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Description
Watch the St. Charles County Planning and Zoning Commission meeting from Sept. 18, 2019.
A
B
D
A
A
Conditional
use,
permit
requests
will
be
heard
tonight
and
once
the
Commission
makes
a
recommendation,
the
applicants
will
be
scheduled
to
the
applications
will
be
scheduled
to
be
introduced.
It's
a
Tuesday
October
15th
2019
County
Council
meeting
public
comment
will
be
taken
tonight
and
at
the
council
meeting
on
Tuesday
October
15
2019
public
comment
on
the
conditional
use.
Permit
applications
will
not
be
taken
at
any
meeting
of
the
County
Council
he'll
thereafter.
A
Applications
for
rezoning
will
also
be
heard
tonight
and
once
the
Commission
makes
a
recommendation,
the
applications
will
be
scheduled
to
be
introduced
at
the
Tuesday
October
15th
2019
County
Council
meeting
applications
for
preliminary
subdivision
Platts
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
will
be
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
During
the
meeting,
the
vote
on
Platts
is
final.
Only
a
recommendation
for
denial
of
a
preliminary
plat
would
be
heard
before
the
County
Council.
The
following
documents
are
introduced
as
a
matter
of
record
for
this
evenings
public
hearing
and
regular
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
A
Those
documents
are
the
unified
development,
ordinance
of
st.
Charles
County,
including
zoning
maps,
and
the
year
2030
master
plan
for
st.
Charles
County,
which
includes
the
year
2030
future
land
use
plan
map
I,
see
that
we
have
a
quorum
I
have
a
motion
to
open
the
meeting.
So
there
a
second
seconds.
E
A
In
favor,
say,
aye
a
little
instruction
as
to
how
our
meetings
run,
I
will
read
applications
into
the
record.
We
will
ask
staff
for
their
report
in
recommendation
and
then
we
will
call
the
applicant
forward
to
present
their
application
and
answer
any
questions
that
the
Commission
may
have
once
the
applicant
is
done.
Then
we
will
open
the
hearing
up
for
the
public.
Anyone
wishing
to
speak
for
or
against
the
application
may
come
forward
at
that
time.
A
Once
we
have
concluded
the
public
hearing,
we
will
ask
the
applicant
to
come
back
and
address
any
concerns
that
may
have
arisen
during
the
public
hearing
portion
of
the
application.
If
you
do
speak,
we
would
ask
that
you
fill
out
one
of
our
index
cards.
It's
there
on
the
rail
so
that
we
get
your
name
and
address
correct
in
our
minutes.
A
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
rezoning
and
conditional
use
request
at
2150
technology
drive
and
one
Doris
Avenue
and
three
Doris
Avenue
application
number
C.
You
are
19.
No
five.
The
application
of
the
applicant
is
Vincent
automotive
properties.
Property
owner
is
golden
bc.
Llc.
The
existing
zoning
is
r
1e
single-family
residential
district
in
r1,
a
single-family
residential
district
requested
zoning
is
C
2
general
commercial
district
with
this
is
also
a
conditional
use
request
for
the
sale
of
automobiles
and
trucks.
The
2030
master
plan
recommends
industrial
uses
for
this
location.
F
Other
zoning
that
could
be
compatible
with
in
the
unincorporated
County
could
include,
for
instance,
I
1,
light
industrial
district
or
high
technology
corridor
district
zoning
in
unincorporated,
st.
Charles
County.
That's
not
what
we
have
before
you
tonight,
because
the
owners
have
requested
c2
zoning
and
their
particular
use
in
that
and
part
I
believe
because
of
particular
use.
The
auto
dealership
or
Auto
Sales
is,
would
not
be
a
permitted
use
in
the
high
technology
corridor
district
and
the
unincorporated
unincorporated
County.
F
In
situations
like
this,
we
have
two
different
applications.
At
the
same
time,
I
like
to
look
at
them
in
two
steps.
First,
is
this
the
right
place
for
the
zoning
that
is
being
requested,
regardless
of
the
conditioner
used
as
being
requested?
Is
this
the
right
place
for
commercial
zoning,
c2
zoning,
and
then
second,
if
it
is
the
second
question
I'll
ask
myself
is:
is
this
the
right
location
for
this
particular
conditional
use
that
there
that
is
being
requested?
F
So
in
my
mind,
if
you
can't
get
past
the
first
question,
the
second
question
is
kind
of
moot.
If
it's
not
the
right
location
for
commercial
zoning,
then
why
even
ask
the
question
is
at
the
right
place
for
that
particular
conditional
use
that
might
be
allowed
in
that
zoning
district.
So,
first
for
c2,
general
commercial
district
again
given
its
location
in
its
context,
visibility
from
I-70
location
next
next
MasterCard
I
would
say
that
that
the
location
is
very
good
for
commercial
or
light
industrial
uses
I.
F
Having
said
that,
it's
next
to
your
residential,
so
there's
a
concern
about
impacts,
land-use
impacts
on
the
residential
neighborhood
for
for
Doris
Lane,
so
that
should
be
taken
into
consideration
as
well.
High
technology
quarter
district
would
be
compatible
with
the
industrial
recommendation
and
I
believe
the
c2
general
commercial
district
is
generally
compatible
as
well.
It's
kind
of
a
step
down
from
that.
So,
given
these
considerations,
County
staff
recommends
that
the
Planning
Zoning
Commission
recommend
approval
for
the
c2
general
commercial
district
zoning.
F
So
then
the
second
question
is
this:
the
right
location
for
Auto
Sales
and
when
you
think
about
the
impacts
for
auto
sales,
includes
things
like
traffic
lights,
auto
dealerships,
frankly,
love
bright
lights,
you
can
see
them
from
long
distances,
sometimes
and
also,
let's
see
traffic
lights,
sometimes
noise.
If
there's
loudspeakers
involved
where
people
are
caught
on
the
property
and
occasionally
you'll
find
that
auto
dealerships
have
I'll
repair
with
it.
That
can
be
a
land
use
impact
in
this
situation.
E
F
D
F
Not
aware
of
any
proposed
widening
for
technology
drive,
I
would
say
it's
conceivable
that,
depending
on
the
level
of
traffic
coming
to
and
from
this
property,
that
at
turn,
lane
under
the
property
might
be
warranted.
