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Planning and Zoning Commission - October 18, 2017 - St. Charles County Government, MO
A
Welcome
to
the
October
18
2017
planning,
Zoning
Commission
meeting
at
this
time.
I
would
request
that
everyone
please
turn
off
any
Bureau
electronic
devices
and
then
tweest
anthem,
Pledge
of
Allegiance
I,
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
United
States
of
America
and
to
the
Republic
for
which
it
stands.
One
nation
under
God.
A
Applications
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
will
be
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
The
Commission
will
then
make
a
recommendation
on
the
applications
which
will
be
submitted
to
the
st.
Charles
County
Council
for
their
final
decision.
The
individual
items
and
bills
for
this
evenings
applications
are
scheduled
to
be
introduced
at
the
Mait
Monday
November
13
2017
county
council
meeting
applications
for
preliminary
plats
heard
during
tonight's
meeting
will
also
be
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
During
the
meeting,
the
vote
on
pleura
and
Platts
is
final.
A
Only
a
recommendation
for
denial
of
a
plenary
plat
would
be
heard
before
the
County
Council.
The
following
documents
are
introduced
as
a
matter
of
record
for
this
evening's
public
hearing
and
regular
meeting
of
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
the
unit,
the
unified
development
ordinance
of
st.
Charles
County,
including
zoning
maps.
The
year
2025
master
plan
for
st.
Charles
County,
which
includes
the
year
2025
future
Land
Use
Plan
map
can
I
get
a
motion
open
a
meeting
all
in
favor.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
give
a
little
road
map
on
how
the
evening
goes.
What
we
do
is
we
read
the
application
into
the
record.
We
then
ask
staff
for
some
recommendations
on
it
and,
if
there's
anything,
we
need
to
ask
questions
as
we
ask
staff
questions,
we
then
bring
the
applicant
up
and
they
present
their
application
to
us.
We
have
an
opportunity,
ask
questions
of
them
at
that
time.
After
they're
done
presenting
their
application,
we
open
it
up
to
the
public.
You
can
talk
for
or
against
it.
A
I
do
recommend
you
try
to
keep
it
to
three
minutes
so
that
we're
not
here
for
too
long
a
period
of
time
and
if
you're
doing
exactly
the
same
thing,
the
last
person
did.
You
know
you
don't
need
to
come
up
to
if
you
are
going
to
speak,
make
sure
you've
fought
a
speaker's
car
they're
sitting
right
there
on
the
corner
and
give
that
to
our
assistant
over
there
and
after
public
hearing.
We
then
asked
applicant
to
come
back
up
to
answering
those
questions
that
the
public
might
have
had
once
that
portion
is
done.
A
We
bring
it
back
before
the
Commission
and
there's
discussion
about
the
application
and
we
take
a
vote
on
it.
Just
remember
anything
that
happens
tonight
that
will
go
before
a
County
Council
on
again
on
Monday
November,
13
2017,
except
for
preliminary
Platts
unless
or
denied.
So
let's
go
ahead
and
get
the
meeting
started.
A
Do
we
have
any
changes
to
the
agenda
tonight
or
anything
any
changes
to
it?
Meeting
table
okay?
Okay,
it's
start
with
rezoning,
RZ
1711,
it's
a
placate
owners
is
James
Parr
and
urban,
a
par
and
darling
are
par,
revocable
living
trusts.
The
applicant
is
Tom
Park.
Current
zoning
is
a
agricultural
district.
Five
acre
minimum
lot
size
requested.
Zoning
is
our
our
single-family
residential
district,
three
acre
minimum
lot
and
the
area.
Seven
acres.
B
All
right,
this
is
actually
two
properties
that
consist
of
a
total
of
seven
acres
located
on
the
east
side
of
our
Road.
The
current
zoning,
as
you
can
see,
right
now,
is
a
agricultural
with
a
minimum
five
acre
minimum
lot
size.
What
the
applicant
is
asking
for
is
a
rezoning
to
RR,
which
is
the
three
acre
minimum
watt
side
lot
size
in
order
to
divide
the
two
properties,
combine
them
and
divide
them
into
two
minimum.
