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Description
St. Charles County Planning & Zoning Meeting - October 19, 2022
A
B
Thank
you.
Applications
for
conditional
use,
permit
request
and
rezoning
requests
will
be
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
and
the
commission
will
vote
on
these
applications
and
make
a
recommendation
to
the
County
Council.
The
applications
will
then
be
scheduled
to
be
introduced
before
the
County
council
at
their
Monday
November
14
2022.
Meeting
public
comment
for
conditional
use.
Permit
request
will
be
taken
during
tonight's
meeting
and
at
the
County
council
meeting
on
Monday
November
14
2022.
B
B
Applications
for
preliminary
class
will
also
be
heard
and
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission
during
tonight's
meeting.
The
vote
on
preliminary
Flats
is
final.
Should
the
planning
is
only
commission
denied
the
approval
of
a
preliminary
plant?
The
plant
would
then
be
forwarded
to
the
County
Council
for
a
final
determination
and
we
would
be
scheduled
to
be
heard
at
their
Monday
November
14
2022
meeting
the
following
documents
were
introduced
as
a
matter
of
record
for
this
evening's
public
hearing
and
regular
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
commission.
B
Those
documents
are
the
unified
development,
ordinance
of
Saint
Charles
County,
including
zoning
maps,
and
the
year
2030
master
plan
for
Saint
Charles
County,
which
includes
the
year
2030
future
land
use
plan
map
I
see
we
have
a
quorum.
Is
there
a
motion
to
open
a
meeting?
Is
there
a
second
second?
The
motion
been
made
and
seconded
to
open
the
meeting.
All
in
favor
Sinai
good
evening.
B
C
B
We'll
have
the
applicant
to
come
forward
to
present
their
application
and
answer
any
questions
that
the
commission
may
have.
Then
we
will
open
the
that
application
to
the
public
hearing.
Anyone
wishing
to
come
and
speak
regarding
the
application
can
come
and
and
speak.
If
you
are
going
to
speak,
we
ask
that
you
filled
out
one
of
these
cards.
Okay,
so
right
up
here
on
the
corner
of
the
table.
This
way
we
make
sure
we
get
your
name
and
your
address
correct
in
our
minutes.
Also
anyone
that
speaks
oh.
B
B
Once
we've
closed
the
public
hearing
we'll
ask
the
applicant
to
come
back
and
address
any
questions
or
concerns
that
may
have
come
up
during
the
public
hearing.
Once
we've
closed
the
public
hearing,
we
will
not
take
any
more
comments
from
anyone
in
the
audience.
Okay.
So
once
the
public
hearing
is
closed
and
it's
it's
closed,
as
I
said,
we'll
have
the
applicant
to
come
back
answer
any
questions
or
concerns.
It
may
have
come
up
during
the
public
hearing
and
then
at
that
time
the
commission
will
take
action
on
that
application.
C
B
Fine,
oh,
if
anyone
is
here
concerning
application,
RZ
22-14,
which
is
rezoning
request
for
3866
South
Point
Prairie
Road,
that
is
the
rezoning
of
of
about
80,
a
95
acres
for
into
our
RR
and
r1a
homes,
to
be
known
as
Saxony
Ridge.
Anyone
here
for
that,
that
is
being
continued
to
the
November
meeting
and.
B
B
Okay,
so
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
rezoning
request
located
at
5170
Highway
94
South,
the
application
number
is
RZ
22-15.
The
property
owner
is
Lake
Augusta
Farms
LLC.
The
current
zoning
is
a
agricultural
district
with
floodway
fringe
overlay
District.
The
requested
zoning
is
RR
single-family
residential
district
with
floodway
fringe
overlay
District,
the
2030
master
plan
recommends
agricultural
uses.
The
area
is
1.68
Acres
of
a
134.44
acre
parcel.
The
location
is
on
the
north
side
of
Hackman
Road,
approximately
2000
feet
east
of
Bluff
Lane
near
the
city
of
Augusta.
D
The
subject
parcel,
as
you
mentioned,
is
134
Acres.
It
stretches
all
the
way
from
Highway
94,
South
Clear
down
to
the
Katy
Trail,
and
so
the
train
falls
off
dramatically
from
north
to
south
towards
the
Katy
Trail
and,
of
course
he
got
more
relief
Bluffs
whatever
you
want
to
call
them.
When
you
get
close
to
the
Katy
Trail,
it's
largely
undevelopable
in
the
in
the
back.
So
although
this
the
address
of
this
parcel
is
Highway,
94
South,
the
area
that
we're
talking
about
is
really
all
the
way
on
the
south.
D
Next
to
the
Katy
Trail
and
Hackman
Road
as
I
understand
it,
and
if
the
the
applicant
correct
me,
if
I
make
correct
on
this,
but
he's
trying
to
solve
a
specific
problem
with
this
resulting
request
and
that
is
to
help
save
what
he
considers
a
historic
Farmhouse
at
that
on
Hackman
road
trying
to
create
a
three
acre
site:
Around
The
Farmhouse
for
installation
of
on-site
sewage
treatment
system.
That
needs
a
new
system,
and
you
can't
put
one
on
an
adjacent
property
you.
It
needs
to
really
be
on
its
own
property.
D
This
there's
already
are
our
single
family
residential
district
zoning
right
there,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
surround
The
Farmhouse
and
so
by
rezoning,
this
1.68
acres
to
RR
some
that
would
allow
the
owner
to
move
some
lines
around
and
create
a
three
acre
parcel
around
this
existing
Farmhouse
and
that's
the
essence
of
the
request.
It
is
essentially
across
from
I
guess:
it's
called
the
sewage
Lagoon
for
city
of
Augusta.
It's
it's
fairly.
It's
pretty
close
to
the
city
of
Augusta
City
Limits,
and
that
is
the
just
of
the
application.
F
E
Geck
54
round
Lane
St
Louis,
okay,
go
ahead,
yeah,
the
property
there's
a
house
there,
it's
5121
Hackman
Road,
and
we
we
bought
our
farm
over
a
decade
ago.
This
was
a
seven
acre
parcel
that
was
split
by
a
bluff.
Only
a
goat
could
get
up
the
bluff,
so
the
the
owner
wanted
to
sell
it
to
us
because
we
had
the
farm
that
was
up
up
on
top
the
bluff.
So
without
an
easement
to
that
parcel,
his
Lane
was
not
really
sellable,
so
we
bought
it
thinking.
E
We
might
save
this
house
and
you
guys
in
2015
zoned
it
for
the
three
acres
there.
This
is
a
brick
house
built
in
1841.
It
was
a
general
store
in
those
days.
The
river
actually
came
up
to
it
and
it
was
on
a
knob
above
the
river
they
riverboats
tied
up
there
for
stock
and
for
firewood
out
of
that
house.
I
think
it's
the
oldest
Brick
House
in
Augusta.
It
predates
the
museum
house,
but
is
very
similar.
E
If
you
know
that
house
so
anyway,
I
think
it's
worth
saving,
but
what
we
didn't
realize
that
that
knob
has
no
way
to
put
a
septic
field
on
it,
and
so,
when
we
bought
it,
you
zoned
it
to
three
acres.
There
was
three
acres
of
that
property
there
and
then
the
other
four
acres
was
up
on
the
bluff.
With
no
connection
you
could
you
couldn't
get
a
road
or
any
way
up
there.