But
that's
something
that
would
be
reviewed
at
the
time
of
the
site.
Plan
site
plan,
approval.
D
F
One
thing
that
is
again
reviewed
the
site
plans
stage
would
be
sight
distance
and,
if
there's
a
particular
sight,
distance
problem
that
have
to
be
addressed,
so
you
know,
for
instance,
maybe
a
driveway
might
have
to
be
relocated,
X
number
of
feet
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
proper
sight
distance
for
traffic
moving
and
moving
at
that
speed.
Okay,.
I
A
D
A
H
I
Everyone
and
staff
did
a
great
job
of
interfering.
You
know
probably
saying
almost
everything
that
I
was
gonna
actually
say
at
the
meeting
here.
I'll
touch
base
on
a
few
things
that
were
mentioned.
One
thing:
I'm
talking
about
the
the
property
and
the
location
of
the
building,
the
location
of
the
the
actual
building
and
structure
itself
will
be
on
the
western
side
of
the
property.
I
I
think
there
was
some
mention,
so
then
you
can
imagine
the
dealership,
as
you
go
to
the
east
or
towards
the
South
I
desk
doors
drive,
there's
going
to
be,
there
will
be
inventory
parking
over
there,
but
there's
not
going
to
be.
You
know
a
lot
of
foot
traffic
in
and
out
of
the
building.
You
know
things
like
that
going
on
down
down
at
that
end
and
we
are
showing
a
heavy
landscape
buffer
down
between
the
residents
in
this
particular.
I
You
know
project
which
of
course,
will
have
to
meet
County
requirements
for
the
buffer
yard,
and
then
one
of
the
other
things
is
that
we
will
have
to
be
going
to
mode
out
for
approval
of
the
curb
cuts
which
of
course,
will
have
to
meet.
You
know
they
evaluate
everything
from
sight.
Distance
to
you
know
whether
possibly
a
drop
lane
or
a
center
turn
lane,
or
something
like
that
will
be
needed.
So
we
we
do
have
to
comply
with
those
requirements.
I
That'll
get
flushed
out
in
the
site
plan
and
you
know
civil
drawings
out
of
review
with
this
being
mostly
surrounded
by
MasterCard
I.
Think
the
end
of
this
is
pretty
minimal.
It's
a
fairly
large
facility.
Also
the
area
I.
Think
everybody's
probably
aware
is
I
mean
you
have
MasterCard
the
I.
Guess,
that's
actually
the
East,
that's
a
pretty
large
facility
also
to
the
north,
and
then,
of
course
you
have
a
highway
64
and
then
you
know
the
theater
and
I
guess
Busch
wildlife
actually
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
highway.
I
E
The
only
question
I
have
is
is
again
there
would
there
could
that
could
incorporate
some
kind
of
bomb
there
and
I
realized
that
it's
in
a
low
impact
area
mm-hmm,
but
nonetheless,
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
more
sound
deflection
off
of
asphalt
than
there
is
off
dirt.
So
there
is
going
to
be
a
fair
amount
of
dot
with
it,
especially
going
downhill
following
down
that
way,
and
with
that
it's
it
would
seem
like.
That
would
not
be
a
big
deal
to
put
in
a
berm
there.
I
B
B
B
A
H
F
K
I
C
K
I
K
I
The
point
of
it,
though
it
fills
up
and
it
stores
that
and
we
release
it
at
a
slower
rate.
So
we
don't
so.
The
release
rate
from
the
property
is
the
same
or
less
than
what
it
is
today,
so
it
still
gets
released
and
if
you're
asking
about
the
drainage
of
the
property,
it
basically
drains
towards
highway
40,
there's
a
couple
drawers
down
right
at
the
outer
road
and
it
goes
underneath
highway
from
highway.
64
to
the
other
side
is
where
the
drainage
ultimately
goes.
I
A
A
A
L
The
city
of
El
Valle
is
going
to
look
at
this
property
for
many
years
in
terms
of
having
it
on
our
list
for
potential
annexation
within
the
city.
Seeing
that
it
is
now
unoccupied.
You
know
we're
starting
to
look
at
the
opportunity
to
consider
it
as
part
of
our
high-tech
district
and
which
is
join
there
by
MasterCard.
L
L
L
We
also
think
that
the
idea
is
that
moving
it
to
commercial,
if
the
county
would
choose
to
do
that,
might
be
appropriate.
Given
the
economic
activities
going
on
there,
we
do
have
a
concern
that
the
use
of
a
car
dealership
is
not
the
best
use
within
commercial.
As
you
well
know,
car
dealerships
don't
generate
direct
sales.
Tax
for
communities
of
the
county.
Sales
is
based
upon
where
the
purchaser
of
the
car
lives.
So
someone
from
out
of
state
Illinois,
Warren
County
wherever
could
come
in,
buy
that
car
and
pay
their
sales
sex
elsewhere.
L
Some
serious
look
at
traffic
impacts
that
this
will
generate
Public
Safety
high
volume
times
for
MasterCard,
and
we
had
hoped
that
we
could
work
with
the
county
to
to
do
what
is
best
for
not
only
citizens
of
the
county
business
operations
in
the
city
of
O'fallon,
but
the
st.
Charles
County
and
whole.
So
that's
questions.
A
G
G
I
represent
golden
bc
LLC,
who
the
managing
principal
that
is
Lisa,
Bao,
II
and
I
helped
Lisa
buy
this
property
number
years
ago
and
at
the
time
her
thought
was.
She
was
going
to
develop
a
memorial
or
a
funeral
life
event
center
there
and
those
plans
have
changed,
and
at
this
point
this
you
know,
xxs
property
I've
been
trying
to
market
the
property
for
a
number
of
years,
and
we've
had
numerous
discussions
with
mastercard.
They
have
no
interest
in
the
property
and
have
no
reason
to
believe
they
will
in
the
foreseeable
future.
G
G
Been
marketing
it
a
matter
of
fact,
this
probably
been
three
years
and
for
a
period
of
time
hope
is
headed
under
contract.
They
were
thinking
of
building
an
office
building.