Three
acre
lot
sizes,
as
you
can
see
from
the
of
2025
masterplan
land
use
designation.
B
This
is
low-density
residential
area,
which
the
RR
would
definitely
fit
into
and
be
accepted
in
the
the
lot
sizes
too,
are
similar
to
surrounding
property
owners,
and
while
they
remain
agricultural,
they
are
primarily
used
for
residential
purposes
in
that
area.
So
with
that
staff
is
recommending
that
this
be
approved,
it
is
consistent
with
the
surrounding
properties
and
is
in
line
with
the
future
use
future
land
use
plan
for
the
area.
B
C
C
A
C
A
A
E
F
G
A
Our
next
application
is
a
rezoning,
RZ
1712,
the
applicant
owner
is
Phillips
Eber
Kemper
and
Karen
umber
Kemper.
The
current
zoning
is
our
one.
A
single-family
residential
district
1
acre
minimum
lot
size
requested
zoning
as
CEO
office
district.
The
area
is
3.10
acres
location
is
on
the
east
side
of
hickory
tree
lane
and
approximately
350
feet
north
west
of
highway
K
adjoining
O'fallon.
It's
in
council
districts,
three
staff.
B
B
The
applicant
is
asking
for
a
rezoning
from
our
1a
2c
Oh,
which
is
office
commercial
office.
Commercial
generally
is
something
like
a
medical
office
or
on
officers
facility
with
less
traffic
than
what
the
land
use
plan
calls
for,
which
is
high
density.
Residential
use
of
that
nature
is
typically
read
between
the
8
hours
of
8:00
to
5:00
and
is
a
much
lower
car
count
and
traffic
count
in
in
that
use.
As
I
noted,
the
land
use
plan
calls
this
to
be
high-density,
residential
and
again
I'm.
B
The
problem
that
staff
has
noted
with
this
property,
which
would
have
to
be
addressed
during
the
site
planning
time,
is
the
access
it
is
via
an
easement.
At
this
time,
the
applicant
has
been
has
been
told
and
explained
that
it
would
have
to.
We
would
have
to
work
basically
with
the
city
of
O'fallon
and
MoDOT
to
come
up
with
a
better
access
point
and
maybe
combine
some
of
these
businesses
together
in
terms
of
their
access
point
onto
highway
K,
so
that
that
is
noted.
B
Robert
has
been
in
touch
with
the
city
of
O'fallon
in
regard
to
this,
and
we
we
have
made
note
of
that
to
the
applicant
with
that
planning
and
zoning
does
recommend
approval
to
the
office
commercial.
While
we're
noting
that
there
is
no
retail
commercial
in
this,
it
is
strictly
an
office
commercial
use.
So
the
staff
is
recommending
approval.
H
F
B
Could
be
and
during
the
site
planning
time,
that
is
where
we
would
address
the
parking.
The
number
of
parking
spaces
that
would
be
required
and
we'd
also
want
to
note,
too,
that
we
would
have
some
separation
of
use
from
the
residential
district.
There
would
be
some
landscaping
and
possible
fencing
requirements.
F
F
B
J
Spoke
with
the
Planning
and
Zoning
director
from
seeing
what
Alan
he
noted
that
in
the
city
hall
Fallon's
plan,
it's
also
noted
their
long-range
plan
for
multifamily
residential,
basically
apartments,
and
he
also
acknowledged
that
office
use.
He
thought
would
be
less
intensive
than
use
than
apartments,
but
we
also
talked
about
the
fact
that
there's
a
could
very
well
be
a
problem
with
access
in
terms
of
just
because
you
get
the
zoning
for
an
office.
Use
doesn't
mean
you
necessarily
can
go
out
and
build
a
commercial
entryway.
Don't
know
if
that
access
easement
is
wide
enough.
J
He
did
note
that
there
there
may
be
another
access
easement
to
this
property
around
Dunkin
Donuts,
but
I
didn't
quite
catch
from
them
in
our
conversation,
exactly
where
that
might
be,
but
we
kind
of
left
it
as
so
I
have
to
work
on
access
questions,
but
there
may
be
more
than
one
point
of
access,
but
there
definitely
a
concern
about
putting
more
traffic
where
it's
going,
where
it's
coming
from.
