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County Council - May 8, 2017 - St. Charles County Government, MO
A
Well,
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
tonight's
County
Council
meeting.
Our
invocation
tonight
is
from
Reverend
Debbie
Bartley.
She
is
with
the
First
United
Methodist
Church
of
st.
Louis
and
our
Pledge
of
Allegiance
will
be
led
by
Councilman
Mike
clink
hammer.
If
you
would
please
stand
and
remove
your
caps.
C
B
B
We
pray
send
your
blessings
upon
our
county
executive,
the
members
of
this
council
and
all
those
serving
in
st.
Charles
Counties
governments.
Their
tasks
are
great
and
our
needs
are
many,
keep
their
hearts
and
minds
open
to
all
the
possibilities
for
offering
hope
to
the
people
of
st.
Charles.
County
give
this
to
them.
God
an
extra
measure
of
wisdom,
courage
and
grace
to
faithfully
complete
the
work
for
which
they
had
been
elected
and
called
to
do
with
grateful
hearts.
We
pray,
amen.
G
H
A
I
B
I
Mr.
chairman,
members
of
the
council,
just
a
few
items
here,
first
of
all
want
to
thank
representative
Curt
bar.
He
brought
us
a
copy
of
the
signed
by
the
governor
of
the
uber
lift
bill
and
I
will
be
putting
that
on
a
wall
somewhere.
If
anybody
has
any
suggestions,
I'm
healthy
glad
to
listen
to
it,
but
I
think
I
also
got
a
note
from
the
governor
thanking
all
of
us,
for
whatever
we
did
to
kind
of
push
that
thing
forward
and
I
think
we
got
it
some
additional
publicity
and
he
was
grateful.
I
Last
Friday,
mr.
chairman,
you
called
me
and
asked
me
to
to
kind
of
give
a
report
on
the
on
the
flooding
and
at
the
time,
I
anticipated
this.
This
report
might
be
a
lot
longer,
but
we've
I
think
been
pretty
lucky
now
saying
that
there
are
some
people
who
have
been
affected
and
don't
want
to
downplay
the
tragedy
that
they've
that
they've
gone
through,
but
all
of
the
I
think
all
of
the
homes
that
are
protected
by
levees.
I
All
the
levees
held
the
one
levee
that
didn't
was
Augusta
bottom
road,
but
I,
don't
think
it
protects
anybody's
home,
but
it
does
protect
the
Augusta
bottom
road,
so
the
Augusta
Bottom
levee
broke
and
we're
back
to
square
one.
Mr.
Brassel
I
called
the
herald
Ellis
and
told
him
he
couldn't
retire.
Now
we
need
to
get
back
on
that
and
but
just
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
an
instant
response
report.
I
This
is
kind
of
an
overview
of
what
the
county
departments
in
the
EOC
did.
Most
of
what
we
do
is
is
coordination
between
the
various
jurisdictions.
We
worked
with
a
City
of
West
Alton
and
we
worked
with
mode
ID
on
road
closures,
worked
with
the
rivers,
Point
Fire
Protection
District
down
in
North
End
consolidated,
North
County,
levee
district.
They
did
have
a
rather
serious
situation.
They
had
an
area
that
has
been
in
need
of
repair
for
several
years
and
the
Corps
has
drug
its
feet
and
not
fixed
it,
because
it's
on
Corps
property.
I
So
as
soon
as
the
water
start
coming
up,
we
sent
some
material
down
there
and
the
farmers
got
out
on
their
tractors
and
fixed
it.
Quick
and
they
were
able
to
avoid
any
kind
of
problem,
but
you
know
I,
guess
it's
a
credit
to
that
that
levee
district,
because
I
was
down
I
drove
down
to
the
dam
in
the
water
at
one
point
was
flowing
over
the
road
because
the
road
was
on
the
top
of
the
levee
in
the
water
was
flowing
over.
I
It
is
about
that
thick
okay,
but
that
that
my
point
is
that
and
I
drove
on
Solley
Road
to
in
the
water
was
right
up
to
the
top
okay.
Now,
when
the
water
comes
right
at
the
top,
obviously
it
doesn't
go
over.
But
if
you
haven't
really
maintained
those
levees
well
they'll
break.
So
congratulations
to
the
people
in
those
levee
districts
that
held
and
if
they
hadn't
done
good
maintenance
work.
Over
the
years
we
could
have
had
a
real
problem,
the
good
news.
Of
course
it
was
a
flash
flood.
I
So
once
it
went
up
within
a
day
it
starts
to
go
down,
but
anyway
all
the
levies
did
hold,
except
for
a
Agusta
bottom.
We
worked
with
augusta
fire
protection,
district,
augusta
bottom
levee,
district,
central
County,
Fire
and
Rescue
these
levee
districts.
What
we
basically
do
with
them
is
when,
when
they
think
they
have
need
emergency
repairs
or
measures,
we
go
ahead
and
provide
the
material
we'll
bring
sand
and
gravel
millings.
I
We
provided
375
tons
of
rock
425
tons
of
sand.
100
tons
to
Augusta
bottoms,
didn't
help
much
Road
millings,
crushed
concrete
190
tons,
26,000
sandbags
and
miscellaneous
flood
fighting
equipment
and
accessories
the
estimated
cost
of
that
material
right
now
is
about
87
hundred
dollars.
But
that's
that's,
that's
not
final,
so
there
will
be
a
cost,
but
it
will
not
be
major
and
I'm
sure
we
will
continue
to
talk
about
flooding
issues
in
the
next
in
the
next
couple
months.
I
think
I'll
stop
there
and
ask
if
there's
any
questions.
J
Think
Moe
dad
did
a
great
job
counting
everybody
did
a
good
job
with
his
flood.
It
was
somewhat
unexpected
and
last
week
and
when
it
was
rain
and
I've
never
Steve
I'm
eating
around
so
hard.
