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Salt Lake City Planning Commission Meeting - May 25, 2022
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Okay,
thank
you
for
that
and
review
nick
and
I'm
sure
we'll
have
more
discussions
about
that.
But
I
appreciate
it.
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda
and
we
have.
I
have
a
couple
housekeeping
items
on
this,
so
we
do
not
have
minutes
for
may
11th.
We
only
have
minutes
for
april
27th
that
were
in
our
dropbox
for
review
consent.
Agenda
items
are
not
public
hearings.
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So
sorry
andra,
thank
you,
my
bad
all
right.
That
motion
passes
so,
okay
in
a
review
of
the
policies
and
procedures,
it
does
state
that,
if
you
abstain,
you
do
need
to
indicate
why,
obviously
for
minutes
it's
given
that
you
weren't
in
attendance
the
but
in
the
but
in
other
public
hearing
items,
if
you
abstain,
please
be
ready
to
give
a
very,
very
brief
reason
of
why
you're
abstaining
and
that
abstention
should
never
be
that
you
feel,
like
you
have
a
conflict
of
interest.
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The
conflicts
of
interest
should
be
stated
up
front
to
recuse
yourself,
and
then
you
would
leave
the
room.
So
when
I
re-read
the
policies
and
procedures,
I
realized,
I
hadn't
been
asking
you
to
do
that.
Okay,
thank
you
all.
Let's
move
on
to
the
next
consent
agenda
item,
which
is
case
number
pln,
pcm
2021-00024.
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It's
not
unusual
to
have
time
extensions.
We
have.
The
commission
has
not
held
public
hearings.
On
those
past
time,
extensions
they've
been
placed
on
the
consent
agenda
prior
to
us
using
consent
agendas.
They
were
just
placed
under
the
director's
report
and
we'd
give
a
quick
update
in
the
synopsis.
So
those
public
comments
that
we
received
were
referring
to
a
planned
development
approval
and
the
related
that
does
have
a
few
things
related
to
time
extensions.
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Dictates
that
you
hold
public
hearings
when
the
code
says
you
have
a
public
hearing
and
the
various
types
of
land
use
applications
plan
development
conditional
use
they
in
design
review.
In
this
case,
those
are
all
prescribed
as
things
that
you
have
public
hearings,
for
there
is
nothing
in
the
code
that
says
we
hold
a
public
hearing
for
a
a
time
extension.
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No
design
review
approval
shall
be
valid
for
a
period
longer
than
one
year
from
the
date
of
approval
unless
a
building
permit
is
issued
or
a
complete
or
complete
building
plans
and
a
building
permit
and
building
permit
applications
have
been
submitted
to
the
division
of
building
services
and
licensing
an
extension.
This
is
the
important
part.
An
extension
of
one
year
may
be
granted
by
the
entity
that
approved
the
application.
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Extension
requests
must
be
submitted
prior
to
the
expiration
of
the
design
review
approval.
So
the
this
this
language,
an
extension,
may
be
granted
by
the
entity
that
approved
the
application.
It
doesn't
give
you
any
sort
of
criteria
by
which
you
can
approve
or
deny
and
that's
an
oversight.
Some
of
our
code
sections
have
warts,
as
mr
baird,
who
is
in
attendance,
will
tell
you.
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He
drafted
utah
code,
section
10,
9a
306,
which
at
some
point
we're
going
to
come
to
bloody
fisticuffs
over,
indicates
that
if
we
do
not
specifically
prohibit
a
land
use
application,
we
must
approve
it.
So
you
don't
have
discretion
on
a
time
extension
for
design
review,
because
our
code
unfortunately
doesn't
say
if
these
criteria
are
met,
then
you
approve
the
design
the
the
time
extension.
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Second,
the
reason
why
we
don't
have
a
public
hearing
on
a
time
extension
is
because
there's
an
opportunity
to
appeal
the
substantive
approval,
and
in
this
case
the
persons
who
have
submitted
comments
requesting
a
public
hearing
on
this
have
appealed
your
prior
decision
on
the
design
review,
approval
that
went
to
our
appeals,
hearing
officer,
and
then
it
was
petitioned
for
review
to
the
third
district
court,
where
it
still
is
and
to
allow
comments.
Public
hearing
on
a
time.
Extension
is
sort
of
a
back
door
to
appealing
that
item
again.
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Okay,
thank
you
for
that
paul
all
right.
So
we
do
have
this
open
for
discussion
if
planners
want
or
commissioners
want
to
discuss
it
or
have
further
questions.
Otherwise,
I'm
open
for
emotion
and,
unfortunately,
there's
no
emotion
in
the
dropbox
so
you'll
have
to
there
is,
I
don't
recall
it
go
ahead,
then
I'll
make
a
motion.
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Okay,
the
project
is
eucalypt
corners.
It's
a
planned
development,
design,
review
and
preliminary
plot
at
approximately
10
12
west
200
south.
The
project
consists
of
16
single
family
attached
town
homes,
each
on
their
own
lot.
The
subject
property
is
located
in
the
tsa
urban
neighborhood
transition.
District
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
all
three
petitions.
With
the
conditions
listed
in
the
staff
report.
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Applicant
is
pascal
meyer,
who
is
representing
neighborworks
salt
lake
neighborworks
salt
lake
intends
to
sell
at
least
20
percent
of
the
units
to
those
whose
income
is
less
is
80
or
less
ami.
Each
unit
has
designated
parking.
The
two
bedroom
units
have
one
stall,
and
the
three
bedroom
units
have
two
stalls
for
24
stalls.
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The
first
request
for
plant
development
approval
is
for
lots
without
frontage
on
a
public
street
lots
13
through
16,
located
in
buildings,
3
and
4
have
frontage
along
the
alleyway
rather
than
1000,
west
or
200.
South
setback
modifications.
So
the
minimum
side
yard
setback
adjacent
to
an
rmf
35
zone
is
25
feet.
The
request
is
to
reduce
the
setback
of
building
one
with
frontage
on
1000
west
to
approximately
17
feet.
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The
applicant
is
also
asking
for
an
increase
in
the
front
yard
setback.
I
should
mention
that
this
project
was
originally
approved
in
2017,
but
they
did
not
obtain
building
permits
or
apply
for
a
final
plot
within
the
one-year
time
period.
So
it
came
back
and
since
then
the
codes
changed
a
little
bit
so
they've
had
to
make
modifications.
H
There's
slight
modifications
from
the
original
proposal,
but
one
of
them
is
asking
for
an
increase
in
the
front
yard
step
back
so
50
at
least
fifty
percent
of
the
street
facing
facades
must
be
within
five
feet
of
a
front
or
corner
property
line
to
accommodate
the
stairs
and
the
railings
leading
up
to
the
individual
units.
The
applicants
requested
a
front
yard
setback
of
approximately
seven
feet,
three
inches
on
the
two
larger
buildings
with
frontage
on
the
public
street
and
that
just
ensures
that
the
stairs
don't
encroach
into
the
right-of-way
landscaping.
