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From YouTube: St. Charles County Planning and Zoning Meeting 12/20/17
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A
A
Plethora,
rezoning
and
concept
plans
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
will
be
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
The
Commission
will
then
take
a
recommendation
of
applications
which
will
be
submitted
to
the
st.
Charles
County
Council
for
their
final
decision.
The
individual
items
and
bills
for
this
evening's
application
are
scheduled.
We
introduced
at
the
Monday
January
8
2018
county
council
meeting
applications
for
preliminary
plat
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
will
also
be
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
During
the
meeting,
the
vote
on
Plummer
and
Platts
is
final.
A
Only
a
recommendation
for
denial
of
a
pulmonary
plat
would
be
heard
before
the
County
Council.
The
following
documents
are
introduced
as
a
matter
of
record
for
this
evening,
public
hearing
and
regular
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
the
unified
development
ordinance
of
st.
Charles
County,
including
zoning
Maps
the
year
2025
master
plan
for
st.
Charles
County,
which
includes
the
year
2025
future
Land
Use
Plan
map
everyone,
okay,
so
I'm
gonna,
give
you
a
little
road
map.
Well,
first
of
all,
let's
go
ahead
and
open
the
meeting
getting
in
motion.
B
A
A
Commission
then,
has
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
as
a
staff
on
those
on
those
recommendations.
After
the
Commission
is
done
with
that
portion
of
it,
we
go
ahead
and
bring
the
applicant
up.
He
presents
his
application
to
the
Commission.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
at
that
after
the
Afghan
is
finished
and
we've
done
questioning
them,
we
open
it
up
to
the
public.
That's
anybody
in
this
room
can
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
before
this
commission
for
or
against
any
of
these
applications
are
before
us
today.
A
If
you're,
if
you're
going
to
speak,
make
sure
you
thought
a
speaker
card
is
sitting
right
there
and
hand
it
to
Sheila
over
here.
Try
to
keep
your
comments
to
about
three
minutes.
I
see,
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
here
and
a
lot
of
people.
Don't
really
want
to
speak
on
a
couple
of
these
issues.
We
will
then
close.
The
public
hearing
after
everyone's
had
an
opportunity
to
speak,
we'll
bring
the
applicant
back
back
up
and
try
to
address
any
of
the
concerns
and
comments
that
people
have
had
during
the
public
comment.
A
We
then
also
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions
of
the
apathetic
again
and
of
staff
after
that's
closed.
After
that
part,
we
go
ahead
and
close.
We
bring
it
back
before
this
commission
and
we
take
a
vote
on
it.
A
little
bit
of
discussion.
We
take
a
vote
on
it.
Remember
anything
that
happens
tonight
unless
it's
a
denial
of
a
plenary
plat
is
going
to
go
before.
Well
even
a
denial
point.
Reply
is
going
to
go
before
the
County
Council
on
January,
the
8th,
so
mark
your
calendar.
A
A
The
first
rezoning
are
z17
is
silver
been
residential.
Is
the
applicant
LLC.
The
property
owner
is
Isaac
in
Silverman
and
Rosalyn
Silverman
family
trust.
Current
zoning
is
a
agricultural
district.
Five
acre
minimum
lot
size
requested.
Zoning
is
our
our
single-family
residential
district,
three
acre
minimum
lot
size.
The
area
is
thirty,
seven
point:
seven
four
acres
and
it's
located
on
the
west
side
of
Old
Colony
Road,
approximately
275
feet
south
of
rooster,
Ridge
Lane,
and
it's
in
Council
District,
two
staff.
C
All
right,
if
we
could
switch
over
to
the
maps,
you've
already
discussed
the
location
here
of
this
property.
It's
thirty
seven
point:
seven,
four
acres
located
along
Old,
Colony
Road,
most
of
the
development
in
off
of
Old
Colony
Road,
has
to
do
with
residences.
It's
not
an
area,
that's
that's
good
for
farming
or
agricultural
use,
but,
as
you
can
see,
everything
is
zoned
agricultural,
a
lot
of
the
residences
and
and
parcels,
especially
along
that
Old
Colony
subdivision
right
north
of
this
property.
C
Their
acreage
is
not
a
full
five
acres,
so
we
did
find
a
lot
of
three
acre
plus
parcels
in
this
area
and
that
mainly
goes
back
to
the
old
agricultural
zoning
requirement
of
a
three
acre
minimum.
Instead
of
the
five
acre
minimum.
As
you
can
see
from
the
land-use
plan,
though,
this
area
is
calling
for
it
to
be
residential
use
with
a
three
acre
minimum
lot
size
now,
the
applicant.
C
However,
the
applicant
has
indicated
that
they
would
go
to
nine
Lots.
Their
concept
plan
was
a
was
a
nine
lot
subdivision,
so
we're
talking
about
two
additional
Lots,
the
only
other
thing
that
staff
found
with
this
parcel
with
some
issues
with
entrance
and
egress
and
eat
and
off
of
Old
Colony
broad.
But
those
issues
would
be
addressed
during
the
planning
stage.
C
C
This
drawing
is
not
entirely
accurate.
It
can
be
difficult
when
we're
using
a
device
off
of
our
GIS
to
draw
it
is
actually
a
wider
entrance,
and
the
eastern
line
here
is
actually
a
little
bit
further
southeast
on
here.
So
it's
it's
more
of
a
case
like
this
staff
has
gone
out
there
with
a
highway
department
and
they
have
looked
at
at
the
sight.
Distance
I
think
the
speed
limit
is
35
out
there
is
that
right,
Gary,
but
I
think
it's
35
and,
and
they
were
looking,
they
were
able
to
to
address
it.
C
C
E
C
C
E
C
F
A
G
G
A
G
G
The
other
partner
in
the
development
is
mark
Boyer,
who
you
just
brought
up
his
property
he's
at
the
Old
Colony
farm
subdivision
at
3801.
So
he's
the
first
lot
in
the
subdivision.
They
had
this
project
they've
been
talking
about
it
for
years
and
they
wanted
to
do
this
project
because
mr.
Silverman
is
getting
old
he's
in
his
80s
now.
So
the
time
was
right.
So
they
put
a
plan
together
and
came
to
the
county
and
believed
that
they
have
a
good
project
for
this
piece
of
land.
G
Just
to
note
a
couple
things
that
staff
had
mentioned,
they
did
plan
to
do
nine
Lots
for
the
subdivision.
Three
of
those
in
the
back
would
be
five
acre
lots
and
then
the
remaining
six
upfront
would
be
three
acre
lots
a
little
bit
over
three
acres,
so
total
density
would
be
a
little.
You
know
a
little
bit
over
four
acres.
G
You
can
then
do
a
custom
build.
There
is
a
one.
The
design
just
has
one
row
coming
in,
be
a
concrete
private
road
and
it
would
remain
private.
After
you
know,
the
subdivisions
develop
I
think
everything
else
was
covered
by
staff.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
know
you
have
a
big
agenda
this
evening.
Yes,.
D
G
H
I
G
G
Is
between
the
time
that
the
application
was
filed
and
my
engagement
by
the
developer
I
asked
him
to
send
me
a
plan.
It's
not
part
of
the
packet
that
you
received,
but
I
brought
ten
copies
of
it.
Just
because
I
thought.
Someone
may
ask
that
very
question:
it's
not
a
preliminary
plan.
Obviously
it's
just
a
sketch,
but
I
believe
this
is
what
they
showed
the
staff
and
in
coming.
You
know
forward
with
their
plan
of
how
the
staff
got
that
you.
G
G
Usually,
what
the
county
requires
before
the
final
plan
approval
is
that
the
county
also
approved
covenants
and
restrictions
for
the
subdivision.
I
had
asked
someone,
that's
a
frequent
question:
how
are
you
going
to
mandate
that
these
minimums
stay
in
place
and
that's
generally
how
it's
done
you
put
those
into
the
covenants
and
restrictions.
J
G
A
G
D
G
G
A
Any
other
questions
for
the
applicant,
seeing
none
I'll
go
ahead
and
well
yeah.
You
can
take
it
with
you
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
up
to
the
public.
Or
does
anybody
in
the
room
know
wants
to
speak
on
this
matter?
You
can
come
forward
now,
so
just
come
on
up.
Take
you
one
at
a
time,
don't
forget
to
file
that
speakers
card.
Okay,
thanks.
A
K
K
K
You
know
with
the
setbacks
that
you
might
have
at
the
front
of
the
house,
and
then
you
have
the
drop-off
and
back.
It
might
be
hard
to
get
a
system
in
there.
So
that's
why
I
was
thinking
more
of
a
5
acre
lot,
mm-hmm
from
a
septic
and
density
standpoint.
My
other
concerns
is
having
been
out
there.
For
this
time,
the
public
water
supply
system
gets
taxed.
Quite
a
bit-
and
there
have
been
times
when
we've
had
very
low
pressure.
K
That's
even
going
to
tax
the
system
more
so
I'd
want
to
make
sure
that
something
is
done
to
the
water
supply,
to
make
sure
that
we
have
adequate
pressure.
An
adequate
supply,
especially
when
you
get
to
a
planning
standpoint,
whether
they
put
in
a
help
put
in
a
booster
station
or
coordinate
work
with
public
water
supply
district
number
two,
but
those
are
my
major
concerns-
are.
K
They
build
a
pump
station
and
it
was
down
near
the
old
water
plant
and
I
think
there
was
a
little
pointing
finger
between
the
design
and
the
contractor.
I'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
I
have
my
own
thoughts
on
that,
but
they've
got
a
lot
larger
lines
coming
up
along
40
and
over
to
new
Mellie
and
if
they
try
to
back
fetus,
the
line
that
comes
back
from
new
Mellie
that
would
come
to
us
is
so
small
that
you'd
lose
so
much
and
head
loss
that
it
just
doesn't
cut
it.
So.
K
L
K
A
A
M
F
O
E
A
Pud
rezoning
and
concept
plan
request
by
the
resource
Park
Circle
in
highway
40,
the
applicant
is
NT
Home
Builders
LLC,
the
developers,
missouri
bluffs
golf
joint
venture
and
NT
Home
Builders
LLC,
the
property
owners
are
the
curators
of
the
university
of
missouri.
Current
zoning
is
a
agricultural
district
with
floodway
fringe
overlay
district
and
the
requested
zoning
is
our
3b
multi-family
residential
district
with
FF
floodway
fringe
and
PUD
overlay
district.
A
The
area
is
three
hundred
ninety
six
point:
seven
two
acres
and
the
location
is
on
the
south
of
Missouri
research
park,
west
of
highway
64
and
north
of
the
Missouri
River
near
the
city
of
Walden
spring
and
the
town
of
well
in
spring.
Heights
is
in
Council
District.
Two
staff
by
the
way
did
a
lot
of
work
on
this
staff.
So
thank
you.
I.
P
Would
I'd
like
to
cover
some
things,
please
that
aren't
in
the
staff
report
necessarily
so
I?
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
not
really
repeat
everything.
That's
in
the
staff
report,
but
just
cover
some
things
that
some
highlights
I
would
like
for
everyone
to
consider
and
then
also
let
the
audience
know
about
what
is
a
planning
of
development
and
what
the
process
is,
because
it's
actually
there's
multiple
stages
and
we're
at
the
beginning
stage
at
this
point,
but
a
Planned
Unit
development
essentially
is
well.
Let
me
start
go
back
to
a
traditional
zoning,
traditional
zoning.
P
It
provides
like
a
set
of
a
bundle
of
development
rights
to
developers
and
may
be
predictable
for
developers,
but
it's
criticized
sometimes
for
leading
to
cookie
cutter
developments.
They
don't
necessarily
take
into
account
the
land
and
also
another
weakness
or
for
traditional
zoning.
A
lot
of
times
is
that
for
neighbors
they
don't
necessarily
know.
What's
gonna
happen
next
door
like
if
your
property
next
door
is
don't
commercial.
Let's
just
say
you
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like.
P
What's
going
to
be
there,
you
know
that
there's
going
to
be
a
certain
range
of
uses
that
are
going
to
be
there,
but
you
don't
necessarily
know
there's
less
predictability
for
the
neighbors.
What's
interesting
about
a
plan
in
development.
Is
that
right
up
front,
there's
more
flexibility
for
the
developer
and
design,
so
they
can
take
into
account
a
lot
of
times
the
consider
the
land
and
considerations
that
aren't
your
normal
typical,
you
know
flat
land
forms,
but
also
what's
interesting.
P
Having
said
that,
the
process
is
longer
there's
more
interaction,
there's
more
back
and
forth
between
the
public
in
the
developer
and
the
approval
authorities,
there'll
be
the
county
council.
What
I
mean
by
that
is,
there
are
certain
stages
to
plan
your
developments
worth.
What's
called
a
concept
plan
stage
where
we
talk
about
the
the
concept
in
general
terms
and
how
it
relates
to
these
land
uses,
for
instance,
relate
to
neighbors,
and
things
like
that.
P
So
the
concept
plan
is
what
we're
considering
tonight
and
a
zoning
map
amendment
that
would
include
a
zoning
overlay
for
planning
and
development.
It
would
be
a
recommendation
tonight
and
then
it
would
go.
It's
or
you
know
be
a
recommendation
by
this
body
and
then
go
to
the
County
Council
with
assuming
would
be
approved,
rip
that
should
be
approved.
P
Then
they
would
come
back
with
a
final,
more
detailed
development
plan,
the
final
development
plan
and
a
plat,
and
that
really
is
where
you
get
into
a
lot
of
the
details
about
how
the
development
would
really
relate
it.
Specifically,
that
also
would
need
to
go
before
this
body
and
then
the
County
Council,
so
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
all
in
all
there's
about
six,
a
minimum
of
six
public
meetings
that
would
need
to
take
place
before
our
planning
and
development
could
be
approved.
P
So,
in
a
nutshell,
that's
what
a
play
new
development
is
so
we're
talking
tonight
about
the
concept,
and
so
the
concept
before
us
is
I
would
say
it's
a
four
hundred
acre
private
development.
That
includes
a
couple
of
different
uses.
One
is
recreation,
that's
existing!
It's
a
golf
course
and
then
interspersed
around
the
golf
course
and
I
would
say
integrated
with
the
golf
course.
P
There
is
a
single-family,
predominantly
single-family
residential
neighborhood,
but
also
some
multifamily
nodes
kind
of
tucked
in
within
this
neighborhood,
and
so
that
would
entail
about
315
Lots
for
homes
over
about
200
acres,
providing
about
one
and
a
half
dwellings
per
acre
over
that
development
area
and
then
plus
about
seven
acres
for
multifamily.
Now
the
developers
say
they
don't
even
know
exactly
at
this
point,
what
the
form
the
multifamily
would
take,
they're,
not
sure.
P
If
it
would
be
apartments,
it
would
be
attached
townhomes
if
it
would
be
condominiums
so
again
we're
at
the
concept
stage,
but
in
the
end
the
concept
is
to
provide
I
guess
what
I
would
describe
as
a
fairly
low
impact
development
in
that
there
they're
attempting
to
disturb
as
little
land
as
possible.
They
calculate
they
would
need
to
disturb
about
I.
P
It
would
entail
now
having
said
that,
there's
certain
things
that
I
would
suggest
that
you
might
want
to
think
about,
and
one
is
that
there
is
some
concern
with
potential
land
use
conflicts
and
one
would
be
the
DECA
Creek
sewage
treatment
plant
to
the
east,
and
you
might
imagine
that
future
home
sites
that
are
the
closest
to
the
sewage
treatment
plant
there
might
be
some
land
use
conflicts,
particularly
with
with
odor,
sometimes
there's
noise
and
there's
other
considerations
as
well.
The
second
is
the
zolteck
plant
in
the
missouri
research
park.
P
That
could
be
a
concern
as
well,
for
the
homes
backing
up
to
zolteck
I,
don't
know
if
zolteck
I
don't
know
if
zolteck
has
loading
docks
or
not,
but
wherever
there's
homes
that
backup
to
light
industrial
with
loading
docks
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
a
concern
or
not,
but
you
might
keep
that
in
mind.
Also,
there's
been
a
lot
of
concern
expressed
about
the
Katy
Trail
State
Park.
Obviously
this
is
a
huge
asset
for
the
the
region
in
our
community.
P
Specifically
in
this
development
about
eight
of
the
315
single
family,
lots
would
be
as
close
as
200
feet
away
from
the
Katy
Trail.
Now
those
would
be
about
200
feet
away
at
their
closest
point
of
those
Lots,
but
I'd
be
up
a
bluff
more
than
100
feet
tall.
So
as
best
as
I
can
tell
without
a
line
of
sight
study.
I
do
believe,
though,
those
homes
would
be
completely
out
of
the
line
of
sight
for
people
using
the
Katy
Trail.
P
P
Now
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
work
all
out
out
tonight,
necessarily
all
the
steep
grades,
because
that's
going
to
come
at
the
next
phase
of
planning,
but
I
would
say
just
in
terms
of
like
emergency
access
at
some
point,
these
army
private
streets
that
are
going
to
be
icy
and
snow
on
them
and
when
you're
ten
minutes
back
a
ten
minute
drive
on
the
very
back
part
from
the
front
is:
is
that
or
should
that
be
a
consideration
for
this
this
body?
Or
is
it
more
like
a
concern
for
the
buyer?
P
We
do
have
areas,
obviously,
in
the
county
that
are
developed,
which
are
more
than
ten
minutes
away
from
the
nearest
major
roadway,
I
would
say
connectivity
tree
emergency
access,
sidewalks.
What's
interesting
is
they're
proposing
no
sidewalks
in
this
development,
so
people
are
to
get
from
place
to
place.
