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Salt Lake City Planning Commission Meeting - May 26, 2021
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A
A
A
A
A
A
B
Yes,
there
are
a
couple
different
ways.
Obviously,
if
you
are
listening
to
this,
you
have
found
either
the
youtube
live
link
or
are
in
the
webex
itself
as
an
attendee,
and
when
we
get
to
the
public
hearing
portion
of
the
each
agenda
item
and
you
wish
to
speak.
B
Alternatively,
if
that
is
not
working,
you
can
use
the
planning
email
address,
which
is
planning,
dot,
comments
at
slcgov.com
and
send
us
an
email
there.
And
we
can
read
your
comments
into
the
record
and
if,
for
some
reason
you
have
any
other
issue,
you
can
use
that
email
to
contact
us
during
the
meeting
and
we
can
hopefully
address
your
issue.
A
B
From
may.
A
E
A
Oh
adrian's,
not
here
carolyn,
here,
yeah
adrianna
adrian,
are
here
now
hi.
Mr
adrian,
would
you
like
to
vote
for
the
minutes?
Yes,
thank
you
carolyn.
Yes,
john.
F
A
F
A
A
Okay,
all
right
that
motion
passes.
Moving
on,
we
have
the
report
of
the
chair
of
the
vice
chair
and
the
chair
is
not
here
and
I
have
nothing
to
report
the
report
of
the
director
molly.
B
Just
a
couple
of
things
on
tonight's
agenda:
there
was
one
item
that
has
been
postponed,
that
is,
the
stealth
towers
text
amendment.
We
got
a
lot
of
public
public
comments
on
that,
and
I'd
like
to
thank
everybody
for
for
sharing
their
thoughts
and
comments
on
on
that
item.
However,
the
commission
will
not
be
discussing
that
tonight.
B
So
if
that's
what
you've
tuned
in
to
to
hear
or
to
make
a
comment
on
it
is
postponed,
I
don't
have
a
date
to
when
it
will
when
it
might
be
discussed
at
the
planning
commission,
the
applicant
withdrew,
or
they
asked
to
postpone
conceivably
to
to
make
some
changes
to
their
proposal,
but
we're
kind
of
waiting
on
them
to
see
what
they
want
to
do.
B
Okay
and
then
the
the
other
announcement
I
have.
This
will
be
my
last
planning
commission
meeting
as
a
member
of
the
planning
staff
and
management
team.
B
I
am
staying
in
salt
lake
city,
but
I
am
moving
on
from
the
salt
lake
city
planning
division
I'll
be
teaching
more
at
the:
u
in
the
fall
and
potentially
starting
my
own
practice.
So
I
may
see
you
again
at
a
planning
commission
meeting,
but
in
a
different
capacity
we'll
see,
but
in
the
meantime,
I'm
here
this
evening.
This
is
my
will
be
my
last
meeting
and
I
have.
B
I
would
like
to
say
that
I've
loved
being
part
of
our
discussions
on
the
commission
and
hearing
from
all
of
you
and
your
ideas
for
the
future
development
and
planning
of
our
city.
I
think
what
you
do
is
really
important
service
to
our
community.
So
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
letting
me
be
a
part
of
those
conversations.
A
Well,
thank
you
ellie,
we're
very
sorry
to
see
you
go
but
glad
you're
still
staying
in
the
city
and
going
to
be
making
a
difference
that
way,
so
thanks,
paulie
yep.
Thank
you.
A
Okay!
Well,
we'll
make
this
meeting
really
exciting
for
your
last
time,
then
how's
that
I
think.
B
B
A
Is
riveting
well
with
that
we
will
move
on
to
the
policy
and
procedure
review
michaela.
You
are
up
for
that
one.
You
want
to
start.
C
I
don't
have
a
powerpoint
slide
for
you
all
a
riveting
powerpoint
slide,
but
I
have
been
revising
the
landmark
commission
and
the
planning
commission's
policies
of
procedures
because
they
haven't
been
updated
for
quite
some
time,
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
in
my
memo
after
posting
my
memo
would
like
the
commission
to
to.
C
Potentially
it
would
be
important
to
us
to
adopt
the
changes
this
evening
as
we
move
forward.
C
So
really
I
mean,
I
don't
know
how
you
exactly
want
me
to
do
this.
I
mean
I
can
go
ahead
and
just
walk
you
through
the
document
or
just
summarize
it,
but
I
mean
some
of
the
highlights.
Really.
Are
we
needed
to
address
commission
training
and
state
law,
since
the
legislature
put
that
requirement
on
our
planning
commissions?
C
Obviously
address
electronic
meetings?
I
know
it's
a
bit
late,
but
certainly
address
electronic
meetings
remove
incorrect
code
citations.
I
found
that
there
were
a
lot
of
incorrect
code
citations
that
resulted
in
subsequent
text
amendments
just
cleaning
up
language,
please
disregard
any
numbering
that
may
be
off
or
a
typo
that
may
be
off.
C
If
you
have
comments,
I'd
like
them
to
be
substantive,
renames
the
record
of
decision,
the
summary
of
actions,
because
that's
what
mirrors
our
code
language
and
addresses
the
planner's
record
of
decision
letter
that
letter
that
we
send
out
to
the
public,
the
public
actually
does
review
our
policies
and
procedures.
And
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
have
a
bit
of
a
heads
up.
That
the
planner
will
send
out
a
record
letter.
C
A
No,
I
don't.
I
read
them,
but
I
I
feel
like
if
the
commissioners
have
any
feedback
or
questions
now
would
be
appropriate.
It
is,
it
is
fairly
dry,
but
it
seemed
like
a
lot
of
cleanup,
which
is
which
is
good.
It
wasn't
nothing
stood
out
to
me,
but
if
anybody
else
has
something
to
pipe
in
now
would
be
the
time
I
have.
G
One
question:
amy:
that's
on
page
six.
C
G
Share,
well
I
don't
it's.
I
mean
it's
a
conceptual
question
and
it's
you
know
where
we
have
the
order
of
events,
order
of
business
and
we
have.
We
still
have
this
requirement
for
a
report
of
the
chair
and
vice
chair,
and
I
I
don't
know
in
all
the
time
I've
been
on
the
planning
commission
and
when
I
was
chair
I
didn't
really
have
anything
to
report
and
I
I
just
wonder
if
that's
really
needed.
That's
that's
all.
It
seems
like
a
perfunctory
thing,
we
do
every
meeting,
but
it
sounds
like
it
seems
to
me.
G
F
C
F
Quick,
I
think
I
I
understand
that
what
you're
saying
commissioner
bell.
F
The
public
meetings
act
doesn't
allow
us
to
discuss
a
topic
unless
it's
on
an
agenda.
So
I
think
it's
it's
it's
a
placeholder.
If
there
is
something
that
you
want
to
discuss.
Okay,
if
there's
there's
a,
if
there's
a
reason.
F
F
This
might
be
a
good
place
to
say,
hey,
you
know
some
things
that
we'd
like
to
discuss
coming
down
the
the
pipeline
or
whatever.
G
A
I
would
just
suggest
then
michaela
when
you
do
chair
and
vice
chair
trainings,
that
that
is
spelled
out
as
that
that's
a
placeholder
for
those
things
I
would
agree.
Otherwise,
that's
the
first.
I've
really
thought
of
it.
That
way,
so
you
might
want
to
include
that
in
your
future,
trainings.
A
I
just
have
one
question
to
these
policies
and
procedures
that
I
tied
into
the
bylaws
that
you
know
some
iteration
of
the
planning
commission
passed.
That's
where
I
assumed
some
of
this
came
from.
Like
the
report
of
the
director
and
the
report
of
the
chair,
I
assumed
those
are
just
tied
to
the
bylaws.
C
A
Okay,
well
with
that,
I
would
ask
if
the
commissioners
are
feeling
comfortable
with
voting
on
that,
I
would
be
looking
for
a
motion.
A
Okay,
I
have
a
motion
by
adrienne
in
a
second
by
carolyn.
Let's
mix
it
up,
sarah.
A
F
C
A
Okay,
we
will
move
on
now
to
our
second
presentation.
Well,
our
first
public
public
meeting
agenda
item
is
the
columbus
sorry,
let
me
find
it.
The
columbus
street
valley
vacation
north
of
victory,
road
pln
pcm.
C
Madam
chair,
while
he's
setting
up,
I
may
have
missed
this.
Did
you
read
the
statement.
A
I
did
not
because
brenda
did
that
last
meeting.
F
Checking
I'm
gonna
make
presentation.
F
All
right
are
you
seeing
this
seeing
the
presentation
screen.
We
are
okay,
so
this
is
an
alley
vacation.
I
pulled
up
them
upon
it.
It's
proposed
that
planet
early
to
be
vacated.
A
David,
can
I
have
you
pause
for
a
second?
Can
everybody
who's,
not
speaking,
mute
and
perhaps
stop
what
feedback's
happening
and
breaking
up
david's
presentation?
Okay,
go
ahead,
david.
F
Okay,
thank
you
amy.
So
this
is
a
planted
segment
of
alley
and
it's
north
of
victory.
Road
behind
the
houses
that
front
on
columbus
street,
it's
adjacent
to
five
properties,
it's
just
a
segment
of
valley
and
we
have
a
petition
to
vacate
this
segment
of
ali.
F
A
couple
things:
it's
a
planted,
but
not
developed
alley
segment
about
150
feet,
long
2750
square
feet.
