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From YouTube: Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting - May 16, 2018 - St. Charles County Government, MO
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Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting - May 16, 2018 - St. Charles County Government, MO
A
A
Conditional
use
permit
applications
heard
during
tonight's
meeting.
We
will
be
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
The
Commissioner
will
then
make
a
recommendation
on
the
applications
which
will
be
submitted
to
the
st.
Charles
County
Council
for
their
final
decision.
These
applications
will
be
scheduled
for
introduction
at
the
Monday
May
14th
2018
county
council
meeting
public
comment
regarding
conditional
use.
Permit
applications
will
be
taken
both
tonight
and
at
the
council
meeting
on
Monday
May
14th
2018
public
comment
on
these
applications
will
not
be
taken
at
any
meeting
of
the
County
Council
held
thereafter.
A
Okay,
let
me
start
over
conditional
use,
permit
applications
heard
during
tonight's
meeting.
We
voted
on
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission.
The
Commission
will
then
make
a
recommendation
on
the
applications
which
we
submitted
to
the
st.
Charles
County
Council
for
their
final
decision.
These
applications
will
be
scheduled
for
introduction
at
the
May
June
11th
2018
county
council
meeting
public
comment
regarding
conditional
use.
A
Applications
will
be
taken
both
tonight
and
at
the
county
council
meeting
on
June
Monday
June
11th
2018
public
comment
on
these
applications
will
not
be
taken
at
any
meeting
of
the
County
Council
he'll
thereafter.
The
following
documents
are
introduced
as
a
matter
of
record
for
the
evenings,
public
hearing
and
regular
meeting
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
unified
development,
ordinance
of
st.
Charles
County,
including
zoning
maps.
The
year
2025
master
plan
for
st.
Charles
County,
which
includes
the
year
2025
future
Land
Use
Plan
map
I,
see
we
have
a
quorum.
A
Those
in
favor
say
aye
on
tonight's
agenda.
We
have
a
rezoning
request
and
preliminary
plat
for
Shadow
Pines
1112
Bryan
Road,
a
public
hearing
for
a
conditional
use
permit
at
3707,
Veterans
Memorial
Parkway
and
a
conditional
use
permit
request
at
3695,
highway,
D
and
3703
highway
D
on
the
agenda.
That
was
posted
item
number
11
closed
meeting
session.
A
That
there's
snow
will
be
no
closed
meeting
session
this
evening.
Okay,
first
up
is
a
rezoning
request
and
preliminary
plat
for
said
apply
of
Shadow
Pines
located
1112
Bryan
Road.
The
application
are
z18
hole.
Six
in
p,
re
18,
L,
three
owners,
Hillman
Bryan,
Road,
LLC
developers
and
cone
construction
engineers
vaults
in
rated
current
zoning
is
r1b
single-family
residential
district
20,000
square
foot.
Minimum
lot
size
requested
zoning
r3
a
medium
distance
density.
F
F
Originally
they
suggested
r2,
because
these
are
attached
homes.
However,
when
we
reviewed
the
plat,
we
found
that
this
setback
could
not
be
met,
which
requires
a
25-foot
setback
on
each
parcel.
There
are
individual
Lots
on
this
preliminary
plot
and
the
r3
a
zoning
allows
a
developer
to
cluster
the
homes
and
still
meet
the
25
setback
from
the
overall
development.
F
So
consequently
we
recommended
that
the
change
be
made
to
our
3a
the
important
thing
with
this
plat,
though
it
is
still
a
low-density
residential
development,
with
with
the
low
density
residential,
allowing
up
to
four
units
per
acre
that
would
have
allowed
up
to
23
units.
However,
the
developer
is
proposing
14,
Lots
and
14
attached
homes
on
those
Lots,
approximately
one
half
of
the
plat.
If
you
look
at
that,
is
still
going
to
remain
common
ground
with
walking
trail.
F
There
is
some
wetlands
in
that
area,
so
it
remain
no
use
down
there
and
just
for
the
for
the
property
owners
to
use
the
the
growth
area
in
that
in
that
area
it
is
close
to
interstate
70.
So
again
the
r3
a
development
fits
in
with
this
area
and
with
that
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
rezoning
with
the
plat.
F
If
you've
noticed
in
the
updated
agenda
packet,
there
is
a
variance
request,
because
the
proposed
street
for
this
subdivision
shadow
Pines
is
the
proposed
name,
is
located
within
300
feet
of
I,
believe
it's
Pascal
or
to
the
south
of
this
subdivision.
There
is
no
other
location
that
they
can
place
the
entrance,
and
this
is
the
farthest
that
they
can
place
place
the
interest,
but
consequently
they
do
have
to
ask
for
that.
Variance
with
that
variance
request.
The
plat
and
the
rezoning
both
would
go
to
County
Council
for
a
vote.
G
Perfect
to
fold
that
Alf
Allen's
been
very
aggressive
in
annexing
different
property
as
well
as
Wentzville
I'm,
just
curious
all
the
area
around.
It
is
Alf
Allen
and,
as
you
indicated
it's
in
there
city
of
Fallon's
development
plant,
why
didn't
they
an
excess
property
or
did
they
try
and
not
succeed
or
just
curious?
Well.
F
I
would
feel
that
the
applicant
can
probably
explain
this
better,
but
there
was
a
a
first
attempt
with
the
city
of
O'fallon.
It
didn't
really
have
so
much
to
do
with
this
particular
parcel,
but
it
had
more
to
do
with
an
another
parcel
that
was
added
on
to
this
that
caused
it
to
be
voted
down.
So
it
stayed
within
the
unincorporated
County
I'm
sure
they
can
answer
more
questions
about
about
that
situation.
H
It's
more
than
200,
but
obviously
less
than
300
I
can
get
you.
The
exact
exact
number
I
can
tell
you.
I've
spoken
several
times
with
the
development
Review
staff,
including
two
engineers
and
one
of
our
engineers
for
newer
engineers
just
previously
worked
for
MoDOT
as
an
engineer
looking
at
things
exactly
like
this,
and
they
both
said
that
they
have
no
problem
with
this
request
and
that
the
placement
of
this
road
is
in
the
exactly
the
right
spot
for
what
they
have
to
work
with
in
that
the.
B
I
I
J
F
K
K
Name
is
Drew
Weber
with
the
Hamilton
Weber
law
firm.
My
address
is
200
North
3rd
Street
here
in
st.
Charles,
6th
3301
and
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
and
Cobb
construction.
Excuse
me
and
I
have
a
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
of
your
time.
I
have
a
short
presentation
for
you,
as
staff
said
in
Cobb,
Construction
is
proposing
to
rezone
this
property
to
our
3a
and
to
have
a
preliminary
plat
approval
for
14
townhomes
on
this
property.
The
subdivision
will
be
known
as
shadow
pines
and
I
have
some
pictures.
K
Some
aerials
in
the
plat
can
kind
of
show
you
to
give
you
a
good
idea
of
why
there
won't
be
23
units
on
this
parcel.
In
a
nutshell,
the
reason
is
the
eastern
half
of
the
partial
is
not
easily
usable
to
construct
houses
on
because
of
existing
creeks
there's
actually,
two
creeks
that
converge
near
the
property
and
just
elevation
changes.
So
the
western
portion
of
the
property
is
where
the
townhomes
will
be
located.
Then
the
eastern
portion
will
be
common
ground,
some
walkways
and
park
area
as
well
as
I.
Think.
K
A
lot
of
people
know
townhome
developments
and
duplexes
are
becoming
more
popular,
there's
a
desire
among
people,
especially
those
of
the
baby
boomer
generation
to
downsize,
but
still
have
independent
living
and
to
have
enough
living
area
to
be
happy,
but
not
have
3,000
square
feet
and
a
half
acre
long
to
take
care
of.
So
we
think
this
will
meet
that
growing
need
in
this
area.
Shadow
pines
is
in
a
convenient
location.
K
So
here's
here's
an
aerial
of
where
the
property
is
located
and
so
I
want
to
call
your
attention
to
a
few
things.
This
is
a
predominantly
residential
area,
as
you
can
see
to
the
south
there's
some
manufactured
in
mobile
homes
to
the
northeast
and
northwest.
There
are
some
single-family
residences.
If
you
go
a
little
farther
north
there's
some
apartment
complexes
and
then
kind
of
to
the
Northeast
and
directly
east
of
the
excuse
me
to
the
northwest
and
directly
west
of
the
parcel
there's
some
light
commercial.
K
There
is
an
existing
building
on
the
property
that
will
be
demolished
and
there's
a
driveway
that
already
exists
that
provides
access
from
Bryan
Road
to
this
property.
The
driveway
is
in
approximately
the
same
location
that
the
main
road
shadow,
Valley
Court,
would
be
on
this
property,
and
you
can
also
see
that
this
is
a
pretty
heavily
wooded
property,
especially
over
the
eastern
portion
and
after
the
development
of
Chateau
Pines,
there
will
still
be
approximately
60%
of
the
existing
trees
will
remain,
and
again,
mostly
in
that
eastern
area.
K
K
Here's
a
color
version
of
the
preliminary
plat
with
respect
to
the
variance
that
staff
talked
about
the
design
criteria
for
street
construction
adopted
by
st.