E
So
we
we
later
bought
five
acres,
so
we
actually
have
about
140
acres
to
the
west
and
at
five
acres
to
the
West
abuts,
this
property
and
it's
high
enough
to
put
a
septic
field
in
so
I
have
a
plot
here.
That
shows
how
the
septic
field
folks
wanted
it.
I,
I
I,
went
ahead
and
and
had
it
surveyed
on
not
knowing
that
there
was
a.
E
There
was
a
problem
with
the
agricultural
District,
so
nothing's
going
to
go
there,
nothing
can
ever
be
built
there,
it'll
be
underground,
it'll,
be
a
septic
system
and
the
other
portion
that
is
in
the
creek
bed
basically
would
just
revert
to
the
agricultural.
So
it's
just
kind
of
a
swap
to
get
a
spot
for
a
septic
tank.
A
H
A
A
E
E
Have
these
lines
but
but
yeah
so
where
it
shows
the
septic
field
to
the
left
is
part
of
a
five
acre
field
that
runs
on
packerman
packman
road
that
we
own
where
the
house
is
sitting,
is
on
the
knob
and
then
again
the
property
back
behind.
It
is
all
Creek,
so
they
couldn't
put
the
septic
field
back
there.
E
I
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir
all
right.
We
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
for
rz22-15
anyone
wishing
to
speak
yeah
yeah
good
evening.
How
are
you
you
saw?
These
were
from
it
to
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth
and
these
proceedings
from
the
pains
and
finleys
of
perjury.
Yes,.
J
J
First
of
all,
I'm,
not
in
opposition
to
this
issue.
I,
clearly
understand
the
facts
and
the
supporting
documents
to
back
up
this
project,
so
I
fully
support
and
ask
your
name
unanimous
consideration
for
recommendation
of
the
County
Council.
However,
it
is
located
in
the
flood.
Fringe
overlay
district
and
I
would
like
to
make
it
a
matter
of
record
to
ask
and
inquire
exactly
what
the
county
is
doing
to
protect.
J
Treasures
such
as
this,
as
we
all
know
this
area,
floods,
annually
or
biannual
or
every
couple
years,
and
it
causes
a
lot
of
havoc
in
the
Augusta
area.
So
we
really
need
to
build
some
consensus,
some
money
in
terms
of
forming
a
drainage,
ditch
a
drainage
District
or
something
in
that
area
to
combat
flooding
and
to
preserve
and
protect
our
historic
Treasures
throughout
the
county.
Those
are
my
comments.
Mr
chairman
and
I
asked
for
unanimous
approval.
Thank.
B
K
L
A
B
B
D
This
property
is
already
zoned,
C2,
General
commercial
district
and,
as
you
stated,
they're
requesting
conditional
use
permit
for
outdoor
storage
lot
for
automobiles
boats,
trucks
and
recreational
vehicles.
It's
essentially
at
the
Southwest
quadrant
of
Highway,
D
and
DD.
The
site
does
not
have
sanitary
sewer
service
presently,
and
so
this
this
use
would
not
require
sanitary
sewer
service,
but
it
would
take
special
considerations
and
specific
approval
in
order
for
it
to
be
approved
and
operated,
constructed
and
operated
so
to
the
the
properties.
D
That's
been
Zone
commercial
for
some
time,
but
it
joins
single
family
residential.
The
RR
zoning
to
the
South,
the
states
at
Lauderdale
are
is
subdivision
located
immediately
to
the
South
to
the
West.
There's
agricultural
District
zoning
to
the
north,
there's
both
agricultural
district
and
Commercial
zoning,
and
there
is
a
existing
RV
storage
lot
that
was
approved
and
is
being
operated
nearby.
It's
along
Highway
D,
maybe
about
500
feet,
700
feet
to
the
west
of
D
and
DD.
D
In
reviewing
requests
like
this,
we
often
are
confronted
by
potential
land
use,
impacts
between
commercial
uses
and
nearby
residential
uses
or
joining
residential
uses.
One
way
that
we
can
address
land
use,
negative
land
use
impacts
is
one
to
create
a
buffer
between
the
two
different
uses.
In
this
case,
what's
being
proposed
is
what's
called
a
Type
3
landscape
buffer
that
includes
both
the
site,
proof,
fence
and
trees
and
on
both
the
south
side
next
to
Lauderdale
Estates
and
also
the
West
Side
joining
a
residence
there.
D
So
that's
one
thing,
that's
being
proposed,
in
fact,
the
the
applicants
proposing
all
coniferous
trees
so
that
it
would
be
provide
a
visual
buffer
year
round
rather
than
just
seasonally.
Second,
another
consideration
it,
for
instance,
is
lighting
and
we're
proposing
that
all
lighting
have
full
cut
off
light
fixtures.
D
We're
also
proposing
a
recommended
recommended
condition
that
all
automobiles,
boats,
trailers
and
recreational
vehicles
shall
remain
Road,
ready,
licensed
assembled
and
in
fully
functional
condition,
and
you
should
also
know
that
that,
just
today
we
received
copies
of
of
petitions
against
approval
and
there's
125
signatures
included
by
my
count.
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
have
a
copy
of
that,
but.
I
B
M
M
D
M
Oh
there
we
go
something's
coming
up,
I
guess
this
wasn't
the
slide
that
I
wanted
to
have
up
right
away,
but
what
what
we
did
is
we
we
wanted
to
demonstrate
what
the
buffer
that
we're
proposing
along
Highway
D
would
look
like
in
lieu
of
the
required
buffer.
We've
opted
to
increase
the
buffer
up
in
front
to
try
and
help
Shield
The
View,
so
in,
and
also
to
give
a
year-round
screen.
So
that's
really
what
we're
wanting
to
do
here
and
that
that
slide
also
showed
you
what
the
entrance
was
going
to
look
like.
M
So
this
is
a
MoDOT
right-of-way.
We've
actually
already
dedicated
an
additional
30
foot,
so
the
actual
development
will
be
roughly
about
48
foot
back
of
the
edge
of
pavement
of
Highway
D
as
it
exists
today.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
right
up
on
Highway
D,
so
it's
going
to
be
back
a
little
ways
from
Highway
D
and
the
screen
that
was
the
our
biggest
focal
point
was
just
to
show
what
we're
doing
see.
If
we
can
get
it
to
come
up
again
and
I
apologize.
It's
try.
M
Yep
there
she
goes,
and
this
this
slide
right
here
really
shows
what
our
entrance
would
look
like.
This
is
the
other
facility,
that's
just
east,
of
Highway
DD
on
the
north
side
of
Highway
D.
So
that's
exactly
what
we're
going
to
do
is
pretty
much
mimic.
What
they've
done
as
far
as
putting
in
the
type
of
material
up
in
front
to
help
screen.
M
M
M
M
I'm,
sorry
gotcha,
so
you
can
see
along
the
north
boundary
lines.
You
can
see
how
what
we've
done
is
we've
taken
the
the
material,
the
landscape
material
and
what
we've
done
is
we
staggered
that
material
instead
of
having
it
in
a
row?
What
we've
done
is
staggered
it
so
that
it
can
help
that
visual
look
and
what
we've
done
on
this
also
is
proposed
to
wrap
that
Landscaping
all
the
way
down
along
here.
This
is
the
residence
to
the
west
of
us.