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The
proposal
includes
a
five
foot
sidewalk
along
the
perimeter
of
the
subject:
property
buildings,
three
and
four
that
have
frontage
along
the
alley
are
set
back
from
the
property
line
from
about
25
feet
or
41
feet
from
the
rmf
properties
from
the
to
the
north,
but
the
they're
not
proposing
a
10-foot
landscape
buffer,
there's
the
sidewalk
and
then
also
a
sidewalk
leading
to
each
unit.
The
rest
of
the
yard
area
is
landscape,
though,
and
then
the
applicant's
also
asking
for
an
increase
in
the
allowable
open
space.
H
And
then
I'm
going
to
the
design
review
request,
the
applicant
is
requesting
to
reduce
the
amount
of
ground
floor
glass
and
that's
measured
between
three
and
eight
feet.
In
residential
for
residential
uses
in
the
tsa
zone,
the
percentage
is
45
and,
depending
on
the
building
facade
they're,
proposing
between
seven
and
forty
one
percent.
H
This
is
because
part
of
the
the
underground
parking
garage
is
above
grade.
It
still
meets
the
definition
of
a
basement,
but
it's
about
four
feet
above
grade,
and
so
they,
the
actual
uses
with
the
glass
the
residential
uses,
sit
above
that.
So
the
range
ranges
between
seven
and
forty
one
percent,
and
then
a
design
review
is
also
required,
because
the
project
did
not
obtain
125
tsa
points,
which
is
the
threshold
for
an
administrative
approval.
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And
based
on
the
information
and
the
findings
in
the
staff
report,
its
planning
staff's
opinion
that
the
request
generally
meets
the
applicable
plan,
development,
design,
review
and
preliminary
plat
standards
of
approval
and
recommends
that
the
planning
commission
approve
the
request
with
the
following
conditions.
The
applicant
needs
to
complete
a
subdivision
improvement
construction
agreement
with
engineering
division
for
public
improvements,
and
then
they
also
will
be
required
to
put
no
parking
signs
along
the
alleyway.
So.
A
Okay,
one
other
thing
I
read
in
the
policies
and
procedures
which
I
forgot
about
is
this
is
the
time
where
we
would
ask
questions
and
commissioners
should
not
be
making
statements
or
comments
at
this
time
until
after
public
hearings-
and
I
haven't
always
instigated
that-
or
you
know
made
you
guys-
do
that
so
just
I'll
start
being
better
about
that.
So
no
questions
for
amanda
and
I
we
have
the
applicant
pascal
meyer.
Yes,.
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The
owner
put
it
on
hold,
and
here
we
are
four
years
later,
when
construction
costs
are
much
less
ready
to
start
the
the
project
it
was
originally
designed
to
just
maximize
the
amount
of
residential
housing
units
we
could
get
on
this
slot,
these
three
story:
town
homes,
two
and
three
bedroom
mix-
and
that
is
really
what
drove
the
design
to
to
utilize
the
property.
The
best
we
could
to
provide
as
much
housing
as
possible.
That's
really
in
line
with
the
desire
and
and
mission
and
vision
of
the
owner
and
neighbor
works.
J
We've
worked
with
amanda
to
find
the
appropriate
way
to
get
disapproved
and
that,
through
the
development
agreement
and
design
review,
if
I
could
just
speak
architecturally
for
a
moment
about
what's
driving
the
design,
I
think
one
important
factor
of
this
design
was
maintaining
connectivity
or
providing
connectivity
to
the
neighborhood
and
we've
done
that
by
orienting
the
front
of
the
buildings
to
the
street,
with
the
porches
and
the
main
entrances
coming
off
right
off
of
the
public
sidewalk
and
we've
also
designed
the
building.
We
feel
in
a
way
that
is
residentially
scaled.
J
It's
a
unique,
a
unique
building,
some
different
materials,
but
I
think
we
we
really
thought
about
the
the
scale
of
the
neighborhood
and
the
homes
and
designed
to
that
and
also
provided.
I
think,
some
good
architectural
articulation
along
the
facade,
so
it
wasn't
didn't
seem
so
massive.
It
had
that
pedestrian
residential
scale
to
it.
J
J
So
that's
an
overview.
You
know
from
an
architectural
standpoint
of
what
drove
the
design.
There
were
a
few
neighbor
comments.
I
don't
know
if
it's
appropriate
to
just
speak
to
those
or
there
was
a
request
to
to
widen
the
alley
to
the
north
through
our
cemental
engineering
indicated
that
we
wouldn't
be
required
to
do
that.
J
K
I
think
thank
you
part
of
what
we
want
to
do
here.
Part
of
the
reason
I
love
my
job
is
when
we
do
this
type
of
development.
As
a
non-profit,
we
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
how
it
can
contribute
back
to
the
community
in
in
this
case,
we
really
want
this
development
to
be
part
of
the
neighbor
works
community
land
trust,
which
means
that
these
houses
that
we
put
in
here
will
be
significantly
more
affordable
but
also
permanently
affordable.
K
We
want
folks
that
are
having
a
hard
time
being
able
to
afford
a
home
in
this
market
to
be
able
to
afford
to
live
here
in
the
neighborworks
community,
land
trust
at
this
location-
and
this
is
a
great
opportunity
to
do
so.
There's
it's
very
rare
in
this
neighborhood
in
any
neighborhood
really
to
be
able
to
get
this
opportunity
where
essentially,
we
will
be
able
to
mortgage
the
improvements
on
top
of
the
land
for
just
that
cost.
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J
I'll
just
end
with
this,
after
listening
to
amanda,
it
does
seem
like
we're
asking
a
lot
here
and
but
it's
it's
all
in
the
desire
to
just
provide
as
much
housing
as
possible,
and
when
you
look
at
some
of
the
the
adjustments
that
we're
asking
for
the
considerations,
I
don't
think
it's
detrimental
to
the
community
or
to
the
property
and
we're.
Certainly,
if
you
look
at
our
drawings,
our
landscape
plan,
our
elevations
we're
doing
everything
from
a
design
design
standpoint
to
provide
the
best
product
possible
here
on
this
location.
So
thank
you.
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A
Okay,
you
guys
would
just
hang
tight,
we're
gonna
move
it
to
the
public
hearing
after
that,
if
anything
comes
up
during
the
public
hearing,
I
will
give
you
the
opportunity
to
address
them
if
you
wish
and
then
then
I'll
bring
it
back
to
the
commission
and
we'll
enter
into
our
discussion
phase,
but
we
may
have
additional
questions
for
you
at
that
time.
So
with
that,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
casey
and
nick.
Do
we
have
any
community
council
representative
here
that
you
know
of.
A
F
My
name
is
dan
bethel.
I
am
one
of
those
people
who's
been
connected
to
euclid
avenue
for
the
last
73
years.
