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Presenter: Dr. Mia Bloom
Institution: Georgia State University
A
The
pleasure
to
introduce
our
guest
speaker,
Dr
Mia,
bloom,
so
Dr
Bloom,
is
the
International
Security
fellow
at
the
new
America
and
a
professor
at
Georgia
State
University
Bloom,
conducts
research
in
Europe,
the
middle
east
and
south
Asia
and
speaks
eight
languages.
She's
the
author
of
six
books
and
over
70
articles
on
violent
extremism,
including
dying
to
build
the
Allure
of
suicide
Terror
living
together
after
ethnic
killing
bombshell,
women
in
Terror
and
Small
Arms
children
and
Terror,
and
pastels
and
pedophiles
Inside.
The
Mind
of
Q
Anon
I
mean
Sofia
moscalenko.
A
A
She
serves
on
the
counter
radicalization
Boards
of
the
Anti-Defamation
League,
the
U.N
counter-terrorism
executive
directorate
and
women
Without
Borders
Dr
Bloom
has
a
PHD
in
political
science
from
Columbia
University
Masters
in
Arab
studies
from
Georgetown
and
bachelors
in
Russian,
Islamic,
Middle,
Eastern
studies
from
Magill
and
are
pre-doctorate
from
Harvard
Center
for
international
studies
and
post
doctorate
from
Princeton,
University
and
I
can
tell
you.
This
is
the
most
attendance
we
have
ever
received
for
the
the
working
group
meeting.
A
B
Am
I
unmuted?
Now?
Yes,
yes,
that's
perfect,
so
I
started
with
the
find
production
and
his
presentation
that
I
gave
to
his
friends.
You
know
for
Kathleen
Carly
I
guess
it
was
about
a
little.
Over
a
year
ago,
I
noticed
a
lot
of
the
people,
I
reduced
yourselves
to
your
computer
science
or
influence
and
I'm
political
science.
B
So
this
is
going
to
be
a
little
bit
different,
but
then
the
other
thing
is
to
keep
in
mind
that
as
being
forward,
we
have
to
understand
how
each
of
these
different
fields
feed
off
of
one
each
other
and
cross-pollinate.
So
there
might
be
one
slide
that,
for
you
is
laughable,
because
sometimes
I
present
this
to
non-computer
science
and
non-information
science,
people
so
I
have
to
explain
what
AI
is.
But
hopefully
the
reservation
is
new,
interesting.
B
So
I
introduced
my
my
research.
The
reason
I
put
this
up
is
to
remember
my
recent
funded
for
the
last
13
years
by
the
Office
of
Naval
Research,
to
give
you
disclaimer
that
any
mistakes
I
make
are
my
own
and
that
I
do
not
represent
the
or
of
the
Navy
I
notice,
in
the
chat
that
my
voice
apparently
is
coming
extremely
across.
B
A
A
B
That
meeting
was
kind
enough
to
mention
and
I'm
just
waiting
to
hear
on
the
new
book
and
I've
already
pitched
the
next
book
for
something
a
little
different
to
look
State
terrorism,
because
a
lot
of
research
has
been
done
on
non-state
actors,
but
no
one
has
said
the
country
played
terrorism
against
their
civilians.
I
will
be
extremely
unpopular
with
textbook.
B
B
So
the
problem
is
that
there's
been
an
overabundance
of
on
Jihadi
extremism
and
very
much
at
the
neglect
of
the
far
right.
The
other
thing
that's
been
problematic.
Aside
from
the
over
emphasis
on
Islamic,
you
know
fundamentalism
or
terrorism.
Despite
the
fact
that
we
know
from
the
data,
for
example,
from
new
America,
ADL
and
other
source,
that's
75
of
the
terrorist
attacks
in
the
United
States
since
9
11
have
been
far
right:
domestic
groups
and
not
shihadi
groups.
B
But
when
you
look
at
the
literature
and
also
when
you
look
at
the
way
the
funding
has
been
structured.
There
has
been
an
over-reliance
on
looking
at
this.
One
group
and
I
think
it's
one
of
the
reasons
why,
for
example,
the
country
was
unprepared
for
January
6th,
because
either
people
were
unaware
or
refused
that
so
much
of
the
domestic
extremism
was
coming
from
Within
These
far
right,
Echo
Chambers.
B
Everything
I
noticed
and
I
was
done,
studying
Jihadi
groups
in
particularly
looking
at
their
social
media
and
their
online
recruitment
strategies
was
that
the
they
became
very
propaganda
that
you
would
have
a
massive
Global
penetration
of
a
message
through
social
media
like
Facebook
or
Twitter.
Here
is
an
example
in
2014
I
think
it
was
July
was
an
Australian
giotti
who
stole
his
brother's
passport
and
he
he
went
to
join
Isis
along
with
five
children
posted
an
image
of
his
at
the
time
nine-year-olds
holding
a
set
of
head.