There
will
be
some
trails
interspersed
throughout
the
development,
but
they're.
Not
they
don't
go
throughout
the
entire
development.
I
should
say
so.
P
You
have
the
exceptional
Katy
Trail
State
Park,
but
you
also
had
Great
Rivers
Greenway,
really
a
wonderful
regional
trail
along
the
along
the
West.
The
one
connection
to
it
is
biased,
Street
crossing
at
the
northwest
corner.
So
anyone
who
lives
in
this
who
would
live
in
this
subdivision
should
it
be
developed
in
order
to
connect
to
that
trail.
They're
gonna
have
to
walk
up
or
get
to
the
very
northwest
corner
of
this
development
and
then
get
onto
the
Great
Rivers
Greenway
of
that
regional
trail.
P
I
totally
understand
that
there's
some
barriers
to
connection
like
there's
the
bluff
along
the
Katy
Trail,
so
it'd,
be
it's
I'm
sure
it's
hard
to
connect
there
along
the
west.
You
have
interstate,
64
and
so
I
realized.
There's
some
there's
some
barriers
to
be
able
to
connect
to
some
some
of
these
for
some
of
these
regional
systems
but
and
then
finally,
another
one
other
consideration
for
you
to
think
about,
and
this
doesn't
have
to
be
answered
tonight,
but
I
think
when
the
final
development
plan
stage
should
I
get
that.
P
To
that
point,
one
of
the
questions
that
the
county
will
need
to
answer
is
I
should
say:
I
should
back
up
and
say
that
University
of
Missouri
Board
of
Trustees
approached
the
county
about
taking
on
research
park
circle
and
research
park
drive
as
public
streets.
The
the
county's
done
an
initial
assessment
of
do
or
do
they
or
do
they
not
meet
the
county's
minimum
standards,
and
so
should
the
county
want
to
proceed
with
that.
P
I
do
believe
that
the
streets
are
going
to
need
to
be
brought
up
to
the
county
standards
and
exactly
what
that
will
entail.
The
the
county
county
highway
department
they're
working
on
that
question
right
now
again,
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
answer
that
tonight,
but
that
that's
also
a
consideration
I
think
that
they
preliminary
plat
and
final
development
plan
stage.
P
See,
let's
see
the
single-family
portion
is
315
Lots
over
two
hundred
acres.
So
that's
one
point:
five,
seven
dwellings
per
acre,
the
seven
acre
multifamily
portion
would
be
developed
at
about
16
units
per
acre.
That's
the
expected,
but
when
you,
when
you
add
up
all
of
the
undeveloped
area
such
as
the
the
golf
course,
if
you
take
that
in
consideration,
it's
a
much
lower
density,
but
I
don't
have
that
number
before
me.
At
the
moment,
okay
I
meant
for.
J
J
P
D
P
I
P
What
the
county
reviews
is
also
going
to
have
to
be
approved
by
the
fire
district
and
they're
gonna
have
to
prove
of
any
plant,
just
like
the
county
would
have
to
approve
any
plant
one
of
the
fire
district
standards.
My
understanding
is,
if
you
have
more
than
100
Lots
in
a
development
has
to
have
at
least
two
entrances
for
fire
access
and.
P
P
A
Q
Q
D
P
A
provision
in
the
zoning
regulations
that
the
County
Council
for
in
the
abandoned
plane
unit
development.
They
could
take
action
to
remove
that
overlay.
Zoning
and
occasionally
that
will
happen.
It's
not
very
often
there
was
some
consideration,
I
think
for
Jackson
estates
PUD
some
years
ago,
but
that
was
able
to
be
revived
and
it's
now
being
completed
now,
Jackson
estates,
it's.
D
F
J
M
M
A
A
S
R
Gentlemen,
mr.
chairman,
thank
you
for
giving
us
a
time
to
present
this
development
to
you.
We
are
very
excited
about
the
development.
It
is
very
unique,
is
very
different.
The
site
is
very
different.
This
is
a
project
that
has
been
in
the
making
for
three
years.
We
spent
three
years
working
with
the
university
to
get
to
the
stage
where
we
can
present
this
publicly
and
work
through
the
st.
Charles
processes.
R
I'm
hopeful
that
we'll
be
able
to
answer
all
your
questions
tonight
and
provide
you
with
assurances
with
respect
to
the
prior,
so
that
you'll
be
able
to
support
it.
First
I'd
like
to
read
a
statement
that
the
University
of
Missouri
has
requested
that
I
read
as
they
could.
They
are
the
owner
of
the
research
of
the
property.
The
Golf
Course
is
ground
least,
and
the
area
outside
of
the
golf
course
is
owned
by
the
university.
R
So
to
the
County
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
having
owned
the
subject,
property
is
part
of
a
larger
tract
of
land
purchased
from
the
United
States
of
America
in
1948.
The
University
is
engaged
with
Greg
Whitaker
of
NT
Home
Builders
in
pursuit
of
the
lands
development
as
a
residential
community
that
will
complement
and
enhance
the
Missouri
research
part
in
collaboration
with
st.
Joe's
County.
R
The
University
introduced
the
concept
of
4064
technology
corridor
and
established
the
Missouri
research
park
in
1985,
which
led
to
15
national
companies
and
two
federal
agencies
really
relocating
to
and
employing
approximately
2,000
people
within
the
park
to
further
the
economic
development
mission.
Mister
Whitaker
and
the
University
of
work
together
to
design
a
single-family
and
multi-family
community
that
upon
the
sale
of
the
land
and
development
by
mr.
Whitaker,
will
enhance
the
housing
options
for
individuals
employed
at
the
in
Missouri
research
park
and
attract
further
investment
in
the
research
park
and
region.
R
That
tract
is
now
known
as
the
Walden
spring
Conservation
Area
in
1993,
the
university
facilitated
development
of
a
championship,
18-hole
de
leafy
public
golf
course
known
as
the
missouri
Bluffs
golf
club,
south
of
the
research
park
2010
the
university
partnered
with
the
Great
Rivers
Greenway
district,
to
develop
a
trail
and
relay
in
facilities
through
the
Missouri
search
part
during
greater
connectivity
and
access
to
the
Katy
Trail
for
use
by
the
research
park,
employees
and
the
public
through
a
purchase
and
sale
agreement.
The
University
of
mr.
R
Whitacre
have
agreed
upon
density
restrictions
and
preservation
requirements
for
the
proposed
development
that
ensure
the
land
is
developed
in
a
responsible
way
that
promotes
the
natural
character
of
the
area
rather
than
detracting
from
it
by
way
of
a
multi-year
master
planning
process
involving
the
University
and
mr.
Whittaker.
The
proposed
development
has
been
designed
to
be
thought
both
thoughtful
and
responsible,
related
to
its
impact
on
Missouri
Research,
Park,
Weldon,
Spring,
Conservation,
Area,
Katy,
Trail
and
the
surrounding
area.
This
reason,
the
University
of
Missouri
system,
is
supportive
of
mr.
R
Whittaker's
application
for
the
subject
property
to
be
rezoning,
a
manner
that
supports
his
development,
the
property
in
a
way
consistent
with
these
considerations,
sincerely
kevin
Hogg
director
of
real
estate,
University
of
Missouri
systems,
so
just
to
orient
you
to
the
site
as
you'll
see
on
your
screen
in
the
middle,
you
can
see
the
outline
of
the
missouri
bluffs,
the
golf
course
and
you
can
see
on
the
right-hand
side
of
the
screen
4064
and
the
bridge
crossing
of
the
Missouri
River.
This
is
Missouri.
R
The
when
we
looked
at
this
development
and
we're
considering
it,
we
did
look
at
other
subdivisions
and
st.
Charles,
and
we
looked
at
other
subdivisions
that
backed
up
to
the
Katy
Trail
they've,
been
approved
by
st.
Charles
County
I'm,
just
going
to
go
through
a
few
of
those.
What
we
notice
would
these
subdivisions?
R
We
were
Canyon,
that's
a
subdivision
which
actually
touches
the
katy
trail,
the
manors
at
Austin
Ridge,
immediately
next
to
the
Katy
Trail
on
the
same
elevation
crest
over
Katy
Trail,
that's
on
a
block,
it's
kind
of
a
cliff
overlooking
Katy
Trail,
but
it's
not
the
the
the
bluff
is
maybe
20
feet
in
high
30
feet
night
and
the
Katy
Trail
is
below
that,
but
the
homes
or
cluster
homes
above
that
and
then
there's
a
large
area.
This
set
aside,
is
green
space.
R
I
mean
the
Woodmere
development
again
as
a
development
that
touches
the
katy
trail
and
also
bluff
for
you
drive,
which
touches
the
Katy
Trail
and
with
all
of
these,
as
you
can
see,
the
houses
are
visible
from
the
Katy
Trail.
That
is
not
our
objective.
We
do
not
want
to
have
a
similar
type
of
development.
I
just
mentioned
those
as
developments
that
happened
alongside
the
King
trail.
R
With
our
plan,
my
intention
is
to
put
the
homes
and
the
development
behind
areas
that
actually
screen
those
homes
from
the
surrounding
area
and
we're
going
to
go
into
greater
detail
of
that
tonight.
So
you
can
see
the
elevations
and
we
have
pictures
that
will
show
you,
those
so
you'll
get
a
better
sense
of
that.
The
development
itself,
as
the
staff
mentioned,
we're
requesting
315
single-family
homes,
we're
requesting
two
areas
of
multifamily
which
are
on
about
seven
acres
of
ground.
R
We
have
not
settled
on
the
form
of
that
multi-family,
yet
that
really
well
come
along
in
a
later
phase
of
the
project.
The
reason
we
were
asking
for
the
our
3b
underlying
zoning
is
simply
because
that
gives
us
flexibility
on
the
multifamily
piece.
We
can
do
villas
our
cluster
homes,
which
are
two
types
of
multifamily
that
are
at
Whitmore,
Country,
Club
or
Wiki
do
apartments
because
that's
also
allowed
in
the
our
3b.
So
those
are
the
options
which
there
are
three
be
a
zoning
gives
us.
R
However,
we
aren't
staying
within
our
3b
we're
doing
an
overlay
and
the
overlay
is
really
what
governs
our
development.
That's
what's
going
to
govern
the
density,
that's
the
real
plan
for
the
development
and
that's
something
that
we
have
to
go
through.
Is
staff
have
mentioned
numerous
approval
processes
when
it
comes
to
the
multifamily
at
such
time
as
that's
being
development
developed
or
proposed
to
be
developed,
we
will
be
back
in
front
of
you
and
seeking
your
approval
for
that.
R
We
can't
just
go
ahead
and
do
that
and
we're
very
mindful
of
that
when
the
the
site
itself
is
challenging,
you
have
a
lot
of
extreme
typography.
In
fact,
when
this
development
concept
was
first
being
discussed-
and
you
know,
Greg
Whittaker
wasn't
entirely
sure
that
the
development
would
be
even
be
feasible,
so
he
enlisted
the
services
of
a
developer
who
develops
down
the
Branson
area,
he's
very
familiar
with
this
type
of
typography
and
they
went
and
walked
the
site
for
a
full
day
and
he
came
up
with
an
initial
plan.
He
said
this
can
work.
R
This
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
we've
done
in
the
Branson
area.
Picker
and
Silver's.
Familiar
with
that,
because
they've
done
development
work
down
in
the
Branson
area,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
concept
plan
that
started
out.
We
have
339
homes
in
that
plan.
Obviously
we
don't
have
that
today,
we
have
315
is
what
we're
proposing
to
you.
So
the
development
plan
has,
as
we've
gone
through
as
a
result
in
less
homes.
As
we
take
in
items
out,
there
have
been
some
questions
raised
about
sanitary
sewers.
R
We've
seen
that
in
letters
do
we
have
adequate?
This
is
the
Duquette
Creek
plant
have
adequate
capacity
to
handle
this
development.
We
are
assured
they
do.
The
dirty
Creek
facility
is
immediately
adjacent
to
our
property.
We
will
be
able
to
gravity
flow
to
the
Duck
Creek
facility
from
phase
a
and
then
the
other
utilities
will.
R
The
other
sanitary
sewers
will
work
with
Duck
Creek
in
terms
of
those
connections,
either
with
grinder
pump
system
such
as
our
our
in
wind
castle
or
with
forest
mains
of
gravity,
depending
on
what
the
improvement
plans
call
for
so
that'll
be
a
process.
We
work
closely
with
Duquette
Creek
on,
but
in
terms
of
capacity.
There's
no
question,
but
the
Duquette
Creek
plant
has
the
capacity
to
handle.
E
R
Sewage
that
will
be
generated
from
the
site.
We've
also
thought
about
the
stormwater.
With
respect
to
this
property.
We
are
immediately
next
to
the
river,
and
so
the
stormwater,
we
don't
have
a
below
us
we're
going
to
flow
directly
into
the
river,
so
concerns
that
you
would
have
about
something
upstream
flowing
onto
another
subdivision
to
another
subdivision
are
not
present
here.
R
So
the
what
what
the
goal
in
terms
of
your
stormwater
design
will
be
get
the
water
out
and
into
the
Missouri
River
more
quickly,
as
opposed
to
holding
it
back
and
creating
adverse
conditions
in
that
manner,
and
Doug.
Doug
can
certainly
address
that
in
more
detail.
If
you'd
like
him
to
do
so
with
respect
to
the
density
of
this
project,
it
is
not
dense,
given
the
overall
size,
it's
a
foreigner
taker
project.
Our
density
is
basically
one
home
per
acre.
R
When
you
include
the
golf
course,
if
you
leave
the
golf
course
out,
we're
basically
a
staff
said
one
and
a
half
homes.
So
a
hat
we're
a
half
acre
lot.
Zoning,
if
you
take
that
out,
and
so
the
density
on
this
site
is
purposely
being
held
down,
because
we
believe
that's
appropriate
for
this
site.
This
question
asked
about
the
golf
course
that
is
subject
to
a
long
term
ground
lease.
R
A
R
R
It
is
a
ten
million
dollar
investment
and
they
are
very
mindful
of
what's
going
on
with
this
development
and
what's
proposed
and
that
nothing
that
happens
with
this
development
impair
that
investment,
because
that's
something
that
is
a
long
term
investment
that
they
are
going
to
remain
committed
to
as
part
of
the
lease
with
the
University
of
Missouri.
It
must
be
a
public
golf
course.
I
think
that
was
a
question
that
had
been
raised
in
one
of
the
letters
that
I
saw
as
well.
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
I
addressed
that
also.
R
This
is
a
concept
plan
that
was
originally
developed
for
the
property.
The
you
know,
they've
been
refinements
from
it,
but
basically
this
gives
you
the
general
idea
of
what
we're
doing
the
perimeters
of
the
site
with
respect
to
the
trees
are
being
preserved,
with
leaving
those
alone
we're
going
to
get
into
the
slopes
and
talk
about
that.
If
the
developments
taking
place
in
this
more
interior
area
on
the
site,
this
lake,
it
currently
exists,
is
remaining
undisturbed.
We're
not
doing
anything
with
respect
to
that
lake.
R
This
area
here
is
an
area
that's
along
4064,
and
it
will
not
be
disturbed.
Neither
will
this
area
it's
not
part
of
our
project,
but
this
area
is
being
set
aside.
It's
about
11,
acre
area
as
a
non
disturbance
area.
One
of
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
from
folks
is
that
they're
going
to
come
across
the
bridge
and
they're
going
to
see
a
bunch
of
houses
and
that's
going
to
change
that
view
as
you
come
across
on
4064,
so
we're
making
sure
it
doesn't
happen
by
preserving
that
area
along
4064
and
leaving
that
alone.
R
R
We
have
a
seven
year,
takedown
with
the
University
of
Missouri
under
our
contract.
We
anticipate
the
build-out
of
this
project
at
the
earliest
would
be
twelve
years,
probably
more
like
15
years.
I
can
tell
you
what
more
wasn't
fully
built
out.
It
took
twenty
years.
What
more
is
690
Welling
Senate
on
about
the
same
amount
of
acreage,
so
the
density
of
Whitmore
and
this
would
be
roughly
equivalent
and
that
took
twenty
years.
What
more
was
a
lot
of
custom
home
builders,
and
that
is
the
concept
at
this
point
with
respect
to
this
development?
R
Is
that
you
have
a
lot
of
custom
homes
and
in
particular
we
think
that
will
happen,
because
this
site
is
challenging.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
topography,
there's
a
lot
of
grade,
and
so
it's
different
than
what
you
would
see,
and
you
know
you
attract
subdivision
or
what's
happened
to
the
Golden
Triangle
that
kind
of
thing,
and
so
we
expect
that
we'll
then
also
the
Lots
being
heavily
wooded.
We
think
that's
going
to
attract
a
lot
more
custom
home
builders
who
are
excited
about
that.
R
The
question
is
raised
about
our
phasing
and
how
we're
going
to
handle
traffic
to
make
sure
that
we
complied
with
the
fire
department
regulations.
We
are
providing
for
two
entrances
to
the
site,
we're
going
to
start
with
the
entrance
at
the
top
of
your
screen.
That
is
where
that
kind
of
node
of
roads
coming
together
and
that
will
be
our
entrance
into
phase
a
which
is
the
area
in
yellow
and
then
and
phase
B,
which
there
in
blue
we'll
start
there.
R
When
we
reach
a
hundred
homes
that
will
we
will
then
stop
so
whatever
we
plat.
If
it
reaches
a
hundred
homes,
we
then
stop
and
we'll
go
over
to
the
east,
and
we
have
a
second
entrance
coming
off
of
where
the
clubhouse
is
so.
