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From YouTube: Interactive data visualization with Hanami & Saite - Jon Anthony - Scicloj interview 1
Description
Jon Anthony discusses interactive data visulization and literate programming projects Hanami and Saite:
https://github.com/jsa-aerial/hanami
https://github.com/jsa-aerial/saite
Interviewed by Alan Marazzi, Ethan Zane Miller and Vijay Kiran on 30th June 2019
Other projects mentioned during the discussion
https://alpha.iodide.io/
https://github.com/nathanmarz/specter
https://neanderthal.uncomplicate.org/
https://re-com.day8.com.au/
We will have more of this kind. The idea is to allow people to share their workflows, working with data. It is not about the perfect toolset and practices, but about the search for those.
* If you have any experiments and insights about the way you deal with code, editing, data, dataflow, data-visualization – then let us interview you about it.
* If you wish to help as an interviewer, that would be great, too.
The scicloj-tutorials stream at the Clojurians Zulip is a good place to talk about that.
https://clojurians.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/187445-scicloj-tutorials
A
Look
at
the
way
in
which
they
work.
You
know
how
do
they
actually
set
up
their
tools?
What
tools
are
they
using?
What
we're,
building
and
very
pragmatically
and
concretely
what
what
what
problems
do
they
solve
for
them?
We
thought
this
view
into
a
screen
share
in
particular.
That
would
allow
us
to
show
how
people
are
working
would
give
people
a
lot
of
insight
and
maybe
help
actually
build
some
consolidation
around
certain
practices
for
using
closure
and
data
science.
So
that's
the
general
idea
and
we
hope
you
enjoy
these
interviews.
Thank
you.
B
B
C
D
B
C
A
This
kind
of
came
up
because
I,
you
know
I'm
a
beginner
data
science
person
with
closure-
and
you
know
you
know,
sometimes
she
what
we're
talking
and
various
chats
about
using
the
repple
as
opposed
to
notebooks
and
a
lot
of
you
know
this
is
a
conversation
as
well,
so
having
with
Daniel
is
like
well.
What
is
that?
What
does
that
actually
look
like
when
people
are
doing
that?
I
can
imagine
what
it
looks
like,
but
what
does
it
actually
look
like?
What
are
they?
How
are
they
setting
up
their
environment?
A
E
B
B
A
Think
that
all
sounds
really
good.
Maybe
one
thing
just
keep
in
mind
is
like.
If
you
can
also
imagine
the
experimental
stuff
is
all
really
good.
Like
imagine
that
you
know
this
is
somebody
who
maybe
isn't
super
familiar
with
closure
and
it's
like
a
beginner
and
then
you
know
like
how
would
they
get
into
using
the
tool?
You
know
if
there's,
if
there's
ways
that
you
can
sort
of
give
that
easy
on
rap,
you
know
on-ramp,
it
might
might
be
good
more.
C
B
D
B
B
Kind
of
got
out
of
that
around
the
early,
2000s
and
I
noticed
that
a
lot
of
interesting
stuff
with
this
new
biology,
that's
going
on
and
a
lot
in
common
with
the
the
kind
of
things
that
were
being
done
for
semantic
analysis
and
parsing,
and
just
that
in
the
next
thing.
So
it's
an
interesting
thing
like
you
jump
into
and
I've
sort
of
been
I
guess
my
current
hat.
It
is
not
my
current
hat.
My
dad
is
a
computational
biologist.
D
B
B
B
B
C
B
B
And
then
I
sort
of
came
across
him
to
rule
a
rebel
that
was
like
well,
this
is
there
I
know
it's
a
notebook
like
thing,
I'm,
Len,
probably
another
piece
of
wire.
Obviously
this
thing
came
to
be
not
a
huge
notebook
fan
at
least
not
the
way.
Notebooks
are
currently
kind
of
you
see.
I
know,
I've
never
been
in
one
kind
of
a
guy,
so
I
met
a
BIM
person.
B
B
The
is
the
declarative
language
to
do
these
visualizations
and
I
was
like
it's
is
really
nice
yeah
some
people,
early
Amitabh
of
this
thing
and
I'm
like
why,
which
I
used
a
lot
in
our
when
I
do
and
I
still
use
that
I
just
go
using
kind
of
stuff
there
any
kind
of
static,
so
I
like
generating
PDFs,
and
if
you
think
you
didn't
make
a
really
nice
environment
for
this
kind
of
stuff.
If
you
use
you
know,
knitter
him
and
mom
knew
those
names
together.