We
were
trying
to
find
tenants
for
some
pre
leasing,
and
you
know
nothing
really
materialized,
so
you
know
there's
definitely
a
higher
and
better
use
for
the
property
and
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
good
use
for
the
property.
Okay.
Thank
you.
A
M
M
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
make
part
of
the
public
record
I'm
very
highly
opposed
to
this.
This
has
been
a
very
controversial
issue
in
the
technology
corridor
about
lean
usage
in
the
technology
corridor,
both
in
the
municipalities
in
the
county
as
a
whole.
We
are
running
out
of
space
and
we
need
to
build
this.
Our
technology
corridor
is
being
known
and
recognized
nationally.
It's
a
designation.
It's
a
place
to
live
a
place
to
recreative
as
families
and
educate
their
children.
M
If
clear,
as
I
could
see,
when
I
drove
by
the
property,
I
saw
a
little
small
sign,
that
said
a
public
hearing
and
I
think
it
was
maybe
18
by
21,
inches
or
22
inch
type
yard,
sign
and
I.
Don't
think
that
that
goes
far
enough,
so
I'd
like
to
see
some
type
of
proof
from
the
County
Planning
Division
that
the
people
are
mailed,
some
type
of
notification
within
the
proper
allowable
sight,
I
think
it's
350
feet
or
400
400
feet
of
the
property
lines.
M
It's
right.
There
is
the
name
of
it
all
technology.
Our
comprehensive
plan
there
just
was
recently
debated
and
debated
very
heavily
by
a
committee
recommendation
to
the
planing.
His
own
commission
was
fully
majority
overwhelmingly
by
Planning
and
Zoning
recommended
to
the
county
council
and
that
comprehensive
plan
was
passed
in
2018
and
was
passed
with
flying
colors,
and
it
says
we
need
to
keep
our
technology
corridor
intact.
M
Mr.
Meyer
said:
is
this
the
right
place?
No,
it's
not.
A
car
dealership
does
not
meet
the
threshold
or
the
definition
of
technology
we're
giving
away
our
future.
In
my
opinion
and
I,
ask
that
you
vote
down
the
rezoning
in
the
conditional
use
permit.
This
just
is
a
great
concept,
but
it's
not
the
place,
we're
giving
away
valuable
land
uses,
and
it
goes
against
the
comprehensive
plan
that
said
that
this
is
our
technology
corridor
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
stick
to
our
guns
is
that's
the
future
technology
is
everything.
M
Technology
is
advancing
and
in
ever
occurring
on
a
daily
weekly
basis,
the
st.
Louis
region
is
known
as
homing
in
in
getting
technology
companies
to
move
to
Missouri
and
there's
incentives
to
do
that.
I
also
have
some
problems
and
would
like
to
make
it
a
matter
of
record,
as
I
have
in
previous
applications,
no
notification
to
the
city
of
O'fallon.
M
M
I'm
opposed
to
this
rezoning
opposes
conditional
use
permit
and
will
ask
the
City
Council
to
pass
our
monstrance
requiring
a
supermajority
vote
of
the
County
Council.
It
also
goes
against
the
newly
passed
County
Comprehensive
Plan
I
do
have
some
lighting
concerns
of
the
joining
neighborhood
to
make
sure
that
I
don't
see
a
lighting
plan
and
the
package
I
guess
it'll
come
with
the
preliminary
property.
I
also
have
some
problems
with
effect
on
residential
neighborhood
property
values
and
also
the
technology
corridor.
Property
values.
M
If
you
would
approve
this
or
you
don't
have
the
approval
power,
you
have
the
advisory
power
to
recommend
to
the
county
council,
but
if
you
would
pass
it
on
to
the
county
council,
it
would
lower
the
values
of
the
residential
and
also
the
technology
corridor.
I
believe
is
our
economic
development
director,
the
city
of
O'fallon,
said
mr.
McKeon
other
land
options
and
there's
better
access
to
I-64
of
nearby
parcels
that
give
the
Buick
dealership
some
other
opportunities.
M
The
traffic
study
we've
kind
of
seen
again
once
again.
The
cart
before
the
horse.
Where
is
the
traffic
study
I,
feel
that
with
the
master
card
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
have
experience
people
going
to
Master
Card
between
6
o'clock
and
9:30
in
the
morning,
but
it's
a
traffic
jam
and
at
night
between
3
o'clock
and
6
o'clock,
again,
it's
a
traffic
jam.
What
will
this
dealership
do
to
the
ever-growing
traffic
issue
at
that
corridor
of
Technology
Boulevard
right
across
the
street?
M
Is
a
Mercy
Health
Care
Center
I
have
some
concerns
about
the
landscaping
about
the
berms
and
staff
did
not
recommend
but
recommend
any
conditions
for
derelict
vehicles
for
damaged
vehicles
unsightly
that
may
sit
on
the
property
for
more
than
30
days.
Unfortunately,
if
you
drive
around
town
and
see
some
of
these
new
car
dealerships,
they
get
a
lot
of
wrecked
vehicles
in
their
body
shop
and
some
of
them
sit
there
for
six
months.
Two
years
without
being
touched
or
moved
what
about
unlicensed
vehicles?
M
What
about
the
storage
of
parts
I,
don't
see
a
condition
about
that
to
protect
the
county
and
the
adjoining
neighborhoods
in
solvents.
Some
of
these
dealerships
like
to
keep
drums
outside
and
so
I,
don't
see
a
condition.
They're
saying
no
outside
storage,
the
signage
I
would
be
opposed
to
any
pull
signs
and
would
be
a
favor
of
monument
signs.
There
are
some
runoff
issues
to
kind
of
address
that
but
I
think
because
of
the
slope
of
the
property
you're
looking
at
causing
some
flooding
to
the
adjoining
neighborhoods.
M
Again,
there's
no
comments
from
our
partners
in
utilities.
There's
no
comments
from
the
fire
marshal
or
once
full
fire
protection
district,
and,
of
course
this
will
not
affect
school
district
about
turning
radius,
because
it's
a
commercial
piece
of
property,
but
the
bottom
line
is,
is
I'm
highly
opposed
to
this
rezoning
and
conditional
use.
