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November 09, 2015 - St Charles County, Missouri - Council Meeting
A
B
B
C
Our
gracious
heavenly
father
we're
so
grateful
for
the
favor
that
you've
bestowed
upon
our
county
lord.
This
is
where
we
live.
This
is
where
we
work.
This
is
where
we
love-
and
we
pray
lord
that
tonight,
as
we
endeavor
to
do
your
business
on
this
earth
as
a
governmental
agency.
We
pray
lord,
that
you
would
just
bless
every
council,
member,
the
executive
and
all
the
people
who
are
working
here.
C
We
pray
lord,
you
bless
them
our
families
and
god
that
you
would
shine
favor
down
upon
this
county,
even
more
so
lord,
as
we
endeavor
to
do
your
work
on
this
earth
in
this
governmental
structure.
We
thank
you
for
this
evening
and
we
bless
all
that
happens
here
tonight.
According
to
your
goodwill,
in
jesus
name,
amen,.
B
B
B
E
E
I
went
to
the
opening
on
saturday
in
wenzel
and
I
haven't
read
it
all,
but
I've
read
a
few
excerpts
and
looked
at
the
pictures
and
it's
well
worth
a
great
holiday
present
in
this
great
history
of
st
charles
county,
and
I
would
encourage
everybody
in
the
county
to
get
a
copy.
I
think
they
ordered
500
copies
so
kudos
to
the
county
executive
and
the
police
chief
and
his
committee
in
putting
that
together.
E
I
listened
to
the
budget
hearings,
the
first
budget
hearing
and
we're
talking
about
adding
a
groundskeeper
supervisor.
Well,
you
know
what
we
have
lots
of
inmates,
non-violent
offenders
that
are
cooped
up
inside
our
corrections
facility.
Why
don't?
We
have
a
program
that
we
initiate
to
use
inmate
services
to
mow
our
grass
rake.
The
leaves
trim
the
trees
plant,
the
flowers
that
would
save
taxpayer
money
and
be
a
good
thing
on
both
sides
for
non-violent
offenders.
E
We
have
some
disrespect
on
this
county
property
in
reference
to
some
monuments.
There's
weeds
around
this
property,
there's
grass
growing
up
between
the
sidewalk
there's
some
things
that
are
just
in
disrepair
and
so
far
monuments
in
my
opinion,
are
disrespect
to
who
they're
supposed
to
honor.
I
heard
that
mr
elam
said,
or
mr
klinghamer
said,
that
we
contract
some
of
the
services,
but
we
have
some
people
in
facilities
management.
Well,
you
know
the
supervision
isn't
so
hot.
E
In
my
opinion,
if
you
take
a
stroll
during
lunch
and
walk
around
the
property
right
here
at
this
executive
office
building-
and
that
leads
me
to
the
second
question-
is
how
many
public
information
officers
do?
We
really
need
to
the
tune
of
anywhere
from
sixty
thousand
to
ninety
thousand
dollars?
We
have
a
full-time
health,
public
information
officer,
a
full-time
county
executive,
public
information
officer,
a
full-time
police,
public
information
officer.
Somebody
in
emergency
management
that
deals
with
public
information,
others
speak
other
spokes
people
throughout
the
county.
E
We
have
a
full-time
director
of
media
operations
that
runs
our
tv
station.
How
many
public
information
officers
do
we
need,
doesn't
make
any
sense,
and
what
do
they
do?
I
think
somebody
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
in
the
number
of
facebook
posts.
You
know
I
I
think
we
could
trim
that
in
the
2016
budget
leading
into
on
your
agenda.
The
county
director
of
elections
is
asking
for
200,
I'm
sorry
150
additional
ipads,
I'm
all
for
that,
because
we
have
a
presidential
election
coming
up
both
march
is
the
primary
and
then
next
november.
