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Our guest today on Rising Tide Startups is Victor Zhang, Cofounder and CEO of AphaWallet. Victor has 7 years experience managing multinational teams and businesses in Australia, Singapore, China, Hong Kong, Korea, Japan and India. He also started up 5 businesses in Australia, China, HK and Singapore including import/export/wholesale/sports/travel/ticketing/internet business.
A
This
is
Kevin
Pruitt
with
rising
tide
startups,
and
my
guest
today
is
Victor
Jiang
Victor
thanks
for
joining
us
on
rising
tide.
Thank
you
for
the
invitation.
Kevin
I
really
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
and
we
were
talking
a
little
bit
off-camera.
This
is
this
is
right
in
the
height
of
the
kind
of
the
early
stages
of
just
the
difficulty,
with
the
coronavirus
globally-
and
you
mentioned
to
me
that
you're
actually
working
from
your
home
office,
you
know
because
of
that,
but
Victor
teller
don't
rising
tide
a
little
bit
about
yourself.
So.
B
That
is
as
well
as
my
main
career,
but
a
lot
of
the
same
time
also
based
on
a
small
tag
project
because
they're
always
interested
in
the
technology,
especially
IT
information
technologies.
So
after
I
work
for
the
last
company,
I
work
for
his
Spanish
startup
and
after
they
stole
to
eBay
for
165
million
US
dollar
and.
A
B
Know
I'm
one
of
the
early
Cote
member
of
their
startup,
so
after
that
I'm
working
for
them
for
another
eight
months
and
then
I
just
create
a
job
start
to
do
some
interesting
things.
I,
invest
in
some
small
tech
startups
and
also
doing
some
mobile
applications
for
my
own
project
and
then
because
my
my
whole
career
is
most
of
the
experiences
in
event
take
his
industry.
B
So
when
is
the
time
I
see
the
blockchain
technology
I
think
it's
a
perfect
fate
to
change
the
in
antic
industry
and
they
start
trying
to
form
a
team
to
doing
that
business
raft.
Oh
I
reached
my
CTO
and
he
successfully
sold
his.
We
sure
are
broken
to
me
instead
of
doing
the
ticketing
business
yeah.
So
that's
that's
where
we
start
for
the
alpha
wallet.
A
B
It's
quite
interesting
just
for
our
system.
We
are.
We
are
not
working
on
a
particular
use
case
for
using
blockchain
technology.
We
are
more
working
on
kind
of
an
infrastructure
for
the
overall
blockchain
technology.
You
can
thinking
as
if
we,
if
you
use
the
web
tool
as
an
example.
What
we
are
doing
is
that
we
provide
a
program,
language
called
the
token
script.
That
is
a
tokenization
framework.
You
can
sync
it
as
a
HTML.
B
You
can
use
HTML
to
write
website,
you
can
use
token
script
to
to
tokenization
for
your
rights
and
on
the
other
side
we
also
provide
a
user
platform,
which
is
the
Alpha
volley
itself.
You
can
sync
it
as
like
a
web
browser
for
web,
so
that
means
after
you
use
HTML,
write
a
website,
and
then
your
user
can
use
a
web
browser
to
access
your
website
to
access
whatever
services
or
product
you
provided.
So
that
is
where
we
do.
We
provide
that
token
script
and
alpha
volley.
A
Right
now,
I
mean
I,
looked
at
alpha
wallet,
its
alpha
wallet
comm
for
those
that
don't
want
to
look
it
up.
I
was
looking
through
that
it
seemed
to
me-
and
this
was
just
a
very
cursory
glance,
but
it
seemed
to
me
that
it
was
almost
like
a
crypto
wallet
for
aetherium
was
that
is
that
the
basic
design
yeah?
It
is.
B
Crypto
Wally
working
on
our
Syrian
based
Network,
so
the
minister
is
used.
You
see
a
proctor
as
the
as
the
as
the
as
the
as
the
lower-level
infrastructure
to
run
Asian
project.
So
there
is
a
small
Locker
if
you
install
alpha
wallet,
but
if
you
don't
high
by
any
token
script
unable
token
there's
just
like
a
empty.
My
browser
there's.
B
Know
you
probably
can
transfer
in
some
cryptocurrency
and
transfer
to
other
people
and
that
I
saw
the
basic
function,
but
as
soon
as
you
have
token
squid
and
nipple
token
inside
your
wallet,
then
your
wallet
can
be
anything.
