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From YouTube: November 16, 2016 - St Charles County, Missouri Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
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November 16, 2016 - St Charles County, Missouri Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
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The
individual
items
and
bills
for
this
evening's
applications
are
scheduled
to
be
introduced
at
the
monday
december
5th
2016
county
council
meeting.
The
following
documents
are
introduced
as
a
matter
of
record
for
this
evening's
public
hearing
and
regular
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission,
the
unified
development
ordinance
of
saint
charles
county,
including
zoning
maps.
The
year
2025
master
plan
for
saint
charles
county,
which
includes
the
year
2025
future
land
use
plan
map.
Can
I
get
a
motion
open
the
meeting?
Please.
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Usually
kind
of
the
commission
asked
questions
during
that
time
too.
At
that
point
we
asked
the
applicant
to
come
up
and
present
the
application
to
us.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
of
them
at
that
time.
Also,
once
they've
submitted
and
presented,
and
we're
done
questioning
them,
we
then
open
it
up
to
the
public.
Anybody
in
the
room
that
wants
to
speak
on
one
of
these
matters
has
an
opportunity
to
do
so.
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I
do
request
that
you
fill
out
a
speaker's
card
if
you're
going
to
speak,
and
please
keep
your
comments
about
three
minutes,
so
you
need
to
be
prepared
to
kind
of
go
through
what
what
it
is
you're
for
or
against,
and
we
let
people
for
against
two.
A
At
that
point,
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
we'll
bring
the
applicant
back
up.
They
have
an
opportunity
to
try
to
answer
any
of
the
concerns
or
any
of
the
questions
that
might
have
come
up
during
that
time.
Then
we
closed
the
meeting
completely
the
council.
This
commission
has
discussed
it
and
takes
a
vote
on
that
item.
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Regardless
of
the
vote
that
happens,
this
these
items
will
go
before
the
county
council
and
that's
on
december
5th.
So
you
also
have
an
opportunity
to
go
out
to
the
county
council
meeting
and
present
your
case
there.
They
have
to
present
and
it
gets
voted
on
twice
at
the
county
council
meeting.
That's
the
first
one's
on
december
5th.
So
just
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind.
Okay,
let's
go
ahead
and
get
started.
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First.
Application
for
tonight's
meeting
is
rz16-14.
The
applicant
is
rocky
morgan,
the
property
owner
is
big
hill
llc.
The
current
zoning
is
a
agricultural
district
and
the
requested
zoning
is
rr
single
family,
residential
district,
3
acre
minimum
lot
size.
The
area
is
21.13
acres.
The
location
is
on
the
west
side
of
highway
y,
approximately
1
675
feet
south
of
mack
lane
in
innocent
council
district.
One
staff.
C
C
The
surrounding
land
uses
include
to
the
north
and
and
east
single-family
residences,
on
like
three
to
five
acre
lots
to
the
south
and
west
are
agricultural
properties.
C
The
staff
has
reviewed
the
application
for
the
rezoning
from
a
agricultural
to
our
our
single
family,
residential
with
the
three
equivalent
lot
size,
and
we
find
the
proposed
zoning
is
appropriate
for
the
area.
There
are
multiple
properties
in
the
area
that
are
three
to
six
acres
in
size,
and
this
would
be
in
keeping
with
those
on
the
2025
land
use
plan.
It
does
call
for
agricultural.
However,
the
area
is
located
in
a
tree
in
a
transition
area
and
it's
less
than
a
half
mile
from
st
paul.
C
C
We
did
receive
letters,
an
opposition
letter
from
roseanne
feisey,
written
protests
from
anthony
and
kerry
ockley
david
kenobi,
elizabeth
dyer,
jim
and
corey
osterloth
matthew
and
jill
fisher,
robert,
I'm
sorry,
robin
and
matthew
horstmeyer,
gary
and
sherry
dyer
and
then
before
you
tonight.
You
have
a
lot
diagram
of
how
they
they're
thinking
they'll,
make
the
lots
come
out
and
then
the
survey
of
the
property,
any
questions
of
staff.
D
C
Okay,
like
like
501
and
507,
highway
y
601
and
602
they're
on,
I
think,
evergreen
terrace
1720
is
probably
a
smaller
lot.
C
F
Do
you
think
those
were
existing
prior
to
the
2025
land
use
plan?
Oh.
