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This Council Meeting took place on May 12, 2014 at 7:00 p.m. Hot topic of the night was Bill No. 4082 -- Calling an election to amend the St. Charles County Charter in order to prohibit the use of red light cameras throughout St. Charles County within as well as outside incorporated municipalities.
A
All
right,
it
is
seven
o'clock,
so
I'm
going
to
call
the
regular
meeting
of
the
county
council
to
order.
First,
we
have
an
invocation,
we're
honored
tonight
to
have
pastor
john
london
with
us
from
hope,
lutheran
church,
pastor,
john.
If
you'd
come
forward
and
leave
us
an
invocation.
If
everybody
please
stand,
I.
B
For
the
leaders
who
gather
here
this
evening
who
are
committed
to
serve
our
community
and
our
country,
they
serve
because
they
have
figured
out
what
it
means
to
be
blessed,
so
they
can
be
a
blessing
and
a
blessing.
They
are
they
give
of
themselves.
So
our
mutual
journey
through
life
might
be
a
journey
doing
those
things
needed,
so
our
community
might
be
an
ever
better
place
to
live
and
raise
our
families
so
father
for
their
willingness
to
give
their
time
their
energy,
their
wisdom,
rather
than
sitting
on
the
sidelines
and
watching
life
pass
by.
B
A
A
A
We
will
finish
one
subject
first
and
then
move
on
to
the
to
the
second
subject.
I
have
been
contacted
by
keith
hazelwood,
who
has
asked
he
has
a
presentation
he
would
like
to
make
during
this
portion.
Keith
said
that
the
his
presentation
is
about
seven
to
eight
minutes
long.
Is
there
a
motion
of
the
council
to
to
extend
the
time
frame
to
seven
eight
minutes,
motion's
been
made
and
seconded
all
in
favor,
say
aye,
aye,
aye
opposed,
say,
nay,.
E
A
E
A
A
G
G
G
So
I
want
to
share
with
you
real
quickly
in
the
course
of
doing
our
work
as
a
charter
commission,
back
in
1991
and
1992,
we
contacted
the
missouri
association
of
counties
to
get
the
benefit
of
their
experience
and
knowledge
they
shared
with
us
one
of
the
things
they
shared
with
us
was
the
rule
of
threes,
and
that
rule
was.
It
generally
takes
three
times
to
get
a
charter
passed
and
living.
G
G
We
were
trying
very
hard
to
avoid
having
to
go
through
three
charter
attempts.
We
had
had
one
in
1976,
it
failed
and
the
1991-1992
effort
was
our
second
one.
I'd
like
to
share
with
you.
If
I
could
and
I'd
ask
that
the
slide
moved.
This
is
the
table
of
contents
from
that
original
charter,
I'm
going
to
cover
a
few
sections
in
there.
You
can
see
that
in
chapter
in
article
10,
there's
actually
a
reference
to
intergovernmental
relations
and
I'll
say
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
G
G
It
may
surprise
many
to
realize
saint
charles
county
as
a
part
of
the
state
of
missouri
before
it
became
a
charter.
County
was
limited
to
its
its
powers
as
established
by
statute,
and
a
prime
example
of
that
is
saint.
Charles
county
government
could
not
post
a
stop
sign
in
in
any
part
of
the
county,
unincorporated
or
anywhere
else
until
1975,
when
the
state
legislature
permitted
it
to
do
so.
G
G
There
was
no
authority
where
that
could
be
the
central
facilitator
of
that
discussion
and
our
our
leadership
had
to
go
to
jeff
city
once
again
and
have
a
law
passed
in
jeff
city
that
allowed
saint
charles
county
to
have
a
transit
authority
similar
situation
with
the
convention
center
in
the
late
1980s
early
1990s.
As
a
convention
center
was
being
discussed,
the
county
itself
could
not
organize
a
central
entity
to
facilitate
that
discussion
had
to
go
back
to
jeff
city,
get
the
legislature
and
that's
quite
a
process,
as
anyone
who
follows.
G
Another
set
of
circumstances
that
you
get
to
improve
on
in
a
home
rule
charter
is
the
structure
of
your
government.
Hence
the
green,
highlighting
perfecting
the
structure
of
government
in
1816
when
the
state
of
missouri
wasn't
even
a
state.
It
was
a
territory,
and
this
was
a
territorial
law
in
1816.
G
The
local
government
that
occurred
for
the
few
counties
that
existed
in
the
state
consisted
of
three
individuals.
At
that
time
they
were
called
county
judges
175
years
later
in
1991.
That
was
still
true.
So
in
1991
the
county
had
changed.
It
was
considerably
smaller
in
terms
of
geographic
size,
it
was
considerably
larger
in
terms
of
population.
G
Now,
when
you
have
the
home
rule
discussion,
a
basic
assumption
in
that
is.
We
are
asking
the
state
to
allow
us
to
have
these
expanded
powers
to
create
the
the
governmental
activities,
functions
and
services
that
we
need
for
our
213
000
residents
by
virtue
of
that
home
rule
request
that
we're
reaching
out
for
as
we
go
to
the
voters,
we
are
in
essence
saying
we
are
going
to
minimize
the
involvement
of
jeff
city
and
increase
the
local
decision-making
on
these
matters.
G
You
want
to
be
mindful
of
the
home
rule
situation
and
you
do
not
want
to
create
a
situation
in
the
relationship
between
the
counties
between
the
county
and
the
municipalities
that
is
similar
to
the
one
you're
trying
to
get
away
from
in
the
relationship
between
the
state
and
the
county
of
saint
charles.
So,
let's,
let's
factor
in.
H
G
Now,
continuing
on,
let's
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
as
we
go
to
draft
some
particular
provisions,
you
start
to
see
the
philosophy
that
I
just
expressed
reflect
itself
in
the
charter
provisions.
So
nothing
herein
contained
shall
be
construed
to
give
to
the
county
of
saint
charles.
Any
rights
or
powers
are
over
or
pertaining
to
cities,
towns
or
villages.
G
G
G
Toward
the
end
of
that
time
period,
the
fire
protection
districts
came
forward
and
made
the
same
request.
They
none
of
those
governmental
entities
wanted
to
be
subjected
to
the
possibility
of
the
county,
putting
itself
putting
the
county
in
a
position
to
mandate
any
rights
or
any
functions
or
any
services.
G
With
respect
to
the
incorporated
municipalities,
now
we
did
say
to
in
pushback
we
said
to
the
to
the
municipalities.
There
are
some
matters
that
are
county-wide
in
their
services.
Voting,
for
example,
is
handled
by
the
county
for
the
entire
for
the
entire
county,
as
is
assessment
as,
as
is
tax
collection
and
so
forth.
G
You
know
john
q,
citizen
and
joan
q
citizen.
They
are
really
looking
for
cooperation
between
governmental
entities.