For
example,
we
did
the
experiment
with
FIFA
in
two
zero
one:
eight,
we
take
experiment
with
car
company
in
two
zero
one
I.
So
as
soon
as
you
have
this
romantic
his
token
in
your
wallet,
then
your
wallet
instantly
become
invent
a
case
application.
B
A
B
Car
to
locate
your
class
start
engine
crews
engine
and
you
can
authorize
other
people
to
use
your
car.
You
can
transfer
ownership,
you
can
sell
it.
You
can
access
other
services
build
on
top
of
this
this
this
this
token,
this
car
ownership
focus.
So
it's
more
like
a
browser
right.
If
you
have
the
website,
then
you
can
use
the
browser
to
access
all
those
functions
from
the
website.
A
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
am
I,
am
not
that
well-versed
in
in
crypto
and
blockchain.
So
when
I
think,
when
I
hear
aetherium
I
think
almost
exclusively
the
e
currency,
you
know
that's
aetherium,
just
the
coin
itself,
not
not
the
the
platform
it's
built
on
or
any
the
kind
of
the
back
side
of
things,
but
but
just
you
know
like
I,
actually
own
aetherium,
you
know
the
coin
itself.
So
that's
that's
what
I?
That's
that's
my
limited
understanding
of
you
know
when
you're
talking
about
a
theorem,
but
the
way
you
explained
it.
A
B
A
A
B
B
B
A
Time
but
so
walk
us
through
a
little
bit
the
you
know
you,
you
said
you
work
for
the
kind
of
Spanish
startup
and
had
a
very
nice
exit
there
so
and
you
you
stepped
into
alpha
wallet.
So
what
do
you
see?
I'm
really
really
curious,
just
kind
of
drill
down
a
little
bit
in
the
in
the
kind
of
blockchain
idea
to
me
that
the
biggest
concern
I
would
have
would
be
security,
so
you
know
with
blockchain
and
so
what
our
imeem,
because
people
are
trying
to
hack
everything
all
the
time.
So
how
do
you?
A
How
do
you
stay
current
if
you're,
if
you're,
building
kind
of
this,
if
you're?
Using
this
token
scripts
I
mean
it
seems
like
to
me
that
you
would
spend
all
your
time
just
fighting
cybercrime?
You
know
people
trying
to
break
in
your
wallets
or,
or
you
know,
trying
to
steal
keys
or
whatever
that
the
access
point
would
be
I
mean.
How
do
you
stay
current
against
those
that
you
know
had
a
devious,
intent.
B
There's
a
just
my
general
public
talk
about
security
normally
is
involved
many
parts,
not
only
security
itself
like
a
trust,
custodian
or
custodian.
So
it's
like
an
overall
topic,
but
then
but
security
is
definitely
number
one
important
thing
not
only
for
our
user
platform
of
ivali
also
have
been
considered.
In
the
token
script
is
I
write
as
well
yeah,
but.
B
Issues
you
need
to
use
the
best
technology
to
to
pull
to
protect
the
security.
For
example,
half
of
all
a
on
the
mobile
side.
It
is
the
first
mobile
first
mobile
blockchain
volley,
which
is
using
the
secure
Enclave
on
the
mobile
phone
itself.
So
this
this
tastes
like
a
provide
extra
security
for
the
user,
so
that
makes
a
you're,
probably
key
on
your
mobile
aiesec
you
as
like
an
Apple
pay
and
repay
because
they're
too
hacker
to
hack
your
private
key
or
you
know
family.
You
will
need
to
hack
the
secure
Enclave.
B
Oh,
you
are
mobile
hardware,
so
it's
like
a
super
secure,
but
still
there's
a
way,
there's
more
way
to
improve
their
security.
For
example,
like
a
using
extra
hardware
Wally,
along
with
the
software
Wally
right,
keep
your
priority,
always
in
a
cold
storage
place.
Why
no
use
it!
You
can
still
interact
with
the
software
itself.
No,
but
it's
a
it's
a
it's!
A
the
the
technology
itself,
there's
a
security
consideration
and
there's
also
like
a
other
level
of
a
security
consideration.
For
example,
why
we
designed
a
token
script?
Is
the
ISM?