In
total,
the
request
is
based
on
lack
of
use.
The
alley
has
never
been
developed
and
exists
on
paper
only
working
with
the
city
surveyor.
Through
this
petition
there
was
a
had
an
unusual
and
unclear
history.
It
was
not
created
through
a
subdivision
process,
as
alleys
typically
are.
F
F
So
that
said,
it's
it's
never
been
developed
as
an
alley,
but
it
does
exist
on
paper
and
the
proposal
is
to
vacate
that
and
incorporate
the
property
into
the
rear
yards
of
the
neighboring
homes.
You
see
an
aerial
view
there
of
approximate
location
of
the
alley
and
here's
some
ground
level.
Photographs,
it
exists
somewhere
in
this
realm
in
here.
F
It's
a
very
steep
slope,
coming
off
a
victory
road
about
a
30
degree,
slope,
probably
one
of
the
reasons
it's
never
been
developed
as
an
alley
is
that
physically,
it
would
have
made
no
sense
staff
analyzed
the
policy
considerations
for
an
alley
vacation
again
for
processing.
It
met
that
consideration
of
lack
of
use
in
1452.020
the
property
owners
that
have,
but
the
alley
have
all
signed.
The
petition
and
no
city
departments
have
objected
to
the
vacation
of
the
alley
based
on
future
plans
or
needs
again.
D
F
Staff
considerations
are,
was
the
alley
does
not
physically
exist
and
probably
couldn't
be
developed
based
on
the
topography
and
slope
did
appear
that
there
was
a
continuation
of
the
alley
going
north
of
these
properties
at
some
point
in
time,
but
that
was
previously
vacated,
although
it
was
unclear
as
to
when,
and
so
there
are
no
potential
future
uses
for
the
alley.
It's
a
short
remaining
segment.
Only
behind
these
particular
properties,
as
such
staff
is
recommending
that
the
planning
commission
forward
a
positive
recommendation
to
city
council
for
the
requested
alley.
A
Okay,
thanks
david,
do
commissioners
have
any
questions
of
staff
at
this.
A
He
is
here,
are
we
moving
him
up
to
the
presenter
list?
Sure.
A
All
right
so
nicholas
you
have
you'll,
have
10
minutes
to
give
a
presentation
feel
free
to
not
use
all
that
time.
You
don't
need
it
did.
You
have
a
presentation
you
wanted
to
share
with
us.
F
No
david
actually
gave
all
of
the
bullet
points
of
the
presentation
that
I
think
are
appropriate
for
the
city.
To
to
understand,
I
mean
the
bottom
line
is
that
this
is
the
rest
of
the
alley
was
already
previously
vacated,
and
this
this
is
in
the
backyard
of
three
three
residential
homes
on
a
particularly
steep
slope.
F
So
I
I
don't
anticipate
or
think
that
the
city
would
ever
need
or
use
this
for
an
alley
in
now
or
in
the
future,
and
and
we're
just
petitioning
to
have
that
vacated,
and
you
know
I
think
he
hit
all
the
the
correct
points,
not
sure.
If
I
I
have
anything
more
to
more
to
provide
other
than
to
urge
the
council
to
to
approve
this.
A
A
G
B
You,
okay,
then,
seeing
no,
no
other
attendees.
Let
me
just
quickly
check
the
emails.
Please.
The
email.
A
All
right
with
that,
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
bring
it
back.
Commissioners,
any
questions
for
the
applicant
or
staff
for
comments
talk
amongst
yourselves.
Otherwise,
I'm
open
for
emotion,.
F
A
F
F
A
All
right
that
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you.
A
B
E
Thanks
molly,
let's
see
here
where
is.
E
A
F
F
A
E
Okay,
so
you
can
see
that
this
is
a
request
for
a
conditional
use
for
a
bar
to
be
constructed
between
the
two
existing
buildings
that
comprise
the
riverton's
river
bend
sports
and
events
complex,
and
it's
located
at
approximately
1075
and
1085
south
winding
river
cove,
which
is
about
10,
40,
south
and
it's
west
of
redwood.
Road
here
is
the
location
of
the
project.
Can
you
see
my
cursor?
E
Yes,
so
here's
redwood
road-
this
is
1040
south.
This
is
actually
recently
been
constructed
and
completed.
This
used
to
not
go
through
to
redwood
road,
so
this
goes
directly
to
redwood
road.
At
this
point,
this
is
winding
river
road
court.
I'm
sorry-
and
these
are
the
two
parcels
where
the
riverbend
sports
complex
is
located
and
that
use
is
a
indoor
soccer
facility.
E
This
is
a
photograph
of
the
two
warehouse
type
structures
that
comprise
the
complex
at
this
point.
That
is
a
cul-de-sac.
So
I
took
this
picture
from
the
cul-de-sac
with
a
wide
angle,
so
you
could
get
the
whole
build
the
whole
two
buildings
in
there,
but
the
the
bar
is
the
bar
and
the
event
space,
not
event.
I'm
sorry
the
the
space
that
will
be
associated
with
the
river
bend
sports
complex
and
the
soccer
facility
will
be
built
between
these
two
structures.
Here.
E
E
We've
also
done
a
zoning
analysis
to
show
that
this
is
this
will
work
on
this
parcel
since
the
time
of
the
staff
report,
preparation
and
distribution,
I've
only
received
one
comment
from
the
public.
I
dropped
that
in
your
box
yesterday
I
received
it
yesterday,
so
you
should
have
that
for
review.
E
We
did
not
receive
anything
from
the
community
council,
although
this
applicant
met
with
the
community
council
and
they
didn't
have
any
comments
at
their
meeting.
Nor
did
they
provide
any
written
comments
at
this
point,
based
on
the
analysis
and
findings
listed
in
the
staff
report.
E
A
Lex,
I
just
I'm
wondering
what
is
making
this
a
conditional
use
like.
Why
is
this
being
triggered.
E
Well,
a
conditional
use
is
a
use
that
is
allowed.
It
has
the
potential
to
have
negative
impacts
and
when
we're
reviewing
these,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
those
negative
sort
of
negative
impacts
can
be
mitigated,
and
so
this
is
a
conditional
use
in
that
particular
zone
and
that's
why
it's
coming
before
you
tonight.
A
Okay
and
based
on
the
comment
that
we
received,
what
is
the
is
this
geared
toward
children?
Are
they
going
to
be
at
this
sports
complex?
A
Not
that
I
think
you
know
having
a
bar
near
where
children
are
is
a
bad
thing,
but
just
to
kind
of
address
that
comment.
E
Well,
I
would
look
at
it
like
any
other,
any
other
establishment
anywhere.
Yes,
there's
there's
there's
children
there
could
be
children
there.
I'm
sure
that
there's
children
programs
at
that
sports
complex
there
are
I'm
sure,
they're
adult
programs
too.
The
applicant
would
be
better
able
to
address
their.
A
Okay,
I'll
have
yeah
the
applicant
can
do
that.
Commissioners,
do
you
have
any
other
questions
for
staff
at
this
time.
I
F
E
I
I
don't
I,
I
think
that
the
presentation
that
lex
provided
illustrated
our
plan,
but
I
certainly
can
add
some
information
behind
that
is
everyone
hearing
me.
Okay,.
A
Yeah
kevin
you
have,
mr
roy,
you
have
10
minutes,
but
again
you
can
feel
free
not
to
use
all
that
time.
If
you
wish
go
ahead,
you're
ready
to
go.
I
Great,
so
my
client
has
had
an
exist,
this
existing
soccer
facility
for
about
eight
years
and
what
their
plan
is
is
to
make
it
a
more
viable
enterprise
for
their
business
and
so
they're
building
an
accessory
building,
which
is
permitted
under
code
under
the
current
zoning
between
the
two
facilities,
which
will
allow
the
people
who
participate
in
the
soccer
fields
to
have
a
place
to
congregate
and
enhance
the
overall
facility
so
that
they
will
be
have
more
events
and
in
as
part
of
making
that
plan
viable,
they've
entered
into
a
potential
lease
with
this
with
the
rest,
with
this
with
the
bar
establishment
that
will
be
operating
mainly
in
the
evenings,
not
during
the
day
when
the
soccer
facilities
are
in
in
work.
I
You
know
in
process
and
also
the
design
of
the
facility
separates
the
bar
from
the
accessory
use.
So
it's
upstairs
it's
in
its
own
confined
space.
There's
a
separate
entrance
to
the
bar.
It
will
be
operated
under
different
different
business
hours
during
different
times.
Then
this
in
the
soccer
facility
will
be
operating.
The
other
thing
that
it
does
is
it
allows
the
bar
establishment
club
corumba
to
have
better
parking
access.
It's
now
in
sugar
house.
I
It
has
a
real
issue
with
having
parking
and
it's
also
a
little
bit
away
from
its
main
clientele,
so
that
also
enhances
the
economic
viability
of
the
bar
facility.
Also,
so
it's
it's.
It
allows
the
facility
to
become
more
viable.
It's
it's
a
conditional,
so
the
accessory
building
is
a
permitted
use
under
zoning.
I
The
the
bar
is
a
conditional
use
and
lex
has
been
great
to
work
through
conditions
that
we're
in
a
position
to
satisfy
as
part
of
opening
the
bar
establishment
and
we're
happy
to
satisfy
those
conditions,
and
we
think
that
the
combined
soccer
facility
with
the
accessory
use
and
by
the
way
they
do
other
types
of
recreational
use
they
have
basketball,
tournaments
there
etc.