F
E
E
So
the
shipping
costs
I
didn't
read
were
that's
figured
in
into
the
bid.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
into
the
bid
delivery
costs,
but
is
there
some
way
that
we
can
reach
out
to
places
like
mastercard
and
some
of
the
places
are
getting
tax
abatement
to
donate
those
150
machines,
free
of
cost
to
taxpayers?
Thank
you.
G
G
The
major
concern
that
the
people
on
hepperman
road
have
is
the
excessive
speed
that
is
currently
on
hepperman
road
with
the
bad
shoulder.
Well,
the
ditches
on
side
of
the
road
and
stuff.
So
our
concern
is
if
we
straighten
that
road,
how
much?
How
much
more
speed
are
we
going
to
have
and
they're
saying?
Well
we're
doing
it
because
the
number
of
accidents
I
looked
at
the
accident
reports
41
accidents
in
six
years,
the
majority
of
the
accidents
happen
on
the
south
side
of
peppermint.
G
For
some
reason
they
decided
that
they
want
to
do
this
project
from
south
service
road,
all
the
way
to
golf
club
of
windsville
after
golf
club
of
winsville
for
some
reason
from
there
to
highway
end
that
part
of
the
road
isn't
important
anymore.
They
went
35
foot
of
my
yard,
my
neighbor's
yard,
the
next
person's
yard,
and
it's
like
they
want
to
make
this
road
35
foot
wide.
This
is
a
country
road,
highway,
inn
and
the
service
road
are
both
22
to
23
foot
wide.
G
But
my
little
country,
road,
that
comes
off
of
those
two
main
arteries,
is
going
to
be
35
foot
wide
with
storm
sewers
and
curbs
they
wanted
to
do
sidewalks.
They
wanted
to
make
my
side
of
peppermint
road,
which
is
just
houses
three
lanes
wide
and
they
said
because
of
rear
end
accidents,
there's
been
one
rear,
end
accident
in
six
years
and
it
was
at
the
service
road.
So
the
whole
idea
of
spending
four
million
dollars
on
hepperman
road
is
beyond
me.
There's
three
major
curves
on
hepperman
road.
The
curbs
are
not
being
addressed.
G
The
curbs
are
going
to
they're
just
going
to
take
a
little
bit
they're,
calling
it
smoothing
the
curbs,
they're
15
mile
an
hour
curbs
if
you
all
want
to
do
anything
to
heiperman
road.
Why
don't
you
guys
put
culverts
in
cover
them
and
grass
them
and
give
those
people
that
slide
off
the
road
somewhere
to
slide?
Besides
tearing
the
bottom
of
their
cars
up,
I
have
a
whole
bunch
of
documentation.
G
I've
talked
to
multiple
people.
I
have
the
speeding
tickets
that
have
been
issued
on
highway
z,
the
speeding
tickets
on
one
half
mile
of
heppermann
road.
The
speeding
tickets
on
highway
z
is
over
three
times
the
amount
of
speeding
tickets,
that
is
in
one
little
half
mile
of
hepperman
road.
We
cannot
get
a
county
police
officer
to
set
up
radar
on
hepperman
road.
G
When
I
talk
to
and
when
my
neighbors
have
talked
to
the
police,
they
say
windsville
police
say
we
can't
monitor
hepperman,
because
it's
counting
when
I
talk
to
the
highway
department
and
say
hey,
why
don't
you
all
look
at
the
speediness
instead
of
spending
four
million
dollars
to
fix
a
road?
Why
don't
you
guys
look
at
the
real
problem
with
the
road
and
it's
excessive
speed,
and
if
we
could
get
cops
out
there,
you
guys
wouldn't
have
to
spend
four
million
dollars
fixing
a
road.
Thank
you.
H
Hello,
my
name
is
christine
camato.
I
live
in
defiance
missouri
and
I'm
here
representing
the
defiance
merchants
association
regarding
bill
number
4286
that
will
be
discussed
later
this
this
evening.