B
Well,
it
wasn't
long
on
Twitter
before
was
there
in
terms
of
the
traditional
print
media,
the
same
image
appeared,
and
not
only
on
print
media,
also
television,
media
So
within
24
hours.
This
one
image
it
cross-cut
Australia,
you
see
here
from
CNN
in
the
U.S
it
was
in
the
UK,
it
was
in
Canada
and
so,
as
a
result,
I
think
many
of
these
groups
realize
the
value
of
social
media
in
penetrating.
You
know
all
corners
of
the
earth
and
sunnating
the
message.
B
B
when
many
of
the
social
media
companies
based
in
Silicon
Valley
clamped
down
on
Jihadi
materials,
so,
for
example,
Twitter
Facebook,
Google
YouTube,
all
of
them
were
instructed
to
shut
down
as
quickly
as
possible
any
kind
of
content,
whereas
having
remained
a
venue
for
these
groups
up
until
late
2019..
So
in
other
words,
when
you
hear
a
book
or
Twitter
or
Google
Now,
say
it's
impossible
to
rid
the
platform
of
hate
speech
or
this
particular
terrorist
group.
B
We
know
that's
not
true,
because
they
were
very,
very
able
to
do
it
for
the
Jihadi
groups
again
despite
having
very
Arabic
language
speakers,
but
one
of
the
things
I
was
able
to
observe.
This
was
a
nerve
award
was
that
there
are
different
kinds
of
things
that
they
were
hosting,
and
so
a
lot
of
this
is
very
much
from
like
the
psychologies
experiments
of
BF
Skinner,
that
they.
A
B
B
We
were
able
to
observe
the
differences
between
what
was
being
said
in
Arabic,
what
was
being
said
in
French
Russian
English,
but
also
there
were
certain
behavioral
elements
that
we
were
able
to
observe
that
all
became
very
relevant
for
understanding
how
the
social
media
online
space
was
being
used
to
recruit
and
retain
followers
next
slide.
Please.
B
So
in
the
chat
room,
so
here's
here's
it's.
This
is
a
true
story,
an
interesting
one.
So
you
know
when
I
originally
wrote
this
proposal,
I
had
an
assistant
who
was
an
Arabic
speaker
and
then
they
left,
and
so
my
Arabic
was
a
little
bit.
Rusty
I
hadn't
studied
Arabic
since
the
90s.
So
at
a
certain
point
having
to
do
this
project,
I
was
collecting
things
that
were
not
strictly
channels,
because
the
proposal
was
to
collect
from
the
official
channels.
B
We
ended
up
getting
a
lot
of
chats,
but
in
getting
the
chats
we
got
additional
sources
of
data
and
information.
For
example,
we
could
identify
keynodes
within
the
network,
and
this
is
very
much
influenced.
Kathleen
Carly's
work
on
Dynamic
social
networks
to
see
the
role
played
by
individual
administrators.
So
here
is
a
sampling,
for
example,
six
of
a
guy
that
he
went
by
the
name
shadook
we
found
out
accidentally
once
his
name
is
Mustafa
and
Mustafa.
B
B
They
were
looking
for
researchers.
They
were
looking
for
infiltrations
by
security
officials,
the
other
things
that
happened
both
with
the
channels
and
chats
is
you
had
30
minutes
to
link
to
it.
So
let's
say
you'd
be
on
telegram
Channel,
you
know
and
they
advertised
a
new
channel.
If
you
didn't
click
on
it
within
30
minutes,
you
lost
access
to
the
channel
and
what
that
actually
ended
up
doing.
B
B
The
chat
rooms
and
the
channels
employed,
a
lot
of
you,
know
visually
attractive
materials.
One
of
the
things
is
that
they
understood
very
well
that
they
had
different
constituencies
to
which
they
needed
to
appeal.
So
the
18
to
30
male
group,
very
often
Gamers
or
people
who
played
Call
of
Duty,
could
relate
to
these
memes.
So
instead
of
Call
of
Duty,
it
was
Call
of
jihad
or
it
was
you
know,
call
of
jihad
respawn
in
Jannah
in
heaven,
respawn,
meaning
your
new
life
for
the
gamers
people
aren't
gamers
in
the
room.
B
So
a
lot
of
this
was
centered
around
this
notion
of
different
kinds
of
what
we
would
call
not
push
factors
about
grievances,
but
pull
factors,
things
that
people
benefited
from,
and
so
they
pushed
this
idea
of
belonging,
Brotherhood
and
Jihadi
cool
and
you'll
see
that
out
of
King's
College
in
London
Rafi
pantucci
talks
about
from
from
Zero
to
Hero.
In
other
words,
people
who
were
feeling
like
their
lives
were
not
particularly
valuable.
Now
this
gave
them
the
chance
to
do
something
really
great
next
slide.
Please.
B
So,
for
example,
if
let's
say
just
as
an
example
of
Hyder
wanted,
you
know
had
a
question
or
looked
at
the
group
all
of
a
sudden
now
on
his
Facebook,
he
would
have
a
hundred
new
friend
requests
on
his
Twitter.
He
would
have
500
new
followers.
