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May 26, 2015 - St Charles County, Missouri Council Work Session
A
A
A
Is
this
proper
procedure,
and
so
what
I
did
is,
I
told
called
the
county
administrator
told
her
the
four
cases
that
I
was
most
concerned
with.
Just
to
start,
I
don't
want
to
have
we're
going
to
what
what
the
way
we're
going
to
do.
The
meeting
tonight
is
the
four
people
that
I
talked
to
the
four
families
that
I
have
very
deep
concerns
are
I'm
going
to
let
them
address
the
council.
A
I
was
hoping
that
everybody
would
be
respectful
each
other
and
not
tell
any
mistress
and
just
be
straightforward
me
and
the
administration
had
conversations
about
some
of
the
things
that
was
going
on
and
and
we
were
not
able
to
agree
on
where
this
was
where
we
were
going.
So
I
thought
it
would
be
best
to
air
our
concerns
and
have
conversation
to
see
if
this
is
the
direction
that
this
county
council
thought
that
that's
where
we
were
going
to
go
and
that's
that's
that's
how
the
meeting
will
be
run.
A
B
C
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
county
executive
county
staff
and
some
targeting
the
council
here
for
the.
Let
me
come
before
you
two
pieces
of
property
I
like
to
talk
about.
First,
is
2676
out
point
prairie
road.
This
would
be.
This
is
not
this
piece
of
property
here.
This
is
a
property.
That's
currently
in
the
state
of
edmond
lindenbringer
and
his
wife
darlene
edmond
passed
away
in
205.
D
C
2676.,
since
edmond
passed
away
in
2005,
the
house
has
been
sometimes
family
members
have
lived.
There
is
currently
being
rented,
it's
like
the
gift,
it
keeps
giving
seems
like
the
family
fixes
up.
One
part.
We
come
back
in
a
short
few
months
and
then
there's
something
else
from
moving
vehicles
to
to
barnes.
It's
currently
an
agricultural
piece
of
property,
except
for
the
house.
C
It
is,
it
is
currently
zoned
agriculture.
The
next
piece
of
property
is
2804
south
point
prairie,
which
is
just
around
two
corners.
This
property
is
currently
owned,
and
that
was
a
piece
of
property.
That's
up
there.
I
would
say
the
pictures
look
worse
than
the
property.
Probably,
but
I
guess
my
question
is
there.
C
I
went
to
the
hearing.
I
received
a
notice.
The
letter
was
written
and
I'm
thinking
that
tuesday,
before
new
year's,
I
got
it
on
friday,
after
new
year's,
which
new
year's
being
on
a
thursday
said,
I
had
two
days
to
fix
it
up
on
some
whatever
I
had
to
do
there
and
that
it
was
condemned
monday
morning
was
a
hearing,
or
else
I
was
going
to
face.
It
did
have
fixed
up
a
thousand
dollars
a
day.
Fine,
I
came
down
to
the
meeting.
C
One
day
asked
some
questions
one
day,
I'd
find
out
the
qualification
of
the
person
who
condemned
the
piece
of
property.
Let
me
go
back
here
a
little
bit.
I
will
say
that
that
I
have
had
some
help
on
this
property.
I
do
want
to
thank
mr
hefner,
the
lady,
that's
up
in
the
executive
office
that
directed
to
me
to
mr
hefner
as
well
as
mr
morgan,
who
came
out
to
the
property.
I
do
think
we
do
have
some
resolve
in
this
piece
of
property.
C
C
If,
if
you
say
it
is
currently
that
piece
of
property
is
being
or
was
being
used
by,
the
new
found
new
maui
fire
department
as
a
training
facility,
since
the
condemnation
I've
informed
them
that
they
cannot
use
the
property,
we
do
cut
hay
on
that
piece
of
property.
The
bottom
is
formed
on
that
piece
of
property.
It
is
agriculture,
except
the
house.
In
three
acres
I
presume,
is
residential.
C
I
was
questioned
and
if
that
was
a
true
and
legitimate
statement,
that
is
a
true
and
legitimate
statement
on
that
it,
it
was
being
up
to
being
condemned.
It
was
in
the
hands
of
the
new
malley
fire
department.
It
had
had
some
vandalism
as
since
the
windows
have
since
board
been
boarded
up.
I
do
have
50
foot
that
I
removed
the
the
lock
that
you
see
on
there.
The
key
the
only
key
is
by
the
new
mallet
fire
department.
They
had
the
key.
The
front
door,
however,
was
busted
in.
A
C
A
A
C
E
A
You
got,
there
was
other
things
you
got
wrote
up
for,
weeds
are
on
the
bob
fire
fence.
You
got
rode
up
for
trash,
you
got
wrote
up
for
there's
a
whole
litany
of
things.
Right,
yes
and
that's,
that's
all
been
cleared,
and
so
I
guess
my
concern
was
when
we
started
started
talking
about
a
lot
of
this
stuff
is,
is
the
county
writing
up
agriculture
for
the
same
for
trimming?
Weeds
on
our
barbed
wire
fence
is
just
I
I
don't
get.
F
A
Yeah,
I
guess
those
would
be
kind
of
my
concerns
on
on
on
the.
What
is
it?
What
are
the
counts?
Do
we
want
if
you're
on
a
farm
and
it's
an
old
farmhouse,
are
we
going
to
go
out
and
condemn
properties
because
we're
unsafe?
I
don't
agree
with
that
at
all,
not
at
all,
and
that
was
one
now
if
the
council
agrees
with
that.
That's
a
whole
other
story,
but
I
don't
agree
with
it
at
all.
A
I
don't
think
that
the
agriculture
zone
should
be
upheld
as
the
same
standards
as
residents
from
commercial
and
the
processes,
I
think
are,
are
not
quite
accurate,
how
they,
how
they
go
about
doing
it.
How
many
days
notice
were
you
giving
and
then
how
one
were
you
supposed
to
be
on
my
first,
it
was
two
days
two
days
notice
for
the
hearing.
Yes,.
G
Go
through
the
history
on
this
one,
actually,
there's
four
total
separate
cases.
The
hearings
you're
referring
to
are
actually
those
are
abatement
hearings.
This
was
a
rubbish
abatement,
a
weed
abatement
and
a
board
up
abatement.
You
had
three
separate
cases
there.
Then
you
had
a
combination
case.
The
hearings.
There
are
a
little
bit
quicker
because
obviously
you're
dealing
with
weeds
rubbish
and
the
board
up
of
an
unsecured
structure.
The
process
there
by
ordinance
is
five
days
and
two
days.
G
A
G
G
G
Please
can
I
please
please
answer
some
of
these
questions.
Sure
what
was
brought
into
the
hearing
was.
Mr
shaper
was
asked
to
cut
a
50-foot
radius
around
the
building,
so
they
has
access
for
the
police
and
fire
to
get
to
the
structure,
and
that
was
what
was
asked
of
mr
shaper
in
the
hearing
he
was
given
additional
time
to
take
care
of
it.
He
was
also
asked
to
pick
up
the
rubbish
around
the
exterior
of
the
property
and
was
asked
to
secure
the
structure.
He
indicated
at
that
time
that
he
wanted
to.
G
He
was
trying
to
sell
the
property,
he's
been
trying
to
sell
it
for
the
last
five
years
and
we
didn't
ask
him
to
paint
the
board
up
like
we
typically
is
required
by
ordinance.
We
asked
him
to
just
secure
it.
Take
care
of
it
and
we'll
give
an
extension
to
spring
to
summer
to
hopefully
can
sell
it
or
make
a
decision
what
he
wants
to
do
with
the
structure
and
that's
where
we
left
it
at
that
point.
H
No,
it's
a
residence.
You
don't
have
that!
That's
where
we
treat
agricultural
property
differently
than
residential
on
a
residential
piece
of
property.
You
have
to
keep
the
whole
site
clean
and
clear.
According
to
code
with
agricultural,
we
know
that
you're
going
to
have
corn
planted
and
just
other
things
going
on
in
the
site
that
you
would
totally
expect
to
find
on
a
farm.
So
what
we've
done
in
applying
the
ordinance
to
agricultural
property?
Is
this
area
around
the
principal
structures
wayne?
What
is
what
is
the
principal
structure
zone?
F
A
F
B
B
Maybe
this
reply,
because
I
thought
that
was
one
of
the
better
suggestions
here,
the
way
it
is
right
now
we
can
put
the
burden
of
proof
on
them.
It's
up.
To
I
mean:
do
we
send
somebody
out
there?
That
knows
it's
structurally
unsound
or
we
just
suspect
it
is
and
then
put
the
burden
on
them
to
show
that
it
isn't
well.