The
defiance
merchants
association,
which
consists
of
approximately
30
members,
is
very
much
in
favor
of
this
proposal,
as
we
feel
that
it
will
have
a
great
economic
impact
on
our
community
in
our
businesses,
and
we
hope
you
will
give
it
your
consideration.
Thank
you.
B
I
K
County
council
members,
thanks
for
inviting
me
tonight,
I'm
dale
chambers,
with
stars
member
of
east
west
gateway
council
of
governments.
The
hazard
mitigation
plan
for
the
st
louis
metropolitan
region
is
updated
every
five
years
to
comply
with
federal
rules.
The
plan
covers
missouri
counties
and
135
county
municipalities
and
50
school
districts
which
are
located
inside
those
counties.
The
2015
plan
describes
the
process
used
in
developing
this
new
plan
provides
an
updated
overview
for
the
region,
including
conditions,
capacity
and
risks
of
natural
disasters,
and
includes
the
action
plan
for
the
jurisdictions
within
those
regions.
K
Many
of
you
have
probably
read
that
plan
and
I
know
it
is
up
for
adoption
this
evening
from
the
2011
fema
local
mitigation
review
guide.
The
purpose
of
hazard
mitigation
is
to
reduce
potential
losses
from
future
disasters.
The
intent
of
mitigation
planning,
therefore,
is
to
maintain
a
process
that
leads
to
hazard
mitigation
actions.
Mitigation
plans,
identify
the
natural
hazards
that
impact
communities
identify
actions
to
reduce
losses
from
those
hazards
and
establish
a
coordinated
process
to
implement
those
plans.
K
This
is
the
five-year
plan.
It's
an
all-hazard
mitigation
plan
directed
by
fema
that
we
have
to
do
an
east
west
gateway
has
been
the
provider
of
that
plan
for
the
for
each
of
its
revisions,
2004
2009
and
again,
for
this
current
plan
with
that
east
west
gateway
has
worked
with
the
county.
Emergency
management
offices
in
each
of
those
counties,
and
the
city
of
st
louis
coordination
is
essential
to
providing
that
information.
K
That's
necessary
to
put
into
that
plan
in
that
they've
hosted
community
events
for
public
input
and
saint
charles
county
hosted
that
here
until
october,
6th
of
2014
as
you've
probably
seen
it's
a
pretty
extensive
plan.
Luckily,
it's
shorter
than
it
was
in
years
past
chapters,
one
and
three
are
mostly
historical
data
and
background
and
chapter
four
contains
the
real
action
components
of
that
of
that
plan.
K
Really
it
breaks
down
to
three
steps:
preparing
the
communities
in
advance
of
a
natural
disaster
to
prevent
loss
of
life
and
minimize
injury
and
illness
preserve
and
maintain
property,
including
public
and
private
infrastructure,
businesses
and
individual
homes,
and
improve
community
vitality
and
step
three
encourage
regional
county
and
local
planning
and
development.
That
is
consistent
with
the
hazard
mitigation
plan
and
reduces
future
risk
from
natural
disaster,
because
there
are
many
general
actions
that
support
those
community
preparation.
K
You've
seen
each
of
those
action
steps
inside
that
plan
and
as
you
can
see,
there
are
many
steps
ranging
from
extreme
weather,
earthquakes
and
tornadoes
and
in
each
of
those
steps
you
know
the
mitigation
plan.
Is
there
outlines
a
few
extra
steps
in
there?
The
communities
of
st
charles
county
already
participate
in
several
of
those
steps
and
serve
an
example
to
others
in
the
region,
and
so
I'm
up
for
any
questions.
If
you
have
any
questions
for.
L
I
I
actually
took
a
little
time
and
went
on
your
site
and
looked
through
this
and
and
be
frank
with
you.
It
had
a
lot
of
information
about
soil
types
in
the
county
and
demographics
and
everything
else,
but
it
didn't
show
me
what
I
was
looking
for
to
be
real
honest
with
you,
you,
you
guys
call
it
a
hazard
mitigation
plan
and
it
primarily
deals
with
eight
natural
hazards.