They
don't
want
friction,
they
don't
want
the
resources
wasted
on
fights
over
that
sort
of
thing,
so
we
built
in
and
you
will
see
it
in
your
handout
and
frankly,
you
can
start
running
the
screen
even
faster
jennifer.
B
G
G
A
A
E
E
I'm
gonna
have
matt
hayek,
come
up
and
I'm
gonna
hand
him.
This
carl
beard
was
on
the
one
of
the
first
county
council
members
and
also
a
state
left,
and
he
provided
us
with
he
couldn't
be
here.
I
had
to
go
to
a
family
function
and
matt's
been
involved
with
this
with
carl
on
this
issue,
and
we
talked
about
the
charter
issue,
he's
going
to
read
carl
beard's
response
to
mr
hazel's
response
and
then
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
charter
and
the
constitution.
J
E
J
Councilman
brazel,
my
name
is
matt
hay.
I
live
at
34
san
marino
parkway
in
fenton
missouri,
as
councilman
brazil
laid
the
predicate.
I
just
wanted
to
read
a
portion
of
a
letter
that
carl
bearden
had
written
former
county
councilman
carl
bearden.
It
was
to
my
understanding
involved
with
the
administration
of
the
charter
as
well,
and
he
says
the
missouri
constitution
is
pretty
clear
about
the
authority
of
a
charter
county.
The
only
politic,
the
only
political
subdivision
that
it
cannot
control
under
statute
are
the
school
districts.
J
The
only
limitation
in
saint
charles
county
is
the
charter
itself.
Now
it's
true
that
it
was
written
specifically
to
a
large
degree
to
voluntarily
self-limit
the
county's
power
in
order
to
assuage
the
cities.
Because
of
this,
the
county
council
cannot
pass
an
ordinance
enacting
the
provisions
of
the
charter,
amendment
which
I
think
we
all
agree
on,
but
the
people
most
certainly
can
the
constitution
the
missouri
constitution,
as
well
as
the
charter
itself,
provides
for
processes
to
change
the
charter.
The
amendment
obviously
follows
those
procedures,
which
is
why
we're
having
that
discussion
this
evening.
J
So
I
mean
basically,
I
think,
the
last
speaker
when
he
spoke
to
the
spirit
of
the
charter
rather
than
the
actual
legal
foundation,
which
I
believe
you'd
find
in
article
6
section
18.
A
and
c
of
the
missouri
constitution
clearly
lays
out
that
what
is
being
proposed
this
evening,
which
is
not
a
unilateral
action,
would
you
know,
would
certainly
comport
with
state
statutes
regarding
the
charter,
and
I
think
some
of
some
of
the
discussion
about
municipalities
being
third
and
fourth
class
cities
under
the
statutory
guidelines
of
the
state
of
missouri.
J
But
you
know
I
can
provide
this
if
you'd
like,
but
I
have
have
some
documentation
as
far
as
the
various
provisions
of
the
missouri
constitution,
I
assume
you've
read
those
pertaining
to
charter
counties
and
those
powers,
so
I
will,
I
will
save
those
for
you
and
commence
with
the
evening.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
K
K
K
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
county
charter,
the
missouri
constitution
and
doing
the
right
thing.
It's
pretty
basic.
You
don't
have
to
be
a
lawyer
to
figure
it
out
what
the
right
thing
is
to
do
tonight,
you're
going
to
decide
whether
you
think
the
county
and
its
voters
has
a
right
to
tell
a
city
what
to
do.
K
That's
the
bottom
line
when
it
comes
to
the
day
today,
operations
of
a
city,
the
voters
and
the
elected
officials
of
that
said
city
have
the
right
to
decide
what
to
do
for
that
city.
The
constitution
in
our
state
gives
each
level
of
government
specific
rules
rules.
I'm
sorry
people
decide
to
incorporate
into
cities
because
they
want
to
decide
themselves
about
what
kind
of
city
they
want.
K
The
county
lets
people
sell,
purchase
and
shoot
off
fireworks.
Some
municipalities
allow
sales
of
sales
and
shooting
off
fireworks.
Cities
like
st
charles
only
lets.
Let
you
sell
them
and
shoot
them,
but
only
for
a
few
days,
city
of
saint
peter's.
We
don't
allow
sales
period
with
the
council,
put
a
measure
on
the
ballot
allowing
county
off
voters
to
tell
the
cities
they
have
the
right
to
sell,
sell
and
shoot
off
fireworks
in
their
cities
doesn't
sound
right.
K
K
K
K
A
L
I've
been
a
state
representative,
I
went
to
st
louis
county
police
academy,
I've
been
a
police
officer
reserve.
I've
been
various
things
in
my
life.
Don't
make
me
an
expert.
I
know
we
got
way
too
many
laws
between
layers
of
law
too
many
illegal
laws,
wrong
laws,
emotional
laws,
but
the
bottom
line
appears
to
me.
This
is
about
money,
always
has
been
saint
peter's
last
withholding
one
I
guess
trying
to
keep
the
red
light
cameras
there
for
whatever
reason
safety
money,
whatever
you
choose
to
believe
they're,
the
only
ones
around.
L
L
I
say:
let's
be
fair
and
reasonable,
not
emotional.
You
know
I've
said
before
up
here:
not
all
laws
are
needed.
Not
all
laws
are
just
not
true,
nor
fair
and
you've
got
to
ask
yourself
why?
Because
a
lot
of
laws
get
tested
in
the
supreme
court
of
missouri
or
united
states,
thousands
of
laws
are
passed
every
year,
just
thousands
of
them
little
communities,
villages,
counties,
big
towns,
little
towns
and
they
go
on
the
books
and
they're
enforced
or
not
enforced,
or
somebody
says
they're,
unenforceable
or
they're.
L
Just
really
not
going
to
be
looked
at
after
a
certain
period
of
time.
But
we're
here
about
one
specific
thing
county
does
have
a
certain
layer
of
power
over
other
cities.
You
know
talk
about
fences,
there's
a
lot
of
different
fences.
Maybe
we
need
some
uniformity.
It
looks
like
an
old
wild
west
with
different
wood
fences
and
thousands,
and
I
thought
about.
L
You
need
to
look
at
that,
but
I'm
certainly
against
repealing
this
ordinance,
letting
us
vote
on
it.
I
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
Let
the
people
speak.
You
know
we
have
a
democracy
of
republic,
we
elect
people
and
they
don't
always
vote
the
way
we
want
well
we're
not
all
happy
with
the
way
you
vote.
I
understand
that,
but
some
things
are
bigger
than
than
that,
and
this
is
one
of
them.
L
I
was
just
looking
the
other
day
right
there
at
mexico,
road
and
jungleman
you
all.
You
see
their
little
sign
back
there
you
know
includes
right
turn
lanes
or
includes
turns,
but
there's
such
a
thing
as
missouri
statues
of
sign
typical
signage
that
is
missouri
legal
as
far
as
height
size,
colors
all
kinds
of
things.