Permit
it's
not
the
proper
place.
It's
not
the
place
to
put
a
car
dealership
and
I.
Ask
that
you
vote
this
recommendation
of
the
County
Council
down
I.
A
A
A
I
I
County
very
often
asked
us
for
a
traffic
study.
This
may
be
more
its
MoDOT
velasquez
for
traffic
studies,
if,
if
they
do
request
it
and
feel
it's
necessary
I
mean,
of
course
we
we
have
to
comply.
We
just
can't
say
we're
not
going
to
do
a
traffic
study
just
like
let's
just
I'll
go
through
a
few
things,
I
think
talking
about
MasterCard.
The
number
of
we
could
flip
this
over
and
take
a
Lots
right
there.
A
number
of
cars
employees
I
think
this
dealerships
gonna
be
adding
minimal
traffic
minimal
to
the
roadways.
I
It
may
have
some
impact,
don't
know
if
the
study,
if
you
add
those
X
number
of
cars
per
hour,
our
four
you
know
until
the
study
is
done,
would
it
warrant
some
road
improvements,
but
that
would
be
where
the
study
would
you
know
it
would
pan
out
and
say?
Well,
you
need
to
put
a
right
turn
lane
or
a
center
turn
lane,
or
something
like
that,
but
I
think
I
mean
really
through
my
years
of
doing
this.
I
You
know
I'm,
not
sure,
that's
the
greatest
thing
same
with
some
other
things.
Owning
I
mean
I
found
just
a
breeze
owned.
100
acres
nearby.
Well,
that's
great!
But
then,
if
that's
the
case,
why
is
this
not
appropriate
for
the
same
zoning?
You
know
I,
don't
know
how
many
times
over
my
17
years
that
we've
rezone
property
and
o'fallon
out
of
the
KY
Tech
quarter
of
district,
because
we
just
can't
it's
hard
to
pigeonhole
a
lot
of
things
into
that
high
tech,
corridor,
district
and
I.
I
Think
that's
why
this
property's
probably
said
vacant
for
so
long.
So
at
what
point
do
we
allow?
You
know
commercial
zoning
within
the
high
tech
corridor
district
to
help
facilitate
development.
I
mean
we've
been
doing
that
for
forever.
Since
I
started
at
Beck's
engineering,
we've
been
rezoning
property
and
just
because
you
know
when
you're
looking
at
the
high
tech
light
manufacturing
and
office,
it's
just
finding
those
big
users,
it's
just
very
difficult
to
do,
and
then
you're
only
looking
at
a
seven
acre
parcel,
which
maybe
is
the
other
problem
that
you
just
can't.
There's
not.
I
You
can't
get
a
huge
user
for
that
sized
parcel
I
would
say,
touch
base
on
the
runoff.
Even
if
we
didn't
have
detention
on
this
property,
we're
not
kind
of
fought
anybody.
Water
goes
down
underneath
the
highway.
We
have
to
provide
detention.
We
have
to
provide
it's
it's
it's
the
same
type
of
detention
system
that
would
be
done
on
any
other,
whether
it's
underground
or
above-ground.
We
do
have
to
limit
that
that
that
release
from
the
property
of
the
storm
water.
I
Better
land
options
I
mean
we
could
tell
that
any
developed
there.
That
comes
down.
I've
heard
this
probably
150
times.
In
my
you
know
what
happens
if
they
go
out
of
business?
Well,
I'm
not
gonna.
Tell
mr.
Benson
can't
open
a
business
because
somebody's
worried
that
he
might
go
out
of
business
or
you
know
I,
just
I
touch
them
based
on
a
lot
of
those
things.
It's
just
you're
gonna
try
to
tell
somebody
that
they
can't
sell
their
property.
I
Do
you
suppose
a
particular
user
I
know
we're
asking
for
rezoning
and
conditional
use,
but
I
mean
look
at
in
the
area
of
looking
at
MasterCard
and
feel
it's
a
pretty
good
fit
I'm
transitioning
from,
and
you
got
your
high
tech
corridor,
but
we
got
a
highway.
You
got
pushed
well
by.
If
you
got
the
theater,
you
got
MasterCard.
You
know
that
the
use
we
feel
is
pre
fairly
appropriate
for
this.
For
this
area,
I
have.
H
The
honestly,
it's
all
is
spread
out
all
through
the
day.
I,
don't
know
that.
There's
one
rush.
The
service
departments
get
a
little
busier
in
the
morning,
but
that's
a
smaller
amount
of
people
most
of
the
employees
would
come
to
work
around
9:00
a.m.
and
work
till
5:30
or
so
probably
50
to
60
employees.
Would
you
know
within
the
first
year,
you'd.
B
H
A
F
A
C
F
D
A
E
A
B
K
N
A
B
B
B
N
C
B
Okay,
I've
just
seen
some
of
this
where
something
gets
built
and
then
that
property
owners
kind
of
stuck
and
they
didn't
realize
it.
It's
happened
in
a
couple
of
neighborhoods
that
I
live
in,
and
a
couple
houses
have
gotten
too
close
and
I
didn't
I
didn't
pay
attention,
so
I'm
gonna
pay
attention
on
this
one,
a
little
bit
more
so
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
that
house
right
there
in
the
back.
B
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
do
anything
to
cut
a
little
bit
more
of
that
back
section
off
I
know
you
lose
about
20
parking
spots.
It
looks
like
I'm
counting
correctly
just
something
to
consider
and
I
know.
You've
already
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this.
So
I
don't
know
what
your
thoughts
are
on
that
mr.
Benson.
C
H
We
expand
over,
you
know
a
number
of
years,
but
probably
initially
we
would
probably
not
use
that
far
end
down
there.
Oh
they're,
just
you
know
excess
storage
or
something
if
we
did
have
extra
vehicles,
but
that
property
is
large
enough,
that
you
know
really
I
command
vision.
That
more
of
you
know
a
little
green
space
on
the
corner
with
some
vehicle
display
from
the
from
the
highway
frontage
mm-hmm.
E
I
B
Feel
comfortable
or
it's
not
so
much
for
me,
I
just
I
know!
Well,
it
is
me
I
mean
this.