Charles
County
requires
that
there
be
300
feet
between
two
residential
streets
that
abut
a
collector,
Street
and
so
Pascal
Court
is
directly
south
of
this
property
and
there
is
approximately
240
feet
between
the
northernmost
point
of
pascale
court
and
what
would
be
the
southernmost
point
of
shadow
valley,
corn
and,
as
you
can
see
on
this
plat,
we
can't
move
shadow
valley
court
any
farther
to
the
north.
K
K
There
is
a
detention
area,
that's
to
the
east
of
those
townhomes,
and
then
there
would
be
a
sidewalk,
a
long
shadow
valley
court
that
then
connects
to
an
asphalt
parkway
that
will
take
you
across
the
creek
up
to
a
little
park
area,
and
then
there
will
be
mulch
trails
that
go
back
through
the
woods
in
that
area.
All
of
that
will
be
maintained
by
the
homeowners
association
of
that
community
as
well.
The
outdoor
maintenance
and
lawn
maintenance
and
those
kind
of
things
for
this
community.
K
This
is
neg
served
from
the
plat
show
in
the
typical
Lots.
The
minimum
square
footage
that
we'll
have
in
this
development
will
be
five
thousand
square
feet,
which
is
more
than
what
the
code
requires.
The
Lots
are
40
feet
wide,
there's
a
20
foot,
front
yard
setback
and
the
rear
of
the
buildings
is
meets.
The
25
foot,
rear
yard
setback
requirement,
because
these
are
duplexes
there's.
Obviously,
a
zero
lot
line.
K
These
are
the
tentative
concepts
for
the
homes
again.
These
are
very
tentative,
so
I'm
not
sure
that
the
applicant
is
going
to
construct
exactly
these
or
something
similar.
But
this
is
the
basic
concept,
so
we're
not
talking
to
3,000
square
foot
buildings
because
again
the
idea
is
for
people
who
are
looking
into
downsizing
but
still
living
independently
and
likely
to
car
garages.
So
this
will
be
a
nice
community
that
would
be
again
convenient
and
attractive
community.
K
So
we
ask
that
planning.
Zoning
Commission
recommend
approval
to
the
Board
of
Aldermen
dirt
to
the
County,
Council,
sorry
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
I
also
brought
Dave
rolls
with
volts
engineer
and
his
engineer
on
the
project,
and
so
he
can
answer
engineering
questions,
probably
better
than
that
game.
Yeah.
G
K
Let
me
take
you
back
to
the
aerial
picture
and
that'll
kind
of
help.
Explain
this
a
little
bit.
So
there
was
a
proposal
to
annex
into
O'fallon
and
if
you
can
see
what
I'll
call
the
central
there's
a
little
central
parcel
above
the
one-one-one
to
Brian
Road
parcel,
and
so
that
is
currently
in
the
city
of
O'fallon,
and
so
an
cobb
construction
was
going
to
buy
this
one
one
one
two
Brian
Road
and
then
that
parcel
and
the
rezone,
both
of
them
to
this
type
of
zoning
in
the
Nanak's.
This
portion
into
the
city.
K
Well,
the
city
of
O'fallon
has
a
policy
that
they
do
not
want
to
zone
away
any
of
their
commercial
property
and
so
that
north
central
portion
is
currently
zoned
commercial,
and
so
the
city
was
unwilling
to
Zone
that
to
residential.
So
because
of
that,
the
city
denied
the
rezoning
and
then
the
apple
can
drop
that
northern
parcel
off
of
this,
and
is
now
just
proceeding
with
this
parcel.
Okay.
K
G
B
A
B
L
Well,
the
street,
is
you
go
down?
It's
obviously
gonna
go
down
later,
but
we're
gonna
go
down
at
about
a
7%
and
then
and
then
it'll
flatten
out
as
you
get
down
to
the
bottom.
But
we
have
done
a
street
profile
of
it
and
and
I
think
it's
by
round
of
7%.
Did
you
go
down
and
there'll
be
a
there'll,
be
a
vertical
curve
there.
So
when
you
come
off
a
Brian,
Road
it'll
it'll
gradually
convert
into
the
70%
so
but.
L
I,
don't
think
so,
I
think
I
think
the
site
we
have
done
a
balance
on
it
yet,
but
I'm
hoping
that
the
site
balances,
because
we
do
have
areas
that
we're
gonna
be
taking
dirt
out
of
the
detention
basin,
an
area
to
the
west
or
to
the
north,
but
I'm,
hoping
that
the
site
balances,
and
it
usually
sites
like
this
too,
that
are
that
are
villa
type
sites.
You
end
out
with
a
lot
of
dirt
coming
out
of
the
foundation
gas
wells,
okay,
okay,.
M
E
K
E
The
what
kind
of
separation
I
mean
that'll
be
on
obviously
on
the
other
side
of
the
road,
but
and
they
get
a
strip
of
common
ground
shown
there.
Is
that
vegetated
now
or
what
are
there
trees
there?
Is
there
berm
there?
What's?
My
concern
is
always
the
separation
between
residential
and
commercial
I
mean
that
that's
always
where
we,
especially
on
the
council
level,
where
we
get.
We
tend
to
get
conflict
so.
K
L
Right
so
so
from
the
north
property
line
to
the
right-of-way.
That's
about
a
30
foot
strip
and
from
the
north
property
line
to
the
front
of
those
units
is
about
a
hundred
feet.
So
you
have
30
feet
to
the
to
the
right-of-way
and
then
have
the
obviously
the
50-foot
right-of-way
and
then
the
20-foot
front
yard
setback.
So
you
end
out
with
about
a
100
feet
from.
L
E
L
That
previously-
and
we
didn't
draw
it
on
this
plane,
but
previously
we
had
a
fence,
but
between
the
convert
between
the
two
sites,
a
sight,
proof,
fence
and
I
can
tell
you
we're
most
likely
gonna.
Do
that,
maybe
not
all
the
way
to
the
East
property
line,
because
as
soon
as
you
get
to
the
creek
you
know,
then
it's
then
it
would
be
not
necessary,
but
I'm
sure
we
could
put
a
fence
there
along
that
North
Robert.
E
H
The
requirements
for
the
buffer
separation
that
that
you're,
referring
to
the
obligation,
if
this
were
in
the
county,
the
obligation
would
be
on
the
commercial
property
to
put
in
that
buffer
when
they
develop
it
commercial
right
now.
If
they
choose
to
do
this
on
the
residential
property,
they'd
be
free
to
do
so,
and
they
could
show
it,
for
instance,
on
the
free.
H
E
A
L
That
actually
had
letters,
not
real,
clear
and
I,
actually
called
the
doctor
to
clarify
that
previously
he's.
What
he's
basically
saying
there
is
either
that
cul-de-sac
in
order
for
service
to
be
provided
up
the
street,
that
cul-de-sac
would
have
to
meet
that
requirement
for
bus
turnaround,
but
he's
okay
with
actually
the
kids
walking
down
and
being
picked
up
in
Bryan
Road.
L
So,
basically,
what
that
letter
is
saying
is,
if
you
want
him,
if
you
want
the
bus
to
come
down
that
Street,
then
it
would
have
to
be
a
larger
radius,
since
it's
not
a
larger
radius
he's
actually,
okay
with
the
in
fact,
I
Drive
that
Street
all
the
time
and
that's
where
the
kids
are
picked
up
now
along
it
along
Bryan
Road.
So
what.
L
M
A
L
Wanted
to
actually
address
the
the
creeks
that
are
to
the
east
as
well.
If
you
wanted
me
to
because
I
know
that
that's
a
concern
and
it
previously
they'd
met
with
some
of
the
residents
in
there,
and
that
was
a
concern
of
the
because
I
know
that
that
Creek
has
water.
It's
not
FEMA
flood
plain,
but
it
is
a
creek,
so
it
so
it
doesn't
have
water
in
it
does
rise.
So
we
do
have
a
detention
basin
there
in
that
detention
basin,
this
size,
obviously
to
handle
large
storms
and
small
storms.
L
L
A
lot
I
mean
that
falls
down
quite
a
bit
between
there
in
the
creek.
So
that-
and
we
are,
we
have
the
25
foot
setback
from
the
top
Bank
of
the
creek
as
well
so,
and
the
detention
basins
not
in
the
floodplain
is
well
in
fact
it's
not
FEMA
flood
plain,
but
the
detention
basin
is
still
above.
The
floodplain
of
the
creek
yeah
so
and
I
know
that
that
was
a
concern
previously.
So
I
just
wanted
to
address
it.
L
A
N
A
N
Name:
Robert
lawmen
dear
I,
live
at
number
four
of
pet
Ronnie
Lane,
which,
yes,
it
doesn't
quite
water,
his
land
on
the
north
side,
it
borders
a
commercial
land
that
this.d
XEOMIN
been
talking
about
and
I,
don't
know
where
does
hundred
feet?
Is
that
he's
talking
about
between
the
commercial
land
and
this
land?
N
But
my
biggest
concern
is
the
surge
when
they
first
put
the
sirs
in
it
would
back
up
into
my
house
until
they
put
a
check
valve
in
it,
which
now
don't
back
up
in
the
house,
but
when
it
rains
your
heart
and
the
check
valve
closes.
I
can't
use
my
sir,
but
that's
neither
here
nor
there,
but
with
this
property
just
driveway
or
that
road
they're.
N
Talking
about
that
inclines
like
that
and
I
like
to
see
these
gentlemen
get
out
on
that
road
at
7:30
in
the
morning
or
like
4:30
and
evening,
it's
almost
impossible
to
get
on
the
Bryan
Road,
and
this
is
just
gonna-
make
it
worse,
but
I
mean
that's
neither
here
nor
there,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
more
study
done
on
that
road.