L
That's
okay,
the
county's
calling
an
all-hazard
mitigation
plan,
and
I
you
know
and
in
real
reality
it
should
be
probably
called
a
natural
hazard
plan
because
it
deals
with
naturally
current
occurring
disaster
planning.
But
what
I
was
looking
for,
specifically,
is
what
happens
if
that
oil
train
full
of
tanker
cars
derails
two
miles
from
my
house?
L
Okay
or
what
happens
if
we
get
a
plume
of
something
toxic
coming
out
of
west
lake
landfill,
okay
and
my
question
to
you
would
be
I
I
scanned
the
300
pages
of
this
document
and
it
looked
to
me
like
a
lot
of
public
information
like
you
would
see
in
the
front
of
a
master
plan
book,
or
maybe
a
municipal
bond
offering
about
the
about
the
demographics
of
the
area.
But
I
didn't
see
anything
in
terms
of
disasters
planning
for
things
that
were
other
than
you
know,
god
willing,
our
natural
disasters
from
storms,
earthquakes,
etc.
L
I
think
most
people
in
this
county,
if
you've
lived
here
a
long
time,
are
a
little
bit
used
to
flooding.
You
know
how
to
deal
with
heat
emergencies
in
the
summertime.
You
probably
can
deal
with
the
ice
storms
in
the
winter
time,
but
what
we
don't
know
what
hap
to
do
is
when
that
tanker
train,
derails,
okay
or
we
continue
to
get
bad
information
about
worse
and
worse,
information
about
potential
from
west
side
quarry.
M
J
J
You
know
just
anybody
who
isn't
going
to
be
able
to
respond
on
their
own
or
without
assistance.
So
that's
really
what
a
lot
of
the
focus
of
this
is,
and
I
sort
of
jumped
on
your.
I
took
on
your
your
your
response
sale,
but
with
that
kind
of
an
overview
tone
where
I'm
wrong
and
what
you'd
add
to
that.
No
ma'am.
K
I
I
would
always
defer
to
a
response
like
that,
so
no,
I
would
really
the
all
of
that
is
dead
on.
So
your
local
emergency
operations
plan,
which
it
sounds
as
though
you've
recently
adopted
or
or
have
been
working
on,
addresses
those
specific
hazards.
From
this
mitigation
standpoint,
it
is
a
natural
hazard
mitigation
plan.
L
K
B
L
J
K
I
will,
I
will
add
one
small
component
to
those
those
pieces
on
a
regional
scale.
Stars
is
participating
in
those
planning
activities
or
helping
to
facilitate
those
planning
activities
and
are
addressing
those
hazards
in
different
ways
and
not
this
plan,
but
in
other
plans
and
in
other
trainings
and
exercises.
Also.
I
would
like
to
add
that
the
hazard
mitigation
plan
that
east
west
gateway
has
established
for
that
has
been
accepted
by
fema
that
you
on
the
resolution
this
evening
is
primarily
directed
for
mitigation
post
disaster
recovery
type
of
of
grants.
L
Can
I
ask-
and
this
would
be
something
that
maybe
the
the
chief
can
tell
us
too-
you
know
we
have
a-
we
have
a
regional
swat
team
and
swat
stands
for.
You
know
special
weapons
and
tactics
and
when
you
go
to
that
training
facility,
it's
very
impressive
and
they
bring
the
best
talent
from
all
over
the
county
from
a
lot
of
departments
to
work
on
it.
I'm
thinking
that
you
know
is
there
anything
like
that.
I
talked
to
a
lot
of
firemen
about
that.
I
said:
do
you
guys?
L
L
F
Where
mommy
has
a
hazmat
unit
and
it's
comprised
and
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
the
fire
service,
because
that's
not
what
I
do,
but
they
can
probably
they
try
out
for
their
haz
menu
as
we
would
for
our
special
teams
and
stuff
and
they
receive
extensive
training.