M
So
we're
going
to
do
the
same
thing
in
running
that
landscape
buffer
down
the
western
boundary
line
to
also
same
thing
is
instead
of
having
ditches,
was
trees
in
there
and
Pines
we're
wanting
to
do
it
all
as
Pines
down
through
there,
so
that
we
can
create
a
year-round
screen
for
the
resident.
That's
right
along
into
the
west
of
the
of
us
right
here
and
now.
M
Staff
has
asked
that
we
do
a
three
which
is
the
buffer
three,
which
also
adds
a
sight
proof
fence
along
so
there'll
be
a
site
proof
fence
that
will
run
along
here.
That
would
be
up
against
the
the
development
and
all
the
Landscaping
would
be
on
the
western
side,
so
the
individuals,
the
homeowner
to
the
West,
would
actually
be
looking
at
the
Landscaping,
not
the
fence,
right
up
against
his
property
line.
M
The
other
thing
is
too:
staff
has
asked
along
our
southern
boundary
here,
there's
an
existing
natural
buffer
that
runs
along
here,
we're
going
to
propose
to
try
and
maintain
as
much
as
that,
existing
buffer
tree
Mass.
That's
there
today,
but
what
we're
showing
here
in
this
concept
plan
we're
showing
our
detention
basins
in
here
and
those
detention
bases
were
sized.
If
this
thing
was
100
impervious,
it's
not
going
to
be
100
impervious
because
it's
going
to
be
pervious
because
it's
going
to
be
an
ass
or
a
gravel.
M
M
This
will
have
the
Gated
entrance
in
here.
It
will
be
a
keypad
they'll,
be
given
a
code,
each
of
the
people
that
will
actually
rent
and
store
their
facilities
here,
we'll
have
a
keypad
for
them.
It'll
be
a
security
fence
completely
surrounding
this
development,
and
there
will
be
no
lights
up
here.
There'll
be
a
small
light
that
will
be
over
the
keypad
for
the
individuals
to
be
able
to
see,
but
there
will
not
be
any
lighting
per
se
up
and
along
Highway
D
up
here.
M
There
will
be
a
light
standard
roughly
about
here
and
then
another
light
standard
back
here
and
those
will
also
be
meet
the
county
standard
as
far
as
shielding
those
from
any
light.
Trespass
off
of
the
property
with
that
you
know
with
me
here
today
is
Mr.
Cove
he's
one
of
the
owners
of
the
future
owners
of
the
property
and
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
M
B
B
M
Number
one
is
you're
going
to
have
48
feet
from
the
edge
of
pavement
to
where
the
fence,
Starts
Now,
the
fence,
the
actual
gate,
and
everything
will
be
actually
further
back.
I
can
scale
that
real,
quick
and
give
you
what
that
Dimension
is,
but
it's
actually
going
to
be
set
back
inside
the
site.
Another
30
feet,
I
believe.
M
B
H
M
C
M
B
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
for
an
outdoor
storage
lot
for
automobiles
boats,
trucks
and
recreational
vehicles
located
approximately
250
feet,
west
of
the
intersection
of
Highway
D
and
Highway
Double
D.
Anyone
wishing
to
speak
I'm
forward
line
up
you've
got
three.
You
have
three
minutes
all
right.
Okay,
if
you
solemnly
swear
in
front
of
you
tell
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
or
nothing
but
the
truth
from
these
proceedings
when
the
pains
and
penalties
of
perjury
yes.
O
O
O
My
supporters
of
the
petition
are
all
concerned
with
the
traffic.
We
don't
see
that
there's
another
Lane
there.
We
I
have
nieces
and
nephews
in
the
area
they
stop.
They
come
to
that
intersection.
Often
when
people
come
out
of
that
intersection,
they're
already
going
very
fast,
I,
don't
want
to
exaggerate
there.
O
O
Map
the
tote
map
is
going
to
explain
to
you
the
direction
of
the
surface
runoff
from
the
subject
property.
It
comes
to
a
ditch.
I
do
see
that
they
have
retention
basins,
which
is
great,
but
it
is
much
higher.
So,
of
course,
the
water
does
come
downhill,
there's
a
steep
slope
when
you
come
down
Lauderdale
Lane.
When
that
water
comes
down
that
steep
slope,
it's
going
to
come
into
a
ditch,
which
has
been
created.
O
It'll
come
around
to
the
pond
as
you'll
see
on
addendum
a
the
pond
transfers
into
the
larger
Pond
or
a
lake
which
comes
across
a
Spillway
okay,
that
Spillway
is
actually
dumped
into
a
losing
stream.
So
it's
got
jurisdiction,
but
with
Department
of
Natural
Resources
and
what
happens?
Is
the
water
fills
up
under
heavy
rain
and
then
it
it
it?
It
goes
away
after
the
rain
it
pools.
There's
animals
and
things
fish
that
could
die
from
different
pollutions.
O
Also,
the
aquifer
could
be
polluted,
so
I
did
get
signatures
from
the
entire
community
of
Lauderdale
Estates
one
resident
to
the
West
many
residents
across
the
street
from
Lakeway
they're
all
concerned
with
the
traffic
the
stoppage,
and
then
we
have
120
five
signatures
on
the
petition
from
people
who
commit
consider
this
area
their
Community.
You
know
the
talk
is:
why
are
we
going
to
put
another
one
there
within
the
eyesight
of
our
intersection
when
there
is
another
storage
slot?
Exactly
the
same,
they
say
500
feet
away.
B
P
P
Leaker
1399
Lake,
Hollow,
Drive,
Defiance,
Missouri
I,
live
in
Lakeway
subdivision.
The
subdivision
will
be
impacted
across
the
street
from
this
I'm.
Also,
a
real
estate
broker,
with
my
own
company
member
of
St
Charles
County
Association
of
Realtors,
so
I
truly
believe
that
this
will
decrease
the
values
of
the
homes
in
the
area.
P
The
entrance
that
Dan
talked
about
is
going
to
cause
significant
traffic
issues
on
D
and
Double
D
intersection.
It's
just
incredible.
If
you
live
out
there,
what
you
have
out
there,
you
also
have
a
fire
department
right
down
the
stream.
So
if
you
have
an
emergency
you're
going
to
have
problems
in
that
area,
the
way
that
entrance
is
heathens
is
what
he
was
showing
you
pictures
of
the
one.
That's
down
the
other
side.
They
have
lots
of
storage,
they
have
open
storage,
we
don't
need
more
storage
out
there.
P
P
We
don't
need
more
storage,
there's
Wolf's
Double
D
I
mean
with
storage
down
Self
Storage.
There
you
got
Kevin's
there,
Kevin's
got
RV
storage,
all
over
Z
and
all
over
the
place.
This
isn't
needed.
Security
is
a
big
issue
to
me.
I
have
grandkids
and
neighbors
kids
in
the
area
and
that
when
you
bring
these
type
of
things
out
here,
you're
going
to
bring
extra
people
into
the
area,
you
don't
know
where
they're
coming.
We
all
know
that
there's
an
uprising
crime,
so
we
just
don't
need
it
in
our
area.
Now.
P
The
next
thing
I
want
to
ask
them
what
type
of
restrictions
are
they
going
to
guarantee
on
this
thing
on
the
property
you
know:
how
are
they
going
to
handle
the
people
that
bring
in
old
cars
or
whatever
I
used
to
own
one
of
these
things?
And
if
you
don't
take
care
of
them
and
you
don't
have
the
right
restrictions,
it's
just
going
to
cause
a
catastrophe
in
the
neighborhood,
so
I
am
definitely
against
this
thing.
