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Commission meeting at this time a request that everyone please turn off or mute all cell phones and other electronic devices, and at this time ask you all to please stand with me for the pledge of.

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I allegiance allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, under god, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Applications for conditional use permits and resulting requests will be heard during tonight's meeting and the commission will vote on these applications and make a recommendation to the county council. The applications will then be scheduled to be introduced before the county council at the monday september, 14 2020 county council meeting public comment for conditional use. Permit requests will be taken during tonight's meeting and at the county council meeting on monday september, 14 2020.

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public comment on conditional use. Permit applications will not be taken at any meeting of the county council held thereafter.

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The following documents are introduced as a matter of record for this evening's public hearing and regular meeting of the planning and zoning commission. Those documents are the unified development development ordinance of saint charles county, including zoning maps and the year 2030 master plan for saint charles county, which includes the year 2030 future land use plan map.

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I see we have a quorum to have a motion to open the meeting.

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All in favor sign on.

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For those that have not been here uh before, I will give you a little brief summary of how this works. I will read into the record the application and then we will hear from staff with their report.

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The commission may ask questions of staff at that time. Then we'll ask the applicant to come forward and present their application and answer any questions that the commission may have.

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Then we will open the application up for public hearing. Anyone wishing to speak regarding the application can come forward. Once we have closed the public hearing, then we will not be taking any other public comments.

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Then, at that time, if any issues have been identified or arisen, we may ask the applicant applicant to come back to address concerns that the commission may have.

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Then we will bring this back to the commission for a for a vote. If you're going to speak, um we have these little cards.

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Right there by the podium, uh please fill out this card. uh This way we know we get your name and address correct for our minutes, so right there on the table by the microphone. So if you're going to speak, please fill out a card and leave it over on this table.

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The first item on our agenda this evening is a conditional use request: um 1319 schleucherberg road application, number cup 20-07, the applicant property owner, is boone valley. Golf club incorporated the property. Zoning is a slash ff agricultural district with floodway fringe overlay. District conditional use request is amending cup number 496 to add a new golf training and lodging facility.

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The parcel size is 417.4 acres, the locations on the west side of mall road west to the west of the intersection of mall road and schlitzersburg road located in council district. Two.

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This, as you stated this.

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Is a request to men.

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This is a request to amend a an approved conditional use. Permit uh the zoning for this property, which is more than 400 acres and again, is located in the southwestern uh portion south far southwestern portion of the county.

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This property, which is more than 400 acres, has been used for a golf course for many years, and golf courses are allowed by right in the agricultural district.

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However, membership clubs or private clubs, that is, it, is a conditional use so um many years ago, in the 1980s it's in the exact years in your staff report, the boone valley golf course applied for and received a conditional use permit to operate a club and when you read in the file for that, it's clear that the purpose for applying in the first place was to allow them to provide what the zoning regulations called transient lodging.

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But what that really means is a overnight lodging for members uh and their guests, and so it's not transit lodging in the sense of it's a hotel. But again it's for a uh limited group of people who are members of of the club.

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The conditions for that conditional use permit limited the guest lodging to no more than one facility, it's very specific, and so, when the applicants submitted plans to the county in order to build this second facility, we commented back that it would be necessary to amend their existing conditional use. Permit the location of this facility um it's located within the bounds of the golf course, and I'm sure the applicant can explain in more detail.

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But, as I understand it, it's on the what's what I would call the practice screen and it's intended for people who want to uh participate in that. You know maybe they're learning golf, maybe they're practicing, maybe they're receiving coaching for golf, and so that's the reason that this facility is located where it is it's not located in near any home.

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It's located really within the golf course itself and in fact, there's a fire access road uh from the the uh the main clubhouse down to this facility. That's along a golf cart path and that golf cart path will also double as uh handicapped access. We'll have a we'll have a wheelchair, accessible golf cart and that that will be used to move people back and forth if necessary, to this facility.

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That's the essence of the application county staff recommends that the planning zoning commission recommended approval of amending the conditions for this ordinance, as provided in the written staff report.

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Any questions for staff.

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Hearing none we'll ask the applicant to come forward.

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Please raise your right hand be sure to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in these proceedings from the pains and penalties of perjury. I do please state your name and address for the record brian.

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Mcmurray 1308 wellington valley, court, chesterfield, missouri, okay,.

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Go ahead, brian.

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Okay, um my name is brian mcmurray, said I'm the pga general manager at boone valley, golf club, mr myers, you know put it out there exactly the way. I would love to say it that way as far as all the codes and stuff so we're here with goals of building a 4, 000 square foot, building that offers two indoor outdoor trackman simulators along with four bedrooms up above that can lodge some of our members and their guests.

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um It's like, I said, set back the architectural look of it is identical to our clubhouse very tasteful and we hope there's no issues with it at all.

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Todd meyer still the teaching professional he.

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Is still there yep.

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Any questions for the applicant.

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Thank you, sir. Thank you. We will now open the public hearing for cup 20-07. Anyone wishing to speak regarding this application.

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Seeing no one will close the public hearing.

