Then we would have remedies that include kind of a suite or a menu of different things that we would evaluate at that time to see what might be appropriate as far as enforcing the city's. You know, conditions and also what what the right legal remedy is to obtain the outcome. The city is looking for at that time.

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So I know you're concerned about how do we actually enforce those and I think we're leaving ourselves as much opportunity here as we can so that that's all I have I'm happy to answer other questions. Wait.

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That's it! What what.

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Thank you very much. Kimberly Katie.

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And uh as you're probably all aware, we are behind schedule, we had a great robust discussion on the other side, Village and some other matters, so we're going to uh uh delay and uh item number seven, which is the alley vacation at approximately 925 South 1200 West for another council meeting or a written briefing, we'll we'll get more on that one, and also due to uh some constraints of other uh some briefers. We're going to move on to item number 10 and we'll get back to uh item eight in a few minutes.

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But first item number 10, which is the State Legislative briefing, and we have a Kate Bradshaw to present us on this briefing and his advice. Hey I saw yours.

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Thank you it's great to be with you. Today, I was asked to give a little bit of an update about uh where things stand from the lobbying team and external government Affairs perspective, so I'm going to run through a whole bunch of updates and then get to kind of a meaty one. Please feel free to ask any questions you want to ask the first is: uh we are working jointly with the staff here on spearheading a new build tracking system.

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We have been wanting to make sure that we could find a tool that was helpful to both the internal and external teams. Here at the city to track relevant legislation.

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We have been evolving from using a Google doc system that was a little bit of chaos to something that we think is going to be a more robust, more transparent, easier for your internal staff to be able to to provide analysis, fiscal analysis, policy, analysis and easier for the lobby team to be able to turn that around quickly and have it be a useful tool at the hill. So Cindy Lou has been helping guide that process and has been a great resource.

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We're just about to the point where we're going to be training um departments on how to use the server, how to use the tracking system and and then we'll move on to training the external team on how to use it. Most of you are aware uh we have made an effort to do Outreach to the legislators that represent Salt Lake City, um with efforts on on homelessness that the city has undertaken.

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We did two meeting options with legislators in June we've done two in uh in last month in September, some of you were able to join us part of our efforts to make sure that um the Salt Lake City legislators are aware of of all of the efforts that are taking place and how they reflect back into the things the state is considering in terms of homelessness.

Q

Just in general, we are planning to do um two options for legislators to have kind of a pre-session preview of the issues that the city would like to have on their radar before the legislative session begins, we'll likely look for options either in early December or in January. Just before the session starts, we'd invite any of you that want to attend and put an extra exclamation point on any issues with your with your representatives at the state capitol to join us.

Q

Next, we have been part of a Planning Group to build on the efforts of Salt Lake City's housing, Summit that we were the lead, organizing entity and hosting entity for a housing Summit in January this time the housing Summit is going to be November 2nd in Ogden at the Eccles Center Angela and I have been part of that Planning Group to talk about how we do kind of a full range of of housing, the full Continuum of Housing and the different policy and peace pieces that are in play that we hope the legislature will be aware of from attainable housing to homelessness and everything in between and to build on that Summit, where Salt Lake was kind of the lead organizer.

Q

uh At this point in this, in the interim process, um we've relied quite frankly, fairly heavily on your internal staff to look at a lot of the policy requests that have come through they've needed the technical expertise that uh that your staff can provide versus kind of the the generalist and relationship uh role that your external Lobby team plays. We do have a couple bills in process when dealing with speeding and red light cameras that Senator Jerry Stevenson has agreed to carry.

Q

We also have worked out a micro loan, open and public meeting issue with the media Coalition on language and Senator. Bramble has agreed today to be the sponsor on that bill.

Q

um Now to the meat of what is coming up, that has had a lot of your internal staff, working Fast and Furious in coordination with the league and what we think will be the major focus of the legislative session. Every session has its themes um this last session. You know the Great Salt Lake was a was a major theme and the drought. The 2023 session is shaping up to be a lot about land use, and so we anticipate that.

Q

That's where a lot of the lobbying efforts will have to focus there's a new process in place at the legislature, in combination with the governor's office, the unified Economic Opportunity commission ueoc is the acronym this functions kind of as a new super committee.

Q

Quite frankly, the governor, the speaker, the president, the majority of minority leaders serve on this committee, along with some of the governor's cabinet and the main commission meetings are open to the public, but the work groups and the subgroups are not, and a lot of really important policy work is happening in those groups.

