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Watch the St. Charles County Planning & Zoning Commission meeting from Oct. 21, 2020.
A
A
A
A
A
An
application
for
conditional
use,
permit
requests
will
be
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
and
the
commission
will
vote
on
this
application
and
make
a
recommendation
to
the
county
council.
The
application
will
then
be
scheduled
to
be
introduced
before
the
county
council
at
the
monday
november.
The
9th
2020
county
council
meeting
public
comment
for
conditional
use.
Permit
requests
will
be
taken
during
tonight's
meeting
and
at
the
council
meeting
on
monday
november.
The
9th
2020
public
comment
on
conditional
use
permit
applications
will
not
be
taken
at
any
meeting
of
the
county
council
held
thereafter.
A
The
following
documents
are
introduced
as
a
matter
of
record
for
this
evening's
public
hearing
and
regular
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
Those
documents
are
the
unified
development
ordinance
of
saint
charles
county,
including
zoning
maps
and
the
year
2030
master
plan
for
saint
charles
county,
which
includes
the
year
2030
future
land
use
plan
map.
A
A
A
A
Commissioners
may
have
questions
for
the
staff,
then
we'll
have
the
applicant
come
forward
to
present
their
application
and
answer
any
questions
that
the
commission
may
have.
Then
we
will
open
the
public
hearing
portion
of
the
application.
Anyone
present
wishing
to
speak
regarding
the
application
can
come
forward
and
speak.
A
Then
we
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
then,
if
necessary,
have
the
applicant
to
come
back
to
address
any
any
concerns.
If
you
are
going
to
speak,
we
ask
that
you
fill
out
one
of
these
cards
so
that
we
get
your
name
and
address
correct
in
our
minutes
for
our
record
and
they're
right
here
on
the
table.
A
So
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
conditional
use
permit
request.
The
location
is
35,
lillian
drive,
43
david
drive
and
54
lillian
drive
application
number
cup
20-10,
the
applicant
is
harvester
residential
care.
Property
owner
is
randall,
j,
gettman
and
jennifer
gettman
trust
property.
Zoning
is
r1e
single-family
residential
district.
A
B
B
There
was
a
conditional
use
permit
approved
some
years
ago
cup
670
that
was
approved
with
two
conditions
in
2006
and
a
copy
of
that
ordinance
is
in
your
packet
and
there
are
two
conditions
for
that
approval,
but
there
was
no
concept
plan
at
that
time.
The
rules
were
different,
and
so
today,
when
a
conditional
use
permit
comes
before
the
planning
zoning
commission
at
county
council
there's
a
concept
plan,
that's
submitted
at
the
same
time,
so
they
have
at
this
stage,
submitted
a
concept
plan
and
with
a
copy,
that's
in
your
packet.
B
The
essence
of
the
application
is
the
nursing
home
has
been
in
use
since
the
1960s.
In
fact,
when
it
was
established,
it
was
allowed
by
wright
and
then
afterward.
The
the
unified
development
ordinance
was
changed
such
that
it
would.
Any
expansion
require
a
conditional
use
permit,
so
they
expanded
in
the
2000s.
B
They
applied
for
receive
the
conditional
use
permit
also
along
the
way
there
were
two
variances
that
were
applied
for
and
granted
one
was
to
allow
the
the
the
nursing
home
to
be
located
on
a
lot
of
less
than
five
acres,
because
if
they
were
established
today,
it
would
have
to
be
on
at
least
five
acres.
A
nursing
home
would
be,
and
the
other
variance
request
was
to
allow
the
nursing,
home
and
nursing
home
expansion
with
less
than
the
50-foot
front
yard
setback
that
was
granted
years
ago.
B
So
now
it's
only
a
minimum
of
15
foot
feet
for
the
front
yard
setback
the
application.
That's
before
you
is
for
an
addition,
that's
being
built
on
this
building.