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G
Two
of
the
families
are
two
of
my
sons,
two
of
my
nephews
and
a
very
good
friend
they're,
all
young
professional
people
raising
children,
and
we
thought
it
would
be
a
great
site
nothing's
less
than
three
and
a
half
acres.
It
goes
up
to
4.2
or
4.3.
Acres,
I
think,
is
what
it
is
with
the
homes
around
it
the
lots
around
it.
We
thought
it
would
be
a
good
fit.
G
I
am
the
I
recently
retired
as
a
director
of
the
building
department
here
at
the
county,
someone
I
oversaw
a
lot
of
those
homes
being
built
on
that
area
and
I
did
the
approval
of
the
houses.
So
I
mean
I
know
the
area.
It's
a
beautiful
area,
it's
a
great
place
to
raise
kids
and
build
homes,
it's
nice
and
quiet.
That's
why
we
did
it
and
that's
what
we're
looking
to
do:
we're
not
trying
to
make
enemies
of
anyone
and
that
there's
a
tree
line
around
most
of
property.
G
That
kind
of
secludes
you
from
those
homes
there-
and
I
I
think
now
that
development
is
starting
back
up,
I
think
we're
going
to
find
more
potential
lot
sizes
wanting
to
come
in.
This
is
zone
agricultural,
but
it's
sitting
amongst
those
homes.
You
can
see
that
so
we
thought
it'd
be
a
good
idea
and
a
nice
drive
coming
in.
G
Right
now,
the
runoff
is
on
somebody
else's
farm.
Well,
it
it
does.
It
comes
down
it's
a
sheet
drain.
There's
nothing.
As
I've
told
people
in
the
past,
the
water
is
going
where
it's
going.
Okay,
all
we
can
do
is
is
put
grass
and
put
vegetation
to
slow
down
the
runoff
and
don't
damage
someone
else's
property.
G
H
G
G
G
That's
what
we've
talked
about
well,
yeah,
we
got
you're
gonna
have
some
roof
the
houses
talking
to
all
the
boys
they're
wanting
to
build
they're,
looking
at
a
ranch,
some
story
and
a
half
the
ranch,
we're
looking
at,
maybe
17
800
square
feet.
We're
not
looking
we're
not
looking
at
building
great
big
houses
on
this
thing.
Nobody's
no
one's
wanting
to
do
that.
You
know
have.
G
G
That's
there
now,
there's
a
berm
on
the
east
side,
protecting
those
houses
below
it
and
the
waters
come
around.
That
berm
comes
down
to
the
drive
and
we
intend
on
leaving
that
berm
there,
because
there's
trees
in
that
berm
also,
so
I
mean
that
would
be
foolish
to
remove
that.
G
I
mean
I'm,
I'm
a
licensed
wastewater
person
in
missouri
personally
and
septic
tanks
depending
upon
the
soils
will
determine
what
type
of
tank
we
have
to
have
alternative
system
versus
a
general
gravity
fed
system,
but
I
mean
we'll:
do
the
soil
samples
get
the
testing
and
if
it's,
if
it's
bad
cells,
have
to
get
an
engineer,
and
that's
we've
always
required
that's
what
I
always
require
if
we're
doing
three
bedroom
homes
normally
you're
looking
at
500
600
feet
of
field,
which
is
a
standard
system
today,
there's
nobody
looking
to
build
a
four
or
five
bedroom
home
there's.
G
None
of
them
are
looking
to
do
that.
They
are
all
young
professionals
with
degree
jobs,
they're
all
professional
people,
but
nobody's
wanting
to
build
a
great
big
house
because
of
their
people,
taxes
on
it,
so
they're
all
going
really.
Well,
we
have
talked
to
the
gas
company
about
possibly
bringing
gas
up
there.
G
G
So
I
mean
that's
an
all
an
option
we're
going
to
look
at
and
if
the
cost
is
what
they're
saying
we'll
probably
do
that
which
is
going
to
allow
gas
for
the
other
people
along
highway
y
because
we're
going
to
pay
for
it
to
come
down.
Why
so
I
mean
it's:
it's
one
of
those
things
you're
going
to
weigh
out,
go
all
electric
bottle
gas
or
natural
gas,
and
right
now
everybody
we're
talking
to
the
guys
that
are
wanting
to
build
right
away,
are
leaning
toward
putting
natural
gas
in.
B
Yeah
yeah
rocky
in
case
this
does
not
pass
tonight.
What
would
your
plans
be
with
your
21.13
acres?
Sell
it
so.