Q

There is a some staff that is able to attend and has been named to those groups, particularly the those that are participating in housing issues, but there's a lot of these that are perhaps not as not as transparent and as easy to insert concerns into, as we would like.

Q

The UEC met last week and actually moved forward, 30 different, fairly meaty policy recommendations for the legislature to consider in the next two interim committee, hearings in October and November I'm not going to hit all 30 of those recommendations.

Q

But I wanted to highlight a couple that I know are on your uh your radar collectively and therefore on the radar of your staff and on the lobby team um in one of the work groups is water infrastructure and the environment, lots of discussions about water, reuse and using Lagoon systems to recharge the Great Salt Lake tinkering with the secondary metering programs because of the number of entities that have applied, but also the pressures of inflation and the different caps that have been a place that that haven't allowed the funding that they authorized for secondary metering to fully take place and that secondary metering is again aimed at being Smarter with our water and directing a lot of it at the at the Great Salt Lake.

Q

um Also, some legislation that may come on Regional water planning and funding for regional water plans that we very much have on our radar. The growth in transportation subcommittee.

Q

This one had a pretty significant policy recommendation that we wanted to place on your radar. You are all familiar with pid's public infrastructure districts. A new idea was floated in this committee and was moved forward as a recommendation to replace pids with dids, um so if you're keeping track of acronyms, this is a a developer-led infrastructure. District. This District wouldn't require a vote of a public body um it. It has some some nuances to it, but it does function largely like a PID wood.

Q

um So this is one that your your staff from the planning, the RDA, are already already thinking through some of the the concerns and and the issues that we want to make sure that the league is aware of. As that issue continues to ripen and perhaps becomes an actual bill during the legislative session.

Q

um Other other items that came out of recommendations in that policy area included reducing the required local match for active Transportation projects, so that more of those projects could move forward. That match requirement is apparently a struggle for some smaller cities and so tinkering with those active Transportation programs and what those matches would be, along with um funding for the Olin Walker housing program, to make sure that um there's emphasis placed around high capacity areas for either Transportation or around centers.

Q

With access to services, so we've got that on our radar as well, and then everyone always likes to talk about the Fifth Fifth. There's the four quarters, then there's the Fifth Fifth in transportation funding.

Q

um Perhaps some adjustments to how cities could share in that, along with their County counterparts and then a whole host of transportation funding ideas from perhaps allowing a transportation utility fee, a retail delivery fee along the lines of what Colorado has adopted with their 27 Cent delivery fee on things like Amazon or doordash deliveries, adjusting the gas tax rate cap, an acknowledgment of the study of zero fare Transit and what it would take to potentially move that forward.

Q

And then whether or not the road usage charge is still the vehicle that that everyone is aiming for and the best one to be considered.

Q

um The group that that has a absorbed most of the attention and was the most interesting of the presentations in the ueoc was the howdy housing affordability. Work group keep in mind that work group then has three sub work groups.

Q

There is a a work group to deal with rural housing issues, low-income issues and attainable housing issues.

Q

um The proposals that were recommended on the rural side and the low income side largely were able to to move through as recommendations um not to say that some of them don't maybe pose some some challenges from the perspective of Salt Lake City, but the attainable work. Group recommendations were probably the most interesting because the co-chair for that work.

Q

Group, Senator Lincoln Fillmore, um pointed out that there was not consensus of the recommendations and was therefore choosing not to move them forward at this time and there's a pretty wide gap of the ideas being forwarded by that work group between those that the property rights Coalition would like to see and those the negotiators for the league of cities and towns of which we have some input, would like to see and I phoned a friend and brought Angela price up as well, because some of those are are fairly controversial items.

Q

And if you wanted to ask questions, she's more of a policy expert and can deep dive into some of those. But they include things like whether or not there might be injunctive relief or attorneys fees for a city that fails to comply, comply with HP 462 or face the loss of their BNC Road funds. They want to play a little bit more Hardball with the city's General plan and with zoning. They want to include infrastructure standards, development standards for infrastructure, perhaps starting with residential roads and the width of roads and standardizing that Statewide.

Q

They want to continue to consider different incentives that municipalities are applying for commercial and residential properties.

