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St. Charles County Planning & Zoning Meeting - November 16, 2022
A
Applications
for
rezoning
requests
will
be
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
and
the
commission
will
vote
on
these
applications
and
make
a
recommendation
to
the
County
Council.
The
applications
will
then
be
scheduled
to
be
introduced
before
the
County
council
at
the
Monday
December
5th
2022
County
council
meeting.
A
A
How
our
meeting
works
we'll
take
these
readers
off
I
will
read
into
the
record
the
application.
The
staff
will
then
give
us
a
report
regarding
the
application
and
their
recommendation.
Members
of
the
commission
may
or
may
not
have
questions
for
the
staff.
At
that
time,
then
we'll
ask
the
applicant
to
come
forward
to
present
the
application
and
answer
any
questions
that
members
of
the
commission
may
have.
Then
we
will
open
a
public
hearing
in
regards
to
that
application.
A
Anyone
wishing
to
speak
regarding
the
application
can
come
come
forward
if
you're
going
to
speak
if
you're
an
advocate
applicant
or
if
you're
speaking
in
the
public
hearing,
please
fill
out
one
of
our
little
white
cards
all
right,
one
of
these
over
at
the
end
of
the
table.
This
way
we
ensure
that
we
get
your
name
correct
in
our
minute.
So
if
you,
if
you
speak
and
fill
out
one
of
these
White
cards,
this
is
a
meeting
of
Records.
A
Once
we
have
closed
the
public
hearing,
then
the
public
hearings
close
we'll
take
no
further
comments,
unless
requested
by
a
member
of
the
commission,
we'll
ask
the
applicant
to
come
back
and
address.
Any
issues
that
may
have
came
out
arose
during
the
public
hearing
portion
and
then
the
commission
will
take
the
matter
under
advisement
and
we
will
have
a
vote.
So
that's
pretty
much
the
process
that
we
follow
in
these
meetings.
A
A
The
current
zoning
is
r1e
single-family
residential
district
requested
zoning
is
C2,
General
commercial
District,
the
2030
master
plan
recommends
commercial
uses.
The
area
is
0.27
Acres.
It's
located
on
the
west
side
of
Clearview
Drive,
approximately
500
feet,
south
of
veterans
from
Memorial
Parkway
adjoining
the
city
of
Saint
Charles
and
is
located
in
Council
District
5.
A
B
All
right,
both
of
these
are
kind
of
similar.
This
one
is
very
unique,
though
I
went
by
this
place
and
this
first
time
I've
come
to
a
residential
neighborhood.
The
first
thing
I
came
to
was
a
fork
truck
driving
down
the
street,
so
we
kind
of
have
some
commercial
uses
there
going
on
already
I
believe
the
applicants
in.
B
Thank
you.
So
it's
fairly
small
lot.
It's
a
quarter
acre
lot.
The
applicant
has
several
commercial
properties
in
the
area
in
the
vicinity
with
at
least
one,
if
not
more,
businesses
run
out
of
those
buildings
and
it's
running
out
of
storage
and
needs
some
more
storage.
It's
an
area
where
the
city
of
St,
Charles
and
US
kind
of
hodgepodge
all
over
the
place
where
some
things
are
in
the
city
and
some
things
are
out
in
the
county.
B
The
two
other
houses
in
the
middle
of
that
block
on
the
same
side
as
the
subject
property
in
the
middle
of
the
block.
Those
two
were
in
Saint
Charles,
proper
in
the
city
and
the
one
right
behind
the
car
dealer
at
the,
whether
that
be
the
North
End
of
the
Street
is
in
our
jurisdiction
and
I
believe
is
a
rental
property.
B
So
there's
a
mix
of
uses
there
already
there's
a
pretty
adequate
drainage
at
the
end
of
that
street.
It
goes
downhill
and
there's
a
pretty
big
drainage
basin
there
that
was
built
prior
and
it
may
or
may
not
be
adequate
to
take
up
whatever
is
needed
for
the.
If
my
understanding
is
what's
right
here
that
the
house
that's
on,
that
lot
will
be
demolished
and
there'll
be
some
sort
of
commercial
building
built
there
for
storage
for
the
applicants.
A
B
To
use
in
one
of
his
businesses,
so
the
future
land
use
plan
definitely
shows
that
whole
area
in
C2,
and
certainly
at
some
point
when
the
Bob's
property
gets
sold
to
somebody
who's
got
financing
to
get
when
we're
done
done.
They
need
to
get
done
that
whole
area
will
probably
go
that
way
at
that
time,
it's
very
close
to
the
highway
70
corridor.
B
The
other
houses
around
the
corner
that
are
behind
the
building
currently
runs
this
business
out
of
are
also
in
our
jurisdiction
and
they
back
up
to
commercial
land.
That's
right
on
the
access
road
that
has
used
car
lots
on
them.
So
one
day
those
will
probably
get
absorbed.
If
and
when
somebody
moves
in
there
with
a
car
dealership,
which
is
been
proposed,
at
least
once
in
the
past.
B
A
A
A
D
We're
we're
stating
to
build
a
building
there
to
store
parts
for
our
elevator
company
and
the
lawn
irrigation
company
that
we
own.
D
A
A
C
Part
Lonnie
Haney,
your
address,
I
own,
the
property
at
125,
Clearview,
okay,
go.
C
And
as
far
as
that
commercial
thing,
they've
been
trying
to
get
that
commercial
for
maybe
35
years
now,
so
it's
not
going
to
be
right
away.
They've
been
wanting
to
sell
it
off
as
a
block
since
I
can
remember
not
since
I
can
remember
since
35
years
ago
and
at
the
End
of
the
Street
there
there's
a
well
house
and
a
well
I
think
I
spoke
with
Doug
about
that,
and
he
didn't
even
know
it
was
there
it's
behind
some
bushes,
we'll
follow
the
the
water
and
the
wells
in
the
Saint
Charles
area.
C
Having
issues
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
well
house
and
the
well
property
there
is
protected
because
it
may
at
one
time
go
back
into
use
for
some
reason.
Another
it's
not
been
used
since
the
flow
in
subdivision
went
on
to
County
Water
years
ago,
but
it's
still
there
there's
a
building
there
and
there's
a
Reservoir
and
part
of
the
reservoir
has
been
covered
over
with
some
dirt
and
stuff
from
being
filled
up
by
the
people
at
the
End
of
the
Street
on
the
other
side,
be
212
and
they're
211.
C
A
C
C
C
C
F
F
G
G
You
very
much
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
commission.
My
name
is
Arnie
c
a
c
dinof
County
public
Advocate
mailing
address
PO
Box
1535
in
O'fallon.
First
of
all,
staff
is
correct.
This
is
a
very
changing
and
diverse
neighborhood.
It
has
a
mix
and
it's
about
50
50
with
commercial
and
residential
dwellings.
G
G
G
Definitely
divide
the
residential
versus
the
commercial
and
finally,
since
this
is
going
to
be
now
going
from
residential
to
commercial
to
make
sure
that
they're
in
compliance
that
this
building
is
open
to
the
public
that
they're
in
compliance
with
Americans,
with
Disabilities
Act
for
to
have
ample
access
to
the
building
and
parking.
G
If
the
public
is
invited,
I
don't
know
he
said
he's
going
to
use
the
storage
I'm,
assuming
it
probably
won't
be
open
to
the
public,
but
if
it
is
I
want
to
make
sure
that
Americans
with
Disabilities
Act
Ada
is
fully
complied
with.
Those
are
my
issues.
Mr
chairman
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Anyone.
D
D
E
Guess
just
a
couple
that
gentlemen
back
there
brought
up.
Are
you
going
to
have
any
additional
Lighting
on
the
property
and
any
kind
of
screening
between
whatever.
D
F
A
Any
other
questions
for
the
app
okay.
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you.
We'll
now
bring
application
number
rz22-6
team
back
to
the
commission
for
consideration.