B
Q
Q
Are
the
HOA
presidents
co-presidents
of
the
Lakeway
subdivision?
We
have
major
issues
with
this
I
mean
we
are
concerned
about
the
safety
security
going
around
that
we
know
these
Lots
like
this
bring
in
a
lot
of
crime.
We
just
had
a
police
officer,
we
had
an
HOA
meeting
last
week
and
we
had
a
police
officer.
There
come
talk
about
the
crime
in
the
area
and
the
biggest
crime.
Besides
the
fentanyl
that's
going
around
it's
something
separate
was
break-ins
to
cars
and
stuff
there,
and
we
know
with
this
directly
across
the
street
from
our
subdivision.
Q
It
just
invites
more
crime
and
and
we've
got
besides
our
property
values.
There
are
a
lot
of
if
you
know
all
the
new
subdivisions
that
are
going
in
around
other
new
homes,
Million
Dollar,
Plus
Homes.
This
is
not
something
we
want
in
our
neighborhood,
for
you
know,
for
traffic
reasons,
for
aesthetic
reasons.
All
of
that,
and
my
biggest
fear
is
that
this
is
allowed
to
go
in
what
else
it's
going
to
deteriorate,
the
whole
property
around
the
area
of
other
businesses
like
this
go
in
and
this
is
supposed
to
be
a
residential
Community.
A
B
G
B
K
F
F
We
realize
that's
commercial
property
and
at
some
point,
something's
going
to
go
there,
but
it
ought
to
be
something
that
benefits
the
people
that
live
there.
We
shouldn't
have
to
have
a
place
to
store
people
from
Chesterfield
or
O'fallon
or
wherever
that
store
their
bad
Investments
at
a
place
where
they
can
keep
them
out
of
sight.
People
in
our
area
that
have
these
things:
they
guess
what
they
build
garages,
they
put
their
boats,
they
put
their
big
RVs
in
garages.
F
B
R
R
My
name
is:
I,
live
on
the
property
directly
to
the
west
of
this
lot,
the
five
and
a
half
acre
lot.
We've
been
there
for
seven
years
to
this
point
and
I
just
wanted
to
speak
in
opposition
for
this
measure.
I
think
it
substantially
changes
the
nature
of
the
landscape
there.
This
is
a
rural
agricultural,
residential
neighborhood.
You
know
with
million
dollar
homes
all
around
it.
This
is
certainly
gonna,
because
I'm
adjacent
to
this
property
it'll
depress
my
property
values.
R
There's
a
five
acre
minimum
for
Residential
Properties
there.
Now,
because
you
want
to
have
that
nature
around
houses.
This
is
definitely
not
the
use
case.
We
were
thinking
for
this
lot.
We
also
have
an
issue
with
cars
and
trucks
pulling
into
our
driveway
because
they
overshoot-
you
know
the
property
next
to
us,
and
our
driver
has
actually
been
damaged
because
a
dump
truck
once
pulled
into
it
and
the
driver
sort
of
collapsed.
So
we
had
to
pay
to
get
that
fixed
with
this
type
of
traffic
coming
into
the
area.
R
These
are
big
heavy
vehicles.
It's
this
is
going
to
become
a
constant
new
sense,
we'll
be
forced
to
put
a
a
gate
at
the
entrance
which
is
going
to
cost
us
money.
Additionally,
this
is
next
to
August
Bush
a
lot
of
wildlife
there.
You
know,
there's
Eagles,
turkeys,
deer,
all
sorts
of
wildlife,
so
I
think
this
changes
the
nature
of
what
this
area
is
supposed
to
be,
and
it's
an
eyesore.
It's
going
to
depress
our
property
values,
we'll
probably
have
like
leakage
of
oil
and
gasoline
and
those
type
of
things
into
the
groundwater.
R
B
S
S
Floyd
I'm
at
40,
75,
highway
d,
I
live
approximately
one
mile
from
this
proposed
site.
I
truly,
don't
see
the
need
for
this.
We
have
one
and
across
the
street,
from
the
outside
storage,
we
have
storage
buildings
for
people
to
rent.
It's
not
my
problem.
These
people
don't
have
they've
got
HOAs.
They
can't
park
their
stuff
on
their
own
property.
That's
not
my
problem.
I've
lived
there
28
years,
I've
replaced
my
mailbox
14
times.
S
That'll.
Tell
you
the
traffic
problem
already.
If
you
don't
travel
that
area,
you
don't
have
a
clue.
It's
not
good.
I
have
been
supportive
of
all
the
progress
out
there
up
till
now.
We
just
don't
need
this.
We've
got
one.
We've
got
another
one.
We
don't
need
an
additional
outside
storage,
very
much
opposed
to
it.
I
100
percent
agree
with
the
previous
speakers
and
I
hope
this
doesn't
go
through.
Thank
you.
J
J
In
my
opinion,
the
lean
use
maps
and
Zoning
districts.
This
is
not
the
place.
These
major
developing
areas
and
major
thoroughfares
are
not
the
place
for
storage
units.
Storage
units
should
be
off
the
beaten
path
in
the
back
of
commercial
developments
like
along
Highway
K,
or
something
of
that
example
to
bring
your
attention
in
the
packet.
J
So
the
continuity,
the
conditional
use
permit
is
and
I've
told
you
this
several
times
already
in
past
months
and
you
don't
utilize
the
tools
to
the
benefit
of
our
County.
In
my
opinion,
the
cup
is
the
time
for
protections
to
add
ad
protections
to
protect
residents
along
with
property,
their
property
values.
J
So,
for
example,
the
type
3
buffer
landscape
I
would
ask
that
the
commission
amend
from
two
sides
to
four
sides.
If
you
follow,
through
with
the
vote,
to
approve
I'm,
full
opposition,
because
I
think
enough
is
enough-
and
especially
in
this
Zone
and
with
this
type
of
capital
and
investment
by
these
residents,
these
homes
are
anywhere
from
four
hundred
thousand
to
a
million
and
a
half
to
two
million
dollars,
and
it's
nothing
to
sneeze
at,
and
this
is
just
going
to
destroy
their
reputation
and
their
property
values.
J
So
I
I
ask
that
you
make
all
four
sides
if
you're
inclined
to
approve
a
Type
3
buffer,
that
you
mandate
in
the
condition
that
the
height
of
the
tree
must
be
a
minimum
of
15
to
18
feet,
a
condition
no
derelict
or
unlicensed
inoperable
vehicles
and
the
outside
of
the
building
and
according
to
where
I've
heard
the
testimony.
It's
going
to
be
all
outdoor
storage,
a
condition
of
no
storage
outside
of
barrels,
chemicals,
a
condition
of
no
storage
of
fireworks.
J
If
you
approve
this
I'm
asking
and
begging
you
to
utilize
the
full
capability
of
your
your
power
and
ability.
The
cup
protections
for
everyone
I
stress
that
these
are
great
tools
for
you
to
use
they're
at
your
disposal,
they're
defined
in
state
long
they're
defined
in
our
County
Charter,
and
you
really
underutilize
those
cup
tools
and
conditions.
This
is
a
permission.
J
B
A
A
M
I
wouldn't
like
to
if
I
could
rebut
on
some
of
the
issues
that
were
brought
up,
one
being
the
storm
water,
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
The
reason
that
we
have
we
set
up
the
storm
water.