Q

There's still some concern that municipalities might be more interested, incentivizing commercial properties rather than residential developments, so I'm going to just hit pause there, because that's kind of a lot, but this process, this ueoc process and the way these proposals are moving through as recommendations um from the governor, the speaker and the president gives them a lot of momentum behind them, and so that is why I say that I think this year's theme and where your external Lobby team will be spending a lot of time and resources will be on these items and and likely that your internal staff will be spending a lot of time.

Q

um Doing the Deep dive on these different uh policy ideas and how they align with or don't align with, or would create burdens for Salt Lake City, so that we can be prepared when the session starts, with good information and good data.

A

Thank you Kate any questions for Kate or we're gonna Angela You Gonna. Were you gonna touch base or on the attainable working group, stuff items I'm.

R

Happy to answer any questions that you guys may have, but I think Kate covered a pretty broad overview of of where we're at on those issues but happy to get Granny on any of the concepts. If you'd like me to.

A

I'm just going to touch base on the yeah, the final one on the other, the bottom of the list of the attainable group, the down payment assistant program expansion- is that does that? Have us a sponsor! Is that it's still just in uh the.

Q

Way they forward them. Is they forward them as kind of block motions, and they are forwarding them to specific interim committee, so they haven't yet kind of there's a few of them where they've identified sponsors, for instance, short-term rentals will be representative Musselman, um but not all of them have sponsors and they might get rolled into like we saw with HP 462 a really big Omnibus Bill, where the pieces are moving back and forth for most of the session.

R

And the down payment assistance program, that's a recommendation coming out of the commission on housing; affordability, so that likely I'm assuming Senator fillmore will be running that bill.

R

As he's the chair of of the commission on housing, affordability or the cha, the proposal for down payment assistance is for um to expand the police assistance program that we got funding for this year and it would be for teachers and firefighters, it'd, be a one-time appropriation I believe it was a million dollars recommended for firefighters out of the general fund, and then it was I want to say nine million dollars recommended for teachers out of the education fund.

A

B

Could catch my reward um on the short-term rentals? Can you talk a little bit about that and I guess what I'm wondering is um our our legislators concerned about short-term rentals, competing with affordable housing and and if um like, if we're gonna push forward and have more adus?

B

Aren't they concerned that those are just going to be used for airbnbs, or is that not a concern for legislators? The.

Q

First thing, I would probably really mention is that I know several of you are planning to attend the league of cities and towns conference that starts tomorrow. There is a league resolution on short-term rentals, so I encourage you to take a look at that and be ready for it tomorrow. um Short-Term rentals are complicated. I'll speak high level that I'm going to pitch it to Angela.

Q

There is I think some acknowledgment of the competition with affordable housing. There are some areas of compliance that, with that representative Musselman appears poised to explore. Forest is one of the issues that's been talked about.

Q

Is the large platforms are supposed to be collecting transient room tax for these properties, but if somebody has a one-off rental to a friend or uses ksl.com, some of the time and Airbnb some of the time, they're not capturing those those taxes, and so some acknowledgment that that's a problem and the Tax Commission is aware and how you might work through, that we have the issue of how you make sure they comply with local zoning.

Q

That's still a sticky problem, whether they're willing to go much further in that discussion of affordable housing, I, don't I, don't know they are but I'm going to send it one over.

R

Phone a friend um so there there is an acknowledgment that short-term rentals are having an impact on housing, stock and housing, affordability in certain parts of the state and Salt Lake, City, Salt, Lake, County um I- think our short-term rentals are about two percent or so of our housing stock in Grand County, it's you know upwards of 60 percent, so you can see, there's quite a disparity there.

R

Now that doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of issues here in Salt, Lake City with short-term rentals, but I think there's what we're what we heard during interim committee and what we're hearing from representative Musselman is there. Is that acknowledgment that in certain parts of the state, this is certainly an issue and how we address that as a Statewide issue is, is still being debated.

R

I think that, from our perspective and what we've been talking about, um you know from the city's point of view, is that we we aren't able to enforce these in the quickest and most efficient means possible right, so we aren't proactively enforcing. But if we have a complaint from a neighbor, we want our Code Enforcement Officers to be able to enforce short-term rentals in the quickest means possible, which means going to Airbnb or VRBO, which currently under state code they're not allowed to do so.

R

Our enforcement officers are having to spend a considerable amount of time building a case against the short-term rental which is costing the city a considerable amount of money. So we are certainly fighting to get What's called the not well language, which is our inability to be able to use VRBO Airbnb. You know Craigslist whatever for enforcement, so that's one of our first big pushes that we're asking for.