G
It's
first
based
on
a
visual
officer
observation:
they
don't
do
structural
calculations
and
go
out
and
check
the
you
know
the
integrity
of
the
structure
internally
or
all
the
posts
and
everything
the
owner
has
the
opportunity
to
either
remove
the
structure
or
repair
the
structure.
If
they
want
to
repair
the
structure,
then,
depending
on
the
condition,
then
they
would
get
a
building
permit
through
the
building
department.
They
would
bring
in
a
structural
engineer
and
make
the
repairs
depending.
B
G
A
A
G
C
C
C
C
A
G
G
G
You
can't
live
it
for
a
certain
reason
either
because
it
doesn't
have
power.
It's
unsafe
because
of
unsanitary
conditions
could
be
unsafe
because
of
structural
reasons
could
be
unsafe.
It
was
used
for
a
meth
lab
chemical
reasons.
That
just
means
you
cannot
live
and
occupy.
That
structure
doesn't
mean
the
house
is
being
torn
down
now.
G
A
B
B
G
Our
demolition
proceeding,
actually
it's
not
until
you
can
appeal
it
to
a
court
right,
there's,
hearing
processes
and
notices.
We
have
to
follow,
but
then
there's
the
hearing,
that's
a
formal
hearing
which
we
have
our
attorneys
present,
and
then
we
have
a
formal
hearing
after
so
many
days
notice,
and
then
I
review
those
cases.
I
I
I
What
it
should
be
posted
is
uninhabitable
that
I
have
a
similar
case
where
a
gentleman
had
a
mobile
home
and
they
cut
off
the
water
or
he
had
a
water
leak
and
they
condemned
the
mobile
home.
Well,
it
shouldn't
have
been
condemned.
It
should
have
been
posted
uninhabitable
until
they
got
water
restored
in
it.
I
G
A
Why
is
the
county
putting
that
burden
on
people
if
they
choose
to
live
in
a
house?
That's
I
mean
if,
if
he's
the
electric
was
turned
off
that
even
for
him
and
those
other
cases
where
you
say,
get
a
structural
engineer
to
look
at
it
say
it's
unsafe.
Why
don't
you
get
the
structural
engineer
to
prove
that
it's
unsafe?
I
mean
why
would
we
put
the
burden
on
the
person,
especially
when
you're
talking
about
agricultural
property,
that,
if
anybody's
on
an
old
barn
or
an
old
house,
they're
trespassing,
I
don't
get
that,
but
but.
C
A
I
Why
we're
waiting
for
him
to
come
up?
I
think
it's
important,
though,
if,
if
somebody's
going
to
make
a
determination,
if
a
building
structure
you're
unsound,
I
think
it
should
be
a
building
inspector
that
goes
out
there
rather
than
somebody
a
neighborhood
preservation
inspector,
because
the
building
inspector
is
going
to
have
more
knowledge
of
structural
components
of
a
structure.
D
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
y'all
for
giving
me
a
chance
to
get
this
off
my
chest
because
it's
been
kind
of
driving
on
me
a
little
bit
here:
ernie
catrick's,
my
name
2018
well
right
at
30
years
ago
we
bought
this
house
and
five
acres
at
the
corner
of
orphan
dwello
and
raised
the
family.
There,
kids,
neighbor,
kids.
Everybody
else
give
you
a
little
background.
D
D
We
bought
out
between
jonesburg
and
bellflower,
so
we
moved
everything
that
we
could
out
there
because
even
to
fix
it,
we
needed
to
get
the
furniture
out,
so
we
could
repaint
and
stuff
inside
and
after
right,
after
that,
we
got
moved
out
and
he's
dragging
the
song,
for
they
ended
up
dragging
us
along
for
a
couple
of
years.
In
the
meantime,
my
parents
got
sick
down
in
florida
and
I
told
them
that
I'd
never
put
them
in
a
home
long
as
I
was
able
to
look
after
them,
so
I
went
down.
D
D
I
left
I
had
to
get
somebody
to
to
to
watch
him
whatever,
okay,
that
out
of
the
way
you
got
a
little
history
on
it
and
there's
some
other
things,
but
we're
short
on
time,
and
normally
I
don't
do
notes,
but
there's
so
much
here
and
so
many
dates
that
I
felt
like
I
had
to
to
make
sure
I
got
everything
straight
friday
march,
the
27th
I
I
wasn't
aware.
None
of
this
there
was
two
notices
of
rubbish
abatement
and
a
weed
abatement
posted
on
the
door
of
a
vacant
house.
D
Okay,
we
then
march
the
30th.
There
were
two
more
postings,
one,
a
condemnation
and
one
abatement,
something
abatement.
It
brought
up.
Abatement
didn't
know
anything
about
them,
wednesday
april
1st,
my
son,
he
works
over
in
a
illinois
worldwide
and
he
he
got
a
call
from
a
neighbor
across
the
street.
That
kind
of
looks
after
the
place
for
us,
as
always
always
have
that
there
was
some
notices
on
the
door.
D
I
happened
to
be
watching
my
grandson,
that
day
he's
sick
and
couldn't
go
to
the
babysitter
so
and
he
lives
over
right
behind
timberland,
not
too
far
away.
I
said
stop
by
and
get
him
he
stopped
by
and
got
him.
I
I
read
them
it.
You
know
here
it's
posted
on
a
friday
afternoon
and
to
do
this
menageria
stuff
and
have
it
done
by
monday
morning,
because
there's
a
hearing
at
8
30.,
I
didn't
know
anything
about
it
until
wednesday,
thursday.
D
When
I
get
the
stuff
in
the
mail
they
mail
it
on
friday,
mail
don't
run
over
the
weekend.
It
never
got
out
of
st
charles,
it's
got
to
get
over
montgomery
county,
and
now
I
didn't
get
it
until
thirsty.
Then
I
wasn't
worried.
I
called
down
got
a
meeting
with
mr
art.
There
I
went
in
that.
I
didn't
understand,
you
know
what
all
I
mean
there
was.
D
If
you
look
at
the
letter,
you
can
see
that
the
opposed
a
light,
pole's
crooked
there's
a
bird
nest
behind
the
light
behind
the
door
and
the
the
house
of
windows
were
busted
all
in
the
house.
Well,
I
knew
there
wasn't
because
I'd
just
been
there,
the
windows
wasn't
all
busted
out.
Now
there
was
one
window
and
if
he
wants
to
put
it
up,
we'll
see
that
that
picture
is
so
out
of
whack.
G
G
D
Well,
anyway,
I
the
pictures
that
he's
showing
are
back.
While
I
was
looking
after
my
my
mom
and
dad.
I
let
a
guy
use
the
barn
and
become
a
squatter.
I
couldn't
get
him
out
of
there.
I
know
y'all
had
problems
with
him.
I
had
problems
with
him.
Finally,
I
turned
the
electricity
off
to
get
him
to
leave.
G
D
Okay,
that's
the
other
one.
That's
the
one,
busted
wonder
right
there,
that's
a
dual
pane
pella
window.
What
constitutes
a
busted
window,
one
pane
or
both
panes.
It's
still
got
one
paint
on
the
inside,
so
it's
still
a
window
still
they
can't
nobody
crawl
through
it
unless
they
busted
the
other
side
of
it
and.
D
So
I
went
to
the
meeting
with
art
and
I
told
him
what
my
concerns
was
that
his
facts
were
not
straight
and
he
says
well
just
let
me
send
the
contractor
right
there.
If
you
don't
do
it
I'll,
send
the
contractor
out
and
I'll
get
it
done.
I
said
no,
I
can't
afford
that.
You
know
this.
I
can't
afford
I'll
do
what
you
want
done.
D
D
G
A
D
Through
the
date
he
said,
he'd
send
connie
mcintyre
out
on
monday
to
verify
to
clarify
all
the
all
the
problems
that
she
found.
Okay,
I
was
there
on
monday
and
I've
got
minutes
from
that
meeting
that
city
that
connie
would
be
out.
Instead,
mr
art
and
another
fellow
shows
up.
Okay,
there
he
gets
out.
He
goes
looking
around.
He
says,
where's
the
key.
I
said
my
son's
got
it.
He
showed
it.
People
are
interested
in
buying
it
over
the
weekend,
but
where
is
it
at?
D
I
said
he
works
over
in
edwardsville
for
worldwide
he
says
well,
can
you
call
him
and
get
him
to
bring
it
over
here?
I
said
I
think,
not
on
friday
afternoon,
at
close
to
three
o'clock.
I
said:
what
do
you
need
to
go
in
the
house
for
anyway?
I
just
use
it
for
storage,
because
we
couldn't
move
everything
that
we
had,
that
we
over
20
something
years
out
of
there
when
we
moved
so
we
just
closed
in
there.