In
my
life
it
was
like
buckets,
it
was
unbelievable
and
the
roads
did.
94
was
flooded
in
multiple
spots,
I've
been
on
for
20
years,
I've,
never
seen
a
water
that
high
ever
was
unbelievable,
but
they
got
the
roads
cleaned
off.
That
went
when
the
water
went
down
on
Sunday
morning.
J
I
L
I'd
like
to
speak
briefly
about
a
wind
event
turned
out
to
be
a
tornado
that
we
experienced
on
April
29th
2017
in
the
short
period
I've
been
here.
This
will
be
the
first
disaster
that
building
and
code
enforcement
responded
to,
and
we
got
called
out
that
afternoon
to
respond
to
what
we
were
told
was
a
wind
event
with
an
unknown
number
of
structures
affected.
So
we
came
out
about
4:30
on
that
Saturday
afternoon.
L
As
you
can
see
there
on
the
slide,
you
can
see
the
path
of
the
tornado
about
six
miles
from
Camp
Bill,
all
the
way
up
to
Lake,
Saddam
marina,
and
we
had
several
places
that
were
hit
and
it
kind
of
popped
up
and
down,
but
we
showed
up
I
showed
up
to
the
Emergency
Operations
Center.
We
had
two
inspectors
that
went
out
to
the
field
and
met
up
with
our
mobile
base.
Command,
went
out
and
took
a
look
and
did
initial
assessments.
We
ended
activity
is
the
first
Saturday
at
nine
o'clock.
L
We
started
on
Sunday
at
8
a.m.
and
finished
at
11
of
the
36
buildings
that
had
some
sort
of
inspection
conducted.
We
had
several
that
had
no
damage,
so
that
was
great.
We
tried
to
go
out
and
take
a
look
at
where
damage
is
reported
and
work
our
way
out,
because
this
shows
up
on
a
map
you
can
clearly
see
where
the
storm
hit.
You
can
also
see
that
we
had
just
a
couple
that
had
severe
damage
and
if
we
go
to
the
next
slide
here,.
L
We
had
36
properties
inspected,
we
placarded
zero
is
unsafe.
So
that's
great.
We
had
three
that
we
have
restricted
use
because
portion
of
the
building
was
damaged
and
they'll
need
to
pull,
permitting
and
get
that
repaired,
and
then
we
had
33
that
were
inspected
and
the
total
damage
that
we
assessed
was
four
hundred
and
twenty
nine
thousand
nine
hundred
$59,
and
we
were
able
to
put
that
information
together
by
the
time
we
left
the
EOC.
L
C
L
L
L
M
Time,
thank
you
councillor
Neelam.
If
I
can
mention
and
Jared
said,
you
know,
I
indicated
how
much
of
a
change
in
these
made
I
don't
think
anyone
comes
close
to
defining
the
scope
of
how
different
our
response
was,
how
much
more
real-time
information
was
available
to
the
administration
to
Emergency
Management
in
the
EOC.
M
We
invest
a
lot
of
money
in
technology
and
you
see
a
lot
of
bills
for
technology
platforms
in
citizen
serve
and
Jared's
deployment
of
that
platform
and
community
development
has
made
a
significant
increase
in
our
ability
to
respond
quickly,
provide
information
to
FEMA
and
make
sure
that
everyone
who's
out
in
the
field
is
knowing
what's
going
on
where
we've
been
already
and
what
work
we
have
yet
to
do
so.
I
really
can
Jarrid
for
having
completely
transformed
this
process
for
st.
Charles
County
excellent.
N
N
What
you
guys
have
said
about
the
flood
I,
my
offices
in
Valley
Park,
and
we
were
we
were
evacuated
and
for
five
days
had
no
idea
what
was
going
on
and
not
only
MoDOT,
but
my
and
I'm
a
jefferson
county
as
well,
and
you
guys
are
lucky
to
have
the
folks
who
did.
I
was
able
to
come
up
for
a
planning
and
zoning
meeting
the
first
day
that
we
were
evacuated
and
just
the
president's
you
guys
had
coming
in
that
night
was
amazing.
So
thank
you
very
much.
O
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
chairman
members
of
the
County
Council
Arne
ACG
knows
public
advocate
and
Ken
resident.
The
first
things
I'd
like
to
talk
about
are
the
towers
in
our
county.
As
we
all
know,
this
is
a
maybe
might
last
five
or
ten
years
additional.
These
towers
and
they're
all
forms
as
LLC's
limited
partnerships,
which
leaves
little
liability
for
taxpayers
in
4470
and
bill
4473
I'm
asking
the
County
Council
place
a
require
a
condition
of
80
thousand
dollar
bond.
O
We
need
fairness
and
full
transparency
back
to
our
county
government
as
I've
spoken
over
and
over
before
before
the
County
Council
meeting
was
the
ad
hoc
development
and
building
research
committee.
How
was
this
committee
formed
as
what
I'm
asking
the
council?
Why
is
its
members
not
cognizant
in
a
cross
makeup
of
the
entire
community,
but
a
very
select
few?
It
sounds
like
the
special-interest
County
Country
Club.
One
we
have
build
Lucan
house,
a
developer
and
subdivision
owner
I,
see
money
and
dollar
signs.
O
We
Abed
brad
growths
a
land
attorney
who
represents
several
applicants
before
this
council
with
zoning
manners,
planning
and
zoning
issues
and
subdivisions.
Three
is
Don
Myers
vice
president
of
People's
Bank,
who
lends
the
money
to
these
developers.
Then
we
have
Celeste
Rooter
who's,
the
executive
vice
president
of
the
st.
Louis
home
owners,
our
Home
Builders
Association.
She
had
to
see
the
table
at
the
first
meeting
and
it's
a
second
meeting.
O
Is
he
introduction
of
proposed
bill
4475,
which
has
five
council
members,
miraculously
this
is
of
grave
concern?