B
B
A
really
nice
way
to
go
if
you're
just
doing
a
static
kind
of
stuff,
but
one
of
the
things
we
really
want
on
it,
and
especially
those
really
dangerous.
It's
almost
interactivity
because
the
biome
just
want
to
be
able
to
dynamically
explore
the
bit
pop-up
ggplot,
it's
like
now.
That's
really
cool
a
lot
of
nice
stuff
in
it,
but
you
can't
actually
do
and.
D
B
D
B
B
B
You
gotta
try
to
get
in
me
and
papi
I.
Think
really
it
it's
not
a
daddy
three
buddies.
You
got
a
lot
of
stuff
in
it
in
order
to
make
it
do
anything.
So,
even
even
like
I
borrowed
charge
and
something
there's
a
bunch
of
stuff,
you
gotta
good.
So
one
of
these
things
about
gypsies
was
it
had.
These
three
can
thank
for
scatter
pod
flying
shards
cards
whatever
and.
B
Except
then
the
first
thing
I
said,
but
you
know
now
you
just
get
to
focus
and
it
was
like.
No,
you
can't
get
focus
if
you
take
the
map
that
it
generates
and
then
kind
of
hand
hat
the
tooltip
channels
into
the
into
the
outlet
and
I
was
like
okay,
you
know,
that's
whatever
like
the
greatest,
then
I
was
casting
about
for
more
stuff
and
I
ended
up
stumbling
upon
this
ubot
thing,
Vizard,
which
used
Vega
as
well.
I
was
like.
B
Well,
maybe
this
is
a
little
better,
but
it
turned
out
that
it
was
actually
in
many
ways
much
worse.
Both
of
them
know
I.
Think
gypsies
did
this
to
you
sent
back
and
it's
just
like
simply
bringing
enormous
amount
of
baggage.
You
know
loads
of
stuff
that,
and
the
only
thing
you
really
want
out
of
it
is
simple.
Once
I
get
messages,
that's
gonna
need
full
all
this
other
junk
yeah,
it's
just
way
too
heavy
weight
mean.
D
B
D
B
B
D
B
I
kind
of
had
a
version
of
that
working
with
some
basically
kind
of
get
about.
The
same
thing
is
what
Vizard
did
or
but
looked
a
much
simpler
face,
including
this
even
even
human,
the
reagent
stuff.
You
know
all
that
good
stuff
was
based
on
old,
obviously,
deprecated
react
and
the
age
is
on
stuff
and
it
was
like
really
good
and
then
I
know
this
oz
came
about
and
it
was
like.
Okay.
Maybe
we
should
look
into
that
and.
C
B
D
B
Center
I
don't
know
about
other
people,
but
in
this
field
one
time
you
gave
such
a
they're
similar,
alright,
so
there's
a
lot
of
characteristics
of
there.
I
have
some
charts
that
we
can
be
abstract
it
out.
If
you
will
so
that
you
can
just
use
a
kind
of
base
and
then
plug
in
different
things.
It's
not
just
data
itself,
but
different
fields
and
things
like
that,
but
they're,
structurally
crazy.
D
B
B
B
Just
like
in
the
Egyptians
made
the
first
thing,
the
first
you
build
something
like
that.
The
first
example
happy
doing
that
comes
along
doesn't
fit,
is
the
stuff
that
oh
I
guess
I
need
to
account
for
that
field
or
that
you
know
some
component
or
whatever
it
is,
and
it
was
like
why
it
became
and
and
as
I
was
noodling
on
this
one
day.
D
B
B
You
have
a
starting
hashmap
and
it's
transformed
you
know,
BC
these
market
being
given
values
and
despotic
heat,
so
that
was
like
well
that
happens
to
work
pretty
nicely,
and
then
it
in
dawned
on
me
that
what
do
I
can
do
much
better
than
this.
You
can
just
keep
going
and
fail.
You
can
have
an
entire
plots
and
charts,
and
things
like
that
defined
in
terms
of
these
and
striking
template
components
and
that's
kind
of
how
I
came
about
them.
That's
pretty
much!
B
How
that
whole
thing
came
about
and
then,
as
they
decided,
okay
I
think
I
want
to
make
a
thing
that
does
this.
The
other
thing
that
occurred
to
me
is
wow.
You
know
why
am
I
always
being
laying
out
all
these
things
that
doesn't
make
any
sense
either.
Why
can't
I
do
something
that
just
automatically
generates
all
this
stuff
yep.