Coming
up
on.
You
know
Brian
Road,
especially
the
angle.
He
said
it's
like
7%,
but
I.
N
Think
it's
more
like
45%
angle,
but
so,
but
that's
just
something
should
be
taken
into
consideration
and
a
rich
little
falen,
like
you
said,
was
put
another
I
think
they
had
23
units
going
into
this
on
that
they
had
another
eight
or
nine
units
going
on
the
north
side
of
this
road
that
they
got
in
here
that
he
got
up
there
but
I
guess
they
didn't
want
to
take
this
flight.
That's
commercial
and
put
other
houses
of
whatever
was
on
it.
So
that's
the
reason
they
knock
that
out.
N
N
That's
gonna
come
up
and
not
on
the
Brian
Road,
because
it's
almost
impossible
to
get
our
Road
comes
on
the
Brian
Road
and
it's
flat
and
it's
right
across
from
I
think
it's
a
brine
Valley
and
you
know
it's
just
to
the
north
of
this
project
and
it's
almost
impossible
to
get
out
on
the
brine
Road.
You
know
at
the
peak
rush
hour
so
but
anyway,
that's
just
food
for
thought.
Thank.
N
A
O
The
record
please,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
chairman
members
of
the
Commission,
my
name
is
Arne
ACG
Knopf
public
advocate
and
resident.
My
mailing
address
is
PL
Box
1535
Oh
falling.
This
was
very
controversial
and
very
brought
up
a
lot
of
issues
at
the
O'fallon
City
Council
I
thought
this
issue
and
defeated
the
rezoning
of
the
commercial
portion
along
Bryan
Road,
because
it's
you
rain
commercial.
We
need
to
have
a
balance
in
our
county
and
the
city
will
following
we
need
of
a
balance
of
commercial
to
pay
for
residential.
O
It
costs
approximately
with
water
sewer,
traffic,
road
maintenance,
concrete
slabs
drainage,
other
utilities
that
the
city
offers
it's
about.
Ten
thousand
dollars
for
every
10,000
feet
so
to
put
all
residential
and
not
have
the
commercial
along
I,
don't
know
if
somebody
can
bring
back
up
the
map
if
they
came
in
the
back,
but
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
I'm
highly
opposed
to
the
rezoning
of
the
Bryant
Road
portion.
If
that's
part
of
this
or
not,
it
was
kind
of
unclear
on
the
staff
report,
the
frontage
along
Bryant
Road
shall
remain
commercial
c2.
O
Originally,
a
few
months
ago,
this
was
approved
as
an
annexation
to
the
city
of
O'fallon.
It
was
approved
by
the
O'fallon
City
Council,
and
then
the
proponents
Hillman
development
asked
her
to
be
D
annexed,
so
the
City
Council,
approximately
two
or
three
weeks
ago,
rescinded
their
ordinance
and
it
reverted
back
to
unincorporated
portion.
O
We
had
to
have
smart
and
responsible
growth
I'm
going
to
recommend
to
the
O'fallon
City
Council
in
compliance
with
state
statute,
that
they
pass
a
resolution
to
oppose
this
rezoning
and
ask
that
a
supermajority
approval
be
approved
by
the
County
Council,
which
is
in
the
state
regulations
and
state
statute,
which
would
be
rezoning
within
1
mile
of
a
municipal
border.
The
owners
of
Turtle
Creek
development
appeared
before
the
planning
zoning
in
the
O'fallon
City
Council,
and
they
wanted
to
see
a
pence
at
the
end
of
the
the
roadway.
The
map
still
is
not
up.
O
H
O
Hopefully
the
map
will
come
up,
but
the
Turtle
Creek
developer
wants
to
see
a
fence
at
the
end
of
the
proper
at
the
end
of
the
road
way
to
prevent
trespassing
to
use
the
golf
course
at
Turtle
Creek
and
also
there's
the
one
assurances
that
there's
ponds
and
there's
a
liability.
The
kids
or
grandchildren
may
live
in
these
development
and
might
have
access
to
the
ponds
for
liability
issues
and
to
prevent
drowning
issues
not
being
supervised
by
adults.
D
O
Tall
but
the
portion
along
Bryan
Road,
which
would
be
to
the
west,
is
what
I'm
opposed
to
I
think
that
that's
remain
commercial
and
then
the
part
over
here
would
be
Turtle,
Creek,
Golf,
Course
and
there's
a
pond
right
in
this
area.
I
believe
and
the
developers
appeared
before
the
Ohio,
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
in
the
last
two
months,
and
also
the
O'fallon
City
Council
wanting
an
offense
to
prohibit
any
of
the
property
owners
from
accessing
the
golf
course
and
having
access
to
the
water
features.
N
O
And
then
also,
what
is
of
concern
is
the
city
of
a
family.
Requirements
are
quite
different
from
the
counties
and
I
think
state
statute,
and
mr.
Hazelwood
could
speak
to
that.
But
when
you
abut
a
municipality
I
believe
the
developer
is
required,
especially
with
the
buffer
areas
and
the
buffer
setback.
Requirements
would
be
obligated
to
meet
both
the
city
in
the
county
regulations
and
then
also
I
wanted
to
talk
about
the
school
district.
O
It
came
up
and
from
the
O'fallon
Fire
Protection
District,
which
also
wasn't
discussed,
I,
believe
the
Chairman
brought
it
up,
but
I
believe
there
was
a
letter
from
dr.
dabree
that
they
were
opposing
the
radius
because
they
weren't
building
it
big
enough
to
adequately
turn
around
a
bus
within
that
cul-de-sac,
radius
and
I
believe
the
fire
chief
mr.
vineyard
chief
vineyard
also
opposed
this
development
because
their
fire
apparatus,
including
the
ladder
truck
which
would
come
from
station
4
located
across
on
Bryant
Road,
wouldn't
have
ample
opportunity
to
turn
around
in
the
cul-de-sac.
O
And
that
was
a
concern
and
then
the
other
thing
is
the
buffer
issues
between
commercial
and
residential.
If
I
read
the
state
law
correctly,
you
with
your
counsel,
mr.
Hazelwood
but
I,
believe
the
developer
be
required
to
meet
landscaping
buffer
requirements
and
setbacks
of
both
the
city
in
the
county.
So
I'm,
sorry,
I
didn't
come
no
falen.
It
was
d
annexed,
but
I
stole
him
highly
opposed
to
the
rezoning,
because
I
believe
strongly
in
commercial
growth
to
pay
and
support
our
residential
development,
and
if
I
can
entertain
any
questions,
I'll
be
more
happy.
G
O
Happened
was
because
they
didn't
get
the
rezoning
on
the
commercial
to
develop.
Developer,
asked
the
City
Council
to
rescind
the
decision
a
month
ago
and
I
believe
it
was
two
City
Council
meetings
ago
to
rescind
that
annexation,
so
the
annex,
the
property
along
Bryan,
Road
I,
believe
it
was
one
point
three,
four
acres.
Possibly
there
was
annexed
and
it
was
all
frontage
on
Bryant
Road
and
then
because
they
didn't
get
that
approved
and
the
rezoning
as
residential.
O
O
Right
now,
there's
nobody
loose
on
the
property,
so
you'd
have
to
have
a
NCD
election
in
an
out
of
city
election.
So
nobody
would
vote
on
the
out
of
city,
but
the
entire
city
would
vote
and
if
it
was
developed
and
residential
would
go
into
portions
of
this
property,
then
those
residents
would
have
to.
G
O
Seen
some
correspondence
from
the
fire
marshal
Morrison
from
the
O'fallon
Fire
Protection
District,
and
it's
my
understanding
through
David
woods,
the
director
of
plain
community-development,
that
there
were
some
problems
with
the
turning
radius
of
fire
apparatus
having
access
to
this
development,
it
wasn't
built
to
the
proper
specifications
to
turn
around
ladder,
trucks,
engines
and
from
what
I
understand
dr.
Dre
and
his
transportation
director
had
the
same
situation.
K
So
the
annexation
was
only
with
respect
to
one
one,
one:
two
Brian
Road
and
then
once
the
rezoning,
which
included
the
two
parcels
once
that
was
not
approved
by
O'fallon,
then
the
annexation
petition
was
withdrawn
by
our
client.
Then
I
believe
the
city
also
rescinded
its
annexation,
but
it
was
a
voluntary
annexation
that
the
client
withdrew.
So
the
city's
rescission
was
I,
guess
kind
of
belt-and-suspenders.
If
you
will
the
so
again,
no
commercial
properties
being
resumed
here.
K
That
was
the
portion
in
O'fallon,
and
that
was
not
res
owned
and
that's
not
part
of
this
proposal
and
with
respect
to
the
comments
about
opposition
from
dr.
debris
or
the
fire
chief
again,
dr.
du
Brey
personally
spoke
with
Dave
Olson
said
the
school
districts
only
point
was:
if
the
cul-de-sac
is
not
wider,
then
school
buses
cannot
turn
around
down
there,
but
they're
fine,
with
picking
students
off
at
the
front
of
the
subdivision
and
with
respect
to
the
fire
marshal
I
mean
the
the
road
meets
the
code
requirements.
K
E
K
J
B
B
K
K
The
with
respect
to
the
grade
of
the
property,
it
is
likely
true
that
the
grade
of
the
property
is
more
than
seven
percent
right
now,
but
what
we
are
saying
is
the
once
improved.