So
they'll
be
a
a
big
open
space
for
participants
in
those
tournaments
to
be
inside
on
each
sides
of
the
of
the
fields
as
part
of
this
construction
project.
I
So
that's
so
it's
kind
of
a
two-fold
motivation
to
improve
the
viability
of
their
existing
facility
and
also
to
allow
the
bar
to
relocate
to
a
place
where
it's
close
closer
to
its
clientele
with
better
parking
access
for
its
patrons.
So
that's
that's
our
presentation
but
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions
that
folks
may
have.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
mr
rowe.
Commissioners,
do
you
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant.
A
Okay,
seeing
that
we'll
move
on
to
the
public
hearing
portion,
there
are
no
attendees
in
the
list
wayne.
Are
there
any
emails
on
this
subject.
B
A
H
Yeah
so
yeah,
basically,
information,
listen
to
the
staff
reports
and
the
information
presented
and
extensive
input
from
the
public
hearing.
I
moved
the
commission
approved
the
request
on
the
conditional
use
and
bar
establishment
at
approximately
1075
and
1085
winding
river
co.
A
H
Exam
pcm
2020395,
with
the
conditions
listed
in
the
stafford
board.
A
A
D
A
H
A
B
F
A
Conclude
the
public
hearing
portion
of
our
meeting
and
we
will
now
move
into
a
working
session
and
lex,
is
up
for
this
one
as
well.
This
is
for
sugartown
the
snellgrove
ice
cream
factory
design,
review
work
session,
petition,
pln
pcm.
A
A
Do
we
want
to,
as
you
give
a
presentation,
have,
molly
and
or
wayne
try
to
reach
out
to
him?
He
might
might
think
we're
going
to
take
longer
than
we
have.
E
Yeah
and
I
spoke
with
him
earlier
this
week
and
he
is
very
well
well
aware
that
he's
on
he's
on
tonight.
So
if
you
can
give
me
just
a
moment,
I'm
gonna
try
to
phone
him.
A
Okay,
let's,
let's
do
a
stand
down
and
we'll
take
a
five
minute
break.
I
was.
A
Is
it
the
one
that
they're
not
going
to
print
anymore
because.
A
A
Okay,
let's
take
a
five
minute
break.
I
don't
want
to
have
you
give
a
presentation
without
him
here,
so
he
knows
what
you've
said:
yeah.
A
So,
let's
just
take
a
five
minute
break
and
we'll
be
back
at
well:
6
16.
A
F
F
A
A
A
Okay
looks
like
everyone's
back.
Okay.
Do
I
need
to
read
the
the
title
again,
or
can
we
just
go
from
here.
A
Okay,
so
we
will
start
with
a
briefing
by
lex
and
then
so
it
looks
like
for
the
applicant.
We
have
mark
isaac
and
alex
stoddard.
Did
I
get
that
right?
A
Okay,
all
right,
we'll
start
with
lex
and
then
we'll
turn
it
over
to
and
then
I'll
I'll
run
it
through
the
commission
and
then
we'll
hit
you
guys
all
right
lex.
If
you're
ready
to
go.
E
Thanks
amy,
I
don't
have
any
sort
of
powerpoint
presentation
for
you,
I'm
leaving
that
up
to
the
applicant,
because
this
is
really
a
conversation
between
the
planning,
commission
and
them.
But
just
very
briefly,
you,
as
a
planning
commission
saw
back
in,
must
have
been
february
of
february,
a
request
to
rezone
the
subject:
property
at
850,
east
and
870
east
2100
south
to
the
sugar
house
business
district
zone,
and
this
this
project
here
before
you
tonight
is
the
follow-up
to
that.
E
It's
a
mixed-use
development
that
is
composed
of
commercial
and
residential
and
I'm
commercial
residential.
E
You
have
it
in
your
packet,
the
vicinity
map,
you
know
the
location,
I've
provided
some
just
a
few
renderings
of
what's
proposed,
as
well
as
what
the
applicant
has
submitted
in
terms
of
plans
and
having
had
the
opportunity
of
staff
to
review
those
plans.
E
We
had
a
few
issues
that
we
wanted
to
bring
to
you
to
get
some
feedback,
and
the
first
issue
is
is
this
is
just
a
is
a
very
large
scale.
Project
molly
molly
very
cleverly
put
this
into
perspective
and
she
said
that
if
you
took
this
project
and
stood
it
up
on
end,
this
project
would
exceed
in
height
any
building
located
within
the
downtown
salt
lake
city
area.
So
just
to
give
you
that
little
bit
of
perspective
of
how
large
of
a
project
this
is,
I
thought
that
was
pretty
pretty
clever.
E
E
Secondly,
we
just
feel
like
the
there's,
some
large
building
masses
that
need
to
be
divided
into
heights
and
sizes
that
relate
to
human
scale,
and
I
provided
a
discussion
about
you
know
kind
of
what
we're
seeing
at
this
and
then,
lastly,
we're
looking
for
some
more
information
regarding
building
facade
details
and
the
pedestrian
experience,
and
these
folks
are
anxious
to
talk
to
you
about
their
project
and
I'm
really
gonna
turn
that
over
to
them
and
take
some
notes
here,
while
you
guys
are
talking.
A
Thank
you,
commissioners.
Any
any
initial
questions
for
lex.
A
Okay,
we
can
turn
this
over
to
mark
isaac
and
alex
stoddard.
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you,
including
staff,
for
bringing
this
to
us
as
a
work
session.
I've
said
this
before.
I
don't
think
we
use
work
sessions
enough,
but
for
these
big,
whether
it's
a
big
building
like
this
or
a
big
geographic
space
like
at
the
fleet
block
or
something.
A
I
think
it's
really
important-
that
we
do
these
and
I
appreciate
mark
and
alex
coming
tonight,
because
I
also
find
that
when
you
are
ready
to
bring
this
for
a
decision,
they
go
through
so
much
smoother.
So
it's
it's
an
important
one,
so
I
think
you'll
get
everything
you
need
tonight,
but
if
you
want
to
pass
this
on
to
mark
and
alex
let's,
let's
get
into
it.
J
J
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
kind
of
walk
you
through
exhibits
and
we'll
be
looking
for
your
advice
and
feedback.
I've
got
okay.
Here
we
go
here,
we
go
there,
we
go.
Here's
the
block,
the
interesting
thing
about
the
old
snail
group.
J
Okay,
so
so
so
we
can
only
see
it
on
his
computer,
but
we
can't
see
you
guys
on
the
screen.
That's
okay,
I'm
just
kind
of
working
through
the
semantics.
First
of
all,
thank
you
all.
My
name
is
mark
isaac,
I'm
a
representative
for
the
owners
group,
I'm
a
planning
consultant,
I'm
a
land
use
planner
by
education
and
trade
and
I've
been
hired
to
do
the
entitlement
and
planning
and
the
approval
process
for
this
project.
J
The
snell
grove
dryers
ice
cream
plant
and
the
ice
cream
store
kind
of
been
an
institution
in
sugar
house
for
a
very,
very,
very
long
time
when
snellgrove
plant
was
sold
to
dryers
dryers,
eventually
sold
it
to
nestle
so
on
and
so
forth.
The
ice
cream
plant
became
obsolete
and
that's
the
reason
for
the
ice
cream
plant
being
closed.
J
They
had
a
lot
of
difficulty
with
18
wheeled
trucks,
and
you
know
the
circulation
of
truck
routes,
taking
the
ice
cream
out
of
there
and
bringing
supplies
into
there
and
chose
to
establish
a
more
advanced
ice
cream
facility
out
west
of
the
airport,
which
is
where
they
went
and
where
they
relocated
into
the
big
industrial.
Complex
for
salt
lake
city,
the
first
order
of
business
is
the
northwest
corner
of
the
block.
Just
for
bearing
is
albion
financial.
J
Just
trying
to
give
you
all
bearing
directly
across
the
street
from
us
on
the
north
is
the
campfire
lounge
a
couple
real
kind
of
boutique
smoke
shop,
tattoo
parlor
and
some
of
the
the
remaining
cool
factor
and
character
of
sugar
house
you'll
see
the
empty
old
car
wash
lot
on
our
north
and
then
sugar
house
barbecue
on
the
very
northeast
corner
remains
so
where
the
building
comes
across
as
tremendously
large
tremendously
long,
it's
the
south
block
and
you
can
see
the
uniqueness
of
the
configuration
of
the
parcel
where
we
have
the
frontage
from
800
east
to
900
east
along
commonwealth.
J
So,
just
for
orientation,
that's
sort
of
the
baseline
of
how
we
situate
and
I-
and
I
hope
it
kind
of-
gives
everybody
a
pretty
solid,
lay
of
the
land
directly
east
of
our
south
corner
and
flange.
If
you
will
or
commonwealth
intersection
of
ninth
east
is
the
driveway
location
into
the
smith's
grocery
store
and
then
south
of
it
is
estee's
pizza
and
the
wing
shop
and
there's
a
little
bar
and
stuff
in
that
corner
of
that
building
directly
south
on
our
southeast
flank,
okay
up
to
the
next
screen
for
us.
J
So
this
rendering
and
I'm
going
to
shut
up
in
just
a
second
here
amy
and
let
we
we
desperately
want
to
hear
from
the
planning
commission
and
and
get
as
much
design
intel
as
we
can.