Anyone
have
any
questions
for
staff.
E
I
A
Is
the
well
this
closed
Wellhead?
Is
it
in
the
county
or
the
city.
I
I
don't
know
offhand,
it's.
I
Site
for
this
property,
but
I,
don't
know
if
you
remember
the
old
bromp's
mobile
home
park,
yeah,
that's
how
you
pronounce
it
sure
this
backs
up
to
that
site,
yeah,
and
so
that's
that's
behind
it
and
there's
a
detention
Basin
just
south
of
this
and
then
there's
what
I
would
call
an
outdoor
I.
Don't
know
it's
outdoor
storage
yard
across
the
street,
so
it
is
a
mix
of
commercial,
semi-industrial
and
and
residential
in
the
street,
because.
A
I
We've
we've
approved
two
conditional
use
permits
for
an
auto
dealership
and
both
those
got
approved
and
both
of
them
expired
before
they
ever
constructed
anything.
So,
yes,.
A
A
Yes,
spamer,
yes,
Mr
Cornwall,
yes,
Mr
Fromm,.
F
A
Next
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
resulting
request.
Located
at
2012
Hill
Road
application,
RZ
22-17
property
owner
is
owners
are
Brian,
rybo
did
I,
get
that
correct.
Repo,
okay
and
Laura
Rebo
applicant
is
Laura
Rebo
current
zoning
is
a
agricultural
District.
Rezoning
request
is
C2,
General
commercial
District,
the
2030
master
plan
recommends
commercial
uses.
The
area
is
0.44
acres
in
size.
The
location
is
at
the
Northwest
Quadrant
of
Highway
61
and
David
hocal
Parkway
joining
the
cities
of
Wentzville
and
Flint
Hill
located
in
Council
District
One
staff.
I
I
I
The
parcel
is
0.44
Acres
about
as
best
I
can
tell
it
doesn't
have
any
Sewer
Service
it's
just
on.
It
must
be
on
a
septic
system
on
a
tiny
little
parcel.
In
fact,
if
this
parcel
were
didn't
have
any
buildings
on
it,
it
would
be
too
small
to
even
consider
for
use
for
an
on-site
sewage
treatment
system,
but
there's
an
existing
building
there.
I
So
the
building
has
been
used
for
as
a
a
warehouse
in
the
past
and
I'm.
A
little
honestly
I'll
be
perfectly
honest,
I'm
baffled
on
how
it
became
a
warehouse
in
that
his
own
agricultural
I
can't
find
I
looked
at
all
of
our
building
permits
back
to
the
1970s
and
I,
don't
find
any
approval
for
conversion,
but
what
I
did
find
I
looked
in
old
newspapers
and
found
out
that
in
1984
this
property
was
annexed
by
the
city
of
Flint
Hill,
and
then
there
was
a
there.
K
I
There
right
so
I
don't
have
any
record
of
a
non-conforming
use
permit
for
this
property,
but
obviously,
if
the
owners
wanted
to
apply
for
one
and
provided
evidence
for
why
it
was
why
they
believe
it's
a
non-conforming
use.
We
could
certainly
consider
that,
but
we
don't
have
any
non-confirming
use
permit
at
this
time,
so
we're
really
left
with
its
own
agricultural,
which
has
a
minimum
lot
size
of
five
acres.
I
So
it's
not
conforming
in
that
way.
They
want
to
resort
to
commercial
which
would
allow
it
to
that
doesn't
have
a
minimum
lot
size,
but
I
would
say
a
warehouse
is
not
a
permitted
use
in
the
commercial
C2
commercial
District,
it's
a
conditional
use.
So
if
it
were
rezoned
to
C2
commercial
District,
a
warehouse
would
require
a
conditional
use
permit.
But
there
are
a
whole
range
of
things
that
it
could
be
used
for
in
the
C2
District.
It
could
be
an
office,
for
instance,
that's
probably
the
most
likely
thing.
I
They
could
continue
using
it
as
long
as
it
was
legally
established,
then
they
could
continue
using
it
as
a
as
a
warehouse,
but
it
also
could
conclude
things
like
a
restaurant
or
just
any
use.
That's
permitted
in
our
zoning
District
in
the
C2
District
a
couple
of
things.
The
master
plan
recommends
on
the
Northwest
Quadrant
of
Highway
61,
which
this
borders
this
track
borders
and
David
Holcomb
Parkway.
It
recommends
future
commercial
land
uses.
I.
I
Think
what
I
had
in
mind
was
that
someday
that
corner
would
be
would
be
primed
for
redevelopment
say,
for
instance,
if
someone
came
in
with
multiple
lots
and
wanted
to
redevelop
that,
from
residential
to
commercial
that'd
be
a
prime
location
for
it,
but
in
this
case
no
one's
stepping
forward
to
do
that.
They're
stepping
forward
one
parcel,
that's
kind
of
in
the
back
of
the
subdivision,
meaning
that
if
this
were
his
own
commercial,
it
would
draw
commercial
traffic
through
this
residential
subdivision
to
this
parcel.
Now.
I
I
Yeah,
okay,
so
there
are.
There
are
factors
that
favor
rezoning,
including
the
master
plan
and
then
there's
other
factors
that
do
not
favor
the
rezoning,
the
county
staff.
I
We're
recommending
that
the
planning
zoning
commission
recommend
denial
for
the
application,
mainly
from
the
fact
that
if
multiple
Parcels
were
brought
in
at
once
for
a
rezoning
commercial,
it
would
make
more
sense.
But
we
have
one
small
parcel
kind
of
in
the
back
of
the
subdivision.
I
This
parcel
does
front
or
face
I
should
say
or
is
visible
from
Highway
61,
so
they
have
all
the
traffic
noise
and
and
that
sort
of
land
use
impact
on
this
parcel.
So
in
in
that
regard,
it
does
make
sense
to
reason
to
commercial
but
again,
I
think
on
balance,
our
recommendation
would
be
for
direct
to
recommend
denial.
I
H
L
I
If
someone
has
there's
a
non-conforming
use
means
that
a
property
is
being
used
for
something
that's
not
allowed
in
that
zoning
District
and
there's
two
kinds
of
non-conforming
uses.
There
is
a
a
legal
non-conforming
use,
in
other
words,
it
was
legally
established.
It
was
a
it
was
allowable
at
the
time
it
was
established,
but
the
rules
changed,
and
so
it's
it's.
What
you
might
call
grandfathered
and
the
other
type
of
non-conforming
use
is
what
you
might
call
an
illegal
non-conforming
use.
I
It
just
means
that
when
it
was
established,
it
was
not
permitted
in
that
zoning
district
and
it
has
never
been
permitted,
so
I
don't
know
which
one
of
these
it
falls
under,
but
if
it
was
legally
established,
certainly
they
could
continue
to
use
it
for
a
warehouse
for
as
long
as
they
chose
to
and
to
protect
their
rights.
To
do
so,
they
could
apply
for
what's
called
a
non-conforming
use,
permit
they
could
apply
to
to
the
county
for
non-conforming
use,
permit,
which
would
kind
of
formally
recognize
that
this
use
was
legally
established.
A
M
N
N
Address
is
of
the
property,
is
2012
Hill,
Road,
Winslow
Missouri
63385
go
ahead.
We
purchased
the
building
about
18-ish
months
ago.
We
were
going
to
use
it
because
I
owned
a
home
staging
company
and
I
wanted
it
for
an
office
space
and
for
some
storage.
N
In
the
meantime,
while
we
were
renovating
the
building,
because
I
was
a
huge
eyesore,
we
put
almost
eighty
thousand
dollars
into
the
building
to
fix
it
up
because
it
was
had
parts
of
it
falling
down
literally
I
sold
the
staging
company.
So
we
don't
use
it
for
that.
So
we
finished
the
renovation
and
decided
we
were
going
to
sell
it
and
that's
why
we're
here
today,
because
we
had
two
appraisals
on
the
building
one
when
we
purchased
that
came
up,
it
was
commercial,
a
second
one.