B
A
B
How
to
explain
currently,
for
example,
why
you're
using
using
something
is
the
cold
iris,
a
is
provided
by
the
by
the
website
or
the
web
service
itself
and
in
the
web.
Sweeties
are
in
the
total
script
is,
and
that
is
actually
all
provided
by
you.
So
the
website
is
just
displays.
Something
provided
by
you.
Even
the
code
is,
is
even
the
code
to
rendering
that
that
this
place
also
comes
from
your
cell.
So
this
is
them
this.
B
A
Right
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
whole
idea
behind
kind
of
the
blockchain
you
know
idea
is,
is
just
this
continually.
You
know
piecing
together
of
the
the
various
components
in
the
chain
in
essence
that
that
you
know
would
have
their
own
built-in
security
would
have
their
own.
You
know
mechanism
for
operation
and
I'm
I'm
getting
quickly
over
my
head
here,
but
but
just
that's
guess
from
a
layman's
perspective,
that's
kind
of
the
the
idea
of
this.
You
know
that
you're
building
on
is
as
they
you
know,
so,
there's
there's
virtually
strength
in
diversification.
A
Maybe
I
guess
if
you
can
look
at
it
as
as-
and
there
was
a
book
a
long
time
ago,
that
talked
about
the
kind
of
the
blue
ocean
strategy
that
you
know
you
you're
just
it's.
It's
such
a
diverse
field
out
there
that
there
is
actually
strengthened
almost
unanimity
or
or
diversity.
You
know
versus,
are
and
security
in
that,
but
so
I
walked
me
through
the
the
idea.
So
how
when
was
alpha
alpha
wallet
launched
it's.
B
Is
quite
difficult,
maybe
being
changing,
we've
been
changing
the
growing
strategy
several
times
at
the
very
beginning.
We
are
focusing
on
Korean
past,
like
more
for
more
focus
on
developer.
We
coded
a
business
to
developer
to
consumer
B
D
sticker
in
past.
So
we
did
a
lot
of
free
workshop.
I
do
educate
the
standard
cinema,
those
kind
of
things
and
meet
up
to
meet
with
developer,
to
teach
them
how
to
use
token
squid
how
to
use
our
volley
to
build
whatever
idea
they
have.
B
So
then
we
we
try
to
see
by
the
we
shoot
directly
facing
the
consumer,
and
that
is
also
not
very
successful.
Although
we
we
taking
some
growth
on
the
on
the
on
the
user
base,
but
it's
not
the
significant
growth,
for
example.
During
that
time,
we
are
more
focusing
on
the
crypto
native
user,
like
a
providing
better
user
experience
for
defy
for
photo
user
for
crypto
game
user
for
crypto
owner
or
those
people
who
receive
in
crypto
as
our
salary
that
type
of
user.
B
A
B
All
after
first
thing,
the
crypto
user
itself
is
a
it's
very
small
group
of
people
considered
overall
Internet
user
and
then
for
those
are
the
ones
to
user
who
use
defy
using
power
using
those
those
are
more
advanced
the
function
in
crypto.
They
are
even
smaller
group
of
people
who
is
it's
a
super
hot
tool
to
really
intensify
them
and
also
growing
a
significant
user
base
there.
B
A
It's
always
together.
So
what's
what
is
the
purpose
of
alpha
wha?
It's
easy
to
understand
that
the
purpose
of
token
script,
especially
from
a
developer
side,
but
what's
the
what's
the
b2b
to
see
you
know
business
to
business,
to
consumer?
What's
that
chain
for
alpha
wallet,
so
walk
me
through
a
scenario:
if
I'm
a
business
and
you're
pitching
me,
you
know
to
use
alpha
wallet
or
to
provide
alpha
wallet
to
your
customer
base
or
whatever.
What
does
that
look
like
so.
B
If
you
are
you
man,
if
you
are,
you
might
organizer
or
if
you
are
thinking
platform
who
have
rights
to
issuing
in
mind
a
case,
then
you
can
use
token
script
to
tokenize
your
romantic
aides
and,
on
the
same
time,
you
can
alpha
warning.
So
that
means
a
make.
A
white
label
alpha
volley,
your
own
branded,
alpha
warning
and
customize.
That
piece
of
software
make
it
as
your
own
branded
ticketing
application,
and
this
is
a
super
easy
and
fast
compare
race.