There's
couches
in
there
there's
dishwasher
microwave.
You
know
everything's
in
there.
D
Well
after
we
walked
around.
He
went
down
to
my
barn,
wanted
me
to
tear
it
down
because
it
was
leaking
around
the
skylight
or
take
go,
tear
the
roof
off
and
redo
the
whole
roof,
and
just
this
that
another
and
finally,
he
told
the
guy
to
leave
the
other
guy
left
and
he
sat
around
a
while
and
the
whole
time.
Just
let
me
just
send
the
contractor
out.
Let
me
send
the
contractor
out
and
I
kept
saying
no,
I
can't
afford
a
contractor
tell
me
what
to
do
well.
D
Here
we
go
after
april
the
7th
this
was
after
I
met
with
him
april.
The
7th
my
neighbor
mark
fisher
called
and
said
that
it
was
a
guy
interest
that
was
buying
his
property.
Would
I
be
interested
in
selling
mine,
I
said
sure
he
said.
Can
I
give
you
my
number?
I
said
yeah
next
day
the
guy
called,
I
told
his
name,
tim
griffey
yeah
he's
a
builder
out
around
new.
D
He
met
me
at
the
property
we
discussed
it.
He
made
me
a
fair
offer
on
it.
We
wrote
a
contract
right
there
on
this
truck.
I
signed
it
carried
it
home.
My
wife
signed.
I
told
him
the
problems
I
was
having
with
the
county.
He
says,
okay,
he
says
I
know
connie.
He
says
I
built
her
house,
he
says
let
me
call
her
tomorrow.
D
He
says
this
is
just
a
waste
of
money
for
you
to
you
know,
board
this
thing
up
and
tear
this
deck
off
and
tear
down
your
fence
and
all
this
because
I'm
going
to
do
it
all
anyway.
Okay,
next
day,
he
calls
me
he
says
ernie
says
I
talked
to
connie
and
she
said
that
we
didn't
have
to
board
up
the
house
that
we
could.
She
wanted
to
build
in
god,
which
he
showed
a
picture
of
that
the
tree
fell
on.
D
He
wanted
it
gone,
he
wanted
defense
side
door
and
he
wanted
a
deck
tour
off
the
back
of
the
house
that
question
about
how
I'm
going
to
tear
the
deck
off
the
back
of
the
house.
He
says
I'll
just
get
a
high
lift
or
something
just
rip
it
off
the
back.
Well,
that's
what
we
did
did
what
the
man
said
do.
D
D
I
probably
spent
1500
more
getting
all
this
stuff
tore
up
tore
down
like
he
wanted
it
well,
saving
grace
the
boards
that
was
on
the
fence
were
25
year
old,
12
foot
long
boards-
it
was,
none
of
them
were
rotten,
some
of
them
were
busted
off,
and
my
son
put-
and
there
was
some
old
wood
gates
here
around
the
barn
he
put
them
on,
buy,
sell
and
trade
and
shoot
people
lit
up
wanting
to
buy
well
after
three
or
four
folks
showed
up
wanting
them.
We
figured
we'd,
sell
them
too
cheap.
D
So
so
then
we
decided
we'd,
take
them
and
just
let
the
guy
that's
tearing
the
fence
down
what
he
didn't
bust
up
to
put
them
in
a
pile
and
we'd
sort
through
them
and
then
get
some
good
money
for
them.
We
had
to
pay
for
all
this
going
on
anyway,
so
we
did
that
and
got
everything
you
know
to
about.
You
know
about
done
and
then,
but
we
didn't
board
the
house
up,
because
connie
had
told
tim,
we
didn't
have
to
board
the
house
up.
D
D
F
D
Go
to
april
17th,
I
know
I'm
kind
of
jumping
around,
but
I'm
trying
to
do
this
as
fast
as
I
can
and
still
y'all
make
sense
of
it
april
17th
I
met
with
me
my
wife.
She
took
off
half
a
day
and
my
son-in-law
joe
bowers.
We
met
connie
out
there.
This
was
after
we
done
took
everything.
I've
got
pictures
right
here
to
show
it
all.
D
If
you
want
to
see
it,
how
it
looks
now
and
we
met
her
out
there,
and
she
told
me
with
my
son-in-law
standing
right
on
my
we
stand
at
the
end
of
the
house.
She
says
you
need
to
put
a
board
in
that.
When
the
firemen
came
out,
they
busted
a
one
of
the
basement
windows.
It
was
a
block
glass
window,
you
know
just
regular
size,
somebody
couldn't
get
through
it
if
they
had
to
number
two.
It
was
down
in
a
window.
D
Well,
two
foot
in
the
ground,
so
ain't,
nobody
getting
through
it,
but
you
need.
You
got
to
board
that
up.
I
said
okay
I'll
get
that
done
well.
She
went
over.
She
went
talking
to
my
wife
and
just
nitpick.
This
set
that
cup's
got
to
be
picked
up.
That
can's
got
to
be
picked
up
just
you
know
it
felt
like
we're
little
school,
kids
being
lectured
to
well,
she
left
and
then,
in
the
meantime
april,
20th
or
21st.
D
I
called
down
it
said
on
the
paper.
I
might
need
to
get
talked
to
the
building
department,
because
artists
said
something
about
taking
the
electricity
down
from
the
transformer
to
the
pole
at
the
house,
and
I
couldn't
figure
out
why
I
mean
he'd
been
there
with
no
problem
there,
so
I
called
the
building
department.
I
got.
I
talked
to
rick
up
to
mick
or
rocky
one
of
them.
I
don't
know
exactly
which
one
but
they're
nice
guys
they
told
them
what
was
going
on.
They
said.
D
Well,
you
need
to
get
a
demo
permit
and
come
down
and
get
a
demo
permit,
and
that
will
throw
it.
You
know
that'll,
give
you
some
time
and
you
don't
have
to
say.
Well,
that's
good
to
know,
I
don't
spend
all
this
money,
but
you
know
still
off
so
I
went
down
through
it's
about
60
mile
drive.
For
me,
I
drove
down
on
friday
the
23rd
and
I
picked
up
the
paperwork.
D
D
D
I
went
down
well
to
my
to
my
despair
when
we
unloaded
the
lawnmower,
I
dropped
the
steel
ramp
right
on
my
toe
busted,
the
fire
out
of
it.
Actually,
I
lost
my
religion
for
a
little
while
had
to
lay
it
on
the
stump
because
it
hurt.
I
thought
so.
I
hobbled
around
there
get
the
mowing
done,
get
all
the
mowing
done,
but
I
wasn't
no
way
I
was
gonna
sort
through
them
board.
So
we
loaded
back
up
went
to
the
house.
D
I
was
up
all
night
with
that
toe
just
to
throw
if
you
ain't,
never
mashed
your
toe,
you
don't
know
how
long
that
thing's,
a
throb
and
it'll
keep
you
up
all
night
long
well
about
my
wife
went
to
work
at
7
30..
She
had
to
make
rounds,
not
saint
joe's.
I
think
that
day
and
I
find
at
6
30
I
finally
got
off
to
sleep
phone
rings
at
7
o'clock.
It's
connie
connie
mcintyre,
she
says
ernie,
so
you
need
to
mow
down
there.
I
says
what
I
says:
I
just
mowed
down
it.
D
No,
you
didn't,
I
said
connie
I
mowed
down
there
yesterday.
Well,
you
need
to
pick
up
all
them
boards
off
the
ground
and
all
this
other
stuff
and
put
and
put
a
board
in
that
window
now.
Why
would
she
keep
telling
me
to
put
a
board
in
this
window
if
I
needed
to
board
up
this
house,
and
she
didn't
tell
griffy
that
all
of
a
sudden
she
denies
any
of
this
a
little
later
on
in
this
escapade.
D
And
we,
oh
I'm
sorry
if
I
stumbled
a
little
bit
but
there's
so
much
going
through
my
mind,
it's
hard
to
keep
it
all
to
keep
it
all
straight.
She
she
said.
Well,
you
got
to
get
that
done.
She
says,
or,
or
I'm
going
to
send
a
contractor
out
there
to
here.
This
contractor
stuff
goes
again
and
get
it.
No.
I
said
connie
in
good
faith.
I
have
been
working
my
butt
off
as
hard
as
I
can
to
get
all
this
stuff.
That
y'all
said
to
get
done
done.
D
Well
that
I
guess
that
wasn't
good
enough,
and
I
did
I'll
admit
to
this-
I
mean
she
just
kept
on
me
and
on
me
and
this
about
the
content.