It
cuz
they're,
not
here,
but
if
they
were
here,
I'm
sure
they'd
be
saying
the
same
thing
I
would
assume
they
are
unless
they're
on
and
let's
say,
Alma
dealership,
I
guess
now,
but
anytime
something
gets
that
close
to
a
property.
That's
going
to
beacon.
So
in
commercial,
that's
post,
close
to
a
house
like
that
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
it,
yeah
so
yep.
A
M
You,
mr.
chairman,
members
of
the
Commission
are
dact.
No
public
advocate
and
resident
I
would
like
the
Commission.
Since
you
did
pass.
The
rezoning
I
would
like
the
following
conditions
to
be
added
number
one,
that
there
be
a
realistic
landscaping
plan
to
protect
everybody's
property
rights
and
property
values
that
a
burn
be
constructed
to
the
type
three
style
that
we've
talked
about
in
past
months
before
this
commission.
So
a
type
three
berm
which
would
provide
for
landscaping
on
the
inside
a
berm
in
the
middle
and
landscaping.
M
That
is
a
more
of
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
the
jesters
and
insurance
companies
to
figure
out
what
they're
gonna
do
with
the
damaged
or
collision
type
vehicle,
and
that
you
provide
the
condition
that
no
parts
be
stored
on
the
outside
of
the
building.
At
any
time.
That
new
solvents
be
stored
on
the
outside
of
the
building
at
any
time
and
also
there's
been
a
problem
with
other
dealerships
in
the
st.
M
L
We
just
located
Dyna
flex
into
nearby
the
site,
10
acre
site,
their
high-tech
manufacturing
company.
That's
going
to
create
a
hundred
and
60
jobs.
You
know
we
opportunities
are
there?
The
demand
is
there,
so,
instead
of
going
down
the
path
of
potentially
a
conditional
use
permit,
which
is
not
a
more
non-traditional
use
of
a
zoning,
we
would
love
the
opportunity
to
market
this
site
as
a
for
it's
its
intended
use.
As
a
c2,
so
that,
like
I,
said
just
looking
to
make
eliminate
elements,
thank
you
thank.
A
E
So
yes,
I'm
trying
to
this
Patrick
justit,
was
talking
about
what
how
that
would
be
navigated
in
terms
of
I
mean
we
have
zoned
it
C
2,
where
we
voted
to
zone
at
C
2.
Are
we
then
only
approving
it
with
this
use
on
C
2?
Now
it
is
the
C
to
zoning.
Just
stay
with
this.
Are
the
conditional
just
with
this.
You
know
it
would
stay.
C,
okay
would
Stacey.
Yes,.
F
So
if
it
should,
it
be
approved
the
commercial
zoning,
but
not
the
condition,
use
permit,
it
could
be
any
use
that's
allowed
by
right
in
that
district.
It
could
be
used
for
that
purpose
and
I
would
say
the
businesses
do
come
and
go
over
the
years.
No,
you
may
have
a
really
strong
business
for
10
15
20
years
and
naturally
there's
turnover.
So
what
really?
What
you're
looking
at
is
the
long
term
is
this.
The
right
does
this
use
classification,
commercial?
F
F
A
A
A
So
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
conditional
use
permit
requested
under
C.
You
are
C.
You
are
19
205,
as
amended
with
a
condition
number
5,
the
requirement
of
a
perm
on
the
eastern
end
of
the
eastern
section
of
the
property
abutting
Doris
Avenue,
the
berm
and
landscaping
to
be
per
county
standards.
So
it
should
entertain
a
motion
at
mclogan,
say
mr.
Kuhn
make
the
motion
mr.
Fleury
made
a
second
mr.
Leonard.
How
do
you
vote
yes,.
K
A
Next
on
the
agenda
is
a
rezoning
request.
The
location
is
seventy
three:
seventy
Weber
Lake
Road,
the
application
is
our
Z
1911.
The
applicant
is
Paul
and
Holly
stump.
If
I
got
that
right.
Property
owners
Holly
stump.
Existing
zoning
is
a
agricultural
district.
With
density,
floodway,
overlay
district
requested
zoning
is
see
to
general
commercial
district
with
density,
floodway
overlay
district,
the
2030
master
plan
recommends
agricultural
use,
the
parcel
size
is
3.7
acres.
J
J
Some
of
our
inspectors
were
out
doing
flood
inspections
and
they
submitted
pictures
of
buildings
as
they
go
through
this
whole
process.
This
came
to
our
attention
because
the
pictures
submitted
showed
that
the
property
is
currently
being
used
in
what
is
considered
a
general
commercial
c2
type
of
permissive
use.
J
Staff
did
put
this
through
our
code
enforcement
procedures
and
we
advise
the
app
the
current
applicant
that
this
would
require
a
zoning
change,
but
it
would
also
require
a
build
use
change.
The
property
was
originally
I
believe
it
was
either
floodplain
is
what
they
called
it
in
1959,
but
it
was
Rees
owned
to
heavy
industrial
in
1969
the
owner.
At
that
time,
Riis
owned
a
considerable
little
area
here
about
10
acres
to
heavy
industrial.
J
We
never
really
found
any
evidence
that
it
was
ever
used
for
heavy
industrial
purposes.
However,
we
do
understand
that
on
the
corner
here
there
are
some
not
quite
sure
I
would
call
them
industrial
uses,
but
they
do
have
employees
on
site
and
there
are
some
storage
and
warehousing
type
of
situations,
but
from
that
1969
rezoning
to
heavy
industrial
in
2008
the
current
owner
at
that
time,
rezone
the
property
to
agricultural.
They
had
intended
to
build
a
house,
they
built
the
pole
barn
previously
and
they
intended
to
build
a
house
on
that
property.
J
So
that
is
why
it
was
recommended
for
approval
to
agricultural
zoning.
You
also
heard
mentioned
the
density
floodway
area.
It
is
in
a
floodplain.
The
building
itself
is
elevated.
However,
access
to
the
property
parking
lot,
things
of
this
nature
are
all
below
the
base.
Flood
elevation,
the
property
is
also,
as
you
can
see,
is
located
to
the
north
east
of
what
we
consider
a
minor
intersection.