R

We also want to maintain our local land use control and be able to allow short-term rentals in certain parts of the state, because we are in certain parts of the city, because we certainly recognize that they're an asset right to our community, but we also want to make sure that they're allowed or Pro be that we're able to prohibit them in districts that we want to prohibit them in. So those are the things that we're working on right now.

R

We're working very closely with the league myself and our code enforcement officer Antonio participate in a subgroup that is focused on short-term rentals and then the league is our Advocate with representative Musselman working on what these negotiations will be. So this will likely be moving very quickly as well, and we certainly will keep you guys, posted and continue coming back to you, as as we refine the scope and figure out what our what our sandbox is and what our negotiations are. Okay,.

B

And this my second question might be more of a question for Katie and I. Don't know if you can answer it, but um where are we on the the shot clock with the Inland Port contract that date coming up? Thank.

N

You for that question the city, the RDA and the Inland Port Authority are required to execute a contract by the end of this year, December 31st at the staff and attorney level. The negotiations are just about complete, and so we anticipate that you all will be seeing that document on all of your agendas, both RDA Council and Inland Port board relatively soon. Okay,.

B

So are uh in the spirit of that, is there lots of talk about any changes to the Inland port, or do you think that legislators are anticipating that we're going to meet the deadline and that we will accomplish the goal of not having like perennial Inland Port changes.

Q

At this point um you know the Inland Port is dealing with. Obviously, a change in in board structure that you all are very aware of they're dealing with a change in executive director they're dealing with the first round of a legislative audit that was fairly critical of some of their actions. I think there could be legislation aimed at those audit findings about how the port operates in terms of Utah procurement, law and and those different types of structures.

Q

I am at this point, not anticipating any type of Inland Port legislation that would impact the Salt Lake City, Inland Port relationship, but I do think there could be legislation related to those audit findings. That's that's kind of the normal process when a when an entity has undergone a legislative audit. Is there some recommendations that they do certain things to correct their actions and any of those that are tied to a state statute recommendation might come in the form of a bill.

Q

There may be a number of things that they are asked to do and Implement policies that they can just do internally.

Q

So but it's in terms of the relationship with Salt, Lake City, all of the reports have been very positive about the work towards the contract and I I'm, aware of several of the outreaches to kind of reset some of those relationships at a staff level in terms of the land use. Authority Salt Lake has related to the Inland port and making sure that that relationship is better going forward.

Q

um New leadership from their executive director and some of the the shifts internally to the staff as well.

B

That's good to hear I've never felt these feelings going into the legislative session before so, but I will hopeful.

P

Disclosure I remind them every chance, I get that Salt. Lake City should have a vote that our labor and commitment has been substantial, and uh you know I wouldn't be opposed to asking them to do that.

A

Any further questions for Kate or Angela.

A

Thank you very much and I look forward to seeing you guys uh the rest of this week. All right appreciate it all right, Council we're going to move back to number eight resolution of fiscal year. 2023 sustainability holding account funds, the electrified transportation and.

A

Sophia is here and I. Think Sam was probably online. Oh Sam's, not here he's.

B

um He will be oh there's Sam and he's only going.

D

To be here for a few minutes, all.

A

D

Because he's he's heading.

A

Thank you Sam. It's all yours.

S

Thanks Mr chair uh brief intro. Three funding requests are before the council tonight in the context of the uh holding the remaining holding account items from the fiscal year, 23 sustainability budget.

S

The first item is two hundred and fourteen thousand dollars for installing publicly accessible electric vehicle Chargers on city property and public right-of-way.

S

This is a request for funds for installation of new Public Access electric vehicle charging stations in the city. uh The second item is one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for uh study and assessment evaluating opportunities to incentivize public adoption of electric vehicles.

S

This is again a study and assessment of City strategies for meeting carbon emission reduction goals outlined in a previous Council resolutions, uh as well as the most recent resolution 45 adopted in the year 2020 in their policy questions.

S

On that point, the third funding request is a hundred and fifty thousand dollars for the city, fleet and assessment uh of projected internal EV charging me uh internal to the city, infrastructure, uh Logistics and other requirements related to the ongoing electrification of the city corporations, internal Fleet and again those goals are articulated in resolution, 45 adopted by the council and mayor in uh in 2020..