The
addition
is
about
2500
square
feet,
if
I
remember
correctly,
they're
not
expanding
they're,
not
requesting
to
expand
the
the
campus
or
of
the
footprint
of
the
campus
they're,
not
looking
to
buy
any
houses
next
door
and
tear
them
down
and
expand
that
way.
The
expansion
would
be
away
from
the
adjacent
residences
they're
not
proposing
to
expand
parking
either.
B
In
terms
of
again
in
terms
of
land
use
impacts,
I
would
say
that
this
is
a
type
of
residential
use,
so
it's
not
fundamentally
at
odds
with
existing
single-family
residential
zoning.
Also,
the
addition
is
away
from
adjoining
residences.
Then
the
site
is
not
being
expanded,
there's
no
additional
parking
being
added
and
there's
no
exist.
There's
no
residences
that
will
be
lost
in
the
process
of
this.
B
No
conditional
use
shall
be
in
active
use
until
such
time
all
conditions
of
approval
have
been
met.
Let
me
end
with
saying
that
in
the
2000s
that
conditional
use
permit
that
was
granted,
there
was
a
condition
which
is
shown
as
number
two
here.
The
owner
must
petition
for
the
vacation
of
the
bubble
turnaround
on
lillian
drive
through
the
county
highway
department.
B
A
A
C
Well,
thank
you
for
your
time
today
we
appreciate
your
consideration
today.
My
husband
and
I
purchased
this
property
in
2007
in
its
current
state
that
it
is,
we've
done
a
lot
of
improvements
on
the
inside.
It's
about
a
10,
000
square
foot
building.
It
is
not
a
skilled
nursing
facility,
it's
like
an
assisted
living,
but
not
quite
the
same
requirements
as
an
assisted
living,
so
our
customers
are
all
seniors.
C
I
think
we
have
one
young
lady,
who
is
a
burn
victim
who
is
under
65,
but
almost
everyone
else
is
over
65
and
we're
really
just
wanting
to
make
their
quality
of
lives
better.
We're
not
ex
we're
not
trying
to.
We
are
currently
certified
for
38
residential
care
facility
two
beds
and
we
do
not
anticipate
or
we're
not
at
all,
applying
for
more
beds
or
anything
like
that.
C
We're
currently
not
using
those
38
beds,
because
we've
got
fairly
small
rooms,
so
most
of
our
residents
are
in
a
semi-private
room,
that's
about
14
by
14,
which
is
not
very
big,
and
so
we're
trying
to
eliminate
some
semi-private
rooms
and
utilize
all
38
licensed
beds
that
we
have.
I
doubt
if
we'll
even
ever,
get
to
the
38,
we'll
probably
be
closer
to
36..
C
Yes,
sir,
they
we
are
adding
all
private
rooms
in
this
edition.
They're
look
they're,
not
real
large,
but
at
least
they're
private.
They
all
have
their
own
bathrooms.
We
also
have
the
building
was
built
in
the
60s,
so
there's
some
rooms
that
don't
have
a
bathroom,
so
they're
share
a
hall
bath
and
we're
trying
to
give
them
all
their
own
bathroom
and
we
added
another
shower
room
expanded
our
laundry
room,
which
is
not
really
that
large
for
that
many
people,
and
then
we
have
a
big
day
area.
C
A
A
D
D
This
variance
was
granted
back
in
1983,
and
I
think
robert
explained
it
after
that.
What
happened
in
2016
the
whole
basis
of
the
conditional
use
is
that
it
will
not
be
detrimental
to
endanger
the
public
health
safety
and
the
general
welfare
of
not
only
the
county,
but
the
immediate
neighborhood
that
it
not
substantially
diminish
and
impair
property
values
within
the
neighborhood.
D
The
only
problem
that
I
have
here
is
the
building
is
small.
It's
a
it
takes
up
a
lot
of
the
green
space
of
the
property
and
the
court
first
question
that
I'd
like
to
bring
to
commissioners
and
staff
is
what
about
bringing
up
the
property
to
today's
standards.