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Anyone have any questions or comments concerns seeing none. The chair will entertain a motion to approve cup 20-07.

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Motion by mr hollander ii sally. How do you vote.

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Mr yes, uh mr mcdonald, how do you vote yes, okay, mr hollander? Yes, disclaimer.

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And I vote yes motion passes. Thank you, sir.

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Next item on our agenda is a conditional use permit located at 102 high ridge drive, the application is cup 20-09. The applicant contract purchaser is charles, a rotobusch ii property owners, missouri department of transportation. Current zoning is r1e single family residential district, seven thousand square feet. Minimum lot size requested zoning is c2 general commercial district.

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A conditional use request is boat and recreate recreational vehicle storage yard. The parcel size is .37 acres. The location is bordering interstate 64 on the northeast side of high ridge drive in the fieldcrest subdivision, near the cities of lake, st louis old fallon and darden prairie located in council district 2. staff.

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All right, as mentioned this is currently owned by modot. It's located right here. If you can see this vacant ground it, it was purchased by modot in 2003 and used mainly for the improvement of the highway 4061 corridor to interstate status.

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So that's why it's owned by modot and and kind of left behind there previously uh well previous, to modot, making the improvements and turning this into an interstate.

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This property had access via this high ridge drive, which also turns right here, but it had access out onto the highway.

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Now this conditional use permit is subject to also a rezoning which we'll discuss at its hearing a couple more places down the road here, but first of all it would have to be rezoned from r1e to c2.

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After that, then it becomes a conditional use request for outdoor storage of boats, rvs and trailers. So the concept plan that was presented did address the major concerns that staff has are most of the major concerns that staff has.

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The residences are located on the south side of of the property. There is a 40-foot wide road easement back here to century tell and the applicant has agreed to put up a fence and landscaping to help block the view of of the property from the residential lots.

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When we were talking about development on this property, the major drawback is that you do have to access the property through the residential subdivision, since the connection to 4061 has disappeared with the major improvement.

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So the other consideration is whether or not an outdoor storage facility adds to uh the scenic value along the interstate- and I I I know when you say scenic you're- not looking at the mountains or anything like that, but is this something that we do want to be located along that corridor?

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um Staff is recommending denial mainly because of the access through the residential subdivision, but we do ask that if, in the event that you do recommend approval that certain conditions be added, we have the five conditions listed there. I can read them a site plan substantially complying to the attached concept plan number two, no conditional use be put in active use until all conditions of approval have been met.

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We would ask that the limitation of hours of operation be to daylight hours with access to the property by employees. Only any outdoor lighting shall use full cut off light fixtures, and we do request that the fencing. That's installed include the 90.

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Blockage that we can ask- and this would uh help to keep the view from the interstate and also the residences in the subdivision- we did receive one letter of opposition.

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Any questions for staff.

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Is there a fence around it now.

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There is nothing around the property right now. It's just vacant grassland.

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uh There yeah there is a storage lots further to the northwest there. The zoning on these properties are c2, and that is a consideration, but those were put in place prior to having access cut off from 40 61.

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Now, how do they access that property.

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I believe they all access um and the applicant can give you more information on this, but they also own a storage yard down here. I believe they they own this one I'll. Let the applicant answer that, but or this one right here, yep this one right here they do own this one and they do all have to come through the fieldcrest subdivision. Right now,.

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Thank you here are the questions for staff.

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Hearing none we'll ask the applicant to come.

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Please raise your right hand, you solemnly swear to affirm that you'll tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in these proceedings under the pains and penalties of perjury. I do please state your name and address for the record.

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My name is charles average bush ii. My address is 20 harbor point court like st louis missouri, 63367, okay,.

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I'm the owner of c j, botox um ellie. If you could put the picture back up the google earth picture that shows the highway. um I bought the property.

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20 years ago, right next to the property that I'm looking at purchasing from modot, so I have a long it's about two pull there. We go 2.1 acres that I own, I purchased the property within one year I knew mo dot was going to close my access, and I have to come to the subdivision and st charles county- knew that, because that was in within the big, the major plan of what was going to work with the page interchange.

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So knowing that I knew and my customers knew they're going to have to come through behind walmart and lowe's and come to the fieldcrest subdivision and come into the front gate of my property.

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Since then, I think saint charles county and all the areas around me have now kind of a necessary evil. You cannot park anything in your garage or drive more than two days. You have to get a police, a police report about it, so I've been trying to buy more property for the last couple years and it's been hard to find anywhere. That'll prove it because it's either residential or they want to hold off for heavy industrial.

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So I've got my piece of property that c2 the next door neighbor to me, which is tc ford, he's now retired. That's the parcel between mine and the piece I'm looking at buying and developing that's the one red 856., he's retired and I'm in talks with him right now he's moving most of his items off to lake of the ozarks and where I'm looking at buying his property.

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So then I would extend mine through his saint charles county has said that they would close off the road vacate, the road so that I can fence and that would all be mine and all come through my main entrance most of my storage customers or come in once or twice a year. They get the boat in the beginning of the season, put it in the water and use it store the trailer there for the season and come get the winter time.