J
This
is
the
north
face
staring
towards
the
the
campfire
lounge
in
that
vacant
parcel
and
is
the
shorter
part
of
our
block.
J
This
particular
side
of
the
building
is,
you
know
in
scale
or
scope
is
no
different
than
sugar
month
or
some
of
the
stuff
I've
done
up
on
parka
avenue
and
other
parts
of
sugar
house,
and
and
subsequently
we
will
circulate
main
entrance
off
into
the
parking
structure
in
the
middle
off
of
the
the
road
and
then
on
the
left
and
right
side
on
that
upper
elevation.
J
You'll
notice
how
there's
no
residential
units
on
either
flank
those
are
rooftop
decks,
they're
on
the
north
east
and
the
northwest
corner
of
our
building,
and
the
reason
was,
is
to
to
put
amenities
and
spaces
that
were
more
in
keeping
with
the
activated
streetscape
and
the
busy
corridor
that
is
2100
south
and
remove
them.
As
far
from
as
we
could
the
adjacent
residents
on
the
south
side
of
commonwealth.
J
When
I
did
the
zeller
project
in
south
salt
lake
on
the
streetcar
line,
we
discovered
that
rooftop
decks
created
tremendous
amount
of
noise
for
adjacent
neighbors
and
subsequently
that's
the
idea
behind
the
orientation
here
and
then
I'll
stop
there
for
a
second
just
to
catch
my
breath
and
and
kind
of.
Let
you
go
for
a
minute
hearing.
A
Okay,
so
you
want
to
break
this
up
and
talk
about
the
well.
I
guess
the
planning
commission
is
just
going
to
like
jump
into
it,
I'm
sure,
because
we
had
all
the
vendors
in
our
report.
We
can
start
with
that
who
who
would
like
to
begin
the
discussion.
H
I
guess
where
I
was
too
I
mean
on
the
rezone
was
really
the
impact
on
commonwealth.
I
mean
that
was
my
kind
of
discussion
point
that
I
brought
up
and
probably
what
I'm
more
interested
in
kind
of
talking
through.
So
when
we
get
to
that
point,
I'm
happy
to
kind
of
least
see
what
I'm
worse
and
seeing
what's
kind
of
there,
just
because
there's
a
residential
neighborhood.
That's
you
know
that
that
that
kind
of
breaks
too
it's
not
a
very
wide
street.
J
Okay,
we're
very
confident
matt
that
we're
following
your
train
of
thought.
We
heard
that
dialogue
in
the
rezone
and
that
early
identifier,
both
molly
and
lex,
and
the
planning
staff
had
tremendous
concern
on
that
street.
I'm
very
enthusiastic
about
what
we've
done
to
change
things
and
and
we'll
share
that
with
you
shortly.
What
I
think
should
happen
or
the
best
way
we
broach
the
work
session
amy
and
please
correct
me
or
redirect.
However,
you
see
fit,
but
what
I
thought
I
would
do
is
just
do
it
on
a
precise
versailles
basis.
First,.
J
A
Can
you
point
on
this
slide
where
the
entrance
for
the
parking
in
the
garage
will
be
for
the
proposed
liquor
store.
J
E
J
Okay,
go
to
the
we.
The
plans
are
in
here
as
well,
so
they're
they're
attached
further
down
there
around.
F
A
I
don't
know
what
their
rules
or
laws
or
policies
are,
but
I
suspect
it
won't
be.
You
know,
hey,
look
and
see
what's
going
on
here,
so
I'm
concerned
about
how
that's
gonna
play
out
and
then,
given
that
you
do
have
a
lack
of
actual
retail
beyond
that,
I
mean
liquor.
Store,
is
going
to
give
you
plenty
of
of
traffic.
It
would
kind
of
be
nice,
then,
to
also
have
some
other
retail
that
that
can
benefit
from
that.
So
I'm
that's
one
of
my
concerns
along
21st
south
here.
J
And,
and-
and
we
picked
up
on
that
earlier
amy
and
to
to
answer
that
we
are
looking
at
ways
to
engage
the
east
side
of
the
frontage
along
2100
south,
where
we
have
more
of
our
amenity
center
to
more
of
a
retail
player
component.
The
difficulty
we
have
is
the
sugar
house
barbecue
directly.
East
of
us,
is
the
private
parking
field.
J
We
don't
have
adjacency
of
parking
to
any
of
those
storefronts
and,
as
you
know,
I
have
done
a
lot
of
projects
in
sugar
house
and
retailers
come
and
they
succeed
and
they
fail.
If
there's
no
adjacent
parking
and
these
vacant
retail
places
do
less
to
engage
the
streetscape
than
some
of
these
other
services.
J
J
You
do
have
access
as
the
public
to
come
into
the
parking
structure
and
have
public
stalls
where
alex's
arrows
are
and
then
you'll
see.
Right,
where
his
hand
is
on
the
site
plan,
is
a
gate
and
then
it
becomes
secured
parking
for
the
remainder
of
that
floor
and
then
the
lower
floor
for
the
residents.
So
we
do
have
visitor
parking
there.
J
A
Yeah,
because
I'm
not
sure
why
you
can't
move
the
leasing
office
and
the
gym
to
that
eastern
side
and
and
give
some
pedestrian
a
retail
kind
of
more
in
the
core
of
the
building,
which
then
is
easy
to
walk
to.
I
will
also
say
that,
like
if
you
know
an
art
installation
is
just
not
going
to
be
a
pedestrian
activation
for
me.
A
Others
might
disagree
with
that,
but
that's
one
thing
I
hope
to
not
see
as
your
de
facto
like
hey
we're
going
to
engage
the
public
by
putting
you
know
some
art,
because
I
don't
know
last
time
it
was
on
stringham,
there's
still
no
art
in
that
particular
spot
up
there,
but
I
don't
think
that
that
really
works,
and
I
think
that
if
we
are
going
to
look
at
extending
the
business
district
zone,
which
we
forwarded
a
positive
recommendation
on
that
means
we
are
interested
in
extending
the
pedestrian
movement.
A
J
Voted
for-
and
I
am
completely
in
keeping
with
that
thought
process
amy.
It
was
our
suggestion
to
go
central
business
district
further
west
for
design,
intent
and
and
care
of
the
hard
work
you
guys
have
done
in
the
sugar
house
central
business
district
today
to
maintain
that
fit
feel
and
that
feature
what
we're
seeing
and
what
we're
worrying
about.
I'm
finishing
up
the
park
avenue
for
the
cottonwood
folks
in
sugarhouse.
J
Now
we've
been
trying
to
lease
up
the
retail
on
the
front
end
of
that
for
18
months,
16
months
now,
there's
16
vacant
ground
floor
retail
shops
in
the
sugar
house,
central
business
district
that
are
associated
with
multi-family
buildings,
it's
really
tough
to
service
and
circulate,
and
I'm
wondering,
if
we're
starting,
to
meet
the
demand
and
and
satiating
that
interest
in
the
sugar
house
central
business
district
with
those
type
of
uses.
J
J
J
So
we
will
come
back
to
you
with
a
better
engagement
of
the
east
side
of
our
streetscape
on
2100
and
we'll
see
if
we
can
work
our
magic
with
you
when
we
come
back
to
the
planning
commission,
give
us
a
little
bit
of
time
to
entertain
some
design
ideas
on
that
side,
and
I
can
assure
you
that
assure
you
there'll
be
something
that
has
changed
when
we
come
back,
I'm
getting
literally
to
determine
exactly
what
it
is
for
the
owners.
But
I
understand
the
ask.
A
Okay,
other
commissioners,
to
talk
about
the
2100
south
side.
H
A
So
I'm
assuming
that
with
lex
that
that,
because
they
have
breaks
for
the
parking
entrance
and
the
entrance
in
the
middle
that
that
is
freaky,
we
don't
have
the
issue
of
exceeding
200
feet
in
length
for
the
design,
facade,
yeah.
H
H
J
You
understand
that
a
little
bit
max.
Is
it
a
a
visual
vertical
breakup?
Is
it
a
visual
horizontal
breakup
help
help
me
understand?
What's
going
on.
B
H
H
Looking
at
massing
here,
where
different
building
heights
different
building
materials,
something
that
does
not
give
the
deal.
This
is
one
massive
complex
and
I
think,
even
even
by
the
name
that
you're
you're,
giving
it
sugartown
has
a
feeling
of
a
town
which
I
would
think
is
not
a
not
a
complex
but
a
a
conglomeration
of
different
feel.
You
know
styles
of
buildings
and
and
kind
of
a
meeting
place
and
not
not
like
one
big
complex,
and
so
I
just
think
that
what
what's
here
to
me
even
there
looks
like
one.
D
I
do
yeah
I
mean
I,
I
think
just
use
the
architecture
to
break
it
up.
I
mean
you
have
opportunities
to
use
these
masses
and
create
some
some
more
interest.
I
mean
just
applying.
Basically
like
a
paint
brush
of
material
across
the
entire
facade
is
definitely
not
the
direction
to
go.
I
think-
and
just
you
know,
I
think
I
think
projects
like
this
start
to
lend
themselves
towards
throwing
a
bunch
of
materials
at
it.
I
also
don't
agree
with
that.