I
came
home
from
the
hospital
there
february
73
years
ago.
I
still
own
my
grandparents
house
there.
I
have
five
properties
there
and
I'm
very
happy
to
see
this
development.
I
think
they've
done
a
great
job.
F
There's
there's
some
confusion
about
the
street
parking.
The
last
time
I
saw
their
their
proposal.
They
had
no
parking
along
both
10th
west
and
2nd
south,
because
the
height
of
the
building,
the
fire
department,
was
requiring
that
the
they'd
be
able
to
access
the
building
at
any
time.
So
it
looks
like
they've
removed
that
and
I'd
like
to
thank
whomever
did
that,
because
they're
gonna
need
that
streets
parking
and
the
I
I'd
also
like
to
support
the
housing
on
the
alley.
F
But
this
16-foot
alley
I'm
a
little
bit
worried
about
when
people
want
to
drive
in
and
there
are
other
people
driving
that
they
won't
be
able
to
pass
each
other.
That's
why,
before
I
suggested
adding
two
or
three
maybe
four
feet
to
the
alley,
so
it
were
20
feet
instead
of
and
and
it
looks
like,
there's
an
amply
wide
sidewalk
running
along
the
alley.
Maybe
if
that
were
level
with
the
paving
they
could
actually
drive
on
the
sidewalk.
I
don't
know,
but.
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J
Well,
I'll,
just
speaking
to
the
trash
dumpsters
can't
talk
enough
about
those
they're.
They
will
be
enclosed
on
that
north
side
and
gated,
but
the
trucks
gonna
have
to
pull
up
and
pull
them
out
and
empty
them
and
then
push
them
back
in.
So
that's
a
little
disruptive
to
that
alley.
When
that
happens,
and
then,
as
far
as
the
alley
width,
the
only
thing
I'd
mention
is
engineering
just
said:
the
16
foot
wide
public
alley
will
not
be
widened.
A
A
I'll
just
say
is
I
always
love
to
talk
about
alleys.
I
have
one
behind
my
house
that
I
access
via
my
garage,
it's
very
busy,
there's
a
church
behind
me
and
there's
also
the
post
office
parking
and
a
bunch
of
other
people
along
the
street,
and
it
is
definitely
not
wide
enough
for
two
people
to
cross,
but
we
seem
to
manage
I've
been
there
for
24
years
and
we
it's.
It
hasn't
been
an
issue
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
work
out.
A
A
E
A
D
A
L
B
E
E
Based
on
the
findings
listed
in
the
staff
report,
the
information
presented
and
the
input
received
during
the
public
hearing,
I
move
that
the
planning
commission
approved
the
plan
development
request,
pln
pcm
2021-0
for
the
project
located
at
approximately
10
12
west
200
south
subject
to
complying
with
the
conditions
listed
in
the
staff
report.
All.
L
A
C
E
C
A
B
E
E
A
A
A
C
A
L
L
L
L
So
this
is
the
site
configuration
that
the
applicant
is
proposing.
You
can
see
those
two
buildings
fronting
redwood
road
right
on
at
the
front
to
to
the
east,
and
then
the
rest
of
the
buildings
are
right
behind
it
and
then
in
the
center
is
a
kind
of
like
a
community
open
space
area,
the
site's
accessed
through
a
drive.
That's
on
the
south
side
of
the
development.
L
L
L
So
this
just
kind
of
gives
you
a
better
idea
what's
built
around
there.
So
again,
your
residential,
it's
all
existing
is
to
the
east.
The
subject
property
is
outlined
in
red,
so
there's
existing
commercial
just
across
the
street,
on
the
east
side
and
to
the
south.
It
does
have
a
mix
of
like
markets,
restaurants,
some
retail,
I
know,
there's
a
couple
of
banks
around
there.
L
Access
to
the
nine
trail
is
just
north
of
it.
It's
about
like
a
third
of
a
mile
north
of
it,
and
then
the
m1
district
has
a
bunch
of
different
uses.
You
can
see
on
this
map
that
there's
a
school
out
there
there's
a
sports
and
events
complex,
but
a
majority
of
it
is
more
manufacturing
type
uses
and
then
to
the
north
is
a
little
more
auto
related
type
uses.
L
So
again,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this.
It
does
meet
the
plan
development
standards,
it
does
generally
meet
zoning
standards
and
it
does
provide
an
enhanced
product
with
the
proposed
modification
to
the
site.
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
I
know
the
applicant
has
a
more
detailed
presentation
too.
A
A
M
Of
course
yep,
my
name
is
colton
chronister
representing
cw
urban
as
the
applicant,
it's
good
to
see
faces
in
person,
so
as
a
lot
of
this
was
covered
previously
by
staff,
but
just
wanted
to
go
over
a
little
bit
more
detail
if
possible.
So
the
proposed
quincy
project
is
89
for
rent
townhome
units,
I'm
sure.
If
we
want
to
talk
about
cw
urban,
we
can.
I
I'm
sure
that
a
lot
of
you
are
familiar
with
some
of
our
product.
M
We've
done
quite
a
few
things
around
the
city,
but
all
in-house
architecture,
general
contractor
development,
firm,
here's,
a
project
map,
just
sort
of
highlighting
where
we
have
done
projects
before
and
if
you
have
any
questions
on
this,
we
can
discuss
that,
but
just
kind
of
an
introduction.
Some
community
details,
89
for
rent
town
home
units,
as
liz
mentioned,
two
to
three
bedroom
units,
all
with
two
car
attached
garages.
M
We
have
a
program
central
amenity
space
and
we've
discussed
the
activation
of
the
nine
line
corridor.
With
that
being
one
of
the
staples
to
this
development,
the
the
proximity
there
and
we're
also
including
a
professional
landscape
design,
that's
essential
amenity,
that's
provided
for
the
residents,
so
here's
a
location,
just
3.7
acres,
1106,
south
redwood
road.
M
M
M
This
is
sort
of
a
snapshot
of
that
central
amenity
space
with
the
pickleball
courts,
a
central
playing
space
in
between
them
with
a
nature,
scape
feel
less
programmed,
but
allowing
for
creativity
and
central
seating
area
with
a
covered
seating
area
as
well.
That
will
have
barbecues
and
places
for
the
residents
to
gather
and
then,
as
you
can
see,
this
would
be
the
south
end
of
that
green
stretch,
showing
those
community
garden
boxes
with
the
nine-line
corridor
being,
as
close
as
it
is.
M
Between
all
three
walkability
bikeability
and
public
transit,
the
217
bus
route
stops
right
in
front
of
the
development
every
15
minutes.
You
don't
have
to
cross
the
street
to
get
to
it,
and
that
would
be
heading
south,
but
it
provides
great
access
to
public
transit
there
bike
ability,
like
I
mentioned,
providing
bike
storage.