D
B
D
B
Or
rows
and
you
could
have
different
number
of
elements
her
and
all
this
stuff,
and
it
was
that's
great,
you
know
gee.
Maybe
it
would
be
kind
of
cool
that
I
have
where
you
can
think
about
almost
like
a
paper
or
a
book
where
each
candidate
chapter
or
a
section
now
you
can
just
have
a
bunch
of
tabs
each
one
having
all
of
this
specific
information
for
the
chapter
or
section
or
whatever
it
is,
and
it's
a
pretty
neat
mechanism
for
laying
out
the
vacuum
item.
D
B
D
B
Originally
Hana
me
was
I
I
kind
of
had
a
struggle
with
with
it
because
it
was
like.
Okay
is
this'll
librarians
at
an
application,
and
so
I
tore
out
all
of
the
application
tips
and
just
left
the
library
parts
and
then
I
in
order
to
get
back
on
it
for
I
was
before
I
did
that
I
created
this
citation
now
the
nice
thing
about
Hana
me
does.
B
Is
you
can
build
all
sorts
of
other
interactive,
warm
off
applications,
so
there's
some
specific
data,
visualization
applications
that
we
use
now
in
conjunction
with
these
pipelines
that
also
build.
So
you
just
pull
these
can
go
to
their
datasets
and
in
previously
they
were
all
just
static.
You
keep
laps,
but
now
they're
highly
interactive
things.
D
A
So
if
I
were
to
like
summarize,
the
relationship
of
Hana
me
and
Zeta,
its
site
is
kind
of
built
on
Hana
me
as
a
library,
but
is
a
kind
of
opinionated
application.
Context
for
how
you
might
use
this
and
for
in
particular,
presenting
information
and
different
tabs
where,
where
the
tabs
are
sort
of
grouped
explorations,
is
that
yeah.
B
B
By
coming
around
betting,
the
Vega
visualization
can
some
hiccup
stuff
like
this
and
when
that's
great
but
again,
it's
all
manual
I
keep.
That
was
where
this
idea
of
picture
things.
Like
mostly
long.
We
just
had
the
ability
to
embed
a
visualization
automatically
in
income
tax
and
potentially
well
marked
down
for
sure,
but
things
like
laughing
yeah.
D
B
C
C
B
B
D
B
D
D
C
B
Okay,
whatever,
but
the
part
that
was
so
ludicrous
is
like
it
came
to
be
pretty
clear
that
the
only
reason
why
they
couldn't
make
it
work.
This
is
because
they
didn't
want
to
and
the
meaning
that
they
gave
her.
That
was
if
we,
if
we
okay,
when
it
boils
down
to,
is
they
don't
track
downloads
at
a
level
good
show
and
the
reason
they
don't
is
because
they,
you
know
they
can
cheat
and
if
they
cheat,
the
performance
is
better.
That's
really
the
ball.
B
B
C
B
D
B
C
B
D
C
B
D
B
B
D
B
B
It's
the
default
screen
that
comes
up
on
your
side
and
the
idea
was
this
whole
idea.
This
thing
goes:
if
that
you
can
take
snippets,
I
mean
if
you
go
on
and
you
grab
something
from
Vega
the
baby
examples
of
big
alight
examples:
Gigi,
that's
what
I
want
I
want
that
fly,
but
I
want
to
use
it
for
closure.
You
know.
D
B
Mean
you
gotta
do
some
hand
translation
right.
How
much
did
you
gotta
do
something
anyway,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
idea
of
this
thing
here
you
can
paste
your
JavaScript
over
here
and
you
can
click
click
this
and
turn
the
bank
of
lightning
into
clj,
and
then
you
can
immediately
use
that
as
part
of
your
Templar
starting
Templar,
effectively.
E
B
B
B
A
It
it
probably
be
good
to
jump
into
showing
how
you
work
with
it.
Maybe
I
don't
know
if
they're,
like
other
questions,
that
people
want
to
ask
in
this
kind
of
intro
as
you
in
it
relate
to
the
introduction,
but
I
don't
know
what
I
have
is
just
you
know
what
is
the
what's
the
closure
context
adding
here
and
or
you
know,
how
is
this
heavy
things
Ida
and
Hana
me
kind
of
fit
into
the
broader
domain
of
tools
around
data
science
that
exists
in
closure?
A
D
D
C
B
E
B
C
B
So
that's
a
potential,
then
I
exposes
the
primary
potential
reason
to
even
pursue
this
kind
of
stuff.