S

For context, the Department's request for an internal charging study will clarify coordination about internal City charging stations and and those provided for ongoing public use. uh The council might wish to discuss and clarify the main point of contact or or the main point of decision within the city on the topic of electric vehicle charging.

S

So uh what's the decisive Authority within the city in terms of where to place these stations and how to plan them next, the department indicates the expectation that some were all of the two hundred and fourteen thousand dollars requested for installation of EV charging stations could be reimbursed through grants from government and private sources.

S

uh For example, the federal government has made funding available. uh Other partners like Rocky Mountain Power, have signaled the availability of reimbursement funds. So there's a policy question on this point. That's number five specifically next uh the question before the council regarding these funding requests Bears heavily on socionomic uh socioeconomic Equity, accessed.

S

Or in the future, to reduce greenhouse gas emitting Vehicles, where owners are not in a position to purchase an electric vehicle.

S

The question being will proposed the currently proposed studies or other studies in the future. Consider that question specifically and finally Federal and other funds have recently been made available, and we touched on this earlier for electric vehicle infrastructure and incentives. This is highlighted in the last policy question staff report.

S

The council might wish to consider implications of new funding availability uh on the topic of EV infrastructure and incentives. So uh in other words, are there funds other than City funds available to do this work, and does the council want to look into that more in the future and without Mr chair it has to turn it over to the department. Thank.

A

You thank you. Sam Sophia,.

T

um I'm happy to answer questions. Maybe that would be the best way to go uh or I guess. I could just say outright that um the the 214 000 that we requested for EB charging infrastructure is um proposed, match funds for any federal or other private grants that we would apply for. So it's my understanding that we do need to it's best practice to request those before we apply for those grants.

T

So I apologize if there is confusion about any of our language, um but that is that is what that money is requested for and then the the two studies one is our a study to look at meeting our Fleet electrification goals um and the second one is to look at exactly some of these. These other questions is where in the city um is there are there gaps with um charging infrastructure, other resources where, where is appropriate for the city to step in and how could we best work with other partners?

T

um I will say too that the the federal opportunities are incredible right now. It's really exciting, um both with the bipartisan infrastructure, bill or law, and then as and the inflation reduction act. Most of the funding for EB stations, infrastructure is coming from the bipartisan infrastructure law and um those funds are dedicated through State and and and other local government entities, and so I do not believe there would be another entity that would be able to use those funds to make use of them.

T

So that's why, in part, we are proposing to do these studies so that we can have a very good case going forward for how and whether we want to apply for those grants which are coming up end of this calendar year and beginning of next calendar year. So with that I'm happy to take questions and I really do appreciate all of your your thoughtful consideration on this.

T

P

The 214 um does that represent a one-to-one match in uh what were intended. What we're applying for then.

T

So most of the the grants, a lot of the guidance hasn't been formally released. Yet with the federal grants they often have a 20 match requirement and we've also seen so Rocky Mountain powers fluctuate. Let me just look at my notes here: um Rocky Mountain Powers has included about 60 to 75 percent of what Rocky Mount power will pay for. Daq also has matched match grants up out right now and that's 50 of the project cost. So it really varies and that's why we we applied for we requested this.

T

This funding to hopefully leverage as many of those opportunities as possible and.

P

Should we not get a grant that money just will stay there for the next opportunity.

T

I said, and we could have a conversation as to whether the council would like us to to um front the whole cost, but I I think it's very unlikely that we would be doing that.

B

Because my father.

C

Thank you, um so my understanding, the 150 for this study and assessment to incentivize public adoption of electric vehicles. That's kind of to what I'm hearing is, do this study so that we're prepared for when grants, federal grants come up and we can have like this is how we're going to do these things, and this is why we deserve the money in layman's terms. Ish.

C

Will this study include if on the staff report, something that was brought up and has been brought up? Interestingly, throughout um different times, that we look at EV stations?

C

Is um policy, question number three which includes um city funding for Ev incentives and whether we want to go whether what that looks like if, through an equitable lens, as we've talked in the past and I, think several council members on the site have talked about this I'm sure it's uh going on in the in a more National conversation of or we incentivize people that already have the privilege to buy a electric vehicle and and is?

C

Is that fair right? And so does this study incorporate, maybe the pros and cons and best practices and or what other cities are not doing? As we look at this from an equity standpoint, yes.