It
was
a
kind
of
love
bombing,
but
in
the
virtual
space-
and
in
doing
so,
people
became
very
dependent
emotionally
on
the
validation
that
they
were
getting
in
these
online
spaces
and
again
this.
What
this
does
is
exploiting
the
individual.
B
You
know
anomy
or
isolation,
as
you
can
imagine.
We
understand
that
better
now,
after
two
and
a
half
years
of
pandemic,
but
you
know
when
we
were
doing
this
research
in
2017
2019,
we
didn't
realize
how
lonely
and
isolated
and
dependent
online
people
were,
and
so
again
this
variable
schedule
of
reinforcement,
which
is
a
psychological
term
from
BF
Skinner,
was
that
it
wasn't
always
the
same
content.
The
content
varied,
so
you
didn't
lose
interest.
Sometimes
it
was
a
meme.
Sometimes
it
was
a
Nasheed,
a
sort
of
a
a
musical
prayer.
B
B
We
were
able
to
see
certain
things
in
the
planning
stages,
reported
them
to
relevant
security
agencies,
and
these
things
were
the
things
that
were
prevented,
and
so
in
essence,
the
government
was
very
excited
for
its
very,
very
small
amount
of
research
money
for
this
project.
We
we
were
actually
able
to
prevent
a
lot
of
things.
You
know
the
dogs
that
didn't
bark
next
slide.
B
So
it's
you
know
it's
conceivable
that
you
think
okay
well,
there's
a
lot
of
boasting
and
bullshitting
that's
online,
and
we
know
this
from
post,
but
you
know
at
least
in
two
of
the
instances.
This
is
the
one
against
Prince
George
the
individual
was
arrested
and
is
now
in
jail.
So
we
know
that
not
all
the
things
that
we
saw
and
reported
were
just
empty
boasts.
B
Okay,
now
I
know
who
I'm
talking
to
so
I'm,
not
going
to
go
through
this
in
great
detail,
but
because
we
had
tens
of
thousands
of
images-
and
you
know
human
annotators
could
do
only
so
much
one
of
the
things
working
with
my
computer
science
grad
student
bash.
We
used
you
know
very
basic
machine
learning
in
order
to
go
through
the
materials
and
teach
the
computer.
How
to
see
the
image
the
way
the
human
eye
sees
it
and
and
again
I
know
this
might
be
very
redundant
for
you
all.
B
But,
for
example,
the
image
the
story
that
exists
for
machine
learning
tends
to
be
beautifully,
lit,
centered
pictures
with
no
Distortion
or
noise,
whereas
images
in
real
life
are
not
that
way.
You
know
like
the
Coke
can,
let's
say,
let's
say,
for
instance,
for
AI,
you
said:
Coke
can
you're
gonna
get
a
beautifully
lit
Coke
can
against
the
backdrop
of
nothing
right,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
dirty.
There
isn't
going
to
be.
You
know
a
partial
View.
Now
the
human
eye
can
see
a
Coke.
B
Can
the
back
of
the
canner
the
side
of
the
can
and
recognize
it
as
a
Coke
can
in
part,
because
that's
how
our
brains
function?
We
you
know
when
there's
missing
data,
the
brain
fills
it
in
the
computer
really
wasn't
initially
able
to
do
that.
So
with
every
iteration
of
the
machine
learning
the
computer's
ability
to
recognize
a
person,
a
gun,
a
truck
got
better
and
again.
This
is
other
thing
in
the
thesaura.
You
don't
have
images
with
multiple
things
in
it.
B
So
in
doing
so,
we
were
developing
a
kind
of
algorithm
for
machine
learning
that
was
a
little
bit
more
sophisticated
and
more
reflective
of
real
world
imagery
next
slide,
please
so.
For
example,
we
created
the
documenting
the
virtual
platform
so
that
you
could
do
searches,
and
you
see
you
can
check
off
a
box
and
say
I'm,
looking
for
all
the
assault,
rifles
or
I'm
looking
for
all
the
beheadings
and
then
what
happens?
Is
you
get
a
selection
of
images?
B
You
click
on
you
get
the
image,
but
then
you
know
we
live
in
2022
well
at
the
time
2020
and
we
had
to
put
in
something
like
okay.
What?
If
we
need
trigger
warnings,
so
you
could
tick
off
that
you
don't
want
to
see
Violent
content
next
slide.
So
in
the
next
slide
you
have
the
exact
same
image,
but
we
you
know,
we
took
out
the
blood,
so
you
don't
see
the
bloody
body.
B
B
We
got
up
to
89
in
terms
of
accuracy,
and
you
know
if
we
decide
to
move
forward
with
the
project.
We
probably
there's
more
sophisticated
tools
now,
two
years
later
that
can
be
applied,
but
in
essence
this
was
a
very
useful
tool
to
be
able
to
improve
the
quality
of
machine
learning,
but
also
the
caveats
about
the
fact
that
these
thesauri
are
imperfect,
because
real
world
doesn't
happen
well
lit
without
any
kind
of
noise
or
or
or
occlusions
next
slide.