Are
we
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse
when
the
committee
has
only
held
its
second
meeting
just
minutes
ago
with
the
third
Muni
to
be
held
on
June
5th?
This
deals
with
the
International
code
to
international
residential
building
code,
the
International
Mechanical
Code
to
international
fuel
code,
the
National
Fire
Prevention
Code,
the
National
Electrical
Code,
the
international
building
building
code,
the
international
plumbing.
F
A
P
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
board
and
I'm
glad
you
addressed
our
wind
event.
As
we
got
letters
out
there
I
own
for
two
buildings
that
were
hit
well,
three
now
ones
gone,
but
my
main
concern
about
what
happened
here
is
335
in
afternoon
when
it
hit
South
Shore
subdivision
like
to
kickoff
and
witnesses,
and
the
security
cameras
picked
up
what
they
could
before
electric
went
out.
The
issue
is
no
sirens.
Nobody
had
any
warning.
It's
like
you
open
that
door
and
somebody
punched
you
in
the
face
people
were
sitting
there.
P
Houses
looking
after
kitchen
windows
in
bed,
read
a
book
and
this
was
very
potentially
very
interest
to
a
lot
of
people
or
even
lethal,
and
how
so
many
things
being
at
the
wrong
place
right
place
at
the
wrong
time
and
the
sirens
right
up
the
street.
It
went
fine
Monday
morning
on
a
nine
o'clock
test.
P
They
worked
great,
so
I,
don't
know
where
the
problem
is
I'm,
not
accusing
anybody
anything,
but
it
definitely
needs
to
be
addressed,
because
this
was
potentially
a
very,
very
bad
situation
and
what,
in
our
circumstances
for
the
subdivision,
they
were
ready
to
drop
the
bridge.
The
week
before
to
our
subdivision
and
we've
been
addressed,
I've
been
addressing
this
personally
because
of
the
timing
of
this
event.
P
P
That
too
Monday
we're
going
to
check,
watch
the
water
levels
and
sure
enough,
instead
of
wait
in
front
of
water,
we
got
flanked
by
a
tornado,
so
but
I
would
wish
you
guys
would
really
address
this
issue,
because
there
was
no
sirens
in
this
middle
e
afternoon
could
have
been
in
middle
of
night,
but
this
a
very
bad
situation
where
it
could
have
got
real
bad.
So
I
appreciate
your
concern,
honest
and
Belgium's.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
P
A
M
I
The
we
turn
on
the
sirens,
but
we're
not
the
weatherman
and
I,
don't
think
the
National
Weather
Service
gave
us
a
the
heads
up.
Is
that
correct?
So
unless
they
tell
us,
there's
a
there's,
a
tornado
in
the
area.
You
know
that's
when
we
turn
the
siren
on
and
we
didn't
know
spotters
reported
it
yeah.
So
so.
I
Decide
whether
or
not
somebody
unless
one
of
our
police
officers
I
know
a
couple
years
ago,
one
of
our
police
officers
actually
first
saw
it
and
reported
it
in
but
yeah.
We
we
don't
worse,
we're
sitting
in
the
EOC.
We
don't.
We
don't
know
what
the
weather
is
until
the
Weather
Service
tells
us
right.
A
D
A
F
I
I
M
West
Dalton
had
requested
it
kind
of
in
advance
of
flood
season.
I
don't
have
the
history
of
why
this
has
always
been
done,
just
as
it
occurs,
as
opposed
to
just
having
a
standing
contract
with
them.
That
I
was
something
I
was
going
to
investigate
once
Joanne
was
back
bite
me
I
mean
we're
standing
here
today
with
water
levels
that
are
down
so
I'm,
not
sure.
What's
Dalton
would
say
we
absolutely
have
to
have
this
today.
Although.
I
I
A
F
K
K
K
A
A
F
Number
44
66
on
ordinance
authorizing
the
county
executive
or
his
designee
to
execute
to
intergovernmental
agreements
with
the
Missouri
Department
of
Economic,
Development
Division
of
Workforce
Development
and
the
st.
Charles
County
Department
of
Workforce
and
business
development
related
to
the
Workforce
Innovation
and
Opportunity
Act
Act,
practically
r16
and
project
year.
17Th
annual
agreements,
any.
F
Authorizing
the
county
executive
or
his
designee
to
execute
to
intergovernmental
agreements
with
Missouri
Department
of
Economic,
Development
Division
of
Workforce
Development
and
the
st.
Charles
County
Department
of
Workforce
and
business
development
related
to
the
Workforce
Innovation
and
Opportunity
Act
project
year,
16
and
project
year,
17
annual
agreements,
councilmember
Brazel.
Yes,.
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Ordinance
authorizing
the
county
executive
or
instead
need
to
execute
an
agreement
with
the
United
States
Marshal
Service,
a
department
within
the
United
States
Department
of
Justice
for
housing,
federal
prisoners,
inmates
in
the
st.
Charles
County
Department
of
Corrections
council
member
Hammond.
Yes,
council,
member
Yellen,
yes,
councilmember
Hollander,.
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Bridge
that
was
in
question
next,
that
mobile
home
is
was
just
it's
like
two
doors
down
three
doors
down
from
this
property
and
the
subdivision
Wellness
Springs
Gardens
edition
it
was
sort
of
like
1959.
Even
before
the
zoning
and
subdivision
regulations,
circle
drive
itself,
you
can
go
around
it
two
ways,
but
both
ways
the
creek
is
the
bridge
I
should
say,
is
low
enough.
It's
below
the
base
flood
elevation,
so
basically
it
doesn't
have
flood
free
access.
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Councilmember
I
mentioned
and
Roberts
very
close
to
accurate.
My
recollection
was
there's
23
Lots
in
this
original
subdivision
largest,
one
is
over
seven
acres,
the
other
22,
our
five
acres
are
smaller,
so
I
think
the
math.