Finally,
I
said
you
know
I
ain't
in
a
good
mood
at
all,
but
they've
never
seen
that
side
of
me,
I've
always
been,
you
know,
tried
to
be
nice
and
accommodating,
and
do
anything
that
I
could
do
to
please
these
people.
I've
raised
that
away.
D
D
I
didn't
know
what
she
wanted
exactly
when
I
was
gonna
get
back
down
there.
I
said
as
soon
as
I
walked
good.
I
said
you
know
I.
I
can't
tell
you
how
long
this
thing's
gonna
be
for.
I
just
now
today
been
able
to
get
my
boot
on
and
that
was
three
weeks
ago
and
we'll
go
now
to
may
the
sixth
on
wednesday
wednesday,
my
wife's
off.
So
me,
my
wife,
my
son.
He
took
a
half
a
day
off.
We
worked
down
there.
I
mowed
that
place
just
as
low
as
that
old
husky.
D
I
got
him
up,
I
went
and
took
roundup
and
all
the
horse
weeds
I
could
find
which
they
outgrow
anymore.
Two
to
one
you
know,
you're
gonna,
have
him
go
like
that?
Where
grass
don't
go
like
that,
I
took
ground
up
and
I
told
you
that
sprayer
all
over
there
and
I
sprayed
every
one
of
them,
I
could
find
got
them
all
sprayed
down
good
then
me
and
the
son.
D
I
let
a
church
group,
his
church
group
every
year
put
a
community
garden
in
there
and
so
they'd
come
out
and
helped
us
with
the
demolition
stuff.
So
we
got
my
tiller
out
and
we
tilled
up
the
garden
and
we
were
all
standing
there
when
we
got
done
it's
about
6,
6.,
they're
feeling
good
about
it.
You
know
hey.
This
is
this
is
a
good
thing.
D
D
I
don't,
and
I
don't
know
what
all
else
is
gone
well.
I
just
started
getting
a
little
mad
at
that
point
in
time.
Actually,
I've
been
mad
twice
in
my
life
and
this
was
the
second
time
and
he
asked
me
he
said
dad.
He
says
what's
wrong
with
these
people,
we've
worked
so
hard
to
do
what
they
wanted
done.
What's
wrong
with
them.
I
said
I
said
son
I'm
devastated,
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
I
just
beside
myself.
I
didn't
it
was
too
late
to
call
anybody.
I
don't
know
who
to
call
here.
D
At
this
time,
okay,
this
is
an
important
part
right
here.
Yeah,
I
just
you
know
the
feelings
you
get
when
you
feel
like
you've
just
been
betrayed,
you
know
I
just
tore
up.
I
stayed
I
bowed
rolled
and
tumbled
was
mad
was
happy
with
everything
ever
everything
in
the
world
went
through
my
mind
that
night,
the
next
morning
at
eight
o'clock,
I'm
down
to
child's
office
well
art
was
on
vacation.
I
did
raise
my
voice,
I
won't,
I
won't
say
I
didn't,
but
I
thought
I
had
reason
to
here.
D
I'd
done
what
I
had
tried
to
do,
what
they
wanted
done,
did
it
in
good
faith
and
they
send
people
out
there.
Trespassing
on
my
property
board,
my
house,
up,
which
I
can't
even
get
in
now-
and
I've
got
stuff
stored
in
it
because
I
said
that
dark
when
he
was
talking
that
I
said
look,
I
got
stuff
stored
in
there.
How
am
I
going
to
get
to
it
if
I
board
all
this
up?
He
never
answered
me
like
he
wasn't
concerned
about
that.
You
remember
that
wasn't
concerned
about
that.
Were
you
no,
that.
F
D
F
D
To
be
on
vacation-
and
I
was
asked
to
leave
so
I
left-
went
back
to
the
house
called
connie.
I
calmed
down
a
little
bit
called
her.
I
said:
look
I
want
to
know
one
thing
tell
me
what
law
y'all
used
to
trespass
send
somebody
onto
my
property
haul
off
my
my
possessions,
I
had
a
dumpster
sitting
right
there,
full
of
junk
anything
else.
Wasn't
junk
to
haul
off
my
possessions
board
perfectly
good
pillow
windows
up,
and
I
said
what
what
law
did
you
use
to
do
that?
Well,
you
got
to
talk
dark,
I
said.
D
Well,
I
said:
can
you
do
me
one
favor,
if,
before
you
send
anybody
else
to
my
property,
to
trespass
or
haul
anything
off
or
do
anything
else,
will
you
please
have
the
common
courtesy
to
notify
me?
I
said:
do
you
let
people
go
on
your
property,
would
you
not
be
in
there
and
do
work
unless
you
know
them
personally,
she
says
no,
I
says:
well,
what
difference
is
it
with
me?
D
I
should
be
notified
before
somebody
goes
on
my
property
to
take
my
my
possessions
off
of
it
essentially
steal
them,
but
yeah,
and
I
got
a
list
about
everything
they
took
and
she
said
okay,
she
would
well.
I
felt
a
little
bit
I
hear
I
made
my
mistake.
I
listened
to
her
listen
to
him
again.
Well
monday,
the
11th
it
was
raining.
D
May
the
12th
get
another
call
from
my
son.
Dad
they've
been
back.
They've
got
all
our
firewood.
They've
got
the
fence,
they
got
a
roll
of,
they
got
hog
panels,
they
got
the
gates.
You
know,
I
don't
know
what
all
and
I've
just
threw
my
hands
up,
and
you
know
you
can't.
Even
you
know,
trust
what
they
tell
you
they'll
do
in
common
this
ain't,
a
witch
hunt
for
me,
it's
just
the
facts.
It's
how
it
was
presented,
which
is
wrong.
D
D
Well,
I
want
to
know
where
we
draw
the
line.
What
is
deemed
disrepair
the
one
in
disrepair
to
one
person
it
necessarily
disrepair
to
another
person.
I
was
taught
if
you,
if
it
broke,
fix
it.
If
it
broke
again
fix
it,
when
you
get
where
you
can't
break
it,
save
it
for
parts,
that's
the
way
I
was
brought
up.
D
You
know,
and
I
know
the
law
enforcement
you
have
to
get
a
judge
to
sign
a
warrant
before
you
can
go
on
somebody's
property
and
search
it,
and
if
you
take
anything
off
of
it,
you
got
to
tag
it
and
keep
what
puts
these
people
above
the
law
of
what
a
judge
says.
You
know,
there's
no
judge,
I
didn't
get
no
certified
letters
or
nothing
else.
D
It
just
happened
to
you
and
I
I
don't
know
how
many
other
people
in
here
had
stuff
like
that
happen
to
them,
but
I'm
sure
a
few
of
y'all
in
here,
because
it
did
happen
to
you
and
it
just
you
know,
I
don't
know
where
what
happened
to
small
government
for
the
people,
smaller
government
for
the
people,
that's
what
I
I
was
raised
on
lease
government.
Let
the
people
control
them,
and
this
is
zoned
agricultural.
By
the
way.
A
Here's
for
a
second
time
I
got
some
questions.
I
called
you
guys
on
this
one
and
I
I
I
you
the
pictures
like
ernie
said
I
mean
those
are
older
pictures,
but
but
just
to
talk
about
some
procedures
here
was
ernie.
Mr
catcher
was
he
notified.
Was
he
just
getting
stickers
put
on
his
door?
No!
No!
That's
absolutely
notified.
A
Okay,
just
just
some
questions,
I
got
some
questions
on
procedures,
art.
What?
What
how
does
for
this
gentleman
here?
You
could
argue
that
it's
a
mess
and
everything
else
and
all
that
okay,
but
where,
in
our
ordinances,
does
it
give
the
county
the
authority
to
go
out
into
his
shed
and
clean
his
sheds
out?
They
don't
clean
the
sheds
out.
E
G
B
A
A
H
A
Was
like
a
500
page,
but
it's
so
unclear.
I
got
the
thing
it's
it
doesn't
give
you
the
authority,
it's
it.
It
gives
you
discretion,
which
is
way
too
much
authority
to
begin
with,
but
I
I
what
I'm
confused
is
is
why
they
went
on
his
took
his
oat
barge.
If
you
know
anything
about
country
lumber
it's
expensive
and
they
took
that
they
took
stuff
outside.
He
called
the
contractor.
Who
was
supposedly
took
the
stuff.
The
contractor
will
not
return
his
phone
calls
to
get
him
his
stuff
back.
Is
that
right?
That's
right!.
G
First
of
all,
without
seeing
the
pictures
of
what
was
out
there,
what
was
taken
you're
jumping
a
conclusion
that
that's
exactly
what
happened
and
sometimes,
as
you
can
see,
that's
not
what
it
is.
You
have
to
look
at
the
pictures.