Please.
B
So
the
information
online
was
used
to
instill
fear
and
radicalize
others,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
started
to
notice
with
Isis
is
that
there
was
a
lot
of
what
we
would
Now
call
fake
news.
So,
for
example,
they
took
credit
for
the
Las
Vegas
attack
that
killed
53
people,
despite
the
fact
that
Paddock
Stephen
Paddock
this
is
the
gentleman
here-
was
not
a
Muslim
and
not
perpetrating
this
for
Isis.
B
B
B
So
they
they
were
advertising
all
these
attacks
that
they
had
perpetrated,
including
you
know,
San,
Bernardino
and
including
the
Pulse
Nightclub,
except
for
the
fact
that
they
have
San,
Bernardino
and
Orlando,
both
in
Florida
and
I'm.
Thinking.
If
you
don't
know
where
San
Bernardino
is,
you
probably
did
not
plan
that
attack,
but
these
were
the
people
who
claimed
to
have
been
inspired
by
ISIS
and
so
Isis
was,
like
sure,
we'll
take
it
now.
B
B
B
What
we
started
to
see
in
March
of
2020
was
spikes
in
queue
on
activity
that
corresponded
with
the
lockdowns
and
the
stay
home
measures
and
so
they're
very
intimately
connected
to
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
its
popularity
next
slide,
please
Q
Anon
was
pretty
much
a
fringe
conspiracy
until
the
pandemic,
and
a
lot
of
what's
in
Q
Anon
would
be
familiar
to
people
who
study,
for
example,
anti-Semitism,
because
you
know
a
global
cabal.
That
is
manipulating
things.
B
B
B
B
So
this
included,
you
know
the
the
left-wing
yoga
moms
and
women
on
the
far
left,
including
women,
on
the
far
right
and
and
so
by
using
this
hashtag,
which
is
named
after
a
real
charity,
save
the
children.
It
really
helped
them
move
away
from
sort
of
the
semi-encrypted
platforms
of
4chan.
A
Chan
Aid
Kuhn
onto
things
like
Facebook
and
Instagram,
thus
making
it
much
more
popular
and
and
influencing
more
people
next
slide,
please,
and
so.
According
to
the
Wall
Street
Journal,
it
was
a
600
increase
with
the
covid-19
lockdowns
next
slide.
B
This
has
been
reiterated
in
2021
by
Merrick
garlands
and
by
the
head
of
Department
of
Homeland
Security,
Alejandro
mayorcas,
so
Sophia
and
I
said
Dr,
muskolenko
and
I,
who
have
spent
our
entire
career,
studying
radicalization
and
terrorism
thought.
Oh
well.
Let's
look
at
Q
Anon.
You
know
from
the
vantage
point
of
two
people
who
understand
terrorism
and
radicalization
fairly
well
and
what
we
found
is
from
2018
to
2020.
B
There
were
12
incidents,
half
of
which
were
perpetrated
by
women,
but
there
was
only
one
that
might
have
even
you
know,
met
the
bar
as
being
a
potential
terrorist
threat.
That's
when
the
Hoover
Dam
was
threatened,
some
guy
threatened
to
blow
up
Hoover
Dam
with
a
van
full
of
explosives
and
because
that's
a
an
infrastructure,
that's
why
it
would
qualify
as
a
terrorist
attack,
but
most
of
the
other
stuff
was
highly
personal.
B
You
know
parents
killing
their
own
children
because
they
thought
that
they
had
Serpentine
DNA
or
women
kidnapping
their
own
kids
when
they
lost
custody.
So
most
of
the
crimes
that
were
perpetrated
would
be
very
interpersonal
in
nature.
Next
slide,
please,
the
other
thing
is
was
very
intimately
connected
with
Republicans
and
with
president
Trump,
so,
for
example,
starting
in
October
of
2018,
so
it's
been
around
for
a
year.
You
start
seeing
cue
signs
and
Q
and
on
people
showing
up
at
Trump
rallies.
B
This
is
one
year
you
can
see
it's
with
Governor
DeSantis
in
Florida.
I
think
this
would
have
been
in
Orlando
next
slide.
Please,
and
when
you
looked
at
the
primary
two
years
ago,
in
the
summer
of
2020,
there
were
97
different
candidates
who
were
basing
their
platforms
with
Q
Anon,
I
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
call
it
an
ideology,
but
you
know
basically,
they
were
97.
Q
Anon
candidates
of
the
97
24
1
their
their
primaries
and
went
on
to
the
November
election.
22
of
those
were
Republicans.
B
Two
were
Independents
like
very
strong
supporters
of
Bernie
Sanders
and
in
the
election
of
2020,
only
2-1
and
those
they've
become
quite
Infamous,
now
Lauren
bobert
and
Marjorie
Taylor
green.
Interestingly
enough,
we've
seen
in
the
last
primary
more
Q
Anon
people
have
won,
for
example,
Doug
mastriano,
who
is
going
to
be
running
for
I,
guess,
governor
of
Pennsylvania.