G
G
I
mean
we
did
not
steal
the
land,
but
we
didn't
know
we're
paid,
for,
I
don't
think
not
for
housing,
but
no,
if,
if
it
gets
turned
down
and
we
can't
build
houses,
we'll
have
to
put
a
for
sale
sign
on
it.
Thank
you.
G
There
was
five
of
us
involved
in
it
to
to
build
homes,
and
the
five
were
all
excited
about
it.
I
mean
I've
seen
a
lot
of
homes
go
up
in
three
acres.
These
are
all
over
three
acre
lots.
There's
there's
five
of
the
11
lots
around
there
that
are
less
than
five
acres
now,
so
I
thought
it
fit
in
real
nice.
I
really
didn't
anticipate
any
any
problems
with
the
size
of
the
lots
with
the
five
of
them.
There.
A
Any
other
questions
seeing
none
we're
gonna,
go
ahead
and
close
this
portion
of
it.
So
thank
you
and
okay.
A
You
back
up
in
a
little
bit
thanks
we're
gonna,
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
public,
and
anybody
in
the
room
that
wants
to
speak
on
this
manner
for
against,
can
do
so
now.
Try
to
keep
your
comments
to
three
minutes
and
try
not
to
repeat
the
same
things
over
and
over,
because
we
want
to
bring
the
applicant
up
and
be
able
to
answer
any
questions.
So
if
you've
got
new
stuff
to
talk
about,
it's
fine
come
up
and
talk.
A
I
Tony
oakley
1610
highway
y
go
ahead
tony,
so
my
house
is
16
10,
it's
hard
to
see
on
that
picture
there,
but
the
bottom
yeah.
We
got
here
the
left
there
yeah,
so
we
just
built
recently
and
we
we
actually
just
moved
in
two
months
ago.
We
abided
by
the
five
acre
minimum
and
then
when
they
bought
the
property,
he
said
they
knew
they
were
going
to
do
five
houses
which
he
knew
the
zoning.
I
J
B
Hold
on
yeah
where's
your
lot
located.
What
what's
the
number.
I
1610.
she'll.
A
A
I
E
K
Thank
you.
I
guess
my
concerns
would
be
when
they're
actually
planning
on
moving
forward
and
when,
when
it
actually
would
get
rezoned
because
right
now,
it's
just
a
plan.
We
just
moved
in
in
june,
and
that
was
a
big
reason
why
we
moved
out.
There
is
for
the
five
acre
minimums
we
wanted
to
get
out
in
the
country
right,
so
we
knew
that
20
plus
acres
over
there
could
always
be
four
houses.
But
I
get
the
letter
in
the
mail.
That's
asking
for
three
acre
men's
on
21.13
acres
and
I'm
picturing.
K
Seven
three
acre
lots
so
multiple
people
involved.
I
talked
with
a
couple
of
guys
about
this.
You
know
things
can
happen.
You
know
what
if
it
gets
rezoned
and
the
plan
changes,
I
knew
there
could
be
four
houses
over
there,
but
technically,
if
it
gets
rezoned,
then
it
gets
put
up
for
sale.
Somebody
could
buy
it
and
put
up
seven
three
acre
lots.
Am
I
right
or
wrong.
K
It
would,
but
it
would
already
be
rezoned.
It
wouldn't
be
like
plan
a
didn't
go
through,
so
it
reverts
back
to
being
zoned
as
it
is.
That's
correct.
I
mean
when
these
guys
bought
this
honest
to
god
I
was.
I
was
ecstatic
that
it
was
someone
that
I
knew
yeah
and
I
hope
I
hope
it
goes
through
and
I
want
to
see
them
over
there.
I
really
do
I
just
that.
That's
one
of
my
biggest
concerns.
K
C
I
make
a
clarification:
yes,
okay,
when
someone
does
a
subdivision
plant,
if
it's
21
acres,
all
21
acres
do
not
end
up
in
lots
because
they
have
to
put
they
have
to
set
a
white
set
aside
land
for
right
away.
Right
away,
has
to
be
42
feet
wide
they're
going
to
have
to
have
a
cul-de-sac
in
there.
So
all
of
that
takes
away
from
those
lot
numbers.
K
C
So
they
there
is
no
way.
Someone
could
get
seven
lots
on
that
property.
Five
is
probably
the
maximum
that
can
be
done
with
the
subdivision.
