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January 20, 2016 - St Charles County, Missouri Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting
A
A
B
A
In
favor
signify
saying
aye
aye,
any
opposed
applications
for
rezoning
and
conditional
use
permit
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
will
be
voted
on
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
During
the
meeting,
the
planning
and
zoning
commission
recommends
on
the
application
recommendations
on
the
application
will
be
submitted
to
the
saint
charles
county
council
for
their
final
decision
on
the
items.
A
The
individual
items
and
bills
for
these
applications
are
scheduled
to
be
introduced
at
the
monday
february
8
2016
council
meeting
applications
for
preliminary
platt
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
will
also
be
voted
on
by
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
During
this
meeting.
The
vote
this
evening
on
the
preliminary
plats
is
final.
Only
a
recommendation
for
denial
of
a
preliminary
plat
would
be
heard
before
the
county
council.
The
following
documents
are
introduced
as
a
matter
of
record
for
the
public
hearing
and
regular
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
commission.
A
The
unified
development
ordinance
of
saint
charles
county,
including
zoning
maps.
The
year
2025
master
plan
for
saint
charles
county,
which
includes
the
year
2025
future
land
use
plan.
Give
you
a
little
road
map
for
tonight.
What
we
do
is
we
read
the
the
rezoning
or
cup
or
zoning
change
into
record.
We
then
ask
the
applicant
to
come
up
and
present
to
us
after
that
we
open
it
up
to
the
public
for
comment
and
before
or
against.
We,
then,
after
that
close,
a
public
comment
portion.
A
We
bring
the
applicant
back
up
to
ask
any
questions
that
either
the
commission
has
or
possibly
that
you
guys
have
had
they
try
to
answer
it.
So
just
kind
of
give
you
an
idea.
If
you're
going
to
speak
tonight,
we
ask
that
you
fill
out
a
speaker
card
and
either
before
or
after
and
hand
that
to
sheila
over
here,
so
we
can
have
a
record
of
it.
So
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
with
the
first
one.
A
It's
rezoning,
15
118.,
it's
a
rezoning
request
for
40
40,
south
old
highway
94..
It
is
our
currently
zoned
r1e
single
family
residential
district.
The
rezoning
request
is
c2
general
commercial
district.
The
applicant
is
daryl
kisker
property
owner
is
lou
ellen
kisker.
The
area
is
currently
1.6
acres
located
on
the
south
side
of
south
on
the
south
side
of
south
old
highway
94
approximately
300
feet
west
of
jungerman
road.
It's
in
council
district,
7
staff.
C
Thank
you,
sorry,
okay,
the
subject
property
and
the
property
to
the
east
is
owned.
Are
we
single-family
residential
and
the
property
to
the
west
is
c2
general
commercial,
district
and
r3b
with
a
pud
plan
unit
development
that
zoning
is
also
found
to
the
south
at
r3b,
with
pud
and
to
the
north
is
incorporated
in
the
city
of
st
city.
St
peters,
surrounding
land
uses
include
single-family
residences
to
the
south,
east
and
west,
and
there's
also
a
day
care
center
to
the
west
and
to
the
north,
north
is
commercial
uses.
C
Additionally,
this
site
has
a
non-conforming
use
of
grading
company
at
the
site
that
it's
a
legal
non-conforming
use.
It
has
been
there
since
before
zoning
was
enacted
in
central
county
in
1959,
and
there
were
a
couple
of
options
that
they
could
do
when
they
were
building
this
building,
and
we
thought
it
was
just
the
the
best
way
to
handle
they.
C
I'm
sorry
they
want
to
build
a
building
to
house
equipment
in
for
their
use
and
since
their
legal
non-conforming
use,
there
are
a
couple
of
avenues
they
could
have
gone
and
they
chose
to
pursue
the
rezoning
to
the
c2
so
that
the
property
meets
with
the
future
land
use
plan
for
that
area.
So
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
zoning
change
from
our.
We
need
to
see
two
and
we
did
have
one
letter
in
opposition
from
elena
williams.
Any
questions
of
staff.
A
B
D
D
A
A
H
A
H
H
H
G
E
G
G
G
G
A
D
The
property
she's
speaking
of
that
is
for
sale
is
not
our
property
that
is
40
50.
right,
old,
highway,
94
south
we're
40
40..
We
have
nothing
to
do
with
that
property
that
is
for
sale
there
and
we
don't
anticipate
selling
any
our
property.