B
B
They're
using
I,
don't
know
who's
using
whom
they're
either
using
the
Republican
party
in
order
to
gain
power
for
their
individuals
like
green
and
bobert,
or
the
Republican
Party
sees
them
as
useful
idiots,
and
so
they
don't
want
to
disavow
the
Q
Anon
claims,
despite
the
fact
that
initially
people
like
Kevin
McCarthy
was
very
anti-marjury,
Taylor
green,
but
because
they
won,
they
can't
say
anything
and
they
understand
very
clearly
that
of
an
important
Chunk
in
their
base.
Believes
this
crazy
conspiracy
next
next
slide,
please.
B
The
other
concern
was
the
extent
to
which
people
in
the
military
and
separately
law
enforcement
believed
in
it
and
the
reason
I
mentioned.
This
is
partly
because
in
July
of
2020,
so
for
July,
4th
Michael
Flynn,
the
disgraced
former
Lieutenant
General,
basically
uploaded
a
video
of
him
and
his
family
pledging
allegiance
to
Q
Anon
and,
if
you're
familiar
at
all
with
Isis.
B
We
didn't
know
this
until
Post
January
6
2021,
but
when
you
look
at
the
arrests,
around
j6
20
are
either
active
or
retired
military,
so
the
military
and
law
enforcement
clearly
have
been
infiltrated,
but
the
reason
that
this
is
important
is
that
the
caveat
to
what
mallorcas
and
Christopher
Ray
was
saying
about
the
potential
for
terrorism.
My
argument
instead
is
that
if
someone
is
a
U.S
military
trained
individual
and
believes
in
Q
Anon,
the
part
that
makes
them
dangerous
is
the
U.S
military
training,
not
the
belief
in
the
blood
drinking
cabal.
B
But
if
you
combine
that
or
if
you
had
intersectionality
between
Q
Anon
and
proud
boys
or
Q,
Anon
and
Patriot
front
Q,
Anon
and
KKK
Q
Anon
and
three
percenters,
those
are
the
people
who
were
most
dangerous
and
those
were
the
people,
for
example,
with
the
zip
ties
at
the
Capitol.
On
January
6th
next
slide,
please.
B
What
we
did
was
we
looked
at
from
you
know
before
the
parlay
was
taken
off
of
Amazon
web
hosting.
We
looked
at
uploads
of
videos
of
what
people
did
on
January,
6
and
crosstab,
that
with
the
bait,
location
of
military
bases
and
each
of
those
red
dots
are
military
bases
that
uploaded
videos
of
themselves
from
January
6th.
So
the
military
is
a
little
bit
reticent
to
acknowledge
that
there
is
a
serious
problem.
B
In
the
last
statement
by
General,
Austin
they've,
now
amended
rules
of
the
military
and
Rules
of
Engagement
you're
no
longer
allowed
to
share
social
media
that
would
be
considered
unpatriotic
or
you're
no
longer
you're
allowed
to
post
racist
materials
like
all
of
the
stuff
that
previously
was
protected,
now
falls
under
the
category
of
forbidden
in
the
U.S
military,
so
next
slide
social
media.
Finally
clamped
down
in
advance
of
the
election.
B
Now
it's
worth
worth
mentioning
that
Reddit,
which
was
one
of
the
earlier
venues
for
Q
Anon,
like
they
had
Reddit
threads
like
Calm
before
the
storm
or
the
coming
storm,
the
sing
with
storm,
that's
sort
of
the
also
part
of
the
ideology.
They
took
Q
non
materials
down
in
2018,
but
it
took
two
years
for
Facebook,
Twitter,
Google
and
so
on.
B
To
do
it-
and
it
was,
as
we
know
from
the
was
her
name-
is
Francis
howland's,
testimony
before
Congress
that
those
filters
were
taken
off
after
the
election,
and
so
we
saw
the
danger
of
January
6,
but
from
nov
from
about
the
summer
of
2020.
Until
right
after
the
election,
those
those
safety
filters
were
actively
working
to
either
de-platform
Q
Anon
influencers
or
to
limit
the
the
influence
of
that
material.
Next
slide,
please,
and
so
you
see
Twitter
YouTube,
Facebook
even
Etsy,
and
this
is
all
from
the
summer
of
2020.
next
slide.
B
Interestingly
enough,
just
like
Isis
after
the
de-platforming
Q
Anon
supporters
were
instructed
to
change
the
way
that
they
posted.
So
what
Isis
was
people
who
followed
Isis,
they
were
told.
Well,
don't
put
Isis
put
I5
I5,
so
people
understand
that
it
looks
like
Isis,
but
it's
not
so
or
or
they
were
told,
for
example,
with
Q
Anon
put
17
and
on
because
Q
was
the
17th
letter
or
a
misspell,
and
a
lot
of
these
efforts
at
camouflage
were
things
that
we
saw
Isis
doing
in
20.