We
have
to
go
back,
look
at
the
case
file
and
look
through
it,
but
before
I
jump
to
conclusion,
I'm
sorry
what
was
the
next
question.
F
G
This
one
it
looks
like
we
had,
you
had
a
rubbish
abatement
case.
It
actually
was
initiated.
Looked
like
back
on
march
27
2015,
there's
a
hearing
spoke
with
the
owner
on
april,
2nd
on
march
31st.
There
was
an
abatement
hearing
post
on
property.
Then
we
scheduled
a
meeting
to
meet
with
you,
you
contacted
me.
We
went
out
and
met
on
april.
A
How
come
I
asked
for
them?
Okay,
how
come
there's
meeting
minutes
for
that
hearing,
but
there
wasn't
meeting
minutes
for
mr
shapers
here.
There's
minutes
for
those
I
got
the
email
right
here
art.
I
asked
for
the
meeting
minutes
of
that
meeting,
and
you
said
you
don't
have
meeting
minutes
it
says
on
december
here
and
it
is
recorded
in
the
minutes.
What
exactly
was
said
to
mr
genassie
no
tape
recording
is
made.
There
were
informal
hearings
on
weeds
rubbish
and
board
abatement.
These
are
less
formal
and
clerical
staffs.
G
Have
meeting
minutes
your
question
was
there?
Are
they
recorded
in
our
formal
minutes?
No,
they
don't
do
a
verbatim
minute,
what
they
are
they're,
they're
less.
Basically,
what
was
the
discussion?
It's
not
a
word
for
word.
Just
like
a
demo
hearing
demo
hearing
everything
is
recorded.
You
have
every
word
it
was
set
on
those.
A
Hold
on
ernie,
hello
and
wayne
hold
on
guys
come
on
hold
on
hold
on,
let's
not
go
there,
let's
keep
it
civil.
I
try
not
to
no,
I
understand
I
I
just
some
of
these
things.
I
mean
we,
we
can
you
go
tit
for
tat.
I
just
I
just
don't
know
if
I
think
some
of
these
things
are
very
unclear.
Well,
it's
time
for
ted.
G
You
have
we
go
back
to
you.
Just
had
the
minutes
on
the
third
31st
march,
31st
april
6
went
out
and
met
with
him
went
over
each
item
with
him
went
over
the
structures.
What
he
can
do,
what
he
can't
do,
what
it
would
take,
went
over
exactly
what
needed
to
be
removed.
What
needed
to
be
cut?
He
wanted
to
keep
some
stuff
and
well,
if
you
want
to
keep
it,
you
got
to
put
it
in
the
barn.
That's
fine.
G
So
then
we
proceeded
potential.
Buyer
contact
us
on
april
9th
there
was
a
leftover
message
with
the
owner
talked
about
it.
The
inspector
went
on
again
met
with
the
owner
on
april
17th,
which
was
the
extension
I
gave
them.
They
have
everything
completed
by
them,
which
was
to
cut
the
grass,
get
all
the
rubbish
out
of
there
and
board
up
the
structure.
G
G
D
A
G
A
A
B
A
G
G
D
I
hauled
it
back
home,
but
I
left
the
tiller
in
the
barn
and
it
was
gone
whether
they
said
they
didn't
take
it
well.
Nobody
else
has
been
there.
Nobody
else
sent
anybody
out.
Common
sense
says:
well,
these
people
were
there,
somebody
directed
them
to
haul
off
my
wood
haul
off
my
firewood
and
everything
else.
G
L
A
A
So
here's
my
concern
on
this
one
they've
shewedy
family,
sweaty
road
they've,
been
out
there
for
a
long
long
time.
They
got
a
barn.
What
your
great-grandfather
built
or
something
like
that,
and
so
it's
a
rough
barn,
no
doubt
about
it,
but
it's
on
their
property
and
they've
been
farming
out
there
for
a
long
long
time
and
it's
like
the
landscape
in
rural,
rural
america,
you
got
old
barns,
you
got
old
structures,
they
fall
down,
you
leave
them
alone
and
that's
it
and
the
the
problem
I
have
with
this
is.
A
I
did
call
the
county
on
this,
try
to
talk
to
them
about
it
and
they
think
that
they
should
do
this.
They
should
condemn
barnes
and
tell
them
to
tear
them
down,
and-
and
I
I
don't
agree
with
that-
I
think
that
I
think
it's
wrong,
and
so
I
wanted
to
know
if
the
council
felt
the
same
way.
I
mean
if
these
folks
have
a
barn
on
their
farm.
A
A
G
N
O
G
O
M
N
Okay:
three
membrane
membrane
type
structures
on
the
property
in
violation
of
chapter
31,
of
the
international
building
code
of
saint
charles
county,
as
adopted
by
section
500.010
ordinances
of
saint
charles
county
oscc,
mo
remove
structures
from
the
property
within
10
days
of
the
date
of
this
notice.
A
permit
may
be
required
contact
the
saint
charles
county
building
division,
nine,
four,
nine,
seven,
three,
four,
five
for
more
information
are
we.
E
E
B
B
L
Where
I
live,
I
mean
there's
ever
there's:
every
farmer
undergoes
got
a
pole,
barn
and
they
put
them
up
without
permits,
and
they
did
back
in
them
days
and
when
these
guys
built
theirs
and
they're
still
doing
that.
That
thing
doesn't
look
any
different
to
me
than
the
structure
that
we
store
salt
and
for
cash
same.
P
A
E
O
A
E
E
A
G
H
E
Are
you
okay?
Do
you
see
the?
I
think
the
letters
are
a
little
vague,
though
about
what
what
we're
telling
people
they
need
to
do
and
what
they
don't
need
to
do,
and
I
know
it
makes
a
lot
easier
to
have
one
form
letter
that
goes
out,
but
on
the
receiving
end
it's
hard
to
when
you
get
that
letter
to
to
know
what
is
it
that
the
county
wants
us
to
do?
Is
it
required
to
get
a
permit
to
do
this
or
not?
P
O
You
know
remove
or
repair
remove,
structure
from
the
property
from
the
permit
may
be
required
contact
saint
charles
county
building
division,
and
that
was
the
one
that
we
had
cleaned
up.
That
fell
this
past
winter
with
the
snow
and
we
just
never
had
a
chance
to
get
it
cleaned
up,
but
we
got
that
all
cleaned
up,
there's
two
of
them
that
totally
fell
down
heavy
snow
when
they
collapsed,
but
we
did
get
all
those
picked
up.
That's
that's
all
gone
now.
So.
A
G
Well,
under
the
county's
property
maintenance
code
is
up
the
discretion.
I
guess
the
inspector
to
say
is
that
a
safe
structure
or
not?
Is
it
deteriorated
and
doesn't
meet
the
property
maintenance?
Because
the
answer
was
no,
it
does
not.
So
the
inspector
wrote
it
up
now.
If
the
council
wants
to
change
how
things
are
handled
in
different
areas,
similar
like
what
you've
done
bloodline,
I
guess
that's
completely
up
to
the
country.
E
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
take
an
opposing
viewpoint,
just
because
you
know
I
I'd
like
to
have
good
discussions,
but
the
whole
point
of
having
building
codes,
though,
is
to
make
sure
that
people
don't
get
hurt
in
them.
You
could
say
the
same
thing
about
how
you
know
a
house
across
the
street
here
on
third
street.
You
know
who's
it
unsafe
to
other
than
the
people
that
live
there.
E
Well,
if
we
have
unsafe
structures
that
are
out
there
and
and
by
your
by
what
you
just
told
me,
two
of
them
fell
down
because
they
had
snow
on
the
roof.
Okay,
it
could
have,
it
could
have
fallen
on
on
one
of
you
three
gentlemen.
Also,
so
you
know
is
it
the?
Is
it
the
county's
responsibility,
or
is
it
something
we
should
be
doing
to
go
out
there
and
and
remind
people
to
take
down
buildings
they're
about
to
fall
down?
Are
you
going
to
check
every
building
in.
A
How
is
that
fair?
And
I
think
that
I
think,
though,
that
you
have
the
neighborhood
preservation.
I
think
that
agriculture
be
excluded,
because
you
got
these
farms,
that's
been
running
their
business
out
there
for
100
years
or
whatnot
and,
and
you
say,
unsafe,
barn.
Well,
if
unsafe
to
them
it's
their
decision,
I
mean
it's
their
barn
and.
A
So
if
they,
if
they
choose
to
have
an
unsafe
structure,
a
barn,
that's
been
there
for
200
something
years
or
whatever
that's
their
choice,
and
that's
where
the
ordinance.
I
think
we
have
to
get
clarified,
because
this
I
you
have
no
idea
how
many
complaints
I've
been
getting
on
this
neighborhood
preservation
sweep,
and
I
think
that
it's
just
a
huge
infringement
on
property.