And
after
all,
you
have
things
like
I
mean
I,
don't
like
stuff
like
Jupiter
or
a
reading
girl
over
for
that
matter,
because
notebook
kind
of
conventional
schema
that
they
have
I,
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
looked
at
iodide
it
off
I.
A
B
B
D
B
Well,
I
mean
if
you
need
more
computing
power
than
that's
going
to
be
a
problem
right
and
even
if
it's
all
turned
into
like
some
code,
it'll
be
under
the
covers,
or
you
take
the
C
code
and
turn
it
into
web
assembly.
And
then
you
generate
machine
code
on
that.
The
problem
is
you're
still
going
to
have
some
issues.
I
think
you
need
access
to
a
bunch
of
different
machines
or
you
need
a
folders.
B
B
C
D
B
B
B
And
it's
pretty
neat
and
it
does
do
the
subtraction
of
the
Vega
life
in
the
way
that
I
would
like
accepted
it
as
seeing
kind
of
an
issue
where
they
have
a
bunch
of
methods.
Anytime.
Anything
changes
with
respect
to
how
you
know
big
light
works
or
anything
that
you
can't
be
doing
an
update
all
that
stuff
and
if
they
want
to
provide
other
instructions,
they
gotta
write
them.
They
gotta
like
code
that
supposed
to
be
doing
baby
stuff.
D
B
D
B
Swapping
a
with
the
value
of
capital,
I,
say:
okay,
so
X
is
capital,
X,
a
substitution
key,
and
if
there
is
a
value
for
this
key,
the
substitution
keep
X
and
either
the
defaults,
or
you
can
give
it
you
can
get
it.
This
is
a
very
adding
function,
so
you
can
give
any
number
of
key
value
and
it'll
transform.
So
what
happens
then
is
that
this
will
transform
this
map
into
a
and
with
the
value
back
yeah.
D
B
A
B
E
A
B
B
B
D
B
D
D
D
B
D
B
D
B
D
E
C
B
D
D
C
B
Sort
of
that's
a
key
thing
about
these
things,
this
transformation
stuff
in
using
templates
because
it
changes
how
you
can
do
everything.
So
it
looks
a
look
at
a
couple.
More
and
you'll
see
this
very
quickly
here.
So
if
we
here's
an
example
where
we
had
the
default,
which
was
which
was
little
axe,
but
we
can
change
it
by
just
giving
a
value
for
x.
It's
part
of
the
argument.
C
B
B
B
C
C
A
A
B
C
D
B
C
B
And
so
a
just
goes
away:
empty
collection
and
empty
collections
are
gonna,
be
removed
and
that's
a
be
a
deal
in
terms
of
this
pad
and
actually
work.
So
here's
another
example
here
where
the
scale
has
this
iron
beets,
the
specter
and
one
okay.
We
come
down
here,
we're
gonna,
get
this
same
thing,
so
stay.
B
A
A
B
This
one
is
a
little
different.
This
you're
gonna
have
substitution
teams
that
are
functions,
okay
and
they
take
the
current
substitution
map
as
one
of
the
arguments
and
the
key
that
they
gotta
both
with
and
then
they
can
return
something
what's.
This
did
so
in
this
case
is
valid
data
thing.
What
it
does
tries
to
resolve
either
data
sets
that
are
in
line
or
files
and
the
files
it
can
be
eaten
as
the
LJ,
Jason
or
Sita's
beat.
D
B
B
B
B
E
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
A
D
B
But
here's
the
deal
is
now
you
have
a
subform
on
this
thing
called
you.
They
used
to
have
all
this
junk
in
the
individual
pots
them.
Well,
that's
crazy!
Why
am
I
doing
that?
Because
this
stuff
is
just
the
same
thing
over
and
over
and
over
and
over
so
I
am
strike
that
out
into
a
thing
called
a
few
baixo
Vega,
you
guys
bingo
my
dates
on
Vega
and
thing
it
has
this
constant
confused
with
your
composing
layers
and
a
view.
B
B
We
have
user
specific
data
that
they
need
to
communicate,
get
it
gives
pre-process
the
afford
the
big
big
like
it's
Gibson
hands-on,
and
they,
and
so
this
this
meta
key,
is
effectively
supported
but
ignored,
because
we
can
put
anything
you
want
and
in
particular
you
can
put
control
information
and
that's
sort
of
how
I
think
that
uses
this
stuff
I
mean
you
have.
You
know
things
like
weird
back
Marlin
titles.
The
data,
the
data
channel
in
all
this
kind
of
style,
okay,
all
right!