If
you
can
get
320
thousand
square
foot
Lots
out
of
one
and
a
half
acres,
you've
got
some
other
very
sizable
Lots
in
the
subdivision.
That
would
that.
E
Night
at
PMZ
we
heard
from
several
the
neighbors
that
were
concerned
about
cutting
it
down
to
lots
of
that
of
that
size.
Now
in
full
disclosure,
the
Lots
on
the
other
side,
the
back
up
to
it
are
a
smaller
caliber
they're
in
the
ten
thousands
I
believe
if
I
remember
correctly
right
there
in
the
10,000
square
foot
size,
but
in
this
particular
subdivision
that
are
on
the
loop
or
the
circle
are,
are
much
larger,
Lots,
okay,.
G
E
G
Think
I
would
have
a
hard
time
supporting
on
this
development,
since
people
buy
these
homes
and
then
someday
arrange
and
they
can't
get
to
their
house
or
leave
their
house
because
they're
in
a
flood
prone
area
and
had
no
idea
was
that
before
they
before
they
bought
the
house.
You
know
the
house
is
in
the
floodplain
and
some
of
that
information
is
publicly
available
or
if
it
was
because
the
property
was
elevated
or
whatever
to
it
accommodate.
So
it
meet
the
code.
So
I
don't.
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Number
44
70
request
by
Michael
Herbert,
sponsored
by
Joe
Cronin
and
ordinance,
granting
conditional
use
permits
eup
17,
oh
three,
to
allow
the
applicant
to
increase
the
height
of
an
existing
107
foot,
monopole
style
communications
tower
to
160
feet
and
to
allow
160
foot
tall
tower
to
be
set
back,
107
feet
from
the
nearest
agricultural
or
residential
district
Randy
L,
shot
Janet
and
shot
and
Stanley
tee
shot.
Revocable
enter
Vios,
Trust
property
owners
and
selective
solutions.
Llc
applicant
any.
K
Just
14
people
wrote
letters
in
opposition
of
this,
and
just
just
for
those
folks
to
know,
because
my
name
in
the
bill
doesn't
mean
I
necessarily
support
this.
That's
just
the
custom
we
have
in
the
council.
This
is
the
first
I've
seen
of
this
and
when
I
read
the
packet
this
weekend
was
the
first
I've
saw
it
so
I
do
have
some
questions
as
14
resident
hobbies
aren't
happy
with
this.
If.
N
K
K
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K
I
can
tell
you
from
Lorraine
Drive
there's
one
on
highway.
Why
close
to
the
city
of
st.
Paul
proper,
probably
a
mile
I'm
guessing
I?
Can
google
map
it?
Okay,
there's
nothing
real
close!
You
also
got
one
at
the
downtown
O'fallon,
it's
pretty
close
by
the
crow
flies,
so
sure
I,
don't
think.
There's
anything!
This
is
an
existing
tower
site.
That's
serving
customers
so
correct
it
rather.
E
Mr.
president,
I
think
I
know
where
you
might
have
been
thinking
along
the
same
lines.
I
did
well
at
the
Planning
and
Zoning
meeting
and
you
know:
can
we
co-located
antennas
on
other
towers
and
and
keep
the
height
of
the
towers
down,
and
unfortunately
we
don't?
We
can't
require
them
to
do
that,
it's
outside
of
our
of
our
purview,
so
that
wasn't
something
that
we
could
really
force
any
many
of
them
to
use
a
different
tower
and
different
existing
tower.
E
This
one
does
need
we
went
through
quite
a,
and
the
gentleman
did
a
very
good
job,
explaining
the
need
for
the
for
the
additional
height
and
the
the
amount
of
higher
level
service
that
will
be
available
in
them.
We
all
have
the
smart
phones
down.
They
require
a
bandwidth,
that's
different
than
than
what
those
are
previously
I.
Think
that's
why
the
PMD
board
looked
at
it
and
agreed
that
the
recommendation
was
in
the
affirmative.
That's.
G
Right
I
just
want
to
point
out
it
under
state
law,
we're
limited
what
we
can
do
as
far
as
requirements
on
cell
towers,
as
somebody
previously
mentioned,
required
some
kind
of
fee
to
pay
to
have
it
removed
down
the
road
we
just.
We
can't
do
that
under
County
laws
and
it's
the
state
already
mandates
of
limited
powers
that
we
have
over
communication
towers.
That's
my
only
comment.
Any.
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Number
44
72
request
by
Michael
Herbert,
sponsored
by
Nike
law,
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
county
executive
to
execute
intergovernmental
agreements
with
special
districts
that
provide
sanitary
sewer
service
within
st.
Charles
County,
in
order
to
authorize
those
special
districts
to
inspect
for
compliance
with
applicable
codes,
repaired,
lateral,
sanitary
sewer
service
lines
in
unincorporated,
st.
Charles
County
when
those
repairs
are
funded
in
whole
or
in
part
by
annual
fees
Levy
and
opposed
by
those
special
districts
to
fund
such
repairs.
Any.
A
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K
K
K
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
this
on
our
standards,
but
you
know,
as
the
technology
changes
I
do
understand,
a
little
bit
of
the
possibility
of
these
towers
do
get
in
a
band
and
down
the
road.
You
know
we
have
a
whole
lot
of
towers
to
clean
up
I.
Think
it's
important
I,
don't
know
if
it's
on
our
codes
or
not
that
if
there's
nothing
built
in
the
fall
zone
of
these
towers,
okay
and
they
can
let
essentially
be
dropped
down.
K
The
road
like
big
trees
and
the
scrap
metal
guys
will
come
in
and
get
that
metal.
Real,
quick,
like
so
I
mean
I,
think
that's
pretty
important
mean
for
what
it
is,
as
simple
I
mean
like,
for
instance,
the
one
on
Lorraine
that
gentleman
is
asking
for.