This
has
been
a
family-run
mom-and-pop
type
grading
operation
for
many
years.
I
have
two
sons
in
the
business
also
with
me
today,
so
we
don't
anticipate
any
changes
in
the
operation
at
all.
D
A
A
A
A
J
A
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
one.
It's
a
conditional
use
permit
request
at
3707
veterans,
memorial,
parkway
cup15,
and
it's
dash
1-1.
The
applicant
is
pinuli,
raja
clement
and
the
property
owner
currently
is
bros
heckman
incorporated
the
current
request.
It
uses
an
automobile
sales
and
the
zoning
right
now
is
c2
commercial
district
and
the
area
is
7.8
acres.
The
location
is
on
the
southeast
corner
of
veterans.
Memorial,
parkway
and
arco
drive
it's
in
council's
district
5.
A
C
Thank
you:
okay,
the
subject
site
and
the
property
to
the
eastern
easter,
c2
general
commercial
district.
There's
also,
this
is
a
deep
property
there's
also
r1e
single
family,
residential
and
c2
in
the
city
of
st
charles
to
the
east
of
the
property
to
the
south
is
in
the
city
of
saint
charles
and
its
own.
Darwinis
single-family,
residential
and
to
the
west
is
the
city
of
saint
charleston.
It's
zone,
c2
general
business
district
to
the
north,
of
course
is
interstate
70.
C
C
We
are,
we
are
recommending
approval,
but
our
approval
is
subject
to
oh
yeah.
Sorry,
our
approval
is
subject
to
them
only
using
the
front
portion
of
the
site.
I
don't
know
if
this
one's
any
better
but
there's
located
in
this
area.
There's
a
gate
I
mean
so
the
used
car
sales
would
only
be
in
this
portion
of
the
site.
The
use
in
the
southern
portion
of
the
site
would
remain,
as
is
so.
Steph
is
recommending
approval
of
the
use
of
used
car
sales
at
this
site
and
the
approval
is
subject
to
the
following
conditions.
C
No
work
on
site,
including
paving
additional
gravel
or
parking
vehicles,
shall
be
permitted
until
a
site
plan
is
approved
by
the
saint
charles
county
community
development
department
and
all
proper
permits
are
received.
Customer
and
employee
parking
must
be
provided
and
signed
for
the
public
to
visit
the
site.
In
compliance
with
unified
development,
ordinance
parking
regulations,
no
vehicle
inventory
will
be
permitted
in
those
parking
spaces.
C
Lighting
shall
not
obstruct
or
interfere
with
travel
along
veterans.
Memorial,
parkway
or
cast
upon
any
residential
properties.
Vehicles
displayed
for
sale
shall
be
parked
in
a
manner
that
each
vehicle
is
independently.
Maneuverable
vehicle
sales
shall
be
permitted
on
the
front,
approximately
2.3
acres
of
the
property.
This
area
is
the
front
490
feet
of
the
property,
as
measured
from
the
existing
fence
and
gate
to
the
right-of-way
of
interstate
70
along
the
west
property
line.
The
existing
pole
sign
must
be
removed.
A
new
sign
may
be
installed
that
meets
sign
code
regulations
with
appropriate
permits.
E
C
J
C
J
A
A
K
K
K
The
signage
is
was
grandfathered
in
there
from
back
in
1980s,
and
that's
one
of
the
main
attractions
to
the
site
to
the
property
is
the
nice
signage
and
if
the
city
staff
would
allow
me
to
keep
the
signage,
I
would
like
to
make
it
look
a
lot
nicer
and
better
and
whatever
the
staff
recommends
me
to
do
to
make
the
sign.
Look
nicer
I'll,
be
more
than
happy
to
do
that.
I
K
I
C
C
C
Yeah
and
I
think
they
recently,
we
did
the
reader
board
on
the
sign
and
we
allow
reader
boards,
but
when
a
sign
that
a
sign
on
a
commercial
property
that
advertises
more
than
one
business
can
be
up
to
300
square
feet
in
size.
Otherwise,
if
it's
advertising
one
business
it
has,
it
can
only
be
150
square
feet
in
size
and.
E
L
C
Well,
no,
the
sign
the
sign
would
be
grand
fi.
The
sign
would
be
grandfathered
in,
but
when
we
have
a
conditional
use
permit
like
this,
we
can,
we
can
put
conditions
on
it
and
the
commission
can
remove
conditions.
So
so
I
mean
that
that
was
staff's
preference
to
to
update
the
sign
and
and
bring
it
into
compliance
with
the
regulations.