B
B
The
value
and
there's
a
lot
of
junk
in
here
and,
as
you
can
see,
there's
a
lot
of
again
substitution
key.
So
this
again
with
this
recursive
transformation
goes
out,
so
encoding
in
place
can
view
base
with
this
thing
and
then
all
these
values
with
transponding
and
so
forth.
So,
okay,
so
one
of
the
one
thing
is
there's
no
case
of
what
happens
if.
B
E
B
B
B
D
B
It's
a
function
that
takes
the
grid
layout
and
then
you
can
be
mean
something
there's
this
frame
stuff
which
defines
picture
frames,
there's
time
bomb
left
right
and
there's
frame
ID,
which
is
really
useful.
Some
of
this
might
experimental
stuff,
we
think
and
things
and
and
pull
them
off
and
change
them
dynamically
different
options
and
have
things
like?
What's
what
what
is
the
mode?
Is
it
bigger
than
the
right
with
the
renderer
stuff
like
that
message?
App
is
for
the
server,
so
I
would
get
default
message
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
All.
C
B
B
A
B
B
B
E
E
B
B
A
D
B
A
E
B
B
C
B
D
A
A
D
A
B
B
A
C
B
C
C
A
C
A
I'm
starting
to
get
a
sense
of
I,
don't
know
it's
a
conversation
I
had
with
somebody
where
you
know
around.
Why
people
in
the
closure
world
around
data
science
seem
to
be
a
bit
frustrated
with
the
notebook
context
and
prefer
working
in
the
repple
and
it
sort
of
feels
like
here.
What
you've
done
is
try
to
yeah.
D
A
B
B
D
B
D
D
E
A
Yeah,
that's
very
cool
so
and
what's
the,
what
would
you
say
is
the
scenarios
in
which
somebody
would
choose
rendering
from
the
server
versus
what
you've
been
showing
us
here
in
terms
of
playing
around?
Is
it
you
know
the
client?
Is
it
kind
of
I
guess?
Maybe
the
client
context
is
good
for
live
presentations
or
maybe
when
you're
in
exploratory
stage
yourself,
whereas
you
put
it
on
the
server
when
you
kind
of
had
worked
it
out.
Is
that
I
think.
B
B
C
B
There's
that
kind
of
an
issue-
the
other
issue
is
this-
gets
back
to
some
of
the
decision
here
with
Daniel
I
I
mean
there's
no
reason.
Okay,
this
this
interaction
here
is
part
of
this
thing.
With
this
there's
like
there's
bad
sign
field,
yes
thing
is
that
you
could
have
an
ant
sign
clj.
Oh,
that
means
this
thing
needs
to
go
talk
to
the
server,
because.
B
The
reason
you
might
want
that
is
because
of
file
file,
so
instead
of
a
if
you
didn't
have
this,
if
you
didn't
have,
if
you
didn't
have
like
inline
data
here
like
this
thing
or
a
URL
data,
but
you
can
adapt
it.
Oh
I
gotta
go
and
click
that
something
server
someplace,
but
the
other
thing
is
is
it
would
be
cool?
If
you
had,
then
you
could
have
Neanderthal
yep.
D
B
B
C
B
A
B
B
B
C
D
B
Were
trying
to
do
some
sort
of
interactive
thing
with
a
brush
and
then
you
could
highlight
them
Richie,
but
suppose
you
knew
that
you
were
looking
for
Jeannie
18.
Stick,
you
know
how
is
it
being
expressed
differentially
if
you've
got,
you
know,
5000
points
you
need
sort
of
the
mouth
so
longer
these
things,
but.
C
B
B
B
B
A
E
A
C
B
E
B
C
B
D
B
The
particular
frame
that
has
all
the
data-
and
you
put
another
one
in
for
a
song,
beautiful
you're,
not
actually
changing,
and
then
you
rerender
okay.
So
what?
But
what
happens
is
doing
the
data
flow
capabilities
in
the
agent
yeah?
Only
the
thing
that
gets
changed
actually
you've
ended.
Thank
and
one
of
the
things
that's
required
to
make
that
work.
You
gotta
have
everything
in
a
sequence,
that's
heavy
thing
called
on
unique
stabilized
each
other
right.
A
B
B
A
B
B
A
A
B
C
B
C
D
D
B
Happens
is
this
just
a
little
piece
of
magic
community
between
the
server
and
the
compliant
there's
over
on
the
client
side?
There's
one
of
the
things
you
can
do
economy
is
you?