N
After
we
renovated
to
get
another
appraised
value,
it
came
up
again,
no
issues
with
it
being
commercially
zoned
I
have
a
buyer
for
the
building
and
his
appraiser
came
in
and
talked
to
someone
here
and
said
that
it's
not
his
own
commercial.
N
So
we
have
all
the
listing
documents
from
when
we
bought
it
and
back
in
1983
when
Sac
standings,
Fanning
and
sacks
bought
it
Fanning
dropped
out,
so
it
just
became
Zach's
about
10
years
ago,
so
we
bought
it
directly
from
Saks
he's
like
in
his
80s
now
so
getting
help
from
him.
N
His
memory
is
not
the
greatest
I
spoke
with
the
listing
agent,
so
this
is
all
kind
of
Blindsided
us
if
you
could
for
lack
of
better
terms
as
far
as
it
being
a
subdivision
like
he
said,
we
really
don't
have
a
recorded
plan
of
it
being
a
subdivision.
There
are
two
homes
before
our
building.
It
is
not
in
the
back
and
that
road
is
a
dead
end.
N
So
if
you
look
at
where
Piney
road
comes
into
Hill
Road
and
we
submitted
videos
of
actually
driving
that,
if
you
guys
have
the
link
I,
don't
know
if
you
got
that
or
not
so
when
you
drive-
and
you
turn
off
of
piney
where
there's
a
brand
new
gas
State.
Well,
it's
two
years
old
gas
station.
We
are
one
parcel
over
from
that
gas
station.
You
drive
past
three
houses.
Total
one
house
is
basically
condemned,
no
one
lives
in
and
it's
falling
down.
We
provided
a
photo
in
our
notes
as
well.
N
There's
trees
growing
on
top
of
it,
it
looks
like
Jumanji
on
the
outside.
Then
there
are
two
homes
and
us
our
home.
Our
property
is
the
only
property
on
Hill,
it's
the
first
property
on
Hill.
Actually,
so
Piney
comes
into
Hill
Road,
as
that
turns
we're
the
only
prop
first
property
on
Hill
Road
and
three
sides
of
our
building.
You
can
you're
basically
looking
at
onto
Highway
61,
you
could
throw
a
rock
onto
Highway.
61.
N
noise
is
a
huge
issue.
We
put
new
windows
in
because
you
couldn't
hear
anyone
talking
next
to
you
lighting.
You
have
Flynn
water
treatment
company,
literally
directly
across
61
and
all
of
their
lighting
at
night,
because
they
have
multi-million
dollar
worth
of
equipment
sitting.
There
literally
shines
in
our
Windows
there's
a
volleyball
court
on
the
other
Corner
that
you
see
the
lighting
from
that's
a
huge
recreational,
volleyball
court
there
and
noise
when
they
have
games
and
noise.
N
When
there's
games
you
hear
that
at
our
building,
as
well
as
far
as
23
homes,
I'm
really
not
sure
where
that's
coming
from,
because
you
drive
past
two
and
there
are
10
Parcels
past
us
and
only
nine
have
homes
on
them.
We
are
the
first
road
on
that
street
and
on
our
left,
there's
a
huge
field,
a
grassy
field.
You
want
to
give
them
these
I
print.
We
printed
these
out
too
I
didn't
get
to
put
them
in
the
notes.
This.
N
Actually
we
consulted
with
our
attorney
and
he
had
two
things
that
he
wanted
us
to
bring
up
at
the
meeting.
For
sure
one
is
this:
there's
a
large
commercial
apartment,
real
estate
company,
then
in
2011
right
across
that
grassy
field
from
us
has
a
same
size,
almost
parcel
as
us,
and
they
were
able
to
Zone
C2,
and
it's
literally
right
out
in
that
field.
N
In
the
photos
we
provided,
it's
200
or
I'm,
sorry
2060
feet,
so
less
than
half
half
a
mile
out
the
field
from
our
front
door
and
they
were
allowed
to
Zone
C2.
N
The
other
thing
that
he
wanted
to
bring
up
is
in
this
2030
land
use,
we're
seeing
that
there's
already
and
I'm
sure
you
guys
got
this
too,
with
the
roundabout
that
they're
basically
saying
is
going
to
go
in
at
our
front
door.
We're.
N
Plan
so
our
Master,
this
master,
the
2030
plan.
The
question
is:
is
it
you
know?
Is
this
going
to
have
any
effect
on
us
if
we
don't
get
to
sell
the
property?
What
are
we
looking
at
as
far
as?
Are
you
guys
going
to
be
taking
over
our
property
to
do
this
roundabout
or
what
will
happen
with
all
of
this?
N
This
kind
of
our
questions,
after
speaking
to
the
our
attorney,
so
he
was
very
concerned
with
this
roundabout
and
traffic
noise,
saying
oh,
it's,
okay,
to
put
a
roundabout
in
and
have
nine
houses
past
you,
but
it's
not
okay
for
you
to
have
traffic
that
they've
already
been
using
since
1983
for
a
drywall
company,
I
mean
there's
literally
no
traffic,
we're
the
first
house
and
we
don't
have
we're
not
open
to
public
either
we
weren't
planning
on
being
the
buyer,
isn't
either
so
what
traffic
would
be
coming
through
there
we're
just
a
little.
N
Playing
he
owns
a
small
digital
online
marketing
company,
so
they
make
like
small
videos
that
you
put
on
with
your
website
to
advertise.
For
so
that
you
have
a
company
and
you.
N
Yeah
it's
office
space.
Now
it's
not
a
warehouse
sacks
and
Fanning.
They
used
it
for
a
warehouse,
that's
not
what
we
have
it
set
for.
You
know,
like
I
said
we
went
in
and
renovated
everything.
The
the
other
thing
is
the
house
behind
us.
That's
on
a
very
large
lot
and
being
respectful
of
them.
We
put
up
a
large
privacy,
decorative
privacy
fence,
which
we
have
in
one
of
the
photos
that
we've
provided
as
well.
So
we've
already
done
that,
just
out
of
respect
for
for.
N
And
we
left
trees,
there
were
we
actually
took
eight
down
because
we
had
to
because
they
were
so
bad
because
Fanning
and
sax
had
let
us
sit
there.
They
were
so
overgrown.
It
cost
us
almost
thirty
thousand
dollars
to
have
trees
taken
down
that
were
massive
just
so
they
didn't
fall
on
the
house
that
sits
behind
us
or
our
property.
So
we
cleaned
up
I
mean
every
single
person
passed
us
that
I
know
of
stopped
in
and
they
were
so
grateful
to
us
and
talked
our
ear
off
and
they
were
just
like
like.
N
Thank
you
so
much
for
cleaning
this
up,
because
we
were
so
sick
of
looking
at
it
and
we
were
worried
about
our
property
value,
and
so
it
was
a
huge
concern
to
all
the
neighbors
that
this
was
sitting
there,
the
way
it
was
and
just
dilapidated,
and
now
it
looks
fantastic.
So.
I
Not
part
of
the
the
master
plan
but
there's
the
highway
61
Corridor
there's
a
quarter
study
that
anticipates
outer
roads
built
along
Highway
61..
There's
a
there's
a
in
an
excerpt
from
that
plan
in
your
staff
report
and
I.
Think
maybe
you
handed
it
out
and
they
are
showing
at
some
point
what
does
look
like
around
about
just
to
the
west
of
this
site.
So.
N
There's
a
Grandville
road,
which
is
where
that
other
side
to
your
property
was
zoned
that
sits
in
front
of
that
subdivision.
That
I
noted
it
sits
in
the
front
just
like
we
would
sit
in
the
front
of
where
they're
saying
we're
a
subdivision.
So
it
looks
like
they're
trying
to
connect
Granville
and
that
off-ramp.