A
K
It
would
be
at
the
back
of
the
property-
it's
big
enough.
There's
car
dealerships
all
around
me
to
the
left
of
me
is
enterprise
car
sales
to
the
left,
that
is
image.
Car
sales
to
the
right
of
me
is
a
couple
small
dealerships,
and
then
we
got
the
big
auto
center,
st
charles.
So
it's
all
a
car
dealership
strip
and
everybody
unloads
cars
there,
but
I
got
a
big
enough
property
that
the
truck
can
go
at
the
back
of
my
property
and
unload
over
there
without
blocking
any
traffic
whatsoever.
K
Absolutely
no
other
dealership
correct,
no
other
dealership
around.
That
has
the
space
that
I
would
have.
I
have
my
own
driveway,
as
she
pointed
out
and
on
the
map.
That's
just
my
driveway
that
the
trucks
can
come
right
in
there
at
the
back
and
unload
that
wouldn't
block
any
traffic
flow
at
all
whatsoever.
A
A
C
I
don't
think
he
would
be
using
arco
at
all,
because
actually,
his
his
driveway
going
into
his
property
is
larger
than
arco
drive.
Okay,
so
we
don't
have
any
problem
with
that
and
the
state
will
allow
them
to
continue
to
use
that
existing
access,
but
but
it
is
up
to
the
up
to
mo
dot
as
far
as
that
access,
but
I
I
would
be
really
surprised
if
the
state
had
them
do
anything
with
that
access
again.
A
I've
had
calls
from
people
who
have
businesses
down
that
road
and
that's
one
of
their
concerns
is
having
that
traffic
come
out
because
they're
test
driving
vehicles
and
just
running
up
and
down
that
road
to
test
drive
vehicles
and
what
they've
had
is
just
so
you
know
they've
had
a
problem
with
some
of
those
dealerships.
Not
this
one.
I'm
not
saying
that,
but
there's
there's
a
couple.
Other
ones
are
those
used
car
lots?
Oh
there's.
A
A
And
they
do
and
they
have
and
they've
had
police
sit
down
and
then
nobody
uses
it
of
course,
because
they
know
the
police
are
sitting
there.
So
I
don't
know,
is
there
a
conditional
use
we
can
put
on
this?
That
says
they
can't
use
that
road
or
whatever,
or
how
do
you
I
mean?
Can
you
do
any
of
that
kind
of
thing.
E
A
E
C
E
A
A
A
A
C
C
A
K
The
sign
says:
broth
mobile
home
sales
and
I'm
just
going
to
change
it
to
my
name
and
make
it
look
nicer,
redo
the
plating
to
make
it
look
nice
and
presentable,
but
the
signage
was
one
of
the
main
attractions
to
the
place
for
me
and
I
can
make
it
look
a
lot
nicer.
It's
a
little
bit
techie
right
now
the
wording
is
coming
out,
so
I
can
make
it
look
real
nice
and
get
rid
of
all
the
old
wordings
and
make
it
plain
and
simple.
Just
my
name
is
still
in
business.
No.
C
A
I
O
I
was
just
going
to
add
that
there's
there's
an
existing
non-conformity
clause
concerning
signs
in
our
ordinance
and
basically
it
says
that
any
non-conforming
sign
should
be
brought
into
compliance
when
structural
alterations,
damage
repairs
or
routine
maintenance
succeed.
Fifty
percent
of
the
current
fair
market
value
of
the
sign
or
when
the
sign
is
relocated.
Okay,
so,
basically
there's
already
a
standard
in
place
that,
regardless
of
what
might
be
the
conditional
use
permitted,
it
still
have
to
come
into
conformity
if
any
of
those.
O
P
A
A
A
F
You
got
the
memorial
side
of
this
thing
which
doesn't
affect
me
and
you
got
a
really
really
old
picture
there,
so
just
for
clarification
purposes
all
that
those
mobile
homes
are
gone
right
near
the
road
there.
That's
all
vacant
now
and
the
actual
sign
that's
presented
right
now
is
2-4
acres
for
sale.
F
That's
what
it
says
right
now,
so,
just
as
a
side
channel,
I
wonder
if
broth
is
going
to
be
here
tonight
to
back
up
the
applicant
to
see
where
their
where
their
plans
are.
He
says
lease
with
purchase.
Maybe
I
don't
know
what
that
means
tomorrow,
they
re
they
purchased
it
10
years
from
now.