T

I think it's a really important question and something that the study will examine as well as it's a topic where we're thinking a lot about now. um I think there's a few thoughts that I have on that. One is that the main incentive that we have right now is the city installing these stations providing the electricity just for reference. Last fiscal year we spent 21 about 21 000 on that electricity.

T

So it's it's a very small amount of the the total electricity bill for the whole municipal government, but I think it's a really important policy question as to when it doesn't make sense for the city to do that anymore, and that was something that was um uh previewed when we, when we made the decision um to uh take away the fee back in 2018.. So that's Point number one um I think Point number two.

T

That is just so interesting right now with all of this new federal money coming out, not only for charging stations, but the inflation reduction act has a lot of tax credits available for residents and businesses, and one of the really exciting things is that they for the first time, have a tax credit for used. Electric vehicles, so it'll be four thousand dollars for used electric vehicles, so they're doing a lot to try to make it more accessible and affordable for hopefully as many people as possible to purchase these cars.

T

There's a lot of other details in there as well. There's income income gaps as well on those tax credits and and the total cost of the car can exceed I. Think it's like fifty five thousand dollars or whatnot. If it's a new vehicle point being electric vehicles are cleaner to operate and to own than their conventional fuel counterparts, and so there's a huge economic incentive for people once they actually own an EB.

T

It's it's much cheaper, not to mention the Clean Air benefits, and so now, with these new federal resources coming with the inflation reduction act, we're also going to be seeing more people able to afford EVS both new and used, as well as the tax credit will be available at the point of purchase. So from what everything I've been reading and learning about. That's going to dramatically expand the number of people that are able to afford and access those EVS um from the get-go.

T

And so the statistic that I, that that was mind-boggling but very exciting, is that by 2030 they're, estimating that 40 to 80 percent of new car purchases will be all electric. And so that's not very long, and and we really want to make sure that the city is taking a careful look at what should we do to ensure that that there is Equitable charging across the city that it's not just in places that have EBS now?

T

And so um so they don't miss out on that and um and then all the other questions about how and where and what and what not. So I hope that answers your question and that's really helpful. Thank you. Yeah.

B

um So I definitely support um releasing the funds. I want I know we need more charges around the city, um but two issues regarding compliance and chargers and I know: that's not what we're talking about today, but I'm going to bring it up anyway.

B

um But there are. There are not enough Chargers downtown. In addition to that, um there are a lot of electric car users that park at the same terminal every day all day and prevent anybody else from charging there.

B

So that's a problem and then the second one is that there are a lot of cars where the charging plug doesn't reach um the charging port and the car, and so those people try to park like back into a parking place, and then they get ticketed by compliance, because that's the only way they can charge their vehicle. So I don't know how we reconcile those issues with compliance, but in addition to needing more charging stations, I would like sustainability and compliance to work on those two things. Yes,.

T

B

T

And we have been talking with compliance and we'll have some more follow-up conversations about those items and we are looking at when we, when we put in new stations to or when we replace stations that need replacing to um get those chords to be longer and right now we do have a web page with some guidance for residents who are experiencing those problems. So I'll make sure to share that with Council.

B

Oh, we do okay, yeah, please thank you.

A

The other council members asked my question, so I don't have to ask them again any other further questions all right. Thank you very much. Sofia thank.

J

A

All right, thanks, Sam I, am moving on to item number nine annexation of approximately 2200 West between 2800 North and 3300 North, and we have well the Nick and Nick the nickname.

F

A

Can introduce big Norris.

F

I'm just going to turn the time over to Nick Norris, because this one came really quickly.

F

Let me put my notes, sorry here: I guess I can start. So this is a proposed annexation along 2200 West, that many of you are probably familiar with um a prior proposal to Annex the same land into North Salt Lake that was formerly called The Misty River annexation.

F

um This proposal would Annex the land into Salt, Lake City tonight, you're being asked under fed under our state law to um accept the application or not. If the application is accepted. All it means is, we start the process if it's denied it means there's no annexation, so pretty straightforward and it's roughly I think 160 Acres, 62 160. I said roughly yeah well, um thank you 162 Acres, precisely um but anyway. um So that's a it's a pretty significant piece of land.

F

That's mostly agricultural right now and we do have a map Taylor's or Scott they're working to pull it up just for a reference of where it's at councilman Pietro.

P

Nick Norris, this area is covered by our current North Point master plan. It.

F

P

Would bring more of that unincorporated County territory under our purview for that Master Plan.

F

It is it's also part of the city's annexation plan that was adopted in the late 70s.