B
If
you
do
the
localization,
your
yourself
with
some
other
type
rim,
and
you
will
also
need
to
have
a
user
platform
for
your
user
to
access
whatever
rights
you
tokenized
and
I
use
a
platform.
If
you,
if
you
have
a
developer
team
to
develop
it,
it
will
cost
you
at
least
six
six
to
twelve
months
to
have
a
full
functional
user
platform
and.
B
A
lot
of
money,
and
because
of
the
as
I
mentioned,
half
of
all,
is
not
like
any
other
crypto
world
is
more
like
a
browser.
That
means
whatever
website
you
threw
in.
It
will
instantly
provide
all
those
functions
and
that
website
is
written
like
a
written
by
us
through
token
script.
So
that
means
therefore
business
is
super
easy.
They
just
write
a
website.
They
make
a
token
and
then
destroy
it
in
our
wallet
and
make
some
a
UI
change.
Customize
some
user
experience
flow
for
their
use
case
and
instantly.
A
Is
amazing
that
is
amazing,
so
so
speaking
of
kind
of
the
blockchain
II
currency,
you
know
type
thingy.
So
it
seemed
like
to
me
about
12
to
18
months
ago
there
was
a.
There
was
a
huge
interest
in
bitcoin
and
litecoin
aetherium
I
mean
those
those
tend
to
be
the
three
that
you
know
that
I
think
of
first
and
I
mean
like
Bitcoin
was
just
taking
off
exponentially.
I
mean
it
just
the
the
price
of
Bitcoin,
just
just
rose
at
a
dramatic
rate,
and
then
it
just
seemed
like
it
either
leveled
off
or
it
crashed.
A
You
know
for
a
while,
and
it
just
seems
like
it's
just
been
kind
of
creeping
back
up.
You
know
very
slowly
and
just
kind
of
like
like
it's.
It
goes
up
a
little
bit.
It
goes
down.
A
little
bit
goes
up
a
little
bit.
It
goes
down
a
little
bit.
What
do
you
think
is
the
future
of
a
currency
and
using
that,
as
as
an
exchange
I
mean,
do
you
see
that
we
will
move
more
toward
that?
And
you
know
why
hasn't
it
taken
off?
You
know
more
than
it
seems
like
it
has.
B
Definitely
is
the
is
the
direction,
but
the
reason
why
is
like
a
booming
up
and
the
top
dog?
This
mainly
comes
from
the
like
the
expectation
expectation
of
the
technology
itself.
It
seemed
is
everyone.
Thinking
is
kind
of
like
ready,
so
it's
the
whole
top
in,
but
it's
the
far
more
than
ready.
So
it's
just
you
still
at
a
very
early
stage.
You
know
so
the
investors,
active
investors,
expectation
and
technology
development
is
no
match.
So
it's
a
this.
This
type
of
things
is
happening
in
any
kind
of
technologies.
B
A
B
The
technology
itself
so
to
answer
why
1200
question
wise
thing
is
the
like
the
the
right
way
to
go.
It's
maybe
a
little
bit
long,
but
I
try
to
explain
it
as
clear
as
possible.
So
so,
if
let
me
see
so
if
he,
if
he,
if
he's,
if
he,
if
he,
if
you're
asking
what
is
the
utility
or
what
is
the
benefit
of
of
blockchain
or
what
problem
is
false
actually
is
for
me,
is
no
solving
any
problem,
it's
not
a
problem
solving
technology.
B
It
is
more
like
a
value
value,
adding
technology
and
what
is
the?
What
is
the?
What
is
the
true
value
it
is,
it
add
it
comes
from
two
sides.
One
side
is
the
is
them
after
you,
you
use
prochain
to
localize
some
rights,
so
I
mean
so
you
registry,
some
room.
Oh
you
have
seen
case
you
if
you
Registry
some
rice
on
blockchain.
After
you
doing
this,
that
means
the
rice
being
tokenized
after
tokenize
this
rice,
the
first
thing
is,
is
automatically
go
into
a
frictionless
market.
B
It
will
be
super
easy
to
transfer
to
to
to
be
trade
to
be
to
be
used
as
a
as
a
value
exchange
in
Dimitri,
but
that
is
the
knot.
This
is
a
big
thing,
but
I
think
another
Pig,
more
bigger
similes.
After
utilize,
the
rice,
then
it
can
become
like
an
integration
point
for
our
other
services
to
integrate
it
on
this.