Two
separate
entrances
into
the
project,
as
is
required
by
the
Fire
District
regulations,
will
develop
along
that
eastern
spine,
for
you
know,
Hunter
Lots,
and
then
at
that
point
we
will
connect
the
roads.
R
So
we
have
connectivity
throughout
the
development
because
we
understand
that's
a
requirement
and
we
are
going
to
obviously
abide
by
it
because
fire
department-
it
is
a
regulation,
so
we've
planned
for
that
and
that's
how
we
will
handle
that
access
with
respect
to
the
tree
preservation
on
the
site.
We
are
doing
a
lot
of
things
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
grade
this
site
in
a
traditional
manner
when
you
do
a
traditional
subdivision
and
you
have
to
create
50
foot
wide
rights
away
and
streets
that
are
26
feet
of
pavement.
R
That
causes
a
lot
of
grading.
It
also
creates
a
design
speed
of
those
roads
of
40
to
50
miles
an
hour
depending
that's
really
fast.
We
don't
want
to
have
that
happen.
We
want
to
control
traffic
and
the
best
way
to
control
traffic
is
on
your
street
design.
We
have
done
this
in
some
other
subdivisions
where
the
street,
where
the
streets
have
been
20
feet
of
pay
I,
know
you're
asking
that
question.
They
worked
very
well
in
terms
of
controlling
traffic
we've
compared
those
subdivisions
to
traditional
subdivisions
and
noted.
How
do
people
drive?
R
What's
the
speed
and
those
subdivisions
we
compared
Whitmore
to
Newton
and
the
traffic
in
those
two,
we
put
traffic
cameras
down,
we
put
speed
signs
speed,
you
know,
controls
down
to
see
what
people
are
driving
and
what
more
it
was
around
40
to
45
in
new
town
is
around
20.
That's
why
we
want
the
narrower
street
in
terms
of
controlling
traffic.
We
know
it
works.
The
other
reason
that
we
want
to
do.
That
is
because
we
don't
want
to
grade
the
site
extensively.
That's
really
important
to
preserve
this
site.
R
That
is
a
design
principle
for
this
site.
So
if
you
look
at
that
tree
preservation
map
the
areas
in
gray
along
the
roads,
that's
the
area
that
we're
grading
we're
not
planning
to
grade
beyond
that
other
than
what
would
be
necessary
to
put
a
home
in
on
a
particular
lot.
But
the
result
of
the
development
grading,
which
is
what
the
county
ordinance
focus,
is
on
15%
of
the
site.
R
The
overall
site
is:
what
will
you
be
grading
if
you
take
out
the
golf
course
and
say:
hey
that
doesn't
count
we're
only
gonna
look
at
there
you're
developing
then
we'd
be
grading,
twenty-nine
percent
of
the
site.
We
think
that
we
should
get
credit
for
the
golf
course.
It
is
part
of
our
development
and
it's
a
set-aside
green
space,
just
the
same
as
the
crust
over
KT
trail
or
cluster
home
development.
But
those
are
our
numbers
in
terms
of
grading
and
in
terms
of
the
treaty
areas.
R
We
also
looked
at
the
forested
areas
and
we
said
how
much
of
the
treat
areas
and
forest
canopy
are.
We
removing,
and
that
amount
is
only
twenty
three
percent
of
the
area
containing
trees.
So,
as
a
result,
seventy
seven
percent
of
the
of
the
forested
area
is
remaining
untouched
on
this
site
and,
and
those
are
pretty
significant
numbers-
that's
not
something
that
you
would
see
in
a
typical
development
and
we're
achieving
that
really
by
virtue
of
some
things,
we're
doing
the
street
design.
R
When
I
mentioned
two
things
about
the
project
that
are
important
as
well
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen-
this
says,
know
these
corn
and
that's
a
mistake.
It
should
say
southeast
corner
I
apologize
for
that,
we'll
get
the
slide
corrected
for
the
next
meeting,
but
that
is
the
Arial
on
forty
sixty
one
and
a
forty.
Sixty
four
we've
outlined
that
in
red,
that's
roughly
in
eleven
and
a
quarter
acre
tractor
ground
that
will
not
be
disturbed.
R
That
is,
that
area
that
we're
leaving
alone
there
will
be
no
grading,
no
kind
of
land
disturbance
in
that
area
at
all
the
area
on
the
Left,
which
is
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site.
Again,
the
slide
is
incorrect
in
that
that's
not
part
of
our
development.
That
is
the
area
that
that
contains
that
spur
trail
to
the
Katy
Trail.
R
Coming
off
of
Duck
Creek,
and
when
we
did
the
legal
description
for
the
zoning,
we
took
the
legal
description
the
university
gave
us
of
all
of
the
land
they
owned,
and
this
track
was
included
in
that
when
we
did
our
plan,
we
didn't
include
that
track.
We're
not
buying
that
tract,
so
it's
carved
out
and
not
part
of
our
development.
It
is
not
part
of
our
development.
I
will
be
if
we
receive
a
favorable
recommendation.
R
The
letter
has
already
prepared
submitting
a
letter
to
the
County
Council,
asking
that
the
legal
description
be
amended
to
remove
that
acreage
from
the
rezoning,
because
it's
not
part
of
our
development
will
have
no
impact
on
that
and
our
plan
doesn't
show
us
as
impacting
it.
We
also
just
want
to
make
clear
that
we're
not
rezoning
it
either.
So
that's
something
that
we'll
do
to
clear
that
up.
R
I
think
that
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
were
receiving
some
letters
talking
about
our
impacting
the
Katy
Trail,
because
we
thought
we
were
going
to
be
doing
something
with
this
spur
trail
that
that
was
part
of
our
development
and
I.
Just
want
categor
categorically
clear
that
up
that
it
is
not
part
of
our
development
and
we're
not
going
to
be
impacting
that
spur
trail.
We
are
also,
incidentally,
a
hundred
feet.
R
There
are
the
Lots
that
back
up
in
its
portrayal,
there
are
a
hundred
feet
above
it
there's
a
hundred
feet
of
fall
between
the
Lots
in
the
western
side
of
the
element
going
down
to
that
spur
trail.
So
it's
it's
some
pretty
severe
relief.
So
this
is
the
property
it's
not
being
developed
in
this
project.
This
is
that
11
acre
area
that
I
talked
about
and
what
you
can
see
I
took
these
pictures
this
morning
you
can
see
that's
40,
64
and
that
hill
and
no
land
in
the
back
of
the
picture.
R
R
So
when
you
on
the
key
trailer
at
a
440
foot
elevation
our
development,
those
Lots
along
the
but
the
bottom,
there
they're
at
a
six
hundred
to
six
hundred
and
fifteen
foot
elevation,
so
the
Katy
Trail
is,
you
know,
substantially
below
them
at
least
160
feet.
So,
roughly
a
14
story.
Building
below
that
and
below
that.
The
again,
if
you
look
along
4064
what
you'll
notice
that
elevation,
the
blue
there
that's
roughly
at
about
a
590
foot
elevation
and
then
it's
going
down
to
where
that
or
that's
in
the
440
foot
elevation.
R
So
those
are
the
lots,
those
the
backs
of
those
lots
and
lots
in
the
street
are
below
that
elevation
of
that
hill
on
4064.
So
you
know,
as
a
result,
Plus
that
Hill
is
heavily
wooded.
Trees
are
as
much
as
50
feet,
high
we're
fairly
confident
that
there's
not
going
to
be
visual
impact,
as
you
come
up,
come
across
the
bridge
and
as
you're
looking
across
to
the
development.
R
Nor
will
you
be
able
to
see
this
development
if
you're
on
the
Katy
Trail,
for
the
same
reasons
that
we're
over
talked
about
your
angle,
isn't
going
to
work
and
I'll?
Give
you
some
more
detail
with
respect
to
that
Katy
Trail
is
a
hundred
and
seventy-five
feet
from
the
development
in
one
place,
155
feet
from
these
Lots
that
are
up
on
the
cliff
and
then
685
feet
from
the
development
as
you
move
to
the
east
that
ground
that
those
arrows
are
pointing
to
that's.
Department
of
Conservation
ground
not
owned
by
the
University
of
Missouri.
R
So
with
respect
to
elevation
the
elevation,
a
a
that
cross
section
you
can
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
is
the
highway.
It's
basically
a
550
foot
elevation,
there's
a
hill
that
goes
up.
That
was
the
hill
I've
been
showing
you
pictures
of
that's
undisturbed,
common
ground
that
goes
up
to
about
elevation
of
585
feet
or
so
and
then,
obviously
there
are
trees
above
that
that
are
fully
mature
trees,
4050
feet
in
height
and
then
that
undisturbed
common
ground
slopes
off
severely.
R
Our
property
line
is
roughly
a
490
foot
elevation,
so
you've
dropped
down
substantially
and
then
it'll
come
back
up
and
then
there's
our
proposed
road.
That
is
at
a
roughly
of
five
hundred
and
twenty
five
hundred
thirty
foot
elevation.
So
as
a
result,
those
homes
that
part
of
the
development
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
seen
from
forty
sixty
four
they
are.
These
are
pictures
again
a
what
do
you
see
when
you
enter
st.
Charles
as
you're
driving
on
forty
sixty
four?
R
This
is
what
you
would
view
as
you
drive
along
and
as
you
leave
the
research
park
and
you
go
east
from
research,
Park
Drive.
This
is
the
view,
and
these
are
the
that
you
would
sees
your
driving
away
now.
I
think
again,
what's
important
is
if
you
look
in
the
back
behind
those
the
trucks
and
the
cars?
That's
at
undisturbed
area
so,
which
is
going
to
remain
and
not
be
impacted
at
all,
with
respect
to
the
cross-section
B
B,
which
is
from
the
Katy
Trail,
the
one
that
was
the
furthest
east
again.
R
What
you're
seeing
is
the
Katy
Trail
down
in
a
four
hundred,
sixty
foot
elevation
and
then
art
development
doesn't
start
our
property
line
until
about
a
four
hundred
and
seventy
foot
elevation,
then
we
go
up
a
slope
to
about
a
five
hundred
and
fifteen
foot
elevation
and
then
behind.
That
is
a
proposed
road.
So
again,
this
is
something
set
back
a
significant
distance,
and
this
is
what
you
see
that
is
Missouri
Department
of
Conservation,
ground
and
I
was
on
that
today.
That's
the
ground,
basically,
where
the
slopes
severely
drops
off.
R
R
This
is
the
cross-section
see
see
that
shows
the
view
from
the
Katy
Trail
to
the
top
of
our
development,
those
those
eight
Lots
that
you
saw
on
the
plan.
Those
are
at
a
six
about
615
elevation,
600
foot,
elevation,
Katy
trails
down,
and
what
about
a
four
hundred
and
sixty
foot
elevation?
It's
about
a
hundred
and
forty
feet
of
drop
again
about
a
14
story.
R
We
don't
believe
with
the
angle
that
we're
even
going
to
be
visible
there
from
the
Katy
Trail
I'd
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
street
design
and
Doug
is
going
to
spend
time
with
that
again,
it's
a
very
important
part
of
our
development
in
terms
of
the
street
design.
We
did
look
at
some
approved
IDEs.
For
this
a
shto
is
the
Bible
for
street
design.
It's
the
highway
transportation
organization
that
comes
up
with
Street
designs
for
roadways.
R
They
have
a
design
criteria
as
well
for
again
areas
that
you'd
see
like
this,
so
that
we
designed
the
streets
meeting
those
criteria
now
that
will
result
in
some
changes
in
terms
of
radius
of
curves
street
slopes
and
something
called
the
K
value
which
Doug
will
understand
and
can
certainly
share
with
you
and
we'll
walk
you
through
that
again
behind
this
is
to
hold
the
design
speed
to
around
20
miles
an
hour.
So
duggle
like.
A
J
R
E
R
Research
park
circle
and
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
mention
that
I
think
was
a
little
bit
unclear
and
what
staff
had
presented
to
you
is
the
what
the
university
has
presented
in
their
petition
to
the
county
to
transfer
jurisdiction
of
the
research
park,
circle
and
research
park
dry.
That's
really
independent
of
this
development.
They
plan
to
do
that
regardless
and
to
make
those
public
streets
chairman
asked.
Are
they
going
to
bring
those
up
to
county
standards
absolutely
and
they
have
to
do
that?
R
They
understand
that
and
so
they're
going
through
a
process
now
with
county
highway,
to
identify
any
deficiencies
in
those
streets,
they're
30
year
old
streets.
So
they
recognized.
We
had
a
meeting
last
night
at
the
missouri
bluff,
so
the
number
of
the
tenants
other
the
university
put
together
so
that
we
could
talk
to
tenants
of
the
research
park
and
trying
to
understand
their
concerns,
and
we
talked
about
those
streets
in
the
university
said
we're
moving
forward
with
this.
R
We
want
to
get
these
streets
brought
up
to
county
standards
and
finalize
them,
so
they're
meaningless
standards
and
ask
the
county
to
accept
those
for
public
maintenance,
but
that's
something
that
we
before
the
council.
It's
not
part
of
this
application,
but
is
our
anticipation
that
they
will
be,
except
as
part
of
the
public
domain.
Okay,
just
screams.
R
Those
will
be
private,
and
so
the
homeowners
association
will
maintain
those
which
is
similar
to
a
number
of
other
developments
that
we've
been
involved
in
and
any
part
that's
a
function
of
our
choosing
to
debuff
design
these
streets
and
Amino
that's
different
than
a
public
street.
We
are
designing
his
wife,
we're
not
flattening
them
out
as
much
and
so
we're
not
turning
those
over
to
the
county.
We
understand:
that's
not
the
County
criteria
for
that,
so
those
will
remain
maintained
by
the
homeowners
association.
J
E
R
Well,
anticipate
the
county
will
inspect
them.
We
anticipate
that
we
will,
in
terms
of
the
the
street
construction
itself
in
terms
of
rock
base
and
concrete
or
asphalt
we're
gonna
meet
the
county
standards.
Did
you
not
want
to
design
install
Street,
there's
a
development
that
and
I
could
see
the
name
of
its
western
st.
Charles
County
were
the
they
were
growl
streets
and
the
developer
put
a
light,
asphalt
overlay
on
it
and
it
was
a
mess
because
they
just
tore
it
up.
We're
not
going
to
do
that.
It's
absolutely.
R
R
M
E
R
To
get
to
the
Katy
I
I
also
don't
see
really
difficult,
it's
possible.
If
the
conservation
department
on
the
far
east
allowed
something
to
be
a
trail
to
put
in
it's
possible,
you
could
do
that,
but
that
topography
is
pretty
severe.
I
know
you
can't
do
it
for
most
of
our
southern
boundary.
Just
because
it's
really
it's
cliff
the
area
on
the
west.
You
know
to
the
spur
trail
again
we're
not
planning
that
we
know
that
you
know
we're
really
sensitive
to
this
issue
and
we
understand
their
people
on
both
sides
of
it.
R
I
believe
Great,
Rivers,
Greenway,
I
think
it's
their
trail,
I
think
they're.
Once
you
put
it
in,
we
would
be
more
than
happy
to
talk
with
them
and,
if
it's
their
desire
that
we
figure
out
some
way
to
connect
to
it
happy
to
have
those
discussions.
But
at
this
point
it's
not
our
property
and
we're
not
including
that
in
the
development,
but
we're
certainly
open
to
the
conversation,
but
in
terms
of
something
that
we're
doing
and
proposing
here
tonight
to
impact
that
trail.
S
Evening,
I'm
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
about
streets,
we've
talked
about
it
several
times
about
the
trees,
so
I'm
not
gonna,
hit
much
on
that.
But
what
we
are
proposing
to
do
is
they
are
gonna,
be
private
streets.
We
are
going
to
request
a
number
of
waivers
from
the
standards
we're
going
to
request
it
right
away
to
be
reduced
from
42
feet
to
30
feet.
We're
also
requesting
that,
like
the
radiuses
on
curves
be
reduced
to
a
hundred
and
fifty
feet
were
requesting
the
that
pavement.
S
When
we
have
a
20
foot
wide
pavement
we're
going
to
have
five
foot
shoulders
on
those
pavements.
We
are
not
going
to
have
curb
and
gutter
curving
gutters
the
water's
going
to
shut
off
the
street
and
go
to
ditches,
and
then
it
will
go
between
the
houses
down
the
slopes
because
most
of
these
roads,
as
you
see,
run
along
the
ridges
that
are
existing
out
there.
So
we
will
have
a
road
that
will
be
graded
and
we
have
a
corridor
for
that
road.
S
We've
asked
for
a
15
foot
setback
from
the
right
away
for
our
homes,
so
our
homes
are
going
to
be
located.
Very
close
to
the
close
to
the
roadway,
and
that
is
to
keep
the
homes
up
there,
so
they
are
not
down
in
the
bottom
of
the
Lots
they're,
not
disturbing
the
trees
or
staying
up
close
to
the
roadways.
We
will
have
garage
setbacks
that
are
greater
than
that,
so
it
will
allow
parking
in
driveways
that
we'll
be
able
to
park
on
the
road
or
parking
the
driveways
and
won't
be
a
conflict
with
the
roadways.
S
So
we
are
gonna
have
homes
that
are
going
to
be
closer
to
the
road
and
therefore
that
preserves
a
lot
of
those
trees
keeps
everything
tight,
keeps
our
speeds
down.
We're
also
going
to
be
doing
asking
for
reduced
cul-de-sacs
from
55
to
45
feet.
We
are,
we
are
going
to
have
additional
we've
got
areas
designated
that
I'll
show
you
later.