A

In the annexation uh they still have to we, we Annex it. We go through the whole process, but this it does not uh deal with the rezoning there. The rezoning is afterwards no.

F

So the the zoning, if the council gets the point where they're ready to approve the annexation, the zoning is actually applied at the time that annexation is approved because all land in the city has to be zoned, and so we can't accept land into the city that doesn't have a Zone with it. So that's so that we have to do it, then it's actually outside of the normal zoning amendment process.

A

So you're saying that when we we're going to prove the annexation, we're approving it going from AG to M1, that's.

F

The proposal, so that will be analyzed and considered through the process through.

A

The process- yes not through this first vote,.

F

Not not tonight tonight is simply just whether or not you want us to proceed with that right, except that exactly.

A

We're just proceeding through right now it doesn't I just want to make that clarification that we're just proceeding now rezoning is not taking place correct. We.

F

Do have the applicant here if there's any questions for him, Jason heads in the audience. If there's any questions.

A

P

I want this real.

A

Bad Nick Nick, oh councilman, Warden.

B

Just what about the unincorporated air like sort of L shape, that's at the top and then down who who owns that? And what do we know anything about that so.

F

That is I I, don't know off top of my head about ownership, but um one thing that the county asked us to do with a previous annexation. That's working its way through the process is to consider eliminating the islands and peninsulas that are within the city, and so we are working on a city-sponsored annexation, because most of that land, at least south of here is city-owned land. So we can meet the threshold requirements if we don't own any land as a city or we don't mean the thresholds, we can't do the annexation on our own.

F

So um we we kind of have to wait for those Property Owners or have those Property Owners start that process.

B

Wait so are you saying the city can, or so we.

F

Can if we are, if we meet, if we're a significant property owner, okay,.

B

And um like on this L, where we're like surrounding the whole thing, basically so.

F

So we are not the property owner on the North. Half of that we are in between what was formally well commonly known as the skinnel development and the airport. Most of that is Salt Lake, City owned land and we're. That is what we're working on got it. um So that's the primary, the largest peninsula right now in the area and becomes almost an island with the other annexation, the Hunter Stables annexation. So we're trying to actually address all of that.

F

uh We're going to be hopefully sending out notice to those Property Owners to start meeting with them to figure out if they're, in support of that and if we meet those thresholds. And so we can start that process.

B

Okay and then that also is covered under the same North Point area plan correct from from 40 years ago, or wait yeah.

F

And the one that's going to the Planning Commission in a few weeks thanks. Okay, thank.

A

You all right, thanks, Nick, all.

F

A

Nick appreciate you our account tomorrow, as we're moving on to item number 11., a board appointment of the police, civilian review board and Jeremy Beckham Jeremy, yes, I'm here all right! Welcome to the city council and uh thank you for applying to be on the police civilian review board. That's a very uh big undertaking and I appreciate your desire to serve on the board. Tell us a little bit about your reasons for wanting to join the board.

L

Sure um so I've lived in the Poplar Grove neighborhood of Salt Lake for over 10 years, um I'm passionate about Civic engagement, good governance and just want to serve our community I think that law enforcement serves a necessary role in our society, but it's also important that law enforcement have legitimacy in that Authority and I think a necessary element of that is democratic accountability, and so this is something that I think is a really important thing.

L

This civilian review board I also believe in the importance of due process and think I can fairly and rationally apply city and state rules related to use of force or other issues that may arise with our police. So um you know I. Thank you for this opportunity. I honestly considered a privilege to be nominated and considered for this board and I I promise. I'll take my role in responsibility very seriously.

A

Thank you very much Jeremy any questions. Council staff or Council staff council members for Jeremy Council, employee.

M

Yeah I just wanted to uh mention I'm sorry, my camera is not on right now, but uh I just wanted to uh thank the applicant and uh you know a good. We need more voices, strong voices from the West Side to participate in boards and I appreciate this application, because I'm very excited about it about this. So thank you.

L

Oh I appreciate that. Thank you.

A

Yeah and I ask you that uh Jeremy. Thank you very much for wanting to serve on this board. It's a very uh uh important board. uh You have a lot of responsibilities on it and uh and I really uh welcome your uh desire to volunteer and and serve the city you'll be on tonight's consent agenda.

A

uh You need not to hang out until then, uh but uh you're more than welcome to join us. If you want to so, but thank you very much for your uh time and efforts.