I
don't
believe
this
even
ever
did
fall
under
that,
because
any
place
that
doesn't
have
do
not
turn
right
up
there
on
the
red
lights
state
law.
L
I
think
trump
says
you
stop
and
turn
right.
This
little
sign
back
there
back
so
far,
while
you're
trying
to
drive
and
look
at
signs
all
over
the
place,
they
don't
have
the
information
needed.
I
think
under
missouri
state
statutes
of
no
right
turn
on
red
up
there,
where
you
can
see
it
not
a
little
sign
back
here
where
somebody
could
be
walking
past
it
or
you
know
whatever
the
deal
is
so
they've
got
600
some
thousand
dollars,
I
don't
know
per
year
total
or
whatever,
but
mayor
you've
collected
pretty
good.
M
L
Well,
I
thought
we
got
to
equal
time,
but
the
point
being,
I
think
we
get
the
point.
I
think
people
need
to
vote
on
this
because
things
can
go
down
in
little
towns
that
really
aren't
right,
but
they
get
passed
by
until
somebody
finally
challenges
it.
I
think
it's
time
to
challenge
a
lot
of
things
in
the
united
states
of
america.
You
know
we
don't
need
to
be
spied
on
either.
I
I
Our
approach
was
to
meet
with
all
the
cities,
towns,
villages,
fire
districts,
school
districts,
and
we
did
that.
In
fact,
I
chaired
a
subcommittee
to
do
that
on
several
evenings
throughout
the
county.
The
most
vocal
of
the
concerns
that
I
heard
were
about
the
new
charter.
How
the
new
charter
would
affect
the
operations
of
the
entities?
N
Good
evening
my
name
is
bryce
signoff
and
I'm
a
citizen
of
saint
charles
county
in
the
sixth
district
tonight.
I
urge
you
to
pass
mr
brazil's
bill
which
would
allow
the
county
or
the
people
of
the
county
to
vote
on
the
red
light
camera
issue.
I
think
we're
all
aware
that
these
devices
are
problematic
at
best
their
safety
neutral
and
in
many
cases
they
cause
accidents
to
become
more
frequent.
N
They
simply
can't
combat
the
real
reasons
for
dangerous
red
light,
running
impaired
and
distracted
driving,
which
are
best
addressed
by
trained
officers
who
can
take
those
drivers
off
the
road.
However,
none
of
that's
really
the
issue
here.
The
cameras
violate
the
people's
due
process
rights
and
they
outsource
aspects
of
our
judicial
system
to
for-profit.
N
That
is
the
bulk
of
my
statement.
Thank
you
plainly.
Their
purpose
is
to
generate
revenue
at
the
expense
of
just
governance.
Given
these
substantial
problems,
I
believe
that
it's
the
county's
duty
to
protect
the
citizens
rights
from
being
infringed
upon.
That's
the
very
role
of
government.
The
attorneys
I've
spoken
with
believe
this
bill
is
on
solid
legal
footing.
The
missouri
constitution,
the
highest
law
in
our
state
gives
county
charters
the
ability
to
regulate
the
functions
of
its
municipal
governments
within
itself,
and
it's
very
clear
about
that.
N
The
legal
arguments
that
I've
seen
to
the
contrary
are,
quite
frankly,
in
my
opinion,
absurd
I've,
seen
sections
about
the
charter
about
regulating
businesses
and
preventing
duplication
of
services
quoted
I've
seen
state
statute
in
chapter
88
cited,
which
is
about
public
works,
not
about
traffic
regulations.
None
of
these
apply
and
much
less.
They
don't
override
our
constitution
on
this
matter.
A
lawsuit
against
the
county
on
this
bill
would
be
frivolous.
Now
I
understand
one
concern
being
weighed
is
how
a
move
like
this
would
impact
the
relationships
between
the
county
and
the
municipalities.
N
N
However,
that
arrangement
was
made
22
years
ago.
I
was
five
years
old
and
that
happened.
The
people
reserved
the
right
to
amend
their
charter
when
they
deemed
it
was
necessary,
and
it's
painfully
obvious
that
they
wish
to
do
that
now.
The
outspokenness
that
you've
experienced
on
this
issue
is
because
people
are
passionate
about
this
issue.
I
don't
think
it's
always
appropriate
for
the
county
to
regulate
the
cities,
but
when
the
government
is
offending
the
rights
of
all
saint
charles
county
citizens,
it's
appropriate.
N
N
It's
a
vote
against
this
bill
would
be
a
vote
for
government
per
usual
for
the
politicians
protecting
the
politicians
and
the
municipalities.
You
all
have
a
choice.
Tonight,
I'd
like
you
to
be
statesmen
and
protect
our
liberties,
use
your
just
role
of
government
to
do
that
and
pass
482..
Thank
you.
40.
A
82.,
looking
at
the
the
issue
of
the
separation
of
powers
between
the
cities
and
the
counties,
we've
now
heard
from
both
three
people
in
favor
and
three
people
that
are
that
have
an
opposing
viewpoint
are
different
viewpoint
in
this.
This
particular
case
I'll
now
open
the
floor
up
to
another
subject.
A
P
O
Of
council
ac
denoff
county
resident,
this
is
the
combination
of
the
separation
of
powers
and
also
the
red
light
camera
bill,
number
4083
or
e2.
I'm
sorry,
there's
a
number
of
bills.
On
the
issue
dealing
with
charter
amendments-
and
I
again
I
called
last
week
for
a
treachery
review.
Commission,
I'm
asking
the
county
council.
O
The
state
statute
is
very
clear:
it
deals
with
traffic
the
traffic
regulation
code
and
our
state
statute
in
our
state
legislature
leaves
all
local
traffic
controls
up
to
local
cities,
towns
and
villages.
It's
very
clear:
the
city
of
dardian
prairie
on
wednesday
of
last
week,
resolution
2,
3
4,
which
I
would
assume
you
all
received.
It
wasn't
a
part
of
the
supporting
documents
and
I
called
the
county
council
staff
and
they
said
it
wasn't
going
to
be
a
part
of
that
document
which
needs
to
be
disclosed
to
the
public,
but
the
city
board
of
aldermen.
O
There
opposed
this
was
the
red
light
camera
issue.
By
a
vote
of
six
to
zero,
the
city
will
fallen
at
thursday's
city
council
meeting
resolution,
508
2014
e,
opposed
by
a
vote
of
ten
to
zero,
the
red
light
camera
issue
going
on
the
ballot,
and
what
about
the
one
million
dollar
price
tag
for
litigation
to
pay
for
a
county
councillor
to
pay
for
outside
litigate
litigators
and
to
pay
the
city
of
st
peter's
costs?
O
O
A
A
A
Q
Red
light
cameras
are
not
about
safety.
They're
about
enforcement.
The
general
assembly
has
long
established
in
state
statutes,
laws
promoting
the
safety
of
missouri
drivers,
the
laws
applying
to
moving
violations
with
assigned
penalties
or
time-tested
deterrence
to
useless
and
too
careless
and
improving
drivers.