D
I
think
trying
to
find
a
way
to
architecturally,
maybe
you're
changing
the
sizes
of
windows,
you're
you're,
creating
masses
that
are
articulated
in
certain
ways,
but
they're
not
super
busy,
I
think,
would
be
the
direction
that
I
would
like
to
see
it
go
so
yeah
I
mean
you
just
have
to
articulate
the
architecture,
it's
really
hard
to
explain,
but
it's
it's
just
so
monotonous,
it's
just
so
repetitive,
and
if
you're
going
to
have
a
village
or
a
building
like
this,
you
really
have
to
use
form
human
scale
and
just
change
it
up
a
little
bit
between
one
side
to
the
other.
G
J
Adrian,
I
can
address
that
a
little
bit
in
working
with
the
city's
traffic
engineers
and
hails
engineering
who
did
our
traffic
study
and
our
impact
study,
lynn,
jacobs
and
the
traffic
team
and
the
engineers
of
the
city
wanted
us
to
match
the
ingress
egress
with
the
street
across
the
street
to
the
north
and
subsequently
it's
your
mid
block,
but
it's
kind
of
established
because
of
the
grid
of
the
parking
and
circulation.
That's
on
this
block
and
sugar
house.
J
So
that
was
more
of
a
city
derived
but
you'll
notice
that
we've
got
ingress
egress
out
to
the
west
additional
ingress,
egress
off
the
north
next
to
the
liquor
store.
And
then
we
have
two
ingress
egress
points
on
the
south
that
we'll
share
with
you
when
we
get
there
and
the
idea
was
to
what
the
city
wanted
us
to
do
was
to
disperse
traffic
into
all
directions.
J
The
one
direction
we
couldn't
disperse
was
off
the
east
flank,
just
because
of
the
narrowness
of
the
parcel
of
land
and
the
use
of
the
sugar
house
barbecue
hard
corner
to
the
north
east.
That
drive
lane
was
more
to
accommodate
safety
and
circulation
off
of
2100
more
than
it
was
appearance.
C
D
A
I
actually
think
it
is
very
monotonous,
and
I
think
the
only
reason
your
eyes
go
to
the
middle
is
because
it's
the
middle
there's
really
not
a
lot
of
visual
interest,
drawing
you
to
various
spots.
It's
just
such
a
huge
project
that
you
just
naturally
gravitate
to
look
towards
the
middle.
So
there's.
A
I
barely
see
the
architecture
I
mean,
I
barely
see
the
architecture,
drawing
me
to
the
middle.
It's
just
the
fact
that
it's
the
middle,
but
that's
where
I
look,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
more.
We
could
do.
You
could
do
along
this
to
give
it
visual
appeal
in
many
spots,
but
yeah.
A
D
You
have
kind
of
that
artful
sign
that
that
probably
should
be
the
focal
point,
and
if
the
architecture
behind
that
sign,
backed
up
that
as
the
focal
point,
then
that
would
give
you
a
pedestrian
oriented
design
that
would
bring
you
into
that
space
versus
that
awning.
That
makes
it
feel
like
that's
the
entrance,
but
really
that's
for
the
cars.
D
So
thinking
about
pedestrians
versus
cars
and
how
to
separate
those
visually
would
be
really
key
and
important
to
this
project,
but
yeah,
just
kind
of
echoing
what
we
were
saying
before.
J
Nope,
listen
this.
This
helps
us
understand
what
your
concerns
are
and
we'll
give
it
a
real
good,
quick.
It
can
you're
going
to
get
to
see
it
again
soon
and
and
hopefully
we
can.
We
can
design
to
what
you're
trying
to
articulate.
A
All
right,
let's
move
on
to
your
next,
your
next
side.
You
want
to
talk
about.
J
F
We
can
look
at
the
east
elevation,
maybe
here
next,
so
I
said
before
right.
Most
of
the
building
here
is
behind
the
sugar
house
body
part.
So
really,
this
is
the
only
street
stoppage.
It's
a
very
narrow
section
that
we
have
seen
for
our
studios
as
well
as
the
snow,
real
ice
cream
cone,
some
yellows,
almost
flawless
kind
of
keep
with
the
feeling.
Further
on
this
block.
That
mark
was
talking
about
you
earlier
with
the
pizza
shops
and
those
smaller
scale
stores.
J
J
So
we
can
better
succeed
at
what
I
tried
to
do
on
that
other
project
with
those
other
honors
groups,
and
we
think
this
way
it
becomes
something
that
is
collab
space,
art
space,
that
the
city
will
control
and
and
have
a
master
lease
on,
so
that
we
can
better
accommodate
photographers
artists
and
a
lot
of
the
fabric
that
used
to
be
pretty
established
in
sugar
house.
It's
been
kind
of
driven
away,
the
ice
cream
and
the
murals
and
there's
a
bit
of
a
rooftop
deck
on
the
top
of
the
ice
cream
cones.
J
If
you're
on
the
light
rail
transit,
it's
the
art
area,
it's
it's
saving
some
of
the
history
in
the
cool
factor
and
if
you're
ingress,
egress
out
of
the
smiths
market
across
the
street
from
us,
it's
engaging
the
streetscape
it's
in
keeping
with
estee's
pizza,
the
wing
shop
and
a
few
of
the
cool
kind
of
hip
trendy,
nice
retail
that
we
have
in
this
area.
J
And
then
the
coolest
thing
about
this
is
this
particular
building
is
micro
units
we're
proud
of
this
because
of
the
smaller
footprints
and
square
footages.
We
can
dramatically
reduce
the
rent
rates
and
provide
for
some
affordable
units
in
sugar
house.
There
is
none
zero
and
it's
really
hard
to
provide
them
for
three
reasons:
the
cost
of
real
estate,
the
cost
of
construction
and
the
cost
of
the
design
criteria.
J
J
But
it's
super
expensive,
and
so
this
is
a
way
that
we
can
provide
40
units
of
affordability
and
the
best
part
about
this
is
they're
associated
with
the
market
rate
project.
They
get
bike
lockers
they
get
rooftop
decks,
they
get
a
swimming
pool,
fitness
centers.
They
get
all
the
accoutrements
that
normally
it
costs
a
fortune
to
live
in,
to
achieve
and
through
affordable
units,
and
subsequently
it's
kind
of
got
this
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
an
edgy,
more
artsy
appearance
to
it.
J
It'll.
Have
you
know
some
some
bike
racks,
a
bench
or
two,
and
it's
we're
trying
to
create
a
little
bit
of
a
plaza
feel
across
the
street
from
some
of
the
existing
cool
retail.
D
Yeah,
I
I
guess
I'll
start-
I
I
think
this
side's
much
more
successful
than
the
other
sides.
I
I
like
what
you've
done
with
the
ice
cream
sign
versus
what
we've
I've
seen
in
the
past,
where
it
was
just
kind
of
tacked
on
the
building,
just
feels
a
lot
more
thought
about
a
lot
more
integrated.
So
I
do
I
I
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
that.
I
appreciate
the
the
thought
behind
it.
You
know
I,
like
the
the
incorporation
of
that
with
the
art,
I'm
I'm
always
hesitant
with
just
doing
murals.
D
D
Each
architectural
element
is
one
piece
and
not
broken
up
in
plane
with
a
bunch
of
materials.
I
think
the
cleanness
and
just
the
expression
of
the
architecture.
J
Excellent,
that's
excellent
feedback
and
and
we're
getting
closer.
I
can
assure
you
that
we
are
paying
very,
very
close
attention
to
how
we
break
this
thing
up
and
how
we
provide
a
little
better
circumstance.
The
brilliant
part
of
this,
as
you
all
know,
for
a
living
experience
with
the
grocery
store
across
the
street
bars
and
restaurants.
J
That's
what
we're
excited
about
with
this
building.
So
if
we're
missing
things-
and
you
guys
aren't
happy
with
it
boy,
this
is
a
great
time
for
us
to
get
it
right,
because
we
think
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
beautiful
place
for
people
to
live
and
we're
trying
to
accommodate
affordability
in
this
project.
A
So
mark
can
you
go
back
and
slide
so
we
can
see
more
of
just
a
east
yeah.
So
looking
at
the
actual
apartments
and
not
this
corner,
one
thing
I
would
hope
is:
maybe
you
could
get
a
little
bit
more
depth
perception.
A
And
so
because
the
barbecue
is
lower
and
then
there's
the
parking
lot
there,
and
this
is
a
very
busy
street
one
thing
I
really
dislike
about
the
the
apartment
that
went
up
east
of
smith's
that
you
can
now
see
that
overlooks
the
brothers
tires
is
that
side
is
just
like
this,
it's
very
flat,
and
it
just
is
really
boring.
If
you
could
provide
some
depth
perception
that
makes
me
feel
like
you've
got
some
different
things
going
on.
A
I
think
that
will
help
this
east
elevation
be
more
visually,
interesting
and
pleasing,
and
give
this
some
differentiation
from
what's
gone
up
around
it.
J
A
We'll
it
will
also
be
very
visible
from
the
intersection
people
that
are
in
their
car
or
crossing
the
street,
and
this
is
a
very
busy
pedestrian
street
as
well
that
that
corner
is
people
are
always
crossing
the
street.
This
will
be
visible
from
them
as
well,
and
I
think
it
needs
a
little
bit
more
interaction
visually
than
what
I'm
seeing
here.