If
some
happens,
the
cellphone
towers
aren't
needed
anymore
and
the
cell
phone
companies
aren't
around
and
take
them
down.
Cables
can
be
cut.
You
know
it
can
be
dropped
on
a
calm
day
with
no
property
damage
and
there's
some
residual
value.
That's
craft
or
paper.
K
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Number
44
74
request
by
Michael
Herbert
spawns
by
John
White
and
Mike
ela
in
Oregon
start
sizing
the
county,
exact
executive
or
his
designee
to
execute
a
grant
agreement
and
funding
approval
with
the
State
Emergency
Management
Agency
for
a
grant
from
the
Federal
Emergency
Management
Agency
FEMA
to
fund
100%
of
the
projected
total
cost
of
acquiring
and
demolishing
two
residential
structures
sustaining
severe
and
repetitive
loss
and
flood
hazard
zones
of
unincorporated
st.
Charles
County.
Any.
F
E
I
can
mr.
chairman,
yes,
sir
I'd
like
to
have
drew
Hefner,
come
forward
and
talk
about
some
changes
that
I
would
like
to
make
as
far
as
an
amendment
this
bill.
Yes,
when
I
was
preparing
for
today's
meeting
on
Friday
that
one
of
the
issues
that
we
talked
about
was
that
there
are
some
high
fees
that
were
associated
with
the
if
you
don't
have
a
permit
or
if
your
permit
lapses.
So
I
asked
working
through
Jared
and
withdrew
his
help.
E
S
Thank
You
mr.
chairman,
at
the
bequest
of
mr.
clean
hammer,
I,
did
make
some
amendments
to
the
bill.
4475
and
really
all
I
amended
were
the
the
penalty
provisions
for
each
section
so
kind
of
by
a
way
of
a
little
background.
What
traditionally
happens
is
each
of
those
codes
that
would
read
to
you.
They
had
a
penalty
provision
that
violation
of
this
code
is
a
misdemeanor,
and
so
that's
what
the
code
had
said
for
years.
S
Then,
in
the
last
couple
years,
with
a
lot
of
the
Municipal
Court
Reform,
the
Missouri
legislature
had
amended
and
placed
some
caps
in
place
on
particular
fines
associated
with
certain
violations.
So
not
all
violations,
but
just
certain
violations
where
they
found
municipalities
were
kind
of
taking
advantage
of
their
citizens
and
hitting
them
with
high
fines
to
kind
of
finance
these
some
of
these
smaller
municipalities.
E
S
K
K
Apologize
that
I
haven't
worked
on
this
as
much
as
I
wanted
to,
because
I've
been
really
busy.
But
this
thing
is
massive:
that's
what
you
got
to
go
through
right
and,
unfortunately,
I
wish.
We
were
like
our
Congress,
where
we
have
a
congressional
budget
office
that
we
could
go
to
and
say:
what's
this
going
to
cost,
what's
this
going
to
cost
to
implement
in
this
county,
so
not
having
the
rebuilds
resources,
I
called
a
lot
of
builders.
I
have
some
discussions
of
the
Home
Builders
Association
too,
and
I
would
caution
Home,
Builders
Association
be
careful.
K
What
you
ask
are
because
the
builders
are
telling
me
right
off.
The
bat
would
just
skimming
the
top
of
this
that
it's
three
to
eight
thousand
dollars
a
home,
okay,
and
not
only
that,
but
there's
some
particularly
the
would
joy.
I
joist
and
firefighters
that
this
a
joist
I
put
this
report
out.
Switching
over
one
builder
in
the
county
said
they're
going
to
switch
away
from
manufacturing
floor,
joists
to
traditional
song,
lumber
and,
and
anybody
that's
real
keyed
up
on
home
building
construction
custom
homes
now
are
all
made
to
manufacture
joists
the
benefits.
K
Ours
are
straighter,
they're
stronger
and
you
can
stick
a
drywall
to
the
bottom
side
of
them
and
it's
perfectly
true
sawn
lumber.
They
take
the
good
top
and
put
up
to
the
floor
to
put
the
bottom
on
the
bat
on
the
bottom.
You
got
a
wavy
flow
in
the
basement,
so
there's
a
lot
a
lot
of
benefits
of
those
type
of
joists
and
the
biggest
problem
I
have
is
with
these
and
just
discuss
with
the
builders.
That
is
the
biggest
thing
to
the
data
about
house
much
safer.
K
This
makes
a
house
is
arguable
at
best
the
difference
as
a
matter
of
a
few
extra
minutes,
a
firefighter
might
get.
In
fact,
one
insurance
report
said
it
wasn't
this
particular
floor.
Joist
construction
wasn't
as
big
as
fire
danger
to
new
houses.
It's
new
furniture
that
the
old
flashpoint
on
old
furniture
in
the
70s
was
about
30
Mets
and
me
flies
for
the
furniture.
K
Will
flash
at
1100
agrees
in
five
minutes,
so
what
I
guess
I'm
saying
is
I'd
like
to
hear
more
from
the
builders
of
this
county,
how
it's
going
to
affect
them
and
no
disrespect
the
ladies
from
the
Home
Builders
Association,
but
I
went
out
and
talked
to
some
of
the
builders
about
it.
Several
of
them.
One
builder
in
particularly
builds
in
the
city
of
wince
Ville.
They
also
build
in
st.
Charles
County.
They
also
build
in
Warren
in
Lincoln,
County,
okay.
K
They
told
me
in
the
wind
spill,
because
once
Ville
did
adopt
this
okay
just
a
few
weeks
ago,
that
they
went
and
went
still
did
allow
them
to
get
all
the
permits
for
one
spill,
they're
building
45
homes
in
Wentzville
this
year
and
they
got
45
permits,
so
they
didn't
have
to
do
it
under
this
new
program.