The
grade
of
the
street
will
be
approximately
seven
percent,
but
I
don't
deny
that
there
are
steep
grades
on
the
property
now,
but
the
property
is
currently
unimproved.
K
I.
Think
that
addresses
the
questions
that
were
raised.
Oh
and
there's
a
question
about
a
fence
along
the
eastern
portion
of
the
property.
From
our
standpoint,
if
you
put
a
fence
across
a
creek,
then
that's
going
to
exacerbate
flooding
issues
in
the
way
that
the
property
is
laid
out.
There's
a
lot
of
elevation
changes
and
woods
frankly
along
the
eastern
portion
of
the
property
that
would
not
encourage
or
even
make
it
easy
to
cross
over
on
to
the
golf
course
property.
B
H
H
So
that
no
no
as
you're,
you
don't
want
to
be
at
the
street.
You
know
right
at
an
angle
like
this
like
this,
so
maybe
7%
going
up,
perhaps
but
I
assume
that
once
you
get
close
to
the
right
away,
you're
gonna
have
to
flatten
out
some
done
and
that'll
be
dealt
with
in
more
detail
at
the
improvement
plan
stage,
which
comes
between
the
preliminary
flat
and
the
final
plan.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
A
M
H
I
add
one
piece
of
information.
It
was
asked
at
the
beginning
of
towards
the
beginning
of
this
discussion
about
what
the
distance
is
for.
The
variance
between
the
two
points.
I
think
it's
about
285
feet
from
centerline
to
centerline,
rather
than
300
feet,
which
is
the
minimum.
So
it's
a
little
bit
short
and
how
its
measured
according
to
our
books,
is
measured
from
the
center
line
of
the
one
street
to
the
center
line
of
the
other.
M
B
B
I
I
E
M
C
B
A
A
Next
on
the
agenda
is
conditional
use,
permit,
request,
3707,
Veterans,
Memorial
Parkway.
The
application
is
cu,
P
18
hole,
5
you,
a
quote
applicant
is
well
Clement.
Okay,
I
got
that
right.
They
get
right
to
me:
property
owner
mutual
Assurance
company
partnership,
LLP,
you've
requested
automobile
sales
or
zoning
a/c
to
general
commercial
district.
The
area's
three
point:
four
or
five:
three
acres
locations
on
the
southeast
corner
of
Veterans
Memorial,
Parkway
and
Arco
Drive
adjoining
the
city
of
st.
Charles
and
Council
District,
five
staff.
H
H
We're
really
talking
about
the
front
portion
along
Veterans,
Memorial
Parkway,
and
that
portion
in
2016
came
before
you
that
excuse
me,
the
the
the
property
owners
and
an
applicant
at
that
time
in
2016
came
before
you
and
got
a
conditional
use
permit
for
automobile
sales
for
that
front
portion.
At
that
time,
the
conditioner
used
to
permeate.
H
There's
a
couple
peculiarities
about
this
property
one
is
that
it's
it's
adjoining
a
couple
of
residences,
but
they're
really
far
below
there's
a
there's,
a
huge
great
change
to
the
east,
and
so
the
homes
are
almost
sitting
below
the
level
of
this
lot.
Those
are
long,
clear
view
drive
and
a
long
clear
view
drive.
H
These
large
trucks,
big
park
along
Arco,
drive
to
load
and
unload
vehicles,
apparently
that's
already
being
done
for
some
of
the
other
car
sales,
lots
that
are
in
the
area,
because
there
are
already
car
sales
Lots
up
and
down
Veterans
Memorial
Parkway.
So
this
would
be
one
of
save
for
car
sales
Lots
within
a
relatively
short
distance.
H
Some
of
the
reasons
that
we
believe
that
one,
the
property
is
already
close
to
I
seventy,
so
those
homes
that
are
there
on
Clear
View.
They
already
deal
with
the
noise
and
the
traffic
of
I-70
in
the
south
service
road.
This
has
been
used
commercially
for
years
for
mobile
home
sales
and
mobile
home
repair.
H
Actually,
they
had
this
really
large
building
the
way
I
understand
it
is
they
were
bringing
mobile
homes
kind
of
underground,
underneath
this
building
and
the
repair
them
this.
This
is
gonna,
be
a
lot
less
intensive
than
how
the
property
was
used
traditionally,
so
with
that
County
staff
is
recommending
that
plenty
of
Zoning
Commission
recommend
approval
with
certain
conditions
that
are
provided
in
your
staff
report.
Any.
P
Questions
for
status,
I,
remember:
16.
We
had
a
long
discussion
about
that.
Big
drop
site
is
out
there
and
some
of
the
people
that
came
to
address
the
Commission
said:
take
it
down
and
we
said:
does
it
have
to
be
taken
down
and
I've
seen
one
of
your
conditions
here,
it's
in
the
past
tense
erected.
What
are
we
going
to
do
with
that?
P
H
B
H
A
Q
Previously
I
was
here
in
2016,
as
you
can
remember,
to
request
the
conditional
use
permit
for
auto
mode
automotive
sales
and
it
was
approved
back.
Then
we
had
an
old
building
on
the
lot.
They
were
just
gonna
rent
a
bit
a
little
bit
to
have
a
car
sales.
Now
that
building
has
been
demolished,
it's
a
empty
land
and
we
are
proposing
to
put
a
brand
new
building
up
there
to
make
the
place
real
nice
very
comparable
with
enterprise
car
sales.
Q
P
E
Q
Q
A
R
A
R
B
H
R
They
ought
to
aim
them
after
a
lot,
not
yeah
people's
backyards.
I
own
well,
okay,
buy
home
is
400
foot
from
this
property
I'm
up
toward
the
front
and
back
backs
up
to
theirs.
They
have
lights
that
are
so
bright
when
I
couldn't
in
the
winter,
when
the
leaves
are
off.
Trees,
I
got
to
hold
my
hand
up
to
be
able
to
see.
I
can't
see
stars
anymore
if
they
would
just
same
the
Lots
that
they're
a
lot,
they
wouldn't
be
Robert
and
Mike.
H
D
R
The
lot
has
lights
already
and
I
presume
these
guys
will
have
control
of
them
right:
okay,
okay,
there's
the
lights
down
the
service
road
have
light
shining
so
bright
when
you
drive
down
Spring
Drive
you're,
going
to
shade
your
eyes
to
see
yeah
in
my
home,
my
my
my
area
is
25
feet
or
50
feet.
Higher
than
service
Road
and
I
got
75
foot
trees
and
in
the
winter,
when
the
leaves
are
off,
those
trees
are
all
lit
up
a
thousand
feet
away
from
the
service
road.
R
You
know
I've
called
about
them
and
stuff,
they
won't
do
nothing.
The
other
thing
is
this
lot
going
to
all
the
other
lot
servers
free
more
along
there.
They
Park
cars
all
the
way
past
their
property
lines
onto
a
service
load,
property
line
and
spring
driver
work.
They
parked
cars
on
ten
feet
out
on
the
right
way
of
spring
on
the
pavement
three
or
four
feet:
the
light,
that's
their
down
on
to
conquer
the
west
side
of
the
spring.
R
Yeah
I
know
that
it
just
it's
like
once
they
get
in
and
it's
like
loss.
Nobody
does
nothing
about
nothing,
they
do.
The
used-car
Lots
have
been
bad
neighbors
water
runoff.
The
one
I've
got
clear
view
and
fair
view
at
Fairview.
Drive,
clear
views
there
in
that
little
subdivision
is
downhill
from
the
broths
property
and
it
run
three
or
four
homes.
The
water
went
off
when
it
paved
the
Lots
on
the
service
road
ran
down.
R
Lonnie
is
here,
he's
got
one
right
next
to
broths
and
it's
like,
like
he
said,
20
feet,
Lauren
Ross,
if
they
pave
all
and
all
the
water's
gonna
run
down
on
him,
but
I
actually
around
my
house
I
saved
the
two
of
us
and
ready
to
demolish
now
because
they
can't
live
him.
I
have
built
a
levee
across
the
back
of
my
yard
and
behind
a
servant
I'm
on
the
corner
of
spring
and
in
the
lots
behind
me.
I
had
to
build
a
levee
to
keep
water
off.
My
house
was
almost
ruined.
R
I
had
two
addicts
in
the
city
put
a
new
sewer
system
in
and
everything,
but
anyway
the
water's
gonna,
even
up
where
I
live
all
the
weight,
the
back
of
the
property.
Eventually,
these
people
may
end
up
with
a
whole
property,
probably
behind
me
right
now:
they're
not
getting
it,
but
if
you
guys
give
them
salting,
you
have
to
come
back
to
do
the
back,
hey.
A
R
And
then
I
want
to
ask
about
another
thing:
that's
it's
in
part
and
I've
been
trying
to
deal
with
city
and
county
both
about
spring
low
village,
to
build
across
the
street
and
a
Spring
Drive
is
a
two-lane
asphalt,
road,
County
Road
and
they
let
them
Parkins
and
now
we're
we
can't
even
meet
cars
on
spring
and
it's
on
a
hill
right.
There
dig
our
hole,
size,
Villa
parking,
but
the
other
side.
They
let
the
city
park
right
on
spring.
R
A
S
I
had
an
issue
with
poison
ivy
in
my
hedges
and
the
county
come
out
and
give
me
so
much
time
to
get
it
resolved
and
I
said
well.