On
this
token,
so
it's
like
a
providing
extra
integration
layer
for
the
whole
internet.
So
currently,
if
you're
thinking
how
integration
happiness
is
either
happen
between
two
parties
and
if
it
is
a
multiple
parties.
A
B
Those
big
platform,
and
then
they
achieve
the
integration
in
this
way.
That
is
because
those
big
platform
is
holding
holding
those
very
affordable
information
in
holding
those
rights,
and
if
you
put
those
rights
in
as
a
token
use
proctoring
to
talk,
restore
those
rights,
then
all
the
integration
can
happen
on
those
the
token
so,
instead
of
integrated
to
the
Buddha,
put
a
big
platform
right,
so
this
actually
gave
the
add
value
to
the
rights
itself,
so
through
them.
Mark
frictionless
market
side
is
actually
provide.
B
The
possibility
to
maximize
the
liquidity
of
the
rights
and
from
the
integration
side
is
actually
provide
the
possibility
to
maximize
the
utility
of
this
rice,
so
these
two
kissing
at
basic
value
to
the
rice
itself.
So
this
is
the
the
key
utility
or
the
key
benefit
of
using
blockchain.
If
you
were
saying
other
things
that
they
are
always
like,
other
technology
can
achieve
similar
things,
but.
A
B
A
B
A
Found
in
other
places,
so
I'm
I
want
to
pivot.
Just
just
a
little
bit
here
and
I'm
really
curious.
If
I
mean
it's
because
I
mean
you've
had
you've
had
a
you,
you
know,
you've
been
involved
with
a
start-up
you've
had
an
exit.
You
started
again
on
something
completely
different.
So
if
you
were,
if
you
were
just
waking
up
tomorrow
morning
and
you
had
you
had
money,
you
had
some
expertise,
but
you
did
not
have
a
business.
What
would
you
what
business
would
you
enter
tomorrow
morning?
A
B
I
need
yeah.
It
can
be
anything
it
will
be
still
the
if,
if,
if
I
have
the
opportunity
to
do
the
same
thing,
I'm
doing
now,
I
will
be
still.
Of
course.
This
is
the
first
number
one
choice,
but
if
I
don't
have
the
opportunity
and
I
was
still
trying
to
found
other
opportunities
in
the
in
the
in
the
along
with
the
blockchain
technology,
because
for
me,
is
I'm
a
30-30
statistics
and
I.
B
Think
for
me,
there's
there's
not
many.
This
kind
of
opportunity
in
my
whole
life,
like
the
internet,
mobile
internet,
buy
all
these
things
and
Broadway
is
definitely
something
as
important
as
this
right.
So
I
want
to
catch
this
last
opportunity,
but
is
no
not
really
for
for
for
for
money
success,
because
if
I
look
at
money,
there's
so
much
better
other
things,
I
can
do
to
make
more
money.
B
It's
more
like
the
fundamental
curiosity,
because
I
want
to
see
what
what
tokenized
the
word
looks
like
I
want
to
see
if
all
those
rights
being
tokenized
the
what
like
a
new
business
model
can
happen,
how
much
value
we
can
add
to
the
overall
economy.
What
can
be
a
future?
Even
something
like
I,
want
to
see
like
a
like
a
blockchain,
empowered,
a
whole
VR
world
like
a
virtual
world.
So
what
will
happen?
B
A
When
you
were,
when
you
were
a
younger
younger
child,
a
young
man
in
hardened
China,
did
you
did
you
think
about
these
things?
Did
you
or
did
you
let
your
imagination?
Did
you
look
up
in
the
sky?
Did
you
dream
about
Sunday
being
involved
in
anything
even
closely
related
to
this?
Did
you
did
you
really
want
to
change
the
world
when
you
were
in
Harbin
job
I.
B
Yes,
I
know
when
I,
when
I
was
much
younger.
Most
of
the
time
is
spending
on
many
useless
things
like
a
play
games
and
go
crabbing
all
those
other
things,
but
but
on
the
same
time
always
interest
I
always
have
the
curiosity
or
anything
so
I'd
like
to
try
all
the
new
things,
especially
tight,
really
teasing.
So
my
first
computer
is
the
current
item
is
called
the
tree.
There's
a
number
called
three
three
takes
something
like
that
is
a
very,
very,
very,
very
early
stage.