Additionally,
they
said
it's
going
to
make
our
homes
pricing
considerably
higher
than
their
Warren
County,
okay
in
Lincoln
County
homes,
which
I
think
also
hurts
our
building
industry
in
this
county
and
the
other
thing
is.
K
Is
they
question
how
this
is
good?
They
don't
think
this
is
going
to
make
the
house
any
better.
Okay,
we
already
have
bicode
wired
fire
alarm
systems
when
the
houses
they're
smoking.
The
house
alarm
goes
out
to
the
whole
house
to
tell
people
to
get
out.
Firefighters
have
thermal
imaging
equipment
where
they
can
see
where
the
fire
is
at.
How
many
thousands
of
dollars
do
we
need
to
spend
for
that
little
extra
margin
of
safety
of
a
few
minutes,
and
that's
the
if
you
want
my
support
from
this
from
the
building
department.
K
I
need
to
know
more
about
that,
because
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
field
and
the
built
in
the
building
industry,
if
this
is
going
to
raise
our
price
of
our
entry
level
housing
stock,
a
lot
of
young
families
that
look
to
move
to
st.
Charles
County,
particularly
in
my
district
and
Wentzville,
may
be
priced
out
of
homes,
because
the
fact
that
to
adhere
to
these
new
codes,
Wentzville
has
already
talked
about
them.
K
I
talked
to
the
mayor
today
he's
realizing
that
there's
a
lot
of
problems
he
didn't
vote
on
it,
but
the
Board
of
Aldermen
did
and
they're
concerned
about
it.
So
that's
my
concerns
about
the
whole
thing.
If
we
want
I,
think
I
don't
want
to
rush
the
passages
through
I
think
we
need
to
do
our
due
diligence,
because
the
homebuilding
ministry
is
extremely
important
to
this
County.
A
lot
of
people
of
our
citizens
work
in
home
building
industry.
K
E
And
joy
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
it.
It
makes
sense
from
the
standpoint,
however,
comparing
st.
Charles
County
in
Lincoln
County
doesn't
really
it's
not
a
good
comparison.
Lincoln
County
threw
up
their
hands
completely
and
they
don't
even
inspect
out
there.
I
don't
I.
Don't
think
that
that
is
the
standard
that
we
need
to
to
work
towards.
It
is
I
believe
in
building
codes
we
built
houses
in
Lincoln
County
and
we
build
them
to
st.
Charles
codes.
E
Lincoln
County
doesn't
do
any
inspections
at
all,
though,
so
it
is.
It's
not
a
standard
that
I
think
that
we
that
we
need
to
compare
herself
against
I,
also
looked
at
it
from
you
know.
Does
this
item
in
particular?
Is
it
hurting
the
market
and
I
free?
The
central
cities
already
have
adopted
the
this
code,
and
so
far
it
is
now
affecting
the
the
ability
to
to
build
and
sell
homes.
The
villages
of
Provence
write
down
that
at
the
end
of
5th
Street,
5th
and
Randolph
is
selling
out
extremely
quickly.
E
Newtown
has
a
new
resurgence
of
building.
That's
going
on
so
right
now,
anyway,
the
the
evidence
isn't
there
that
it's
that
it's
affecting
the
the
ability
for
builders
to
to
to
build
and
sell
new
homes,
as
just
looking
out
or
literally
looking
out
the
window
here
in
NC
m.
What's
going
on
in
in
this
particular
market,
mr.
Brazil
well,.
J
First
I'd
like
to
thank
you
guys
for
making
some
of
the
changes
that
you
did
make,
but
I
agree
with
both
of
you.
I
agree
with
mr.
Cronin
on
the
fact
that
these
these
does
this
this
floor.
Joist
thing
is:
there's
never
been
any
any
evidence
to
prove
that
it's
going
to
make
the
home
better
and-
and
you
can
always
sway
numbers,
one
way
or
the
other,
with
surveys
and
whatever
else.
But
what
we
have
to
keep
in
mind
is
is
yeah.
We
don't
want
to
be
like
Lincoln,
County
or
Warren.
J
County
I
agree
with
that,
but
we
don't
want
to
necessarily
be
like
st.
Louis
County.
Neither
and
a
lot
of
people
lived
in
st.
Louis
County,
who
live
here
now
and
one
reason
a
lot
of
people
move
out
here,
especially
young
families,
is
because
the
housing
stock
is
much
more
affordable.
You
get
a
good
quality
home
and
what
we're
doing
is
is
we're
adding
cost
that
not
going
to
be
recognizable
because
our
arts
are
it's
not
added
value
is
what
I'm
saying
not
to
the
consumer.
J
There's
no
evidence
is
what
we're
doing
here
with
this
particular
issue.
Some
of
the
stuff
I
get
I,
understand,
there's
new
concepts
and
new
new
ideas
and
new
products
that
we
have
to
insert
it
up
into
our
codes,
but
you
don't
want
to
over
regulate.
You
can
only
make
something
so
safe
same
with
cars.
Anything
you're
going
to
get
only
so
safe,
and
so
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
over-regulated
it
because
we're
being
told
by
people
who
do
this
for
a
living
but
are
the
are
the
consumers
being
asked?
J
Do
I
get
true
value
out
of
that?
No,
not
really
is
it
safer
now
that
we
did
that?
No
not
really
so
why
are
we
doing
it?
We
don't
really
know
because
we're
being
told
we
need
to
do
it
by
bureaucrats.
So
that's
why
sup
this
upgrade
in
these
building
codes
and
a
lot
of
instances
doesn't
really
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
me.
If
someone
could
tell
me
specifically,
this
is
why
we're
doing
it
it's
going
to
do
it's
going
to
make
it
better.
For
this
reason,
specifically
this
reason
specifically
this
reason.
J
It's
specifically
this
reason.
Then
it's
okay,
okay,
you
sold
me
on
it.