We've
we've
marked
about
a
hundred
and
seventy
six
areas
that
we're
gonna
designate
for
guest
parking.
Those
are
parallel
areas
that
we
put
alongside
the
road
you'll
see
them
later
in
the
plan.
R
M
R
Than
your
setback
under
your
zoning
code
so
anytime
that
we
have
a
front
entry
garage,
we're
gonna
require
that
garage
to
be
setback
25
feet.
We
may
have
instances
where
we
have
side
entry
or
rear
entry
garages
and
that's
not
going
to
be
the
same
issue,
but
you
know
we're
mindful
of
what
we
had
discussed
the
other
day.
So
those
it
will
be
a
requirement.
Then
you
kind
of
front
entry
garage
we're
pushing
for
that
back
25
feet
which
would
exceed
you
know,
meet
or
exceed
the
county
requirement.
Well,.
D
We
just
talked
about
that.
I
just
took
some
measurements,
so
we
can
visualize
this
from
that
wall
to
that
wall,
exactly
42
feet
and
the
first
anticipated
waiver.
You
wanted
to
go
from
from
the
current
ordinance
from
42
to
30
feet,
so
that
would
be
from
house
to
house.
Is
that
how
I
read
that?
No?
No.
S
S
D
R
Are
if
you
would
go
to
older
communities
if
you
went
to
Webster
gross
or
Kirkwood,
those
are
20
foot
wide
strands,
and
you
know
the
26
foot
wide
pavement
as
a
stream
that
didn't
become
the
design
until
the
interstate
highway
system
went
in.
That
really
was
not
used.
What
happened
was
they
put
in
the
interstate
highway
system
in
the
local
engineers
so
well
gee?
This
is
great
traffic
really
flows.
We
want
that
for
our
local
streets.
Now.
What
happens
when
you
do?
R
Well,
we
know
it's
worked
well
in
older
communities.
We
do
agree
that
guest
parking
is
an
issue
which
is
why
we're
adding
those
guest
parking
spaces
throughout
the
development.
I
think
that
is
important
and
we
do
understand
the
concern
about
having
these
cars
not
have
a
deep
enough
driveway,
so
in
that
furniture
garage
know
we're
pulling
it
deeper
to
achieve
that
and.
S
To
address
your
question
on
narrow
streets,
new
town
has
a
lot
of
very
narrow
streets
that
use
that
are
used
to
slow
the
traffic
and
just
as
stated
before,
those
traffic
speeds
are
much
less
than
typical
subdivisions
with
with
the
streets
that
they
have.
That
is
our
goal.
We're
going
to
be
posting
these
streets
at
20
miles
per
hour.
We're
gonna
have
tighter
roads.
We're
gonna
have
slopes
that
go
up
to
15%
and
all
these
things
together
are
gonna
work
to
slow
the
traffic
down.
What.
Q
H
Q
If
they're
driving
out
through
this
subdivision
to
get
to
the
road
to
get
to
work
in
the
morning,
it
seems
to
me
like,
like
you're,
giving
up
a
lot
for
for
the
ecological
benefit
of
saving
all
the
trees.
But
but
it's
gonna
create
a
lot
of
problems
for
people.
I
just
think
it's
gonna
create
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
difficult
for
people
to
get
in
and
out
and
move
around
into
subdivisions
right.
R
We
want
it
to
be
uncomfortable
for
them
to
drive.
We
do
because,
if
you
make
it
comfortable
and
they're
on
a
15,
15
percent,
slow
they're
gonna
hit
somebody
if
we
make
it
if
we
pull,
if
we
have
houses
close
to
the
road
and
you
have
trees
close
to
the
road,
that
is
something
that
traffic
studies
repeatedly
show
people
slow
down
the
city
of
New
York.
R
The
street
commissioner
of
the
city
of
New
York,
is
a
really
good
book
about
I,
read
a
lot
of
traffic
books
and
why
I'm
interested
in
the
subject,
I
read:
shiri
designed
all
the
streets
in
New
York
to
slow
down
traffic
change
the
way
traffic
flowed
and
make
it
flow
better.
She
didn't
make
them
wider.
She
made
a
mirror
and
so
I
understand
the
thinking,
but
with
it
with
the
topography
in
this
development,
we
don't
want
to
create
streets
that
are
going
to
be
something
that
people
are
gonna
drive
quickly
on.
R
E
Why
we're
doing
this
time?
We
keep
encouraging
our
residents
to
get
out
and
walk
more
and
and
bike,
and
do
all
those
things
and
everything
that
we're
saying
about
this
development
is
Drive
to
go,
see
your
neighbor,
because
it's
not
gonna
be
I.
Don't
know
that
I
didn't
want
to
be
walking
on
these
streets,
that
I.
R
Get
I
thought
about
having
curves
yeah
I
thought
about
that,
and
if
that's
something
you
know
it's
something
we
can
look
further.
We
obviously
looked
at
the
guest
parking
in
more
detail
and
you
know
I
heard
that
concern
I
can't
tell
you.
Obviously
we
didn't
put
it
into
this
plan,
but
looking
at
ways
to
try
and
create
more
pedestrian
connectivity,
I
think
is
a
is
a
good
suggestion.
So
at
this
point
we're
still
kind
of
in
a
concept
stage.
As
you
know,
Robert
noted,
but
that's
something
that
you
know.
If
that's
the
Commission's
desire.
E
R
Mean
I,
you
know,
I
think
it's
a
good.
You
know.
Obviously
you
know
we're
thinking
about
that.
Let
us
go
back
and
look
at
it
and
I
understand
the
concern
and
obviously,
as
we've
been
working
through
and
hearing
different
things,
who've
been
trying
to
adapt
to
change
things,
that's
something
that
I
get
it.
So,
let's
go
back
and
look
after
you're
out
some
ways.
I
may
be
able
to
help
achieve
that.
Doug.
D
And
Brad
had
maybe
something
to
consider
since
it's
a
more
narrow
road
as
putting
rumble
strips
either
on
the
perimeter
and
one
in
the
center
I.
Don't
know
how
many
people
drive
roads
out
here,
but
there's
always
somebody
that
has
a
fear
of
getting
over
to
the
edge
and
you're
driving
down
the
road
and
the
cars.
And
you
know
a
head-on
with
wide
rows
and
I
know
some
of
the
roads
that
mr.
Ullman
was
instrumental
putting
on
being
Doubleday
in
the
rumble
rumble
strips.
D
M
N
Look
at
that
interesting
topography,
Innsbruck!
If
you
go
through
there,
you
see
how
they
handle
it.
Big
painted,
yellow
speed,
bump
they've
got
it
figured
out
you're
coming
around
a
corner
and
you're
gonna
be
picking
up,
speed
going
downhill
and
they
strategically
place
them
to
slow
down
the
traffic
along
with
a
lot
of
encouraging
signs,
like
you
know,
you're
here,
to
relax,
subtle
and
speed,
bumps
really
do
it.
Those
are
serious
speed
bumps
out
there
yeah.
S
Additionally,
I
want
to
say
that
that
we
noted
this
development
is
gonna,
be
happening
over
a
long
time
period,
we're
only
expecting
20
or
30
homes
per
year.
So
so
you
can
see
this
is
not
going
to
be
rapid
development.
It's
gonna
be
a
fairly
slow
development.
It's
gonna
happen
in
10
to
20
years.
That's
that's
real
important
to
understand
how
this
is
going
to
develop
and
then
also
how
the
traffic
is
going
to
come
from
that
and
I'm
gonna
speak
a
little
bit
about
the
traffic.
Also
we've
talked
very
much
about
the
Katy
Trail.
S
S
A
D
R
A
R
So
this
would
be
an
image
of
the
streets.
It's
kind
of
baller
that
we'd
be
looking
at
see
the
houses
close
to
the
street
and
the
trees
close
to
the
street.
We're
talking
about
why
that
is
the
guardrails
that
we're
going
to
put
in
will
not
be
metal
or
highway
department
type
guardrails
that
we
would
they
specifically
make
a
product
like
that
for
use
in
traffic
for
traffic
and
so
that'll
be
the
type
of
guardrail
we
put
in.
Is
it's
a
very
natural
look
and
that's
what
we
want
to
achieve
this
development.
R
The
retaining
walls
will
all
be
this
kind
of
stone.
The
natural
stone,
we're
not
gonna
need
concrete,
retaining
walls
or
some
kind
of
Roman
stone,
or
anything
like
that
so
again,
trying
to
create
a
very
natural
look
for
this
development
infrastructure
details.
The
extent
that
we're
talking
about
bridges.
This
is
the
kind
of
bridge
we're
looking
at
it's
something.
It's
gonna
span
a
water
area,
Creek
area,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
some
some
different
kinds
of
designs.
Very
much,
not
traditional
your
light.
R
S
This
particular
slide
shows
the
locations
where
we're
asking
for
K
values.
Less
than
25
I
won't
spend
much
time
on,
but
you
can
see
where
we're
we're
we're
requesting
that
this
is
a
slide
to
chose
where
we'll
have
centerline
radiuses
less
than
hundred
and
fifty
P,
and
then
this
slide
shows
where
we're
gonna
have
roadway
slopes
that
are
greater
than
8%
on
that
on
the
road.
This
is
our
typical
cold,
the
sector
I
discussed
and
what
we're
proposing
to
be
in
there.
You
have
this
in
your
packet.
M
S
R
R
Raised
about
golf
cart
crossings.
That
was
something
one
of
the
commissioners
had
asked
me
about,
so
we
looked
at
it
there.
How
many
are
proposed
here?
There
are
seven
places
where
a
golf
cart
paths
cross
the
road
in
this
development
it
Whitmore
there
are
18
and
it
was
one
location
where
proposed
roads
gonna
run
between
a
tee
box
in
the
fairway
we've
seen
that
condition
other
places,
Westborough
Country
Club.
It
happens
that
way.
It
happens
in
one
place
in
Whitmore.
R
R
S
S
S
What
we're
gonna
be
doing
315
homes
with
another
120
multi-family
homes.
At
some
some
phase,
that's
going
to
generate
roughly
three
thousand
seven
hundred
and
thirty
seven
trips
daily
and
when
we
look
at
that
are
our
largest
peak.
Our
trip
is
in
the
am
out
of
the
subdivision,
which
is
393
cars
that
we
have
at
that
time
and.
V
S
Based
on
that,
you
can
see
the
distribution
that
we
have
on
the
peak,
our
distribution
for
the
adjacent
roadways
at
highway,
94
south
we're
gonna
have
on
peak
out
of
anthem
like
90
cars
on
highway
94
north
we're
gonna
have
37.
The
reason
for
this
is
because
a
large
percentage
of
the
cars
are
gonna
go
to
Missouri
research,
Park
Circle,
which
then
goes
right
over
to
the
highway
64.
S
Approximately
67
percent
of
the
vehicles
that
now
enter
that
area
go
to
st.
Louis
County
when
they
enter
from
K
and
94
those
cars
67%
those
head
towards
st.
Louis
County.
We
believe
this
subdivision
will
do.
It
least
that
much,
if
not
more
so,
the
cars
that
come
out
of
this
subdivision
will
get
on
Missouri
research,
Park,
Circle
or
Missouri's
triple
Drive.
Just
to
compare.
D
S
S
R
We've
already
engaged
engineer
to
go
and
do
some
more
detail
analysis,
because
we've
seen
some
questions
about
it.
The
way
the
60/40
split
was
derived
is
that
what
Doug
did
was
he
looked
at
the
traffic
that
was
coming
off
of
the
various
interchanges
on
highway
40
64?
We
can
see
how
much
traffic
is
coming
in
each
interchange,
and
so
we
can
project
how
much
traffic
is
gonna
go
east,
how
much
traffic
is
gonna
go
west?
That
is
a
methodology,
and
those
are
no
numbers
that
the
traffic
engineer
would
use
was.
D
I
talked
with
you
about
this
cuz
94.
That's
why
I'd
like
to
see
some
real
numbers
and
also
a
sampling
over
maybe
a
30
day
period.
94
is
a
nightmare
with
Francis
House
school
deaths.
Log
jammed
all
the
way
over
to
the
QT
station
on
the
other
side,
depending
on
whether
it's
in
the
morning
in
the
afternoon.
I
R
Think
one
of
the
things
that's
important
to
note
with
that
traffic
now
with
the
research
part,
is
that
what
this
development
is
doing
is
really
what
you
want
a
development
to
do.
The
commercial
traffic
is
coming
in
in
the
morning
in
a
research
park.
That's
when
our
traffic
is
leaving
so
we're
not
adding
to
the
traffic
that's
already
coming
in
to
the
research
park
on
the
research
park
traffic
is
leaving
is
when
the
residents
is
coming
up,
so
we're
not
adding
to
that
traffic
flow.
J
S
We
looked
at
this.
This
traffic
is
calculated
from
our
development.
We
did
not.
We
did
not
go
out
and
look
at
the
developments
and
look
at
the
intersections
around
there
or
stain.
This
is
what's
coming
from
the
calculated
traffic
that
will
be
created
because
of
this
development,
based
on
our
density
that
were.
J
R
Now
what
how
things
I
did
do
is
I
met
with
the
CEO
woman
spring.
Before
this
meeting
I
went
out
to
the
Board
of
Aldermen
meeting
and
we
talked
about
traffic
and
we
talked
about
you
know
whether
Wolfram
role
would
be
used
or
whether
it
would
somebody
would
use
celery
road
sign
top
to
give
us.
You
know
90,
for
whatever
it's
worth
they're.
R
That's
for
the
transfer
most
restaurent
is
about
there's
a
waste
of
let's
take
a
closer
look
at
that
and
try
and
come
back
with
some
better
answers,
for
you
did
target
is
I,
said
nothing
Board
of
Aldermen
to
get
their
opinions
about
it.
They
more
interested
in
the
impacted
scene
top
and
the
intersection
of
94,
which
isn't
to
say
it's
not
about
concern,
so
certainly
look
at
it.
S
This
is,
this
is
overall
traffic
volumes
again,
this
is
in
your
packet,
so
you
can
take
a
look
at
it
to
see
that
last
slide
was
peak
hour.
This
is
total
traffic
volumes
and
again
we're
talking
about
three
thousand
seven
hundred
and
thirty
seven
trips
a
day
the
business
park
or
the
research
park
is
roughly
about
four
thousand
or
more
trips
per
day.
So
this
is
less
trips
and
then
actually
Missouri,
Research
Park
excuse.
F
S
This
is
a
we
had
question
about
traffic
accidents,
and
this
is
the
report
from
the
Missouri
Highway
Patrol.
This
is
a
search
of
their
database.
It's
a
it's
a
one
year,
history
of
what's
happened
there
and
searching
everything
that
is
Research,
Park,
Interstate,
64
and
those
areas
there
was
nine
accidents
on,
and
that
came
up
when
you
did
the
search
and
eight
of
those
were
on
the
interstate.
Only
one
of
those
accidents
was
on
the
top.
One
was
on
research
park
drive
at
highway
94
so
that
only
one
of
those
main.
F
R
So
we
also
looked
at
what
Lance
on
the
site
and
stream
impact
as
we
retained
a
CI
engineering
to
go
out
and
do
a
wetlands
assessment
again
comments
about
environmental
impact.
I
have
been
raised
as
development,
so
we
asked
sei
to
go
out
and
tell
us
what
kind
of
stream
impact
we
were
going
to
have.
These
are
the
areas
that
the
analyzed.
This
is
all
the
developable
area
that
we
are
going
to
be
developing
as
this
project
and
they
went
over
the
entire
site.
R
Walk
the
site,
took
pictures
of
all
the
tributaries
and
prepared
a
report
based
upon
that.
Their
initial
report
showed
that
we
were
going
to
have
about
a
thousand
lineal
feet
of
impact
on
tributaries
and
under
the
federal
governments
for
for
program.
If
you
have
more
than
300
lineal
feet
of
impact,
you
have
to
get
what's
called
an
individual
permit
from
the
Corps
of
Engineers
and
Fish
and
Wildlife.
R
That
process
takes
about
six
months
to
a
year,
so
we
went
back
and
we
asked
them
to
Rebecca
Pickett
and
said:
please
revise
the
plan,
reduce
the
impacts
they
got
rid
of
some
more
Lots.
We
reduced
the
impact
to
525
lineal
feet.
I
said
that's
not
good
enough,
get
us
down
to
below
300
feet,
and
so
that's
what
we
did
so.
The
current
impact
on
water
bodies
and
in
this
development
is,
it
believes,
245
lineal
feet
which
is
incredibly
low.
So,
as
a
result,
we
do
not
need
to
get
an
individual
permit.
R
We
simply
get
a
nationwide
permit
for
a
road
crossing
in
the
in
the
one
or
two
places
where
that
occurs,
and
in
Phase
a
which
is
the
first
phase.
There's
no
impact
at
all,
so
we're
getting
a
no
permit
issuance
from
the
Corps
of
Engineers.
There
would
have
been
an
impact.
There's
a
tributary
tributary
a
there.
We
pulled
all
the
Lots
back,
so
we
made
sure
that
we
didn't
impact
it.
So
that
is
the
design
principle
of
this
development.
When
there's
environmental
impact,
we
pull
it
back.
R
We
don't
try
and
cram
more
Watson,
so
these
are
the
tributaries
that
were
making
sure
we
don't
touch
and
we
don't
disturb
as
part
of
this
development.
This
is
just
a
copy
of
SDI's
letter.
The
Corps
and
in
that
letter
notes
that
we
have
a
no
impact
with
respect
to
our
first
phase
and
simply
make
a
couple
of
nationwide
sand
phases,
C
and
D.