J
I
I
Luckily,
I
reviewed
your
property
in
terms
of
those
plans,
because
I
was
worried
that
that
right
away
may
need
to
be
taken.
But.
I
I
Because
I
was
worried
when
this
first
came
in
that
the
plans
may
conflict
with
what
your
plans
are.
So
that
was
one
of
the
first
things.
I
looked
at
no.
N
K
N
As
an
office
type,
we
wouldn't
have
put
eighty
thousand
dollars
into
it.
If
we
were
going
to
tear
it
down
and
and
we
loved
it,
we
love
the
people
right
there,
like
I
said
everyone
has
been
so
cordial
and
stuffed
in
I
mean
I.
Had
one
lady
there
for
an
hour
just
chatting
with
me
just
so
excited
to
see
all
the
changes.
K
Yeah,
you
know,
and
I
and
and
I
think
the
cons
the
people
who
reached
out
to
me
that
live
in
this
area,
you
know
are
just
concerned
were
concerned
about
right
because
they.
K
A
O
O
The
place
it
had
been
a
drywall
warehouse
for
a
lot
of
years
from
the
early
mid,
70s
somewhere
near
74,
I,
think
I,
don't
know
how
a
gut
rezoned
or
anything
like
that
original
gentleman
that
run
the
drywall
business
eventually
turned
it
over
to
their
nephew
I
believe
it
was,
and
it
ran
as
a
drywall
Warehouse,
continually
up
until
2-0
2008
until
the
recession
hit
them
and
they
just
run
out
of
work
and
didn't,
have
them
and
went
out
of
business,
and
then
it
sit
there
for
a
while
a
few
years,
vacant,
I,
think
and
then
I
believe
there
might
have
been
some
other
little
businesses
in
there.
O
But
the
problem
of
all
this
is
right.
Now
is
a
parking
problem.
Foreign
the
new
overpass
went
in
about
two
years
ago.
There
was
ample
room
to
park
on
the
street
because
you
could
get
off
the
street
on
the
shoulder,
but
since
a
new
highway
came
in
they
just
about
eliminated
the
shoulder
all
together
and
just
put
up
a
Guard
railing
spots.
So
there's
no
parking
there
they're
parking
on
Hill
Road
up
around
the
corner,
which
really
cuts
down
to
vision
of
trying
to
get
up
and
down
our
street.
O
We're
also
concerned
about,
if
it's
Zone
rezoned,
that
it
will
require
or
will
allow
more
traffic
to
come
in,
which
is
somewhat
treacherous,
trying
to
get
off
the
Poco
parkway
onto
Old,
Piney
Road
down
to
Hill
Road,
because
you
you
come
off
there
and
you
it's
like
driving
in
a
hole
and
you
go
back
down
the
hill
on
the
original
Piney
road,
which
used
to
come
out
onto
the
highway.
That
was
blocked
off
with
all
the
new
with
the
overpass
and
the
exit
ramp
off
Southbound
61.
O
O
You
know
resurfacing
spray
ceiling,
snow
removal,
the
first
up
until
around
the
corner,
was
actually
at
one
time
stayed
right
away,
so
I
consider
that
Service
Road
up
until
around
the
corner
and
that
one
time
there
was
a
state
highway
ride
of
it.
Right-Of-Way
marker
there
to
indicate
that
it
made
the
corner
up
to
a
certain
point,
but
just
the
same
there's
no
place
to
park.
O
We
believe
it's
dangerous
and
if
there's
more
traffic
going
to
be
coming
in,
if
it's
rezoned,
it's
it's
not
going
to
improve
its
situation
any
and
if
it's
rezone
commercial,
we're
kind
of
afraid
that
kind
of
opens
the
door
for
Wentzville
to
jump
in
which
we
don't
want
anything
to
do
with
so
I'm.
A
I
personally
am
against
this.
My
wife
is
against
this.
O
P
A
Q
Smith
1969,
Hill,
Road
I
believe
it's
on
your
map.
It's
property,
1000
I,
think
it
is
again,
I,
don't
know
the
history
of
this
building
or
it's.
You
know
the
future.
I
just
I
object
to
this.
It's
dangerous
plain
and
simple:
there
that's
a
very
narrow,
two-lane
road
with
some
sharp
turns,
which
you
probably
can't
see
on
your
your
Maps
there,
but
you
know
that
gets
icy
that
gets
ill.
You
come
down.
There's
that
building
right
there,
that
constantly
has
multiple
Vehicles
parked,
making
it
a
one-lane
road
right
there
there's
just
it's
a
it's.
Q
It's
a
silly
place
to
put
a
business
in
a
neighborhood
doesn't
make,
especially
on
that
corner.
Where
there's
no
place
for
this
business
to
park
right
there's
what
probably
looks
like
garages
there
in
a
parking
area.
That's
never
used.
No
one
ever
parks
there.
It's
always
on
the
street
that
one
on
the
side
you'll
see
cars
in
sometimes,
but
coming
around
that
corner
two
little
sharp
Corners
there.
It's
always
cars
right.
This
goes
commercials,
that's
more
traffic
there
and
the
place
it
just
doesn't
make
any
sense.
F
F
K
Q
L
What
happened
whatever
yeah
I
mean
if
it's,
if
it's
a
private
road,
wouldn't
your
Association
or
whatever
your
group
of
you
know
homeowners
be
able
to
decide
what
you
want.
The
rules
to
be
on
your
own
private
road.
Just.
K
F
F
Q
F
A
A
J
So,
to
create
a
little
bit
of
clarity,
I
think
it's
part
of
the
problem
is
it's
unclear
where
Hill
Road
actually
starts.
So,
according
to
our
understanding,
Hill
Road,
our
subdivision
Street
starts
immediately
after
it
would
be.
I
would
call
it
the
second
driveway.
So
as
you
come
around
the
corner,
the
asphalt
doesn't
start
until
after
that
driveway.
J
J
The
problem
along
with
the
traffic
is,
if
they
don't
come,
plow
that
we
can't
get
out
like
we'll
just
end
up
sliding
into
the
guardrail
it's
hard
enough
with
I,
wouldn't
even
consider
it
a
full
two
lane
by
the
building
as
it
is
to
get
around
there,
because
we
have
to
stick
to
the
inner
Corner
kind
of
like
a
Raceway
to
slide
around
the
corner
and
not
hit
the
guardrail,
because
they
don't
come
and
plow
it.
So
we're
required
to
plow
our
street,
which
it
starts
above
and
they
plow
what's
below.
J
So
again,
it's
a
huge
safety
hazard.
What's
also
happened
in
that
area,
since
they
built
that
new
overpass
how
that
road
used
to
dead
end
into
the
highway
there
they
now
made
that
a
complete
Square
corner.
So
there's
a
stop
sign
when
you
are
coming
from
whatever
you
guys
want
to
call
it
the
hillside
going
up
towards
I,
guess
what
they
call
it.
Hoco
Parkway,
there's
a
stop
sign
there.
Nobody
pays
attention
to
that,
stop
sign,
so
everybody
usually
just
kind
of
takes
a
wide
turn
the
other
way.
J
J
Along
with
the
cars
parking
on
multiple
sides
of
the
roads,
they
did
clean
up
the
property
like
when
they
first
said
they
made
a
lot
of
advancements
to
it,
but
as
whatever
businesses
out
there
have
grown,
there
is
a
few
parking
spots
up
by
the
garage,
there's,
probably
like
five
parking
spots.
Maybe
six.
If
they're
lucky
they've
overgrown
that
and
they
just
started
parking
out
on
the
street
and
again
we
don't
feel
like.
J
We
have
any
real
representation
to
that,
because
it's
State
Road
and
if
it
is
State
Road,
then
they
in
my
opinion,
they
shouldn't
be
able
to
park
there
to
begin
with,
and
it
should
be
like
they
said,
no
parking
with
the
traffic
from
there.