Why
you
out
here
show
me:
what's
going
on
Isis
and
broths,
here's
got
this
building
with
a
gutter
at
the
bottom
of
it
was
rusted
out
so,
and
I've
had
water
on
that
property.
Since
I
moved
there
when
I
was
seven
years
old
and
it
was
a
farm
farmer's
field,
we
tried
to
see
about
doing
something
with
that
for
runoff
and
they'd
plow
it
in
the
spring.
S
S
We
dug
a
ditch
when
it
was
the
the
farm
ground
and
built
it
up,
so
it
would
water
with
drain
broths
got
in
there
and
did
their
thing,
and
there
wasn't
much
we
could
do
and
we
complain
enough
and
they
put
some
concrete
things
on
barriers
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
But
they've
had
these
blast
black
plastic
pipes
and
at
one
time
then
pipes
shock
water
up
over
a
little
tie
wall.
S
We
had
to
try
direct
in
the
time
into
the
water
into
my
yard
and
when
it
rains
my
backyard,
if
it
ain't
a
lake,
it's
a
river
and
I'm
on
a
septic
system
I'm
in
the
county.
Your
property
next
to
me,
is
in
the
city
and
I
think
four
offices
in
the
county
and
the
car
lot
next
to
me
between
me
and
the
service
road
I
think
it's
in
the
county.
S
So
if
it's
in
the
county
is
still
in
a
septic
system,
now
you're
going
to
saturate
my
ground
with
water,
a
septic
system,
don't
work
with
saturated
ground
and
I've
been
dealing
with
it.
For
a
long
time
and
I've
been
unfortunate,
that
ain't
really
had
no
serious
septic
issues.
I've
had
the
basement
flooded.
It's
a
rental
house
now
and
my
Renner
had
all
her
belongings
flooded
and
flooded
in
the
basement
because
of
runoff,
so
anything
that
you
guys
wanted.
S
If
he
does,
that
make
sure
the
runoffs
taken
care
of
because
he's
going
to
put
a
nice
building
up
and
he
ain't
gonna
want
his
customers
walking
through
water.
So
I
don't
know
where
that
water
is
going
to
go,
but
they're
gonna
be
all
paved
other
than
downhill
and
there's
20
feet
up
to
my
backyard
and
I'm
down
hill,
not
counting
what
broths
did
when
they
had
the
nursery
paved
that
hole
placed
next
to
me,
which
now
is
a
used-car
lot
and
then
they
use
they
washed
cars
all
the
time.
S
S
That's
my
main
concern
now
the
light
issue
say
that
there's
a
thing
about
how
many
looms
and
everything
that
place
is
lit
up
like
daylight,
a
lot
of
times
at
night
now
with
different
signs
and
everything
so
kind
of
least
make
it
some
kind
of
where
somebody
could
live
there
and
feel
that
it
is
kind
of
a
residential
because
it
is
bright
and
when
it
rains
it
gets
dumped
on.
That's
my
main
concern.
You
guys
approve
this
approve
it
word.
S
There's
gonna
be
a
something
where
the
water
issue
is
not
going
to
affect
me,
because
why
I
understand
I'm,
not
for
sure,
but
you
might
want
to
check
on
it.
My
camera
Lee
there
was
saying
the
houses
on
Fairview
I
think
every
one
of
them
had
water
issues
and
a
couple
of
them
haven't
been
lived
in
for
a
while.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
a
sewer
issue,
but
a
lot
between
Fairview
them
houses
and
the
used-car
Lots
the
service
road,
that's
all
paved
and
you
got
something
as
paved.
S
Water
doesn't
go
into
the
ground,
it
goes
downhill
all
residential
houses,
downhill
and
I
know
power
of
the
heat
and
air
conditionings
wrap
across
the
street.
From
my
house
he's
addressing
was
considered
fair
view.
He's
got
water
issues
and,
like
said
under
the
other
two
houses
and
mike
says
he's
got
problem
the
corner
down
there
from
runoff.
S
S
S
I
B
S
One
time
the
neighborhood
wanted
to
go
on
this
sewer.
The
only
way
to
do
that
to
get
in
the
city
and
septic
system
pretty
much
worked.
I
didn't
have
no
used
to
go
into
the
city.
Everybody
else
did,
but
really
at
one
time
I
was
in
the
city.
It
was
before
I
actually
owned
it.
My
parents
did
I
think
my
camera
Lee
had
that
same
issue
who's
in
the
county
and
the
city
now
back
in
the
county,
so
that
was
some
mix-up
back
years
ago,
so
they
are.
S
J
A
O
O
It's
been
of
some
contention
before
the
County
Council
previous
of
monies
meeting
talk
of
the
north
service
Road
East,
which
appeared
before
you
at
last
month's
planning,
a
zoning
commission
meeting
that
lot
was
atrocious.
It
was
out
of
control.
There
were
numerous
code
violations.
Numerous
junk
cars
are
remain
there
for
years
generations
upon
generations
and
it
was
never
cleaned
up.
It
was
an
environmental
eyesore.
Nobody
would
want
to
move
in
or
build
the
subdivision
or
any
other
commercial
structures
near
that
site.
O
Now
somebody
has
bought
that
site
and
is
cleaning
up
the
site
and
got
most
of
the
junk
most
of
the
scrap
metal
and
the
derelict
vehicles
off
the
property.
But
I
want
to
ensure
and
I'm
not
pointing
fingers
at
this
gentleman
I'm
for
his
business
I'm
for
commerce
and
for
free
business
ship.
But
I
would
like
to
following
conditions
because
staff
doesn't
put
conditions
on
automotive
businesses
and
I
think
that's
a
shame.
O
We
need
to
start
his
accounting,
making
sure
that
there's
a
shirin
system
protections
on
conditional
use
permits
I
would
ask
the
Commission
to
consider
the
following:
can
additions
that
no
unlicensed
vehicles
be
allowed
on
the
property
that
no
derelict
vehicles,
meaning
flat
tires
broken
windows.
Non
running
engines
remain
on
the
property
for
more
than
seven
days
that
no
parts
of
barrels
be
stored
outside
of
the
building.
O
The
no
storage
of
tires
used
oil
solvents
outside
of
any
building
that
total
vehicles
cannot
remain
on
the
property
for
more
than
45
days
to
give
the
owner
of
the
property
ample
time
to
negotiate
a
settlement
with
any
insurance
companies,
if
that's
an
option
and
I.
Also,
after
reviewing
some
of
the
information
that
was
submitted
to
staff,
I'd
like
to
see
a
parking
striping
plan,
a
landscaping
plan
and
again
the
photometric,
which
would
be
the
lighting
scheme-
did
not
appear
on
there,
but
we
need
to
start
putting
conditions
on
conditional
use
permits.
O
O
I
will
be
here
to
testify
for
these
simple
conditions
and
I
hope
that
you
agree
with
me:
I
hope,
you'll,
take
them
into
account
and
I
think
it's
time
that
we
change
our
ways
as
a
county
government.
In
reference
to
assurances
and
to
protect
property
property
owners
of
adjoining
properties,
thank
you
any.
A
Q
D
H
D
Q
Of
the
wall,
so
when
the
architect
and
the
construction
come
in
year
to
get
more,
you
get
the
site
plan
done,
they
will
have
more
concrete
information.
I
did
submit
a
map
of
where
there's
a
basin
right
now
at
the
property.
The
south
part
of
the
problem,
then
I
submit
it
to
death.
There's
a
basin
in
there
right
now.
B
H
No
variance
I
mean
I'm,
sorry
conditional,
you
know,
conditions
permit
the
requests,
let's
see,
I
think
they
don't
remember
if
the
legal
description
includes
the
entire
prompts
property
or
not,
but
they're.
Drawing
that
they've
submitted.
That's
before
you
for
approval
is
only
for
the
front
portion.
I
think
it's
three
acres.
Q
H
A
G
Make
a
comment
because
they
heard
Monday's
County
Council
meeting
and
Arnie
Dean
I've
spoke
with
those
conditions
made
me
think
between
now
and
then
he
brought
them
up
again.
I
think
everybody
here
not
just
in
st.
Charles
that
you've
driven
from
here
to
Kansas,
City
or
spring
chill
and
the
size
of
the
road.
G
G
So
we
can
prevent
some
of
that
unsightly
deal
and
I
think
he
made
some
good
points.
Maybe
I
heard
it
on
Monday,
so
maybe
the
other
commissioners
can
absorb
some
of
this,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
thought
process
and
I,
don't
know
where
it
stops
starts
here
or
at
the
county
council
level
with
mr.
Quinn
Hamrick
and
he's
heard
it
on
Monday
as
well,
but
as
we
grow
I.
Think
probably
mr.
Dino
made
some
good
points,
something
to
think
about
boy.
P
E
That's
very
well
said
we
don't
have
one
set
of
codes
for
Auto,
Sales
and
another
set
of
codes.
For
you
know,
storage
sheds
sales,
it's
it,
it
all
gets
handled
the
same
now.
A
lot
of
our
code
enforcement
is
complaint,
driven
given
the
size
of
st.
Charles
County
and
the
number
of
properties
that
are
out
there.
E
It
is
still
something
that
is
largely
complaint,
driven,
I'm,
not
going
to
say
exclusively
but
but
largely
complaint
driven.
So
anytime
people
see
things
that
are
not
up
to
code,
whether
it
be
grass
that's
growing
through
or
our
cars
with
flattened
tires.