I
haven't
been
sold
on
this
now
for
some
reason,
this
council
things
that
we
have
to
pass
this
and
I
don't
understand
that
either
I,
don't
know
where
the
pressure
is
coming
from.
The
HPA
sends
a
letter
of
agreement
over
simply
because
they
think
that
they
got
five
votes
and
it's
going
to
happen
anyway.
They
don't
necessarily,
if
you
ask
them,
do
you
want
this
new
town,
2015
ABC?
The
answer
would
be.
No.
J
If
I
have
a
choice,
absolutely
not
they
don't
want
it,
but
they
think
it's
going
to
happen
anyway.
So
they're
going
to
be
agreeable
to
it.
Now
you
can
look
at
whoever
and
ask
them
what
their
will
answered,
but
you
acted
asked
individual
builders,
that's
what
they
will
tell
you
and
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
builders.
As
someone
made
a
comment
about
the
HPA
I'm,
not
any
talking
to
them
about
what
their
profits
are.
I'm.
Talking
about
my
kids
that
are
buying
houses
in
this
in
st.
J
Charles
County
I'm,
talking
about
people
who
are
trying
to
buy
a
1500
square
foot
house
and
another
10,
20
thousand
dollars
that
could
be
furniture
and
it
could
be
a
lot
of
things,
and
so
that's
why
I
don't
agree
with
it.
It's
not
about
it's!
It's
just
about
proven
to
me
that
this
is
absolutely
needed,
and
why
are
we
doing
it
and
I
haven't
been
given
a
good
answer
on
that.
Yet
mr.
G
I
guess
I
would
like
to
respond
by
saying
it.
Well,
it
has
to
do
with
keeping
up
with
the
technology
and
also
keeping
up
with
you
know,
form
codes
without
throughout
this
county.
When
we
adopt
the
code,
a
lot
of
the
cities
they're
building
officials
meet,
and
we
discussed
the
different
codes
and
and
issues
that
we
see
with
that
as
abilities
for
building
officials
and
they
move
in
the
same
direction
so
that
things
are
uniform
in
the
county.
G
You
don't
have
to
go
from
one
city
and
be
required
to
do
something
and
go
to
another
city
and
they
have
entirely
different
rules.
That
makes
it
a
lot
more
difficult
for
all
the
building
industry.
I
think
if
this
one
issue
the
would
I
joy,
sir,
it's
that
a
big
concern
by
bike,
councilmen,
frazzle
and
I-
think
I'd
be
willing
to
second
any
amendment.
If
you're
going
to
offer
it
to
rehab,
then
the
fire
protection
renewed
from
the
Hide
Joyce
and
glad
to
proceed
that
way.
If
it's
it's
a
big
issue
with
you
all
the.
K
Scrub
I
think
that
is
the
biggest
issue,
because,
while
I
was
concerned
about
the
size
of
outbuildings
and
the
house
house,
offenses
out
in
the
farm
areas
that
I
represent,
the
biggest
thing
to
me
is
to
keep
the
homebuilding
industry
go
in
this
county.
Keep
make
sure
the
young
families
want
to
buy
a
house
afford
a
new
house
talking
the
builders
and
HBA
folks.
This
is
the
choice,
is
the
biggest
issue
so
I
like
mr.
Hammonds
suggestion
and
I,
would
like
mr.
Heffner
to
prepare.
K
If
he's
still
here,
he
is
get
prepare
an
amendment
to
that
effect.
I,
don't
think,
that's
be
too
cumbersome
for
the
building
officials
as
well,
because
the
2015
code
also
requires
sprinkler
systems
and
we're
opting
out
of
that
as
well.
So
we
can
also
opt
out
of
the
floor.
Joist
and
the
thing
of
it
would
be
is,
is
I,
think
the
ultimate
end
of
it.
K
The
builders
I've
talked
to
responding
either
one
or
two
ways:
either
they're
going
to
put
more
steel
and
go
back
to
rid
dimensional,
solid
lumber,
which
is
in
that
can,
since
you've
got
an
inferior
house
or
B
they're
going
to
cover
up
those
joists
with
with
drywall.
My
son
was
a
young
fellow
with
a
new
wife
and
a
new
baby
lives
in
Wentzville
and
his
subdivision
and
I'd
like
a
lot
of
centers
in
Wentzville.
If
you
go
to
woods,
fills
restaurants
you'll
see
most
of
people
in
there
2530
years
old.
K
Oh,
you
know
guys
like
me,
don't
fit
too
well,
but
one
almost
the
thing
of
its
kind
of
neat,
a
generational
thing:
it's
like
a
rite
of
passage
for
those
guys
when
they
buy
their
houses
and
they
can
barely
get
in
the
house
and
then
they
want
to
go
finish
their
basement
themselves
and
my
son
did
it
and
all
those
neighbors
did
it,
and
then
they
hang
out
of
their
basement
that
in
Sunday's
paper,
there's
a
there's,
a
nice
thing,
article
about
of
young,
a
family.
You
know
Fallon
that
took
the
basement.
K
They
made
it
look
like
the
the
Scottrade
Center
for
the
hot,
the
Blues
games,
and
if
you
look
at
her
picture,
if
you
got
the
paper
at
home,
look
at
the
top,
it's
manufactured
floor
joists
and
they
pay
in
grace.
They
look
like
the
rafters
at
Scottrade.
So
what
their
thing
too
is
by
covering
those
up
with
drywall
and
eliminates
or
makes
it
much
difficult
for
them
to
finish
their
basements
off,
like
most
young
families
do
so
because
they
have
to
take
to
all
the
drywall
down
to
get
the
electric
and
the
plumbing
the
ductwork.
K
Also,
the
builders
thought
there
would
be
out.
The
Builder
I
thought
to
be
a
big
problem
to
inspection
time
because
they
turn
the
water
on
of
something
leaks.