It's
in
its
major
to
the
people
that
live
out
there,
but
its
minor
in
terms
of
commercial
uses.
J
J
A
O
Paul
Stumpf
I'm
at
29:10,
Starlin
Drive,
st.
Charles
Missouri,
this
being
my
first
county
council
meeting.
Please
excuse
my
nervousness
as
we
work
through
this
here.
I've
been
an
auctioneer
for
nearly
15
years.
I've
worked
out
of
the
st.
Charles
area
and
out
of
the
Winfield
area
for
the
last
15
years.
During
that
15
years
we
have
been
renting
buildings
and
building
our
business
from
scratch.
O
O
O
What
we
are
simply
asking
is
that
it
be
reasoned
to
back
to
either
the
light
industrial
or
commercial
so
that
we
can
continue
our
business.
We
usually
hold
auctions
about
once
a
month,
perhaps
in
the
future,
twice
a
month,
usually
on
the
first
Saturday
morning
of
each
month,
the
rest
of
the
time
the
building
is
a
storage
building.
We
have
spent
a
significant
amount
of
money,
not
only
purchasing
the
building,
but
also
with.
O
O
We
provide
a
significant
need
to
the
community
for,
as
an
auction
house,
we
provide
services
that
most
auction
companies
can't
provide,
such
as
taking
anything
from
one
item
to
a
warehouse
of
items.
Our
most
common
customer
is
usually
children
of
deceased
parents
who
have
no
idea
what
to
do
with
their
parents,
goods
or
personal
property.
O
We
are
also
personal
property
appraisers,
so
we
provide
an
opportunity
to
give
education
as
far
as
what
people
have
and
what
they
couldn't
do
with
some
of
their
personal
property.
We
also
provide
other
needs
in
the
community,
such
as
fundraiser
auctions
for
organizations
such
as
care
to
learn
and
the
Megan
Meier
foundation.
O
O
We
have
literally
put
our
blood,
sweat
and
tears
and
building
this
business
by
denying
the
ability
to
give
us
the
correct
zoning
would
effectively
put
half
a
dozen
people
out
of
work,
not
to
mention
in
the
severe
debt
where,
after
purchasing
the
building
and
doing
the
upgrades
that
we
have,
we
are
very
familiar
with
the
neighbors
that
we
have
next
to
us.
They
are
also
in
favor
of
the
business
that
we
are
trying
to
do.
O
A
M
M
It's
a
pole,
barn
so
I'd
like
to
see
some
type
of
conditions
added
to
this
application:
the
conversion
to
allow
free
flow
of
water
through
the
building.
As
we
all
know,
this
area,
floods
tremendously
and
there
shouldn't
be
any
barriers
and
there
should
be
a
free
flow
of
water.
So
I
would
ask
that
that
Commission
be
added,
but
this
community
of
portage
too
soon
the
unincorporated
neighborhoods
around
portage
to
sue
really
need
this
economic
boom
in
this
service.
M
As
the
person
that's
put
in
his
blood,
sweat
and
tears,
and
probably
his
life
savings,
it
really
needs
some
spurred
economic
development
and
it
needs
something
otherwise
portage
to
sue
in
that
unincorporated
area,
just
isn't
going
to
survive
and
so
I
know,
there's
special
conditions
here.
It's
unfortunate
that
they
didn't
know
all
the
rules
and
regulations
up
front
by
the
real
estate
agent
and
by
the
closing
company
at
the
title
company.
But
I
would
ask
that
you
provide
the
conditions
for
flood
relief
and
that
you
approve
the
change
of
Zoning
change
and
the
permissive.
M
A
A
C
O
O
It
would
have
needed
to
come
up
at
least
another
three
to
four
more
feet
just
to
even
reach
the
building
I
was
able
to
drive
to
the
building
at
any.
Given
time
during
the
flood
process,
there
was
some
water
on
the
road,
but
six
eight
inches
at
most.
If
the
building
had
been
there
during
the
flood
of
93,
the
building
still
would
have
been
dry.
The
water
would
not
have
come
up
as
far
as
the
open
flood
way.
O
K
K
K
O
O
K
K
O
Can
only
go
on
the
two
sources
of
information,
I
was
provided,
and
that
would
be
the
neighbors
who
said
the
water
would
not
have
been
in
there,
and
the
second
would
be
the
land
survey.
That
said,
the
water
would
not
be
there.
I,
don't
know
for
sure
I'm.
Only
going
on
the
two
pieces
of
information
that
I
was
provided
so
I'm.
Just
simply
relaying
that
information
to
you,
that's
all
I
can
tell
you.
K
O
O
Okay,
all
I
can
tell
you,
sir,
is
that
it
as
an
auction
house
we're
not
open
every
day.
It's
it's
once
a
month,
and
it
is
easy
to
make
preparations
for
flooding
situations
the
product
that
we
have
is
out
of
there.
Every
month,
floods
are
predictable
and
the
product
can
be
moved.
There's
there's
very
little
to
no
significant
impact
to
the
building.
If
water
were
to
get
in
there.
O
A
E
Have
a
question
for
the
staff
yeah
under
if
it
were
to
remain
agricultural,
you
said
I
know:
that's
not
what
the
applicants
asking
would
there
be
a
conditional
use
that
it
could
fall
under
under
the
agricultural
zoning
because
it
looks
like
there's
quite
a
few
different
conditional
uses?
Can
you
see
anyone
that
it
would
fall
under
and
that.
G
C
J
D
A
J
Is
currently
heavy
industrial
that
was
what
was
Reese
owned
in
1969
from
what
I
understand
the
current
owner
at
that
time
had
intended
to
expand
a
heavy
industrial
use
and
if
you're
aware
there
are
a
lot
of
heavy
industrial
zoning
areas
in
that
in
the
northern
part
of
st.
Charles
County.
There
was
a
lot
of
anticipation
that
the
railroad
would
bring
heavy
industrial
development
and.
J
From
what
I
understand
there,
it's
not
heavy
industrial
type
of
uses,
it's
more
in
the
there's
warehousing
going
on.
I
understand
that
I
think
there
might
be
some
car
repair,
which
would
be
a
general
commercial
with
well
general
commercial
allows
car
repair
on
its
own,
but
no
heavy
industrial
use.