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So there's not a whole lot of boat traffic and my the main business I do is construction work on the water. We build docks, lifts sea walls marinas, so I have to go physically meet the customer, see what they want to do. We'd load the work there and and take it to to work on the project, the different lakes we work on, so we don't have a whole lot of access coming in there all day, long.

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And there is a fence already along the highway, so I would just need to add on to the three sides and then the road to be vacated, and I would actually once tc4 is finished, moving his product or his last parts out of there, I'm looking at buying that from him, and then it would continue my property all the way through to this.

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Let me show you where that is or.

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Hope, sir, take the microphone with you.

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I can tell pretty loud.

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Make sure it's on tap it and see.

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I'm not a dj, so how do you turn it.

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If you can hear me.

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The far end of it is my entrance. You come to the subdivision. This is my building where I work out of come up field press and come to my date, I'm down my whole property store. This is a tc ford's property that he's looking at for his retirement. I want to sell.

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So my main end goal is purchase this now work on gravel and fencing it in this is the road that.

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This is the road that saint charles county would vacate. This is tc ford's property, so after I buy this, this is already his own c2 commercial and he's got. Trailers and construction workers have factored on it. If they take this- and I connect this, all the road will be vacated and will all be one property.

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But anyone entering your property at the far end still has to come through the subdivision.

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That's how it's been for the last 18 19 years, I've owned the property about 20 years within one year buying it I knew I was going to lose the highway access. That's why I got the property of pretty good value, and after within one year, my access was now here. Modoc came in and cut the entrance, and then I had them. Everybody had to just come to the substitute and that's how, after this highway, work was partially finished.

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With a page, interchange modot took the midwest marine line, which is the second one I bought three to five years ago. At the far end of this subdivision,.

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And model returned that to midwest marine and they continued their business there for three or five years, they've got a business, so all those customers also- and they have for 40 years, gone through the subdivision to get to midwest marine, because they've never had access off.

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And that's the slide right here go through the subdivision. You can take a right on field press to go to my main line and then you go to the subdivision to get to my second line. This is commercial. This is commercial. There's three commercial lots in here. There's a concrete company here! There's a landscape company. Here I store boats here around my constructionists out of here. That's where that's here!

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This is the piece of motherboard I'm looking at behind. This is tc ford's, that's retired! I'm looking at purchasing these movements.

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This would just be a continuation of my property through here. I probably would only gain maybe 20 or 30 votes, and again most of these would probably just be wintertime. Customers of the store, I'd like to buy a century tells a lot if this ever comes for sale too, and then.

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Down here you've, I got it's. A gas station connected to walmart. You've got a this is a vets.

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Hospitals across the street, you used to have a storage lot. That was the old. It was the bmw hall. I think that was right there, the back part of that was taken away, used.

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Questions for the applicant, if you wish to speak, sir, you have to come up and I have to swear you in.

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His father yeah.

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Come up here raise your heart right. There raise your right hand. Okay, you saw me swear or affirmative will tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and these proceedings from the pains and penalties of perjury. Yes, sir, please state your name and address for the record.

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Charles rudy bush senior, I'm at 2041 hawks landing drive like st louis okay go ahead. Charles all, I wanted to add, was there's a lot of concern about all this extra traffic going through the subdivision.

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We we store, like 103 boats on the part. That's up there right now. 80 percent of the people come in pick up their boat in the spring. Put it in the lake, put the trailer back and next fall. They come back and pick it up.

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Another 10 people come in and take pick their boat up, go down lake of the ozarks on the holiday weekends, and that's it. We've got less than five percent of the people that use the lot daily.

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We probably my son and his workers probably used a lot as much as anybody else. So uh there was a question one of the things that came up. This is a picture I took.

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This is looking from the access road back to 64., it's all bushes and trees along highway right now- and this is what the site-proof fence will look like on the side towards the homeowners, the other, the other issue. With the property planning zoning said they want to leave it residential you've only got 80.

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So, by the time you get a set at.

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Little bit of sound.

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Thank you, sir.

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We anyone have any more questions for the app.

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Hearing none will now open uh the public hearing for uh cup 20-09, so you're. Anyone here wishing to speak regarding this application.

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Anyone wishing to speak regarding cup 20-09 see no one will close. The public hearing bring this back to the commission. Anyone have any additional questions for the applicant robert. I do have a question: what's the process for the county to abandon that little stretch of roadway.

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It would take county council action, but the rotor bushes have been speaking with the highway department and because it doesn't really serve it's a it's a county road that doesn't serve any um parcels other than these parcels. They would have an interest in vacating that right of way that county highway department would so. I think they would recommend for approval.

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Anyone else have any questions for the staff.

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um This going to look like from the highway looking over, what kind of fencing is going to be around it uh how's it going look, you want to happen. Let's come back.

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If you want to come back, please.

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Currently, currently, there's a- I guess- saint charles county or modot- has the fence up there's already a six foot fence on the highway side, so I would merely connect to it and my current property- that's 2.1 acres. Long right now has a six foot fence that I've never been asked by saint charles county planet. Zoning.