A
H
H
A
People
who,
if
you're
speaking
of
the
people
who
are
filled
in
five
acre
lots
or
subdivisions
or
whatnot,
they
moved
out
there,
knowing
the
expectations
where
they
were
moving
and
those
farmers
and
agriculture
people
were
there
first,
so
you
can
expect
them
to
adapt
to
their
way
of
life.
That's
not
right!.
F
M
L
I
I
We
definitely
need
to
visit
the
property
maintenance
code
and
these
this,
the
agricultural
property
needs
to
be
dealt
with
separately.
I
mean
this
barn
is,
for
you
know,
cows
get
out
of
the
rain
and
for
them
to
store
some
hay
and
stuff,
and
we
need.
We
need
to
address
that
in
an
ordinance
change,
and
I
would
be
supportive
of
that.
L
Some
exemption
for
agricultural
properties.
Another
thing
is,
I
agree
with
you.
You
folks
were
there
before
the
subdivisions
for
wineries
and
all
that,
and
you
know
what.
Even
if
that
barn,
the
way
it
looks
the
way
it
is
there.
Okay,
that's
your
barn
and
your
family
member
come
from
that
bond
and
nobody
should
tell
you
to
tear
that
market
right.
L
100
acres
of
your
family
farm,
it
has
some
mental
value
to
you,
because
your
great-grandfather,
whatever
built
it
right,
then
you
know
what
that's
something.
Maybe
you
work
on
a
little
bit
in
the
winter
time
you
do
a
little
bit
better,
you
do
what
you
want
to
do
with
it,
but
it's
yours
that
shouldn't
be
something
right.
That's
got
historic
value
to
it
right,
right
and.
F
O
N
I
got
one
more
comment
too,
for
those
people
that
are
worried
about,
and
that's
the
beginning
paragraph
here
about
the
safety
of
it.
Wouldn't
their
efforts
be
a
lot
more
productive
if
they
were
geared
to
what's
going
on
right
now
they
want
to.
I
think,
I'm
pretty
sure
I
heard
something
about
it.
They
want
to
repeal
the
helmet
law
on
motorcycles
and
they
want
to
raise
a
speed
limit
up
to
75
on
interstates.
L
P
G
A
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
So,
anyway,
papa
you
called
me
and
that
you
were
the
third
guy
to
call
me
that
day
and
I
couldn't
believe
I'm
like.
Oh
my
god,
I'm
getting
all
these
calls.
So
that's
why
we're
having
the
meeting,
I
think,
there's
some
inconsistencies.
I
think
there's
some
problems.
You
guys
have
that
that's
a
farm
you've
had
for
a
long
time
in
your
family.
My.
Q
A
A
Q
A
A
F
G
G
G
G
The
letter
is
a
standard
form
letter
which
identifies
exactly
what's
in
the
ordinances,
including
the
penalty
provisions.
Those
are
standard
form
letters.
That's
why
there's
also
an
appeal
provision
put
in
there.
It
says
you
may
request
an
informal
review
of
determination
of
the
division
of
director
of
neighborhood
preservation.
So
if
there's
ever
an
issue,
you
can
always
contact
me
as
well,
not
just
deal
with
inspector
there's.
Also
a
formal
appeal,
that's
also
written
in
there.
B
G
Q
B
G
We
have
paint
cases,
we
have
cases
that
have
been
on
where
I
put
people
on
a
program.
It's
they've
got
so
much
stuff
to
take
care
of,
they
might
be
given.
Okay,
can
you
get
this
done
in
30
60
days,
then
we'll
go
to
the
next
violation
and
we
work
out
a
time
frame
with
them.
Worked
it
out
with
several
people.
G
In
this
case
also,
you
have
to
look
at
the
inspector.
Just
doesn't
go
out
there.
They
go
out
when
they
go
out
to
the
properties.
They
will
leave
a
card
on
the
door
and
we've
gotten
to
the
point
where
they're
actually
taking
pictures
where
they
left
the
cart
on
the
door
to
try
to
make
contact
with
the
owners.
We
never
have
seen
a
car.
I
don't
know
if
there's
not,
I
don't
know.
I
can
tell.
B
F
A
B
A
B
See
I
think
this
is
important
thing
and
I
hope
that
you
understand.
I
I
think
there's
there's
good
points
to
be
made
about
an
agricultural
exemption.
Okay,
but
see
art's
problem
is
this
farm
house,
even
though
it's
a
farm
house
come
under
comes
under
the
same
code
as
every
other
house
in
saint
charles
county.
Q
A
Well,
I
I
would
like
to
make
a.
However,
you
call
it
I
would
like
to.
I
would
say
that
all
the
violations
that
we
wrote
on
agricultural
properties
at
this
point
be
put
on
hold
until
we
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
do.
I
think
we
need
to
rewrite
the
ordinances.
I
think
we
need
to
revisit
them.
I
think
we
need
to
revisit
procedures.
A
A
Well,
I'm
asking
the
counselor
if
we
have
a
consensus
to
do
an
administration.
I
hope
you'd
agree
with
me
that
we
just
if
at
this
point
right
now,
stop
all
of
the
violations
we
wrote
on
agriculture
ground
until
we
figure
out
if
there's
something
we
can
do
to
be
a
little
more
reasonable,
because
I
don't
think
we've
been
reasonable
at
all.
That's
that's
what
the
consensus
I'd
like
to
get.
A
B
B
Let
me
just
say
that
you
know
I
I
don't.
I
don't
think
people
should
blame
art,
because
the
council
in
the
past
has
never
deemed
it
necessary
to
do
an
agricultural
exemption.
I've
never
had
these
problems
before
state
correct,
that's
nice!
I
I
I
was
dealing
with
agricultural
exemptions
for
the
farmers
in
the
levee
district
down
there
20
years
ago,
and
that
was
one
of
our
problems.
Once
the
county
became
a
first
class
charter
county.
Those
those
exemptions
didn't
didn't
apply
anymore.
B
So
I
don't
it's
not
a
new
issue
for
me,
but
that's,
that's!
That's
fine.
I
think
that
if
I
could
just
sum
up,
one
of
some
of
the
good
things
that
have
come
out
of
this
is
the
word.
Condemnation
is
really,
I
think,
that's
a
good
point
dave.
The
word
condemnation
is
the
wrong
word,
because
people
hear
condemnation,
they
think
the
government's
going
to
take
their
property
for
its
own
use.
So
I
I
would-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
can
do
that.
B
Right
now,
the
other
thing-
and
this
is
I-
I
kept
hearing
all
this
stuff-
about
people
going
on
property
joanne.
Would
you
explain
the
whole
concept
of
the
cartilage
and
what
we
can
and
can't
do
and
it's
my
understanding.
We've
never
gone
in
anybody's
property
without
a
warrant,
but
we
can
go
on
the
property
in
certain
cases
when.
P
P
L
When
I
was
an
alderman
st
paul,
we
had
a
very
similar
situation
when
county
was
doing
our
enforcement
okay
and
they
were
doing
the
drive-bys
and
sweeps
okay
and
it
was
causing
us
all
kinds
of
problems,
because
st
paul's
a
lot
like
a
lot
of
these
folks,
his
area.
He
got
some
subdivisions,
but
you
got
some
farm
families
been
there
forever.
Okay
and
right
when,
since
we
were
contracting
with
saint
st
charles
county
for
doing
our
code
enforcement,
we
said
right
then,
and
there
we
don't
want
any
more
sweeps
drive-bys.
L
If
the
neighbor's
worried
about
somebody's
barn
fall
on
their
fence
or
their
house
or
the
barn
metal
blowing
off
and
not
going
through
a
picture
window,
they
got
a
right
to
complain
and
maybe
an
investigation
needs
to
to
go.
We
took
it
one
step
further
and
when
there
was
a
complaint
before
we
turned
that
in
as
a
city
government
before
we
turn
that
into
county
to
do
the
enforcement,
we
would
send
that
off
to
the
aldermen
and
make
a
call.
L
Okay
and
calderman
would
actually
call
I'd,
call
the
citizens
of
st
paul
and
say
you
know
we
got
a
little
problem.
You
got
a
neighbor
complained
about
something
on
your
property.
You
know,
there's
three
junk
cars
in
your
backyard.
Can
you
get
that
taken
care
of
and
well
yeah?
What
I'll
do?
Can
you
get
it
done
within
you
know
a
month
or
two?
Oh
yeah,
that's
fine,
and
then
I
called
the
resident
to
complain
and
said,
give
it
a
month
or
two
give
the
guy
the
time
to
get
it
out
of
there.