J
A
J
And
let
me
just
add
amy
before
I
forget,
and
it's
just
a
quick
snippet
we're
using
snellgrove
the
name
and
sort
of
that
homage
to
some
of
the
history.
We
met
with
the
snellgrove
family
and
presented
to
them
our
ideas
and
what
we
would
like
to
do
and
we
had
the
entire
family's
blessing
to
continue
to
kind
of
propagate
the
snell
grove
tie
into
the
old
history
in
the
area.
So
just
in
case
anyone
was
wondering
the
family
is
very
comfortable
with
us
doing
this
kind
of
homage.
On
this
end.
A
That's
great
any
other
commissioners
want
to
discuss
this
particular
least
elevation
can.
E
That
that
east
facade,
where
you're
seeing
those
apartment
units
set
back
from
ninth
east,
that's
also
the
mid
block
walkway
and
the
and
the
other
thing
that
we
as
staff
have
not
seen,
is
and-
and
I
wrote
this
up
in
the
report-
is
we
don't
really
know
what's
going
on
in
the
mid-block
walkways,
and
we
can't
tell
from
this
type
of
rendering
either.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
your
attention
as
well.
So.
E
J
We
did
we
did
two
of
them
amy,
because
the
whole
block
had
been
cut
off
north
south
for
50
years.
So
we've
got
two
of
them
to
break
up
the
mass
and
make
it
so
that
our
residents
on
the
south
side
of
the
building
or
residents
that
live
south
of
us
can
access
through
the
block
in
two
locations
on
either
side
of
the
main
parking.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
it
would
be
nice
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
those.
Actually,
I
can
see
where
that
mid
block
walkway
comes
in
from
the
snow
groves
that
corner
that
rendering
I
could
see
it
but
yeah.
I
didn't
those
are
something
I
think
you
can
articulate
too
and
you're
kind
of
updating
the
architecture.
A
Okay,
any
other
yeah.
I
will
definitely
want
to
pay
attention.
I
didn't
even
realize
they
were
mid
block
walkways.
So
thanks
lux
other
commissioners.
Please.
H
And
why
I'm
just
curious
why
you've
moved
like
all
this
snow
growth
kind
of
art
stuff
over
to
90s,
rather
than
trying
to
keep
it
on
21st,
where
I
feel
like
when
I
drive
down
to
21st
and
I
think
of
that
old
ice
cream
cone.
That's
still
there.
It's
like
it's
on!
Maybe
I'm
just
thinking
what's
wrong
wrong,
but
I'm
just
curious
why
you
moved
it
over
the
90s
side.
J
Well,
I'll
tell
you
there's
a
look.
The
method
to
the
madness
was,
it
would
be
lit
up
at
night.
It's
activated
and
engaged
around
the
restaurants
and
stuff,
and
a
little
birdie
told
me
because
they
are
trying
to
hire
me.
Everything
across
the
street
from
us
on
2100
is
going
to
come
to
you
in
short
order
with
a
new
application
that
vacant
old
car
wash
and
that
pool
area
all
the
way
to
ihc,
and
I
think
2100
is
going
to
be
so
busy.
We
were
trying
to
create
a
bit
of
a
plaza
art
destination.
J
If,
if
you
guys
want
us
to
entertain
the
idea,
we
can
look
at
it,
we
were
pretty
excited
about
associating
it
with
a
24
hour
corner
map
between
bars,
restaurants,
grocery
coffee.
That
was
our
mindset
behind
it.
If,
if
you
guys
feel
other
ways,
we
can
entertain
the
idea,
but
that's
why
it
ended
up
there.
J
H
21St
south
is
the
is
the
busy
kind
of
thoroughfare
in
area.
I
know
there's
businesses
that
go
along
ninth
east
but
as
they
move
off
it
kind
of
goes
down
in
scale
and
if
you're
thinking
about
how
you
create
like
an
iconic
sort
of
building
or
place
again
like
a
sense
of
place,
it
seems
like
you
know,
we
talk
about
that
facade
on
21st
like
there's,
not
much,
that's
there.
H
H
I
think
of
like
this.
The
salt
lake
costume
place,
I
think,
did
a
good
job
in
some
ways
that,
like
trying
to
incorporate
the
old
signage
into
you
know
their
new
building
over
on
off
11th
and
they
did
a
good
job
of
trying
to
reference
it
without
being
you
know,
over
the
top
to
me,
it
just
feels
like
it's
it's
it's
there,
but
you
know,
I
don't
know
about
the
whole
art
thing
too.
Like
I,
you
know
I
can
see
why.
H
A
No
other
feedback
from
the
commissioners
on
this
one:
okay,
andreas,
please.
I
C
F
Comments
as
well,
I
mean
the
it
is
a
large,
very
large
project
and
one
wants
to
keep.
You
know
some
sense
of.
F
With
my
comments
as
well
so
yeah
with
what
you
guys
have
have
presented.
J
We
have
we've
pretty
dramatically
changed
this,
but
amy
you
can
see
how
the
buildings
are
separated,
that
it's
two
separate
and
succinct
buildings
and
that's
actually
the
start
of
the
pedestrian
walkway
that'll.
Take
you
up
to
sugar
house
barbecue
and
up
to
2100
south
and
it's,
and
that
walkway
is
all
on
our
property
in
the
setback.
So
we
will
advance
exhibits
for
you
to
better
understand,
we'll
speak
to
you
with
the
architecture.
J
So
you
understand
what
that
walkway
becomes
lit,
bollards,
landscaping,
real
well-lit
and
safe
and
we're
pretty
excited
about
doing
it
in
two
locations.
So
we
will
do
a
much
better
job
at
sharing
with
you
what
our
thought
was.
So
you
have
time
to
really
provide
us
feedback
at
the
next
meet
these
ground
floor
units
we've
dramatically
improved
with
front
yards
with
landscaping
and
with
walkouts
you'll,
see
all
that
coming
parker's
working
really
hard
on
it.
Right
now
he's
sitting
beside
me.
J
We've
just
talked
about
that
you'll
see
the
patio
or
the
rooftop
deck
on
the
very
far
right
of
that
slide.
You
can
catch
where
the
building
is
broken
up
and
that's
a
bit
of
a
step
back
idea
as
well,
when
you're
coming
north
or
southbound
on
ninth
east,
that
building's,
not
in
your
face
up
to
the
property
line,
it's
back
off
of
a
wider
plaza
and
then
again
those
upper
floors
have
been
removed
for
a
deck
and
kind
of
a
cool
experience
for
the
micro
unit.
J
Building,
let's
go
to
the
big
one,
and
this
is
the
one:
that's
caused
everybody,
the
apology
we
recognize
it.
We
have
to
drive
ingress
egress
points
off
this
backside
that
are
parking
structure
and
parking
access
and
service
further
west.
That
we'll
show
you
in
a
minute.
We
have
gone
to
work
and
dramatically
change
this
frontage.
J
All
these
units
are
walkouts
on
the
ground
floor.
The
idea
is
obvious.
We
want
front
doors,
people
having
a
cigarette
or
a
soda
or
barbecuing
on
their
front
stoop.
Where
you
see
one
here,
we've
done
it
the
entire
way
down
and
and
what
it's
going
to
do,
is
it's
going
to
activate
the
north
side
of
commonwealth
and
make
the
street
a
little
bit
more
towards
a
complete
street,
but,
more
importantly
than
that,
a
safe
street
for
pedestrians
at
all
hours.
J
So
please,
don't
myopically
focus,
I'm
very
interested
in
your
feedback,
but
you're
gonna
see
pretty
dramatic
change
to
this
entire
frontage.
When
we
come
back
to
you,
it's
underway
click
on
the
next
one
that
shows
the
walkway.
This
is
a
bit
of
an
advanced
walkway
amy.
You
can
see
it
and
what
we
planned
on
doing
was
it's
a
wide
pedestrian
path
through
the
west
flank
of
our
building.
J
That
goes
all
the
way
out
to
the
campfire.
Lounge
would
be
right
out
on
the
north
side
of
that
exit
and
we've
got
all
the
old
historical
homage
and
the
old
sugar
house
stuff
demonstrate
on
the
walls
in
there.
Now
we
don't
know,
ultimately
what
it'll
become.
J
Yes,
landscape
strip,
full
width,
sidewalk
and
then
the
building's
recessed
back
with
an
additional
step
back.
So
it's
a
it's
a
really
difficult
building
to
keep
the
costs
down
on.
To
be
very
frank
with
you,
all:
I've
got
wasatch
united
people
and
all
kinds
of
people,
kind
of
attacking
us
for
cost
of
living
and
cost
of
rent
rates
and
stuff,
and
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
the
uniqueness
of
this
application.
A
Well,
that's
commonwealth
is
really
narrow
and
the
south
side
is
not.
There
is
no
sidewalk,
like
you
have
in
this
rendering
it's
actually
the
back
yard
or
garage
facing
of
the
houses
that
you
can.
A
Commonwealth
is
is
not
as
friendly
as
this
particular
side
shows
it.
Nor
do
I
think,
you're
going
to
make
it
as
this
friendly,
because
the
south
side
is
not
it's
not
the
front
home
the
front
door
of
people's
homes,
it's
their.
A
B
They're
users,
but
I'd
like
you
all
to
consider
that
we
have
an
adu
ordinance
that
would
allow
development
of
some
of
those
garages
as
like
laneway
housing.
So
considering
this
is
a
public
street.