Okay,.
A
K
A
K
K
It
didn't
go
anywhere.
The
negotiations
fell
apart,
but
at
the
same
time
the
wife
and
I
were
talking
about
it
that
maybe,
if
it
was
zoned
for
a
commercial
office,
and
maybe
if
we
knew
how
much
it
would
cost
the
doctor
expressed
interest
in
knowing
how
much
it
would
cost
to
put
better
road
access
to
it
too.
K
So
we
talked
about
doing
this
rezoning
and
then
I
also
contacted
a
company
about
having
the
B
Road
hickory
tree
Lane,
converted
from
a
single
lane
to
the
double
lane
and
I
got
a
couple,
quotes
on
that
and
so
I
just
thought.
We
just
thought
we
just
be
prepared
in
case
another
doctor
came
along
and
expressed
interest
in
the
property.
How
long
have
you
had
the
property
since
1982?
K
A
L
L
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
Sparrow's
nest
and
we
are
located
just
past
6
7
14
at
the
end
of
that
right,
where
that
little
hand
is-
and
we
are
neither
advocating
for
or
against
this
change,
we
just
simply
wanted
to
provide
additional
information.
We
are
a
team
maternity
home
for
homeless,
pregnant
and
parenting
teen
moms.
So
with
that,
we
love
our
little
haven
right
there
and
we'll
happily
comply
with
anything
that
does
come,
but
we
did
want
you
all
to
know
that
we
are
located
at
the
end
of
this
easement.
Okay,.
A
M
David
Wilson
address
5
Palladio
Park
in
O'fallon,
which
is
one
of
the
residences
adjacent
to
the
the
proposed
rezoning.
Okay,
so
I'm
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
myself
and
also
some
of
the
neighbors
who
are
immediately
adjacent
to
the
property
they
weren't
able
to
attend
their
child
care
and
other
conflicts.
M
So
so
in
general,
the
the
other
neighbors
and
myself
are
are
concerned
about
about
the
proposed
rezoning
so
I'm
here
to
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
proposal.
I
think
you
know
in
this
case
we
feel
like
that.
The
this
kind
of
change
in
use
to
office
you
know,
although
it
would
be
less
intensive
than
something
like
high-density
residential,
which
we
would
also
oppose
this.
M
M
That's
been
there
since
1978
so
to
you,
know
to
come
in
there
and
and
develop
that
property
would
be
a
significant
impact
to
those
those
properties
and
those
neighbors
of
mine
who,
for
the
for
the
past
25
years,
they've
looked
out
their
window
and
seen
forests
and
all
of
a
sudden
they'll
be
looking
into
an
office
building
or
something
else.
There
are
other
permitted
uses,
and
in
the
in
this
particular
zoning
designation
as
well
Co,
it
could
be,
the
offices
could
be
broadcasting.
Space
could
even
be
sewage
treatment.
M
So
there's
there's
a
number
of
potential
uses
that
you
open
up
when
you
make
a
rezoning
like
this,
so
so,
based
on
on
the
potential
impacts
to
to
the
nearby
property
owners,
just
the
the
decrease
in
enjoyment
and
the
properties
that
they
might
have
you
looking
at
into
an
office
building
or
some
other
type
of
facility.
Instead
of
the
way
things
have
been
at
the
rat
in
their
in
their
backyard,
there'd
be
something
different,
could
impact
their
their
enjoyment
and
the
property
values
and
so
I
think
they're
they're
already
answered
questions
about
about
access.
M
As
has
been
noted,
you
know
the
the
private
property
owners
who
use
the
private
access,
Drive
I
think
you
know
or
not
looking
to
see
anything
change
in
this
area.
You
know
one
of
the
owners
is
Marc,
even
though
I've
coordinated
with,
and
he
also
would
like
to
see
things
stay
as
they
are
now
so
I
think
they're.
You
know
there
could
be
conflict.