I
don't
know
what
that
means.
He
hasn't
said
anything
about
that.
F
The
other
side
is,
is
we
got
this
letter
and
the
only
reason
I'm
here
is
because
this
thing
says
that
this
letter
goes
out
to
people
that
are
within
500
feet
of
whatever
conditional
thing
you're
trying
to
do.
I
don't
really
understand
all
that,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
is
that
if
I
live
at
the
other
end
of
this
thing-
and
your
letter
says
outlines
this
whole
area
here,
which
used
to
be
broff's
mobile
home
sales.
F
Subsequently,
since
I've
lived,
there
they've
run
in
a
trucking
operation,
which
we
got
that
straightened
out
just
because
they
were
backing
trucks
in
and
out
of
there
all
hours
of
the
night
24
hours
a
day,
disturbing
that
gentleman's
sleep,
my
sleep,
my
wife's
sleep,
we
worked
it
out
with
them
and
said:
hey:
can
you
move
them
up
toward
the
road
so
that
they
can't
be
running
their
operation
all
night
long?
They
took
care
of
that.
F
F
They
got
seven
acres
on
here,
where's
that
other
five
acres.
Well,
let
me
finish
my
question.
Okay,
they
got
seven
acres
on
here,
so
I
don't
know
and
again
you'll
have
to
school
me
because
I'm
not
real
smart,
but
I
don't
know
if
this
is
like
a
foot
in
the
door
and
they're
going
to
open
up
a
used
car
lot,
then
they're
going
to
have
a
repair
place
and
then
oh
whoa
wait
a
minute.
They
want
to
utilize
the
other
part
of
this
designated
area.
F
The
next
thing
you
know
two
three,
four
five
years
from
now
they're
here
trying
to
find
what
park
some
old
cars
coming
closer
to
our
property.
I
don't
know
how
all
that
works.
Is
that
unreasonable?
I'm
sorry
if
it
is,
but
for
just
an
old
timer
that
don't
understand
much.
Does
that
make
any
sense
that
somebody
can
answer
those
questions?
Sure
and
then
one
last
question
is
you
guys
are
talking
about
the
road
there
arco
boulevard.
F
Now
there
is
an
entrance
way
there,
where
they
back
the
mobile
homes
in
and
the
trucking
operation.
That's
going
on
there
right
now
and
then
the
rv
sale
or
our
rv
shopping
and
they've
still
got
some
mobile
homes
there
that
they're
selling.
So
I
guess
ultimately
they're
going
to
get
out
of
sales,
because
they're
going
to
they're
going
to
give
the
sign
to
this
gentleman
to
put
up
a
used
car
lot,
so
they're
not
going
to
advertise
brofs
anymore.
So,
like
I
said,
I'm
just
wondering
a
year
from
now
two
years
from
now
since
profs.
F
Maybe
they
just
want
to
move
to
florida
and
just
give
everything
to
this
gentleman
here,
okay
and
we
got
nothing
to
what
the
future
to
look
at,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
up
here
a
year
from
now,
two
years
from
now
saying:
hey
you
guys,
you
know
they
just
use
this
to
get
get
in
the
front
door,
and
next
thing
you
know,
they're
they
own
seven
acres
and
they're
back
there
parking
junk
cars
by
my
fence.
Okay,
bob
does
that
make
any
sense
or
not.
A
Q
Scott
williams,
3738
bamberry,
I'm
also
the
on
the
homeowners
association
board
for
oxford
crossing
neighborhood,
which
is
the
adjacent
neighborhood
to
the
south
side
of
the
property.
My
question
just
arises:
kind
of
off
of
bob's
is:
is
the
the
lease
with
the
with
the
option
to
purchase
for
the
entire
seven
plus
acres,
or
is
that
just
for
the
front
porch
portion
of
the
property
we?
Q
So
our
back
windows
are
right
right
up
into
the
back
of
that
property
and,
of
course,
we
knew
that
when
we
bought
the
property,
we
knew
what
was
there,
but
any
additional
lighting,
or
anything
that
would
would
come
into
our
our
homes
might
be
an
issue
as
far
as
the
signage
or
anything
in
the
front
of
the
property.
I
certainly
don't
have
any
concern
with
what
they
do
that
front
half,
but
but
all
of
that
vacant-
half
that's
currently
rv
storage.