A
lot
of
the
training
is
funded
through
staff
because
it's
expensive
training
and
it's
not
held
locally.
So
I
gotta
hate
saying
this,
but
their
their
hazmat
unit
would
be
equivalent
to
law
enforcement
swat
team
and
they
prefer
they
monitor
what
goes
through
this
county.
F
They
monitor
the
pipelines
that
go
under.
I
can
speak
of
one
numerous
years
ago
when
we
had
a
gas
leak,
they
were
up
there.
They
were
on
it.
We
were
responsible
for
taking
care
of
the
people,
doing
evacuations,
as
ms
liking
said,
an
assistant
with
ems,
and
they
did
their
thing
and
they
they
took
the
lead
and,
depending
on
the
situation,
what
the
event
is
who's
over.
F
The
best
caretaker
is
the
esf
we
spoke
to
you,
gentlemen,
we're
doing
the
plan
that
that
individual
section
steps
forward
takes
the
lead,
and
everybody
else
supports
him,
so
that
you're
exactly
correct.
They
have
the
hazmat
team
and
that's
the
heavily
funded,
as
is
on
the
singles
county
side.
They
train
together
especially
been
dealing
with
the
westlake
they're
training.
They're
talking
we're
always
preparing
for
these
things.
Things
like
that
they
step
up.
They
take
the
lead
for
those
type
of
items
we
go
to
the
support
position.
Did
I
answer
your
question,
sir
yeah.
F
F
I
don't
know
which
agency-
actually
it
might
be
saint
charles
city,
but
I
don't
know
for
sure,
fired
well.
He
was
fire
chief
daley.
He
was
the
head
of
the
hazmat
unit.
I
think
she's
chief
wiley,
now
chief
wiley,
now
from
countyville,
would
now
be
the
hazmat
director.
They
attorney
also
coordinate
work
with
the
health
department.
I
mean
we're
all
partners
in
this,
and
we've
received
funding
and
training
funded
through
stars
for
all
these
different
components
to
work
together
in
practice,
as
dale
mentioned,
I
mean
we're
constantly
doing
exercises.
F
I
N
O
Okay,
good
evening
councilman,
I
know
during
the
work
session
you
discussed
a
little
bit
about
the
proposed
changes
in
the
budget
next
year.
In
regards
to
the
department
of
communication
tonight,
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
an
overview
about
how
far
we've
come
over
the
past
few
years
in
regards
to
communications
in
the
county,
specifically
covering
branding
social
media
printing
web
and
what
we
are
planning
next
and
what
we
would
like
to
do
going
forward.
N
P
B
B
D
Whereas
federal
statute
requires
that
all
that
the
all
hazard
mitigation
plan
be
updated
and
re-adopted
every
five
years
and
whereas
in
missouri,
the
state
emergency
management
agency,
sema
has
funded
east
west
gateway.
Council
of
governments
to
prepare
an
update
to
the
regional
plan
last
completed
in
2009-2010
on
behalf
of
franklin,
jefferson,
st
charles
and
st
louis
counties
and
the
city
of
st
louis
and
135
participating
municipalities
in
50
school
districts
and
whereas
planning
partners
include
stars.
D
County
emergency
managers,
municipal
league
representatives,
st
louis
area,
regional
coalition
of
community
organizations
active
in
disaster,
a
slarcc
and
education
plus,
and
whereas
the
plan
was
prepared
in
accordance
with
guidelines
established
by
the
federal
emergency
management
agency,
fema
and
sema.
And
these
agencies
have
authority
for
the
final
review
and
approval
of
the
plan.
And
whereas
east
west
gateway
council
of
governments
submitted.
The
final
plan
on
june.
D
And
whereas
the
all
hazard
mitigation
plan
will
also
help
to
improve
the
operational
effectiveness
of
local
governments
and
school
districts
following
any
natural
disaster.