L
If
not
call
back
and
we'll
go
further,
and
I
tell
you
that
took
care
of
99
point
something
percent
of
the
problems
and
didn't
create
an
undue
burden,
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
having
government
people
driving
around
through
neighborhoods.
Looking,
I
remember
one.
I
saw
a
few
years
back
when
I
first
started
with
county
about
some
guy.
That
left
is
probably
wanting
a
fishing
trip
and
left
his
beer
cooler
on
the
front
porch
and
he
got
a
ticket
for
having
a
beer
cooler
in
the
front
porch
I
mean
this
is
still
saint
charles
county.
L
A
Chairman
or
something
steve,
the
only
the
only
thing
that
joe
is,
I
agree
what
you're
saying
is
an
improvement,
but
it
still
concerns
me
if
it's
complaint
driven
because
number
one
has
there
really
been
a
complaint
number
two.
What
if
you
get
some
subdivision
that
moves
in
and
the
farmer's
been
there
a
hundred
years
and
they're
complaining
about
the
farmer,
is
the
county
going
to
still
ride
it.
L
L
But
you've
heard
me
say
this
before:
you
cannot
codify
everything.
You
can't
put
every
conceivable
thing
in
a
book
of
codes,
you
can't
do
it
and
you've
got
to
have
some
discretion,
some
common
sense.
With
dealing
with
this
stuff.
I
mean
you
know
like
the
swadey
family.
You've
been
there
for
a
zillion
years,
and
I
don't
know
how
many
acres
they
got.
You
can't
be
telling
them
they
gotta
tear
down
the
family.
Paul
barne,
I
mean
that's
it's
crazy.
L
It's
great,
I
don't
know
I
mean,
and
then
I
understand
where
some
of
you
guys
may
have
trouble
if
you
live
in
if
you're
you
live
in
a
subdivision
and
you're
and
you're
not
from
this
county.
But
if
you
grew
up
like
I
did
in
rural
areas
of
the
county,
I
mean
this
kind
of
stuff.
You're.
Thinking
really
are
we
doing
this
and
you
know
I'm
having
a
hard
time
comprehending
some
of
this
well.
A
B
G
B
G
90,
I
think,
there's
also
you
mentioned
a
municipality.
Our
municipal
contracts
are
handled
differently.
Also,
we
don't
that
the
municipal
contract,
the
complaint
has
to
come
from
the
city
official.
It
has
to
come
from
either
the
clerk
or
whoever
their
designated
person.
That's
part
of
the
contract,
so
we
don't
even
go
out
and
do
sweeps
in
st
paul
and
they'll
contact
us
and
say
they
want
to
sweep.
We
do
not
initiate
anything
in
the
municipalities.
G
Conversations
with
the
city
official,
they
have
a
contract,
they
have
a
designated
person
and
it
gets
filtered
to
me
and
they
send
me
an
email
and
we
log
it
in
we
say:
okay,
what
do
you
want
done
and
we
handle
it
if
they
say
we
don't
want
this
case
handled
any
further,
then
we
close
that
case
out.
They
actually
dictate
how
we
handle
the
cases.
Well,.
A
I
would
like
to
make
a
a
informal
motion
or
whatever
that
we
hold
all
any
all
in
any
complaint.
That's
been
written
up
today
on
hold
until
we
we
can
keep
the
file
open,
but
we
hold
them
until
we
know
what
direction
we're
going
to
go
in,
because
this
is
just
not
it's
not
the
way.
I
want
our
county
to
treat
people
joe.
If
I
could.
E
A
A
A
A
Think
it's
discretionary.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
he's
discretionary.
He
has
the
right
to
describe
not
to
condemn
barnes
and
stuff
like
that.
That
would
have
never
been.
I
would
have
never
agreed
to
that,
but
I
mean
the
codification
was
600
pages
or
whatever
it
was
when
we
did
the
udo
changes
and
this
stuff.
We
never
did
this
stuff
until
a
year,
not
even
six
months
ago,
is
when
we
started
writing
up
farms.
We
never
did
that
before.
A
P
H
A
P
Full
screen
affirmation-
joe,
that's
not
true
monday.
You
told
me
of
that.
These
I
said
what
is
going
on.
Why
did
you?
Because
we
got
no
information
whatsoever
when
you
scheduled
this
nothing
nada,
and
I
asked
you
what
was
going
on
so
you
said,
let
me
give
you
some
examples
and
you
threw
them
out
and
I
wrote
them
down
and
I
said,
let
me
get
the
records
to
this
stuff
and
I
called
you
friday
and
said:
we've
got
the
records
we're
going
to
put
together
a
summary.
K
Name
is
marsha:
bear
I'm
a
lifelong
resident
of
southwest
st
charles
county
defiance,
augusta
we've.
We've
been
talking
about
where
these
laws
originated
and
I've
been
doing
research
on
the
county's
website
and
I'd
just
like
to
mention.
I
have
found
the
st
charles
county
master
plan
in
vision,
2025
that
was
approved
by
the
council
july
10
of
2013..
K
This
is
an
80
page
document
which
states
at
the
beginning
that
it
was
developed
by
quote
focus
groups
and
other
invited
community
participants.
Unquote.
Nowhere
are
these
focus
groups.
Are
these
participants
named
and
these
people
are
not
our
elected
officials
and
then
I
found
we've
talked
about
the
international
property
maintenance
code
adopted
by
the
county
in
2009.
K
K
K
A
2012
amendment
to
this
master
plan
designates
the
defiance
area
along
highway,
94
and
agri-tourism
land
use
area.
Page
five
of
that
amendment
states
quote:
a
setback
of
one
half
the
depth
of
the
property
will
facilitate
an
open
field
and
preserve
vistas.
This
setback
will
provide
ample
room
to
develop
the
parcel
unquote
so
councilman
cronin.
L
Committee,
if
you
want
to
know
right,
master
plan
is
just
just
a
pie
in
the
sky
of
how
we're
going
to
the
county
should
develop
down
the
road.
Nothing
is
binding,
but
the
reason
you
have
to
have
a
master
plan
is
because,
if
someone
wishes
to
locate
a
subdivision
within
the
county,
they
need
to
go
to
an
area,
that's
earmarked
for
subdivisions
not
in
a
pla,
an
area.
That's
it.
L
For
wineries
on
your
area
or
bean
fields
in
my
area,
so
I
think
people
read
a
lot
more
into
that
master
plan.
But
when
I
was
a
municipal
official
we
were
told-
and
this
wayne
would
probably
know
more
about
this
than
I
do-
maybe
dave
as
well.
You
have
to
have
a
master
plan
for
orderly
planning
and
part
of
the
planning
is
what
planning
and
zoning
does,
but
helping.
H
We're
permitting
in
that
zoning
district
commercial
uses
within
an
agricultural
zone,
and
there
were
some
requirements
set
up
for
that
district.
If
you
wanted
to
put
a
commercial
use
there,
that
would
try
to
maintain
the
rural
character
of
the
area,
but
still
allow
this
commercial
use
like
a
hotel,
a
dinner
theater
or
whatever.
A
K
I
Let
me
explain
that
all
the
all
the
building
codes
that
the
county
uses,
along
with
the
property
maintenance
code,
are
published
nationally
by
the
international
codes,
the
icc,
the
pro
the
county,
has
had
a
property
maintenance
code
since
1992,
and
it's
involved
every
time,
there's
a
new
addition
and
I
think
the
county
probably
does
it
every
second
edition.
So,
like
every
six
years,
they'll
update
those
codes.
I
I
B
F
B
Whatever
they
recommend,
it
basically
comes
to
our
office
to
wayne
and
all
of
us,
and
then
we
recommend
something
to
the
council
and
we
recommend
it
to
the
council,
there's
a
public
hearing,
so
anybody
can
come
and
say:
hey
we
like
this.
We
don't
like
that
and
I
think
under
the
charter
we've
got
a
we've
got
a
we've
got
to
redo
that
every
every
five
years,
so
there'll
be
an
opportunity
here
in
the
next
few
years,
and-
and
you
know,
maybe
we
need
to
redo
the
whole
master
plan
and
provide
greater.
B
B
These
folks
have
to
deal
with
all
the
time
striking
that
balance
between
you
know
safety
and
property
values
and
everything
else
on
the
one
hand
and
freedom
on
the
other,
and
it's
obvious
that
you
think
they
they
missed
the
balance
here
on
regard
to
agriculture
kind
of,
but
I
can
only
tell
you
it's
it's
it's
a
tough
job
and
I'm
sure
they'll
they'll
continue
to
to
to
to
give
it
their
100
effort
to
get
it
right.
Well,.