Watering
down
current
law
by
defining
a
moving
violation
as
a
parking
ticket
certainly
will
not
make
missouri
roads
safer.
Q
Red
light
cameras
are
not
about
enforced,
are
not
that
are
not
about
enforcement,
that
not
about
enforcement.
That
generates
revenues
are
about
enforcement
that
generates
revenues
not
safer
intersections
when
government
uses
any
form
of
enforcement
that
treads
on
the
rights
of
the
governed.
It
is
time
for
the
people
to
stand
against.
Such
overreach
government
must
be
on
the
side
of
individual
liberty
if
we
are
to
remain
a
free
people.
Q
Q
I
am
asking
the
council
to
give
the
people
who
who
who
who,
by
whom
they
were
elected,
to
serve
the
to
have
the
opportunity
to
decide
just
what
kind
of
enforcement
power
they
will
grant.
Their
government
is
jefferson
penned
in
the
declaration
government's.
Just
power
comes
from
the
consent
of
the
government.
Thank
you.
A
R
To
you
before
last
month,
there
were
questions
on
constitutionality
and
such
of
this
ordinance,
and
I
read
to
you
the
missouri
bill
of
rights.
This
is
the
first
two
paragraphs
of
the
missouri
constitution
that
all
political
power
is
vested
in
and
derived
from
the
people,
not
from
the
city
of
saint
peter's,
that
all
government
originates
from
the
people
is
founded
upon
their
will
only
and
is
instituted
solely
for
the
good
of
the
whole,
not
for
the
good
of
saint
peter's
pocketbook
and
red
flicks,
a
corrupt
company
who
is
currently
under
federal
indictment.
R
Second,
paragraph
section
2
says
all
persons
all
not
just
people
of
saint
peter's,
the
people
of
missouri
and
the
people
of
saint
charles.
All
persons
have
a
natural
right
to
life,
liberty,
pursuit
of
happiness
and
the
enjoyment
of
the
gains
of
their
own
industry.
This
means
that
I
should
be
able
to
drive
down
any
major
road
in
missouri
without
worrying
about
the
local
city
hijacking,
my
pocketbook.
R
It
goes
on
to
say
that
to
give
security
to
these
things
is
the
principal
office
of
government
and
when
government
does
not
confer
the
security
it
fails
in
its
chief
design.
Since
saint
peter's
is
a
fourth
class
city
with
privileges,
not
power,
they
do
not
have
the
people
if
saint
peter's
don't
have
the
power
to
vote.
The
next
step
up
is
the
county
of
saint
charles,
where
the
people
have
the
power
to
choose
article.
R
One
section:
one
missouri
constitution
show
me
a
law
that
is
higher
than
the
bill
of
rights
of
the
state
of
missouri,
which
gives
the
people
who
use
those
roads,
not
just
a
few
people
in
a
town
of
what
fifteen
thousand
and
a
mayor
who's.
Looking
for
a
new
tax
method
in
a
corrupt
company,
that's
going
to
take
half
the
money
out
of
missouri
and
going
to
do
robocalls
to
trick
people.
Why
don't?
They
want
an
election?
R
Because
so
far
the
only
election
red
light
companies
have
won
in
the
united
states
was
when
they
went,
the
police
went
door
to
door
and
said
the
police
department
is
going
to
go
away
disappear.
If
you
vote
out
red
light
cameras,
the
people
do
not
want
red
light
cameras.
The
people
are
the
power.
Please
do
not
deprive
the
people
of
the
power
to
say
red
light.
R
Cameras
do
not
belong
in
saint
charles
county;
they
do
not
belong
in
missouri
and
fourth
class
cities
are
not
the
superior
power
as
they
keep
claiming
over
and
over
and
have
been
beaten
in
the
courts
that
they
are
the
superior
power
to
all
of
their
law
in
the
united
states
and
missouri,
and
I
have
heard
them
say
that
they
claim
their
ordinances
are
superior
law
within
their
boundaries.
Those
are
the
appeals
court
rulings
that
they
lost.
No
missouri
law
is
superior.
R
S
A
M
M
I'm
not
going
to
bore
you
with
reading
the
whole
thing,
I'm
just
going
to
read
one
sentence
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
misinformation
put
out
there
and
we
need
to
refute
it.
The
bottom
of
the
first
page,
the
second
sentence,
the
last
paragraph
red
flex,
has
not
been
indicted
and
we
are
not
under
investigation
in
13
states.
As
a
recent
news
release
indicated,
thank.
A
S
S
I
am
outraged
that
the
city
of
saint
peter's
made
the
decision
to
tie
its
senior
transportation
program
to
revenue
obtained
through
the
civil
rights
violations
of
our
county
citizens.
Not
only
are
they
funding
this
program
through
illicit
means,
but
they
are
doing
so
by
partnering
with
the
company
that
is
under
federal
indictment
for
bribery
in
13
states.
S
I
think
st
peters
has
some
explaining
to
do
to
its
citizens
who
rely
on
their
senior
transportation
program.
Now
the
missouri
constitution
gives
you
the
authority
to
make
this
decision.
The
county
charter
gives
you
the
authority
to
make
this
decision.
So
let's
be
clear
on
what
that
decision
is.
It
is
not
a
decision
for
the
county
to
ban
red
light
cameras.
It
is
a
decision
for
the
county
to
give
we
the
people
an
opportunity
to
vote
on
whether
or
not
to
ban
these
red
light
cameras
on
our
streets.
S
We
pay
the
taxes
for
the
roads.
Therefore,
we
should
have
the
chance
to
remove
any
and
all
violations
of
our
civil
liberties
that
occur
on
our
streets.
Will
you
give
us
that
chance?
I
encourage
you
to
remember
who
you
serve.
It.
Isn't
the
money-making
interest
of
an
outside
corporation?
It
isn't
other
governmental
bodies
within
our
county.
You
serve
us
the
people
and
we
need
you
to
help
us
protect
our
liberties,
so
do
what's
necessary
at
this
time
and
pass
bill
4082
tonight.
Thank.
A
A
E
I
would
like
to
there's
been
a
lot
of
people
that
haven't
spoken.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
allow
a
few
more
speakers.
Since
people
we
don't
often
have
this
much
attention
to
the
council
being
so
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
allow
possibly
six
more
speakers
that
we
do
this
a
lot
when
there's
we.
We
have
done
this
a
lot
and
when
there's
vibrant
issues.
A
A
T
U
A
A
H
A
Okay,
we'll
look
we'll
take
a
re-vote
on
the
on
the
same
motion
made
by
mr
brazil
seconded
by
myself.
All
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye
opposed,
say
the
eyes
have
it
okay,
we
will
have
up
to
six
more
speakers.
I
will
ask
that
the
the
speakers
try
not
to
repeat
the
items
that
have
already
been
made
and
we'll
we'll
look
at
things
from
it
from
different
points
of
view.