So
with
respect
to
our
our
project,
when
I
talked
about
the
revised
layout
and
grading
just
gonna,
take
you
through
quickly
some
examples
of
what
we
did
on
the
left-hand
side.
R
Is
the
original
layout
you've
never
seen
this,
because
this
was
the
layout
that
had
too
much
impact
on
the
water
bodies
in
the
street
so
on
the
right
side
is
how
we
revised
it
to
eliminate
impact
now
and
reduce
it
same
in
this
case,
what
we
had
was
a
road
that
was
crossing
two
places
on
the
tributary,
so
we
changed
the
location
of
the
road,
took
out
some
Lots
and
were
able
not
to
impact
that
tributary
at
all.
With
this
part
of
the
development
we
had
a
road
that
was
yeah.
I
was
a
cul-de-sac.
R
It
was
on
the
north.
You
can
see
on
the
right-hand
side
where
the
letter
D
is.
We
took
that
cul-de-sac
out.
We
changed
the
entire
orientation
of
the
Lots,
and
we
did
that.
You
know
we
changed
the
Lots
from
being
kind
of
less
less
deep
and
as
they're
on
the
left-hand
side
and
deeper
on
the
right-hand
side
and
changed
the
entire
Road
orientation,
and
we
did
that
again
to
avoid
stream
impact,
because
that
is
the
design
principle
of
this
development.
R
Again
with
this
with
this
part
of
the
development,
we
have
two
roads
on
the
left-hand
side
that
we're
coming
up
in
the
development
that
were
terminating
a
turnaround
area
or
a
cul-de-sac.
We
eliminated
those,
and
we
changed
that.
So
it's
just
one
row
terminating
a
cul-de-sac,
and
by
doing
that,
we
were
able
to
impacts
same
thing
here
with
this
part
of
the
development.
R
Just
take
you
through
that
there
were
some
questions
asked
about
our
design
requirements
and
what
we'll
be
doing
this
in
this
project.
First
of
all,
we'll
have
a
town,
architect,
Tim
basi,
he's
here
in
the
audience.
Tim
is
a
licensed
architect,
he's
been
practicing
for
over
thirty
years
and
he
will
be
the
town
architect
for
this
site
and
no
home
may
be
built.
No
site
plan
may
be
approved
or
begin
construction
on
unless
Tim
approves
it.
R
So
we're
going
to
get
development
control
through
the
standards
they're
going
to
be
overseen
by
the
town
architect,
so
the
standards
that
are
going
to
be
required.
We
Laurie,
we
will
require
architectural
style
roof
shingles.
We
will
only
allow
wood
windows
either
Andersen
with
Colby
wood
windows.
All
of
the
garage
doors
will
be
a
carriage
style
garage
door.
Does
a
Maryland
side,
entry,
rear
entry
or
front
entry,
they'll
all
be
carriage
style,
garage
door.
All
of
the
colors
in
the
developer
are
going
to
be
earth
tones
we're
not
getting
anything.
That's
loud.
R
R
There
will
be
trim
around
all
the
exterior
windows
and
doors
and
that's
not
simply
on
the
front
elevation
which
some
builders
do
that'll
be
required
all
the
way
around
360,
all
with
respect
to
the
entire
home,
with
respect
to
any
kind
of
hard
scape
or
on
the
home,
and
exterior
we're
going
to
require
culture,
stone
or
brick.
Exteriors
we're
going
to
encourage
the
use
of
natural
stone.
We
think
that's,
you
know
a
better
fit
for
this
development.
R
So
it's
going
to
be
the
design
element
that
we're
going
to
try
and
steer
builders
to
with
respect
to
fireplace
chimneys.
Those
will
be
other
stone,
culture,
stone
and
brick.
The
driveways
will
not
have
any
kind
of
concrete
driveway
that
isn't
something
that's
finished,
so
it's
either
going
to
be
an
exposed,
aggregate
or
stamped
concrete
or
concrete
pavers
or
s
or
else
asphalt.
So
you
want
having
this
brush
finish
kind
of
white,
concrete,
dry
voice
in
this
development.
Those
driveways
are
more
expensive.
R
We
think
it's
appropriate
again,
no
vinyl
siding
there
will
be
no
fencing
along
the
golf
course
and
there
will
be
restrictions
with
respect
to
cutting
down
trees
on
those
Lots,
particularly
in
the
rear
portion
of
those
Lots,
because
we
want
to
preserve
that
wooded
area.
As
we've
mentioned
earlier,
we
are
going
to
encourage
rain
gardens
on
Lots
to
further
address
stormwater.
If
there
is
a
front
porch,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
a
usable
front
porch.
R
So
it's
going
to
have
to
be
at
least
seven
feet
of
minimum
death
and
with
respect
to
landscaping,
we
will
be
reviewing
the
landscaping
and
we
will
only
allow
native
plants
that
are
native
Missouri
plants.
We're
not
going
to
have
any
kind
of
species,
that's
being
planted
on
a
landscaping
plan,
there's
either
invasive
or
something
that
is
outside
of
Missouri.
That
again
is
fairly
unusual.
I.
Think
one
of
the
letters
that
we
saw
that
some
of
you
are
saying:
well,
you
should
require
native
planning.
We
in
fact
are
going
to
do
that.
R
Again,
that's
Tim
basi,
who
will
be
the
town
architect,
and
these
are
just
some
images
of
some
of
the
houses
that
we
would
anticipate
that
you
could
see
in
this
development
the
houses
arranged
and
price
point
from
$500,000
to
over
a
million
dollars
with
respect
to
pricing
in
the
single-family
homes.
So
again,
just
some
images
of
the
types
of
homes
that
we
would
expect
to
be
built
here
and
so
happy
to
answer.
Any
questions
you
may
have.
R
J
R
D
We
talked
about
the
liability
and
I
did
some
more
research
around
with
golf
courses
and
anybody
that
has
a
house
150
feet
off
of
any
T.
It's
not
if
it's
when
they're
gonna
get
yeah,
so
there
is,
but
this
whole
environment
and
getting
back
to
the
liability.
I
know
it's
gonna
be
back
on
the
homeowners,
but
yeah
you
can
play
golf
out
there,
and
the
only
thing
you
can
hit
is
another
golfer.
D
So
what
we're
gonna
have
now
is
an
element
of
three
different
things:
you've
got
homes
where
golf
ball
could
potentially
hit
you've,
got
roads
crossing
golf
golf
carts
and
then
part
of
being
part
or
I
guess
involved
in
the
inner
structure
of
the
golf
course,
and
also
the
roads
which
have
cars
so
on
the
pedestrian
part
of
it.
You've
got
people
walking
jogging
riding
and
they
are
gonna
be
having
access
under.
If
for
the
Rose
with
a
golf
court,
how.
D
I
example:
a
woman's
walking
a
child
and
somebody's
teeing
up
and
looking
up
and
Pullman
hits
in
the
head
and
kills
a
child.
God
forbid.
If
I
mean
how
do
you
regulate
from
a
legal
standpoint,
I'm
very
curious?
How
do
you
tell
people?
Well,
you
can't
walk
there,
because
if
they
get
hurt,
that's
gonna,
be
your
fault.
I
can
understand
it,
a
house
because
it's
gonna
be
in
the
the
deed
of
the
property,
but
when
you
have
people
that
are
living
there
and
using
that.
R
M
R
To
the
golf
course,
then
anything
that's
contemplated
in
this
development
and
in
point
of
fact,
we
don't
have
houses
being
pummeled
with
golf
balls
in
Wetmore.
I
will
tell
you,
since
I
was
involved
in
that
development.
From
the
very
beginning
there
was
at
the
start.
There
was
one
hum
in
one
section
that
had
a
problem
as
I.
Remember:
I
think
it
was
a
hold
of
the
whole
Tim
they've
changed
the
numbering
now
and
there
was
an
issue,
and
so
what
we
did
was
we
put
a
screen
in
there.
R
We
also
put
trees
along
the
side
of
that
fairway,
but
the
screen
worked
very
well
because
if
you
hit
the
ball
the
way
I
hit
the
golf
ball,
it
immediately
hits
the
fence
and
drops
so
the
slice
was
completely
eliminated,
and
so
that
just
has
not
been
an
issue.
Whitmore
I
was
in
another
golf
course,
community
in
California
for
wedding.
A
R
Liabilities,
it's
Co,
it
would
be
the
liability
of
the
facts
and
circumstances
of
the
case.
I
can't
give
you
an
abstract
opinion.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
the
Golf
Course
communities,
and
this
kind
of
interaction
is
not
unique
or
new
or
different.
This
isn't
the
first
one
and
in
fact
this
probably
has
less
interaction
of
the
golf
course
with
Holmes
and
impact
than
you'd
see
in
a
typical
golf
course.
Community.
The
art
Litton
course
at
Whitmore
was
designed
to
sell
homes.
That's
what
our
Litton
did.
R
He
was
pulled
in
from
Florida
to
create
a
development
along
a
golf
course
to
maximize
those
homes.
Looking
at
the
golf
course,
and
so
you
had
a
lot
more
risk
with
it,
but
the
fact
is,
we
haven't
seen
that
problem.
I
haven't
seen
it.
The
links
of
Dardenne
haven't
seen
a
golf
club,
but
once
felt
sorry.
N
E
I
guess
this
really
directed
more
if
mr.
Rossi
the
example
of
the
houses
that
could
be
built
here
and
all
these
aren't,
you
know
design,
we
can't
go
out
and
buy.
You
know
this
house
yet,
but
I'm
curious
how
these
these
houses
are
would
be
representative
how
they
would
fit
on
the
60-foot
Lots
you.
You
went
through
and
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
how
you
had
to
redesign
it.
E
So
they
have
this
stream
impact
and
for
the
most
part
you
narrow
the
de
Lots,
and
it
made
a
much
deeper
and
I
understand
that
that's
that's
great
planning
and
everything,
but
some
of
them
have
gotten
really
skinny
and
trying
to
fit
a
house
in
the
garage
or
driveway
to
a
garage
on
a
60-foot.
Why
I'm
curious
these?
These
houses,
I,
don't
ii.
E
M
E
R
R
But
I
understand
what
the
what
I'm
saying
is
the
size
of
the
home
doesn't
necessarily
equate
to
your
value
so
just
to
address
that,
and
you
know
looking
at
the
overall
distribution
of
Lots
in
the
development.
The
60
foot
lot
is
not
a
dominant
lot.
There
are
60
foot,
Lots
you're
going
to
have
a
smaller
home
on
those
that's
correct
and
you
know
I
can't
tell
you
looking
at
those
homes,
what
the
size
of
that
home
is
I
can
tell
you
a
lot
of
those
are
big
homes.
E
V
R
In
terms
of
the
Lots,
the
weight
315,
we've
got
70
Lots
there
60
foot
we
have
at
this
design
70,
we
have
179,
that's
70
foot
Lots.
We
have
12
Watts
that
are
80
foot
white
and
we
have
54
lots
that
are
100
foot
wide
under
this
design
and
so
and
in
terms
of
acreage
the
size
of
the
Lots,
the
average
size.
A
lot
is
half
an
acre,
yes,
oh
and
but
you're
correct.
Some
of
that
is
achieved
by
having
a
deeper
and
having
a
less
wide.
R
One
of
the
things
that
we
found
with
builders
is
they've,
tended
to
want
an
arrow
or
a
lot,
but
you
know
we
believe
that
this
is
another
option
for
people.
It
is
not
the
dominant
lot
in
the
development.
There
are
a
number
of
them.
I
absolutely
agree
with
you.
Those
Lots
tend
to
be
concentrated
more
up
on
the
eastern
side
over
near
off
the
clubhouse
on
that
drive
and
in
one
particular
phase
over
in
the
western
side.
Okay,.
M
F
R
We
have
not
gotten
to
a
grading
plan.
That's
much
too
far
down
the
road
with
respect
to
how
each
lot
will
be
designed.
I
can
you
know
I
can't
I
really
would
not
be
able
to
answer
that
question.
Thank
you.
You
know.
I
can
tell
you
that,
with
respect
to
the
slopes
of
the
Lots,
we've
looked
at
other
developments
in
Georgia
that
have
a
similar
type
of
topography
and
how
they
handle
the
slopes
and
those
Lots.
R
We
are
looking
at
that
in
terms
of
grades,
but
again
the
design
it
the
intent,
isn't
to
grade
out
a
big
flat
pad
so
more
likely
than
not
what's
going
to
happen
is
the
Lots
is
going
to
slip
away
and
you're
going
to
have
it's
all
wall
on
the
back
or
a
double
wall.
On
the
back
with
respect
to
that
yeah
with
respect,
that's
what
we
think
is
going
to
happen,
because
we
don't
want
to
grade
into
that
plan,
but
I
can't
tell
you
if
done
exact,
reading,
they've.
D
As
we've
had
diminishing
golf
courses
in
st.
Charles
County,
we've
lost
five
of
them.
My
concern
right
now.
This
is
a
public
course.
This
development
was
built
someplace
else
and
it
didn't
involve
meshing
with
the
golf
course
I
think
this
thing
would
fly
through
get
voted
on
and
get
passed,
but
since
it's
being
involved
and
also
inclusive
of
a
golf
course,
you
mentioned
it
was
a
hundred
year
of
lease
with
seventy-five
or
eighty
to
eighty
years.
Well,
I
would
like-
and
you
mentioned
that
it
would
remain
a
public
course.
D
Would
that
be
put
in
writing
that
this
would
be
the
least
part
of
the
course
that
this
would
be
available
to
st.
Charles
County
residents
as
right
now,
I
think
I.
Think
of
it
as
an
adjunct
to
our
county
park
system
and
for
all
taxpaying
people
in
st.
Charles
have
use
of
that
golf
course.
I
could
see
if
homes
go
in
there
and
this
thing
flips
and
goes
private.
All
the
people
out
here,
including
myself
and
everybody
else
in
st.
Charles.
D
How
are
we
going
to
benefit
for
that
I
mean
the
builder
is
obviously
in
a
benefit:
cuz
he's
gonna,
sell
homes
and
make
a
profit
but
I'm
looking
at
it
for
the
overall
view
of
all
of
st.
Charles
County
and
st.
Charles
City.
How
do
they
benefit
if
this
does
not
stay
as
a
public
course,
and
you
mentioned
it
would
stay
and
as
a
public
course
would
you
be
willing
to
put
that
in
writing?
Well,.
M
D
The
other
issue-
I,
am
multifamily
multiple
household
drawings,
including
apartments,
cluster
homes,
condominiums
townhouses
and
villas.
The
only
word
that
I
don't
like
in
there
is
apartments
all
the
other
multi
house.
Dweller
dwellings
is
the
same
as
a
homeowner.
They
have
some
vested
interest
in
this
development.
An
apartment
unit
does
not
I
mean
they
can
do
a
30-30
gateways
and
hey
we're
out
of
here.
But
I
would
like
to
see
some
assurance
that
for
the
multi
household
dwellings
and
flexibility
in
design
and
blah
blah
blah,
but
not
to
include
apartments
mm-hmm.
R
You
know
the
couple
different
thoughts
about
that
the
Golf
Course
is
remaining
it's
a
ten
million
dollar
investment,
the
best
assurance
of
equality,
multifamily
development
is
that
asset.
Whoever
owns
that
asset
is
not
going
to
allow
the
housing,
be
it
apartments.
Or
what
have
you
be
something
that
that
negatively
affects
that
substantial
investment,
regardless
of
what
we
regulate
plan
or
whatever?
That
I
believe
is
the
best
assurance
that
whatever
happens
with
respect
to
apartments?
Is
they
be
high
quality
in
terms
of
their
appearance
and
kept
up?
R
There
also
will
be
covenants
with
respect
to
those,
and
those
covenants
will
be
enforceable
by
the
homeowners
association.
They
will
not
get
a
free
skate
as
far
as
that
goes.
So
if
the
appearance-
or
there
are
other
problems
with
the
apartments
over
time-
that's
something
that
will
be
enforced.
If
this
Commission
I
also
think
that
apartments
offer
another
housing
option,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
seen
recently
as
a
housing
trend,
I
just
was
in
Webster
Groves.
Getting
our
apartment
project
approved
Webster
Groves
is
not
exactly
what
you
think
of
as
an
apartment
community.
R
They
approved
it
because
what
studies
show
is
that
people,
you
know
older
generation
sixty
and
up,
are
wanting
apartments
as
a
housing
option,
as
opposed
to
owning
their
home
frequent
and
that's
happening
more
and
more,
so
that
could
also
be
an
option.
Having
said
all
of
that,
if
apartments
are
something
that
causes
this
commission,
a
lot
of
problems
and
they'd
want
to
require
those
to
be
condominiums,
so
be
it
we're
not
we're
not.
This
is
not
we're
not
here
to
have
a
super
dense
housing
development.
D
R
R
I
and
again
I,
don't
share
that
opinion,
but
I
respect
it.
So
if
that's
the
the
will
of
this
commission
and
that's
fine
we're
not
trying
to
create
that's,
not
that
that's
that's
the
tale
that
is
not
the
dog
in
this
community,
so
I
don't
want
to
have
that
be
an
issue
that
causes
a
problem
with
this
commission
favorably
considering
this
development,
you
know
we
think
it's
a
nice
option,
but
the
Commission
doesn't
share
that
view.
We
respect
that.
R
K
R
R
R
M
N
Roads
are
gonna,
be
built
right
on
the
top
of
the
ridges,
so
they
know
if
you
say
you
stated
that
earlier
yeah,
so
you
say
a
60
foot
lot
and
you
got
the
street
is
taking
up.
Even
though
we
talked
about
the
hood
and
they
set
back.