C
Stormwater,
the
county
ordinances
do
not
require
well,
there's
the
differential
runoff
between
a
farm
field
and
a
three
acre
lot
subdivision
is
not
enough
runoff
to
require
stormwater
improvements,
so
I
just
want
everyone
to
be
aware
of
that.
K
And
I
guess
real
quickly
too,
if
I'm
done,
if
I'm
not
taking
too
much
time,
I
guess
another
concern
would
be.
I
know
we're
saying
that
this
property
of
butts
up
to
other
three
acre
lots.
So
it's
just
just
starting
a
domino
effect
out
there
like
okay,
here's
some
more
three
acre
lots:
the
next
guy,
here's
some
more
three
acre
lots.
When
does
that
turn
into
asking
for
one
acre
lots,
I
mean
again
that's
a
big
reason
why
we
why
we
moved
out
there.
K
L
The
could
never
be
smaller
than
three
acre
lots:
okay,.
L
Of
the
septic
group,
st
charles
county,
has
some
of
the
most
restrictive
septic
tank
requirements
or
private
sewage
disposal
requirements
in
the
in
the
country.
I
mean
there's
parts
of
this
state
where
you
can
go
in,
and
a
majority
of
the
state
with
one
acre
you
can
put
in
a
septic
system.
Well,
this
county
is
three
acres:
okay,.
K
A
M
M
My
husband
and
I
are
both
agriculture
professionals
and
we,
our
dream,
was
to
live
in
st
paul
in
that
area,
we're
not
from
this
area,
but
we
we
bought
the
property
after
saving
a
lot
of
money
and
building
our
dream
house
that
we're
going
to
live
in
forever
and
our
sons.
This
is
my
son
brody
and
my
son
bryant's
here.
M
We
feel
strongly
that
we
move
there
because
we
want
to
give
our
children
agriculture.
We
both
grew
up
on
farms,
not
eight
acres,
but
in
st
charles
county.
That's
a
lot
and
so
we're
real,
proud
of
our
property,
we're
proud
of
our
neighbors
in
our
neighborhood,
and
we
want
to
protect
that
area
from
becoming
three
acre
lots.
We
want
the
five
acre
standard
area,
that's
in
st
charles
county.
M
We
know
from
building
the
sewer.
Runoff
are.
If
you
haven't
been
out
there
in
our
area,
it's
beautiful,
very
rolling
hills
and
runoff
is
a
major
issue
that
we're
really
concerned
about.
So
we
would
like
to
protect
our
property,
our
neighborhood
and
our
future
of
our
sons
and
matt,
and
I
plan
to
live
the
rest
of
our
lives.
So
this
is
very
important
to
us.
M
F
A
N
Jim
osterholt,
I'm
at
2660
freemath
road,
so
I'm
just
west
of
the
property,
and
I
I
just
want
to
say
you
know.
I
know
a
couple
of
guys
too,
that
are
going
to
be
there
and
a
lot
of
the
same
reasons
why
they
want
to
build
out.
There
is
the
reason
why
we're
there.
We
want
to
keep
it
five
acres
on
a
minimum
and
I
think
we're
a
little
worried
about
the
precedent
that
could
set
for
the
next
person.
N
A
O
A
P
Kevin
kurtz
at
602,
evergreen
terrace,
so
my
property
is
just
to
the
direct
north
of
the
proposed
property
and
the
the
only
concern
that
that
I
have
is
that
is
water.
Runoff,
and
I
know
the
gentleman
addressed
it
earlier.
But
if
you
go
out
there
during
a
torrential
downpour
literally
the
backyard,
my
neighbors
in
my
backyard
is
almost
a
big
lake.
My
driveway's
washed
out
twice
this
year
and
it's
probably
washed
out
a
half
a
dozen
times
since
we
moved
there
in
0.09.
P
P
P
P
Of
the
hill,
no
I'm
at
top
of
the
hill,
but
oh
well,
my
property
goes
to.
I
have
a
20
foot
rise
from
our
property
line
to
the
front
up
to
the
driveway
up
to
the
garage,
so
it's
we're
20
feet
higher
at
the
at
the
top
toward
the
back
of
the
lot.
As
we
are
at
the
front
where
the
water
you
know,
I
I
drive
over
a
culvert
about
50
feet
into
our
property
line
so
that
water
drains
from
all
of
those
houses
on
the
west.
B
P
Yeah,
no,
I
it
like,
I
said,
I'm
not,
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
them.