M
All
these
units
will
have
their
own
garages
as
well,
so
residents
can
keep
their
stuff
secure
and
then,
as
liz
mentioned,
that
the
nine
line
corridor,
the
nine
line
trail
is
just
one
third
mile
to
the
north
and
then
walkability
we've
created
a.
We
believe
that
this
site
plan,
as
I
showed
with
separate
buildings
and
not
all
buildings
having
frontage
on
redwood
rather
than
a
large
apartment
structure,
it
provides
more
of
a
community,
feel,
provides
a
different
and
unique
type
of
housing.
M
That's
not
found
in
the
area
currently
and
it
does
add
a
walkability
element
where
there
are
connected
pathways
between
all
units
to
the
central
amenity
space
out
to
redwood
road
to
the
public
transit
and
it
we
believe
the
product
will
enhance
the
walkability
of
redwood
in
the
short
term
and
in
the
long
term,
as
redwood
grows
and
changes
so
moving
on
into
the
master
plan
integration.
This
development
sort
of
touches,
three
plans
plan,
salt
lake
in
general,
the
west
side
master
plan
and
the
nine
line
master
plan
from
the
plan
salt
lake
perspective.
M
M
It
resides
on
redwood,
which
has
been
identified
in
that
west
side
master
plan
as
a
key
location.
It
integrates
well
with
the
surrounding
uses
to
the
south.
There's
some
commercial
use,
retail
use
across
the
street,
restaurants,
other
retail
use
and
commercial
uses
as
well,
and
it
does
this
without
negatively
impacting
the
existing
residential
to
the
east
of
redwood
road
and
then.
M
Lastly,
the
nine
line
master
plan,
like
mentioned
a
couple
times,
it's
located
a
third
mile
from
the
nine
line
trail,
the
redwood
node,
is
something
called
out
in
that
nine
line
master
plan,
and
we
believe
that
with
this
proximity,
this
will
help
activate
that
redwood
road
node
of
the
nine
line
master
plan
and,
as
mentioned
again,
we
plan
on
providing
ample
bike
facilities
and
storage
so
kind
of.
Lastly,
community
integration.
M
One
more
time:
integrated,
walking
paths
to
activate
pedestrian
activity,
on-site
bike,
bicycle
storage,
facilities,
activation
of
the
nine-line
trail,
pedestrian,
friendly
building
orientation
on
redwood
and
within
the
community,
transit
access
on
bus
route,
217
and
then
activation
of
redwood
road
as
a
multimodal
corridor.
Now
and
in
the
future.
A
M
A
A
A
E
M
E
M
A
I
have
a
building
one
two
and
four,
but
I'm
I'm
interested
in
in
trying
to
see
how
that
engagement
is
along
that
street
frontage
for
those
two
buildings.
So
if
liz
can
work
and
see
if
we
we
have
that
available
after
the
public
comments,
that
would
be
great
any
other
questions
all
right.
If
you
want
to
hang
tight,
we'll
open
it
up
for
the
public
comment
period
and
then
we'll
bring
it
back
when
that
is
finished,
all
right,
I'm
going
to
officially
open
the
public
comment
period.
Is
there
anyone
here
from
the
community
council?
A
E
Hi,
I'm
laura
thomas,
and
I
am
a
resident
that
lives
like
just
east
toward
this
building.
This
property
would
be,
I
think
it
you're
right.
There
is
nothing
else
in
the
area
like
that.
I
think,
having
some
consideration
for
affordability
would
be
crucial
for
the
area,
since
a
lot
of
long-standing
families
are
being
displaced
right
now
from
that
area,
particularly
by
young
homeowners.
E
E
My
name
is
alec
myers,
I'm
a
resident
of
salt
lake
and
I'm
also
one
of
the
landowners
for
the
parcel
exit
directly
to
the
south.
We
are
in
favor
of
this
project.
We
have
been
working
very
closely
with
cw
urban
on
our
own
plans.
We
have
been
engaging
with
them
and
udot
to
great
length
to
consolidate
our
drive
access
to
kind
of
share
one
drive
rather
than
two.
I
feel
like
it
kind
of
helps
a
lot
with
the
redwood
road
situation.
E
Our
project
is
in
for
review.
We'll
probably
be
talking
to
you
guys
in
about
two
months.
We
are
planning
a
58
unit,
townhouse
project
that
will
be
for
sale.
We
believe
it's
very
complementary
kind
of
a
different
architectural
style,
similar
sizes
for
sale
versus
for
rent.
I
think
it
kind
of
adds
a
lot
and
kind
of
shows
that
this
project,
although
it's
kind
of
pioneering
in
a
lot
of
respects
kind
of,
takes
a
little
bit
of
guts
from
a
developer,
to
kind
of
jump
into
a
space
like
this.
E
That's
been
vacant
for
so
long.
The
nice
thing
about
it
is,
there
is
no
displacement
going
on
in
either
of
these
parcels.
They've
been
empty
lots
for
for
decades
and
as
salt
lake
kind
of
pushes
further
and
further
west.
This
is
a
very
high
quality
product
and
you
know
I've
walked
through
five
or
six
of
the
cw
urban
projects
in
the
last
couple
years
and
they
do
a
good
job.
E
I'm
tyler
mcarthur,
I'm
alex
business
partner,
I'm
also
one
of
the
partners
that
owns
the
property
right
to
the
south
of
c.w
urban's
parcel
I've
actually
been
working
out
on
the
job
site.
We
have
a
job
site,
trailer
I've
been
there
for
about
a
month.
I
just
want
to
get
a
feel
for
the
neighborhood
and
I'll
just
share
a
couple
of
anecdotes.
E
E
Improvements
currently
in
front
of
either
of
our
parcels,
so
I'm
excited
to
see
sidewalks
and
landscaping
go
into
the
park
strips
here.
I
think
it's
gonna
be
a
really
huge
improvement
for
that
entire
stretch-
people
I
just
yesterday-
I
I
see
people
they.
They
come
up
to
the
end
of
the
sidewalk
and
they
go
and
walk
on
redwood
road
along
the
parcels.
E
Right
now,
so
just
getting
these
projects
developed
is
going
to
be
really
good
for
the
safety
and
walkability
of
redwood
road
and
second,
I
had
a
business
owner
come
and
talk
to
me
he's
one
of
the
business
owners.
That's
immediately
south
of
us.
He
owns
a
shipping
and
logistics
company
and
he
was
really
excited
about
this
project.
He
couldn't
be
here
tonight,
but
he
just
was
talking
about
how
he's
excited
to
try
to
perhaps
hire
people
from
these
communities.
E
He
needs
more
employees
and
I
think
that
just
kind
of
underscores
the
fact
that
there's
tons
of
employment
to
the
west
of
here
and
housing
is
really
scarce
and
so
we're
bringing
housing
closer
to.
I
think
where
a
lot
of
these
people
are
going
to
be
working
with
the
new
airport
and
the
inland
port
and
all
the
other
industrial
manufacturing
things
going
on
there.