There
is
more
traffic
from
there
is
a
a
lawn
care
service
and
other
people
that
have
come
from
there
and
they
come
and
turn
around
at
the
end
of
our
road.
J
Instead
of
turning
around
down
there
because
there's
usually
no
space
at
the
end
of
the
road,
there
was
a
vacant
house
that
had
a
U-turn
in
the
driveway.
It's
actually,
where
all
of
our
trash
trucks,
all
any
service
trucks
they
actually
have
to
turn
around
in
this
driveway
and
then
back
down
to
pick
up
the
service
as
it
is
now,
there's
somebody
that
recently
moved
in
there
that
was
vacant
for
like
a
couple
years,
so
they
kind
of
just
started.
Taking
advantage
of
that
now,
that's
not
available
anymore.
So
what
happens?
J
Is
they
get
down
there
like?
We
don't
know
where
to
turn
around,
so
they
usually
turn
around
in
my
yard,
because
I
am
at
the
very
corner
at
the
end
before
they
get
to
the
blind
corner
and
they're
like
oh,
we
don't
know
where
to
go
this
obviously
dead
ends
and
they've.
It's
been
happening
like
multiple
times
without,
like
back
off
in
the
ditch
I'll,
be
like
hey,
like
don't
do
that
which
is
not
their
specific
fault.
I'm
assuming
it's.
J
You
know
the
tenants,
but
this
is
some
of
the
issues
that
we're
dealing
with
on
this
very,
very
narrow
road.
Like
you
said,
there
have
been
every
once
in
a
while
a
few
people
park
on
the
edge,
because
there
was
another
house
that
they
were
rehabbing.
Nobody
parks
full
time
on
the
edge
of
that
road
if
two
trucks
meet.
J
One
truck
has
to
take
the
grass
of
somebody's
yard
on
the
specific
Hill
Road,
because
it
is
that
narrow,
as
it
merges
down
to
the
end
on
there
yeah
it's
just
it's
just
a
really
dangerous
situation.
That
I
feel
like
wasn't
oversight
when
they
started
unplanning
that
and
how
they're
going
to
put
a
roundabout
in
there
with
the
rocks
and
how
that's
all
going
to
work
I'm,
not
sure,
but
this
all
being
a
commercial
development
does
not
load
well
if
it
continues
in
the
manner
that
it
is
being
used
right
now.
A
A
G
G
You
very
much
Mr
chairman
members
of
the
commission.
My
name
is
Arnie
caac
deanov,
County
public
Advocate
mailing
address
PO
Box
1535
in
O'fallon.
First
of
all,
there's
a
couple
issues
that
really
come
to
light
here.
Number
one
is
the
Sewer
Service,
the
only
potential
I
believe
Flint
Hill
offers
limited
sewer
and
water
service,
but
the
most
likelihood
would
be
with
the
city
of
Wentzville
and
they're
not
going
to
provide
Sewer
Service
unless
they
Annex
to
the
city
of
Wentzville.
G
The
second
issue:
that's
really
been
brought
to
light
and
I'm,
really
not
convinced
by
staff
that
proper
research
was
done
with
the
recorder
of
deeds
or
by
calling
the
city
of
Flint
Hill
or
the
city
of
Wentzville
and
I
asked
that
this
commission
tabled
this
issue
pending
a
legal
opinion
for
Mr
wise,
your
associate
County
counselor
to
my
right.
What
is
the
proper
jurisdiction
I
would
like
to
avoid
any
potential
litigation
from
the
city
of
Flint,
Hill
or
the
city
of
Wentzville
I.
G
G
The
next
issue
is
there
was
a
letter
received
from
the
city
of
Wentzville
dated
November
7th.
They
have
some
really
good
ideas
here.
This
property
needs
paved
driveways,
either
concrete
or
blacktop,
and
a
paved
parking
lot
that
currently
is
not
being
offered
since
this
borders.
A
residential
district.
There
needs
to
be
proper,
buffering,
proper
landscape
and
appropriate
type,
2
or
type
3
screening
to
uphold
property
values
of
the
residential
part
of
this
neighborhood.
G
There
was
another
email
received
by
Todd
Pruitt,
a
resident
of
Hill
Drive
received
from
the
county
or
to
the
county
on
on
November
9th
he's
opposed,
and
he
confirms
that
this
is
a
dead
end,
Street
privately
maintained
by
the
residents.
This
development
will
bring
new
traffic
demands
and
they
won't
be
paying
for
the
upkeep
or
maintenance
of
the
roadway.
He
also
talks
about
potential
decrease
of
property
values.
G
I've
looked
at
this
issue.
I
sympathize
with
the
owners.
They
probably
should
have
done
a
little
bit
more
homework
before
they
did
a
contract
or
purchase
the
property
a
few
years
ago.
I
applaud
them
for
cleaning
up
the
property,
but
I
have
to
go
with
Mr
Myers,
and
this
Planning
and
Zoning
staff
and
support
the
staff's
recommendation
that
we
pay
a
lot
of
money
to
in
terms
of
denial.
G
If
this
commission
does
recommend
to
the
County
Council
I
would
ask
that
the
County
Council
put
a
condition
that
the
rezoning
upon
contingent
upon
approval
of
rezoning
would
require
a
cup
conditional
use
permit
to
control
what
goes
on
this
parcel
and
I
think
that's
really
important
and
then
to
the
residents
behind
me.
You
need
to
bring
more
residents
to
oppose
this
issue
at
the
December
12th
kind
of
council
meeting
before
seven
o'clock,
and
there
will
be
three
minutes
that
you
can
say
resident
comments.
Those
are
my
comments.
G
N
Have
two
parking
lots?
There
are
a
total
of
16
spots.
There
I
I
can't
be
there
to
police
what
happens,
but
right
now,
as
we
were
doing
construction
and
bringing
in
huge
sheets
of
drywall
and
drywall
tape
sheets
and
things
like
that.
Yes,
there
have
been
a
lot
of
cars
on
the
top
one.
So
there's
a
parking
parking
lot
here
that
holds
eight
and
there's
a
parking
lot
up
here
that
holds
eight
and
they
are
right.
The
state
wrote
the
state
is
taking
care
of
the
road
like,
like
I,
said
we're.
N
The
other
thing
is:
we've
even
had
our
landscaper
cut
across
the
street,
where
they're
talking
about
all
the
state
stuff,
because
the
state
is
not
cutting
it.
The
state
is
not
maintaining.
It
is
like
a
zoo
right
there,
between
61
and
and
Pioneer
Hill,
so
we've
even
went
above
and
beyond
to
do
that
because
it
was
so
bad.
N
So
as
far
as
the
stop
sign
at
Piney
and
Hill
and
across
from
the
gas
station,
it's
bad
there
too,
but
that's
not
our
parcel.
That's
not
our
controllable
issue
that
that's
nothing.
We
can
control.
Those
are
things
that
the
state's
going
to
have
to
come
in
and
fix
that
shouldn't
be
on
our
behalf.
L
Yeah
I
had
a
couple
of
questions.
First,
specifically,
you
said
that
the
person
that's
wanted
to
purchase
this
property
is
wanting
to
have
an
office.
N
L
Have
you
all
considered
any
other
sort
of
conditional
use
permit
or
anything
besides,
just
zoning
it
as
a
C2.
N
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
or
loan
purposes
for
someone
to
get
funding
is
what
it
comes
down
to
I
believe
so,
if
it,
if
it
is
Zone
C2
and
it
needs
it,
can
it
needs
to
have
a
like
the
like.
You
said
what
can
be
put
in
the
C2
space,
then
I'm
sure
that's
fine.
It's
just
going
to
be
about
needing
to
be
commercial
and
it's
agricultural
right
now
it
shouldn't
be
agricultural
either.
That's
the
point
like
where,
when
did
that
happen?
Why
is
it
that
it's
a
0.46
parcel
all
the
rest
of
them?