You
know
some
conflicts.
M
M
B
D
M
A
M
Building,
okay,
yeah,
actually
there's
a
couple,
so
some
more
due
south
there's,
there's
some
office
space
that
that's
existing
there.
So
there
there's
a
like
a
a
psychiatrist
office
and
maybe
a
daycare
center
or
something
like
that.
It's
it's
due
south,
but
this
this
would
really
be
the
first
development.
That's
immediately
adjacent
to
the
homes
and
Monticello
West
are.
M
G
M
That's
that's
a
good
question,
I'm,
really
on
the
opposite
side
from
where
those
are
located.
I
think
there
there
was
a
fence
row
with
trees
that
had
grown
up
and
I
think
that
remained
when
the
Dunkin
Donuts
was
constructed,
which
that
that
wasn't
a
very
drastic
change
in
you.
Since
there
was
already
a
house
there
that
had
been
used
for
office
purposes
for
several
years
being
the
one
at
one
point:
the
offices
of
the
Sparrow's
nest
and
prior
to
that,
maybe
being
the
office
of
a
psychic
or
something
like
that.
M
A
E
A
M
M
Been
against
high
density
residential
but
I'm,
not
someone
who
comes
out
and
campaigns
against
everything
being
built,
yet,
for
instance,
when
I
think
it
was
Bridgewater
communities
came
and
proposed
the
the
twenty
acre
residential
development
back
in
the
same
area
with
with
building
villas.
You
know,
I
was
fine
with
that,
didn't
come
out
to
oppose
it
and
that's
under
construction
now
and
we're.
M
M
Just
maybe
a
question
in
terms
of
access.
You
know
just
interested
if
the
if
the
applicant
has
a
plan
in
terms
of
securing
that
easement
or
providing
access,
I
noticed
that
a
driveway
had
been
constructed
recently
from
Hickory
Tree
Lane
into
the
the
parking
lot
of
the
existing
offices
there
and
so
I
I,
don't
know
what
the
intent
or
the
purpose
of
that
was
I
doubt
it
would
meet
the
county's
requirements
in
terms
of
access
to
this
kind
of
property
being
something
like
15
feet
wide
and
with
about
a
15%
great.
M
A
A
K
K
K
Yeah
yeah
all
right
did
it.
Okay,
so,
and
then
I
actually
spoke
to
mark
few
weeks
ago,
when
he
told
me
about
putting
in
a
little
concrete
connector
there
and-
and
he
had
seen
the
sign
about
the
this
meeting
tonight
and
I-
asked
him
him
what
he
thought
of
it
and
he
says:
well,
you
know
I'd
prefer
things
remain
the
same,
but
he
says
I
know
everything
changes
so
I,
don't
know
if
I'd
consider
mark
against
the
application.
K
D
K
No
I've
got
nobody
when
the
doctor
walked
away
from
from
negotiations,
and-
and
this
was
doing
it
privately
I,
there
was
no
real
estate
broker
involved.
He
just
contacted
me
directly,
but
when
we
talked
about
when
he
walked
away
his
his
comments
where
well
I'd
have
to
have
every
zoned
and
then
I'd
have
to
do
something
about
the
road.
So
I
thought
okay.
Well,
we
waited
a
few
weeks
and
then
I
just
I
contacted
Ellie
more
and
asked
her
some
questions.
K
How
much
trouble
is
it
to
rezone
and
she
told
me
about
filling
out
the
application
online
and
then
I
contacted
a
company
about
how
much
would
it
cost
to
to
put
a
two-lane
road
from
highway
K
back
to
the
property,
the
the
easement
by
the
way
is
50
feet,
so
there's
room
for
a
two
lane.
Access
and
so
I've
got
a
copy
of
a
quote
from
a
company
to
put
in
a
two
lane
road,
so
I've
got
I
was
thinking
if
I
could
just
I.
K
K
E
K
Just
wait
for
somebody
to
come
along.