The
international
building
code
from
2006
to
2020
has
changed
dramatically.
It's
changed,
I
believe
at
least
three
or
four
times
I
haven't
counted
for
sure.
D
What
about
the
additional
runoff
you're
going
to
take
up
more
green
space
and
you're
not
going
to
have
that
absorption
rate?
So
what
about
the
runoff
to
the
adjoining
neighbors
in
the
neighborhood
as
a
whole?
Now
I
don't
buy
when
they're
putting
on
a
addition
of
2
55
square
feet,
that's
going
to
probably
yield
them.
Another
10
rooms,
as
was
just
testified
by
commissioner
cleary,
and
I
don't
buy
the
fact
that
they're
not
going
to
need
any
additional
parking.
D
D
For
those
reasons
in
the
smallness
of
this
property,
I
think
it's
going
to
have
a
great
impact
on
the
adjoining
residential
property
values
and
therefore
I
would
be
not
in
favor
of
this
application
and
I'd.
Ask
that
you
deny
this
application.
It's
just
to
keep
expanding.
It
doesn't
fit
the
neighborhood.
This
is
a
residential
neighborhood.
I
understand
they
got
the
variance,
but
now
they're
taking
away
green
space.
There's
some
water
concerns
and
parking
issues.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
C
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
I'm
glad
you
asked
and
I
understand
his
concern.
We
currently
own
that
property.
We
believe
that
this
is
going
to
help
improve
the
quality
of
the
neighborhood.
First
of
all,
the
way
that
our
neighbor,
our
driveway,
is
entered.
It's
a
very
tiny
little
drive
that
the
ambulances
when
they
come,
which
we
don't
have
that
many,
but
they
do
come,
they
give
that
complete
circle
and
then
it
causes
a
lot
of
ambulances
to
have
to
go
down
lillian
and
then
a
lot
of
our
traffic,
our
current
parking.
C
You
have
to
go
down
david
and
then
down
lillian
and
that
it's
a
very
tiny,
tiny
parking
sp
there's
not
even
it's
not
really
a
great
parking
for
the
cars
that
we
have,
which
none
of
our
residents
drive
at
all.
So
there's
zero
parking
from
our
residents,
so
it's
only
staff
and
family
members,
so
that
parking
will
still
remain.
C
It's
been
adequate,
we've
never
parked
on
the
street,
none
of
none
of
our
staff.
The
only
time
we've
ever
parked
on
the
street
is
when
we've
had
a
christmas
party
when
families
would
visit.
So
the
current
parking
is
going
to
still
remain
there,
but
it
will
be
great
because
it
will
not.
They
will
not
be
using
that
cut
through
we'll
we'll
redo
the
driveway
and,
we'll
probably
add
some
curbs,
and
that
might
help
with
some
water
runoff.
C
But
we
believe
that
all
of
the
traffic
will
now
just
come
down
straight
down
skyline
into
our
current
property
and
then
they'll
be
able
to
make
that
loop
and
without
having
to
cut
through
and
it's
fairly
unsafe
to
when
they're
going
cutting
through
on
the
other
street,
sometimes
they're
going
fast
with
the
with
the
ambulances
and
fire
trucks
or
whatever.
So
we
believe
it'll
just
be
a
safer
and
really
cleaner,
more
attractive
building
and
a
more
attractive
property,
and
we
definitely
have
lots
of
landscaping
and
green
space.
A
A
C
C
A
B
B
On
you
had
a
presentation
recently
about
post-construction
stormwater
standards
and,
as
I
understand
it
at
next
at
next
week's
county
council
meeting
or
before
that
meeting,
there
will
likely
be
a
work
session
to
discuss
that
with
the
county
council,
and
so
it's
it's
possible
or
conceivable
that
in
november
december,
something
could
come
forward
to
the
county
council
on
those
in
that
regard,
but
that'll
be
up
to
the
county
council
to
decide
how
to
move
forward
with
that.