Subdividing
it
and
I
don't
want
to
say
that
I
have
an
issue
with
it
being
less
than
five
acres,
but
my
my
concern
is
altering
the
topography
of
the
of
the
land
into
and
to
ensure
that
that
would
happen
to
create
more
water
runoff
for
us.
A
G
G
We
can
only
sheet
drain
and
try
to
control
the
amount
of
runoff
by
having
grass
versus
soil
with
all
the
sedimentation
running
through
the
yards
as
they're
getting
now,
as
the
gentleman
spoke
he's
getting
run
off
from
three
or
four
lots
above
it.
You
know.
I
can't
think
about
that
one
right
now,
I
must
say
it
looks
like
better
than
half
of
the
drainage
is
coming
down
alongside
of
our
driveway
coming
in
so
are
we
planning
on
changing
the
contours
and
out
of
the
ground?
No,
no.
G
We
can't
when
you
put
a
septic
field
in
you,
can't
disturb
the
soil.
So
I
mean
you
have
to
work
with
the
elevations.
You
have
you
can't
disturb
the
dirt
move
dirt
around
and
put
a
septic
field
in.
You
can't
do
it,
so
you
got
to
leave
things
alone
so
that
right
there
tells
you.
You
can't
disturb
your
lot
in
in
many
areas.
G
You
gotta
have
a
field
you're
using
plus
a
backup
area
for
a
field
when
this
one
goes
bad,
so
you
can't
just
go
in
there
and
start
taking
a
bulldozer
and
working
three
and
a
half
acre
lot
and
pushing
dirt
everywhere
and
that's
the
first
thing
I
will
tell
developers
when
they
come
in,
don't
start
moving
dirt
and
trees
out,
because
we
gotta
have
places
for
the
septic
fields.
You
know,
leave
it
all
natural
fit
the
house
in
there
somehow
the
best
you
can
but
don't
start
scraping
dirt
and
grass,
and
that's
no
different
here.
G
We
can't
go
out
there
and
start
scraping
dirt
and
grass
we're
going
to
have
to
work
with
what
we
have
there's.
No,
you
know
whether,
if
I
put
one
house
on
there
we're
going
to
have
the
water
run
off
anyway.
I
can't
I
can't
contain
the
water
if
I'd
contained
it
into
a
pond.
I
don't
know
where
I'd
develop.
Where
would
I
dump
it?
You
know
it'd
have
to
go
into
somebody's
yard
or
property.
G
So
I
mean
a
pond
is
not
an
answer
sheet
draining?
Is
the
answer
because
now
you're
not
destroying
someone's
property
by
containing
the
water
and
funneling
it
and
channeling
it
so?
And-
and
I
you
know-
I-
I
watched
the
two
new
houses
go
up.
In
fact,
I
used
the
permits
farm,
the
dyer
family,
great
family.
I
grew
up
in
o'fallon
st
paul,
been
here
all
my
life.
I've
known
the
names,
nice
houses.
G
I
have
nothing
against
what
they're
saying
they
have
the
right
to
not
be
happy
with
whatever's
going
on
around.
Everybody
would
like
to
have
nothing
done,
and
but
to
do
that,
you
got
to
buy
it.
I
mean
I
live
in,
cave
springs,
kanex
orchards
was
behind
me
when
I
built
my
house
well
in
case
man.
I
should
have
bought
that
land
because
now
it's
houses
and
it
was
beautiful
orchards
when
I
built
back
in
83,
but
you
know
it
is
what
it
is,
and
I
and
I
deal
with
that
too
so.
G
We've
got
plans
well,
there's
two
guys
right
now
that
have
talked
to
an
architect
about
your
plans.
They're
not
finished.
We
weren't
going
to
go
too
far
until
we
got
this
all
approved
sure,
but
there's
two
of
them
that
are
serious
about
getting
started
as
soon
as
we
can.
The
third
one
says
he
wants
to
get
started
next
year
and
then
now
I
find
out
a
fourth
one
says:
hey:
they
want
to
get
started,
possibly
late
next
year
in
2018.,
so
the
you
know,
there's.
G
Yeah
they
got,
they
got
ideas
these
these
guys
want
to
get
their
houses
built
and
they're
all
good
friends,
and,
like
one
gentleman
said,
you
know
they,
they
know
each
other.
You
know
so
there's
no
animosity
here,
it's
okay!
I
I
you
know.
If
I
had,
if
I
had
the
ground
they
had,
I
could
give
each
of
my
kids
five
acres
for
a
house.