You
know
in
2016,
so
you
know
some
of
these.
B
B
And
this
is
what
I'm
talking
about
with
the
intersectionality,
with
the
overlap
there's
an
overlap
between
the
people
who
believed
in
Q
Anon,
who
were
anti-vaccine
anti-5g
anti-mask.
They
were
participating
in
stop
the
steel
and
so
Q
Anon
beliefs
can
be
held
at
the
same
time
with
other
adjacent
conspiracy
beliefs
in
the
fact
that
the
government
is
overreaching,
its
Authority,
and
so
this
is
the
this
is
the
don't
tread
on
me
sign,
but
instead
of
saying,
don't
tread
on
me.
B
Now
this
became
this
initially
December.
25Th
2020
was
assumed
that
the
national
explosion
across
the
street
from
the
ATT
building
was
associated
with
Q
Anon.
This
was
Christmas
day
of
2020
and
I
I've
done
some
work
with
the
Nashville
FBI
and
they
actually
think
that
Quinn
was
just
nuts,
and
so
this
was
not
the
case
of
Q
Anon
terrorism.
B
But,
of
course
you
can
imagine,
everybody
was
waiting
for
Q
on
terrorism,
so
when
they
saw
somebody
who
was
kind
of
nuts
and
believed
in
conspiracy
theories,
they
said
aha,
but
this
is
again
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
to
be
cautious
with
jumping
to
the
conclusion.
When
there's
an
event
next
slide,
please
and
j6
was
I-
think
what
most
people
associate
now
with
Q
Anon.
This
is
a
picture
of
Jacob
chansley.
This
is
the
Q
Anon,
shame
and
he's
in
jail.
B
He's
the
one
that's
been
requesting
organic
vegan
food
and
you
can
see
he's
face
painted
his
body
is
covered
in
tattoos
next
slide,
so
he's
easy
to
spot
in
a
crowd.
In
other
words,
when
you
look
at
the
tattoos,
you
start
to
see
the
right
wing
extremism
influence.
These
are
all
Nordic
tattoos
that
are
used
by
the
far
right,
whether
it's
the
tree
of
life
or
or
Thor's
hammer.
B
These
are
all
images
at
the
far
right
has
adopted,
because
the
far
the
the
neo-nazis
think
that
they're
direct
descendants
of
the
Vikings
I'm
not
going
to
get
into
I
don't
have
time
to
get
into
the
fact
that
the
Vikings
were
heavily
influenced
by
Islam
because
they
were
trading
in
the
Middle
East
well
before
anyone
else,
but
that
freaked
them
out
when
they
found
in
a
viking
tomb.
It
was
like
it
was
a
handicraft
stitched
and
the
stitching
said,
and
they
freaked
out
that
they
found
this
in
a
viking
tomb.
B
So
you've
got
like
you've
got
these
white
guys
who
think
that
the
Vikings
are
like
the
preeminent
white
people
and
I
I
enjoyed
that
I
enjoyed
that
very
much
next
slide
and
they
were
easy
to
spot
in
the
crowd.
So
you
know
because
they're
wearing
a
big
Q
on
their
chest,
this
guy's
also
in
jail.
Now
next
slide.
B
Please,
the
most
famous
person,
Q
Anon,
killed
on
January
6
was
Ashley
Babbitt
and
what
was
interesting
is
that
initially
Trump
supporters
said
she
was
antifa,
but
you
know
now:
they've
turned
around
and
they've
made
her
a
martyr,
for
you
know
the
far
right
and
for
Trump
supporters.
Next
slide
and
I
know
I'm
running
out
of
time,
so
I'm
gonna
go
quicker.
B
This
is
where
we
get
some
of
this
data
about.
If
the
samples
are
representative
that
we're
looking
at
you
know:
30
million
adults.
Interestingly
enough,
you
see
that
post
January
6
didn't
actually
diminish
very
much
people's
belief
in
Q
Anon,
and
so
it's
gone
right
back
up
next
slide
and
here
I
circled
for
the
six
percent.
This
is
from
The
Washington
Post
and
American
Enterprises
Institute,
a
conservative,
think
tank,
and
you
see
six
percent
of
the
people
that
agree,
because
you
don't
say,
are
you
queuing
on
in
the
same
way?
B
You
know
you
don't
say:
are
you
why
Isis?
But
you
give
the
statement
that
Trump
has
been
fighting
a
cabal
of
child
sex
traffickers
that
include
Democrats
and
Hollywood
Elites,
that's
very
obviously
Q
Anon,
and
you
saw
that
29
of
Republicans
and
even
six
percent
of
people
who
identified
as
Democrats
said.
Yes,
we
believe
that's
true
next
slide
and
when
you
look
at
the
contagion
across
the
world.
This
is
all
the
places
now
that
have
q
Anon
groups,
and
so
there
were
two
things.
I
found
was
interesting.
B
It's
spreading
to
places,
let's
say
throughout
Latin
and
South
America,
despite
the
fact
that
Q
Anon
is
very
obviously
racist
and
talks
about
people
of
color
in
very
negative
ways.