By
providing
recommendations
for
advance
preparation.
And
whereas
st
charles
county
recognizes
the
threat
that
natural
hazards
pose
to
people
and
property
within
saint
charles
county.
And
whereas
st
charles
county
has
participated
in
the
preparation
of
a
multi-hazard
mitigation
plan.
Hereby
known
as
the
st
louis
regional
all-hazard
mitigation
plan.
2015-2020
hereafter
referred
to
as
the
plan
in
accordance
with
the
disaster
mitigation
act
of
2000.
D
B
B
B
P
D
M
Goes
back
to
when
we
we
approved
that
guy's,
barn
and
wayne
helped
us
recognize
that
we
didn't
have
growing
structures
allowances
for
anything
over.
I
believe
it
was
three
acres
to
ten
acres.
Isn't
that
true,
and
so
we
had
that
for
commercial,
but
not
for
residential
or
agricultural,
I'm
sorry
for
agricultural.
So
this
we
had
agreed
that
we
were
going
to
do
this
when
we
approved
that
guy's
barn-
and
this
is
just
following
up
on
what
we
talked
about
then.
Okay,.
D
Number
4285
requested
by
wayne
anthony
sponsored
by
jill
brazel,
an
ordinance
amending
the
zoning
district
map
of
the
county
of
saint
charles
missouri
by
rezoning
land
from
a
agricultural
district,
five-acre
minimum
lot
size
to
rr
single
family
residential
district.
Three
acre
minimum
lot
size
as
per
application.
Rz15-00013.
D
Bill
number
4286
requested
by
wayne
anthony
sponsored
by
john
white,
an
ordinance
amending
the
zoning
district
map
of
the
county
of
st
charles
missouri
by
rezoning
land
from
aff
agricultural
district,
five
acre
minimum
lot
size
with
floodway
fringe
overlay
district
to
prff
park.
Recreational
district,
three
acre
minimum
lot
size
with
floodway
fringe
overlay
district
as
per
application.
Rz15-0014.
B
L
P
P
L
P
R
J
And
councilman
the
the
work's
largely
done
it's
just
that
in
this
particular
instance,
this
project
isn't
complete
until
the
deed.
That's
in
escrow
moves
to
full
transfer
to
their
final
residing
party,
and
so
that
can't
be
done
until
the
the
post
office
is
fully
built
and
transferred
to
the
to
the
post
office
and
they've
moved
in
so,
but
the
road
work
actually
that
we're
paying
for
is
largely
done.
D
Bill
number
4288
requested
by
hope,
woodson
sponsored
by
joe
brazel,
an
ordinance
authorized
in
the
county
executive
to
execute
a
program
services
contract
with
the
missouri
department
of
health
and
senior
services
for
services
and
receipt
of
funds
in
the
amount
of
nine
thousand
fifty
dollars
for
the
period
of
september.
First,
two
thousand
fifteen
through
august
thirty.
First,
two
thousand
sixteen.
B
Any
questions
or
comments
on
42.89,
I
got
a
question
on
this
here
joanne.
This
is
pretty
involved
and
pretty
complicated.
I
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
this,
but
as
far
as
when
you're
doing
this
design
build,
you
say:
you've
got
certain
terms
in
here
like
picking
qualified
contractors
and
are
we
do.
We
have
definitions
for
that,
or
is
that
who
who
determines
if
somebody
is
qualified
not
qualified
on
a
project.
J
B
B
The
only
thing
that
concerns
me-
and
I
think
we
talked
about
this-
is
on
design
build
a
lot
of
times.
You
get
the
qual,
the
quality
project
gets
reduced,
it
gets
it
becomes
price
versus
performance,
and
that's
the
only
thing
I
don't
know
what
we
have
written
in
here.
That's
going
to
pertain
to
that.
But
if
an
architect
are
these
going
to
be
drawn
by
architect,
is
there
still
going
to
be
a
concept
of
design
or
does
the
actual
general
contractor
have
that
bring
in
the
concept.