But
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
there
is
something
in
the
works.
B
I
think
I
mentioned
this
before,
but
the
county
council,
a
few
months
ago,
established,
what's
called
a
minor
subdivision
process,
and
I
just
thought
I'd.
Let
you
know
that
that's
we've
had
with
our
experience
with
that.
Now
it's
working
quite
well.
I
think
the
minor
subdivision
plats
are
a
it's
a
essentially
a
simpler
planning
process
for
simpler
subdivisions,
I'll
call
it.
These
are
subdivisions
that
are
five
plus
acres
and
they're,
often
rural
areas
where
people
have
different
ideas
about
public
improvements.
B
Maybe
there's
in
fact
there's
mostly
subdivision:
there's
no
there's
zero
public
improvements,
no
public
street,
no
storm
sewers,
etc,
etc,
and
so
in
the
minor
subdivision
process
is
totally
a
staff
process
and
we
look
for
very
basic
sorts
of
life
safety
questions.
There
aren't
any.
There
aren't
actually
even
street
standards,
there
are
private
streets
and
there
are.
The
access
is
guaranteed
to
each
lot.
But
beyond
that,
the
county
staff
doesn't
get.
B
The
state
of
missouri
is
applying
to
hud,
currently
for
a
grant
to
for
the
long
term,
recovery
of
flooding
from
2019
that
2019
flooding
flooded
about
90
000
acres
in
st
charles
county.
There
was
other
damage
in
other
counties,
but
according
to
this,
the
draft
statewide
plan
that's
been
prepared.
Saint
charles
county
would
get
approximately
15
million
dollars
in
order
to
assist
with
the
long-term
recovery.
From
that
2019
flood,
there
are
90
000
acres
that
were
flooded.
B
Our
coordinated
entry
housing
hotline
received
calls
for
assistance
from
over
600
persons
after
the
flooding
who
needed
help.
They
were
either
displaced
temporarily
or
their
risk
of
homelessness,
or
they
needed
some
sort
of
housing
assistance,
and
this
15
million
dollars
isn't
for
the
immediate
response,
obviously,
because
we're
a
year
plus
later,
but
it's
for
the
long
term
recovery,
and
so
should
the
state
be
successful
in
this
grant
and
st
charles
county
would
apply
for
and
be
the
sub
recipient
for
this
money.
B
So
that
would
be
a
voluntary
buyout
program,
but
it
also
could
allow
housing,
relocation
assistance
as
well
for
people
who
have
lost
their
home
and
are
having
difficulty
or
some
are
still
having
difficulty
finding
comparable
housing,
because
a
lot
of
housing
was
lost
was
frankly
housing
that
wasn't
necessarily
of
a
high
value
and
so
finding
a
comparable
house
has
been
challenging
for
people
within
st
charles
county
because
of
our
higher
home
prices.
Here
and
higher
rents
in
saint
charles
county.
B
There's
only
five
parcels
that
are
in
saint
charles
county
unincorporated
that
are
on
those
two
map
panels
of
those
five
parcels.
Four
of
them
don't
have
any
structures,
one
of
them
does
have
a
structure,
and
that
is
an
industrial
business
and
it's
actually
getting
better
rather
than
getting
worse
with
the
mapping,
but
fema
will
be
requiring
us
to
adopt
all
new
map
dates.
So
all
of
our
map
dates
are
going
to
go
to
2021.
B
That's
that
would
be
the
requirement.
So
if
you
hear
anyone
talking
about
new
fema
flood
maps,
that's
what
they're
talking
about.
We
will
need
to
adopt
the
new
date
for
our
maps
and
adopt
those
two
map
panels
that
are
going
to
affect
five
parcels
in
the
unincorporated
county
and
that's
really
what
it
boils
down
to.