The
way
we
did.
We
set
it
up
as
though
the
lot
was
completely
paved.
It's
not
going
to
be
completely
paved,
but
we've
got
the
storm
water
and
we'll
meet
the
new
storm
water
regulations
that
St
Charles
County
has
implemented
now,
so
those
basins
will
meet
those
requirements,
so
we
will
have
stormware.
M
We
know
that
you
know
it's
a
very
sensitive
thing
for
surrounding
residents,
so
we'll
have
water
quality,
storm
detention,
we'll
have
volume
reduction,
we'll
all
be
built
into
those
basins
which
is
what's
required
by
Saint
Charles
County.
So
we
will
have
that
the
other
issues
that
we
heard
was
traffic.
M
If
that's
the
concern
of
the
residents
light
trespass,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we've
got
the
light
standard
in
the
middle
of
the
development.
It's
close
to
300
foot
from
the
right
of
way
of
Highway
D.
The
only
light
that
we
have
that's
anywhere
near
anyone
is
the
one
that
would
be
at
back
farthest
of
the
development
that
then
will
actually
be
shielded
by
the
existing
mature
trees
that
are
along
our
southern
boundary
line.
M
If
you
remember
that
I
had
mentioned
we're
going
to
try
and
save
as
much
of
that
existing
vegetation
and
mature
vegetation,
that's
along
there
to
help
shield
and
buffer
the
residents
to
the
South
and
I
think
that's
most
of
the
concerns
that
we
heard
again
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions
to
the
state
commission
may
have
could
be
any
sewer
or
water
service.
There
will
not
be.
There
will
not
be
any
sewer.
There
will
not
be
any
water
all
facilities.
This
is
just
strictly
for
storage.
M
G
N
N
Many
of
the
HOAs
Within
These,
nice
neighborhoods
that
are
being
built
and
the
futuristic
neighborhoods
that
are
being
built
all
have
HOAs
that
dictate
whether
or
not
they
can
park
trailers,
RVs
or
additional
vehicles
in
their
driveway
and
prevent
street
parking.
This
allows
more
outdoor
storage
space
for
them
to
bring
their
things
so
they're
out
of
sight
protected
by
the
you
know:
security,
fences
and
the
lights
and
somewhere
they
can
actually
leave
their.
You
know
additional
things
to
desire
and
do
on
the
weekends
in
a
safe.
G
B
A
M
The
other
comment
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
this
is
a
storage
lot
for
RVs
boats
and
automobiles.
There's
not
going
to
be
any
repairs
being
done
here.
There's
not
going
to
be
anybody
living
there
that
will
be
strictly
prohibited,
so
anybody
those
will
be
the
rules
that
will
be
fed
out
to
everybody.
So
there
won't
be
any
of
that
facility
and
different
types
of
activities
to
be
happening
at
this
facility.
G
N
B
K
Staff,
yes,
I,
have
a
comment.
We've
obviously
been
talking
about.
This
is
I
am
one
of
the
ones
that
do
live
south
of
40,
and
this
is
my
area.
I
drive
through
this
multiple
times
a
day.
This
is
the
comments
that
are
being
echoed
throughout
our
community
I've
heard
about
it
for
weeks.
There
is
a
desire
and
a
need
for
this.
The
HOAs
do
require
a
lot
of
restrictions.
Mine
does
my
neighbor
HOA
does
it
happens?
H
H
C
C
D
You,
as
the
planning
zoning
Commission
you've
got
three
considerations
you
can
approve,
as
proposed
approved
with
conditions
or
or
recommend.
I
should
say,
recommended
approval,
as
proposed
recommend
approval
with
conditions
or
recommend
denial.
So
if
there
are
conditions
that
you
see
that
are
related
to
those
criteria,
you
can
certainly
vote
on
those
and
add
those.
Now
there
was
a
mention
of
fireworks.
We
did
have
a
condition
a
couple
years
ago
for
a
storage
facility
and
at
the
request
of
the
building
code
enforcement
director,
we
included
the
condition
limited
with
fireworks.
D
G
B
G
I
T
T
B
Now
this
will
be
on
the
County
councils
agenda
for
the
Monday
November
14th
2022
meeting
right
back
in
this
room.
Okay,
so
that's
Monday,
the
November
14th
right
so
it'll
be
it
will
be
on
the
county
council's
agenda
and
that,
because
what
we're
making
is
a
recommendation
to
the
County
Council,
they
have
the
final
Authority.
A
B
Next
item
on
our
agenda
is
our
conditional
use
permit
request
located
at
6730
Hickory
Tree
Lane.
The
application
number
is
cup
22-12,
the
property
owner,
the
Sparrow's
Nest
property.
Zoning
is
r1a
single-family
District.
The
conditional
use
request
is
a
daycare
setting
no
more
than
10
children
at
any.
Given
time
parcel
size
is
one
acre.
The
location
is
across
me:
470
feet,
Southwest
of
the
intersection
of
Carter's
Grove
and
Highway
K
adjacent
to
the
city
of
O'fallon.
This
is
located
in
Council
District,
3.
B
D
The
address
is
6730
Hickory,
Tree
Lane,
but
it's
located
just
off
of
Highway
K
in
what
I
would
call
a
secluded
area
off
of
along
a
private
Drive
in
a
wooded
area,
but
there
are
subdivisions
nearby.
This
is
a
one
acre
parcel
that
has
an
existing
two-story
home
that
has
been
used
in
the
past
for
some
years
by
sparrows
nests
for
what
I
would
call
a
maternity
home,
but
it's
no
longer
a
use
for
that
purpose.
And
if
I
get
this
wrong
by
the
applicants,
they
can
correct
me,
but
I
believe
it
already
has
sprinklers.
D
D
D
D
Also.
You
should
know
that
in
the
backyard
the
existing
backyard
there's
a
residential
subdivision
in
the
city
of
O'fallon
right
behind
it's
being
developed,
but
there
is
a
fence
for
this
backyard
and
also
it's
like.
According
to
the
aeroflu
photographs,
I
see
there's
a
retaining
wall
That's
existing
in
on
the
neighboring
property,
so
the
neighbors
are
going
to
be
a
little
bit
higher
they're,
not
going
to
be
adjacent
to
each
other
and
right
behind
each
other.
So
I'm
trying
to
say,
there's
going
to
be
some.
D
Some
great
difference
between
the
two
foreign
County
staff
is
recommending
that
the
planning
zoning
commission
recommends
that
the
County
Council
approved
the
condition
permit
with
four
proposed
conditions,
including
as
requested
or
proposed
by
the,
as
proposed
by
the
applicant.
A
maximum
of
10
children
may
attend
the
daycare
center
any
one
time.
Parking
should
be
limited
to
designated
parking
areas
depicted
on
the
site
plan
and
all
trees.
Illustrated
in
the
proof
site
plan
shall
be
maintained
in
a
healthy
conditions
with
diseased
or
dead
trees
replaced.
B
H
Yeah
Reverend,
you
you
brought
up
and
I
guess
they
both
are
questions
sent
around
the
same
thing.
You
said
there
was
concern
about
people
coming
in
in
that
driveway,
but
I
don't
see
any
recommendations
for
that.
The
second
one
was
with
it
being
a
private
Road.
Does
it
needs
some
kind
of
approval
from
the
residents
there
I
mean
this
is
if
it's
a
private
road
for
all
the
people
there?