Mr.
K
K
Ditch
there,
where
you
see
the
other
buildings
and
houses
all
that
farm
ground
was
part
of
this
track
at
one
time,
and
it
was
in
operation
for
many
years
and
I
got
sick
and
he
passed
away
in
the
business
just
kind
of
went
to
pot.
After
that
there
was
a
couple
of
st.
Charles
County
business
men
took
it
over
for
a
while.
I
ran
it
for
about
three
years
and
it
didn't
work.
So
Elliott
is
right.
I
know,
there's
some
car
repairs
going
on
down
there.
It's
a
storage
lot,
there's
also
a
lumens
limousine
service.
C
K
A
C
A
N
K
C
A
Next
on
the
agenda
is
rezoning,
request,
location
is
2601,
highway,
94
South,
the
application
numbers
are
Z,
19-12
applicant
is
Rick
Yemm
stout
property
owners
are
Rick,
M,
stout,
Pamela,
M,
stout
Sallie,
Jay
Payton
and
Susan
J
Shipman.
The
existing
zoning
is
P
our
Park
recreational
district
with
floodway
fringe
overlay
district.
The
requested
zoning
is
a
agricultural
district
with
floodway
fringe
overlay
district.
The
2030
master
plan
recommends
agricultural
use.
The
parcel
size
is
fifty
two
point:
seven,
four
acres,
the
location
is
the
south
southwest
of
the
intersection
of
Highway
F
and
94.
J
J
Park,
recreational:
you
will
find
a
lot
of
old
zoning
where
they
had
fishing
lakes
and
camping
and
such.
Unfortunately,
though,
you
cannot
build
a
house
currently
under
Park
recreational.
This
is
four
separate
properties.
They
would
like
to
build
homes
on
this
on
these
properties.
This
was
this
request.
Agricultural
zoning
is
recommended
by
staff.
A
P
P
C
P
P
But
there's
no
no
development
planned
for
the
other
two
parcels
or
for
the
one
that
I
live
on
I
own,
the
the
middle
parcel
there,
which
is
a
10
acre
piece.
That's
just
north
of
that
property.
Where
my
house
is
located.
That's
that
that's
no,
the
one
that's
that's
carved
out
is
the
one
that
that
Nick
owns
it
was
was
Susie's
and
then
to
the
west
of
that
there's
a
there's,
a
lake,
that's
very
shallow,
very
marshy.
It
disappears
and
in
drought
times.
P
Although
one
year
I
was
breaking
the
coal
for
my
dad
and
I
needed
a
place
where
I
could
kind
of
let
her
stretch
out
and
I'd
take
her
down
in
that
lake
bed
Loper
around.
So
she
didn't
have
to
worry
about
any
fences.
It
was
a
nice
level
spot
and
good
and
dry,
so
you
can't
rely
on
it
for
water
and
real
honestly,
the
potential
for
a
yacht
club
or
whatever
is
pretty
limited
so
and
and
the
creeks
kind
of
shadow
of
its
former
self
there.
So.
P
You
know
that's
just
a
lot
of
its
in
floodplain
a
lot
of
its
in
flood
way,
and
so
that
parcel
has
really
no
potential
for
anything
but
agricultural
use
or
or
just
wetlands.
So
it's
not
like
everybody's.
You
know
we're
all
planning
to
go
out
and
and
have
a
bunch
of
houses
pop
up
on
the
place.
It's.
What
we
really
want
to
do
is
just
preserve
the
the
status
quo
and
harmonize
the
the
zoning
with
what's
really
going
on
there
yeah.
Oh.
P
A
A
M
You
very
much
mr.
chairman
members
of
the
Commission.
My
name
is
Arne
C,
a
CD
Knopf,
Public,
Advocate
and
resident
mailing
addresses
peel
Box
1535
Oh.
Follow
me
first
of
all,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
this
property
got
into
Park.
Recreational
district
with
the
floodway
fringe.
I
understand
the
plug
by
fringe
part,
but
I
really
believe
in
private
property
owner
rights,
especially
in
this
part
of
the
county,
and
so
our
2030
master
plan
recommends
agricultural
everything
south
of
Missouri,
Highway
n
would
require
a
five
acre
minimum
for
any
construction
of
homes.
M
I
would
be
in
favor
of
this
request
and
ask
you
for
an
amorous
approval.
I
think
it's
sort
of
reasonable
request,
I
think
it's
a
homestead
type
property
and
I
would
ask
that
these
people
be
allowed
to
enjoy
the
proper
use
and
proper
zoning
of
their
property
in
its
entirety.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
C
A
On
the
agenda
is
approval
of
Liberty
plat
for
Koehler
estates,
plat
one
located
at
40:19
highway
D.
This
application
is
pre-1920
Lillis
badi,
incorporated
owners,
Culver
development,
company
LLC
property
zoning
is
our
our
single-family
residential
district,
three
acre
minimum
lot
size.
The
area
consists
of
one
hundred
and
seventeen
point:
two
five
acres
number
of
Lots,
a
thirty.
The
location
is
on
the
southwest
corner
of
the
intersection
of
Highway
day
D
and
Binney
Road.
This
is
located
in
Council
District,
two
staff.
A
J
Plant
was
originally
approved
in
June
of
2017
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
during
the
two-year
period
that
they
have
to
get
the
flat
final
plat,
approved
and
recorded
the
preliminary
plat
did
expire
and
during
that
time,
in
June
of
2019.
So
with
that
they
have
resubmitted
their
revised
preliminary
plan.
I
believe
the
only
revision
is
the
entrance
that
which
they
have
worked
out
with
MoDOT.
A
Q
The
record,
my
name
is
Bart
Corman,
with
Lewis
and
maytee
surveyors
and
engineers.
Our
address
is
101
East
Walton
warrant
in
Missouri.
Well,
yes,
sir
I
yeah
staff
just
basically
said
the
summary
of
it
just
just
to
two
small
things
that
hit
the
we
were.
We
were
probably
on
scheduled
to
meet
the
two
years,
but
but
early
on
in
the
in
the
process,
mr.