It
has
two
public
frontages,
even
though
today
the
back
of
some
of
those
things
that
doesn't
mean
that
it's
going
to
be
that
way
forever.
So
no
it's
just
really
narrow
and
there's
no
street.
A
Parking
there's
no
street
parking
on
it
because
it's
too
narrow
and
so
it's
a
difficult
street.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
were
going
to
put
in
a
sidewalk,
because
I
think
that's
a
good
thing.
J
J
If
it's
not
going
to
be
rodeo
drive,
it
needs
to
be
functional
and
nice,
but
within
reason,
and
and
it's
just
it's
kind
of
a
tough
spot
for
us
to
be
in
because
we
want
every
one
of
our
residents
to
walk
out
of
this
building
onto
all
four
sides
and
and
it's
a
really
beautiful
living
environment.
And
we
want
to
engage
that
commonwealth
and
improve
it.
It
then
ends
at
east
at
eighth
east
in
the
d.I
parking
lot
and
it
dead
ends
at
ninth
east
in
the
smiths
parking
lot
and
it's
narrow.
J
So
we
are
looking
for
some
guidance
here,
because
what
you
say
and
what
staff
says
is
a
little
different.
F
A
Well,
let's
try
to
improve.
F
A
Okay,
well,
I
know
matt
had
some
definite
ideas
about
the
commonwealth
side.
So
if
we
want
to
open
it
up
to
the
commissioners
and
matt,
if
you'd
like
to
kick
it
off.
H
Fine,
I
would
like
to
my
I
mean
I
actually
so
I
one
actually,
I
think,
and
I
know
you're
there's
a
lot
of
people
upset
about
me.
I
think
we
need
large-scale
housing
projects.
It's
the
only
way
we're
going
to
solve
for
housing
crisis.
We
we
will
not
solve
our
housing
crisis,
doing
single
one
adus,
all
the
time
like
it's
just
never
going
to
make
a
dent
on
on
the
housing
demand
problems
that
we
have
in
salt
lake,
and
so
I'm
you
know
generally.
I
do
think
we
need
more
large-scale
housing
projects.
H
I
mean
my
sense
is
from
here,
as
I
told
you
when
the
rezone
was
coming
through
and
for
me
even
it's
less
about
an
engagement
but
more
about.
I
I'm
in
the
back
my
backyard
and
I
have
a
looming
building
or
complex
now.
That
kind
of
has
now
moved
into
my
sort
of
spot
that
I
wasn't
originally
anticipating
was
there
when
we
rezoned
it.
Those
are
some
of
the
things
that
happened
that
got
permitted,
and
so
it's
for
me.
H
It's
more
questions
about
step,
backs
and
ways
that
you're
softening
that
feeling
of
a
large
wall
along
commonwealth.
I
mean
I
don't
think
commonwealth
will
be
a
pedestrian
sort
of
area.
And,
frankly
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
a
pedestrian
sort
of
area
with
the
exception
of
residents
who
live
there
coming
and
going,
but
it
you
know,
because
it's
not
you
don't
want
people
wandering
around
the
neighborhoods.
You
want
people
who
live
there,
kind
of
going
and
accessing,
but
then
leaving
and
heading
out
to
24,
south
or
ninth
east
to
actually
engage
with.
H
You
know
people.
So
I
mean
that
that's
my
comment
because
this
is
gonna
be
helpful,
but
that's
my
sense.
I
do
appreciate
the
mid-block
crossings.
You
know
I
mean
this.
The
length
of
this
building
is
is,
is
immense
and
really
I
mean
you
know,
while
town
the
commission,
a
lot
of
us
have
really
struggled
with
approving
buildings
that
are
longer
than
200
feet
because
they
just
they
feel
very,
very
large,
and
I
re
you
know,
and
I
feel
they
don't.
H
They
don't
have
that
sort
of
deal,
and
so
I
you
know
I
the
length
to
me
is
a
lot
when
I'd
be
I'd,
be
willing,
I
guess
really
I'm
kind
of
rambling,
but
you
know
willing
even
to
even
give
more
and
provide
more
with
what
happens
on
21st
south,
with
kind
of
you
know,
lessening
as
it
moves
towards
the
neighborhoods.
H
But
unless
you
know
the
master
plan,
we
will
read
the
master
plans.
These
neighborhoods
are
going
to
become
these
sort
of
developments,
which
you
know.
That
might
be
something
that
may
happen,
but
you
know
for
now
the
neighborhoods
are
there,
that's
not
the
master
plan.
The
master
plan
says
those
will
remain
kind
of
in
those
sort
of
as
they
are
so
anyway.
That's
my
comment.
I
guess
your
feedback
on
this
side.
J
And,
and
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
encroachment
just
to
answer
a
little
bit
of
the
first
part
math,
we
you're
going
to
see
some
change
to
this
and
we're
going
to
do
a
better
job
of
of
showing
it
and
articulating
it
in
the
architecture,
with
the
setback
with
the
width
of
the
sidewalk
and
then
with
the
step
back.
That's
one
floor
up.
J
The
old
warehouse
of
the
snellgroves
was
35
feet
high
on
this
backside
and
encroached
closer
to
the
street
than
what
our
building
will
and
we
will
be
16
or
17
feet
higher
than
the
original
ice
cream
plant
on
this
area.
But
much
further
removed
from
the
houses
than
the
actual
manufacturing
facility
was
with
the
right
landscape
and
streetscape.
J
We're
going
to
be
able
to
better
demonstrate
how
far
removed
that
building
is
the
darn
mass
and
the
exhibits
for
the
renderings
felt
it
just
makes
it
feel
more
in
your
face
than
it
is,
and
this
actually
shows
you,
the
dimensioning
and
stuff
and
the
step
backs
and
the
sidewalks
and
this.
So
I
can
assure
you,
when
we
come
back,
we're
going
to
have
advanced
that
streetscape
with
molly
and
lex's
concerns,
and
I'm
hoping
that
we're
getting
a
lot
closer
to.
A
Okay,
any
other
commissioners
want
to
pipe
in
about
the
south
facade.
D
Yeah
I
I'll
I'll
throw
in
a
couple
couple
things.
I
think
you
know
the
more
that
we
talk
about
this
and
the
more
that
I
look
at
the
plans.
You
know,
I
think
I
think,
what
you're
on
the
right
track
on
the
east
side
of
the
building.
I
think
that
mid-block
walkway,
creating
a
separation
between
the
masses
is,
is
starting
to
be
a
good
thing.
D
D
That
would
be
really
helpful
and
then
using
another
architectural
language
in
that
wing
and
almost
treat
that
whole
piece
as
a
separate
piece.
I'm
not
saying
cut
into
the
building
and
divide
it.
I
know
you
need
the
units,
but
I'm
saying
use
the
architecture
to
help
break
that
up
and
more
than
just
balconies.
I
think
you
know
material
and
massing
could
change
there,
and
that
would
really
help.
D
I
think
and
then
maybe
even
take
an
opportunity
between
the
two
garage
entrances
or
the
loading
zone
areas
and
maybe
try
to
introduce
something
there
too,
and
I,
I
really
think
that
would
help
it
doesn't
have
to
be
more
expensive.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
different
materials.
I
mean,
I
think,
just
changing
the
materials
to
something
that's
a
similar
cost
range
and
using
the
massing
of
the
building
to
break
it
up.
J
It
does
john,
it
absolutely
does,
and
I
I
think
we
can
do
a
nicer
job
on
this
and
to
more
kind
of
not
near
because
we
don't
want
that.
Look
but
emulate
that
spacing
and
that
massing
that
we
did
on
the
east
side.
I'm
following
your
logic
and
I
and
I
will
give
it
a
real
good
shot.
A
real
good
pick
of
the
canon.
A
E
E
It
took
me
several
times
going
through
these
plans
to
really
catch
that,
and
maybe
that
could
be
fleshed
out
a
little
bit
to
to
be
more
descriptive.
What
went
on
there.
I
think
that
could
be
helpful
for
the
commissioners.
A
Yeah
I
do
too
because
I
think
that
this
this
view
of
commonwealth
isn't
realistic,
and
I
and
because
I
live
right
there,
so
I
know
it
how
it
goes.
I
think
other
commissioners
could
benefit
from
a
better
understanding
of
really
how
narrow
that
street
is
and
what
what
you're
doing
so,
that
we
can
get
a
better
feel
of
the
work
you
do
to
try
to
mitigate
that
behemoth.
You
know
that
feeling
that
there's
just
this
huge
building
looming,
because
it's
so
narrow
it
accentuates
that
feeling,
and
so
I
agree
lex.
A
I
think
if
you
guys
could
do
that
in
the
future.
That
would
be
more
helpful
to
the
commissioners.
All
right,
then,
let's
move
on
to
the
the
west
facade
and
wrap
up
our
tour
of
the
building.
J
Can
we
okay,
we
got
there,
okay,
so
the
west
kind
of
flange.
It's
another
narrow
parcel
the
parking
lot
that
you
see
on
your
left
side
of
the
photo
there,
that
is
albion,
financial
and
then
out
in
the
distance
deeper
into
the
corner.
You
can
see
where
our
surface
stalls
adjacent
to
the
liquor
store
main
entrance
that
are
a
little
further
to
the
north
or
a
little
further
left.
That's
how
that
would
associate.
J
J
The
one
thing
that
this
rendering
doesn't
accurately
portray
is
the
north
side
of
this
building,
where
that
landscaping
is
right
there
to
be
very
honest
with
you.