I'd,
do
it
that'd,
be
great?
I
don't
have
it
so
we're
gonna
we're
trying
to
the
best
we
can.
G
A
Yeah,
I
think,
we've
pretty
much
done
what
we
can
on
this.
So
you
can
have
a
seat.
Okay
got
stuff
here.
Do
you
guys
have
any
questions
for
staff?
You
want
to
discuss
a
little
bit
any
concerns.
What's
your
thoughts.
D
I
got
some,
I
absolutely
I'll
go
ahead,
you
first,
I
I've
been
on
this
commission
longer
than
anybody
else,
and
I
sit
here
for
years,
and
you
said
it
happened
in
oh
six.
D
I
was
on
many
years
before
that
and
we
told
so
many
people
gotta
have
five
acres.
It
was
just
in
there.
They
brought
up
that
rr
and
it
was
a
general
feeling
in
the
commission
that
we,
we
should
be
very
judicious
and
passing
that
out
and
we
did
very
little.
There
was
some
that
I
remember.
I
got
seven
or
eight
acres
and
two
kids
and
I
want
to
split
it
in
two,
so
I
can
both
have
a
house
in
front
of
my
house
kind
of
special
events.
D
It
wasn't
just
automatic
and
we
were
very
concerned
for
a
period
of
years
like
this
is
just
going
to
be
automatic,
especially
when
you've
got
farm
ground
you're.
Looking
at
saint
charles
county,
we
had
the
big
farms.
Are
they
going
to
be
just
clapped
up
and
put
in
three
acre
things?
So
we
have
to
be
very
careful
in
giving
out
these
three
acre
things.
I
like
that
the
county
would
look
better,
especially
these
neighborhoods
out
there.
If
you
all
had
big
five
acre
lots.
D
That's
my
thought.
In
my
own
personal
situation,
I
bought
three
acres
I
came
in
for
a
permit
couldn't
get
one.
I
had
to
go
back,
borrow
some
more
money
and
go
to
the
farmer
and
say
for
me
to
build
a
house.
I
got
to
have
more
acreage
and
he
said
well,
you
can
have
the
rest
of
that
field
and
he
sold
that
to
me.
D
So
it
happened
directly
to
me
now.
I
think
what
if
somebody
came
just
next
and
said
after
I
went
through
that
trouble
and
built
my
place
and
it's
down
here
in
the
woods
or
we
want
to
give
them
three
acres
and
they
can
put
a
house
down
there.
It
shouldn't
be
automatic,
shouldn't,
be
automatic
at
all.
F
Okay,
okay,
I
I
grappled
with
this
too,
because
three
acres
is
not
real
high
density,
so
I
as
I
as
I
went
through
this,
I
I
thought.
Okay,
the
long-term
calls
for
the
agricultural
zoning,
so
I
went
back
and
I
looked
at
the
zoning
and
statement
of
the
intent
and
the
statement
of
intent
on
agricultural.
F
I'm
gonna
just
paraphrase
it,
but
basically
the
intent
is
to
keep
it
as
a
agricultural
type
of
use
are
related
uses
to
discourage
premature
and
dissociated
urban
development.
Now
the
statement
of
intent
on
residential
is
to
provide
the
intent
is
for
districts
to
buy
detached
single-family
residential
developments,
and
I
do
think
that,
for
instance,
in
areas
where
you
have
a
farm
broken
up,
that's
in
a
highly
densely
populated
area
like
the
koenig
highest
and
best
use
and
market
demand
determined
the
the
use
change
here.
F
This
is
a
a
more
or
less
an
agricultural
area,
and
I
don't
see
the
the
forces
of
supply
and
demand
nor
the
particular
reason
to
change
highest
and
best
use.
So
that's
where.
L
Well
I,
when
they
came
up
with
the
five
acres,
I
I
never
really
understood
where
they
were
going,
especially
when
you're
looking
at
an
area
like
this,
I
think
you're
cutting
off
your
nose,
despite
your
face
not
to
get
a
development
like
this
at
this
time,
because
I
guarantee
you
10
15,
20
years
down
the
road.
This
growth
is
going
to
move
that
direction,
it's
common!
So
the
more
that
you
get
properties
developed
and
three
I
mean
the
smallest
lot.
They
got
here's
three
and
a
half
acres.