Sorry,
you're,
you're
next.
W
W
Yellows
I
got
six
cities
that
were
caught
shortening
red
lights
and
they
were
fined
chattanooga,
tennessee,
dallas,
texas,
nashville,
tennessee,
union
city,
california,
springfield
missouri
and
arnold.
So
that's
one
of
the
big
problems
is:
it
leads
to
corruption,
they
need
the
money,
so
they
need
the
revenue
stream
to
come.
Keep
coming
through,
so
they'll
shorten
the
red
lights
may
or
may
not
do
it,
but
the
they
could
do
it.
So
it's
the
thoughts
in
their
mind.
So
that's
about
all.
I
have
to
say.
A
H
X
Good
evening,
man,
please,
the
council,
I
rise
in
favor
of
bill
4082
and
I'll
be
brief,
because
you
guys
have
heard
most
of
what
I
was
going
to
say,
but
two
of
the
things
that
have
been
said
before
one
is
the
quote
from
the
missouri
constitution,
where
it
says
that
government
is
established
to
protect
the
liberties
of
the
individuals
which
it
governs
and
if
it
doesn't
do
that
it
fails
in
its
chief
design.
I
believe
that's
what
you
are
here
tonight
to
talk
about.
X
The
other
thing
that
was
mentioned
earlier
was
the
right
to
due
process
the
right
to
confront
our
accuser.
That
is
my
primary
concern
with
red
light
cameras
is
that
the
accused
does
not
have
the
right
to
confront
their
accuser.
Now.
Here's
the
part
that
I
don't
think
we've
heard
this
evening
in
the
charter.
X
X
A
Y
Indicted,
I
would
hope,
but
the
the
other.
The
other
thing
is,
you
know
we
can
have
sort
of
this
discussion
of
you
know:
do
cameras
improve
safety?
Do
they
not
improve
safety?
You
know,
yellow
light
timing
is
another
issue
and
so
on,
but
but
I'd
like
to
submit
that
just
like
in
employment
law,
you
know,
as
it
said
at
will.
Employment
can
be
terminated
by
the
employer
for
a
good
reason,
a
bad
reason
or
no
reason
at
all.
Y
I
would
suggest
firstly
that
when
the
people
say
look,
I
don't
want
a
camera,
and
this
is
certainly,
I
think
the
comparison
with
fences
is
ridiculous.
You
know,
because
fences
don't
take
your
picture
when
you
pass
through
saint
peter's
resident
or
not
okay,
so
for
a
good
reason,
bad
reason
or
no
reason
at
all.
Y
I
think
the
people
are
clearly
in
in
this
room
in
any
case
against
it,
and
it
ought
to
be
put
to
a
vote,
but,
finally,
even
if
it
could
be
shown
that
traffic
cameras
do
improve
safety,
even
if
it
could
be
shown,
let's
grant
that
it
does
still.
If
the
if
the
county
were
to
propose
requiring
people
to
forgo
driving
in
a
rainstorm.
Y
I'm
sure
we
could
get
the
department
of
transportation
up
here
to
tell
about
how
unsafe
the
roads
are
when
they're
wet
wouldn't
follow
that
we
should
submit
a
ordinance
that
forbids
people
from
driving
at
a
rainstorm,
even
if
it
would
save
lives
and
so
on.
The
point
that
I'm
making
is
just
because,
even
if
it
was
shown
that
the
cab
that
the
cameras
improved
safety,
it
wouldn't
follow
that
we
have
to
pass
them
again.
We
have
to
have
a
balance.
Y
What
are
the
people
willing
to
put
up
with
in
terms
of
the
reduction
of
what
they
perceive
to
be
their
liberties,
their
privacy?
Call
it
whatever
you
want
and
again
I
think
that
has
to
be
stacked
against
whatever
positives.
So
you
know
again,
I
I
just
say:
let
the
people
put
it
to
the
people
and
if,
if
need
be,
there's
an
interplay
between
the
charter
and
the
municipalities
well
put
that
to
a
vote
as
well.
The
people
decide
what
the
power
of
the
county
should
be
and
you
representatives
follow
the
will
of
people.
Thank.
Y
Z
Z
I
get
the
sentiment
of
big
government
telling
the
little
government
what
to
do
when
the
debate
was
going
on
about
the
smoking
ban.
I
stood
here
in
front
of
you
and
made
an
argument
against
it
and
now
you
might
wonder
why
I'm
standing
in
front
of
you
now
arguing
for
a
county-wide
ban
on
these
red
light
cameras
and,
throughout
the
debate
the
last
couple
weeks
I've
been
seeing
some
things
said
that
kind
of
comparing
it
to
the
smoking
ban.
Z
You
were
for
the
smoking
ban,
now
you're
against
it
or
trying
to
compare
to
that
mayor.
Pagano
is
trying
to
compare
it
to
brazil
getting
bit
by
a
pit
bull
and
in
brazil
trying
to
ban
it
county-wide
or
or
the
county
council,
or
the
the
residents
of
the
county,
trying
to
ban
people
from
having
a
certain
fence,
but
I
think
there's
a
grave
misunderstanding
in
in
the
two
cases
between
the
red
light
cameras
and
the
pit
bull
and
the
fences
you
can't
compare
and
they're
they're
completely
different
things.
Z
Z
Z
We
give
you
power,
your
power
comes
from
us
and
we
give
it
to
you
to
protect
our
rights
and
when
a
small
government
steps
on
our
rights,
it's
your
duty
to
come
in
and
and
to
stop
it.
And,
lastly,
what
I'd
like
to
say
is
if
these
red
light
cameras
are
about
safety
and
they
were
put
there
to
make
intersections
more
safe,
then
theoretically,
red
flex
and
ats
would
be
broke.
Z
They
wouldn't
have
any
money,
because
people
would
be
stopping
at
the
red
lights
and
and
city
of
st
peters
wouldn't
have
any
money
coming
in
from
these
tickets.
But
that's
not
the
case.
The
city
of
st
peters
has
all
kinds
of
revenue
coming
in,
and
all
kinds
of
revenue
is
funneling
out
of
the
state
into
the
coffers
of
redflex
and
ats
and
again,
please
do
the
right
thing
and
let
the
people
vote
against
these
cameras.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you,
mr
wetter.
Okay,
we're
going
to
close
the
public
comment
on
the
red
light
issue
at
this
time.
Is
there
anybody
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
talk
about
another
county
issue,
anything
else
we're
opening
it
up
to
any
other
subjects.
At
this
point,
okay,
seeing
none
we'll
we'll
close
the
public
comment,
part
of
the
agenda.
The
next
on
the
agenda
is
the
oral
report
from
the
county
executive.
AA
AA
AA
A
He
I
think
his
schedule
allows
him
to
say
so,
he'll
be
available
for
questions
later.
Thank
you
steve.
I
appreciate
that
and
we'll
look
forward
to
your
your
report
at
the
next
meeting.