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When I put its development in 20 years ago, I only had to put sight proof fencing on the residential side, most of my customers like where the like, where they're at, because they can drive by the highway on their way to work and see if a storm blew their cover off or if it's sagging with rain end or something so. I've never been asked before from saint charles county. To put the whole thing.

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Obviously I would just connect to the already existing mo dot or saint charles whoever's got that fence there and put my other three sides up.

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Will this be an electronic gate gated well.

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um For now, if, if tc4 does not come through and sells property like we're already in negotiations for, then I would have to put up a open gate with just a chain or two gates that would swing open.

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It wouldn't be electronic gate. It would mainly be for my work, my employees and myself to come. Put the boats in probably once over the winter. Take them out in the spring, put them back in and they would be empty the rest of the time, but in the future I'm trying to buy the parcel next to it and continue my property all the way down. So everybody would come through my main entrance that does have a code to get in.

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Yeah the questions were the applicant.

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No, I do have a comment, though I you know most time you look at this and say well what else could it be used for? I don't see any other use for this .37 acres other than the continuation of what you're already doing there. Thank you.

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My observation.

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Good. Thank you, sir.

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Any other questions comments, questions for.

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I mean, if that happens, yeah.

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Yes, what you would do is recom you could your options are to approve it without any conditions or prove it. Excuse me, as proposed approval with conditions or recommend. I'm sorry recommend approval, recommend, approve with conditions or recommend denial, and then the county council would make the decision.

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Okay, so the chair will entertain a motion to approve cup 20-09.

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Okay, mr hall, is your motion to include the conditions recommended by staff? Yes, okay! Is there a second second miss a second, uh mr cleary. How do you vote? No, mr? No, mr mcdonald, mr hollander, yes, uh miss.

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Yes, with conditions.

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Yes, with conditions.

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And I vote yes, so it passes four to three.

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You, the next item on our agenda, is a rezoning request. The location is 3807 towers, road application, number rz, 20-10, the applicant in saint charles county ambulance, district property owners are terry and janet. Hackman current zoning is r1a single family residential district, one acre minimum lot size requested. Zoning is rezoning, approximately 0.96 acres of a 1.82 acre tract of r1e single family residential district 7, 000 square foot, minimum lot size.

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The 2030 master plan recommends low distance, low density residential uses 0.25 to 1 acre minimum lot sizes partial size is approximately 0.86 acres. The location is on the southwest corner of towers, road and cox. Hill road located in council district, seven staff.

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As mentioned the the subject, property is on the southwest squadron of towers, road and cocksell road and for those who may be listening not familiar with the location. Generally, it's south of highway, 94 and north of the missouri river.

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The area has been long developed for with residential subdivisions, and most of the zoning is currently in the area is currently r1e single family residential district, with a minimum lot size of 7 000 square feet on the southwest quadrant of the intersection.

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For whatever reason there are parcels which have never been platted before, and one of those parcels happens to have split zoning split zoning, meaning that the northern half is zoned r1e, again 7, 000 square foot, minimum lot size and the southern half of that parcel is owned, r1a, which is minimum one acre lot size.

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I would add that this area already has sanitary sewers, storm, sewers and other infrastructure in place, so that that would allow for uh redevelopment, and so the applicants are before us tonight to rezone the the green what's shown as green in that uh the map, that's the southern half of the parcel, that's on the southwest corner and their their goal, and they can tell you about this in more detail. But their goal is to split this one parcel into two into.

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Ultimately, I understand build a house on the southern half um and this rezoning would allow that to take place. So that's that's the gist of the application.

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The master plan recommends for what's called low density, residential, which is one to four dwelling units per acre, so the proposed r1e zoning is generally in conformance with that, and it's certainly conformance with a prevailing pattern of zoning in the area, which is again, our whitney silver county staff would recommend approval any.

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Questions for staff.

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Hearing none we'll ask the applicant to come forward.

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Please raise your right hand, do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and these proceedings are the pains and penalties of perjury. I.

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Please state your name and address for the record.

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Alison gouche civil engineering design, consultants, 10 sunset office, drive sunset, hills, missouri, okay,.

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Good evening, um I'm here on behalf of the saint charles county ambulance district, I also have craig mcfessel with the district here for any questions that might come up with operations.

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So we will be back next month to present to you all a preliminary plot for the rezoning or for the split of this lot and that's really what's driving this rezoning request. So this is still kind of conceptual, but what we're showing on here is on the north part of the lot. We would have a new base 22 for scad.

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The southern half has no plans right now. The owners actually also own and live on a lot to the south of this. We show a house on here as kind of a idea of what could happen to my knowledge. There are no plans to do anything with it right now, so the existing lot is 1.2 acres right now and with the rezoning or with the split we'll have 0.93 acres on the north part, which is generally already zoned r1e, the south part would be 0.89 acres and that is generally zoned r1a.

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Now the zoning line and the subdivision proposed line are roughly in the same place. They don't exactly correspond, but so the the really the purpose of this is because we're creating a lot that would be under one acre that doesn't meet that current zoning on the southern part of the lot.