It
seems
like
you,
don't
really
have
60
foot
there,
because
it's
gonna
be
sloping
in
the
back.
No.
R
You
misunderstood:
the
width
of
the
law
is
60
feet.
That
is
the
width
of
the
lot,
the
street
right
away.
It's
different!
You
have,
you
know
your
street
right
away
as
what's
in
front.
The
width
of
the
lot
would
be
60
feet
or
70
feet
or
a
hundred
feet
and
that
what
that
doesn't
change
that
has
nothing.
N
R
Yeah,
in
some
cases
it's
gonna
depend
on
the
particular
lot
in
the
topography.
In
some
cases
you
may
direct
it
from
the
front
of
the
house
toward
a
ditch
and
bring
it
along
the
road
and
then
take
it
back.
That's
going
to
depend
on
the
individual
grain
of
the
individual
Lots,
and
so
in
some
cases
you
absolutely
right.
It's
going
to
go
toward
the
back,
but
you
may
the
way
your
house
sits
a
lot.
You
may
split
it.
R
N
R
S
S
The
intention
is
to
keep
them
because
they
are
close
to
the
road
and
the
setbacks
there,
they're
not
going
to
be
well
down
below
the
road
and
there's
also
not
going
to
be
a
lot
of
area
for
water
drainage
to
accumulate
in
that
area.
It's
a
small
area
so
we'll
run
that
between
those
homes
on
those
lot
lines,
you'll.
R
R
R
Right
and
and
and
right
and
I'm,
not
an
architect.
So
that's
why
I
asked
him
to
do
that
and
not
me.
So
the
last
thing
that
I
would
mention
I
didn't
mention
this
some
earlier
remarks.
I
know
that
zolteck
is
here:
representatives
rizal
tech.
We
have
not.
We
just
briefly
talked
to
one
another
before
the
meeting
I
hadn't
had
the
opportunity
to
to
meet
their
their
counsel,
and
we
understand
they
have
concerns
with
respect
to
lots
that
would
be
backing
up
to
the
zolteck
facility
we
and
we're
mindful
of
that.
R
So
a
couple
of
things
that
we
are
going
to
do
with
respect
to
those
Lots
and
also
with
any
Lots
that
back
up
to
the
Duquette
Creek
plan
is
we
will
have
disclosures
in
our
contract,
disclosing
the
fact
that
the
zolteck
is
there
and
the
zolteck
runs
24
hours
a
day.
The
machinery
they
have
lights
and
I've
already
talked
to
counsel
result.
R
Tech
and
I
said
we
will
run
that
disclosure
by
you
and
we'll
get
out
form
that
you're
comfortable
with
so
that
you
know,
if
you
don't
think
we're
representing
how
terrible
this
is,
tell
us
how
much
more
terrible
to
make
it,
because
we
want
a
buyer
who's
buying
there
to
buy
with
eyes
open
when
we
have
sold
homes
in
Newtown.
We
have
a
couple
of
paragraphs
in
those
contracts
that
talk
about
noise
lights
and
tell
people.
If
you
don't
like
that
stuff,
you
don't
like
people
living
close
to.
R
R
The
area
behind
zolteck
is
an
area
we're
not
disturbing
in
terms
of
tree
removal,
we're
still
going
to
sit
down
and
talk
with
them
about
buffer
and
tree
buffer,
and
that
kind
of
thing
as
well,
so
that
you
know,
if
you
know,
we
think
if
there's
a
feeling,
we
need
to
do
more
and
address
that
we
will
do
that.
So
that's
a
dialogue
that
we're
going
to
have
with
them.
I,
don't
know
if
he's
gonna
speak
tonight
or
not,
but
I
did
want
to
make
sure
that
I
mentioned
that
as
well.
J
R
And
and
those
Lots
actual
part,
those
Lots
were
areas
that
weren't
usable,
but
I
don't
want
I,
don't
want
to
go
back
and
rehash
past
history.
That
is
not
the
case
here
and,
in
fact,
the
plan
that
we
have
as
a
plan
that
is
approved
by
this
board
and
once
that
plan
is
set
for
us
to
deviate
from
that
plan,
we
have
to
come
back
here,
and,
in
fact,
is
Robert
noted
will
be
back
here
were
approved
several.
R
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay,
we're
gonna,
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
public.
Anybody
in
the
room
that
wants
to
speak
on
this
for
behalf
and
there's
a
several
of
you,
I'm
asking
you
to
come
up,
might
want
to
just
get
in
line.
Have
you
sworn
in
and
might
want
to
start
it
over
here,
don't
forget
to
fill
out
a
speaker's
card.
Go
ahead.
A
You
just
hold
on
don't
forget
to
fill
out
a
speaker's
card
and
try
to
keep
your
comments
at
three
minutes
and
if
it's
exactly
the
same
thing
as
the
person
before
yeah
doesn't
really
help
just
just
come
up
and
say
exactly
the
same
problems,
we
kind
of
know
some
of
the
issues,
but
anyway
we're
gonna,
give
you
a
chance
to
talk
and
race
right
hand.
Sir,
you
swear
to
tell
the
truth
not
about
the
truth.
Yes
in
state
your
name
and
address
with
record
Steve.
T
Chairman
members
of
the
Commission,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
be
here
tonight
to
speak
in
opposition
to
a
portion
of
the
zoning
request
and
the
concept
and
as
I
indicated,
I
am
an
attorney
in
Chesterfield
that
I
represent
zolteck
corporation
sole
tech
and
during
my
remarks,
I
will
be
referring
to
a
six
page
handout
which
mr.
Hazelwood
advises,
has
been
distributed
to.
Everyone.
A
T
As
I
said,
sole
tech
corporation
is
an
international
corporation,
they're,
primarily
engaged
in
the
manufacture
of
carbon
fiber
and
related
products,
they're
headquartered
in
st.
Louis
Missouri
and
since
1991
they
have
had
a
manufacturing
facility
located
than
was
a
research
park.
If
you
turn
to
the
last
page
or
the
last
two
pages
in
the
handout
what's
marked,
is
zolteck
enclosure,
one
is
an
aerial
photograph
which
shows
the
location
of
the
zolteck
facility
and
here's
the
location
of
the
duckie
Creek
sewer
plant
and
here's.
T
The
bluffs
golf
course
just
to
orient
everyone
to
the
principle
layout
here,
as
you
could
talk
about
looking
at
the
aerial
photograph,
the
area
to
the
west
and
southwest
of
zolteck
is
heavily
wooded.
It's
heavily
vegetated,
and
it's
been
that
way
for
decades.
If
you
turn
to
the
the
last
page
of
the
handout
is
a
topo
map
and
again
this
shows
for
the
solar
tech
facility
is
located
and
any
for
anyone
who's
experienced.
T
In
looking
at
topo
maps,
you
can
look
at
the
gradient
lines,
drop
off
significantly
to
the
west
and
southwest
going
away
from
the
zolteck
property.
So
if
you
look
at
the
topo
map
and
the
aerial
combined,
what
this
tells
you
it's
a
heavily
vegetated
old-growth
area
that
drop
that
significantly
goes
downhill
because
of
this
topography.
T
T
We
believe,
because
of
the
development
plan
that
we
were
provided
a
copy
of
that,
the
that
the
phase
of
the
development
that
would
be
located
adjacent
to
the
salt,
eggplant
and
then
is
I.
Have
this
delineate
it
an
orange
on
the
map,
as
it
has
a
strong
potential
of
seriously
impacting
stormwater
flows
in
the
area,
particularly
if
some
of
these
Lots
go
uphill
from
the
cul-de-sac
and
are
located
within
a
hundred
feet
of
a
manufacturing
facility
that
raises
serious
concerns
about
compatibility
between
a
residential
use
and
an
ongoing
industrial
operation,
which
mr.
T
townsend,
who
is
also
here
with
me,
will
go
into
in
more
detail.
But
we
believe
that
the
stormwater
impacts
and
the
fact
that
all
this
vegetation
and
trees
will
be
destroyed
or
significantly
impacted
is
inconsistent
with
the
applicable
st.
Charles
County
zoning
ordinance
405
point
zero,
one,
five
point:
b2
purposes,
which
include
quote
the
preservation
of
the
natural
terrain
and
waterways
and
since
the
control
of
stormwater
that
could
impact
downstream
flooding.
We
believe
this
entire
area
in
orange
raises
significant
concerns.
Whether
this
project
will
comply
with
the
applicable
zoning
code.
J
A
M
H
H
H
The
facility
also
has
exhilarate
manufacturing
support
equipment
outside
of
the
building,
which
also
operates
on
a
24/7
basis.
We
believe
locating
homes
next
to
an
operating
manufacturing.
Plant
like
ours,
is
a
bad
idea
and
would
likely
lead
to
future
issues
between
residents
and
the
companies
operating
in
the
Missouri
research
park
area.
H
H
A
B
Duck
at
Creek
3550,
highway,
K
Oh,
fallon
missouri
go
ahead,
miss
gross!
Thank
you.
Members
of
the
Commission
ducky
Creek,
as
Brad
mentioned,
does
have
the
capacity
to
handle
the
flow
from
the
proposed
development
and
that
part
of
it
we
certainly
support.
However,
there
are
three
broad
issues,
two
of
which
are
real
quick.
When
I
mentioned
a
third
one
takes
a
little
bit
longer.
B
The
first
issue
is
dealing
with
our
access
road,
currently,
under
an
agreement
with
the
University
of
Missouri,
were
required
to
maintain
that
access
road,
but
we
believe,
because
of
the
traffic
that
it
now
is
going
to
have
from
the
development
as
well
as
what's
amounted
over
the
years
to
pretty
heavy
public
traffic
going
down
to
the
Katy
Trail
access
that
all
of
that
Road
should
no
longer
fall
under
our
responsibility.
To
maintain
the
the
other
issue
with
the
road
has
to
do
with
the
way
I'll
call
it.
B
The
Duquette
access
road
intersects
with
the
research
park
drive.
It
said
a
really
severe
angle,
which
right
now
doesn't
matter
much
because
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
traffic
accessing
that
intersection,
but
with
the
cars
coming
out
of
the
development
that
is
going
to
be
a
real
problem,
we
looked
at
ways
to
maybe
reroute
that
road
to
the
east
a
little
bit
and
make
a
nice
90-degree
intersection
with
the
road
up
there.
That
may
be
a
problem
because
of
the
trails
that
have
been
built
in
that
area.
B
I'm,
not
really
sure
I
think
that
needs
to
be
addressed
because,
after
the
stop
sign
that
we
encounter
with
the
Missouri
research
park,
drive
within
I'll,
say
less
than
100
feet.
There's
another
stop
sign
and
if
you
add
all
of
these
cars
into
that
road
and
two
stop
signs
that
close
to
each
other
you're
going
to
have
them
backing
up,
which
of
course,
we
care
about,
because
it's
going
to
back
up
our
service
vehicles,
including
our
sludge
trucks,
on
a
very
steep
hill.
That's
not
a
good
combination.
So
we
have
that
concern.
B
The
second
major
concern
or
broad
concern
has
to
do
with
our
connection
fees,
and
we
just
want
to
be
on
the
record
to
make
sure
that
the
developer
knows
that
we
we
will
require
that
the
standard
connection
fees
be
paid
to
us
as
they
get
the
permits
from
ducky
Creek.
The
third
issue
is
takes
a
little
bit
longer
and
that
has
to
do
with
the
proximity
of
our
plant
to
the
proposed
development.
Now
I,
don't
I'm,
not
sure
exactly.
You
know
how
close
the
the
houses
will
be
to
our
plan.
B
It
looks
really
close
on
on
the
plans,
but
I
don't
know,
but
I
wanted
to
just
make
sure
everybody
knew
that
this
is
a
seven
million
gallon
a
day
plant.
It's
the
largest
plant
that
we
operate.
The
plant
has
operated
for
over
20
years.
At
this
location
we
have
never
received
a
violation
notice
that
we've
exceeded
our
discharge
limits
and
also
we
have
never
received
a
complaint
from
anybody
using
the
trail.
If
you've
been
down
there,
you
know
exactly
what
I'm
talking
about
that.
B
That's
a
it's
a
beautiful
trail
that
goes
along
a
really
nice
Creek,
pretty
Creek
babbling.
Brook,
if
you
will
outside
of
a
plant
well,
that
babbling
brook
is
duck
a
creek
and
people
enjoy
it
a
lot
and
they
should
it's
very
nice
and
but
all
those
people
using
that
trail
over
the
years
have
yet
to
complain
about
any
odors.
In
other
words,
that
plant
operates
really
really
well,
but
it
is
a
sewer
plant
and
I.
B
Don't
care
what
sewer
plant
you
operate
where
you
are
eventually
going
to
have
odors
now,
odors
are
different
than
sound
and
different
than
light.
Odors
will
find
their
own
way
depending
on
the
wind,
the
humidity,
the
temperature,
the
terrain,
the
you
know,
whatever
odors
will,
you
could
be
ten
feet
away
from
a
plant
and
not
smell
anything
and
be
a
hundred
and
fifty
feet
away
in
a
different
action
and
smell
odors
from
the
plan.
B
I'm
not
saying
it's
going
to
be
severe,
it
hasn't
been
severe
today,
it's
a
very
good
plan,
but
you
can't
guarantee
with
any
buffer
or
our
distance.
You
can't
guarantee,
with
any
of
those
things
that
you're
not
occasionally
going
to
have
some
odors
coming
from
the
plant
and
so
in
looking
at
not
only
the
county
ordinances
that
require
four
puffer
PU
DS
that
require
buffers
between
uses
and
the
state
regulations
that
require,
when
you're,
citing
a
new
plant
that
you
have
at
least
a
hundred
and
fifty
feet
between
the
plant
and
residential
uses.
B
I,
don't
really
see
that
as
a
big
issue,
but
if
your
house
backs
up
to
and
overlooks
the
plant
yeah
you're
gonna
be
light
down
there,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
folks
understand
that
and
then
the
last
thing
is
the
noise.
This
is
a
big
plant.
This
is
a
big
plant
with
very
big
motors,
very
big
blowers,
very
big
generators,
and
it
operates.
24/7
and
everyday
will
be
a
constant
reminder
to
those
who
live
in
close
proximity
that
there's
a
sewer
plant
down
there
once
a
week.
B
Those
those
promotional
materials
said
there
was
going
to
be
page
Avenue
here,
just
buyer.
Beware
and
then
the
third
thing
is
require
recorded
notice
on
the
deed,
that
there
is
a
sewer
plant
in
the
research
park
adjacent
to
a
residential
development.
We've
met
with
mr.
Goss
and
the
folks
with
picket
ray
and
silver
they're,
very
well
aware
of
the
concerns
and
and
I
believe,
they're
sincere
and
trying
to
address
those.
This
is
how
we
think
they
can
be
addressed.
J
B
J
B
A
A
L
L
These
two
nonprofit
organizations
are
dedicated
to
raising
conservation
awareness,
preserving
agricultural
resources
and
natural
scenic
beauty
along
the
Katy
Trail,
as
well
as
throughout
Missouri
I,
sent
a
letter
today
that,
hopefully,
is
included
in
your
packets.
If
it's
not,
let
me
know,
I
can
provide
you
with
a
copy.
L
It
sets
forth,
outlines
legal
objections
that
we
have
to
the
request
for
rezoning
but
or
I
get
into
those
I
want
to
start
off
with
an
issue
that
member
Cleary
ray
immediately
raised
and
I
would
say
very
perceptively
raised,
and
that
is
this
isn't
just
a
request
for
a
concept
plan.
This
is
a
request
that
this
property
be
resumed
to
the
highest
density
residential
use
permitted
under
the
st.
Charles
County
Code
r3b.
L
Despite
all
the
talk
about
the
concept
plan
this
evening,
I
mean
I
think
we
heard
probably
close
to
two
hours.
The
idea
that
this
concept
plan
is
going
to
ensure
proper
and
responsible
development.
I
mean
it's
it's
a
fiction,
it's
a
fallacy.
It
is
not
true
in
light
of
the
fact
that
the
underlying
zoning
of
this
property
is
going
to
be
changed.
L
Mr.
price
indicated
I
think
he
described
it
as
a
bundle
of
Rights
that
property
has
for
that.
Underlying
zoning
classification,
it's
what's
permitted
in
the
r3b
district
or
any
other
district
that
property
owners
can
do
use
as
a
matter
of
right
without
coming
before
you
and
let's
take
a
look
at
what
can
be
done
in
the
r3b
district
without
coming
in
front
of
you,
and
that
is
I.
L
Think
when
I
looked
at
the
zoning
code,
20
units
per
acre
in
an
R
3
B
district
20
units
per
acre
single-family
homes,
lots
are
only
4,000
square
feet.
That's
I
mean
lawyers
are
never
good
at
math,
but
that
that
equates
to
about
10
houses
per
acre.
Those
are
permitted
uses
in
this
district
and
the
planned
unit.
L
Overlay
I
mean
we
all
know,
and
you
heard
this
evening-
that's
a
long
process.
A
lot
of
things
can
go
wrong
during
that
process
that
this
plan
may
never
come
to
fruition
and
what
the
st.
Charles
County
Code
provides.
Is
that
if
the
project's
abandoned
the
governing
body,
that's
you
the
council,
they
can
automatically
list
lifts
that
overlay
and
what
you're
left
with
is
that
our
3b
zoning
district
4,
this
beautiful
piece
of
property
and
with
respect
to
the
legal
issues
that
this
raises.
L
You
know
there
was
no
dispute
in
this
staff
report
that
the
r3b
zoning
district
does
not
comply
with
the
master
plan.