Jim
color
passed
away.
Q
So
so
that
kind
of
slowed
the
family
down
a
little
bit
on
on
the
development,
and
then
we
had
a
an
issue
with
the
core
on
a
creek
crossing.
They
required
us
to
get
a
cultural
clearance
and
the
cultural
clearance
ship
owner
required
us
to
do.
A
cultural
study
study
came
back,
minimal
findings
and
moved
on,
but
those
those
delayed
some
of
our
process
as
well
as
well
as
as,
as
you
know,
this
the
spring
wasn't
the
best
for
construction
as
well.
E
Q
Q
Q
B
A
F
A
A
M
M
M
The
first
thing
I'd
like
to
bring
up
is
I
know
this
was
passed
back
in
June
of
2017,
but
it
appears
to
me
that
there
could
be
some
density
issues.
As
you
all
know,
the
committee
and
the
County
Council
and
you
all
set
I
believe
the
highway
and
corridor
I
think
it
was
hopeful
Road
area
as
three
acres.
That's
north
as
three
acres.
A
lot
minimum
in
this
case
I
think
it
falls
within
the
twenty
or
twenty
thirty
comprehensive
plan.
That
would
require
five
acres
as
a
minimum
lot
requirement.
M
Also
because
of
the
proximity
of
the
three
acre
minimum.
That's
slated
for
this
subdivision.
Has
anybody
looked
into
water
table
quality,
well
issues
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
going
to
be
served
properly
by
a
well
or
is
this
being
serviced
by
public
water
district
number?
Two
I!
Don't
think
they
go
that
far
west
and
septic
tank
drainage
issues
are
of
concern
and
about
runoff
into
the
potential
drinking
water
for
safe
water
quality.
Also,
what's
missing
from
the
packet?
M
Those
are
my
concerns
and
I.
Think
you
should
really
address
the
site.
Are
the
density
issues
you
know?
Are
you
gonna
stick
to
the
five
minimum
acre
minimum
that
was
in
the
2030
plane
and
that
divide?
Or
are
we
just
gonna?
Let
this
one
go?
You
know
we
gotta
have
some
type
of
minimum
community
standards.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
F
D
N
Q
Yeah,
it's
gonna
address
some
of
those
concerns.
There's
a
water
line
there
connected
up
to
water
district
number.
Two
that's
already
been
constructed,
sewer
is
on
site,
individual
subject
systems
we've
gone
through
the
state
and
all
that
and
each
each
home
will
will
still
have
to
meet
county
standards.
Bus
turnaround,
the
farthest
west
cul-de-sac
is
the
enlarged
cul-de-sac
to
meet
the
bus
turnaround
standard
requirements,
and
there
is
also
on
the
final
Platts
emitted
and
through
the
construction
plans,
we
did
do
a
reservation
strip
along
Highway
D
through
there
for
future
widening.
E
Q
F
Yeah
the
color
lines
resent
represent
in
the
master
plan.
We
have
something
called
thoroughfare
plan
and
it
shows
you
basically
the
framework
for
future
roadways,
interconnected
roadways,
and
it
does
show
that
at
some
future
date
this
highway
would
be
widened
conceivably.
So
we're
anticipating
a
right-of-way
need
for
a
hundred
feet
under.
J
F
When
we
plot,
when
plots
come
in
along
roadways
with
thoroughfare
thoroughfare
plan
designation,
we
will
requests
often
additional
right-of-way
along
those
corridors
in
order
to
accommodate
future
widening
now,
I
have
to
I
want
to
add
I
know
it's
kind
of
late,
but
this
is
an
interesting
point.
Modot
is
is
telling
us,
though,
that
they
don't
necessarily
want
little
pieces
of
right-of-way
given
to
them
helter-skelter
in
rural
areas.
Necessarily
if
there's
not
concrete
plans
to
widen
that
roadway
within
the
next
few
years,
what
they
mean
by
that
is,
you
know.
F
Unless
there's
concrete
plans
within
the
next
few
years
to
widen
that
roadway
and
they
feel
like
I,
think
it's.
What
they've
said
is
it's
it's
so
speculative
for
one
thing
and
the
other
thing
is
they
have
to
maintain
this
additional
width.
They
don't
necessarily
know
that
they'll
need.
So
that's
an
interesting.
D
J
E
Sense
to
that
they're
there
that
would
be
motive
position,
because
if
they
redid
highway
D
they
may
not
even
use
this
area.
I
mean
you
know
I've.
Sometimes
the
highways
will
shift
you
just
look
at
the
page
enter
enter
to
change.
How
that
shifted
through
the
years
running
on
on
what
was
it?
Something
that,
when
we've.
F
Been
doing
very
consciously
is
when
site
plans
and
plots
come
through
our
office.
We
require
that
buildings
in
US
and
parking
lots
be
set
back
such
that
if
the
road
is
wide,
it's
not
going
to
take
your
parking
lot.
It's
not
going
to
take
their
building
at
the
time
of
that
it's
widened,
so
they
may
require
an
additional
setback
and
that's
how
we
deal
with
the
potential
for
future
road
widening
who's.
E
F
Well,
it's
it's
all
part
of
the
planning
effort
for
the
the
county.
We
have
a.
We
have
transportation
studies
that
the
county
performs,
but
obviously
it
also
involves
the
state
as
well
MoDOT,
for
instance,
and
sometimes
you
work
in
partnership
and
there's
times
when
the
county
sees
the
need
for
road
widening
and
MoDOT.
It's
not
ready,
necessarily
financially
to
put
the
money
forward,
and
so
the
county
has
put
the
money
forward
in
order
to
advance
the
project.
So
a
lot
of
times,
it'll
be
the
county
in
and
mode
and/or
mode.
On.
D
A
A
C
A
Miss
Sally,
yes,
mr.
clerk,
yes
and
I
vote,
yes,
fascist,
six
to
zero;
okay,
we
have
no
continued
items.
Next
in
the
agenda,
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
August
21st
2019
regular
meeting
Cheerilee
and
obtain
a
motion
for
the
approval
of
the
minutes
there.
A
second
second,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
minutes
are
approved.
Other
business
planning
and
zoning
division
update
staff
I,
don't.