Next,
we
have
the
consent
agenda.
Is
there
any
items
that
people
would
like
to
pull
off
for
the
consent
agenda
for
separate
discussion.
C
A
C
AB
The
125
is
for
additional
ongoing
maintenance
for
the
gateway
green
light
program,
the
majority
of
those
costs
as
far
a
contract
person
to
monitor
the
gateway,
green
light
infrastructure
during
the
peak
hours.
So,
if
there's
an
accident
on
I-64
that
this
person
would
be
in
place
that
could
adjust
the
signal
timing
during
those
events,
and
so
this
will
provide
that
service
for
the
next
two
years.
C
AB
That's
a
good
question.
I
the
first
two
years
you
want
to
see
how
effective
it
is
measure
put
some
performance
targets,
make
sure
that
we
are
getting
good
value
and
that
we
can
provide
some
quantitative
measurements
of
we
reduce
delay
by
10
or
some
of
these
performance
targets
and
from
there
we'll
evaluate
then,
should
we
hire
this
person
full
time
as
a
county
employee,
or
does
it
make
sense
to
continue
it
as
a
contract
position
and
how
that
should
be
funded
going
beyond
this
two-year
period?
So
it's
probably
pretty
critical
to
have
this
in.
AB
C
A
A
E
AA
AA
AA
G
AA
AA
Yeah,
there's
nothing
in
the
charter
right
now.
That
would
allow
would
allow
the
council
or
the
county
to
do
any
of
these
things,
and
in
fact
you
know
it
says
the
language
in
1.601.
Nothing
here
and
contained
shall
be
construed
now.
Is
it
your
reading
that
that
means
nothing
contained
in
the
ordinance
now
or
nothing
that
might
be
put
in
and
put
in
in
the
future?
AA
G
AA
G
That's
why
I
want
to
ask
you
and
and
what
I'm,
what
I'm,
what
I,
what
I
want
to
suggest
to
all
of
us
is
there
would
not
have
been
a
charter
had
these
provisions
not
been
clearly
stated
in
this
fashion.
I
would
agree
with
that.
So
if
we
want
the
benefits
of
home
rule
charter
government
for
the
county,
it
seems
to
me
we
have
to
accept
the
notion
that
that
would
never
have
come
about
in
1991-92.
G
AA
AA
M
G
H
G
AA
G
AA
And
eventually
we
went
back
to
the
voters,
asked
them
about
about
that
thing
and-
and
I
think
60
or
70
percent
said
yeah.
We
want
the
county
to
have
that
right
that
they
always
did
have
but
was
taken
away
from
them
in
the
charter.
Yeah.
Okay.
Last
thing
all
right
last
thing,
and
I
what
I
remember
most
about
this
explaining
it
to
people.
You
know
we
had
several
bills
in
jeff
city,
clarifying
things
that,
for
the
city's
benefit
that
applied.
I
AA
G
AA
G
I'm
here
tonight
to
be
a
charter,
commissioner,
not
a
legislator,
but
all
right,
I
I
must.
I
must
you're
a
good
sport,
mr
hazel.
Well,
thank
you
and
I
got
to
tell
you.
I
think
that
that
there
are
things
happening
in
jeff
city
and
maybe
we
would
all
benefit
from
letting
those
things
take
their
course,
but
anyhow.
H
E
Young,
I
don't
know
all
right
besides
that,
okay,
so
not
to
mind,
do
you
remember-
and
I've
been
on
this
council
on
one
of
you
guys?
Do
you
remember
back
in
the
late
late
90s
early
2000s,
you
remember
the
proposition
s
right,
that's
what
steve's
referring
to
annexations.
It
was
a
charter
amendment
proposition
s.
E
A
lot
of
cities
were
doing
shoestring,
annexations,
railroad,
annexations
things
that
we
felt
were
illegal.
Then
they
finally
broke.
The
camel's
back
is
one
that
used
him
in
a
domain
on
shirley
johnson's
farm.
Remember
that
sort
of
yeah,
well,
the
municipal
league
and
the
attorneys
and
everybody
in
every
city
was
adamantly
opposed.
It
was
the
same
kind
of
fight,
adam
opposed
to
us,
making
a
charter
amendment
same
thing,
threatened
with
lawsuits,
everything
else
and,
as
steve
said,
we
put
it
on
the
ballot.
We
didn't
make
the
pass
an
ordinance
and
just
do
it.
G
G
E
A
C
C
So,
as
a
council
member
I
have,
I
solemnly
took
that
oath
and
I
take
that
out
very
seriously.
But
when
I
read
missouri
revised
statutes,
which
is
state
law,
it's
clearly
states.
Cities
of
the
fourth
class
shall
have
an
exclusive
and
exercise
exclusive
control
over
all
streets,
alleys,
public
health
ways
within
limits
of
such
city.
That's
in
state
law,
so
charter
clearly
states
that
nothing
in
this
charter
shall
preempt
the
power
of
any
local
government
to
license
tax
and
regulate
okay.
F
H
G
Q
A
G
A
A
E
402
4082.,
the
council
members
were
throwing
some
concerns
and
the
municipal
league
put
out
some
statements,
and
actually
we
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
guys
pointed
out
some
of
these
things
to
us,
so
we
changed
the
ordinance
to
have
more
solid
ground.
Harold.
Do
you
want
to
answer
some
of
mike's
questions
on
some
of
the
changes
you
made
from
the
last
bill
to
the
new
bill.
U
A
U
A
F
I
E
Mr
president,
yeah
I'd
like
to
address
that,
as
I
told
you
some
of
the
council
members,
I
sent
you
an
excel
spreadsheet
and
in
that
sales
excel
says
spreadsheet.
It
states
all
the
lawsuits
that
ats
and
redflex
every
time
a
ballot
issue
goes
on
the
ballot.
It's
challenged
for
whatever
reason
by
the
red
light
camera
companies,
and
so
what
that
would
do.
If
we
push
it
to
november
two
things,
it
would
possibly
go
to
an
election
that
would
cost
us
several
hundred
thousand
dollars.
E
If
we
do
it
at
this
time
in
august
or
november,
push
into
november
not
going
to
the
next
time.
We
have
time
to
correct
if
we
need
to
make
some
corrections
in
november,
if
there's
some
kind
of
court
injunction
or
sometimes
some
sort
of
problem,
but
that's
one
reason
and
other
reason
is
it's
just
time
to
get
this
going
and
get
it
done.
There's
no.
It
does
nothing
to
push
this
off
to
november,
but
there
are
a
couple
things
I
I
want
to
address.
A
E
A
E
E
I
didn't
like
them,
but
I
didn't
think
there
was
anything
we
could
do
about
them
and
then,
after
learning,
some
of
some
of
the
facts,
what
I
came
back
to
my
office
and
I
called
their
secretaries,
I
said:
could
you
obtain
some
of
this
information?