L
I
think
the
concern
would
be
that
if
it's
Zone
C2,
that
that
gives
the
opportunity
for
someone
to
come
in
and
do
something
else
with
that
land
that
use
that's
more
than
what
you're
doing
I,
don't
know
that
the
concern
is
specifically
what
you're
wanting
to
do.
So.
My
question,
for
you,
then,
is:
have
you
considered
if
there's
a
way
to
do
what
you
want
to
do
without
creating
a
risk
of
giving
people
the
opportunity
of
doing
things
that
are
you.
F
L
And
I
do
have
a
commercial
loan
on
it.
Yes,
because
the
commercial
lender
is
not
saying
the
same
thing
depends
on
the
commercial
lender.
I
use,
First
State
Bank
of
oh,
come
on.
First
take
Community
Bank
out
of
right
right
City,
but
it's
a
commercial
loan.
It's
on
a
piece
of
agricultural
property.
It
has
a
commercial
use.
Now
the
difference
is
the
commercial
use
in
this
case
is
permissive
under
agricultural.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
it
may
not
be
that
you
have
to
have
it
zoned
to
C2?
L
L
K
K
N
Know
I
mean
but
they've
already
started
most
of
it
right
there,
Piney
Road,
overpass,
there's
a
roundabout
on
the
other
side
of
Pioneer
Road
overpass.
They
put
a
gas
station
and
that's
my
point
and
I'm
not
saying
it
has
to
be.
We
are
just
trying
to
get
it
C2
so
do
what
we
need
to
do,
because
we
are
selling
the
building
and
we
already
have
a
buyer
who's
going
to
keep
it
office
space.
It's
been
an
office
space
since
1983.
same
traffic,
same
parking
amount
of
space.
L
A
little
piece
of
advice
that
like
making
it
C2,
is
going
to
open
it
up
to
wildly
inappropriate
uses
for
this
particular
piece
of
land.
So
it's,
in
my
opinion,
just
reading
the
room.
I
think
it's
highly
unlikely
that
that's
going
to
happen
so
I'm
suggesting
to
you
that
you
may
wish
to
look
at
other
methods
for
getting
done
what
you
want
to
get
done.
Okay,
I
appreciate
that.
I
Well,
yes,
so
the
application
is
for
C2,
General
commercial
District
right.
The
master
plan
doesn't
necessarily
recommend
districts.
It's
really
more
about
youth
land
use
categories,
so
the
master
plan
recommends
future
commercial
there's
another
district
below
one
step
below
C2
called
neighborhood
commercial
District
and
then
there's
another
commercial
zoning
district
below
that
called
office
and
Commercial
dis,
I'm,
sorry,
office
District,
so,
for
instance,
Co
office,
District
permissive
uses,
abstracting,
Services,
advertising,
architectural
engineering,
artists,
painters,
sculptors,
auditing,
accounting,
business
and
management
consulting
services.
Basically
it's
a
list
of
different
offices.
I
Too,
so
what
you're,
the
proposing
in
terms
of
that
sort
of
office
that
would
fit
really
well
under
under
that
I
would
offer
that,
according
to
the
the
zoning
procedures,
once
an
application
reaches
the
the
County
Council,
the
County
Council
can
choose
to
rezone
a
smaller
area
than
what
was
applied
for
or
a
less
intensive
zoning
District
than
what
was
applied
for
so
the
someone,
for
instance,
applies
for
C2
zoning.
The
County
council
could
say
well,
I.
Think
C1
is
more
appropriate
here
or
Co
is
more
appropriate
here.
F
I
Possibly
the
County
council
could
choose
to
their
choices,
would
be
to
approve
it
as
as
submitted
or
deny
it
or
they
could
approve
a
different
zoning
District.
That's
of
a
less
intensive
use.
Okay,.
A
A
R
R
M
N
I
found
this
out,
I
went,
I,
went
to
the
office
on
on
the
main.
Your
main
building
and
I
spoke
to
I
thought
he
was
the
head
of
cleaning
and
Zoning.
That's
what
it
said
on
his
card.
I
N
And
he's
the
one
when
I
spoke
to
him
through
all
this
and
I
said:
look
when
we
bought
it.
This
is
what
we
were
told
and
and
when
I
looked
at
tax
records.
This
is
what
I
saw.
I
went
through
all
that
with
him,
and
he
was
the
one
that
suggested
the
C2
thing
sure.
So,
honestly,
Jen
and
I
I
totally
get
what
you're
saying
and
appreciate.
F
N
K
It
could
be,
it
could
be,
and
so
I
I
have
to
sympathize
with
the
residents
and
look
at
what's
best
for
the
area
and
that
that
would
be
a
huge
concern
for
me.
But
knowing
that
you,
you
know,
so
you
kind
of
your
two
options
are.
Is
you
can
have
us
vote
as
is
see
what
happens
and
then
ask
to
amend
it
or
you
can
table
it
and
come
back
in
a
month
and
say:
okay,
we
want
to
re-request
something
other
zoning.
R
H
K
I
I
Of
commercial
gesture
yeah,
you
know,
typically,
there
are
some
sort
of
a
buffer
between
commercial
and
residential.
What's
interesting
is
one
of
the
parking
areas
which
has
angled
parking.
If
you
look
at
the
air
photograph,
it
shows
that
it's
striped
with
angled
parking,
just
like
a
commercial
parking.
I
M
F
I
K
A
Yeah
go
ahead:
oh
nice,
we'll
bring
this
rz22-17,
bring
it
back
to
the.
A
E
As
discussed,
I
think
that
a
CEO
type
of
zoning
does
make
sense,
it
doesn't
make
sense
as
a
warehouse
and
the
highest
and
best
use
does
not
dictate
single-family
residents.
E
So
I
would
say
that
that
again
what
you
had
talked
about,
I
think
that
makes
far
more
sense.
I
agree
agreed.
A
I
A
We
don't
know
who
would
they
could
petition
to
put
some
no
parking
signs,
I.
A
Looked
into
it
so:
okay,
okay
and
then
Council.
There's
there's
no
way
that
that,
assuming
we
vote
on
this
and
it's
this
application's
turned
down,
can
we
make
a
any
message
to
the
council
that
we
would
support.
A
R
They
could
review,
but
also
be
in
the
minutes,
but
which
the.
R
But
in
terms
of
the
vote
that
you're
taking
today
would
be
on
what
they've
applied,
for,
which
would
be
for
the
C2
yeah,
okay,.
R
A
Anyone
have
anything
else,
okay,
so
the
chair
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
application:
RZ
22-17,
which
is
to
rezone
property
located
at
the
Northwest
Quadrant
of
Highway
61
and
David
hocal
Parkway,
enjoying
the
cities
of
Wentzville
and
Flint
Hill.
The
address
is
2012
Hill
Road.
Is
there
a
motion
about
motion
by
Mr
Fromm?
Is
there
a
second
second
Mr
Cleary
made
the
second
Miss
paymer?
How
do
you
vote
no
Mr
Cornwell.
K
F
O
A
Mr
Hollander
is
not
here
and
I
vote.
No,
oh
Mr
show
no
I'm
sorry
trying
to
do
it
in
random
order.
Okay
and
the
County
council
meeting
is.
A
K
F
A
Next
thing
on
our
agenda
is
a
continued
tabled
item
conditional
use,
permit
request,
6730
Hickory,
Tree
Lane,
and
so
we
need
a
motion
to
take
that
off.
The
table
motion
is:
is
there
a
second
to
the
motion
of
taking
conditional
use,
permit
request,
6730,
Hickory,
Tree
Lane
off
the
table?
Is
there
a
second
second
a
bit
of
motion
in
a
second
all
in
favor
cyanide?
Okay,
so
we
now
will
consider
conditional
use,
permit
request,
6730.
A
A
A
I
What's
changed
since
the
last
time
this
this
was
reviewed
one.
We
have
a
written
communication
from
the
applicant
to
change
it
from
a
maximum
of
10
children
to
a
maximum
of
five.