That
is
a
code
violation.
It
doesn't
matter
if
it's
on
a
on
a
residential
lot
or
commercial.
On
its
from
that
standpoint,
it's
the
same
thing.
So
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
mr.
Dean
off
talked
about.
E
It
was
you
know
that
our
staff
needs
to
start
making
recommendations
and
and
in
actual
conditions,
what
we
we
have
a
list
of
six
of
them.
There
I
don't
want
I,
don't
want
people
to
think
that
we're
just
up
here,
approving
conditional
use
permits
without
any
conditions
that
are
that
are
outlined
terror.
H
Yes,
please
yeah,
the
water
I
remember
walking
the
site
in
2016
with
development
view,
review
directors
of
who's,
an
engineer,
and
he
noted
that
this
this
is
my
recollection.
The
the
water
there's
an
easement
along
the
eastern
proper
line.
It
runs
really
far
down
along
Eastern
property
line
and
there's
a
an
area-wide
or
a
group,
storm
water,
detention
basin
and
the
way
it's
set
up,
it's
not
that
great,
but
it's
just
the
way
it
is.
H
It
was
created
years
ago
now
now
that
the
property
is
being
redeveloped,
we'll
have
to
look
at
it
again
in
terms
of
do
they
need
to
require
any
on-site
detention
or
not
because
in
2016
they
weren't
going
to
redevelop
the
property.
Sorry
in
2016
they
weren't
going
to
redevelop
the
property,
but
now
they
are
so
the
site
plan
will
stage
will
review
at
that
time
whether
they
need
to
now
do
on-site,
detention
or
not
I,
would
say.
Gravel
surface
has
a
lot
of
runoff
already.
H
In
fact,
it's
mostly
mostly
runoff,
there's
very
little
water
that
actually
typically
goes
down
on
the
ground.
When
you
have
gravel
surfaces
supposed,
it
runs
off
the
lighting.
We
do
have
quite
good
lighting
standards
now,
a
lot
of
the
complaints
that
have
come
about
this
property
and
the
lighting
is
the
storage
area
in
the
back
for
them
for
the
RVs,
and
that
has
the
way
I
see
it.
It's
got
like
this
just
kind
of
raking
across
the
horizontally
across
the
several
properties.
Today
it's
got
to
be
new
lighting
fixtures.
H
E
I
guess
just
one
thing:
I
heard
you
say
and
I
don't
want
to
be
taken
out
of
context.
The
previous
stormwater,
the
tension
system
was
inadequate
or
not.
The
best
now
is
is
certainly
the
time,
though,
that
we
can
look
at
making
improvements
to
that
and
I'm
sure
that
what
that
your
department
will
we'll
take
that
into
consideration
that
it's
it's
not
working
as
well
as
it
could
now.
So
we
have
an
opportunity
here,
since
it
is
getting
redeveloped
to
improve
what
is
already
there.
D
E
B
H
H
Private
line,
so
little
bail,
fewer
encroachment,
I,
think
of
cars
onto
the
under
the
street,
or
fewer
opportunities
for
that
in
terms
of
grease,
and
things
like
that,
now
that's
going
to
be
redeveloped,
they're
gonna
have
to
have
certain
types
of
grease
traps
and
other
measures
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
get
into
either
stormwater
or
into
the
sanitary
sewer
system.
This
does
this
site
does
have
sanitary
sewer,
look
up,
we've
contacted
the
city
of
st.
H
H
But
they
are
the
code
violations
so
right
now
on
the
property
maintenance
code,
we
do
not
allow
derelict
vehicles
and
licensed
Vehicles
wrecked
vehicles.
Okay,
those
would
be
code
violations
also
in
the
c2
general
commercial
district.
We
allow
buy
right
automobile
repair
shop,
including
audible,
Body
Shop,
provided
that
wrecked
or
dismantle
vehicles
or
parts
are
stored
in
a
building
or
enclosed
within
an
eight-foot
site
crew
fence.
M
A
H
D
F
A
M
N
B
E
E
A
Conditional
use
permit
request
located
at
36,
95,
highway,
D
and
3703
highway.
D,
an
application
is
Cu,
P,
18,
national,
six
property
owners,
drill,
a
Kevin
and
Glen
and
Jake
even
revocable
trust.
The
use
requested
is
automobile
boat,
truck
trailer
and
RV
storage
and
a
single
family
residence.
The
zoning
c2
general
commercial
district.
The
area
is
four
point:
five,
seven
acres
location
is
on
the
north
side
of
Highway
D,
approximately
800
feet
east
of
highway
double
D.
This
is
located
in
Council
District,
two
staff.
F
All
right,
there
are
two
separate
conditional
use
permit
applications
with
this
application.
The
first
is
specifically
for
automobiles
boats,
trucks,
trailers
and
RV
storage
outdoor
storage.
There
is
a
concept
plan
that
is
attached
to
your
your
packet,
while
the
applicant
didn't
really
outlay
the
dimensions
on
the
property,
how
the
RVs
and
storage
will
go,
because
that
takes
a
lot
of
CAD
work
and
several
days
of
working
on
it.
They
do
know
that
it
will
be
approximately
a
ninety
parking
spaces
on
this
property.
It
is,
it
is
a
fairly
large
property.
F
The
concept
plan
right
now
shows
the
fencing
outside
of
that
single-family
residence
area.
The
person
that
will
be
living
there
will
also
be
a
sort
of
caretaker
for
the
for
the
property
keep
an
eye
on
it,
make
sure
everything's
working
properly
that
fencing
area
may
adjust.
It
depends
on
the
location
and
the
exact
needs
of
the
septic
system.
We
do
have
as
one
of
our
conditions
a
septic
system
inspection,
since
it
is
changing
ownership.
That
is
a
requirement
by
the
division
of
building
code
enforcement
to
have
septic
systems
inspected.
F
Gravel
a
gravel
parking
area
rather
than
paved
that
does
help
to
cut
down
a
little
bit
as
Robert
mentioned
earlier.
It
does
help
a
little
bit
on
the
stormwater
runoff.
It's
not
perfect,
it's
not
a
totally.
If
you
know
pervious
areas,
but
the
applicant
has
has
will
have
this
engineered
and
the
pre-engineering
is
showing
an
approximate
location
in
need
of
the
detention
area
in
the
northeast
corner
of
the
property,
but
the
gravel
parking.
F
G
This
is
probably
two
minute
drive
from
my
house
very
familiar
with
the
property
because
goes
back
to
2008
when
Cheryl
Hill
was
on
here
and
it
got
Rees
owned
and
blah
blah
blah.
This
aerial
photo
is
totally
for
the
other
commissioners.
It
doesn't
even
look
like
that.
You
mentioned
one
of
the
residents
I
think
for
the
I
know
what
it
is,
but
I
think
for
everybody
else
to
have
a
little
visual
picture
which
home
is
still
left
there.
That's
going
to
have
this
residence,
it.
F
G
G
A
T
Gerald,
a
Kievan,
760,
Hill
and
camp
drive,
Wellness
Springs
Missouri,
six,
three,
three
zero
four,
and
we
yes,
we
are
proposing
both
in
RV
storage
on
this
particular
piece
of
property
and
I
know.
You
guys
have
heard
this
many
times.
There
is
a
very
drastic
need
for
boats
and
RVs.
The
last
time
I
was
in
here
was
approximately
one
year
ago
on
phase
2
of
the
Highways
Z
1.
T
T
When
we
looked
it
up,
it's
a
it's
$80,000
plus
when
people
are
making
that
they
do
like
to
have
extra
extra
things
that
they
buy
from
trailers
to
RVs
and
so
on,
and
there's
a
very
much
of
a
need,
one
of
the
other
needs
that
was
what's
kind
of
interesting
and
actually
proud
to
be
able
to
to
be
a
part
of
this.
When
the
when
our
highways
z
facility
went
in
this
last
year,
when
the
tax
bill
came,
it
was
eighty
four
hundred
dollars
more
than
what
that
property
was
in
the
past
and
I
know.
T
Some
people
are
like.
Well,
it's
not
all
about
the
money
that
is
correct.
However,
Frances
Howell
school
did
strict
would
have
loved
to
have
had
their
proposal.
This
last
time
voted
in
as
a
tax
increase,
but
it
did
get
voted
down
and
when
you,
when
I'm
paying
eighty
four
hundred
dollars
more
on
this
particular
piece
of
property,
I,
don't
know
what
the
breakdown
is
for
the
fire,
police
and
school
district,
but
there's
a
big
number
that
goes
towards
a
school
district.
T
That
is
that
it's
going
for
that,
and
you
know
what
that's
a
we
need
to
have
the
property
taxes
at
the
same
time,
but
mine
went
up
eighty
four,
eighty
four
hundred
dollars
approximately
this
last
one
so
in
in
this
particular
area.
We
have
many
of
our
people
that
are
in
our
other
storage
facilities
that
we
have
live
in
the
Defiance
area
and
said:
hey.
T
It
look
sure,
looks
like
you're
preparing
another
spot
for
a
storage
facility
and
I
said
we
would
like
to
do
that
and
at
the
same
time,
they're
like
that
would
be
fantastic.
It
would
be
a
lot
closer
to
where
I
live
at,
and
so
we
have
had
many
people
that
are
wanting
to
have
storage
in
that
particular
area.
For
us.