How
does
that
work
with
kind
of
a
semi-commercial
use
with
people
coming
and
going
I'm,
just
not
sure.
D
A
I
D
U
D
G
D
A
B
B
L
L
And
my
name
is
Dan
kozitek
with
civil
and
environmental
Consultants
or
CEC
very
proud
to
represent
the
the
landowner
on
this
matter.
Sparrow's
Nest
has
some
folks
here
in
the
audience,
including
board
president
Kirk
kaseki
in
case
there's
any
housekeeping
type
questions
that
I
may
not
be
able
to
answer
for
you.
Okay,
also,
three
thousand
little
Hills
Expressway
St,
Charles
Missouri,
is
where
our
company's
at
so
this.
L
This
proposed
cup,
as
staff
has
already
said,
is
to
allow
this
change
right
to
operate
as
a
daycare
for
10
children
or
up
to
10
children.
We
feel
this
is
the
highest
and
best
use
for
this
lot.
It's
a
critical
and
necessary
use
for
the
community,
and
is
it
is
a
change
of
course,
which
is
the
need
for
the
cup,
but
is
is
a
necessity
to
change
from
the
long-term.
L
You
know
residential
maternity
home
to
what
we
call
free
or
low-cost
child
child
care
for
a
select
group
of
families
in
this
area.
So
the
residents,
if
you
will
of
this
facility,
would
be
qualifying
for
Missouri's
Child
Care
Subsidy,
which
is
a
different
type
of
use
from
nearby
other
child
care
facilities,
either
down
the
street
or
in
the
county.
So
this
is
a
unique
application
here.
L
It
serves
a
vital
role
for
just
daytime
weekday
operations.
This
is
not
and
will
not
be
overnight
type
of
facility
where
people
will
stay
there.
It's
just
a
weekday,
seven
to
I
believe
6
p.m.
Date
time,
not
weekends.
There
there
may
be
occasional
evening
get-togethers,
you
know
dinners
and
such,
but
no
overnight
stays
at
the
facility.
L
The
conditions
listed
by
staff
are
recommended
by
staff.
We
are
happy
to
abide
by
no
site.
Improvements
are
proposed
on
this
lot,
so
in
other
words,
no
trees
are
being
removed.
So
we're
happy
to
comply
with.
You
know,
keep
upkeep
of
the
trees,
we're
providing
more
than
enough
parking
for
our
use
to
park
at
the
facility
and
enter
in
and
out
recognize
the
comment
about
the
emergency
vehicles.
L
L
As
far
as
the
fence
Acoustics
and
things
of
that
nature
that
might
typically
accompany
a
daycare,
a
nice
six
foot
wooden
privacy
fence
there
will
remain
and
provide
that
screening.
The
the
neighborhood
that's
directly
I
guess
it'd
be
South.
Southwest
does
have
that
retaining
well
I,
don't
recall
the
height
of
it,
but
it
drops
down
to
that
neighborhood
and
so
our
our
lot.
L
It
sits
way
up
above
that
some
of
the
other
neighborhood
concerns
you
know
related
to
The,
Centers
I
talked
about
you
know
the
the
two
other
centers
that
are
nearby,
don't
accept
that
State
Child
Care
Subsidy,
so
it
is,
it
is
different
and
and
a
use
that's
not
going
to
take
away
from
those
other
facilities,
in
other
words,
as
far
as
total
traffic.
What
what
we've
experienced
historically,
when
it
was
operated
as
a
residential
attorney
home,
was
approximately
20
trips
per
day
for
vehicles
to
and
from
for
this
use,
they're
estimating
about
30.
L
So
it
is
an
increase,
we
feel
that's
a
minimal
increase,
considering
the
the
critical
nature
of
the
use
for
the
community
last
comment:
there
is,
as
far
as
the
access
and
connection
to
the
neighbors.
There
is
two
documents
that
actually
have
copies
of.
If
you'd
like
to
see
them,
I
don't
think
they
were
included
in
the
packet,
but
we
do
have
cross
access,
easement
down,
Hickory
Tree
Lane
through
past
those
Parcels
to
the
the
residents.
L
We
also
have
a
road
maintenance
agreement
that
was
recorded
in
I,
think
1992
that
talks
about
how
and
who
and
what
maintains
now
I
think
the
the
landowners
have
changed
since
that
document
was
was
recorded,
but
it
is
there
and
we
simply
would
abide
by
our
current
Covenants
and
restrictions.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions
that
you
may
have.
B
V
A
V
V
A
B
V
V
G
V
I
H
V
C
S
V
V
L
So
you
got
a
one-page
road
maintenance
agreement
that
talks
about
an
agreement
between
the
three
parties
at
the
time
who
owned
the
three
lots
back
there.
This
lot
is
one
of
those
three
at
the
time
the
names
were
Burk,
Kemper,
Leeman
and
canoyer,
of
which
I
think
none
of
them.
None
of
them
are
currently
residents.
But
what
this
talks
about
is
that
it
confirms
that
the
individual
hereby
assume
and
agree
to
share
in
the
cost
of
the
maintenance
and
upkeep
of
the
shared
private
Gravel
Road
identified
as
Hickory
Tree
Lane.
At
the
time.
T
T
I
have
some
a
little
bit
of
experience
with
this,
as
I
was
a
while
ago
planning
on
doing
a
similar
thing
on
a
different
private
Street
that
did
not
work
out.
The
other
residents
were
not
interested,
but
one
of
the
things-
and
this
is
just
an
idea.
One
of
the
things
that
we
discussed
was
that
the
member
on
the
street
that
was
using
the
street
more
often
and
had
more
use
of
it,
would
pay
a
larger
percentage
of
the
upkeep.
T
D
T
B
I
W
W
Well,
there's
Boulders
and
there's
car
gets
stuck
there
at
least
once
a
week
which
then
we
can't
get
out
of
our
driveway,
and
it
delays
us
to
do
everything.
There's
it's
one
car
can
barely
fit
and
I
know
if
you
said
that
you've
been
down
that
road
before
you
know
that
it's
it's
not
a
two
two
driveway,
yes,.
X
I
V
W
W
W
That's
another
vehicle,
that's
stuck
there
doesn't
know
where
to
go
like
this
is
not
a
road
that
you
can
go
down
and
try
to
turn
around
it's
either
you
go
down
there
or
you
back
up
into
Highway,
K
or
you're.
Turning
into
my
driveway
and
tearing
up
my
property,
which
has
already
been
done,
you
know
so
I
am
I
really
wish
they
could
get
the
daycare
and
I
don't
know.
I
know,
I,
know
I,
don't
make
that
call,
but
the
traffic
now
is
crazy.
W
My
son
is
now
back
in
high
school.
He
was
homeschooled.
He
has
to
walk
to
the
top
of
the
to
Highway
K
to
catch
the
bus.
Obviously,
because
no
bus
can
get
down
there,
I
don't
want
him
dodging
cars
to
get
to
the
bus.
Stop
I,
don't
want
him.
I,
don't
want
to
have
to
worry
about
that
safety
and
concern
that
I
already
have
to
worry
about
him,
walking
the
Highway
K.
So,
as
far
as
Vehicles
go,
that's
our
main
concern
is
the
traffic
and
obviously
I.
W
W
We
we
have
a
four
three-year-old
that
has
seizures
and
I
either
have
to
call
you
know
an
ambulance
at
a
drop
with
a
dime
I.