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So I think robert you know showed this already, but just to reiterate, looking at the surrounding, it is primarily r1e all around here. There's a small island of r1a and we're asking just to make this whole lot r, one e. So it's consistent, so we can do this subdivision, which we'll present to you next meeting um the thing driving. It is purely lot size. We can't go under an acre in r1e. The uses are exactly the same.

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If you read the zoning definitions, the uses are defined together, so there is no difference in what can be on those lots. As far as the zoning uses, there are some small changes to the setbacks. The setbacks get slightly smaller for r1e, but it's really this lot size, that's driving it scad doesn't want to purchase a bigger lot than what they need.

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They want to be responsible with taxpayer money, so you know that 0.9 acres is really what they need and splitting this lot in half preserves the rest for another use and allows them to build what they need.

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Questions for the applicant.

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Now, with the with the base station, what would be.

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Would be probably the operation of the space station station.

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I'd like to let craig speak to the operations come up.

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You swear to affirm that you'll tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth and the these proceedings under the pains and penalties of perjury. I.

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Go ahead, sir. Please state your name and address for the record.

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Craig mcfessel 9746 travers lane st louis missouri go ahead so uh specific questions on operation. It will be an ems station uh operated 24 hours a day, average call volume out of that station. I would guess, would be about eight calls per day.

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Where is the say closest base station to this one.

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That would be on sycamore drive off of old highway 94.

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Okay, so this this will reduce your response time.

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Absolutely yeah this: this is an area that is served by that base on sycamore, but this would give us much better response time to the area of the cox.

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Of course, next month would be when you said the cycle, but I'm trying to visualize, where you're going to have the actions to do.

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This that I believe pnz is has reviewed. That staff has would have uh the entrance would be on two towers, and then we would also uh I'm sorry. The exit from the property would be onto towers. Entrance to the property will be out of coxsville.

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How many people will be at this facility at any one time.

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This, our initial plans would be just a one truck base, so one truck is a two-two-person group.

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The other question is the applicant.

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Okay, so you know, thank you, sir. Thank.

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We will now open the public hearing for rz 20-10.

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Anyone wishing to speak regarding this application.

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Good evening, please raise your hand. My name is christine zika hold on I'm sorry.

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Do you solemnly swear permit, you will tell the truth. The whole truth are nothing but the truth and these proceedings are the pains and penalties of perjury.

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Please state your name and address for the record.

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Christine zika 701 cox, hill, road, saint, charles missouri, 63304, okay,.

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So, first of all on on august the 7th I sent a protest letter and as of today, I also sent videos of what that intersection actually looks like, and that was not mentioned by staff. So I'd like to make sure that that's in the record, so my husband and I have lived at 701 cox, hill road now for seven years over the past seven years we have enjoyed the entertainment of actually watching people run through that stop sign and that four-way stop on a regular basis.

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The four videos that we sent to you today were actually taken yesterday, it's less than 15 minutes of car after car after car running through that stoplight with pedestrians and with bicyclists. So at first, when we heard that you were planning on looking at re-zoning this to a house or to having multiple houses on there. Our concern is the safety of that neighborhood.

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Right now, we've had one accident this year, but we've had many near misses in the last storm that we had. We I saw a truck turn left onto cox, hill from towers gun it and in the rain, because he hydroplaned went all the way into a 180 faced towards green's bottom and then thought it would be fun to do it again turned around in the intersection and gunned it again. These are the types of people that we have going through our intersection at any given time when it was just adding more houses to that intersection.

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Our request was: please table this until you've come out to our house on any given day and watch that intersection and tell me if you think, it's safe, to add more houses on that block. But now today, what was not in that application is that I am hearing that we're planning on putting an ems station there with at least eight people there at any given time and now we're going to increase the load of that intersection with emergency calls, in addition to the people that are running that intersection.

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This is a dangerous mix, and I request that the council table this until they can actually look at this intersection for themselves and understand what it is that they're trying to do and what danger they're going to give to the neighbors that are already there. The subdivision on our north side, which please forgive me I I know where they are.

J

I just don't know their name they're when they're trying to cross that intersection when the bicyclists are coming up from from the katy trail, trying to cross that intersection and when the people are turning without stopping left from towers onto cox hill. This is a recipe that I don't want to see in my.

A

Neighborhood, we do have your videos uh robert. We do have the videos.

C

Yes, we do have uh an email that we received today and also I noticed that it was sent to all the commissioners. So if, if you don't have it currently, it's in your inbox.

L

I receive mine, okay,.

A

So they're part of the record.

J

Thank you and my husband actually had more that we could not send to because of the size of them. They were for longer periods of time, but it shows more of the same pedestrians in the walkway that are with cars that are rolling through stops. People running those stop signs without any regard whatsoever to the.

H

J

No, it was a stop sign, so it's a four-way, stop sign. It's not a stoplight.

J

A

Have any other.

J

A

J

A

Anyone else wishing to speak regarding rz.