We
also
have
communication
from
Carnival
Fire,
Protection
District,
and
also
from
the
St
Charles
County
Amos
District,
as.
M
S
Yes,
as
as
Robert
said,
we
have
asked
to
reduce
the
size
from
10
children
to
five
children
and
I
apologize.
We
got
it
late
to
the
staff,
so
I
know
they
had
a
little
bit
of
a
fire
drill
today
and
I
think
you
guys
have
hard
copies
of
it
rather
than
in
your
packet.
S
So
one
of
the
reasons
so
we're
hoping
that
in
reducing
it
from
ten
to
five
that
will
reduce
the
number
of
trips
on
Hickory
Tree
Lane.
That
was
one
of
the
big
concerns
of
the
prior
meeting.
Reducing
it
to
five
would
actually
take
us
at
or
below
the
number
of
trips
that
we
had
when
we
were
a
maternity
home,
which
is
what
we
were
already
permitted
to
use.
S
As
Robert
mentioned,
we
talked
to
the
ambulance
District.
They
provided
a
letter
that
said
all
of
their
equipment,
get
down
Hickory
Tree
Lane.
They
have
no
concerns.
S
Even
the
most
advanced
life
I
forgot
how
they
phrase
it.
The
most
advanced
life
equipment
can
get
down
there.
We
also
talked
to
the
Cottleville
fire
department.
S
They
had
no
concerns
under
five
were
actually
not
five
or
under
we're,
not
actually
in
their
jurisdiction,
but
they
stated
that
they
would
have
no
problem
with
their
equipment
getting
down
Hickory
Tree
Lane
either,
even
though
we're
not
in
their
jurisdiction
from
our
prior
usage
as
a
maternity
home,
we're
well
above
the
residential
fire
code,
we
have
fire
doors
that
are
alarm
triggered.
All
of
our
services
will
be
provided.
S
On
the
first
floor,
all
the
children
will
be
on
the
first
floor
and
even
on
the
second
floor,
where
the
staff
will
be,
we
have
an
external
door
with
a
fire
escape
and
so
from
a
fire
perspective,
we're
above
what
we
would
actually
be
required
to
by
the
carnival
fire
department.
Since
the
meeting,
we
also
met
with
the
neighbors,
the
West
Falls,
to
try
and
come
to
an
agreement
on
Hickory
Tree
Lane.
S
We
were
not
able
to
do
so,
but
we're
hoping
that,
with
the
reduction
from
ten
to
five,
that
will
alleviate
some
of
the
issues
that
we
had.
Some
of
the
concerns
that
we
had
around
the
traffic.
K
S
Potentially,
potentially
yeah,
we
haven't
decided
that
yet.
M
S
A
We
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
for
RZ
22-14.
Is
anyone
wishing
to
speak.
A
P
The
updates
were
obviously
just
now
finding
out
the
the
drop
of
of
numbers
and
that's
a
positive,
but
at
the
same
fact
the
hours
are
operation.
It's
still
one
of
those
situations
where
my
son
has
to
walk
from
our
home
all
the
way
out
to
Highway
K
at
that
time
to
where
he's
still
gonna
have
to
dodge.
Even
if
it's
two
or
three
cars,
he
still
has
to
dodge
that
which
he
typically
wouldn't.
P
It
I
mean,
like
I,
said
it's
it's
one
of
those
situations,
though
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from.
If
it
was
a
home,
if
someone
lived
there,
you
would
be
okay
leaves
at
the
same
time
my
son
leaves
okay.
Well,
then,
my
son
didn't
knows:
okay,
that
person
leaves
work
I've.
Seen
that
happen,
one
or
two
times,
if
he's
having
a
car,
come
down
any
random
person.
That's
coming
down
to
that
that
home
I
don't
want
to
have
to
worry
about
that
every
single
day.
P
That's
a
main
concern
that
I
have
and
as
far
as
the
meeting
between
us
and
them
went,
it
was
more
of
just
of.
P
Can
we
find
a
mid
a
medium
ground
in
the
only
way
that
we
saw
it
would
be
to
try
to
widen
the
road
which
that
wasn't
something
by
our
understanding
that
they
were
interested
in
doing
for
either
financial
reasons
or
whatever
the
reasons
may
be.
They
did
mention
putting
in
a
side
turn
to
where
someone,
if
you're
coming
in,
if
you
saw
it,
you
can
turn
but
at
the
same
time
that
would
kind
of
fix
one
part
of
the
problem.
S
F
P
F
P
H
And
it's
not
that
we're
opposed
to
people
coming
down.
We
just
want
you
to
know.
If
you
lived
there,
you
would
respect
kids
that
live
there,
like
you,
do
in
a
neighborhood.
How
many
times
do
you
see
a
neighborhood
sign?
Kids
live
here
like
we
thought
about
putting
a
sign
up,
we
did
they
did
they
put
the
speed
limit
sign
up,
but,
as
I've
mentioned
before,
I
got
ran
off
the
road
in
my
own
car
and
I
live
I
live
in
a
cul-de-sac.
P
So,
as
far
as
their
suggestion
went,
like
I
said
it
would
fix
part
of
the
problem.
I
don't
know
if
I
could
hook
this
up.
Like
last
time,
you.
H
Can
we
record
it
just
to
show
that
there
there's
no
way
to
pass
so
we
did
meet
with
them?
We
were
hoping
we
could
come
to
a
term
with
widening
the
road
yeah.
F
H
O
H
H
Yes,
we
have
two
of
the
same
cars,
so
you're
gonna,
Wonder
I,
know
so
our
property's
back
there.
This
is
not
even
our
property
yet,
as
we
said
before,
there's
400
over
400
yards
there,
so
we
own
right
where
that
telephone
pole
is
back.
This
is
all
owned
by
the
commercial
buildings
is
what
we're
looking
into
right
now
with
the
easements
and
stuff.
M
H
F
F
H
H
M
H
How
to
just
make
it
easier
for
people
to
pass
by
so
we
did
our
due
diligence
of
meeting
with
them
asking
like.
Would
they
be
opening
the
wedding
Road
they
offered
the
like
Side
Road,
and
we
we
did
ask
like
how
would
it
work?
He
was
like
we're
not
really
sure
yet,
okay,
so
we
asked
if
they
could
meet
with
us,
how
that
would
work
just
so
traffic,
but
again
that
was
35
or
30
to
35
cars
before
so.
This
is
new
sauce.
Just
this
is
a
new
seed.
P
And
regardless,
if
we
were
to
agree
and
come
to
an
agreement
of
wiring
in
the
road,
I
still
don't
understand
how
it
would
work
when
it
comes
down
to
the
actual
part
where
the
tree
line
starts,
because,
as
you
can
see,
there's
a
telephone
pole
there
you
go
another
50
yards,
there's
two
more
telephone
poles
on
the
right
side.
So
where
do
you
buy
it
at
that
point?
Well,.
P
L
L
H
P
P
A
room
yeah
I
mean
the
idea
that
was
proposed
to
us
was
a
side
driveway
that
kind
of
resembles
AstroTurf
type
ordeal
that
cars
can
drive
over.
That's
what
was
presented
to
us.
We.
H
Get
down
the
driveway
at
the
same
time
with
the
30
plus
cars,
even
with
Sparrow's
Nest,
it
would
have
been
nice
to
have
that
something
so
that
we
can
all
pass
each
other,
because,
as
you
see,
if
I'm
coming
I'm
trying
to
go
to
work
at
the
same
time,
8
am
no
matter.
If
there's
five,
eight
or
another
family,
it
is
a
stupid
road
like
Craig,
says
or
whatever
he
said.
It's
a
pain.
It
is
so
I
mean
we.
We
found
out
too,
like
every
we're
all
supposed
to
be
maintenancing
it.
P
M
H
I
mean
I,
guess
I
mean
we've
done
it
this.
You
know,
we've
done
it
and
the
Burke
campers
did
it
before
us.