Don't
want
a
situation
where
you
know
I
can't
have
access
to
getting
out.
You
know
because
some
we,
my
sons,
had
two
seizures
already
or
we've
just
had
to
throw
them
in
the
car
and
get
out
I've
been
in
situations
where
I
have
to
go
to
work.
W
X
W
X
X
Was
because
his
wife
couldn't
get
out
on
the
highway
case
safely,
because
there's
not
a
light
but
I
have
no
idea.
I
know
the
new
owners
of
because
I
own
a
store
right
there
and
he's
my
landlord
now
and
he
owns
that
Plaza,
and
he
also
doesn't
know
why
the
original
owner
of
that
Plaza
allowed
that
ease.
X
Then
there's
nowhere
to
turn
around,
so
he
put
the
boulders
there
to
keep
from
people
going
up
and
down.
So
here's
the
thing
you
you
drive
down
from
Sparrow's
Nest
in
our
home
and
you
can
go
down
this
way.
But
if
you
come
in
from
Highway
K
he's
made
it
to
where
you
can't
go
down
so
like
a
stranger,
wouldn't
try
to
take
it
as
an
entrance,
but.
W
T
T
Quick
question
to
you
is
just
since
it
is
your
land
and
since
you
do
have
the
authority
to
tell
people
what
they
can
and
can't
do
on
your
land,
with
the
exception
of
the
access
of
the
easement.
If
someone
were
willing
to
pay
to
widen
the
road
so
that
people
could
go
both
ways,
would
you
allow
them
to
use
your
land
to
do
so?
If
someone
being
the
Sparrow's
net,
specifically
my.
X
Feeling
is
we
moved
there
to
live
in
the
woods.
You
know
we
moved
there.
Eight
years
we've
got
to
live
in
the
woods.
Then
we
found
out
that
the
Sparrow's
Nest
was
there
being
a
19
year
old
mother
on
my
own,
it
was
cool
I,
totally
honored,
it
totally
cool.
But
my
problem
is
the
only
reason
why
I
don't
agree
with
it
is
because
it's
changing
when
I
talked
to
her
in
June.
It
was
you
know
the
people
that
already
lived
there.
X
They
were
trying
to
help
those
girls
and
I
offered
to
Mentor
them
hire
them.
Everything
I
would
still
love
that,
but
now
it's
turned
into
like
10,
kids
and
now
it's
starting
to
state
income.
You
know
what
I
mean
like
a
state
type
it
to
anybody,
not
their
community,
that
they
had
living
there
before.
So
it's
kind
of
changing.
X
X
X
B
W
X
W
W
X
Hit
the
boulder
you
can't
come
in
and
make
a
left
down
that
thing
you'll
hit.
He
has
it
set
up
to
where
you
literally
hit
the
boulder,
but
he
doesn't
have
to
deal
with
the
mess
because
he
doesn't
live
there.
We
live
there,
so
we
have
to
deal
with
coming
in
and
out.
We've
had
police
officers.
Tell
us
just
drive
down
the
lane,
like
the
grass
that
belongs
to
the
people
in
the
commercial
like,
because
we've
had
to
get
out.
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So
they
can
get
an
easement,
though,
through
that
neighborhood
I,
don't
know.
If
there's
a
safer
way
in
and
out
I
mean
you
guys
have
on
record
when
he
tried
to
make
our
home
a
commercial
they
denied
it
because
of
the
school
bus
getting
hit.
That
was
our
school,
our
son's
school
bus.
So
because
there's
no
there's
just
a
lot
of
traffic
right
there
by
Dunkin
Donuts.
It
backs
up
all
the
way.
Highway
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There's
nowhere
to
build
up
we
own
all,
they
we
own,
almost
four
acres
right
there.
So
we
don't
plan
on
selling
our
Acres
we
found
out
some
of
the
neighbors
are
on
our
Acres,
so
I
mean
I.
Understand
on
the
outside
is
not
the
woods,
but
if
you've
drove
down
there,
it
disappears
you're
in
the
woods,
so
I
mean
I,
I
mean
I'm,
not
I
mean
I.
Don't
if
there's
a
way
for
them
to
cut
through
their
backyard.
Great
that'd
be
great
for
them.
I
think
it'd
be
awesome.
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Thank
you,
I
mean
I,
guess
the
question
hasn't
really
been
answered,
I
mean
it
seems,
and
without
looking
we're,
not
lawyers.
Here
we
don't
have
the
papers
in
front
of
us,
but
it
sounds
like
there
is
an
easement
that
is
currently
in
place
that
when
you
purchase
the
property
you
were
required
to
honor,
and
that
means
that
the
people
behind
there
have
to
be
able
to
get
in
and
out
regardless
of
whether
that
house
is
a
maternity
home,
a
daycare,
a
residential
home.
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For
the
record,
thank
you
very
much,
members
of
the
commission,
Arne
AC
denof
County
public
Advocate
mailing
address
PO,
Box,
1535
and
O'fallon
if
they
could
pull
up
and
back
page
5
of
15
in
the
packet
and
why
they
pull
that
up
in
the
back.
If
they
can
kindly
I
just
want
to
make
a
matter
of
record
that
you
have
one
email
with
a
long
list
of
concerns
and
I
believe
that
was
the
resident
that
spoke
and
then
there
are
two
emails
in
opposition
now.
J
I
want
to
put
it
on
a
matter
of
record,
because
I'm,
a
person
and
I
expect
our
County
to
treat
all
applicants
equally
on
the
same
basis,
if
you're
all
recall
about
two
two
and
a
half
years
ago
before
this
commission
was
a
group
home
of
eight
individuals
who
wanted
to
put
their
group
home
on
a
private
Small
Lane
in
unincorporated,
outside
of
unincorporated
St
Charles
City.
That
roadway
had
the
same
concerns
congestion
not
being
able
to
be
accessed
by
Public
Safety
units.
The
fire
engines
turnaround
radius.
J
This
commission
denied
and
recommended
the
County
Council,
and
it
was
denied
by
the
County
Council.
For
this
exact
same
reason,
so
I
would
like
you
to
treat
all
applicants
fairly
and
on
the
same,
even
Keel
playing
field,
and
if
you
need
to
speak
to
your
secretary
or
Mr
Myers
about
that
I'm
sure
he
will
give
you
the
specifics.
But
this
just
happened
in
the
last
two
years.
If
I
recall
correctly,
my
concerns
are
Traffic
Safety
I'm
not
taking
a
a
position
on
this
either
for
or
against,
but
traffic
safety
is
your
number
one.
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If
you
recall
that
conversation
with
the
group
home
I,
think
those
same
guidelines
and
restrictions
apply
here
and
that's
going
to
be
a
grave
cost
to
of
the
individuals
who
own
the
property,
currently
I'd
like
to
see
some
conditions
added,
that
there'd
be
a
maximum
number
of
children,
they
say
10.
Let's
make
sure
it
doesn't
turn
into
20
or
30.
J
a
condition
for
traffic
safety
measures
be
installed,
whether
it's
a
private
road
or
a
it's.
Definitely
a
road
not
constructed
to
County
Construction
standards,
a
condition
they
remain
fully
licensed
and
if
they
lose
their
license,
they
also
lose
their
conditional
use,
permit
a
condition
that
emergency
response
vehicles
have
a
turnaround,
radius
of
a
fire
ladder
truck
and
proper
fire
engines
to
this
property,
in
a
condition
that
this
approval
of
this
application
must
be
contingent
on
the
roadway
being
corrected.