L
So
for
you
to
think
that
development's
not
coming
this
way,
you
got
your
head
stuck
in
the
sand
because
it's
going
to
come
someday
and
it's
going
to
come
sooner
than
you
think
so
I
would
rather
have
if
it
was
me
I'd
rather
have
a
development
like
this
that
I
know
I'm
going
to
have
that
open
area
closer
to
my
house.
Instead
of
a
subdivision
with
5
000
square
foot,
lots
of
10,
000
square
foot,
lots.
B
O
O
D
D
They
got
a
lot
of
floodplains,
so
not
all
of
it's
gonna
develop
down
there,
but
when
we
put
this
together,
whether
we
put
a
k-mart
on
a
corner
or
a
gas
station
here
that
statements
all
night,
we
have
to
say
what
does
that
do
to
the
neighborhood
and
how
does
this
fit
into
the
neighborhood?
And
that's
my
concern.
Okay,.
L
L
A
A
Okay,
so
you
take
it
to
the
county
council
and
tell
them
all
that
don't
forget
to
comment,
though,
please
go
out
there
and
do
it.
You
only
get
three
people
for
that
too.
Just
so
you
know
all
right.
Thank
you.
So
our
next
would
bring
that
change
it
on
the
screen.
Please.
Thank
you.
The
next
one
is
rezoning.
Rz
16-1-5,
the
applicant
owner
is
robert
r
ragazzi,
junior
and
catherine
r
ragazzi
current
zoning
is
rr.
Our
single-family
residential
district
three-acre
minimum
lot
size
and
it's
requested
zoning
of
a
agricultural
district.
A
C
A
A
J
I
mean
if
he
was
anybody
out
there
like
how
you
drove
down
to
the
other
guy's
place
yeah,
I
think
you're.
Okay,
I'm
just
saying
all
right,
yeah
cause.
I
mean
we're,
not
we're
not
wanting
to
do
any
type
of
commercial,
okay,
swine.
What
it
is
is
once
we
thought
once
we
found
out,
we
were
residential
because
everybody
else
that
surrounds
us
is
agricultural
everywhere
around
us.
J
We're
we're
big
into
4-h
and
we
found
out
dude
being
residential.
You
can
only
have
four
animals.
Okay
and
I
work
for
the
city
of
saint
peter's
and
my
boss
said
you
better
do
something,
because
we
don't
want
to
see
you
on
the
news
being
an
animal
hoarder
having
a
couple
of
turkeys
and
a
couple
chickens
for
four
eights
cause,
surely
you're
going
to
make
it
on
there?
Thank
you
and
I
want
to.
J
A
B
A
A
Our
next
application
is
rezoning
and
the
cupcur
16-05
the
applicant
current
purchaser
is
nick
hall
kennels,
the
property
owner
is
susan,
j
shepherman
and
the
current
zoning
is
prff
park.
Recreational
district
with
a
floodway
fringe
overlay
district
requested
zoning,
a
ff
agricultural
district
with
a
floodway
fringe
over
what
laid
district
the
requested
use
is
a
kennel.
The
area
is
10
acres
and
it's
on
the
west
side
of
highway,
94
south
approximately
700
feet
south
of
highway
f,
and
it's
in
council
district,
2.
staff.
C
Okay,
the
subject
property
was
zoned
park.
Well,
actually,
recreational
back
in.
Actually
it
was
probably
in
the
early
60s
that
it
was
rezoned
that.
C
I
can't
remember
the
history
on
it.
I
didn't
live
here
at
the
time,
but
anyway
they
they
didn't
develop
it
with
whatever
recreational
use.
The
recreation
district
did
allow
single-family
residences
until
1999
in
1999,
when
we
changed
the
unified
development
ordinance,
the
pr
district,
no
longer
permitted
residences.
C
So
that's
why
there's
currently
a
residence
on
the
property
and
and
it
doesn't
meet
the
zoning
district.
The
current
request
is
to
put
a
kennel
on
the
property
amendment.
Kennel
is
a
conditional
use
in
both
the
residential
districts
and
the
ag
district
being
that
the
surrounding
area
is
mostly
agricultural.
C
We
decided
that
they're
best
off
going
into
the
a
agricultural
district
with
the
cup
for
the
kennel,
so
staff
is
recommending
in
favor
of
of
that
request.
The
future
land
use
plan
shows
the
property
in
the
agri-tourism
area,
the
there's
the
size,
the
property
doesn't
meet
agritourism
zoning
district,
which
is
a
40
acre
minimum.