So
just
wanted
to
make
my
plug
of
support
for
these
two
projects.
A
M
M
With
market
conditions
and
prices
of
goods
right
now,
truly,
if
I
told
you
a
market
rate
rent,
I
the
number
wouldn't
be
accurate,
because
things
are
changing
and
the
market's
so
volatile
that
we
we
at
this
point,
don't
have
an
accurate
number
of
how
much
someone
would
pay
monthly
in
rent.
But
I
can
say
that
our
goal
and
our
target
resident
here
is
someone
who
is
looking
for
a
place
where
a
small
family
can
start
their
life
a
place.
M
A
L
C
Yeah,
so
I
I
think
it
it
probably
would
rely
on
the
applicant
providing
some
sort
of
statement
that
those
elevations
are
the
same,
regardless
of
whether
it's
building
one
two
three
or
four
there
were
four.
If
they
are,
then
the
planning
commission
can
discuss
whether
the
elevations
I'm
assuming
you're
talking
about
where
they
front
the
street
yeah.
A
M
So
you
you,
you
have
the
elevation
of
building
one
yes,
which
is
the
five
plex.
So
building
three
is-
and
I
have
it
on
this
presentation
here-
I'm
sorry
that
it
didn't
make
it
into
the
staff
report
all
we're
showing.
So
this
is
the
five
plex
with
the
two
end
units
and
then
the
three
in
between
and
the
six
plex.
It
shows
it's
the
same.
It's
just
an
additional
interior
unit,
so
that
facade
is
the
same
across
the
board.
It's
just
adding
one
interior
unit.
D
I
just
have
a
couple
comments.
One
would
be
make
sure
you
have
a
rendering
next
time
of
the
facade
that
the
pedestrian
is
engaging
with
that'll
make
this
conversation
go
a
lot
easier
and
then
the
second
is
I'd
like
to
ask
a
little
bit
more
about
the
material
choices,
because
the
design's
a
little
underwhelming
for
me,
I
think
the
way
that
the
materials
start
to
wrap
around
the
corner
and
then
just
stop.
D
I
understand
you're
trying
to
save
money
there,
but
I
think
wrapping
the
two
buildings
on
the
end
with
the
same
material
either
be
stucco
or
metal,
would
just
make
these
more
360
design
oriented,
and
I
think
that
it
just
detracts
from
you
know
the
human
scale
of
it
like
it's
just
a
facade
and
that's
it.
So
I
think
thinking
through
those
things
in
the
future
would
be
beneficial.
B
A
A
D
D
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E
A
E
O
B
A
B
A
I
A
O
As
awkward
as
possible,
okay,
hi
nice-
to
see
you
all
thanks
for
having
us
I'm
susan
landmark-
and
I
am
in
the
department
of
community
and
neighborhoods.
I
work
in
the
transportation
division
as
transportation,
planner
and
project
manager
and
before
you
say
what
transportation
and
displacement
rest
assured.
O
I
worked
for
the
rda
for
about
five
years
before
making
a
transition
to
the
transportation
division,
so
definitely
have
some
experience
with
real
estate
and
development
and
transportation
and
land
use
connection
projects
so
really
excited
to
be
here
and
to
be
part
of
this
project
for
sure
I'm
one
of
the
project
managers
for
this.
The
other
project
manager
is
angela
price
who's,
a
community
and
neighborhoods
policy
director
and
who
does
a
ton
of
work
on
this
project
and
all
kinds
of
policy
at
the
department
level
for
the
city.
O
P
P
And
I
are
part
of
the
team
of
the
core
team
that
has
been
working
on
this
project
for
the
past
six
months:
seven
months
yeah.
It
feels
like
it's
been
long
yeah
and
I'm
in
the
city
metropolitan
planning
department
at
the
university
of
utah
and
we've
had
a
few
of
our
classes
engaging
in
this
project,
and
so
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
in
a
bit.
O
Yeah
I'll
talk
about
the
whole
team
here
in
just
a
minute,
so
for
anyone
who's
not
too
familiar
with
this
project,
it's
its
new
newish
name
is
thriving
in
place.
It
started
out
as
the
gentrification
assessment
and
displacement
mitigation
plan,
which
is
a
total
mouthful,
so
it
is
now
thriving
in
place,
which
is
much
easier
to
understand.
O
I
think,
and
since
the
beginning
like,
since
we
drafted
the
request
for
proposal,
we've
had
a
goal
to
understand
gentrification
pressures
and
also
displacement
risks
in
the
city
for
salt
lake
and
to
develop
a
plan
of
action.
Like
you
know,
real
actions
and
policy
recommendations
that
can
come
out
of
this
that
the
city
and
partners
can
put
in
place
to
help
people
stay
here
if
they
choose
and
to
live
and
thrive
here,
even
as
the
city
grows
and
changes.
O
So
that's
our
goal
and
then
this
slide
shows
our
consultant
team,
the
city
we
got
to
hire
sorry.
This
feels
really
good.
We
got
to
hire
a
great
team
with
national
and
local
expertise
for
this
project
and
and
have
the
opportunity
to
work
closely
in
partnership
with
other
people
in
the
city
as
well
as
the
community.
O
O
And
then
we
have
uc
berkeley's
urban
displacement
project,
their
national
leader
in
analyzing
and
understanding
the
forces
that
drive
displacement
and
gentrification
udp's
director
is
tim,
thomas
he's,
leading
that
work
assisted
by
his
research
assistant
or
research,
lead
julia
greenberg
and
udp
urban
displacement
projects
has
worked
with
cities
around
the
country.
They
advise
national
policy
makers
on
anti-displacement
policies
and
practices
and
then
at
the
university
of
utah
city
and
metropolitan
planning
department.
O
The
project
is
broken
up
into
two
phases,
so
the
first
phase
is
a
listening
and
learning
phase
that
we're
just
coming
to
the
end
of
our
online
survey
closed
at
the
end
of
april,
and
we
are
just
starting
to
get
into
phase
two
to
craft,
select
collaborative
solutions
and
to
come
up
with
some
policy
recommendations
to
do
outreach
for
this
and
engagement.
For
this
effort.
We
really
focused
on
both
broad
and
targeted
methods,
so
we
do
have
a
project
website
and
a
full
city.
O
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
Workshops
focus
groups
et
cetera,
something
that,
if
you
haven't,
checked
out
before
evidence,
if
it
doesn't
come
to
your
attention
in
fall,
2021
dr
garcia
led
a
class
called
community
engagement
where
students
did
story
maps
for
each
neighborhood
council
where,
in
addition
to
tracking
demographics
people
also,
you
know,
students
also
engage
in
describing
people's
experiences
of
housing.
Gentrification
displacement
really
interesting
stuff
there
and
finally,
but
not
less
importantly,
we
have
several
community
working
group
meetings.
O
That's
a
good
segue
to
what
happens
next.