J
I
just
don't
see,
we
have
the
same
discussion
two
years
ago
with
an
eight-person
group
home
same
exact
condition,
same
exact
circumstances
and
I.
Just
don't
see
how
this
can
push
forward
without
some
type
of
improvements
to
the
roadway
in
some
type
of
capital
investment,
without
that
any
legalities
of
the
easements
that
are
unknown
to
this
day,
I
mean
we
heard
what
the
title
company
gave
the
residents
we
heard.
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All
right,
so
this
is
one
of
the
documents
that
we
have.
This
is
a
recorded
document,
St
Charles
County.
That
shows
the
lots
and
a
50
foot
wide
easement
right
here
along
the
edge.
It's
shown,
hatch
there
and
I
kind
of
boxed
out
the
word
the
number
50
there
just
so
you
can
see
that
also
what
you'll
see
in
your
packet.
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This
just
shows
the
aerial,
so
you
can
get
a
better
bird's
eye
view
of
where
we're
at
here's,
the
the
Sparrow's
Nest
residents
here
and
and
the
neighbor
I
believe
this
is
your
all's
property
here
and
next
to
us
correct.
So
they
come
down
this
road
past
these
buses.
What
not
and
and
come
into
this
this
turnaround
area
here.
So
you
still
see
the
road
back.
That
I
suppose
goes
to
Kevin's
in
the
back.
There's
that
50
foot
wide
easement,
the
neighborhood
to
the
South
residential
subdivision
that
is
that's
currently
being
built
out.
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Yeah,
if
we're
talking
about
the
same
property,
I'm
thinking
of
and
there's
a
really
long,
narrow
strip
of
land
super
long,
narrow
and
a
driveway,
it
goes
back
to
some
Farm
property
for
some
Farm
ground,
that's
totally
surrounded
by
subdivisions
and
it's
somehow
an
island
of
farm,
ground
and
Metal,
and
they
got
a
permit,
maybe
about
a
year
ago
to
regrade
that
put
in
a
pond
or
there's.
There
was
a
pond
there.
At
that
time
the
applicant
stated
categorically
that
they
just
planned
to
farm
that
they
don't
planted
to
develop
it.
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Independent
of
what
we're
doing
here
at
planning
and
zoning,
because
this
set
of
zoning
conceptual
level,
the
fire
department
also
has
to
review
it
and
approve
plans
as
well.
So
the
fire
department
will
require,
what's
called
a
fire
apparatus,
access
road
and
a
lot
of
times.
That
is
the
pavement
plus
a
shoulder.
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So
they
want
to
be
sure
that
if
like
there's
a
car
stalled
out,
they
can
get
around
it
and
they'll
a
lot
of
times
if
it's
not
adequate
with
the
payment,
they'll
also
take
into
account
the
shoulder
they
also
have
to
take
in
sometimes
to
the
existing
conditions,
and
so
there
was
some
mention
about
cutting
the
tree
branches.
That's
another
thing:
they
look
for
this
comes
up
sometimes
with
Wineries,
and
things
like
that
when
you
get
out
in
rural
areas
that
just
don't
have
great,
they
have
just
little
Narrows
things
like
that.
I
guess.
D
My
point
is,
when
you
say
safety
in
terms
of
emergency
response,
the
fire
district
will
I
think
address
that
with
that
fire
apparatus
access
road,
but
in
terms
of
two
cars
passing
I,
think
you
could,
if
you
as
long
as
you
tie
it
back
to
the
conditions,
you
could
require
some
sort
of
passage
for
a
car,
so
someone
could
pull
off
to
the
side
a
little
bit
to
it.
If
you
see
a
car
coming,
there's
a
way
to
pull
off
just
to
the
side.
B
D
Yeah
they'll
also
have
to
get
there's
various
approvals.
They'll
have
to
get
a
license
from
the
state
and,
like
presumably
from
the
county
health
department,
I,
think
the
County
Health
Department
contracts
with
the
state
to
do
inspections
on
their
behalf.
They
have
to
get
approval
from
the
fire
department,
but
those
are
all
independent.
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What
was
referenced
before
was
a
group
home,
and
that
involved
people
sleeping-
and
that
is
that
is
a
big
consideration
anytime.
When
there's
people
sleeping
in
a
house
and
it's
not
a
single
family
residence,
then
the
the
building
codes
want
to
place
sprinklers
in
that
building
I
mean
that's
the
kind
of
default.
In
this
case.
It's
there's
no
night
time,
there's
not
kids
sleeping
overnight,
but
I
will
say
the
kids
are
young.
You
know
zero
of
five,
so
the
building
code
will
take
the
Advent
account
because
kids,
those
children,
don't
have
self-preservation
capabilities.
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Partially,
so
this
is
a
need
that
we
have
identified
in
St
Charles
County,
when
we
opened
initially
the
need
that
we
identified
those
maternity
homes
for
children
or
children
under
18..
That
need
has
been
met
by
other
organizations
now,
and
so
we
are
trying
to
find
a
way
to
meet
a
different
need
in
St,
Charles,
County
and
quality.
Affordable
child
care
is
probably
the
biggest
need
in
the
county,
and
so
we
have
this
facility.
We
have
the
training,
we
have
the
staff,
so
we
decided
to
try
and
meet
that
need.
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Thought
the
fifth
one
is
usually
no
condition
that
you
still
become
active
until
all
conditions
of
approval
have
been
met
in
those
are
the
previous
ones.
This
one
I
think
Robert's
talking
about
what
you're
talking
about
here
is
those
things
have
to
be
satisfied
whether
or
not
we
put
them
in
in
conditions
before
they
can
even
use.
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Frank
on
there,
because
because
you
can't
operate
it
until
that
point,
so
we
could
put
something
in
but
I
think
it's
that
stuff
needs
to
be
met
before
you
even
get
on
there.
So
I
just
think
it
would
be
kind
of
extraneously
I
understand
the
concern,
but
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
met
before
they
can
operate
it.
Okay,
yeah
on
that,
in
terms
of
the
a
couple
things
in
terms
of
the
creating
the
the
roadways
it's
going
to
be
kind
of
hard
because
they
can
do
it
on
their
property.
Y
Y
They
can
request
to
table
it.
We
can't
really
continue
that
on
our
own.
They
can
request
to
continue
it
for
certain
things
that
we
do
like
for
zonings
and
things
that
you
have
concurrence
of
three,
but
in
terms
of
the
cups
it's
they
could
request
to
cut.
If
you
wanted
to
ask
them
to
kind
of
maybe
see
if
they'd
be
willing
to
continue
entertainment
for
one
more
one
meeting
and
then
try
to
work
these
things
out
and
then
come
back
to
the
next
meeting.
That
would
be
fine.
Yeah
would
be
at
their
request.
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I
just
think,
there's
too
many
questions
that
are
going
unanswered,
that
I
I
don't
know
right
now.
I
I
would
probably
be
a
denial
because
I
I,
just
I,
want
to
know
more
about
the
egress
I
want
to
know
more
about.
You
know
the
traffic,
even
if
they
do
have
a
two-lane
road,
I'm
still
increasing.
You
know
30
trips
a
day
and
I
get
your
guys's
point
about
it's.
You
know
it
could
happen
with
a
family
as
well,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
preservation
of
those
three
properties-
I
I,
don't
know.