A
J
I
do
agree:
terry,
go
ahead,
yeah
one
thing
about
the
master
plan:
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
but
it's
it's
just
a
overall
overview.
Individual
decisions
have
to
be
made
by
us
on
an
individual
basis.
Okay,
so,
no
matter
what
the
master
plan
says,
each
individual
case,
zoning
whatever
still
comes
before
us.
We
still
consider
that
individual
case
against.
Maybe
it
might
go
against
what
the
the
master
plan
says
and
again
somebody
else
says:
well,
you
know
you
want
to
follow
them,
but
still
take
it
on
an
individual
basis,
though.
A
I
think
what
we
need
to
do.
I
think
what
I
would
like
to
recommend
that
we
do
is
whoever,
if
joe
or
whoever's
in
the
rural
districts
want
to
get
together.
Well,
I
don't
want
I
hate,
saying
committee,
but
we'll
get
together
and
and
meet
with
wayne
and
art
and
whoever
and
come
up
with
a
solution.
I'm
my
my
idea
is
to
pretty
much
exclude
agriculture
from
this
neighborhood
preservation
department,
except
for
maybe
tires
and
junk
cars
and
stuff
like
that,
but
pretty
much
just
excluded.
L
I've
had
a
few
incidents
like
this
come
up
in
my
district
and
people
complain
to
me
and
I
usually
call
talk
to
wayne
and
we've
worked
it
out,
okay,
and
so,
when
you're
saying
90
of
the
cases
get
worked
out.
I
think
in
that
my
district-
that's
probably
true,
maybe
better
we're
not
having
the
same
problems
we're
having,
but
I
do
got
a
problem
if
you
did
a
sweep
in
st
paul
okay
in
that
surrounding
area,
you're
going
to
find
same
kind
of
of
these
agricultural.
L
You
know
you
know,
issues
that
you
see
here
and
I
do
agree
with
the
other
man.
One
man's
junk
is
another
man's
treasure.
If
you
come
around
my
barns,
I
got
some
stuff
that
my
wife
calls
junk,
but
I
think
is
the
treasure
you
know.
So
it's
kind
of
it's
the
same
thing,
so
I
think
you've
got
to
use.
I
think
the
only
solution
is
discretion
in
this
stuff,
and
you
know
if
the
neighbors
got
worried
about
the
barn
metal
flying
off
and
killing
his
kids
in
the
backyard.
L
That's
a
legitimate
thing,
but
if
it's
a
barn
in
the
middle
of
a
100
acre
field,
it's
not
causing
the
problem.
I
think
it's
different
and
I
don't
think
we
can
write
that
and
we
can
try
all
we
want
we're
going
to
write
that
in
the
code.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
up
to
your
your
guys
and
you
know-
and
I
think
you're
hearing
loud
and
clear
from
these
folks
today.
So
how
do
you
know?
How
do
we
get
that
done?
E
A
art's
got
one
set
of
rules
that
apply
across
the
board
and
I
think
that
and
that
allows
a
lot
of
the
problems,
are
the
agriculture
areas,
the
in
my
area.
We
have
a
lot
of
clubhouses
down
on
the
on
the
riverfront,
completely
different
set
of
standards
as
compared
to
some
of
the
of
the
I'll
call
modern
subdivisions
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
E
You
can't
have
12-inch
grass
growing
in
a
subdivision,
but
down
on
the
riverfront,
nothing
wrong
with
it.
In
fact,
you
know
if
it's
only
12
inches,
it
could
be
the
best
one
down
there.
It
is
you
know
you
can't
you
know
we
don't
we
don't
expect
to
have
boats
parked
in
your
in
your
front
yard.
If
you
live,
you
know
on
you
know
off
of
crosty
street,
but
if
you
live,
you
know
down
on
the
south
shore
someplace
and
you
have
a
boat
in
your
front
yard.
E
Well,
you
match
everybody
else,
so
we've
got
to
find
a
way
that
it's
flexible
enough,
that
we
have
a
certain
amount
of
of
what
fits
that
particular
neighborhood.
What
fits
that
area,
and
I
think
what
we're
running
into
is-
is
that
we're
getting
as
the
as
the
county
continues
to
get
more
and
more
built
out.
I
mean
one
of
the
sets
of
pictures
that
that
came
about
you
know.
E
I
think
our
your
guys
need
to
have
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
about
what
fits
in
that
particular
neighborhood,
and
I
think
that,
from
the
the
evidence
that
we
heard
today,
it's
we're
we're
leaning
too
far
to
too
much
code
enforcement.
I
also
absolutely
believe
that
the
letters
that
we're
sending
out
need
revision
they're.
E
They
talk
about
fees,
fines
and
condemnation
in
30
days
from
thank
you
from
from
the
first
initiation
of
of
things,
and
that
that
I
think
we're
hitting
them
with
a
club
when
we,
when
we
need
to
point
out
that
what
the
violation
is.
Let's
get
this
cleaned
up,
we'll
come
back
out
in
30
days
to
do
a
reinspection
or
contact
us,
because
we
do.
We
also
have
to
have
timelines
in
it.
We're
all
I
mean
a
big
percentage
of
the
of
the
world
is
procrastinators.
E
If,
if
you
get
something
that
just
let's
get
to
it,
sometime
well
sometimes
turns
into
six
months,
and
that's
not
fair
to
surrounding
property
owners
that
that
are
looking
for
something
to
happen
either.
So
I
I
think
that
I
don't
think
that
that
I'm
ready
to
say
absolutely
no
code
enforcement
anywhere
agricultural
areas
yeah,
I
think,
we've
gone
too
far.
The
barn
is
a
classic
example.
E
There's
nothing
wrong
with
that
barn.
I
mean
they're
they're,
all
over
saint
charles
county.
We
have
you
know
we
we've
in
some
areas.
We
don't
let
people
tear
them
down,
houses
that
are
in
worse
shape
than
that,
because
we
deem
them
to
be
historically
significant.
So
we
we
just
got
to
find
and-
and
I
hate
to
use
this
term
but
common
sense
kind
of
you
know,
let's,
let's
and
that's
a
bad
term
to
use.
E
I
just
can't
think
of
a
better
one
right
now,
but
something
that
just
says:
okay,
what's
appropriate
for
that
particular
area,
and
it's
going
to
be
difficult
because
the
county
is
changing.
So
I
I
think
that
we
have
a
lot
of
work
that
we
need
to
do
on
the
letters
that
we
send
out.
If
I
was
a
recipient
of
some
of
those,
I
wouldn't
know
what
to
do
either
and
I've
been
around
this
for
20
years.
I
I
agree
with,
I
agree
with
the
with
you
joe.
I
think
we
need
to
address
this.
I
have
some
ideas
that
I'd
like
to
put
in
writing
and
let
you
all
take
a
look
at
it.
As
far
as
some
of
these
things
we
talked
about
today,
I
think
I
think
we
can
to
make
some
ordinance
changes
that
I
think
make
more
sense
and
I'd
like
to
at
least
put
something
together.
A
I
guess
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
post
a
meeting
that
we'll
have
it
with
wayne
and
art
and
whoever
and
try
to
come
up
with
some
ideas,
and
maybe
we
can
interject
ideas
first
and
get
together
and
whoever
wants
to
participate
and
participate
and
we'll
just
try
to
figure
something
out.
But
what
I
would
like
to
know
is:
do
we
have
a
consensus
at
this
point
that
we're
going
to
hold
off
on
agricultural
violations?
A
L
L
The
other,
so
I
think
non-safety
we
could
say
non-safety
and
I'm
okay
with
that
part,
but
if
it's
a
safety
issue
we
still
have
to
have
some
enforcement
ability.
The
other
thing
I'm
reading
in
here
you
know
what
one
man
calls
tall
weeds.
Another
man
calls
habitat.
Okay,
I
mean
I
don't
mow
my
front
yard.
I
live
in
the
country,
I
have
a
woods.
I've
got
turkey
and
deer.
In
my
I
like
it.
That
way,
so
I
mean
I,
you
know
this
whole
thing.
This
county
is
very
diverse.
L
E
E
P
As
you
know,
I
mean
it's
your
guy's
job
to
pass
the
ordinance
and
ours
to
enforce
it.
So
how
about
this?
How
about?
If
you,
let
us
know
when
what
dates
work
for
you
all
to
meet
in
the
meantime,
we
will
not
proceed
with
prosecution.
Anything
I'll
ask
the
department
of
the
division
to
review
anything
in
the
agricultural
area
and
and
if
there's
something
we
feel
we
have
to
proceed
on,
we
will
go
to
the
exec.
If
he
agrees,
then
we'll
come
to
the
councilman
for
that
area
and
let
him
know
what
we're
doing:
okay.