As
I
said,
the
survey
the
online
survey
closed
at
the
end
of
april,
so
alessandro
and
his
team
and
others
on
just
the
consultant
team
are
working
on
analyzing
those
responses,
both
city-wide
and
also
with
key
crosstabs,
for
how
certain
demographics
respond
in
certain
ways
to
the
survey
and
what
information
we
can
get
from
that
urban
displacement
project
is
refining
their
data
analysis
for
their
mapping
exercises
and
in
june,
we'll
be
transitioning
to
that
phase.
O
So
in
terms
of
the
of
planning,
commission
and
and
this
body,
and
what
you
all
can
see
as
well
as
the
city
council.
We
anticipate
returning,
if
possible,
to
get
on
the
agenda
closer
to
the
end
of
the
summer
to
have
a
briefing
and
discussion
on
some
of
the
policy
recommendations
that
we
anticipate
coming
out
of
the
plan
and
then
following
the
city's
standard
plan,
adoption
process,
including
a
45-day
public
comment
period
and
then
planning
commission
hearing
with
their
recommendation.
A
O
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
I
think,
probably
both
alessandro
and
I
can
have
something
to
say
on
that.
But
yes,
we
certainly
are
looking
at
best
practices,
both
barrett
and
driscoll,
and
urban
displacement
project
are
working
in
other
cities
around
the
country
and
then
certainly
through
the
universe.
University
of
utah's
work
have
been
looking
at
other
cities
as
well.
Do
you
want
to
speak
to
that
too?
Yeah.
P
We've
been
particularly
looking
at
other
blue
cities
in
red
states,
where
there
are
state
laws
that
preempt
things
like
rent
control
like
utah
or
inclusionary,
zoning,
which
is
also
preempted,
and
so
we're
yeah,
particularly
interested
in
sort
of
those
contexts
where
our
hands
are
relatively
tied.
But
manly.
A
B
I
guess
I
have
a
few
questions.
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
see
how
many
of
your
interviewers
have
vouchers
for
the
housing
choice,
voucher
program
that
aren't
able
to
use
them.
We
heard
a
homeless
single
mother,
come
to
the
planning
commission,
the
last
planning
commission
who
could
not
use
her
voucher.
B
You
know
this
is
obviously
very
heartbreaking
from
a
you
know.
Just
seeing
somebody
in
that
position,
it's
also
a
huge
waste
of
money,
because
this
is
federal
money.
We
don't
have
to
spend
a
dime
right
now
and
if
we
can't
use
them
so
my
understanding
is
part
of
the
problem.
Is
landlord
incentives
right
now
and
it's
through
the
I
don't
know
whether
you're
working
in
tandem
with
the
housing
authority
of
salt
lake,
which
administers
the
voucher
program
and
might
be
able
to
work
with
the
voucher.
B
I
I
hope
there
is
an
easy
fix
in
terms
of
landlord
incentives
or
some
change
to
get.
I
don't
think
we
can.
I
suspect
we
will
not
be
receptive
to
a
state
law
mandating
that
housing
choice
vouchers
be
accepted.
My
suspicion
is
that
that
will
not
be
well
received,
but
something
an
incentive
for
landlords
is
what
some
states
have
done,
or
some
cities
have
done.
B
My
other
question:
I'm
wondering
what
particular
cities
this
berkeley
consulting
firm,
has
advised
on
these
matters,
because,
if
they're,
california
cities
there
is
no
state
in
the
nation
that
is
losing
low
income
population
at
a
faster
rate
than
california.
So
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
we
are
not
talking
about
the
main
problem
here,
which
is
housing
supply
at
a
regional
level.
So
I
I
don't
know
I'm
just
I
would
I
see
berkeley
involved
in
housing.
I
just
don't
think
positive
things.
P
Do
you
want
to
say
anything
on
that
yeah?
So
first
question
survey
and
interviews
in
the
surveys,
we
did
not
ask
whether
people
have
h
cvs.
There
are
some
open-ended
questions
where
people
might
have
brought
it
up.
So
we
can
look
into
that
and
I
believe
that
there
might
be
someone
with
the
housing
choice
voucher
in
the
focus
groups
that
we
did
mostly
in
the
webs.
On
the
west
side,
the
problem
you're
describing
about
housing
choice
vouchers
is
a
nationwide
problem
that
there's
a
lot
of
racism.
P
P
P
We
are
also
aware
that
we're
proposing
a
plan
for
a
city
and
we
will
need
a
regional
solution
that
includes
the
entire
wasatch
front,
and
we
you
know
we
can't
really
go
beyond
the
scope
of
the
city
limits,
but
I
I
believe
that
you
know
we're
context
aware
the
california
housing
crisis
has
been
built
over
generations.
I
would
say-
and
I
think
we
are
a
little
earlier
than
that
in
utah-
and
it
was
upfront
so
hopefully
we
can
act
a
bit
more
proactively
than
what
california
has
done.
E
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
I
haven't
heard
much
about
what
the
city
is
currently
doing.
As
far
as
I
know,
the
city
has
programs,
because
I'm
in
one
of
them,
15
years
ago,
as
a
poor
college
student
at
the
university
of
utah,
I
was
able
to
get
a
killer
deal
from
the
city
in
a
house
that
I
bought
in
glendale,
which
I
still
own.
E
A
Well,
so
that's
not
like
their
purview.
No
so
they're
they're
writing
the
new
plan
for
the
next
phase,
but
I
think
what
is
appropriate.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
you,
but
maybe
looking
at
and
making
sure
you
account
for
a
plan
to
publicize
what
would
become
available
in
thriving
salt
lake.
Yes,
do
it
better
than
perhaps
levi's
experiencing
it
happening
now.
O
O
A
A
Recommend
for
outreach
into
specific
communities
that
need
that
information,
because
when
you
did
outreach
for
your
your
programs,
you
did
a
lot
of
in
person
and
try
to
help
people
that
wouldn't
respond
to
the
online
surveys.
That's
probably
very
much
the
same
scenario
in
some
communities
where
they're,
just
not
don't
have
access
to
it
very
well
or
not,
really
attempt
at
it
and
we
other
ways
in
which
to
reach
them.
A
P
And
if
I
may
add
a
couple
of
things,
so
we
did
do
an
in-depth
analysis
of
what
the
city
currently
has
in
place,
because
we
don't
want
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
We
want
to
build
on
what
is
there
and
from
some
of
the
work
we've
done
in
the
community.
We
learned
that
people
don't
know
about
many
things
that
are
available.
P
A
D
I
just
have
a
quick
comment
because
we
brought
up
california
and
I
used
to
do
work
in
california
and
one
of
the
things
I
do
think
that
helped
was
tying
incentives
for
developers
to
affordability.
One
of
the
things
they
did
was
you
get
a
whole
other
story
of
of
height.
If
you
added
a
certain
percentage
of
affordable
housing
to
your
project,
and
that
was
tied
to
the
development.