Okay,
so
I
mean
I
did
reach
out
here
two
years
ago,
three
years
ago
to
the
gentleman
who
was
putting
in
the
Dilla's
back
to
the
back
of
that
Bridgewater
communities
I
reached
out
to
him
to
see
if
he'd
be
interested
in
incorporating
our
three
acres
with
the
20
acres
that
he
was
developing
back
there
and
he
never
responded.
Okay,
you.
K
F
B
A
F
That,
for
me,
I
said:
I
can
see
pluses
and
minuses.
I
think
that
it
is
definitely
a
change
in
in
use
and
while
you
could
have
something
higher
density,
the
with
the
exception
of
the
property
to
the
to
the
east
I
guess
it
is
southeast,
it's
all
residential
and
having
a
commercial
use
back
there,
even
if
it
was
less
or
uses.
Definitely
a
change
in
a
substantial
change
in
use
of
the
property.
So
I've
got
reservations
about
it.
My.
D
F
D
Questions
usually
when
a
project
comes
before
we
have
a
specific
use
or
a
developer,
that's
coming
in
and
going
out
with
fishing
and
just
changing
zoning
for
John's
sake,
and
then
who
knows
what's
coming
down
the
road
I
I,
don't
personally
go
along
with
that,
so
I'm
gonna
be
a
negative
vote
on
this.
Okay.
I
Yeah
so
close
together,
that's
that's
the
number
one
complaint
that
that
we
get
when
the
council
level
is
the
conflicts
that
happened
between
I
share
the
the
reservations
with
not
knowing
what's
woods,
exactly
what's
gonna
happen
there
and
how
the
site
plan
will
work
out
I'm
currently
down
against
it
myself.
So.
A
C
I
A
Six:
three:
six,
so
that
failed,
it
will
go.
You
do
have
an
opportunity
to
bring
it
before
the
county
council.
They
can
override
our
denial
on
this,
so
you
still
have
a
chance
at
the
May
17th
I
think
it
was
County
Council
meeting.
Then
I
want
to
talk
to
mr.
clay
hammer
when
you
get
a
chance
to
if
you're
sticking
around
today.
So
you
can
see
what
some
of
the
concerns
were
Phillip.
A
They
really
want
to
see
something
up
here,
more
what
you're
putting
in
so
that
we
have
a
better
idea
that
just
changing
the
zoning
on
it
I
know.
But
when
you
change
the
zoning
we
want
to
see
if
there's
something
gonna
go
and
that's
all
that's
what
their
concerns
are.
So
thanks
all
right:
let's
do
the
next
one.
A
Okay,
conditional
use,
permit
applications
will
be
heard
tonight
and
once
the
Commission
makes
a
recommendation,
the
application
will
be
scheduled
to
be
introduced
at
the
Monday
November
13
2017
county
council
meeting
public
comment
will
be
taken
tonight
and
the
council
meet,
and
at
the
council
meeting
on
Monday
November
17th
2013
public
comment
on
the
applications
will
not
be
taken
at
any
meeting
of
the
County
Council
held
thereafter.
So
it
only
happens.
A
One
time
All
Right
see
you
peace
17-1,
three
owners
are
Shannon,
L,
Hines
and
Fallon
Hines
applicant
is
deanna
Hines
use
requested
as
a
nursery
wholesale.
In
both
storage,
the
property
zoning
is
a
agricultural
district
and
the
area
six
acres,
its
location
is
on
the
west
side
of
Hopewell
Road,
approximately
1,700
feet
northeast
of
terrorists,
Lane
Lee
Lane
near
O'fallon,
and
it's
in
Council
District,
two
staff.
J
Thank
you.
The
Hinds
are
applying
for
a
conditional
use
permit
for
retail
nursery
and
vote
storage
and
I
would
note
that
in
in
2010
the
same
applicants
applied
for
and
received
this
exact
same
conditional
use
permit
in
2012.
They
came
back
and
asked
for
an
extension,
but
for
whatever
reason,
the
use
was
not
established
in
place
before
the
conditioner
used.
J
Permit
expired,
and
so
the
applicants
are
coming
before
you
again
to
request
the
retail
nursery
and
both
storage
and
you'll
note
that
in
your
packet
there
is
an
actual
site
plan
at
the
applied
for
following
approval.