Q
Any
additional
use
for
that
in
the
future
would
would
be
a
bit
of
a
concern,
and
I
know
I
I
think
I
understand
that
arko
probably
is
this:
isn't
the
place
to
talk
about
this,
but
if
people
are
using
that
for
test
driving,
I
have
a
two-year-old
and
a
six-year-old
to
play
right
behind
there
and
that's
a
concern
for
me
if
there's
going
to
be
additional
traffic
on
that
road
because
of
automobile
usage.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
A
R
For
the
record
carrie
efrig
I
reside
at
3734,
banbury
drive,
that's
the
south
side
of
the
property
that
you're
in
question.
I
just
want
to
kind
of
re-reiterate
and
reaffirm
the
concerns
that
both
scott
and
bob
made
with
concerns
about
future
use
for
the
property.
Whether
or
not
what
this
lease
purchase
is
in
regards
to
scott's
issue.
With
the
lighting,
the
lighting
has
changed
over
the
years
we've
been
there
15
years.
It
used
to
not
be
what
it
is
today.
R
R
However,
if
there
is
some,
I
guess
the
question
is:
is
the
whole
property
in
question,
or
is
it
just
the
front
half
of
that,
and
if
it
is
the
whole
property,
then
then
I
would
like
some
things
to
be
addressed
with
the
lighting
issue,
a
question
I
had
he
I
believe
he
currently
owns
rock
road
automotive.
I
believe,
if
I'm,
when
I
research,
I
don't
know
if
he
still
has
or
not
if
he
does.
R
If
is
this
going
to
be
in
addition
to
that,
or
in
replacement
of
that
you
know,
will
those
clients
be
coming
over
this
way?
I'm
just
curious
from
my
own
sake
and
I
wanted
to
clarify
something
about
the
repair
facility
you
mentioned
something
about.
I
don't
know
if
they're,
if
he's
planning
on
building
a
repair
facility
where
that
would
be,
and
again
I
think
the
whole
lease
purchase
is
that
the
whole
property
or
the
front
of
the
property
sheds
a
lot
of
issues
to
us
being
in
the
back.
R
You
know
being
in
the
back
with
the
trucking
company,
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
y'all
know,
there's
a
trucking
company
running
at
brass
mobile
homes,
but
there
is
so
you
might
want
to
look
into
that,
but
being
in
the
back
of
the
property,
we
tend
to
be
the
funnel
and
we're
the
bottom
of
that
funnel,
and
we
just
have
concern
about
that
in
the
future.
So,
okay.
A
S
S
S
So
the
best
they
can
do
is
actually
catch
them
when
they're
in
the
middle
of
being
at
being
noisy.
The
same
thing
is
the
concern
about
arco
drive
because
you
can't
catch
these
people
driving
60
70
miles
an
hour
and
that's
very
loud
and
again.
Those
are
happening
all
hours
day
and
night,
and
so
when
you
get
up-
and
you
call
them-
those
cars
have
already
sure
have
already
done
what
they're
doing
so.
S
S
A
U
For
the
record
tim
sites,
20
expedition,
trail
court,
so
we're
across
right
across
from
the
where
you
see
yeah.
Okay,
I
just
my
big
question
for
him
is:
what
are
the
plans
for
the
back
end
because
you
said
basically
he
can't
change
that.
But
what
is
the
purpose
of
the
back
part
of
the
property?
And
what
is
he
going
to
do
about
the
lighting?
Okay?
Because
I
think
you
know
like
everybody's
biggest
concern,
but
we
really
haven't
clarified
what
the
back
part
of
the
property
is
going
to
be.
A
V
Anyway,
I
thought
broth
still
on
the
until
just
you
know,
maybe
just
changed
hands
but
like
they've
got
these
great
big
lights
back
there
in
my
home
is
probably
500
foot
from
the
property
from
their
property
and
the
lights
are
so
bright
it
they
have
them
that
bright
in
there.
But
broth
was
good
enough
to
turn
them
down
the
people
at
the
mobile
home
sales
right,
but
the
light's
still
up,
but
broth's
turned
off
a
couple
of
them.
But
you
had
to
shade
your
eyes
in
my
house:
500
foot
away.
A
V
A
A
V
V
V
What
do
you
call
a
privacy
fence,
it's
just
a
chain
link
fence,
and
but
anyway
I
was
just
wondering
about
that,
and
the
water
drainage
at
the
bottom
of
property
runs
across
235
and
245
to
get
going
toward
the
creek
down
there
and
if
they
pave
anything
there,
it's
going
to
make
more
water
run
off.