L

A

Council members have been moving on to item number 12, the Human Rights Commission, and we have uh David Lisa I, always say Lita.

B

A

Exactly and David is from District Six welcome. Thank you thanks for uh joining us tonight, and uh and thank you for wanting to.

B

On your stamina, you know, you understand, you've all been.

A

Here to serve on the Human Rights Commission. Thank you.

B

So my name is David Lita and uh I am honored and privileged to be considered for the position representing District Six in the Human Rights Commission um you'll probably want to know why. Even considering this position of a couple of reasons, first I think all residents of any City or Community have a responsibility to give back to their community in whatever way they can, and this is one of the ways that I think I can give back to the community.

B

Secondly, I've been a resident of Salt Lake City, since 1973 almost 50 years, I've seen a lot of changes in this community and I. Think for the most part, they've been very positive, but I have a firm belief that for the city to continue that trend to make the city livable desirable attractive as it grows in the next several decades and Beyond, it needs to embrace diversity.

B

It needs to embrace fairness and Equity as a fundamental principle of its policies, both executive and legislative, because by doing so I think it makes the city attractive to a wide variety of talent and background, and that's going to make the city a better place. I think the Human Rights Commission performs an important function not exclusively, but an important function in helping the city both legislatively and in executive policy, achieve those goals and I think that's important.

B

What's my background? I'm a lawyer I've been practicing law for 46 years. My background is in dispute resolutions having to do with financial problems.

B

I'm a bankruptcy attorney and I have spent my career dealing with a very emotionally charged Financial situations, with the goal to try to find common ground between positions that are often very disparate and very emotional and I. Think I've been very successful at doing that and I hope that I can play a small role in bringing that experience to the Human Rights Commission and assisting them perform their duties.

B

A

Thank you, David questions for David.

A

Thanks for volunteering, I appreciate it very much and I appreciate uh your your passion for it and uh you're very thoughtful words again you'll be on tonight's consent agenda and you need not to stay up for the uh formal meeting.

B

Is that going to be at seven o'clock or eight o'clock it'll.

A

Be closer to probably eight o'clock, maybe yes may.

B

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A

Do uh but thank you very much for volunteering and thank you very much for your work.

B

My privilege and an honor.

A

Thank you all. Thank you. David.

A

We made some time council members, Ron item number 13 report, the chair and the vice chair. Councilmanuel, you have any updates, do not Mr chair. Thank you. All right, I do not have any updates. Get your flu shot go out. Enjoy the nice weather the leaves are changing.

A

Item number 14, announcements of the executive director.

B

It's interesting to know, and in November we have requested uh your availability to see if we could work around some scheduling problems for the November meetings. So what we have is Thursday November 10th and that would be RDA and work session and formal meeting so Thursday instead of Tuesday.

B

Yes, am I, saying the wrong month. Sorry, okay,.

D

um Thursday November 10th.

B

uh So Tuesday is the election night uh and then uh Tuesday November 22nd um is the week of Thanksgiving, unfortunately, but that will consist of a work session, a formal meeting and a board of canvassers meeting. That's the date by which the board of canvassers information will be ready. So we don't have the option of meeting at a time other than that and.

A

We will not be meeting on the 15th.

B

And the only thing, we're canvassing is the bond.

A

Okay, all right. That concludes our work session meeting well, Mr.

C

Chair are we entering into another closed session.

A

Are you guys good? Are you up for one sure all right? Let's do it.

M

Am I going to need a different link for that.

A

Okay, yeah we'll get we'll send you another link for that one. Thank you! Mr chair. Sorry! Yes,.

C

Is that a yes, yes,.

A

So I'll need the motion to enter closed session.

C

For purposes of Real, Property Disposition, yes, acquisition and advice of counsel is the motion I'm making to move into closed session for purposes of Real, Property Disposition and acquisition and advice of counsel.

B

A

I have a motion from councilmember Fowler, second from councilmember Wharton. Any discussion on this item see no discussions. Roll call, councilman Fowler, yes, Wharton.

B

Yes, well Morris.

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A

Yes, mono, yes and I'm a yes that is, you know, so we'll be moving into we're going to be moving to uh closed sessions, we're going to be uh changing the link in the hyperlink and we'll go into closed session, and then uh we'll we'll do dinner, and we will. But this also is the formal end of the work session meeting we'll be starting back up after the closed sessions in the formal meeting at 7 pm.

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