The
property
at
issue
here
has
been
zoned
agricultural
for
almost
six
decades,
and
the
2025
master
plan
shows
the
future
land
use
of
that
property
as
parks
and
open
space,
section
405
point:
zero.
Seven,
seven
of
the
st.
Charles
County
Code
provides
that
all
zoning
amendments
shall
be
in
accordance
with
the
master
plan
for
st.
Charles
County.
Here
the
land
use
designation
that
are
three
B.
L
It's
not
only
inconsistent
with
the
land
use
designation
in
the
master
plan.
It's
at
odds
with
the
very
intent
and
the
goals
set
forth
in
the
master
plan.
The
st.
Charles
County
master
plan
recognizes
the
importance
of
preserving
the
county's
natural
resources
and
scenic
beauty.
It
promotes
the
importance
of
agricultural
uses.
It
recognizes
that
many
of
these
agricultural
areas
are
in
environmentally
sensitive
areas
and
it
calls
for
limited
development
in
these
areas
and
contrasts
the
requirements
of
the
master
plan.
L
L
L
The
other
thing
is
I.
Think
from
a
legal
perspective,
the
requested
rezoning
constitutes
impermissible
spot
zoning.
Spot
zoning
occurs
where
there's
an
arbitrary
and
unreasonable
change
in
zoning
and
stint
with
the
surrounding
uses
for
the
benefit
of
one
property
owner.
In
contrast,
a
valid
zoning
amendment
is
in
accordance
with
the
Comprehensive
Plan
and
done
for
the
public
good
here,
there's
no
evidence
that
this
is
being
done
for
the
public
good,
it's
not
in
accordance
with
a
comprehensive
plan.
L
It's
it
is
inconsistent
with
the
master
plan.
It's
inconsistent
with
the
surrounding
uses
is
you've
heard
this
evening.
It's
inconsistent
with
the
industrial
uses
that
are
currently
there.
It's
inconsistent
with
the
Katy
Trail
State
Park.
It's
inconsistent
with
the
conservation
areas
that
surround
this
piece
of
property
in
light
of
the
poor,
going
Kati
land,
trust
and
magnificent
Missouri
respectfully
requests
that
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
recommend
denial
of
the
request
for
rezoning
to
the
r3b
multifamily
zoning
district,
and
it's
not
just
the
r3b
zoning
district.
That's
a
problem.
L
I
would
say
that
the
the
concept
plan
in
front
of
you
doesn't
meet
the
criteria
set
forth
in
the
st.
Charles
County
Code
for
review
of
a
concept
plan,
an
approval
of
a
PUD.
And
if
you
take
a
look
at
my
ladder-
and
there
are
a
number
of
criteria
that
you're
supposed
to
look
at
in
an
approving
a
PUD
approving
a
concept
plan
and
those
were
set
forth
in
the
staff
report.
L
L
L
Let
me
I'll
just
hit
for
you
real,
quick
I.
It
doesn't
satisfy
any
of
the
requirements
of
the
concept
plan,
review
standards.
It
doesn't
meet
the
master
plan.
There's
nothing
in
the
concept
plan
did
actually
guarantees
or
is
binding
that
somehow
natural
that
the
scenic
beauty
is
going
to
be
preserved,
that
the
open
spaces
are
going
to
be
preserved.
When
you
look
at
the
staff
report,
you
see
a
lot
of
stuff
about,
and
you've
heard
a
lot
of
stuff
they're,
aiming
to
remove
as
few
trees
and
other
scenic
features
as
possible.
L
They
should
be
able
to
maintain
adequate
open
space
and
they're
gonna
attempt
to
minimally
grade.
None
of
these
are
binding
and
I
want
to
hit
again.
There
are
significant
safety
concerns
associated
with
the
streets
in
terms
of
first
responders
being
able
to
have
access
to
the
development
and
a
conflict,
as
I've
already
said,
between
the
proposed
development
and
the
surrounding
uses.
N
U
Ralph
Bremer
1
502,
6,
Baxter
villas,
Drive,
Chesterfield,
Missouri,
the
CEO
of
trail
net
and
we're
a
an
interesting
organization
been
around
30
years.
We're
not
a
bicycle
centric
group
we're
not
a
special
interest
group
or
a
civic
oriented
group
that
looks
after
the
proper
expenditure
of
infrastructure
funds,
among
other
things,
as
well
as
urban
planning
and
narrative
for
the
region,
not
just
the
st.
Charles
County,
but
the
city
and
st.
Louis
County.
You
guys
have
done
an
amazing
job
of
building
infrastructure
in
st.
Charles,
County,
I.
U
Think
more
than
the
allocation
that
I
think
is
reasonable,
is
wound
up
in
st.
Charles
County.
As
far
as
infrastructure
highways
created
a
grid
system,
lots
of
land
available
lots
of
housing
stock,
it's
been
purposed
in
a
way
that
that
has
opened
up
the
door
for
a
lot
of
development.
I.
Commend
you
on
that.
I.
Don't
think
you
need
anymore.
U
What
I'm
gonna
tell
you
that,
anyway,
the
Katy
Land,
Trust
and
trail
have
produced
a
magazine
called
across
STL
on
what
we
try
to
do
is
promote
the
region
in
a
new
way
of
thinking,
one
that's
more
progressive
ones,
one
that
puts
forth
the
idea
that
30
years
from
now
we're
gonna
have
something
a
difference
to
steward
than
today.
The
housing
stock
of
today
is
not
gonna,
be
able
to
be
like
30
years
from
now.
U
I,
don't
know
about
golf,
but
I
do
know
that
a
20
foot
street
and
two
people
walking
on
either
side
requires
three
feet
on
either
side
or
a
bicycle.
Just
doesn't
make
sense
to
me.
The
proper
use
of
the
you've
already
made
the
investment
in
the
infrastructure.
You've
got
the
grid
system
fill
in
those
gaps.
We
did
recommend
you
do
that
across
STL
will
tell
the
story
of
how
good
you
managed
and
steward
this
land
from
the
front
porch
to
the
arch
to
the
back
yard
of
Katy
Trail
in
wine
country.
U
This
is
a
square
peg
in
a
round
hole.
I
can't
promote
it.
I
can't
tell
the
story
of
st.
Louis
and
that's
a
large
part
of
what
I
work.
St.
Louis
is
a
region
I
highly
recommend
that
you
deny
this
you
once
it's
done.
It's
done,
you
won't
go
back,
I,
don't
know
if
this
is
even
a
viable
opportunity.
I'm
suspect
that
there's
there's
just
not
enough
cash
flow.
Therefore
they're
putting
a
lot
of
residents
in
this
facility
shrinking
everything
down.
U
A
I
Yeah,
my
name
is
J
Dodi
I
live
at
17:06
Pine
Hill,
Drive,
De,
Pere,
Missouri,
6,
3,
1,
31
I'm,
a
registered
Landscape
Architect
I'm,
a
member
of
the
Missouri
invasive
plant
task
force
and
the
conservationist
for
the
Katy
Land
Trust
and
I
paddle
kayaks
on
the
Missouri
River
tonight.
I'm
talking
on
behalf
of
the
Cady
land
trust
the
Katy
Trail
has
become
an
internationally
popular
destination.
That's
obvious!
There's
over
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
people
come
out
to
travel
this
section
to
see
the
natural
wonders
of
Missouri.
I
I
I
If
you
approve
the
rezoning
request,
you'll
be
saying
it
is
suitable
for
development,
knowing
you're
giving
you
a
cent
to
potential
for
future
tragedy,
because
cliffs
do
sometimes
shed
their
faces,
especially
with
new
stration
stresses
from
construction
and
compaction
introduced
from
roadways.
Now,
what
was
shown
the
plan
and
was
offered
by
the
staff
was
that
there
120
to
200
feet
from
the
bluff.
That's
simply
not
true.
Okay,
even
the
drawing
show
that
the
plans,
the
plans.
I
I
This
is
what
people
are
going
to
see
when
they
look
that
direction
except
they're
gonna
see
that
with
a
crest
of
homes
across
the
top
of
it,
and
so,
but
you
know
again,
the
concern
of
Katy
Trail
enthusiasts
really
starts
with
visual
impacts,
and
you
know
visual
impacts
within
the
environment,
the
visual
impact
of
Bluff
top
development,
we're
not
just
experienced
by
the
trail
users,
but
there
are
90,000
motorists
that
come
across
that
Daniel
Boone
bridge
every
single
day,
90,000.
Okay.
So
that's
a
lot
of
viewers.
Okay!
I
I
That's
why
we've
got
60-foot
frontages,
okay,
because
we're
trying
to
get
as
many
sites
as
possible
on
this,
and
if
you
go
with
the
wider
road,
you
end
up
with
fewer
developments.
Now
when
they
talk
about
58
acres
in
the
report,
it
says
that
58
acres
of
trees
would
be
removed
due
to
the
grading
of
the
road
and
clearing
of
the
home
sites.
That's
incorrect!
It's
58
acres!
Strictly!
Just
for
the
roadways
not
for
the
the
home
pads
whatsoever,
so
you
can
easily
double
that
amount.
I
Make
that
more
like
120
acres
for
of
trees
that
will
be
removed,
but
even
that
is
questionable
because,
again,
like
my
colleague,
I
went
out,
there
and
I
walked
the
bluff.
I
walked.
The
Katy
Trail
I
walked
out
on
the
Daniel
Boone
bridge
I
walked
on
top
of
the
bluff.
I
stood
on
that
same
point
that
he
did
and
look
down
on
the
wetland.
That's
right
there
and
the
one
thing
that
you
notice
in
that
woodland
is
that
it's
a
dying,
woodland.
Okay,
it
is
dying,
it
is.
I
There
are
over
several
hundred
thousand
invasive
Bush
honeysuckle
throughout
that
woodland.
It
has
not
been
well-maintained.
There
is
not
good
stewardship
currently
going
on
at
that
site,
and
so
no
matter,
no
matter,
it
doesn't
matter
how
many
native
plants
homeowners
put
in
there
that
wood
land
is
in
the
process
of
dying,
because
what
happens
is
honeysuckle
takes
over.
You
know:
shades
out
everything.
It's
an
allele
Oh
Pathak
plant
that
puts
toxic
chemicals
into
the
soil.
I
It
prevents
the
oak
and
hickory
seedlings
from
coming
up,
and
so
what
you're
seeing
is
the
existing
trees
are
out
there?
That's
that's
all
this
going
to
come
out.
Okay,
so
that's
a
problem
that
doesn't
necessarily
weigh
on
the
future
development
I
understand,
and
but
it
is
something
that
you
know
it
is
going
to
have
a
major
impact
on
any
development
out
there,
and
you
know
if
we
really
value
this
as
open
space.
I
Something
needs
to
be
done
that
that
reflects
that
now,
in
most
development
processes,
the
focus
is
on
what
happens
within
the
property
lines.
You
look
at
the
site.
Okay,
this
is
one
site
where
I
would
beg
to
differ
that
you
can't
as
a
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
Look
just
at
the
plan.
Okay,
it's
not
just
a
piece
of
paper.
These
plants,
just
don't
give
you
the
impact
of
these
Bluffs
of
that
terrain
of
the
wetlands
that
sit
down
just
below
it
of
the
riparian
corridor
along
the
Missouri
River
or
the
river
corridor
itself.
I
A
W
W
A
W
Good
evening,
chairman
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Emily
Ashe
Parker
I'm,
an
attorney
with
Lathrop,
gage
and
I'm.
Here
on
behalf
of
the
trustees
of
Weldon
spring
Heights,
they've
asked
me
to
speak
on
their
behalf
on
regarding
the
proposed
development
they
are
in
opposition
to
it.
Tracy
very
eloquently
stated
several
of
the
reasons
why
the
residents
are
concerned.
W
The
village
of
Weldon
spring
Heights
was
built.
The
last
home
was
built
about
30
years
ago
and
around
the
same
time,
the
research
park
was
put
into
play.
This
has
created
several
traffic
concerns
already
I
understand
with
the
expansion
of
the
Nike
plant.
That
adds
an
additional
400
jobs,
which
is
great
for
development
for
economic
development,
but
that
adds
an
additional
eight
hundred
trips
give
or
take
a
day
and
then,
with
the
addition
of
the
3737
trips
that
will
be
added.
W
So
we're
dealing
with
a
very
real
public
safety
issue.
Here
several
residents
have
been
t-boned
trying
to
exit
Weldon
Springs
Heights
on
to
research
park.
Drive
there
have
been
several
near,
misses,
I
understand
that
they
pulled
a
traffic
report,
but
those
are
just
reported
accidents
that
those
don't
report
the
near
misses.
This
picture
shows
the
line
of
sight
when
you
are
leaving
well
done
spring
Heights.
W
Public
safety
needs
to
come
before
a
private
developers
profits.
The
village
of
Walden
spring
Heights,
respectfully
requests
that
the
development
not
be
allowed
to
proceed,
at
least
not
without
some
significant
improvements
being
made.
Her
research
park
drive,
which
would
be
one
of
the
access
points
for
this
new
development.
As
chairman
Griffin
had
suggested.
We
need
to
see
a
traffic
study
more
evidence
as
needed,
of
the
impact.
W
W
X
X
Kelly
7
Weldon
spring
height,
stripe,
Weldon,
Spring,
Missouri,
ok,
first
of
all,
thank
you,
gentlemen.
Very
much
I
know
it's
been
a
long
night
for
everyone.
I'll
try
to
keep
things
short
and
not
overlap.
Anyone
else,
and
you
know
Thank
You.
Mr.
Dawson.
No,
it's
hard
to
get
up
and
speak
like
this
for
two
hours,
I'm,
an
attorney
myself
had
to
do
it.
It's
not
fun.
X
X
How
many
people
here
are
actually
here?
Where
is
it
where
the
line
of
folks
they're
supporting
this
development
I'd
like
to
know
how
many
letters
how
many
emails
were
sent
that
we're
supporting
it?
You
know
we
have
an
extreme
amount
of
environmental
concerns.
There's
some
folks
here
that
are
gonna
kind
of
speak
to
that
and
with
a
little
more
authority
and
I
have.
But
you
know,
there's
a
couple
things
that
I'd
like
to
say
just
based
on
mr.
X
Casas
presentation
that
you
know
I
kept
hearing,
11
million
dollar
investment
over
and
over
again,
unfortunately,
the
global
economy
and
doesn't
really
care
about
the
private
companies,
eleven
million
dollar
investment
every
year.
For
the
last
decade,
more
golf
courses
have
closed
and
opened,
and
the
United
States
Golf
is
a
sport
that
is
not
growing.
Okay,
it's
in
my
opinion,
highly
unlikely
that
this
golf
course
is
going
to
continue
to
be
a
golf
course
throughout
the
remainder
of
this
99
year.
At
least
I.
X
Don't
know
if
you
agree
with
me
or
not,
but
it's
something
to
think
about
also
the
development
timeframe
for
this
12
years
worth
of
development.
You
know
what
happens
if
we
have
another
economic
downturn.
Here's
a
question:
if
it's
only
you
know,
makes
sense
from
an
economic
standpoint
to
develop
it,
but
this
high-density,
you
know
we
have
a
global
economic
downturn.
This
developer
goes
under
this.
You
know
developer,
you
know
everything
slows
down.
You
know
it's
not
gonna,
be
fine,
financially
feasible
for
other
developers
to
come
in
here
and
piecemeal,
build
out
this
project.
X
We're
gonna,
have
a
half
blown
up.
Bluff
that
isn't
cost-effective
to
develop.
I
mean
I.
Think
this
plan
only
works.
If
you
do
it
at
this
density,
and
there's
been
no
discussion
at
all
about
I
haven't
heard
the
word
wildlife
once
okay
and
what
I
have
actually
here
I
mean
I
just
spent
up
a
few
minutes.
You
know
on
the
internet,
but
I
have
a
mo
dot
report
from
when
the
Daniel
Boone
bridge
expansion
took
place.
X
That
shows
that
this
river
Bluff
here
is
home
to
bald
eagles
and
the
Indiana
bat,
which
is
actually
an
endangered
species.
I
have
copies
of
this
report.
If
anyone
would
like
it,
I
didn't
see
anything
mention
about
wildlife
in
that
and
the
staff
report
either.
But
I
can
tell
you
as
a
resident
of
Weldon
spring
Heights.
We
have
great
wildlife,
we
have
the
best
wildlife.
We
have
herds
of
deer
running
through
our
yard.
We
have
eagles
that
we
see
we
have
coyotes,
we
have
I
saw
I
thought
it
was
a
mountain
lion.
X
My
wife
says
I'm
crazy,
but
I
thought
I
saw
a
mountain
lion
and
this
is
all
connected.
Okay
and
you
know
where
we
are
already
feeling
the
effects
of
that
Nike
expansion,
okay
and
we're
trying
to
work
through
that
we're
trying
to
be
good
neighbors,
but
the
amount
of
traffic
like
Emily
alluded
to
that
this
development
is
gonna
cause
us
turn
already
and
dangerous
intersection.
I
am
one
of
the
residents
who
who
saw
one
of
our
other
one
of
our
residents,
get
you
know
hit
like
in
a
t-bone
fashion.
It
was
in
September.
X
Luckily
she
was
fine,
but
I
did
see
the
accident.
You
know
a
couple
nights
ago
my
wife
and
I
were
out
walking
at
5
o'clock
in
it,
and
a
semi
tractor-trailer
truck
blows
right
through
the
stop
sign.
I
mean
there
was
just
the
road
that
was
built
there
30
years
ago
was
not
designed
for
light
manufacturing,
Golf,
Course
hotel
and
a
high
density
residential
development,
and
then
you
know
I
feel
like
I
can
probably
stop
there.