So
it's
not
that
that
was
a
headache,
but
if
it
like
became
to
where
they
were
bringing
35
people,
who's
gonna
make
sure.
So
we
did
what
you
told
us
we.
This
is
new
to
us
too,
so
we're
just
trying
to
figure
that
out.
But
within
the
time
of
that
we
did
contact
him
and
we
found
out
more
can
of
worms
that.
M
H
With
the
easements
and
how
our
originally
that
that
easement
was
access
to
residential,
not
even
to
what
the
Sparrow's
Nest
was
like
that
easement
was
supposed
to
be
just
for
residential,
is
what
this
attorney
was
telling
us,
and
you
know,
he's
like
you
just
don't
want
to
they've,
been
there
eight
and
a
half
years.
We
never
had
an
issue
with
them.
It's
always
been
an
issue
with
traffic,
I'd
be
lying
to
say
it
wasn't,
that's
I
mean
anybody
would
be,
but
then
it
comes
to
that.
H
H
It's
just
a
sore
location,
I
guess
so
we
asked
them
like.
Would
you
ever
consider
like?
Maybe
if
you
did
sell
it
like,
would
you
guys
like
consider
maybe
a
building
or
like
an
old
church?
This
was
just
us
being
neighbors
saying:
we've
got
to
listen
to
the
whole
plan
like
I.
Think
it's
amazing
like
they
said
they
learned
it
from
somebody
else
in
a
different
state.
I,
don't
know
how
much
you
guys
knew
about
it,
but
I
thought
it
was
great.
H
I
mean
I,
think
we
were
there
for
an
hour
hour
and
a
half,
so
it
wasn't
like
a
two
second
idea.
We
just
kept
coming
back
to.
How
can
we
both
pass
by
without
an
issue
even
if
it
stops
there,
because
we
don't
own
that
land,
that's
something
better
than
400
yards
of
coming
down
and
backing
all
the
way
up,
because
that's
what
it
is
and
if
you've
been
that
back
there,
you
know
that
there
you
got
it
back
all
the
way
up.
H
L
H
After
yeah,
we
kind
of
talked
about
it
together
to
see
if
they
could
help
us
try
to
get
rid
of
them
too,
for
the
safety
of
anybody,
because
the
fire
department
might
be
okay.
But
if
there's
a
truck
on
that
rock,
then
I
mean
it
literally
the
day
that
we
left
here
the
next
day
there
were
two
cars.
Just
last
week,
a
cop
car
hit
the
rock
he
got
stuck
on
the
Rock
and
had
to
explain
to
his
Sergeant,
who
would
have
come
out
to
help
him
get
off
the
rock.
H
H
H
So
you
said
it
should
have
been
put
back
there.
Well,
he
said
to
say:
I'm,
like
I,
don't
know
any
of
that
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
if
it
gets
approved.
How
do
we
make
it
safe
for
everybody
and
everybody's
happy
and
they
can
all
get
in
and
out
of
their
property
and
they
don't
have
an
issue?
Neither
do
we
because
we
have
to
live
there.
They
don't.
H
P
H
No
operation
inside
but
I
mean
again
that
got
brought
up
last
time,
so
we
brought
that
up
with
the
attorney
because
we
have
we're
going
through
a
permit
to
put
them
on
art
for
Acres
on
so
I
mean
I,
didn't
that
doesn't
really
have
much
to
do
with
what
they're
going
for,
because
that's,
not
traffic.
That's
our
bus!
There's,
not
somebody
on
the
bus,
unloading
and
hanging
out
like.
F
P
F
H
P
I
Q
H
A
G
G
I
did
read
the
ambulance
District
response,
saying
that
they
could
respond
to
that
home
in
case
I
get
a
full-size
ambulance
back
there,
I'm
sympathetic
with
that,
but
the
one
thing
that
I
want
to
leave
with
you
is
the
main
concern
of
the
commission
should
be
the
public
health
safety
and
Welfare
of
all,
and
so
there
needs
to
be
a
secondary
roadway
or
three
bump
outs,
and
that
was
just
discussed
here.
G
A
So
you
know
what
we'll
close
public
hearing
bring.
It
ask
the
applicant
to
come
back.
F
S
So
I
really
don't
want
to
get
into
a
he
said.
He
said
she
said
here
and
I'm
going
to
apologize
for
that
up
front.
S
That
as
a
possibility
to
the
westfalls,
they
told
me
that
they
would
one
not
pay
for
it.
Two
were
not
we're,
not
supportive
of
widening
the
road
and
three
did
not
want
to
lose
any
of
their
trees
and
therefore
did
not
want
it
on
their
part
of
the
property.
So
that's
where
we
left
it
and
that's
kind
of
where
I
just
stopped
at
that
point,
and
so
the
road
maintenance
agreement
does
require
us
to
share
expenses.
We've
never
been
asked
to
share
expenses,
we'd,
be
glad
to
help
with
that.
S
You
know,
as
far
as
we
know
the
easement's
not
based
off
of
use,
it's
just
an
easement
for
the
usage
of
the
the
the
road,
and
so
you
know,
we've
we've
tried
to
be
good.
Neighbors
we've
tried
to
design
this
in
a
way
that
impacts
them.
To
let
the
least
you
know,
we've
tried
to
find
Solutions
and
just
have
not
been
forthcoming
with
them.
So,
okay,
thank
you.
M
L
Is
there
any
other
use
that
it
would
allow
for?
Is
it
specific
to
the
maternity
home.
L
That
question:
that's
okay,
so
basically
I
just
want
to
clarify.
So
your
current,
the
current
use,
that
is
legal.
You
had
30
cars
going
up
and
down
the
road.
Yes,.
S
When
we
had
those
eight
residents,
we
would
typically
have
three
or
four
staff
in
the
house
at
a
given
time
and
we
had
two
to
three
shifts
a
day.
So
if
you
add
all
of
that
up,
that's
where
we
got
the
30
trips
a
day.
Okay,
now
we
would
have
five
families
and
maybe
five
staff
going
in
and
out,
and
so
that's
20
trips
a
day
and
that's
why
I
think
that
we'll
actually
reduce
the
number
of
trips
on
the
road
now
so.
S
K
Yeah,
so
that's
not
going
to
be
interfering
with
the
coming
and
going
of
the
Sun
going
to
school
with
the
staff.
So
probably,
if
it's
the
eight
o'clock
hour
give
or
take
15
minutes
before
and
after
your
most,
you
would
probably
have
it
before
or
five
cars
during
that
time
period.
That's.
S
L
A
A
Cheer
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
cup
22-12
with
the
following
amendments.
One
recommendation
two
currently
raise
a
maximum
of
10
children
may
attend
and
subject
day
care
center
attend
the
subject
day
care
center
at
any
time
any
one
time,
and
that
would
be
a
minute
to
read
a
maximum
of
five
children
may
attend
the
subject,
take
care
center
at
any
one
time
and
then,
with
the
addition
of
recommendation
number
five,
no
conditional
use
she'll
be
active
until
all
conditions
of
the
approval
have
been
met.
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A
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Rz22-14,
the
location
is
3866
South,
Point,
Prairie,
Road
property
owners
are
the
repentin
family,
limited
partnership
and
Kenneth
Baker
and
Michelle
Baker
developers,
Lombardo
homes
of
St,
Louis
LLC,
current
zonings
and
Cultural
District,
five
acre
minimum
lot
size.
A
rezoning
request
is
in
two
parts:
a
79.85
acres
to
RR
single
family
residential
district,
three
incremental
lot
size
and
B,
one
acre
to
r1a
single
family
residential
district.
One
acre
minimum
lot
size,
2030
master
plan
recommends
resident
rural
residential
uses.
Subject
parcel
is
95.88
Acres.
A
I
A
Next
thing
on
our
agenda
is
to
approve
the
minutes
of
the
October
19th
2022
meeting.
Anyone.