D
F
C
O
A
I
think
the
best
thing
is
to
provide
us
with
as
much
as
the
draft
as
you
can,
but
it
would
be
very
helpful
for
us
if
you
pull
out
the
parts
that
you're
keenly
interested
in
hearing
our
feedback
on
and
have
questions,
but
that
in
our
dropbox
we
could
review
as
much
as
a
draft
as
possible.
So
if
we
had
additional
questions,
we
would
bring
them
up
at
that
time,
but
those
are
really
good
opportunities
for
you
to
kind
of
vet.
A
What
what
you
know,
the
things
that
you
are
really
interested
in
hearing
back
from
and
if
then
we
have
no
comments
on
them.
You
know
you
did
good
on
those,
but
that
would
be
my
suggestion
as
you
approach
that
give
us
as
much
to
read
as
possible,
but
that
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
discuss
it,
l
in
detailed
length
when
you
come
back,
but
definitely
have
the
points
that
you're
looking
to
hear
from
us
on
highlight
those
in
the
in
the
report
part,
but
then
give
us
as
much
as
a
draft
as
possible.
A
O
A
A
N
N
Let's
see,
I
think
this
okay,
there
we
go
so
I
want
to
touch
base
on
two
separate
things,
but
noting
that
we're
focusing
on
the
amendment
part
but
growing
slc,
which
is
the
city's
five-year
housing
plan,
is
in
its
final
year.
It
was
adopted
in
2018
and
we're
now
in
2022,
so
we're
going
to
need
to
make
a
new
housing
plan
while
we're
in
the
last
year,
the
state
in
the
most
recent
legislative
session,
passed
hb
462,
which
required
housing
plans
to
make
certain
changes
to
come
into
compliance.
N
It's
just.
The
timing
was
a
little
bit
off
for
us
given
that
we're
in
the
last
year,
so
the
other
thing
they've
the
state
tied
funding
to
this
implementation
plan.
So
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
funding,
we
have
to
include
at
least
four
strategies
for
to
work
towards
in
our
plan
and
then
kind
of
benchmark
those
in
an
implementation
plan
and
in
order
to
be
considered,
for,
I
always
say
this
wrong
to
be
eligible
for
priority
consideration
for
funding.
N
So
it
doesn't
mean
that
we're
we
get
priority
consideration.
It
just
makes
us
eligible
to
be
considered
for
that.
We
have
to
include
at
least
six
strategies
in
our
plan
and
in
the
employment
implementation
side,
hb
462
outlines.
I
think
there
are
25
different
strategies
that
can
be
addressed
by
a
city,
and
so
we
just
have
to
pick
six
of
those
in
order
to
get
become
eligible
for
priority
consideration,
and
we
have
to
do
all
this
by
october
1st
of
this
year.
N
So
that's
why
we're
coming
here,
because
over
the
next
little
while
we
will
be
in
this
slide,
we'll
we'll
show
you
will
be
starting
the
public
engagement
process.
We
don't
have
a
full
implementation
plan
ready
yet
we're
still
working
out
some
of
the
kinks
and
I'll
go
into
some
of
the
details
a
little
bit
later,
but
that
once
it's
ready,
it
will
be
available
at
slc.gov
can
slash
housing
plan.
N
That's
where
our
current
housing
plan
exists.
So
if
you're
interested
you
can
read
growing
slc
there
june
6
is
when
we'll
launch
the
public
engagement
period,
which
will
run
for
the
45
days.
After
which
point
we
will
come
back
to
you
for
a
public
hearing
for
the
july
27th
meeting,
so
you
know
we
can
celebrate
pie
and
beer
day
and
then
come
and
have
a
moderate
income.
N
N
N
Some
of
them
are
done
by
different
divisions
or
departments
within
the
city,
or
you
know,
I
guess
technically.
The
rda
is
not
a
department
in
the
city
as
a
separate
entity,
but
it's
things
that
the
city
is
doing
to
address
its
goals.
So
you
know
we'll
be
working
with
city
council
to
kind
of
whittle
this
down
and
see
what
they
feel
that
they
want
to
pursue,
and
that
will
be
what's
in
the
implementation
plan
that
goes
to
the
public
and
then
so
that's
kind
of
the
the
end.
N
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
reiterate
that
this
is
something
that
we're
doing
to
come
into
compliance
with
state
code,
and
it
really
is
unfortunate
that
it
happened
in
the
last
year
of
our
plan,
because
we're
just
going
to
have
to
do
this
again
in
six
months
time.
So
anyway,
with
that
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
B
Yeah,
can
you
clarify
exactly
how
much
funding
is
attached
to
the
various
I
so
I
got
like
there?
I
watched
the
utah
league
of
cities
and
towns
video
and
there
was
like
a
silver
and
a
gold,
and
I
was
trying
to
understand
like
what
it
meant
to
be
eligible
for
priority
funding,
and
can
you
put
that
in
perspective
to
salt
lake
city's
budget.
N
N
B
I
guess
budget,
you
know
this
is
so
I
I
think
you
know
I'm
really
happy
to
see
hb462.
This
got
me
very
excited
because,
as
many
people
know,
california
tried
to
kind
of
force
cities
to
upzone
and
they
didn't
at
all,
because
there
was
no
compliance,
and
so
I
guess
my
hope
is
that
the
state
will
both
have
strong
carrots
and
strong
sticks
here,
and
so
anyway,
that's
what
I
I
would
love
to
hear
the
city.
The
state
defined
this
really
clearly
for
us.
N
Yeah
and
I
do
know
if
you
were
to
talk
to
john
larson,
the
transportation
director,
he
would
say
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
eligible
for
priority
funding
or
priority
consideration.
While
I
don't
know
a
dollar
amount
off
the
top
of
my
head,
it's
it's
a
significant
amount
for
the
transportation
team
right.
N
They
do
a
lot
of
projects
with
tiff
funding
and
ttif
funding,
and
that,
and
so,
if
we
were
to
not
have
that,
we
would
not
be
able
to
have
the
city
that
we
want
to
have
moving
forward,
because
we
would
be
hamstrung
by
funding
which
the
transportation
team
already
is.
You
know
they
they
already
don't
have
enough
funding
for
what
they
want
to
do
and
to
further
limit.
That
would
be
detrimental
to
the
city's
goal
of
creating
an
equitable
place
to
live.
So
we
would
love
to
see
you
know
more
tightly.
N
A
C
C
It's
basically
about
how
we
constitute
a
quorum
when
we
have
a
electronic
meeting
how
votes
are
taken
things
like
that,
we
also
looked
at
a
couple
of
other
elements
of
the
policies
and
procedures
that
we
wanted
to
get
get
in
here.
One
is
a
couple
years
ago
there
was
a
requirement
for
planning
commissions
to
have
certain
amount
of
training,
including
one
hour
on
there's
an
hour,
that's
required
under
state
law
that
all
new
commissioners
have
to
have
prior
to
being
able
to
participate.