So
we
started
obtaining
information
about
these
red
light
cameras.
We
would
call
st
peter
st
peters
provide
us
with
the
information
we
didn't
tell
them
what
we
were
looking
for.
E
We
just
said:
look
we
want
to
have
two
years
of
action
reports
prior
to
your
red
light
cameras
being
installed,
and
two
years
after
sergeant
it's
on
your
paper,
a
sergeant
from
police
department
sent
it
over
well,
it
showed
that
it
was
a
30
increase
in
accidents
and
injuries
that
that's
a
fact.
So
then
you
go
to
some
of
these
other
studies,
like
kansas
city,
throughout
across
the
board.
I
said
the
council
is
in
most
cases,
if
not
all
it
shows
an
increase
in
injuries
and
accidents,
and
it's
mainly
because
of
rearing
collisions.
E
E
E
They
issued
in
2013
to
2014
7
500
tickets
on
11
cameras.
Okay,
if
you
also
go
on
and
read
the
information
and
I
sent
you,
they
charge
a
hundred
and
fifteen
dollars
per
ticket,
not
including
court
costs,
which
is
eight
hundred
twenty
six
thousand
dollars
in
one
year,
okay.
So,
but
with
some
of
those
facts
and
the
fact
that
you
have
to
go
to
court,
even
if
you
get
a
ticket
you
have
to,
you
have
to
go
in
there.
E
If
you
don't
want
to
send
in
your
115,
you
got
to
go
into
court
on
a
tuesday
night
or
thursday
night.
Whatever
night
it
is,
and
you
got
to
sit
there
for
two
or
three
hours
and
in
some
instances,
if
you
show
the
the
judge
that
it
wasn't
you,
then
you
got
to
come
back
another
night
and
show
the
prosecutor.
We
had
several
people
come
to
us
and
testify
to
that.
So
it's
a
whole
thing
about
having
to
waste
your
time
when
it's
not
clearly
even
you,
it
is
a
major
constitution
issue.
E
E
AC
Of
saint
peter's
roads,
these
are
shared
by
everyone,
and
so
that's
the
difference.
It's
a
huge
difference.
Fences
and
fireworks
have
nothing
to
do
with
it,
because
if
that
city
chooses
to
do
that,
that's
fine!
That's
your
city!
You
guys
do
what
you
want
to
do,
but
not
when
it's
something
that
affects
every
resident
in
the
county.
So
that's
the
difference.
E
Instance,
do
you
know
of
that?
If
you
have
a
business
transaction
with
someone
and
you
don't
pay
the
bill,
it's
a
civil
matter.
Remember
it's
a
civil
matter
and
they
arrest
you
and
put
you
in
jail
over
a
civil
matter.
I
know
I
said
well,
not
no
court
appearance.
So
that's
another
major
constitutional
issue,
that's
really
unheard
of,
and
then
you
go
on
and
you
talk
about
talk
about
the
charter.
E
As
a
matter
of
fact,
as
I
brought
up
before,
we
did
propositions
before
you
guys
know
we
were
threatening
lawsuits,
they
were
doing
illegal
annexations.
They
were
using
eminent
domain
name
on
private
property
owners
and
it
was
plain
wrong.
We
put
it
before
the
voters
same
kind
of
controversial
issues
they
threaten
lawsuits
want
to
vote
it
won't.
What
about
the
pseudo-veteran?
E
The
county
did
that
too.
We
went
across
the
board
county-wide
and
ban
studio.
Frederick
by
state
law,
it's
legal,
but
we
did
it.
What
about
basalts
and
k2?
We
did
the
same
thing,
went
county-wide
and
did
it
because
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do
the
snow,
smoking
ban.
The
funny
ironic
thing
about
this
is
didn't.
The
municipal
league
sent
us
a
resolution
asking
us
to
do
a
county-wide
smoking
ban
so
which
is
it
I
mean?
When
do
you
want
us
to
interfere
when
it's
convenient
to
you
or
when
it's
not
conducted?
E
E
E
All
I'm
asking
you
guys
tonight
is
this
and
it
needs
to
be
voted
on
tonight.
If
you
don't
want
to
support
it,
just
vote
it
down,
don't
table
it.
Don't
use
that
for
an
excuse,
not
vote
for
it
just
vote,
no
for
it
or
vote
yes
for
it,
but
here's
what
we're
doing
tonight,
all
we're
doing
is.
We
are
saying
to
the
county
residents.
You.
AC
AC
So
so,
let's
let
them
make
the
decision,
let
it
be
about
the
people-
and
this
isn't
about
me
and
saint
peter's.
This
isn't
joe
brazzle
against
bone.
Pagano
has
nothing
to
do
with
that
and
that
nonsense
needs
to
stop.
This
is
about
doing
the,
in
my
view,
doing
the
right
thing
for
the
citizens
of
this
county
and
letting
them
vote
on
it
simple,
as
that,
if
you
folks,
don't
think
that
these
that
we're
in
a
position
to
grant
that.
E
V
A
A
A
I
truly
hope
that
they
go
back
and
take
to
heart
the
the
comments
that
have
been
made
tonight
and
the
the
passion
that
that
this
particular
way
of
enforcing
traffic
ordinance
what
it
does
to
the
to
the
residents
what
it
does
to
give
to
7
500
people
to
get
a
a
notice
in
the
mail
that
they
feel
like
that,
there's
not
any
any
way
to
there's
no
remedy
to
it.
There's
no
way
to
to
approach
their
accuser.
A
It
is
it's
uniformly
thought
as
unfair,
and
from
that
standpoint
I
absolutely
get
what
the
what
what
the
folks
here
tonight
and
the
the
people
that
sent
emails,
the
people
that
stopped
me
at
in
my
in
my
case
at
the
iga
were
were
where
I
get
the
the
feel
for
what
people
really
want.
They
don't
like
this
now
and
mr
brazil
you've
reminded
me
on
several
occasions
that
I
look
at
things
from
a
municipal
standpoint.
I
do
I
spent
many
years
on
the
saint
charles
city
council.
A
A
A
So
I'm
really
torn
on
this
one,
and
it
does
come
down
to
tonight-
is
the
last
night
that
we
we
have
to
vote
on
it.
It
is
it's
unfortunate.
We
do
have
the
calendar
working
for
us.
Also,
though,
there
is
another
election
that
comes
up
very
quickly
in
november,
it
will
cost
the
the
county
the
same
to
put
it
on
either
ballot.
A
A
A
It
does
not
mean
that
I
don't
have
the
courage
to
stand
up
and
do
the
right
thing.
It
means
that
I
have
the
courage
to
make
to
make
sure
that
the
decision
I'm
making
is
what
is
best
for
for
the
county,
and
I
know
some
people
will
put
different
spins
on
that.
That's,
okay,
I
know
and
when
I
look
in
the
mirror,
that's
the
reason
I'm
doing
it,
and
that
is
that's.
That's
the
important
person
that
I
need
to
talk
to
every
day.