J
J
J
But
what
you
lay
out
in
a
road
project
may
be
different
than
what
you
do
in
a
very
large
building
project,
for
instance
the
emergency
management
I
mean
there
may
be
something
about
elevations
or
whether
we
want
one
story
or
two,
but
a
lot
of
that's
going
to
go
to
the
the
requirements
for
the
data
runs
that
are
going
to
come
into
the
building
the
electrical
that
you'll
have
to
run
the
generation.
The
generator
levels
that'll
have
to
run
that
building.
If
there's
power,
outages
space
requirements
for
x
number
of
consoles
in
the
dispatch
area.
B
G
B
Flowing
can
be
anywhere
from
two
dollars:
a
square
foot
to
thirteen
dollars,
a
square
foot.
So
how
do
you
know
like
when
and
if
somebody's
a
low
better,
without
going
through
every
little
specific
detail?
How
do
you
know
what
kind
of
quality
you're
getting
to
maintain
long-term
sustainability
with
the
buildings
rather
than
like?
B
Even
in
the
roofing,
you
can
go
with
a
rubber,
epdm
or
tpo,
or
you
go
with
a
four-ply
built
up
roof
where
you're
going
to
be
at
ten
dollars
a
square
foot
versus
twenty
dollars,
a
square
foot,
those
kind
of
things
win
bids.
So
how
do
you
know
that
when
you're
going
to
a
a
performance
contract
like
this
you're,
basically
bidding
on
price
and
not
performance?
And
that's
what
does
kind
of
concern
me
a
little
bit?
I'm
just
it's
worth
the
conversation
so
and.
J
J
It
puts
the
departments
more
to
the
forefront
to
describe
what
it
is
functionally
that
they're
really
telling
us
that
they
have
to
have
and
to
justify
that,
rather
than
to
just
go
to
an
architect,
do
a
general
design
and
then
once
the
the
construction
documents
come
out,
you
know
the
departments
are
saying.
Well
that
isn't
really
what
I
needed.
I
need
a
smaller
space
here
and
a
bigger
one
here
or
we.
You
know
we
need
a
25-year
raised
floor
or
something
so
the.
J
What
we
really
see
is
is
that
it'll
put
a
lot
more
emphasis
on
us
to
be
involved
in
the
upfront
planning
and
the
the
design
phase,
with
whoever
wins
the
is
working
towards
winning
the
bid
and
then
hopefully,
we're
in
a
lot
better
educated
spot.
By
the
time
we
award,
not
just
mr
price,
but
as
to
what
it
is
that
we're
actually
building.
B
One
second
joe:
how
do
you
avoid
I
understand
when
an
architect
and
an
engineer
team
to
design
a
building
that
a
lot
of
things
can
be
missed,
depends
on
how
how
good
the
team
is,
but
and
that's
where
you
get
zapped
with
a
ton
of
extras,
because
the
a
good
general
contractor
will
know
what's
missing
and
not
put
it
in
the
bid
and
then
when
he,
when
he's
doing
the
job,
he'll
say
well,
this
was
miss.
You
really
need
this,
and
this
is
an
extra
whatever.
B
Q
Q
B
The
design
build
process
is,
in
fact,
to
try
to
eliminate
change
orders,
isn't
that
right,
joanne
I
mean
and
to
eliminate
problems.
So
I
would
just
like
to
know
what
that
we
don't
have
to
discuss
it
right
now,
because
this
is
a
great
detailed
conversation,
but
I
think
the
parameters
need
to
kind
of
be
we,
I
think
they
need
to
be
discussed.
It
can't
be
an
arbitrary
decision
made
by
the
facilities
or
construction
department
or
whomever
no.
J
And
it
has
to
be
at
least
two.