C
So
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
agricultural
zoning
district
relative
to
the
kennel.
You
do
have
a
site
plan
showing
the
development
of
the
property
we
we
tabled
this
last
month,
because
staffers
were
concerned
about
the
size
of
the
property
and
if
the
the
kennel
operation
could
meet
the
setbacks
and
so
they've
submitted
the
plan
showing
that
it
does
meet
the
setbacks,
so
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
kennel
I
mean.
Obviously
this
is
on
a
busy
area
of
highway
94,
so
we're
recommending
approval
subject
to
the
following
conditions.
C
A
site
plan
must
be
approved
by
the
community
development
department,
in
conformance
with
unified
development,
ordinance,
section
405.525,
a
certificate
of
occupancy
from
the
building
and
code
enforcement
division
must
be
obtained
for
the
business.
A
kennel
operator's
license
is
required
by
the
saint
charles
county
community
health
and
environment
department,
for
compliance
with
regulations
number
four.
Unless
an
animal
is
actively
being
worked
with,
all
animals
she'll
be
kept
inside
a
fully
enclosed
building
between
the
hours
of
6
pm
and
7
am
and
number
five
further.
C
C
So
we'll
add
those
I'm
sure
I
can't
remember
those
from
verbatim,
but
I
read
them
every
month
when
we
have
an
initial
use,
permit
the
the
condition
where,
if
it's
not,
that
the
use
can't
be
on
the
property
until
the
conditional
use
permit
is
approved
and
the
plans
are
proved
and
also
that,
if,
if
the
use
does
not
start
on
the
property
within
two
years,
then
the
condition
use
print
goes
away.
So
I
would
ask
that
you
add
those
two
conditions
to
the
staff,
any
questions
of
staff.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
letters.
C
I
think
we
had
one
and
we
have
a
letter
in
support
from
lawrence
crane,
an
opposition
letter
from
harold
and
sheryl
horstmeyer,
a
written
protest
by
marty
meyer,
written
protest
by
cheryl
ashby
basler,
a
letter
from
the
representative
about
the
existing
proposed
plans.
And
then
we
had
an
anonymous
letter
in
opposition
to
the
kennel.
A
Q
Nick
lives
on
the
property
there's
a
residence
in
the
back
portion
of
the
10
acres,
the
portion
that
abuts
along
highway
94.
There
are
some
existing
buildings
that
nick
started
to
use
for
housing.
Some
of
his
animals
nick
stumbled
into
for
a
hobby
working
with
dogs
and
training
them
that
hobby
has
kind
of
grown
for
him
and
therefore
he's
gotten
to
the
point
where
he'd
like
to
make
it
a
a
going
business
farm.
Q
He
was
able
to
speak
with
the
property
owner
and
has
fortunately
been
able
to
work
out
of
a
purchase
arrangement
for
this
property
and
he'd
like
to
remove
the
existing
older
structures
that
are
along
the
highway
and
build
a
better
facility
for
the
animals.
The
facility
he's
planning
on
building
is
a
metal
structure.
It
will
be
insulated
so
that
any
noise
from
the
animals
from
being
the
interior
of
the
building
will
not
be
able
to
come
outside
of
the
building.
Q
Q
His
specialty
is
working
with
animals
and
doing
training
of
them.
He
trains,
water,
tell
them
type
of
animals.
You
train
a
lot
of.
R
Waterfowl
retrievers
main
thing
is
a
lot
of
police
dogs,
narcotics
dogs,
ptsd
dogs,
different
types
of
service
veterans,
dogs,
some
of
the
guys
have
literally
no
legs
and
one
arm,
and
this
dog
does
almost
everything
for
them.
So
a
lot
of
things
like
that,
so
these
dogs
are
in
training
for
such
a
long
time.
It's
not
like
they're
coming
for
two
nights,
they're
uncomfortable
barking.
For
three
days
these
dogs
are
here,
they're
gonna,
be
with
me
for
three
six
months
a
year.
R
Q
Q
A
R
Much
not
a
lot
so,
but
not
not
daily.
No-
and
I
know,
there's
been
some
things
about
gunshots
and
stuff
like
that,
and
it's
not
a
day
to
day
when
we
would
train
with
firearms.
If
you
get
a
dog
comes
in
and
they
say
this
dog's
gun
shy.
Of
course
I
gotta
shoot
planks,
or
I
mean
you
gotta
get
used
to
it
right,
but
it's
not
an
everyday
thing
by
any
means.