Okay
right
now,
it's
just
graveled
okay,
and
are
they
going
to
still
have
the
two
entrances
right
there
onto
the
service
road
right
now,
they've
got
arka
drive
and
ross
comes
out.
It's
still
going
to
be.
A
Q
J
F
A
K
K
K
K
K
A
K
J
F
J
A
C
M
A
A
C
A
A
K
K
C
Okay,
all
right,
so
so
an
answer
to
the
public's
question.
We
advertised
the
public
hearing
for
the
entire
parcel,
because
we
didn't
have
a
legal
description
of
the
area
that
he
was
purchasing
at
this
time.
Okay,
and
so
that
is
why
we
put
the
condition
on
that.
It's
the
front,
2.3
acres
that
will
be
used
for
vehicle
sales
and
limited
the
vehicle
sales.
So
if
later
he
wants
to
expand
his
vehicle
sales
to
more
area,
then
we're
gonna
he's
gonna
have
to
come
back
for
a
conditional
use,
permit.
C
V
O
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
jam,
but
the
question
about
lighting
is
really
good,
especially
with
car
sales.
I've
noticed
that
a
lot
of
car
sales
lots
really
like
to,
and
maybe
it's
just
with,
dealers
more,
but
they
just
love
to
light
up
the
lot.
You
know
for
whatever
reason-
and
I
hear
that
comment
a
lot,
but
two
things
I
thought
I
would
tell
you
one
is
that
I
don't
see
any
light
poles
that
I
can
remember
on
the
front
half
of
this
lot.
Maybe
there's
one
or
two
along
that
driveway.
O
Are
limited
to
20
feet
of
height
and
they
also
have
a
limit
of.
I
think
it's
0.5
foot
candles
at
the
property
line
which
I've
been
out
at
night
time
having
to
measure
the
light
before
and
that's
actually
pretty
darn,
strict,
surprisingly
strict,
so
under
the
county's
current
lighting
standards,
if
they
have
to
put
in
any
new
lighting
today.
N
C
I
guess
we
could
have
code
enforcement
investigate
those
those
lights
when
they
went
in
if
they
got
a
permit
for
them.
What
year
they,
the
lighting,
went
in
things
like
that
we
could.
We
could
have
that
checked
on
and
and
enforce
the
lighting
standard
of
the
0.5
foot
candles
at
the
property
lines,
but
we'd
have
to
investigate
when
those
lights
went
in,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
that
we
can
have
neighborhood
preservation.
Look
into
okay,.
A
F
I
I
All
sorts
of
things,
and
sometimes
it
takes
webster
groves
two
meetings
for
the
city
to
approve
the
sign.
Now,
that's
maybe
more
than
you
got,
but
it's
pretty
strict
on
here
when
you
say
that
pole
sign
must
be
removed
if
you'd
say
you're
going
to
alter
it,
to
bring
it
in
compliance
that
you're
going
to
need
a
new
permit
and
and
meet
existing
regulations.
I
I
think
that's
better
said
than
removed
means
tear
that
big
thing
out
of
the
ground.
I
don't
like
it.
I
went
by
there,
but
it's
been
there
for
my
lifetime
that
I
remember
but
altered
in
such
a
way
that
you
can
get
a
new
permit
would
be
a
little
more
gracious
than
saying,
tear
that
one
out
and
put
a
new
one
in.
E
I
C
Well,
if
you
struck
that
condition,
then
if
he
altered
the
sign
more
than
50
percent
of
its
value,
according
the
ordinance
he'd
have
to
come
into
compliance,
so
that
that's
what
would
happen
if
you
just
struck
that
condition
you
don't
you
don't
have
to
condition
it.
Unless
you
want
to
say
if
they,
if
they
alter
25
of
its
value,
then
they
have
to
come
in
compliance,
but
the
ordinance
as
robert
said
reads
50,
so
the
I
think
the
current
ordinance
meets
meets
what
I
think
you're
talking
about,
so
you
could
just
strike
this
condition.
A
A
L
A
A
A
J
A
C
C
C
They
we've
also
created
an
outlet.
There's
an
outlet
a
where
the
existing
houses,
because
the
ordinance
in
the
agricultural
district
allows
you
to
split
off
a
three
acre
piece
around
an
existing
residence,
and
so
that's
what
they're
doing
that's
going
to
be
just
around
the
residence
is
going
to
be
just
over
four
acres
and
then
all
the
other
lots
are
five
acres
in
size.