B
A
A
Apart
to
try
to
put
it
back
together
and
see
how
it
worked
at,
you
have
obviously
had
that
that
built
in.
So
if,
if
there
was
somebody,
that's
listening
that
that
was
wanting
to
start
just
virtually
any
business,
you
know
tomorrow,
you
know,
there's
there's
some
kind
of
fundamental
steps
and
fundamental
things
that
that
really
make
sense
to
you
know
to
help
people
out
that
you
know.
A
Based
on
your
experience,
what
are
what
are
two
or
three
key
steps
that
you,
you
think
you
would
like
if
you
were
starting
tomorrow
again,
what
are
two
or
three
basic
steps
that
you
had
to
take
that
you
think
would
benefit
somebody
listening,
say:
okay,
here's
three
steps
that
you've,
you
know
are
toots
two
steps
or
four
steps
or
whatever
these
are
the
things
that
you
need
to
do
to
launch
your
business.
What
would
they
be.
B
The
first
thing
is,
the
first
thing
is
idea
is
shape.
They
said,
if
you
only
have
ideas,
it
will
work.
So
it's
a
do.
You
need
to
have
the
experience
and
knowledge
not
for
doing
to
doing
the
things
you
want
to
do.
Otherwise,
it's
just
like
like
a
dream.
So
how
to
achieve
those
experiences
and
knowledge
is
I.
I
I
see
like
a
genius
people,
they
are
like
didn't,
didn't,
have
a
much
work.
Experience
didn't
have
much
industry
knowledge
and
then
they
just
jump
into
something
and
data
to
success.
B
But
this
is
a
very
I
can
say.
This
is
a
very
low
success
rate.
Right
and
don't
don't
think
yourself
is.
There
is
a
genie
yeah,
so
I
rather
prefer
the
long
and
hard
path
which
is,
if
you
have
this
this
as
soon
as
you
have
this
this
things
in
mind,
you
want
to
start
your
own
business
and
you
need
to
start
learning
what
you
need,
what
you
need
to
have
to
achieve
this
business
and
the
planet
in
your
head,
where
you
can
keep
this
type
of
experience
where
you
can
learn
this
type
of
knowledge.
B
For
example,
on
my
own,
my
size
through
my
past
is
like
a
the
first
job.
I
learned
how
to
how
to
do
sales
and
PD
and
I
started
learning
how
to
do
PR
marketing
and
then
I
started
learning
how
to
do
accounting.
How
to
understand
the
basic
accounting
knowledge
and
also
the
legal
knowledge
to
have
enough
knowledge
to
to
run
to
study.
B
B
A
You
mentioned
and,
and
the
whole
idea
of
just
you
know
getting
the
right
people
together.
You
know
that
to
form
the
right
team
that
that
you
know
fill
that
work
well
together,
but
also
bring
skills
together
that
that
you
need
to
to
make
this
successful.
So
I
love
that
I
appreciate
you,
you
kind
of
framing
that
and
it's
good,
but
that's
you
know
part
of
our
rising
tide,
startup
school,
that
you
know
we
want
to
have
that
little
segment
that
that
we
people
can
just
kind
of
hone
in
on
that
are
wanting
to
start
anything.
A
We
want
to
every
every
chat
that
we
have
on
rising
tide.
We
want
to
kind
of
draw
that
out
of
the
guests
that
says:
okay,
here's
two
or
three
things
that
you
you
could
pass
on
to
someone
else.
You
know
that
it's
wanting
to
start
something
you
know
soon
or
tomorrow,
or
maybe
you've
just
gotten
started
on
something.
That's
just
you
know
we'll
help
them.
You
know
to
to
not
make
some
of
the
same
mistakes
that
we
made.
As
we
were
doing.
A
B
A
Dot,
o-r-g,
okay
and
and
Victor
I.
You
know
we
linked
up
on
LinkedIn
and
Victor
was
very
responsive
and
you
know
to
me
reaching
out
to
him
and
asking
him
to
come
on
the
show
and
Victor
I
just
really
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
today
and
and
I'm
sorry
that
you're
having
to
deal
with
the
coronavirus
and
you
know
having
to
work
remotely
when
you
don't
really
want
to,
but
I
just
really
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
and
just
sharing
with
us
and
actually
just
giving
us
a
masterclass
on
kind
of
the
blockchain.