We
can't
go
forward
unless
we
have
two
competitors
at
a
minimum
maximum
of
five
that
we'd
pre-qualify
and
we
go
forward
trying
to
get
the
best
build
and
that's
months
of
consultation
between
the
the
county
and
those
pre-qualified
entities.
At
that
point,
as
well.
As
you
know,.
B
J
B
B
B
F
Q
L
L
And
the
thing
that
I
like
about
this
when
we
toured
st
louis
county's
emergency
center,
we
talked
to
those
folks
and
they
had
no
closet
space.
They
had
all
kinds
of
design
issues
that
they
the
building.
Despite
22
million
dollars
of
brand
new
structure,
it
didn't
meet
the
needs.
This
thing's
got
an
evaluation
team
where
you
can
have
people
from
the
county
that
actually
use
the
facility
come
in
and
chime
in
on
the
design
and
the
building
of
this
building.
I
think
that's
huge,
but
I
would
caution
you
that
that
also
design
build.
L
I
ran
into
something
that
this
last
couple
of
weeks
that
I
think
that
design
build
kind
of
hurt.
In
one
effort
I
was
doing
a
private
bid
to
try
to
save
the
old
40-61
bridge
to
turn
into
tourist
attraction,
there's
parks
on
either
side
of
it
in
st
louis
county
and
saint
charles
county,
and
I
thought
it's
a
shame,
because
a
lot
of
cities
like
austin,
texas
and
nashville
take
those
old
bridges
and
make
them
into
nice
tourist
attractions.
L
But
one
of
the
hurdles
I
found
out
about
was
that
project
was
a
design
build
project
and
the
design
build
was
the
construction
of
the
new
bridge,
the
just
deconstruction
or
the
remodeling
of
the
old
bridge
and
the
deconstruction
of
the
real
old
bridge?
Okay,
so
there
before
that
was
just
a
hurdle
that
couldn't
be
passed.
So,
if
you're
going
to
use
this
design
build
process,
it's
pretty
important
that
you
just
know
exactly
what
you
want.
What
you're
asking
for,
because
it
creates
a
problem
changing
down
the
road
from
so.
L
John
was
quick
on
the
on
the
pull
items
from
the
consent
agent,
and
I
didn't
want
to
bother
bob
on
his
vacation,
but
we've
got
a
problem
with
not
getting
enough
bidders
for
some
of
these
projects.
From
some
of
the
stuff
that
we're
bidding,
I
mean
we
bid
out
body
work
for
the
county
and
there's
dozens
of
body
shops
and
we
got
two
bids.
L
I
know
the
health
department
needs
a
new
forklift,
but
we
had
to
go
to
florida
to
buy
a
forklift
when
you
can
buy
any
brand
of
forklift.
You
want
in
st
louis
area,
okay,
because
we
only
got
one
bid
or
two
bids
actually
and
one
of
the
the
bed
shows
from
florida.
So
I
don't
know
what
to
change.
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
and
I
don't
know
what
to
do,
but
we
somehow
we've
got
to
get
more
local
businesses
or
regional
businesses
bidding
on
purchases
for
the
county.
R
This
is
a
subject
matter
that
comes
up
fairly
regularly
with
this
council.
I
would
just
suggest
to
you
that
there's
a
lot
of
businesses
out
there
that
just
don't
want
to
mess
with
government
it's
too
much
of
a
hassle
which
costs
you
money,
you
as
you
well
know.
Joe
time
is
money
in
the
private
sector
and
a
lot
of
people
just
don't
want
to
mess
with
the
bonding
joe's
familiar
with
that
situation.
R
It's
in
a
good
economy,
you're
going
to
have
good
companies
that
are
not
going
to
want
to
participate
in
government
projects.
If
things
are
bad
in
2008
2009
we
had
engineering
firms
that
never
normally
did
work
for
the
county
that
put
in
proposals
it's
the
same
way
with
construction
outfits.
There's
good
reasons.
Why
good
legitimate
reasons
why
some
of
these
people
don't
participate.