A

A

Do you solemnly swear affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth in these proceedings under the pains and penalties of perjury? Yes, uh please state your name and address for the record.

O

David zika, 701 cox, hill, uh road, st charles missouri, go.

A

O

uh So in in the videos, what if you'll, if you watch it the pattern, they're already doing, is like a traffic circle, you know they just kind of slow and go through and everybody just it's sort of like a ballet going on. You know, nobody's really stopping they're all kind of just kind of flowing through that intersection.

O

So uh again, as the original thing, if you're you know, we were thinking all right, you're going to add more residential. We thought because that's why it read not a an ems station, nothing against that, but that sounds like even more traffic coming and going calls, and I guess, you're running sirens pulling out of there.

A

He's coming out talk to him.

O

And noise coming out you know from there uh is, is concerning me how how that is being zoned residential for a station. That isn't a resonance to me. So that's another! I don't believe that's clear, uh the way it's being presented, uh but so, as a what we'd like to have, you know the uh look at, as is just turn it in to a traffic circle around about to reduce you know the running of stop signs, but have it in a controlled.

O

You know manner if you're going to add load to that on top of it that that, isn't being you know controlled than to put in a traffic circle that would be safer and- and you know, control that intersection a little better.

A

Okay, thank you, sir. Anyone else wishing to speak regarding rz 20-10.

A

Oh you're, the applicant you'll get to come back: okay, okay. uh Anyone else wishing to speak regarding rz 20-10.

A

Seeing no one, we will close the public hearing on rse 20-10, we'll ask the applicant to come.

M

Back, thank you um just wanted to reiterate a couple quick things. The um the scad base station is allowed being a public building under either zoning. The existing zoning for both halves of the lot now r1a r1e both allow the public building in that zoning, so we're not asking for any change in use. The second thing I just wanted to mention is that the county has asked us to look at site distance on cox, hill road and that will be included in our um uh subdivision submittal. So we are looking at that site. Distance.

D

M

Just to make sure that from the south you can see the entrance.

A

Well, will you and I forgot, uh uh will you exit on the uh exit, the property on cox hill or enter on.

H

N

This would be entrance to the property, and this would be.

M

N

From the garage base on.

M

Two caucasus cox hill.

J

M

So the ambulances are exiting onto cox, hill, and we have. We are looking at sight, distance on that exit. um It was the one place the county said. You know that looks like we just want to make sure that it's visible and it looks like it's going to be, but we'll present that next month.

B

And will there be sirens going.

N

Off hey state station mandates when sirens need you, so I I it's tough for me to say it depends on what type of call it is.

B

Are there any mandates on the speech.

A

B

I'm sorry, sorry, I'm sorry. Are there any uh limitations of the speed that they can? uh The vehicles can go through there.

N

There is again that's dictated by state statute. Unfortunately, I'm not a paramedic, so I honestly don't have an answer to that, but I do know that there are. There are limits as to how much faster they can go than posted speed limit. Okay, thank you. How many.

H

um Exits and entrances did you say that we're in a day you say eight.

N

On an average I would guess would run eight calls a day from that location. So you.

H

Got that and then you got a house.

N

On the other lot, so the house was just shown for.

H

But I'm just talking about the amount of traffic that this whole thing is going to generate. It doesn't seem to be very much correct. um You know, eight I mean you, could a residence could generate eight ins and outs in a day, so that was my question. Thank you.

B

And will it be 24 7., I assume it'll be 24 7.

L

Can I ask you, mentioned at the beginning of your presentation, that one of the reasons that you're doing this is because they're it's a 0.96 for the and anything under one acre has to be done. This way.

M

Anything under one acre would no longer meet the r1a zoning, which is on the southern half of the lot. So when we take about .9 acres for scad for the north part, that leaves less than one acre on the south part that the owners are retaining, and so we wouldn't be allowed to do that subdivision with the current zoning, because it would create a lot. That is slightly too small.

A

At this base station, would you be running uh two shifts or three shifts a day just.

N

One shift one shift: yes, and currently they operate on a 48 hour shift. Okay, so one crew, two people would be there for 48 hours of time.

A

Any other questions for the applicant.

F

Is is there going to be any kind of looking at where it is on the intersection? Is there going to be any kind of lighting that let like when you come out um in case there? Are people zipping back and through store through there that you're about to pull out, and you know, there's there's been a call or some type of visual notification to. Let people know that that's happening.

N

At any of our current stations, we do not have that. What we do is uh signage just to notify that it's emergency exit or entrance, but we.

J

N

Done any type of uh specific lighting, you're, probably referring to what fire stations.

F

Do something like that, a visual, so people know you know.

N

We we have not done that in the past and I guess that would be up to staff recommendations if it's necessary.

B

Have you, in terms of cox hill, there slopes very steeply toward green's bottom? Yes, uh what kind of uh sight distance are they going to have coming out of that? uh As a let's say, making a left turn onto coxville.

M

That's exactly what we are studying and we'll submit that um we'll submit that for next month's meeting with the subdivision plan, because that affects the driveway location affects where the subdivision line ultimately ends up. We are looking at that. So far to me, it looks like it's going to be fine, but I haven't finished that study.