But
the
other
thing
that
really
amazed
me
was
like
so
the
Middle
East
looks
pretty
inoculated,
and
so
we
have
my
colleague
on
the
grant
Dr
Nelly
lahood,
who
just
wrote
the
book
on
the
bin
Laden
papers,
she's,
going
through
all
of
the
material
in
Arabic,
that's
being
posted
on
social
media
and
Q.
B
But
in
the
UK
it's
gone
rampant
and
even
though
pizzagate
has
been
shown
to
be
fake
and-
and
you
know,
Edgar
who
perpetrated
pizzagate
admits
that
it
was
fake.
Pizzagate
has
come
back
up
about
this.
You
know
pedophilia
and
pizza,
and
all
of
these
conspiracies
in
summer
of
2020
there
were
10
different
giant
rallies
in
the
UK
next
slide.
B
And
it's
important
that
we
understand
what's
unique
about
Q
in
terms
of
cons,
they've
always
been
conspiracy
theories,
and
there
were
conspiracy
theories,
in
particular
in
the
U.S
after
the
assassination
of
John
F
Kennedy.
But
what
Q
Anon
has
done
unique
to
previous
conspiracy
theories?
Is
it
has
embraced
all
of
the
other
groups
that
say
that
the
Earth
is
flat
or
that
there's
lizard
people
walking
around
or
that
there
are
space
lasers?
You
know
Jewish
space
lasers,
that
was
Marjorie
tillergreen,
but
so
what
happens
is
Q?
B
Anon
has
managed
to
bring
together
groups
that
previously
were
not
really
talking
to
each
other
in
this
umbrella
and
and
I'll
I
think
I
may
have
to
skip
to
the
end.
How
many
more
do
we
have
I?
Think
there's
three
more.
Let
me
just
end
with
this
one,
then.
What
are
we
talking
with
Q
counter
measures?
Part
of
it
is
that
we
can't
look
at
people
who
believe
in
Q
as
an
undifferentiated
Mass.
So
Sophia
broke
it
down
into
people
who
were
diehards
with
those
people.
B
There
doesn't
matter
what
you're
gonna
say
or
what
you're
gonna
do
you
have
to
manage
your
expectations?
Nothing,
you
know
they're
kind
of
a
lost
cause.
You
can't
help
them,
maybe
you
can
give
them
some
benefit
of
mindfulness
training,
but
then,
with
the
doubters
you
know
there
were
different
shades
of
how
much
Q
Anon
belief
you
have.
So
it
wasn't
like
Isis,
it's
not
like
in
Isis.
If
you
believed
in
the
salafi
ideology,
it's
not
like
you're
like
well
I,
I,
believe
in
Isis,
but
I
like
gay
people.
B
B
But
you
didn't
think
the
Earth
was
flat,
so
you
could
pick
and
choose
so
in
as
much
as
the
degrees
of
Q
Anonymous
was
relevant,
the
degrees
to
which
people
died,
crowded
was
relevant,
and
so
we
have
different
kind
of
treatments
and
interventions
for
different
kinds
of
Q
Anon
people
who
are
trying
to
leave
and
then
finally,
with
the
defectors,
as
we
know
with
the
problems
of
recidivism,
if
people
leave
a
group,
the
pool
to
go
back
is
very
high.
So
you
also
have
to
deal
with
people
who
have
left
I.
B
A
Yeah
very
fascinating
talk
talk
to
Blue.
Thank
you.
So
much
I
was
also
watching
the
chat
and
I.
Don't
see
the
questions
there,
but
I
think
folks
were
holding
on.
Of
course,
I
had
one.
This
is
all
publicly
available
information
now
I'm
curious,
how
much
information
exists
in
the
Deep,
Web
or
dark
web
sources,
or
even
the
French
platforms.
Your
thoughts.
B
And
so
originally
we
were
going
to
be
looking
at
the
dark
web
as
the
venue
for
let's
say,
for
instance,
someone
who's
radicalized
is
radicalized
in
the
open
apis
and
then
starts
chatting
privately
and
semi-encrypted
to
join
the
group,
but
then
purchasing
of
the
material
for
a
bomb
or
for
something
that
they
were
going
to
do
needed
to
be
done
on
the
dark
web.
And
so
we
we
had
this
idea
of
moving
from
the
open
API
to
the
dark
web
to
show
what
the
process
of
moving
from
an
online
radical
view
to
an
offline.
B
A
B
B
So
you
can't
just
post
anything
and
so
because
of
those
strict
controls,
they're
able
to
clamp
down
on
disinformation
about
the
vaccine
as
well
as
disinformation
about
Q
Anon,
but
we're
you
know
it's
one
of
those
things
where
we
don't
have
an
answer
yet
so
we're
slowly
but
surely
trying
to
go
through
it.
If
I
showed
you
some
of
the
images
and
I'll
I'll
send
Chris
the
article
that
we
published
looking
at
the
Save
the
Children
campaign.