T
T
T
So
when
you
have
a
1950s
house,
most
of
them
are
all
put
in,
they
don't
have
concrete
foundations,
they
have
cinderblock
foundations,
some
people,
it
works
real
well
to
keep
them,
keep
them
up.
These
houses
were
not
adequate.
You
couldn't
afford
to
put
money
into
them
to
get
them
to
be
anything
at
all
they
needed
to
come
down.
We
did
that.
T
We
also
during
the
land
special
land
use,
permit
to
be
able
to
flatten
the
the
aerial
we
asked
to
put
berms
up,
which
we
have
put
berms
up
on
the
side
where
the
firehouse
is,
which
is
to
the
left
of
the
property.
Thank
you,
and
so
we
have
a
berm
from
there
going
forward
all
the
way
across
the
front
over
to
the
house,
and
then
one
that
also
goes
straight
north
to
to
block
anything
there.
I
did
that
for
two
reasons.
T
The
main
reason
was
that
so
that,
at
a
at
a
meeting
like
this,
people
could
actually
see
what
it
looks
like
being
that
I
already
owned
the
property
and
be
able
to
put
the
trees
up
and
try
to
screen
that
in
in
a
good
way,
and
so
that
people
would
understand.
Okay,
this
is
what
he's
trying
to
do
he's
trying
to
screen
the
property
and
in
a
good
way.
So
that's
my
in
my
always
my
intent
is
to
I.
T
Don't
want
to
have
to
somebody
to
look
at
our
property
and
say
I,
don't
I,
don't
like
to
have
the
storage
one?
It's
like
hey,
we'll
do
whatever
we
can
to
screen
it
properly,
and
you
know
somebody
Nathan
wants
to
recommend
more
we'll
do
whatever
we
had
I
think
mr.
Clint
camera.
There
was
one
of
the
things
that
I
had
proposed
at
one
time
was
even
to
totally
shield.
Everything
was
a
bamboo
type
tree
system
and
you
had
said
no,
please
don't
do
that
right.
T
That's
not
what
we're
wanting
the
looks
of
that
aren't
very,
very
good,
but
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
driven
out
there,
but
I'm
very
happy
with
the
way
the
sod
has
taken.
The
trees
are
in
and
the
way
things
are
are
looking
out
there
at
this
particular
time.
So
but
anyway,
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has.
P
P
Most
of
the
time
when
there
was
discussion
it
was,
can
I
see
it.
Can
you
hide
it?
Well
all
the
lines
that
you're
talking
about
you
know,
I,
ask
you
just
straight
out:
have
you
had
compliance
problems
and
if
the
county-
and
we
had
issues
where
people
came
and
complained
about
anything,
this
man
has
done?
How
many
do
you
have
in
the
county,
I.
T
T
T
It
didn't
look
as
good
as
I
wanted
it
to
look.
We
just
put
seven
thousand
dollars
into
the
fencing
it
was
leaning
over
and
I
called
my
fencing
guy
and
I
said
hey.
Let's
get
this
straightened
back
up.
Let's
make
it
look
good
I,
always
like
to
make
things
look
professional,
my
dad
always
gay.
He
said
one
thing:
I'm
gonna
give
you
I'm
gonna,
give
you
a
good
name,
don't
screw
it
up.
So
that's
my
my
opinion
is
always
to
make
sure
that
I
maintain
that
and.
P
G
Going
back
a
little
history
because
you're
derelict
tenant
was
a
problem,
probably
eight
or
ten
years
you
came
before
us.
We
changed
the
zoning
because
it
was
selling
cars
and
it
was
illegal.
So
we
changed
the
zoning
and
I
remember
Bob
moynak
I
talked
with
him.
He
was
allowed
to
store
cars,
but
not
sell
him.
So
what
he
was
doing
was
putting
one
car
out
in
the
front
for
sale
and
then
he
had
50
of
them
in
the
back.
So
this
was
the
hook
come
on.
If
you
don't
like
this,
but
he
was
doing
it.
G
There
was
a
guy
on
Highway,
F,
I
think
two
years
ago
filed
a
suit
not
only
for
the
animals,
because
he
was
had
a
horse
several
horses
there
and
he
had
a
piece
of
rope
right
next
to
the
road
and
the
horses
would
get
out.
They
go
up
to
the
TT
market
and
so
forth,
and
so
on
so
I
agree.
You're
gonna
make
a
great
improvement.
Getting
rid
of
that.
G
That
evidence
said
I
looked
at
some
of
the
things
and
I
talked
to
my
biggest
concern
is
the
buffer
and
I
on
Monday
I
spoke
with
Michael
Hulbert
regarding
this
we're
probably
about
a
half
hour,
and
he
a
couple
buzz
words:
the
psych
psych
proof
along
the
residential
boundary
I've
seen
the
berms
I
drove
out
and
again
did
did
Oh.
Mr.
celli,
he
did
great
jobs.
G
I
do
have
a
problem,
though
we
drove
by
again
the
one
act
on
highways,
see
you
put
in
pine
trees
and
those
things
and
I
have
pictures
which
I
want
to
share
with
you.
After
this
meeting
chair
those
pine
trees
that
were
susceptible
in
Missouri,
Botanical
Garden,
they
don't
grow
very
fast,
even
when
they
grow
up.
I'll
show
you
some
pictures,
there's
no
buffer
I
mean
you
can
just
see
through
it
and
I
know
they're
staggered,
but
I
looked
at
the
ones
today
on
Z
they
haven't
been
watered.
G
The
homes
around
us
as
you
familiar
with
the
area
and
I'd
like
to
even
come
to
my
house
and
take
a
look
at
you-
can
take
a
specimen
very
cheap,
but
it'll
make
a
very
good
buffer
is
to
put
in
some
Norwegian
spruce.
They
will
knit
together.
Mm-Hmm
and
I
have
pictures
with
the
exact
same
centers
with
a
25
year
old
white
pine
that
you
can
see
anything
through
it
and
a
spruce
that
you
can't
see
anything.
G
We
planned
these
nine
years
ago
and
they're
higher
than
a
two-story
house,
but
they
provide
excellent
cover
in
the
analysis.
You're
requested
a
six-foot
proof,
fence
and
I
thought.
Oh
maybe
a
fence,
but
I,
don't
know
how
high
RVs
I
don't
know
whether
that's
going
to
do
it
and
then
I
looked
at
the
405
135
see
to
item
number
four.
This
is
a
number
though
this
is
our
permissible
use.
G
Isn't
it
they
with
an
8-foot
sight,
proof
fence,
so
I
disagree
with
this
six-foot
fence
and
I
think
you're,
a
good
steward
of
the
land.
You
want
quality
things,
I
think
the
area
I
know
the
homes
I
lived
there,
two
minutes
from
that
property,
you're
welcome
to
come
visit
and
the
demographics.
They
are
their
story
because
I
don't
have
neighbors
big
RVs
boats
because
of
indentures.
You
can't
put
a
35-foot
boat
in
your
driveway.
We've
got
together.
They
had
a
lot
of
people
or
stored,
maybe
probably
in
your
facilities
but
I.
G
G
Toads
and
other
diseases,
not
a
good.
It
looks
good
on
paper,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
mm-hmm
it
doesn't
follow
the
intent
where
it's
buffered
I
thought
of
putting
one
of
those
white
fences
up,
but
I
think
that's
more
expensive
than
planning
the
proper
trees
okay
to
buffer
it.
But
I
I'm,
addressing
you
and
later
on
to
the
other
commissioners,
but
I
think
both
sides
and
long
double
D
needs
a
better
buffer.
If
you're
agreeable,
don't
you.
T
Absolutely,
for
the
most
part,
a
tree
that
is
a
white,
pine
or
I-
think
it's
a
Norway
spruce
as
what
you're
talking
about
now
they're,
both
very
fast-growing
and
result,
I
think
the
Norway
spruce
would
probably
do
the
better
job
because
you
cannot
see
through
it.
However,
on
the
when
I'm
looking
at
statistics,
they
say
that
the
white
pine
grows
faster.
To
me,
it
does
not
matter
I'll
put
in
the
Norway,
spruce
I'll
put
in
the
the
white
pine.
However,
somebody
would
think
that
that
would
be
a
better
solution.
B
B
T
Of
use,
that's
exactly
right,
and
typically
that
is
the
way
it
is.
This
is
kind
of
an
interim
where
there
there
is
not
sewers
out
in
that
particular
area.
At
some
point,
I'm
sure
there
will
be
just
like
anything
else
that
is
developing
in
at
that
rate,
so
I'm
sure
that
that
would
be,
and
it's
good
and
it's
relatively
close
to
the
corner
at
the
same
time.
So.
E
Keep
you
know
the
other
storage
slots
that
you
have?
Are
they
gravel
also
and
have
you
run
into
problems
with
dust
coming
off
of
them
interfering
with
we
have
residents
that
are
well
a
firehouse
and
a
residence
on
the
other
side
that
dirt,
you
know
in
close
proximity,
we've
had
issues
with
some
other
large
lots
that
have
dust
that
kicks
up
from
these,
and
what
what's
your
plan
to
address
that
got.
T
You
one
of
the
things
that
they
they
have
is
a
calcium
chloride
that
you
can
spray
on
it
to
keep
dust
down.
However,
most
people
would
envisioned
a
gravel
road
that
somebody
is
going
by
and
the
dust
is
flying
everywhere.
Everybody
has
know
I've
seen
that
and
everybody's
driven
down
a
gravel
road
like
that.