So
with
that.
U
H
U
I
E
E
E
A
E
A
E
But
that
is
part
of
the
table,
because
my
point
is
whether
or
not
I
support
the
table
or
not
is
if
we
in
fact
going
to
table
it
with
in
mind
that
we're
going
to
have
it
next
monday
at
seven
o'clock.
If
that's
the
case-
and
I
may
support
it,
even
though
I
don't
agree
with
it-
I'll
support
it
in
order
to
get
the
meeting
in
on
seven
o'clock
on
that
monday
night.
Otherwise,
you
guys
can
just
table
it,
you'll,
just
let
it
fall
off.
I
mean
that's.
E
F
E
Michael,
I
remember
what
some
of
you
folks
said:
if
that's,
what
john's
motion
is
to
not
table
it,
but
just
move
the
election
date
to
november,
I
would
be
in
favor.
I
would
go
with
that.
If
that's
what
this
council
decides
to
do,
I
will,
if
we
vote
on
it
tonight
and
just
move
it
to
the
november
election.
I
said
I
was
adamantly
opposed
to
that
and,
however,
to
get
it
to
a
november
ballot,
I
would
agree
to
that,
but
it
might.
A
J
C
Just
for
folks
out
here
two
weeks
ago,
this
issue
didn't
exist.
Okay,
not
I'm
saying
that
the
council
level
did
not
exist.
Folks,
okay,
this
was
the
first
we
heard
of
it
was
introduced
two
weeks
ago,
a
charter
amendment's
a
really
serious
thing
for
us
to
do
when
I've
been
beat
up
for
for
three
years
over
trying
to
get
this
county
to
cook,
to
vote
for
a
smoke-free
saint
charles
county,
and
I
realized
it
took
a
lot
of
time
and
I
banged
heads
for
two
years
on
it:
okay,
over
two
years.
C
Okay,
that
being
said,
I'm
not
willing
to
do
a
rash
decision.
I
agree
with
mr
hammond
100.
This
is
being
shoved
down
our
throats
and
I
don't
like
to
do
things
that
way.
Yes,
I
do
answer
to
the
residents
of
this
county,
but
I
also
answered
to
god
as
well,
and
I
took
a
solemn
oath
before
god
to
uphold
the
laws
of
this
county.
I
tried
deliberately
to
get
mr
hazelwood
to
answer
whether
I'm
breaking
that
vow
or
not.
C
E
C
A
E
F
A
E
E
You
may
support
that
if
you
get
more
time
and
we're
letting
the
people
make
the
decision
on
this
thing
guys,
and
so
in
order
to
make
a
compromise,
I
told
you-
I
was
adamantly
opposed
to
going
pushing
this
thing
off
to
november,
but
if
it
makes
you
comfortable
and
that's
the
only
way
I
can
get
this
done,
then
I
will
be
absolutely
in
favor
of
it
and
we'll
be
done
with
it.
If
you
think
table
in
this
thing
is
going
to
go
away,
these
people
aren't
going
to
go
away.
E
F
A
E
E
AC
AC
E
AC
E
A
A
V
A
H
A
E
A
E
AA
E
A
This
guy's
a
good
mind
reader,
because
I
I
you
know
he
he
can
pick
out
where
people
are
going
to
vote
better
than
I
can.
I
guess
I
mean
I
think
I
think
that's
where
we're
going
to
end
up
joe.
I
believe
that's
where
we're
going
to
end
up
the
question
is:
do
we
want
to
do
it
tonight
or
do
we
want
to
wait.
T
Here,
just
just
so
I'm
following
because
I'm
sure
everybody
else
is
right
on
point
except
for
me,
but
we
did
just
table
this
bill
correct.
We
didn't
much
failed,
it
failed.
I
didn't
know
it
failed.
I
thought
we
had
four
to
two.
It
was
three
to
three
see
it.
That's
why
I
couldn't
ask
a
question,
so
you
know,
what's
going
on.
A
A
A
F
A
C
A
E
A
E
A
E
H
A
H
C
E
A
S
A
A
A
AA
A
D
A
A
Bills
the
bill
passes
and
it
will
be
on
the
november
ballot.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
appreciate
the
public
input.
The
public
comment
took
a
while
to
get
there,
but
but
we're
there.
So
I
will
wait
for
a
few
moments
before
we
continue
our
meeting.
If
anybody
wants
to
to
leave
now,
we
do
have
some
more
business
that
we
need
to
take
care
of
so
we'll
pause
for
a
moment.
P
AA
O
D
A
D
An
ordinance
calling
elections
to
amend
the
saint
charles
county
charter,
one
by
making
its
provisions
on
conflicts
of
interest
applicable
to
candidates
for
county
office
and
county
officers,
elect
two
by
prohibiting
lobbying
by
former
elected
officials
of
saint
charles
county
until
one
year
after
they
have
left
county
office
and
three
by
prohibiting
former
elected
officials
of
saint
charles
county
from
holding
compensated
appointed
office
or
employment
with
the
county.
Until
one
year
after
the
expiration
of
the
term
for
which
they
were
elected.
H
C
U
C
U
A
H
H
D
Number
4083
an
ordinance
calling
elections
to
amend
the
saint
charles
county
charter
by
one
making
its
provisions
on
conflicts
of
interest
applicable
to
candidates
for
county
office
and
county
officers
elect
two
by
prohibiting
lobbying
by
former
elected
officials
of
saint
charles
county
until
one
year
after
they
have
left
county
office
and
three
by
prohibiting
former
elected
officials
of
saint
charles
county
from
holding
compensated
appointed
office
or
employment
with
the
county
until
one
year
after
the
expiration
of
the
term
for
which
they
were
elected
council
member
elam.
Yes,.
P
D
D
D
A
A
E
T
D
Fill
number
4091
requested
by
harold
ellis
sponsored
by
council
as
a
whole,
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
county
council
to
execute
agreements
with
other
governmental
agencies,
including
the
missouri
state,
highway
patrol
as
administrator
of
the
missouri
statewide
criminal
justice,
information
systems
or
cgis,
and
the
regional
justice
information
services,
commission
or
regis,
as
required
by
law
for
the
security
and
use
of
criminal
justice.
Information
provided
or
held
by
the
county
counselor's
office
in
prosecuting
violations
of
ordinances
in
the
county.
Municipal
court.
A
A
T
A
E
A
S
E
A
E
AA
E
A
AA
No
one,
yes,
I
know
that
mr
hollander
hated
to
miss
all
the
action
tonight
and
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
know
this,
but
for
your
benefit,
the
people
at
home.
He
was
inducted
tonight
in
the
high
school
football
coaches
hall
of
fame
and
there
are
many
people
in
the
football
high
school
football
coaches
hall
of
fame
in
missouri,
and
there
are
also
many
people
in
the
basketball
coaches
hall
of
fame
in
missouri,
but
he's
the
only
one.
That's
in
both.