Can
you
can
supply
a
transformer
for
any
given
message
and,
and
what
happens
here
is
it
gets
run
past
this
slider
definition
really
turned
it
into
the
active
active
component?
That's
a
yeah.
E
D
C
B
B
E
C
E
E
C
D
C
B
C
B
B
B
D
D
D
B
D
B
B
B
D
B
B
So
again
you
can
dis
abstract
over
this
stuff
anyway,
and
that
and
it's
surprising
how
fast
it
goes
over
the
go
think
it
gets
over
your
client
in
like
only
like
a
second,
maybe
I
am
yeah,
and
then
it
takes
a
little
bit
of
time,
but
the
surprising
how
well
that
weren't
anyway,
so
I'm
playing
around
the
other
thing,
is
it's
like.
Where
should
save
it
yeah?
That's
this
idea
of
having
a
dockside
cake
directory
under
your
elbow
directory.
C
D
E
B
Now
the
only
thing
is
this
is
why
I
mentioned
using
side
escape,
because,
even
though
this
looks
pretty
cool,
there's
a
couple
of
things
not
much
you
can
do
interactive,
you
can't
click
on
a
node
and
you
have
a
bunch
of
stuff
show
up.
That's
that's
inside
them
that
the
other
thing
is.
Is
you
can't
put
the
labels
in
the
node
and
the
other
thing?
Is
you
can't
label
the
edges,
they're.
B
A
B
E
Was
thinking
that
it
would
be
cool
to
actually
send
that
data
represent
a
full
data
representation
of
a
document
or
at
this
point
the
dashboard
as
a
note,
should
be
sent
via
network.
So
I
could
have
this
on
one
server
or
a
computer
of
another
person,
and
just
and
I
don't
know
every
day
and
update
or
you
over
there,
and
they
can
just
find
it,
and
it
would
be
already
done
basically.
B
B
Yeah
full
URL-
and
you
can
send
this
this
vector
yeah
over
to
you,
know
by
mail
with
somebody
and
they
could
just
pop
it
in
we
could
just
explore
I
mean
another
idea
is
I
thought
about
this
too.
There
was
somebody
came
up
with
a
neat
thing,
with
food
dip
on
the
cages.
I
guess
a
fellow
who
has
a
thing
about
how
to
have
closure.
B
D
B
C
D
B
C
B
B
C
B
D
B
B
B
D
D
D
B
D
B
D
A
You
know
just
be
nice
to
not
have
to
write
out
the
whole
declaration.
You
know
I
wasn't
even
doing
particularly
complex
ones,
but
it's
you
know
and
at
the
same
time
it's
not
it's.
It's
it's
better
than
the
kind
of
Python
thing
where
you
might
have
like
a
you
know,
line
sharp
function
because
in
the
end
you
still
get
a
data
that
you
can
inspect.
Yes,.
D
D
B
C
B
D
A
We're
in
a
notebook
context,
even
though
we're
talking
about
how
we
don't
like
those
let's
say
you
used
ton
of
me
in
a
notebook
context,
and
you
generated
the
data
that
you
know
the
template
using
one
of
these
transforms
and
then
you
want
to
render
you'd
be
using.
What
would
you
use
for
that?
I
presume
that
that
would
be
possible.
B
A
Like
I
had
used
in
some,
you
know
in
a
tutorial
that
I
was
working
on
for
the
Cyclones.
I
was
just
you
know,
rendering
some
you
know
an
experimental
data
set,
or
you
know
an
illustrative
data
set
with
with
AHS
and
so
generated
a
Vega
light
template
template,
I,
guess,
you'd,
call
it
and
then
odds
had
a
rendering
facility
has
a
rendering
facility.
Oh.
A
B
C
C
E
B
B
D
A
C
B
D
B
B
D
E
C
C
B
C
D
A
E
B
D
D
D
A
B
B
C
B
E
B
D
A
D
D
Well,
it's
really
nice
to
see.
No,
then
I
could
pick
up
bindings
and
saw
I've
seen
this
conference
talked
a
long
time
ago
about
Vega
and
was
pretty
impressive
and
mostly
I
was
doing
deeply
related
stuff
a
bit,
but
this
seems
like
a
really
nice
way
to
and
I
think
Nathan
was
pointing
out
the
the
notebooks
are
like
the
yeah
I
mean
they
have
this
modality,
and
there
is
this.
This
weirdness
in
that
one,
but
yeah
I
liked
your
idea
of
using
that
concept
and
extending
it
into
a
more
closure
away.
Yes,.