Rocky
mountain
power
wants
me
to
put
all
my
transformers
and
a
lot
of
the
switch
gear
there.
So
we
will
better
demonstrate,
what's
actually
going
to
occur
and
make
sure
you're
good
with
it.
When
we
come
back
to
see
you
on
that
face,
because
it's
really
the
prominent
location
that
r
p
would
like
to
provide
most
of
the
servicing
room.
A
Okay,
commissioners,
let's
hear
if
you
have
any
thoughts
on
this
one.
F
D
D
One
thing
I
do
want
to
say
is
you
know,
I
feel
like
it's
come
a
long
way
since
the
last
time
we
saw
it,
I
appreciate
the
treatment
of
materials
again
wrapping
and
wrapping
the
architecture
and
not
just
stopping
in
the
middle
of
a
wall.
So
I
do
want
to
kind
of
commend
that
I'm
hoping
in
the
future
designs
that
that
will
continue
and
we're
going
to
treat
this
as
architectural
elements
and
kind
of
give
that
direction.
So,
but
that
being
said,
I
still
think
yeah
this
side's
kind
of
the
same.
A
J
Yeah,
it's
it's
a
surface
lot
and
it's
and
the
adjacency
to
their
main
entrance
and
then
the
rest
of
their
stalls
are
just
underneath
the
building
and
it's
a
single
level.
It's
an
at
grade.
So
it's
in
essence
we're
building
units
above
their
parking
on
the
real
estate.
But
there's
60,
contiguous
or
70
contiguous
parking
stalls
there
for
the
davc.
G
J
J
This
is
sort
of
a
dfcm
state
kind
of
circulation
plan
that
they'd
like
to
see
have
happened
for
the
liquor
store
and
they
actually
own
this
they're,
not
a
tenant.
They
are
they
own
the
real
estate.
So
it's
a
unique
public
private
partnership
between
the
owners
I
represent
in
the
dfcm
and
the
davc
lots
of
acronyms.
G
I
mean
I
I
still
I
not
a
big
fan
of
that
major
curb
cut
right
in
the
middle
of
the
block.
I
get
why
they
wanted
it,
but
to
have
two
curb
cuts
on
this
stretch
of
2100
south.
I
I
just
don't
think
is
is
great
for
the
streetscape
there,
but
I've
articulated
that
already.
So
I
don't
have
anything
further
amy,
okay,.
E
E
A
E
Mark
you
were
talking
about
your
rocky
mountain
installations.
It
is
critical
that
those
be
on
the
private
property.
The
city
is
not
going
to
entertain
after
the
fact,
those
types
of
utility
installations
and
on
public
property.
So
I'm.
J
A
Okay,
so
lex,
I
was
going
to
kind
of
also
wrap
up.
The
three
main
points
you
brought
up
earlier
and
in
your
memo
to
kind
of
make
sure
you
got
enough
idea
of
where
we're
at
was
there
other
things
you
wanted
to
bring
up.
E
I
wanted
to
I
wanted
to
get
some
specific
feedback
on
these
on
the
commonwealth
street
front
on
the
west
end,
where
what
is
adjacent
to
the
street
is
essentially
a
a
parking
garage
and
it's
there's
windows
there,
and
we
didn't
quite
talk
about
that
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
that
warrants
some
discussion,
but
I
I
have
some
okay.
A
I
think
I
can
wrap
up
a
little
bit
of
some
of
that
to
maybe
not
totally
satisfy
you,
but
give
you
an
idea
of
where
we're
at
and
then,
if
commissioners
want
to
correct
me
or
add
something
I'll
give
you
that
opportunity.
A
So
the
main
points
you
brought
up
in
the
memo-
and
that
was
the
massive
scale
dividing
heights
and
the
facade
to
increase
pedestrian
interest
and
interaction,
and
I
think,
through
our
discussion
tonight,
for
you
mark
those
are
the
real
points
that
we're
hitting
on
is
that
we
feel
like
this
is
extremely
massive
and
we
do
have
a
history
of
not
liking
these
type
of
behemoth
things.
A
If
you
looked
at
the
21st
and
21st
project,
I
mean
it
is
nowhere
near
this
size
and
we
had
a
lot
of
problems
with
how
big
that
felt
we
did
like
them
to
divide
heights.
We
liked,
you
know
to
see
some
differentiation
and
john
brought
up
many
points
of
this
to
make
it
feel
like
it.
They
are
different.
I
think
we
have
also
seen
projects
come
through,
that
architecturally
have
successfully
presented
a
large
building
but
made
it
feel
very
much
like
different
buildings
and
we're
not.
A
A
This
is
still
really
big
and
we
think
architecturally
you
can
do
better
in
dividing
those
heights
and
making
it
feel
like
they're,
different
buildings
and
making
it
feel
like
it's
not
so
massive,
and
then
we
did
bring
up
a
lot
of
points
about
how
to
engage
the
pedestrians
better
in
in
what
we
would
like
to
see
throughout
at
least
21st
south.
I
think
we
all
understand
we're
not
looking
at
pedestrian
activation
to
like
a
retail
degree
on
commonwealth
and
even
eighth
east.
Isn't,
I
think,
is
fine
for
what
it
is.
A
To
be
honest,
a
lot
of
the
pedestrian
activity
is
21st
and
9th.
That's
where
all
the
people
are
walking
across
the
street
on
eighth
east
with
the
pancake
house,
the
original
pancake
people
just
mill
about
they
they're
waiting
for
the
table,
otherwise
nobody's
walking
there
and
it
doesn't
mean
we
can't
be
doing
stuff
to
encourage
them
to
be
walking.
A
But
I
think
I
think,
by
addressing
the
the
uninteresting
massing
in
architecture,
will
also
help
with
the
facade
changes
that
lux
brought
up
to
increase
that
visual
and
pedestrian
interest
along
the
buildings
yeah,
and
then
the
focal
points,
really
you
know,
do
something
better
with
the
focal
points.
I
think
you
got
that
message.
I.
A
Yeah,
we
definitely
need
some
some
better
focal
points
along
21st
south,
I
think
lex.
Your
your
desire
to
get
specifics
on
commonwealth
is
a
little
hard,
because
what
we're
being
told
is
that
what
we'll
see
is
vastly
different,
but
if,
if
you
take
into
account
for
commonwealth,
the
fact
that
the
street
is
a
lot
more
narrow
than
kind
of
the
feel
of
the
rendering
and
how
the
height,
even
though
it's
not
terribly
higher
than
that
existing
warehouse
was
or
the
old
warehouse
it
still
feels
really
massive
and
and
how
that's
going
to?
A
A
A
So
I
just
want
to
touch
base
with
lex.
Do
you
feel
like
we
have
addressed
and
given
you
enough
direction
for
what
we'll
be
looking
for.
E
A
Okay
and
then
just
one
last
touchdown
to
commissioners,
do
you
feel
like
I
did
an
accurate
summation
of
of
our
feelings
and
our
comments.
Or
would
you
like
to
add
something
or
correct
something
that
I
said.
A
Okay,
then
we
will
move
this
off.
I
know
there's
not
a
lot
of
specifics
for
you
mark,
but
I
think
sometimes
just
understanding
exactly
how
it's
presenting
to
us
gives
you
enough
direction.
You
still
have
oh
yeah,
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
but
we're
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what
you
come
up
with.
In
addition,.
J
A
I
mean
I
remember,
mark
I
remember
us
having
a
discussion
probably
like
I
don't
know
eight
years
ago,
when
we
were
talking
about
the
original
granite
warehouse
and
how
we
that
came
up-
and
I
remember
scott
kisling-
brought
it
up
to
you
of
having
it
look
like
different
buildings.
That
is
something
that
I
think
the
sugar
house
community
has
long
been
looking
for,
and
we
have
yet
to
see
it.
You
look
at
all
the
developments
in
the
business
district.
Not
one
of
them
have
hit
that
mark.
A
So
it
we've
had
these
long
discussions
and-
and
it's
come
up
again
make
these
look
different
divide
this
up
some
way
architecturally
to
to
make
us
feel
like
it's,
not
the
entire
block,
so.
D
D
What
what
does
it
feel
like
to
be
a
pedestrian?
Next
to
this
building
a
lot
of
the
shots?
I
get
we're
talking
about
the
architecture,
we're
talking
about
the
overalls,
but
I
think
including
a
few
pages
of
renderings
that
are
just
up
close
enough
to
be
super
refined,
but
just
show
us
what
the
people,
what
what
you
know,
what
my
experience
would
be
and
and
tell
us
a
story,
and
I
think
that'll
help
really
go
a
long
way.
D
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
john
all,
right.
Well,
we
are
going
to
conclude
this.
I
want
to
thank
the
commissioners
for
allowing
a
longer
work
session
on
this.
I
think
it's
been
it'll,
hopefully
come
through
a
better
project
when
we
see
it
for
a
vote
with
that
said,
I
just
want
to
also
before
we
adjourn
thank
molly
again
for
all
of
your
work
with
the
city.
A
You've
been
there
for
quite
a
while
and
you've
made
a
really
big
impact,
and
I
hope
you
know
that
so
we're
going
to
miss
you,
but
we
appreciate
all
of
the
stuff
you've
done.
Okay,
that
we
are
adjourned
for
this
evening.
We'll
see
you
again
at
the
beginning
of
june.