C
We
do
that
during
our
orientation
with
commissioners,
but
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
got
that
in
the
policies
and
procedures,
one
of
the
other
significant
we
had
to
add
what
basically
is
considered
a
special
or
unusual
circumstance
and
for
conflict
of
interest
and
constituting
a
quorum.
So
we've
we've
added
that
we
also
probably
one
of
the
more
significant
things
that
impacts.
C
C
C
C
So
there
is
that
ability
if
a
person
is
put
into
that
position
who
wants
to
do
that,
could
do
that,
and
so
that's
that
that
was
one
of
the
changes
based
on
some
of
so
at
the
last
meeting.
The
planning
commission
did
ask
us
to
put
some
order
and
decorum
policies
in
there.
So
we've
added
those
based
on
tonight's
agenda.
C
We
also
want
to
add
something
that
isn't
in
the
current
draft
that
you
have
that
deals
with
the
consent
agenda
and
clarifies
that
if
something's
pulled
off
the
consent
agenda-
and
it
doesn't
require
a
public
hearing-
that
it
doesn't
need
a
public
hearing
and
our
the
way
they
read
now-
it's
kind
of
indicates
that
it
might,
but
that's
not
the
intent.
It
was
never
the
intent
of
that
when
we
set
it
up.
C
That's
why
we
put
minutes
on
the
consent
agenda
in
any
other
planning,
commission
business
that
isn't
related
to
a
land
use
decision
on
there.
So
what
we'd
like
to
add
is
some
consent
agenda
clarification,
I'm
going
to
read
it
just
so.
You
guys
have
it
items
that
require
planning
commission
approval,
but
do
not
require
a
public
hearing
such
as
approval
of
minutes
and
approvals
of
time.
Extensions
may
be
removed
from
the
consent
agenda
by
the
chair
for
the
purpose
of
discussion
prior
to
a
decision,
but
do
not
require
a
public
hearing.
A
C
A
If
a
specific
item
is
removed
and
meets
their
criteria,
then
it
can
be
opened
up
for
a
public
hearing
as
the
policies
and
procedures
read
now,
it
basically
says
every
consent.
Agenda
item
is
open
for
a
public.
So
I
just
let's
remove
that
conflict
of
those
two,
because
we
already
knew
we
had
a
conflict
with.
A
Yeah,
I
think
if
it
was
just
adding
that
that
would
be
fine
tonight,
but
I
it
it's
conflicting
with
what's
in
there
and
we
might
as
well
take
this
opportunity
to
clean
that
up
the
the
decorum
stuff
that
you
cleaned
up,
I
thought
was
was
really
fine.
So
I
appreciate
you
taking
a
look,
but
I
think
that
the
consented
the
consent
agent
items
are
just
messy.
C
A
Three
work
sessions,
yeah,
if
you
then
add
in
the
new
draft,
and
then
we
can
read
that
as
a
whole,
because
when
I
read
this
last
one
and
one
of
the
comments
I
made
to
michaela
was
there
were
two
different
sections
that
when
you
clarified
virtual
meetings
and
then
that
special
and
unusual
circumstance
then
conflicted
with
the
attendance
or
the
abstention
of
votes
that
they
you
know,
would
be
special.
If
we
had
to
keep
him
in
the
room,
if
we
didn't
have
a
quorum,
but
then
so
we
had
kind
of
conflicts
there.
C
C
A
C
A
I
just
wanted
to
see
all
of
it
so
that
there
weren't
like
conflicting
things
in
different
parts
that
because
you
looked
at
one
and
then
it
when
I
read
it,
I
was
like
we
don't
need
that
there,
then,
if
you
took
care
of
it
there,
that's
all,
and
then
we
can
vote
on
it
next
agenda.
I
don't
see
why
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
that.
A
E
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
C
Sure
that
we
have
the
staff
available
okay
to
do
it,
and
so
that's
that's
the
primary
reason
getting
back
to
the
abstention
thing.
I
think
another
really
pertinent
example
is:
if
somebody
thinks
that
they
may
have
had
ex
parte
communication
on
an
item,
they
can
abstain
from
participation
on
that
and
stay
in
the
room
right,
so
they
they
would
be
like
hey,
I
was
approached.
C
I
had
a
discussion,
I'm
going
to
abstain
from
any
discussion
on
this,
but
I
you
know
I'm
going
to
I'm
not
going
to
leave
the
room,
I'm
going
to
stay
because
there's
not
really
a
conflict
of
interest
there,
it's
a
different
type
of
situation,
so
that
could
be
a
city
that
could
be
in
another
example
where
somebody
may
may
decide
that
that
they
want
to
abstain
from
something-
and
it's
probably
a
legitimate
reason.
Didn't.
A
I
read,
though,
in
the
policies
and
procedures
that,
if
you
feel
like
you've,
had
an
exporte
discussion,
you
can
bring
it
up
and
the
other
commissioners
can
vote
whether
they
think
it
warrants
you
abstaining
or
can
you
just
say
like
I'm,
going
to
abstain
because
I
had
I
was
approached
by
this
or
can
you
then
say
hey?
I
was
approached.
What
do
you
all
think?
Do
you
get
to
choose.
C
But
no,
we
think
that's
bad,
even
if
the
commission
as
a
whole
thinks
it's
okay.
That
person
may
not
feel
that
way,
so
they
they
can
stay
in
the
room
they
can
be
at
the
table.
Maybe
they
don't
ask
any
questions,
they
don't
participate
in
the
discussion
and
then
when
it
comes
time
to
voting,
they
just
say
I
abstain
and
that.
G
And
I
would
strongly
encourage
you
not
to
be
an
active
participant
in
those
ex
parties
communications.
We
had
a
a
commissioner
several
years
ago
who
now
works
in
the
mayor's
office,
who
came
to
us
and
said
a
friend
of
mine
reached
out
on
facebook
and
told
me
hey.
I
understand
the
planning
commission's
hearing
this
thing
and
his
response
was.
I
can't
talk
to
you
about
this,
which.
G
A
B
C
C
C
We
actually
can
approve
those
at
a
different
hearing
outside
of
the
planning
commission,
which
we
usually
do.
But
if
the
next
available
meeting
is
a
planning
commission
meeting,
we'll
put
it
on
there,
that
might
be
one
of
those
types
of
things
that
we
can
throw
on
the
consent
agenda,
because
we
rarely
you
know
in
a
downtown
or
in
the
industrial
area.
We
don't
get
input
on
that.
So.
A
D
Well,
I
was
gonna
throw
this
out.
I
went
to
south
salt
lake's
training
and
they
talked
about
this
book
and
I
strongly
recommend
it
for
everybody,
because
it
actually
adds
a
lot
of
clarity
to
the
decisions
we
make.
There's
a
lot
of
case
studies.
You
guys
probably
are
familiar
with
it,
but
I
thought
it
was
a
pretty
interesting
talk
that
they
they
gave
so
anyway.