A

Any other questions for the applicant.

A

Very nut. Thank you.

H

A

We'll now bring rz 20-10 back to the commission for consideration. I.

B

Do have a question from the staff?

B

Could this same thing be a accomplished by just uh applying for a variance in lot size.

C

Well, deploy for variants, there's certain criteria to obtain a zoning, variance and they're very specific.

C

uh I don't see this as qualifying and for the criteria for variants, because it's it would be self-created, for instance, and it would allow a it would allow something that uh well. Let me let me just state that I wouldn't meet the criteria. I don't think for a variance, but yes, they could apply for a variance.

B

So is it? Is it conceivable because the variance would then just keep that southern lot one lot, one property? Is it conceivable that they could uh subdivide that with it being seven thousand square feet into three to five bots and have driveways coming in on to uh cox, hill.

C

Driveways, no, um if a property were zone, r1e single-family residential, it could be re-subdivided potentially, but it would need to have an internal street to provide access from an internal street rather than from coxiel road.

B

And would there be some sort of sight line uh parameters on if it were a street going in because of the proximity of the driveway of the ambulance.

C

There would yeah we would the county's highway department and development review divisions would review the site distance, ensure that it be safe for that that speed and what they, basically, what they do, is they they take an elevation of the height of a driver in the driver's seat, and then they look up and down the roadway for specified distance based on the speed speed limit and how fast people are traveling in stopping distance.

C

They base it on that. Okay, thank.

F

You are there any plans in the future for any type of improvement in that intersection, whether it be traffic circle or speed, lights or anything like that, is there any type of that we know of.

C

The master plan, the third fair plan is part of the master plan, doesn't show major improvements to this roadway.

C

I I'm very much open to passing along these comments that we've received tonight to the highway department so that they can take this into consideration and also um yeah, so that uh that they could discuss these.

A

Maybe we should pass them along to the county police department.

L

Yeah yeah, I would suggest.

A

D

L

Is to to to pass it on to the county police department and the second one is for the folks that live in this area. um You know there, there is a process, it's not very difficult to uh ask. The county council to uh you know require either, like you say, a roundabout or signals or whatever you have. Are you saying you've already done that? Okay.

J

Christine zika again, when I first moved into that neighborhood I had spoken to john white and had suggested that we need to look at that intersection as late as last summer. I had spoken to craig frohm about it when he was on the planning and zoning, because there is a concern about that intersection. So it has. I have brought this concern up before um and apparently nobody takes me up on my offer to sit on my front porch and watch.

L

But you know what yeah again, what I'm? What I'm saying, though there is a process where you could get you know signatures and bring it to the council. Highway department would then be required to take a close look at it and then present it to the council. Well,.

J

Then, what we're going to ask you is that you table this, because we no resident is aware that there's actually a ems station going in there. We were under the assumption that this was a house. We were under the assumption that there was as many as four houses with residents going into that um into that corner and that's what we would request. Thank.

A

You other questions for staff.

H

Comments, questions.

A

H

I think it's uh apparent that there is a traffic issue at that intersection. I just don't see how this really makes it a whole lot. Worse,.

A

Journal entertain a motion to approve application. Rz 20-10 is there a motion motion? Mr hollander makes the motion.

D

A

Second, mr makes a second miss bamer. How do you vote.

F

A

F

A

Mr cleary, yes, uh mr yes, mr mcdonald, yes, uh mr hollander.

L

A

And I vote yes, application.

A

A

Next item on our agenda is rezoning request located at 102, high ridge drive application number rz 20-11 the app contract purchaser is charles, a rhode bush ii, property owners, missouri department of transportation. A current zoning is r1e single family, residential district, 7, 000 square foot, minimum lot size requested zoning is c2, general commercial district parcel size is .37. Acres location is bordering interstate 64 on the northeast side of high ridge drive in the fieldcrest subdivision, near the cities of lake, st louis o'fallon and darden prairie located in council district 2. staff.

G

Okay, you're familiar with this property from the earlier hearing, but I I will add a few more.

G

Facts on this, um this subdivision was platted in 1957 before zoning went into effect in 1959. That's when it was zoned residential and as previously mentioned, access was from forty sixty one um modot is selling this property.

G

I believe on a contract purchase situation pending the rezoning of this to c2 the c2 zoning is necessary for the conditional use permit that we spoke about earlier.

G

The only thing that other thing that I would like to add when you're re-zoning a property in a residential neighborhood via this access that we discussed earlier through the residential subdivision, every permissive use in c2 zoning is then allowed to go in here, not not just a conditional use for a boat, rv and trailer storage. So that is one other thing to keep into consideration.

G

um Oh well, we did discuss- or you discussed too, that, yes, it's also not an ideal situation for a residence.

G

We do have to put it back. If modot is selling this property, we do have to put it back to its original zoning prior to them, taking possession of it. That's why you don't see any zoning when we do put that on is because of the jurisdictional factor of of the state being over the the county in terms of jurisdiction. So that's why there is no zoning on that, so we did put it back to the residential zoning in order to rezone this to c2.