Y
Y
A
Y
Y
Z
Name
is
John
McPheeters
4605,
Olive,
Street,
st.
Louis,
Missouri
I
am
a
board
member
of
the
Cady
land
trust
and
one
of
the
cofounders
of
magnificent
Missouri
and
I
will
try
and
be
very
brief
I'm
just
going
to
hit
a
few
highlights,
so
many
of
which
have
already
been
addressed.
But
this
plan
has
many
significant
legal
issues
with
the
spot.
Zoning
the.
Z
Not
an
okay
I,
just
sometimes
pretend
to
be
one:
okay,
actually
in
the
nursery
business
and
I've
done
some
real
estate
development
myself,
which
I
will
say
way
into
if
this
development
was
in
the
jurisdiction
jurisdiction
of
the
metropolitan
Sewer
District.
The
concerns
with
stormwater
runoff
would
preclude
the
kind
of
development
that's
happening
here.
Z
The
notion
that
the
developers
are
going
to
slope
the
roads,
not
capture
any
of
the
storm
water
that
runs
off
the
roads,
they're
simply
going
to
direct
it
into
these
streams
that
they
have
carefully
avoided
grading
disturbance,
but
they
have
not
accounted
to
my
knowledge
and
they're
presented
presentation
for
any
of
the
issues
that
will
be
exaggerated
by
the
this
additional
stormwater.
That
will
run
into
these
streams
directly
into
the
Missouri
River,
exaggerating,
flooding
downstream,
an
issue
that
I
think
everybody
in
st.
Charles
County
is
aware
of.
Z
Z
Think
there
are
some
issues
with
the
visual
impact.
They've
discussed
very
cogently.
That
may
not
be
visible
from
most
of
the
katy
trail,
but
it
will
be
very
visible,
I
think
from
parts
of
interstate
64,
particularly
when
you're
coming
approaching
the
bridge
from
st.
Louis
County
I,
think
there
will
be
issued
I
think
it
will
be
practically
impossible
for
them
to
keep
it.
So
you
don't
see
any
of
this
development.
Z
Magnificent
Missouri
and
the
Katy
Land
Trust
are
dedicated
to
preserving
natural
beauty
and
the
natural
communities
in
the
state
of
Missouri,
and
particularly
along
the
Missouri
River
in
the
st.
Charles
County
area
and
on
out
to
Hermon,
and
we've
done
held
many
meetings
to
try
and
foster
the
cooperation
between
the
different
towns
and
communities
along
the
Missouri
River
to
promote
tourism
throughout
this
area.
This
plan
would
be
the
first
step
towards
the
possibility
of
future
similar
high
density
development
along
the
Missouri
River.
That
would
be
detrimental
to
the
Katy
Land
Trust.
Z
Excuse
me
not
the
Katy
Lantos,
with
Katy
Trail
and
to
tourism
and
say
Charles
County,
all
of
you
I
think,
have
acknowledged
the
value
of
the
Katy
Trail.
This
is
just
a
step
in
the
wrong
direction.
It's
a
step
that
takes
your
County
in
your
community,
in
my
opinion,
down
a
path
that
you
would
be
ill-advised
to
pursue,
so
I,
recommend
or
recommend
I
encourage
you
to
deny
both
aspects
of
the
rezoning
and
the
Planned
Unit
development
for
this
project.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
A
AA
AA
Today,
we've
got
a
manufacturing
park.
Ok,
don't
kid
ourselves:
it's
not
research!
Ok,
that's
what
we
were
sold
back
in
85,
you
weren't
on
the
board,
probably
at
the
time.
So
hey
you
can't
take
credit
for
that
guy.
So
don't
worry
about
that
you're,
the
stewards
of
the
county.
This
is
an
atrocious
supposed
proposal
for
a
development
of
Bluffs.
AA
It's
not
a
subdivision.
Development
come
out
to
Weldon
spring
walk
it
go
to
the
actual
land
and
welcome.
Have
you
done
that?
Ok,
so
you
know
it's
extreme
topology
challenging
to
build
on
dangerous
roads,
skinny
roads
as
I
heard
people
to
walk
down
steep
roads,
school
buses.
Ups,
you
have
to
ask
yourselves:
is
that
safe
and
to
prove
this
you're
gonna
live
for
that
decision.
AB
AB
Name
is
Mike
Wallace,
another
19
Weldon
spring
Heights,
Drive
Weldon
spring
Heights
Missouri
go
ahead,
mine,
it
killed
six
three
three
or
four
okay.
I
I
naturally
wish
to
do
both
this
down,
but
I
think.
While
your
considers
that
I
had
one
more
question
that
nobody's
addressed
was
most
houses
in
Missouri
have
basements,
the
bluffs
are
rocks
right.
They
remained
stable
for
eons
long
before
we
came
here,
so
those
are
rocks
underneath
that
ground.
So
are
they
going
to
build
these
houses
without
basements?
AB
And
if
that's
the
case,
then
you're
looking
at
a
real
low
resale
value
down
the
future,
because
people
want
basements
in
their
houses
and
if
they
do
put
basements
in
their
houses,
they're
gonna
blast
them
with
dynamite.
Is
that
going
to
look?
What
does
that?
Do
the
bluffs
I
think
that's
a
question.
We're
staff?
That's
asking!
Don't
ask
them!
Okay!
A
AC
Caller
Wolfram
road,
six,
three
three:
oh
four,
that
Steve
I'm
the
only
one
on
that
side
of
the
highway,
so
I
thought
I'd
address
it.
Your
neighbor
may
effect
going
down
that
12%
grade.
You've
almost
hit
me
another
speedy.
There
I've
lived
out
there.
Well
all
my
life,
my
residence
has
been
there
for
40-plus
years
and
in
that
time
I
saw
the
conservation
area
become
the
Research
Park
become
the
industrial
park,
become.
The
golf
course
that
the
county
saved
us
by
going
in
and
making
them
pay
taxes,
the
tax
free
part
was
actually
important.
AC
It
was.
It
was
tragic
that
they
got
away
with
that,
but
thank
you
and
I'm
hoping
you
use
that
same
kind
of
enforcement
with
this,
because
this
is
a
city.
This
is
bigger
than
Weldon
spring
heights
and
Thank
You
Weldon
spring
heights.
I'm.
Sorry,
my
town
could
not
file
a
remonstrance
I
find
that
you
know
the
impact
that
this
is
going
to
have
on
this
area
is
devastating.
AC
I've
lived
with
the
development
by
the
same
company,
same
group
and
Whitmore
Camelot,
both
when
were
filled
with
a
lot
of
promises
that
never
delivered
both
of
them
created
safety
problems,
both
of
them
created
high
impact
on
our
schools
on
our
people
around
the
area,
the
wildlife
this
is
this
is
not
a
friendly
organization.
They'll
come
in
and
create
exclusive
areas
that
will
not
enhance
the
communities.
AC
A
A
O
O
My
father-in-law
was
one
of
the
original
occupants
of
town,
my
wife
and
then
we've
been
there
most
of
our
lives
and
I'm
here
to
say
that
you
know
I've
heard
something
earlier
tonight
from
the
zolteck
representative,
not
sure,
but
he
stated
something
that
you
know.
I
thought
was
interesting.
He
stated
he
had
24
24
hours
a
day,
noise
from
trucks.
O
Did
he
deal
I
hear
that
you
know
the
heights
has
the
head
complaints
on
record
ever
since
the
research
park
has
been
in
dealing
with
noise,
complaints,
smell
complaints
and
traffic
thing
is
something
that
we've
noticed
a
lot
more
lately
and
no
it's.
It
has
been
a
really
concerned,
and
that
was
my
main
concern,
but
the
previous
person
spoke
or
said
that
was
going
to
say
the
same
thing.
I
was
telling
you
know
the
expansion
of
Nike.
It's
gonna
have
it's
going
to
increase
traffic
of
the
80,000
square.
A
A
A
A
AD
What
I,
don't
think
was
said
is
that
it's
a
two-way
stop
at
well:
research,
Park,
Drive
and
Weldon
Spring,
Heights,
Drive
intersection,
so
trucks
and
cars
coming
out
of
the
research
park
don't
have
to
so
they
do
have
to
stop
stuff
going
in,
doesn't
have
to
stop.
So
that's
a
significant
safety
issue
right
there,
the
other
one
is
I,
don't
know
if
you've
been
on
the
research
park
or
Road
at
7:00
in
the
morning
during
the
school
year.
Okay,
you
get
out
to
94
and
you're
in
it
already
at
7
o'clock.
AD
If
you're
gonna
turn
left,
you
just
can't
now
you're
adding
a
ton
more
traffic
to
that
intersection.
That's
it's
just
gonna
be
a
safety
nightmare,
so
I
I,
don't
know
it's
it's
not
good
and
there's
only
two
entrances
right
now.
One
is:
is
the
94
research
park
drive
and
the
other
one?
Is
the
research
park
circle?
AD
Good
luck!
Good!
Luck
think
so.
The
other
thing
is
we.
We
did
mention
a
wildlife
and
it's
just
beautiful-
to
watch
21
deer
cross
the
street.
Until
you
see
that
in
your
neighborhood
and
appreciate
it
all
that
will
be
gone,
there
will
be
that
habitat
will
go
away
and
I.
Don't
think,
that's
something
we
want
to
do
to
our
the
Katy
Trail,
the
conservation
areas.
Any
of
that
around
here.
So
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
I'm
opposed
to
the
development.
That's
all
I
got
to
say
thank.
N
A
A
A
Plethora,
rezoning
and
concept
plans
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
will
be
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
The
Commission
will
then
take
a
recommendation
of
applications
which
will
be
submitted
to
the
st.
Charles
County
Council
for
their
final
decision.
The
individual
items
and
bills
for
this
evening's
application
are
scheduled.
We
introduced
at
the
Monday
January
8
2018
county
council
meeting
applications
for
preliminary
plat
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
will
also
be
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
During
the
meeting,
the
vote
on
Plummer
and
Platts
is
final.
A
Only
a
recommendation
for
denial
of
a
pulmonary
plat
would
be
heard
before
the
County
Council.
The
following
documents
are
introduced
as
a
matter
of
record
for
this
evening,
public
hearing
and
regular
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
the
unified
development
ordinance
of
st.
Charles
County,
including
zoning
Maps
the
year
2025
master
plan
for
st.
Charles
County,
which
includes
a
year
2025
future
Land
Use
Plan
map
everyone,
okay,
so
I'm
going
to
give
you.
A
A
Applications
for
rezoning
and
concept
plans
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
will
be
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
The
Commission
will
then
take
a
recommendation
of
applications
which
will
be
submitted
to
the
st.
Charles
County
Council
for
their
final
decision.
The
individual
items
and
bills
for
this
evening's
application
are
scheduled.
We
introduced
at
the
Monday
January
8
2018
County
Council
I'm,
giving
them
a
time
here.
They
come.
A
R
I'd
like
to
request,
mr.
chairman,
the
hour
is
late:
it
is
10
15
or
10
20
and
they've
been
a
lot
of
questions
raised.
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
it's
clear
to
me
is
that
we
need
to
come
back
with
more
detailed
traffic
information.
I
think
those
requests
is
made
during
my
remarks
that
we
come
back
with
a
traffic
study
that
directly
addresses
those
questions.
I
think
I
had
address
most
of
the
remarks
before
I.
Don't
want
to
go
back
through
a
point-counterpoint
I
think
that's
kind
of
a
waste
of
time.
R
I
do
think,
there's
additional
information.
We
need
to
bring
back
to
this
Commission,
particularly
respect
to
traffic.
If
there
are
other
items
that
the
Commission
particularly
wants
me
address,
we
have
a
conversation
about
some
houses
and
that
thing,
but
I,
think
it's
kind
of
a
detail.
Item
I
think
we
need
to
give
somewhere
in
information
with
respect
to
stormwater,
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
because
I
don't
think,
we've
been
as
clear
about
that
as
some
folks.
Just
it's
a
sense,
I
get
from
the
comments,
and
then
you
know
we
can.
R
N
M
N
There's
specific
regard
muscles
here
is:
why
do
we
have
to
have
the
r3b
sir?
The
idea
that's
going
from
five
acres
down
to
20
houses
on
an
acre
seems
rather
a
graphic
step,
and
also
that
the
fact
that
we
get
this
attorney
appear
and
I
was
reading
before
she
was
talking
about
the
uniform
development
ordinance
spot
zoning
and,
if
you
don't
have
a
copy
of
her
letter,
I'm
sure
furnish
warned
that
she
raises
some
good
points,
so
you
might
address
them
with.
If
you
come
back,
I
confess.
R
Those
tonight
it's
not
spots
owning
this.
This
rezoning
request,
as
a
staff
has
noted,
meets
some
significant
objectives
with
respect
to
things
that
the
county
wants.
It
is
something
that
provides
a
varied
type
of
housing
as
part
of
the
development,
which
is
precisely
the
point
of
your
Planned
Unit
development.
It
does
a
fantastic
job
of
preserving
the
natural
environment
as
part
of
the
development,
which
is
one
of
the
criteria
of
your
plan.
R
Yet
development,
ordinance
and
in
terms
of
it
being
a
benefit
it
adds
it
adds
a
component
of
housing
to
next
to
the
research
part,
which
is
indeed
what
good
planning.
What
have
you
do
and
so
I'm
comfortable
that
we
are
well
within
the
legal
requirements
you
have.
The
staff
believe
that
we
weren't
I
believe
the
staff
would
have
made
a
negative
recommendation.
R
That's
been
my
experience
that
the
staff
would
have
would
have
said
there
was
a
problem
with
that
as
it
relates
to
the
r3b
and
why
we
are
requesting.
That
is
because
of
the
way
your
code
is
set
up
if
I
were
in
a
couple
of
other
communities
and
I'm
not,
but
if
I
were
in
Wentzville,
for
example,
the
way
their
code
is,
they
have
a
plan
development
category
I
asked
for
that:
I
don't
have
to
worry
about
underlying
zones
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
R
That's
just
not
the
way
your
code
setup,
your
code
set
up
to
say:
okay,
what
are
the
uses?
You
want
pick
a
zoning
category
that
allows
those
uses,
that's
your
base
category
and
then
put
a
plan
on
it.
It's
the
plan
that
matters,
because
we
aren't
going
to
have
20
units
per
acre,
we're
not
going
to
have
high
density.
We
can't
our
density
is
one
unit
per
acre,
that's
our
density
and
by
anyone's
definition.
That
is
low
density.
That's
our
plan!
That's
what
your
code
requires,
that
we
follow.
R
We
can't
change
that
and
if
we
come
back
in
with
something
that's
different,
what
would
be
rejected
out
of
hand
because
we
have
to
follow
the
plan
that
you
approve?
So
that's
the
way
your
code
set
up.
So
what
we
were
looking
at
with
our
3b
was
it
a
lot
of
studio,
ster
homes,
a
lot
of
studios
and
allowed
us
to
do
apartments
and
condominiums?
R
Those
were
the
multifamily
uses
that
we
wanted
to
be
able
to
place
in
the
development
which
again
was
part
of
the
objective
of
your
PUD
ordinance,
which
talks
about
having
different
kinds
of
housing
and
in
development
of
different
mix.
That's
why
we
chose
it
now,
if
your
PUD
ordinance
allowed
me
to
simply
select
uses
and
limit
it
in
that
manner.
Trust
me
I
would
have
done
it
because
we
have
absolutely
no
desire
to
develop
to
the
standards
of
our
3b
and
we-
and
you
know
that
okay.
A
D
M
E
E
Saying
I'm,
just
taking
notes,
I
thought
the
the
attorneys
for
for
zolteck
did
a
very
good
of
talking
about
the
discharge
and
a
water
runoff
from
their
place
and
how
that
would
how
the
runoff
would
affect
the
the
houses
here,
as
well
as
the
noise
and
everything
else.
It's
that's
their
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
we
always
have
to
address
is
the
conflict
between
residents
and.
V
E
N
D
Before
you
make,
the
motion
is
the
attorney
for
let's
be
mentioned
and
also
Robert
wire
at
the
onset.
If
this
is
passed
as
an
r3
be
over
light
and
let's
say
everything
went
south
and
the
I
understand
that
Mike
you
would
be
able
to
resend
the
over
light.
So
then,
what's
left
is
still
the
our
3b
zoning.
E
V
E
A
E
D
Gonna
also
suggest
to
the
other
council
members
I've
been
on
this
for
14
years.
This
is
probably
the
most
complicated
and
biggest
impact
yeah
thing.
I've
ever
heard
since
I've
sat
on
this
pnz
I
would
suggest
and
I
know
people
don't
make
they
have
their
otherwise,
but
before
the
next
meeting
here,
maybe
we
can
email
one
another
and
find
a
time
that
we
could
meet
and
go
over
some
of
these
before
that.
So.
A
A
V
V
M
A
T
I
A
J
A
F
A
A
A
Preliminary
plat
17-1
to
property
owners,
Rodney
a
Jones
and
Patricia
s,
Jones
and
Danny
clemmer
and
Jill
clemmer
backs
engineering
is
the
engineer
on
the
property,
the
property
zoning
is
a
agricultural
five
acre
minimum
lot
size
and
the
area
is
fifteen
point.
Five.
Three
nine
acres
number
of
lots
are
three
locations
on
the
south
side
is
on
the
south
and
west
side
of
Forest
Ridge
court,
approximately
750
feet
south
and
Foristell
Road,
and
it's
in
Council
District,
two
staff:
do
you
want
to
give
anything
or
do
you
want
to
just.