The
conditional
use
permit
had
approved
by
the
county.
We
even
have
in
place
an
easement
for
stormwater
for
there's
a
an
area
up
front
where
water
running
off
of
these
two
properties
for
the
boat
storage
in
the
nursery
would
go
into
an
area
for
a
rain
garden,
so
they're
really
pretty
much
set
up
for
this
particular
use.
J
And
what
they're
asking
for
is
for
a
renewal
of
the
permit
that
was
approved
before
in
your
staff
report.
The
staff
report
contains
the
criteria
that
you
already
use
for
conditional
use
permits
and
I'll
just
quickly
characterize
them
for
the
benefit
of
commission
the
audience,
but
it
asked
the
questions:
will
the
use
be
detrimental
to
or
endanger
public
health
safety
and
general
welfare?
Well,
the
conditional
use
be
injurious
to
the
use
enjoyment
of
other
property
in
the
media
vicinity.
A
N
Basically,
we
whatever
reason
thought
we
had
everything
in
order.
You
know
and
had
our
permit
after
we
established
that
rain
garden,
which
was
pretty
expensive
as
far
as
what
had
to
go
into
it
to
be
up
to
code,
essentially
got
all
that
done
and
thought
thought
we
were
okay
and
we
weren't
they
had
already
given
us
permission.
To
put
you
know,
land
blocks
for
our
mulch
and
did
very
said:
there's
things
we
just
hadn't
had
any
plants
in
there.
Yet
you
know
we
weren't
open
for
business
either.
So
once.
A
H
A
N
Only
only
reservations
we
have
about
the
proposal
is
the
requirement
of
paved
asphalt,
I
assume
going
into
the
property
and
the
parking
spaces.
We
would
like
to
see
maybe
some
recycled
asphalt,
which
is
a
lot
cheaper
and
will
not
let
vegetation
grow
up
either.
It's
some
of
the
other.
My
neighbor
has
the
same
thing
that
has
a
conditional
use
permit,
similar
to
what
I,
what
I'm
applying
for.
N
H
N
G
N
Actually
got
busy
with
our
other
other
companies
and
just
kind
of
you
know
lost
track,
I
guess,
as
far
as
time
and
I
predicted
we
this
spring,
we
started
planning.
We
have
plant
the
plants
and
built
the
built,
a
landscape
things
that
was
on
our
site
plan
that
I
wasn't
aware,
aware
of,
but
we've
done
that
and
some
other
various
things.
The
only
thing
we
don't
have
is
deep
actual
parking
area
and
with
stripes
lined
out
at
the
moment
our.
H
H
I
I
J
G
J
E
A
A
G
G
D
G
A
Okay,
our
last
application
9
is
Plummer
native
plat
17-1
0.
As
a
resub
Division
of
Callaway
Valley
lot,
13
575
Callaway,
Ridge
Drive,
the
applicant
owner
is
nut-free
Creek
LLC
surveyors
topo
surveying
corporation
the
property.
Zoning
is
a
agricultural,
and
the
area
is
twelve
point,
one
three,
six
acres,
a
number
of
lots
of
is
two
location
on
the
north
side
of
intersection
of
Callaway
Lake,
Drive
and
can'twe
Ridge
Drive,
and
it's
in
Council
District
yeah.
Do
we
need
me
staff
on
this?
You
just
want
to
bring
quietly
just
bring
the
applicant
up.
A
O
A
F
O
Yeah
I
know:
there's
concern
about
the
50-foot
setback
line
on
lot
a
and
the
subdiv
I
would
love
to
do
a
50-foot
setback
line,
but
the
subdivision
requires
150
feet
on
calorie-rich
Drive,
so
I've
found
in
my
experiences
not
to
argue
with
neighbors
who
I
want
to
be
neighbors
and
I'm.
Okay
with
it
I,
don't
believe
we'll
have
to
cut
down
any
trees.
In
my
opinion,
at
all,
that's
not
my
goal
right
for
that
house
that
we're
gonna
build
how.