Then
only
guys
got
to
take
all
the
drywall
down
to
figure
out
where
it's
leaking,
so
I
like
Dave's
idea
and
I,
would
be
more
so
a
lot
more
supportive
of
icily
to
get
that
night.
Good,
mother,
okay,
so.
E
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
covering
it
with
drywall
is
not
the
only
solution
and
the
builders
that
I've
talked
to
that
are
that
are
building
in
Provence
down
here
on
Fifth
Street
have
chose
to
get
the
fire
treated
version
of
the
the
floor.
Joists,
their
cells
are
still
using
them,
they're
just
buying
the
fire
treated
ones,
and
the
guy
did
that
I
had
spoke
to
was
one
of
the
carpenters
and
he
didn't
know
what
the
the
additional
cost
was.
E
J
I
was
just
going
to
one
thing
about
the
International
Building
Code
also
is
is
when
they
say
that
you
want
to
make
everything
the
same
you
wanted
to.
You
don't
want
to
change
from
jurisdiction
to
jurisdiction.
In
fact,
we
should
be
different
because,
like
for
instance-
and
we
talked
about
international,
the
billing
codes
down
south
and
Florida
and
Mississippi
stuff
like
that-
are
much
different
than
the
ones
up
north,
where
the
frost
lines
and
things
like
that
and
what
they're
doing
is
they're
making
an
across-the-board
equal
code.
So
that
creates
problems
as
well.
J
Cuz
things
are
different:
humidity
levels,
wind
levels,
wind
uplift
in
Midwest
and
in
other
parts
area.
So
that's
another
problem,
I
kind
of
have
with
the
International
Building
Code,
it's
not
jurisdictional,
which,
with
insulation,
everything
else,
it
should
be
jurisdictional,
and
so
that's,
if
there's
a
little
bit
more
to
it.
But
I
do
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
would
consider
a
compromise,
because
that
makes
it
a
little
more
acceptable.
You
know
so
I
just
think
that
I
just
think
that
there's
some
things
that
we
should
and
I
know.
J
K
G
G
Example
up
north
they
have
higher
much
higher
snow
loads
and
we
do
that
require
greater
strength
in
their
roofs
too.
So
they
don't
collapse
from
the
heavy
snow
loads.
Where
are
this
part
of
the
country
we're
in
the
middle?
So
our
codes
are
kind
of
at
the
middle,
the
road
there
for
the
type
snows
that
we
get
and
down
south.
They
have
very
there's
our
even
less
because
they
have
little
or
no
snowfall.
So
the
codes
do
it
just
for
the
different
regions
of
the
country.
G
K
K
K
One
of
the
builders
that
was
that
was
talking
about
it,
who
had
a
lot
of
concerns,
was
one
of
the
builders
in
Jackson
estates
that
sub
visions
been
dormant
for
ten
years,
and
now
we
got
activity
they
want
to
build
homes
out
there.
So
I
think
that
this
would
help
them
a
lot
too.
If
we
do
have
amendments
similar,
what
Dave
is
suggesting?
Okay.
A
E
A
F
Number
44
76
an
ordinance
authorizing
for
agreements
between
st.
Charles
County
and
the
city
of
st.
Peters
relating
to
st.
Charles,
County
Serban,
County,
Community,
Development,
Block
Grant
CDBG
program,
including
one
in
2017,
professional
administrative
services
agreement
and
two,
a
2017
agreement
for
administering
urban
county
programs
through
May
31st
2017.
Any.
F
Will
substitute
bill
number
44
76
an
ordinance
authorizing
to
agreements
between
st.
Charles
County
and
the
city
of
st.
Peters
relating
to
st.
Charles
County
urban
county
Community,
Development
Block
Grant
CDBG
program
included,
1a
2017,
professional
administrative
service
agreement
and
2a
2017
agreement
for
administering
urban
county
programs
through
May
31st
2017
I
was.
F
F
Number
44
77
request
by
Michael
Herbert
sponsored
by
Mike
Elam,
an
ordinance
authorizing
for
agreements
between
st.
Charles
County
and
the
city
of
st.
Charles
relating
to
st.
Charles
County's
urban
County,
Community
Development,
Block
Grant
CDBG
program,
including
one
a
cooperation
agreement
for
the
city
of
st.
Charles
to
join
the
urban
county,
to
a
2017
professional
administrative
services,
agreement,
3a,
2018
professional
administrative
services
agreement
and
for
a
2017
agreement
for
administering
urban
county
programs.
Any.
F
Number
44
78
requests
by
Amanda
Brower,
sponsored
by
councils
a
whole,
an
ordinance
approving
execution
of
supplemental
cost,
share
agreement,
number
1
to
an
intergovernmental
agreement
with
Missouri
highways
and
transportation,
Commission
and
the
city
of
one's
goal
for
improvements
on
us
61
between
route,
a
and
piney
roads.
Any.
K
Like
to
think
Jon
Gries
you
for
a
lot
of
work
on
this
project,
this
is
a.
We
had
a
little
cost
under
overrun
on
the
new
overpass,
but
John's
really
done
a
fine
job
on
this,
and-
and
this
just
goes
all
along
Jon-
you
were
right
all
along
okay
and
you
know
what
I
mean
so
anyway,
it's
a
project,
that's
moving
on
now
and
this
this
bill
will
allow
to
continue
a
lot
of
people
get
killed
that
intersection.
It's
going
to
be
a
real,
successful
story.
We
get
this
done.
Thank
you,
John.
Mr.
hammer
also.
G
I
I
was
really
disappointed
a
couple
years
ago,
and
this
thing
didn't
start
because,
because
that
is
so
such
a
dangerous
area
down
there
and
with
continued
growth
in
not
just
in
this
county
but
up
north.
It's
only
going
to
get
worse
and
I'm
just
so
happy
that
this
is
finally
going
to
get
built
and
thanks
for
everybody
that
push
to
get
it
done.