G

uh The the land use plan does not call for this to be uh commercial, so, based on that, and the idea that every permissive use can go into c2 staff is recommending denial of this application.

G

Oh, we did have one letter of opposition.

A

Any questions for staff so essentially any retail.

G

Correct subject to their site plan.

B

Gotcha, okay, thank you.

A

Now that that'd be the same, though, for that entire strip of c2. That's that's currently c2 correct.

A

Any other questions for staff, if not we'll, have the applicants come forward.

A

I have to swear you in again, since it's a different application, do you solemnly swear or affirm that you will tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and these proceedings are the pains and penalties of perjury? I do please state your name and address for the record.

I

Charles a rita bush ii, 20 harbor point court lake, st louis missouri.

A

I

Three: three: six, seven.

A

Anyone have any questions for the app.

B

Yeah, so if with the conditional use that has been passed, you can use it that way. What would be the reason to go? The c2 zoning.

I

um Because I'd like to continue my boat storage down when I bought the property adjacent to this, it was already zoned c2. I actually didn't even know. This was not all commercial along here, because modot owned a lot. I guess they had it when they did the page, interchange, extension, work and century tel, which is right next to it.

I

I would assume that was commercial, but I guess century tell doesn't have to they've got a commercial lot and it's they've got commercial trucks that go another day, so I just assumed that was commercial until we came to double check that what it was owned and then we found out, we had to go through the process to get it. The zoning changed.

I

So that's why I'm here to ask to change it to c2, so I can continue the storage that I already do. That's allotted next to it. Okay did.

B

I

Your question sorry yeah.

B

A

Any other questions for the applicant.

A

Very good, thank you, sir. Thank you.

A

We will now open the public hearing for rz 20-11. Anyone here wishing to speak regarding this application.

A

See no one, we will close. The public hearing bring this back to the commission for our consideration.

B

Well, I think, since personally I think, since since it's already rezoned for that conditional use he needs and that the c2 could open up any and all other uses, I would personally recommend not passing it, but it's obviously going to be up to the board.

A

The conditional use per bit that we approved it can stay exist, the existing zone, it's subject.

G

L

It's subject to it.

C

A

My question was: if we denied this rezoning, they could still continue the cup.

C

Yes, yeah, both both applications will move forward the county council uh at this stage. It's a recommendation for both of them.

L

You know I I'd like to point out that you know it seems to me like it's just purely a technicality. Modot is turning this back over so that it ha it has to be residential simply because they're returning it to what it had been prior to this, but I think it's pretty obvious. There's no way this could possibly be residential at this point in time.

L

So I don't know what else there could be, except for you know the c2.

F

What could it be if it wasn't c2 I mean what, if it's, what else could you envision or what.

J

F

Be put there, there's no access, no matter what you put there. They're gonna have to go through the subdivision, no matter.

B

What it is well I mean if, if you said, uh the residential it still could be, although I admit it would be relatively uh minor, I I mean there would be certainly with it being by the interstate. There would be a low back from that. I'm just concerned about the amount of traffic going through that residential area. That's a high density residential there's, a lot of driveways there and uh coming out of there. You're gonna have a couple of sharp turns with the the vehicles with hauling things.

B

I'm just concerned about the safety aspect of it. To be honest,.

B

I don't have any. I don't disagree with you. I think that in terms of the the use it it is a tricky situation, but I I do think there's a safety concern that uh needs to be considered too.

A

Any other uh questions concerns comments. Not cheering will entertain a motion to approve rz 20-11, which is the rezoning a.

L

A

Answer approve second,.

F

A

Sec miss sally. How do you vote.

D

A

Mr clary, no, mr no, mr.

D

A

Mr hollander, yes, ms baber.

F

A

I vote yes and that application uh fails four to three.

A

Okay, that's. uh That concludes our agenda for the record uh application cup 20-06, which was located at 3151 hotel, hopewell road, uh was withdrawn august 4th by the request of the applicant application week continued from last month chill entertaining a motion to approve the july 15 2020 regular meeting minutes. Is there a motion motion? Second.

H

A

In favor sign mincer, approved uh planning, zoning division updates.

C

I sent an email uh to the planning zone commission members two hours ago, that contains a link to propose updated stormwater standards that the county is looking for public comments and in for for years, the county has had standards for the volume of water and the rate of water for to protect downstream properties from flooding and property damage, in conformance with the federal clean water act and the missouri department of natural resources requirements.

C

The county is now looking at adding storm water quality standards to the county's standards, and so we've met with developers that well development. Community engineers, the home builder association, have solicited comments, and so now we're seeking public comments as well, and we're believed that these proposed changes may move forward.

C

This fall sometimes what we're thinking about, but I know that there's a lot of comments at planning zoning commission meetings having to do with stormwater, so you're welcome to review those provide any comments that you'd like to make.

A

One of my favorite things.

A

He won't have anything else for the commission saying none true orientated motion to adjourn. Second, all in favor saying aye we're.

A