B
When
you
look
at
save
the
children,
the
charity,
it's
98
children
of
color,
like
you,
don't
see,
white
people
occasionally
you'll
see
like
you
know,
Jennifer
Garner,
and
it
was
funny
because
the
coders
were
like.
Oh,
we
found
a
white
person.
I
was
like
guys,
that's
Jennifer,
Garner
she's,
an
ambassador
and
an
actress.
Oh.
But
when
you
looked
at
the
the
the
race
of
children
who
were
in
The
Q
and
on
Save
the
Children
hashtag,
they
were
94
white.
B
You
know
like
grab
them
by
the
acoustic
I
can
say,
because
no
one
understands
that
except
two
people,
but
like
all
of
the
stuff
that
he
did
really
turned
off
Republican
women
and
not
that
they
didn't
show
up
in
2018
for
the
midterms,
but
campaign
have
saved
the
children
and
Q
on
propaganda,
really
brought
them
back
to
the
voting
booths.
So
I'm
hoping
the
problem
is
it's
spread
in
Latin
and
South
America,
despite
being
racist
against
brown
people.
A
B
Two
more
minutes,
but
I've
got
a
12
30
in
State
College.
So
what
I
would
say
so
the
countries
in
red
were
countries
that
had
Facebook
groups
for
Q
Anon,
but
we
didn't.
We
didn't
wait
them
for
greater
or
lesser.
This
is
for
gaurav's
question.
No
sorry.
This
is
for
Summer's
question.
So
what
what
I
would
say
is
that
the
institute
for
strategic
dialogue
produces
Graphics
of
where
there
are
the
most
Q
Anon.
And
so
what
happens?
B
Yes,
those
are
the
countries
go
rough
you're
right
that
have
q
and
on
Facebook
groups
and,
interestingly
enough
Q
Anon
is
still
like.
After
those
filters
disappeared,
Q
non
has
come
back
and
what
we
would
have
expected
is
that,
since
none
of
those
4,
500
plus
I
guess
it's
almost
fourth
I
think
it's
up
to
4
800.
B
If
the
actual
number
is
counted,
none
of
them
came
true,
except
one
or
two,
and
it
was
those
one
or
two
that
allows
it
to
continue
to
say
you
see,
you
see
we're
right,
so
you
could
be
wrong
four
thousand
times
and
be
right.
One
time
and
they
claim
you
know
accuracy,
some
of
the
techniques
to
extract
the
social
processes.
B
So,
for
example,
if
Linwood
from
Georgia
or
some
other
famous
person,
disavows
Q
Anon,
but
is
continuing
to
raise
money
off
of
it.
Is
that
disconnect
going
to
cause
the
kind
of
departure
teachers
that
we've
seen
with
terrorist
groups?
Or
if
we,
you
know
like,
for
example,
there
were
two
documentaries
to
track
down,
who
was
q
and
it
wasn't
a
military
Insider
with
clearance?
B
You
know
it
was
some
guy,
basically
in
his
basement,
who
owns
or
co-owned
H,
that
really
didn't
matter
like
the
identity
of
who
Q
Anon
was
ceased
to
matter
after
the
pandemic.
So
I
think
that
it's
become
in
some
ways
a
mass
movement
very
hard
to
argue
against,
and
so
what
we
did
in
the
book
is
again
Sophia
being
a
social
psychologist
and
a
clinical
psychologist,
we
were
able
to
provide
people
different
ways
like
how
do
you
deal
with
this?
If
you
have
a
friend
or
family
member
who's
in
Q
Anon?
B
How
do
you
get
them
out,
and
so
what
we
had
is
very
unusual
for
an
academic
book.
We
added
the
back
a
series
of
questions
where
we
give
you
the
answers.
You
ask
these
questions
to
the
person
who
believes
in
Q,
Anon
and
chipsed
away
at
their
fundamental
beliefs
in
a
way
that
isn't
antagonistic,
but
also
some
of
the
same
tactics
that
moonshot
CDE
has
used.
Saying
things
like
you
know.
We
understand
why
you're
upset.
However,
what
do
you
think
about
this?
B
And
so,
interestingly
enough,
a
lot
of
people
I've
talked
to
have
never
heard
of
Q
Anon.
But
yet,
if
this
samples
from
AEI
and
Drury
the
two
surveys
that
I
posted
were
representative,
this
is
tens
of
millions
of
of
Believers.
That's
far
more
than
any
terrorist
group
has
ever
seen.
So
you
know,
on
the
one
hand,
we
would
be
very
concerned
if
we
thought
Q
Anon
was
a
terrorist
group
interesting.
B
Wish
I
wish
I
can,
but
in
the
20
to
23rd
I'm
going
to
be
at
other
conferences,
I
have
American
Political
Science
and
then
the
northern
cve
in
Gothenburg
Sweden.
So
between
the
time
difference
and
me
traveling
I
apologize
that
I'm
going
to
have
to
miss
it,
but
keep
me
in
mind
for
the
future.
Please
absolutely.