One
of
the
things
that,
on
a
particular
parcel
like
this,
the
max
that
you're
gonna
get
up
to
is
probably
not
speed.
Wise.
The
maximum
distance
is
roughly
going
to
be
250
to
300
feet.
T
I
haven't
looked
exactly
at
this
one,
but
you'd
have
RVs
on
your
side
and
it's
very
a
small
for
somebody.
Then
nobody
wants
to
or
needs
to
get
up
to
a
high
rate
of
speed
in
those
things
there
they're
pulling.
It
is
something
they're
going
five
miles
an
hour.
They
do
that.
They
don't
want
to
wreck,
and
the
other
thing
that
your
that
you
have
is
you
don't
get
the
compaction
that
you
don't
get
the
gravel
breaking
down
like
you
would
on
a
road
in
a
high
speed
in
people
traveling
a
whole
lot.
T
E
T
One
of
them
that
is,
that
I
bought
from
another
gentleman
in
that
one
is
concrete.
All
of
the
other
ones
are
gravel.
Yes,
when
I
haven't
had
any
any
complaints
at
all
from
anybody's,
saying:
hey,
it's
it's
dusty,
and
so
on
and
I've
actually
taken
pictures
of
different
RVs
that
were
dark.
There
was
another
down
in
Jefferson
County
that
they
were
worried
about
the
dust
also
and
I
went
on
a
random
day.
That
was
two
weeks
with
no
rain,
took
pictures
and
showed
those
there
wasn't
any
dust
upon
them.
T
My
we
have
14
inches,
so
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
generally
put
down
about
six
inches
of
two-inch
clean
right
and
then,
after
that,
you
go
with
a
two
inch
that
is
another
six
inches
and
then
you'll
have
two
inches
of
a
one.
Typically,
a
one
inch
clean
is
people
don't
want
to
get
it
in
their
RV,
so
you
have
to
have
clean
on
or
on
top,
but
we
get
a
lot
of
compliments
that
you
know
what
there's
no
pumping
and
thawing
other
places
they
get
stuck
in
different
ones.
Well,
we
do
that.
Okay,.
G
T
Sure
ila
I
love
the
Norway
spruce
and
they
cost
the
same
as
a
white
pine,
so
I'm
all
all
ears
on
that
I
will
say
one
of
the
the
ones
to
where
I
regret
on
you
know
everybody
has
things
to
where
they
wish.
I'd
have
done
that
a
little
bit
different
one
of
the
areas
on
how
easy
that
was
put
in
when
it
was
put
in
the
guide
that
was
building
it
put
in
a
dirt.
That
was
not
a
dirt
that
should
have
had
trees
that
were
growing
very
well.
So.
T
B
A
A
U
My
name
is
Jean
Hoffmeyer
I
live
at
1328,
highway,
D,
D
and
I'm,
the
guy,
that's
on
the
back
side
of
this
property.
You
know:
everybody's
everybody's
talked
about
the
barriers
in
the
front.
That's
my
backyard!
No,
you
do
that
backyard
used
to
have
well
over
a
hundred
trees
in
it.
It's
now
flattened
out.
It's
got
probably
I'm
a
very
corner.
You
can't
tell
it,
but
it
drops
down
in
that
one
upper
right-hand
corner,
there's
probably
between
15
and
18
feet
of
film,
since
this
is
started.
U
I've
had
dump
trucks
coming
all
hours
of
the
day,
my
probably
probably
between
150
and
200
loads
of
dump
of
dirt,
and
they
come
in
at
7
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
they
pulled
her
pulled
her
bed
up
and
then
they
slam
the
back
end
of
it
to
get
everything
out
of
it,
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
with
it.
Now.
Let
me
give
you
a
little
bit
little
information
on
myself,
I
used
to
run
the
Safari
campground
over
on
highway.
For
you.
U
If
you've
been
around
long
enough,
you
know
where's
that
I
was
the
manager
there,
so
I'm,
probably
the
last
guy
to
say
I,
don't
want
RVs
in
my
backyard,
but
when
I
see
when
I
looked
at
what
the
conditional
uses,
it
says:
automobile
boat,
truck,
trailer
and
RV
storage.
Now
the
automobile
that
doesn't
bother
me
much
the
boats,
those
guys
are
going
I,
don't
I'm
a
fisherman,
I'm
gonna
be
out
there
at
6
o'clock
in
the
morning,
getting
my
boat
trucks.
Now
you're
going
to
talk
about
commercial
trucks
that
these
subdivisions
also
don't
allow.
U
We
had
a
we
had
a
ride,
finders
van
that
we
couldn't
park
in
hit
subdivisions.
We
had
to
go
and
park
it
on
the
private,
on
the
parking,
lots
and
now
you're
gonna
have
trailers.
Now,
if
it's
just
a
trailer,
if
it's
a
somebody
doing
construction,
they're
going
to
be
in
and
out
of
there
early
in
the
morning,
this
is
my
backyard.
I'm
I
talked
to
talk
to
mr.
Kevin
about
the
lighting.
How
much
lighting
is
gonna,
be
in
my
backyard?
U
I
used
to
have
I
used
to
have
a
hundred
trees,
not
going
to
have
a
bunch
of
lights
back
there
we
talked
about
a
fence,
but
we
never
really
never.
Really
sperm
Denny
thing
up
and
I'm
not
going
to
I'm,
not
sure
how
the
fence
is
gonna
work
when
you've
got
20
feet
of
fill
on
one
end,
where's
that
fence
gonna
be.
Is
it
gonna
be
at
the
old
elevation?
There's
gonna
be
up
at
the
top
of
the
new
elevation
and
how
much?
U
How
much
setback
is
there
gonna
be
to
go
up,
20
feet,
I,
don't
know
any
of
this
stuff.
I,
don't
know
they
talked
about
a
retention.
Pond
I
haven't
seen
any
plans
on
it.
I
hear
you
know
they
said.
Oh
there's
gonna
be
one
where's.
It
gonna
be
all
that
all
that
is
gonna
drain
onto
my
property,
because
just
on
the
other
side
of
that
is
where
the
creek
starts.
U
Believe
it
or
not.
That
highway
is
on
the
Grand
divide,
every
every
drop
of
water
that
falls
on
my
property
goes
to
the
Missouri
River
every
P.
Every
drop
that
falls
on
the
other
side
goes
to
the
Mississippi
that
creeks
top
starts
right
there.
This
is
all
gonna
drain
onto
my
property,
as
well
as
everything
on
the
corner,
because
I
don't
around
the
corner,
so
I've
got
I've
already
got
the
fire
house,
which
is
not
a
problem.
I've
got
the
got
the
market
I
used
to
have
the
veterinarian,
the
other
little
strip
mall
over
there.
U
U
Wish
I
could
say
all
I'm
all
for
it
I'm
on
not
all
for
the
automobile
truck
and
trailer
parking.
I've
got
a
friend,
that's
in
the
he's
in
the
storage
business
he
doesn't
allow
on.
He
does
not
allow
construction.
Trailers
does
not
allow
construction
trucks
because
he
said
they're
going
to
be
in
and
out
all
the
time
they're
gonna
be
in
and
out
early
in
the
morning.
Late
at
night.
Now
is
this:
is
this
what
you
know
I,
don't
know
what
the
sight
shielding
is
going
to
be
for
me.
U
Is
it
gonna
be
a
six
foot
fence?
This
is
gonna,
be
an
8
foot
fence.
Is
it
gonna,
be
some
trees?
I,
don't
know
what
the
plan
is.
I
just
like
to
know
what
what
the
big,
what
the
big
plan
is,
so
that
I
don't
get
to
see
RVs
and
boats
and
stemming
and
going
at
all
hours
of
the
day
and
night
there
was
a
nice
quiet
corner,
one
time
that
the
traffic
like
you
mentioned,
the
traffic
is
getting
worse
practically
by
the
week.
U
U
It's
going
to
get
worse
and
I
can't
imagine
trying
to
pull
out
onto
there
with
with
the
RVs
and
trucks
and
big
boats
and
stuff,
like
that,
it's
going
to
be
challenging
because
the
one
side
that
that's
on
those
people
are
going
to
be
doing
55
miles
an
hour
because
that's
the
speed
limit
and
they
don't
have
to
stop
for
another
800
feet,
the
least
that's
what
they
think
so
I
don't
know
I'm
I'm,
not
totally
against
it,
but
I.
Just
I
would
like
to
see
some
I'd
like
to
see
what
the
plan
is.
U
We're
sitting
you
know,
I've
been
I,
keep
hearing
that
we're
gonna
find
out
and
I
got
these
concerns,
but
nobody
ever
answers
or
nobody
ever
knows.
What's
going
on,
that's
about
all
I
got
to
say
it's.
It's
a
sticky
situation
for
me:
I
mean
I've
gone
from
I've
gone
from
living
in
the
woods
to
living
on
the
edge
of
what
everybody
in
these
subdivisions
calls
an
unsightly
situation.
U
It's
got
to
go.
I
know
it's
got
to
go
someplace,
but
this
is
you
know
this
was
brought
on
by
all
these
subdivisions
and
other
other
rules
and
regulations.
Person
owns
a
piece
of
equipment.
They
ought
to
be
able
to
keep
it
at
their
own
house,
not
jumbled
them
all
up
into
a
big
junkyard,
very
expensive
junkyard.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
big
questions.
A
O
This
business
has
been
made
this
business
design
is,
we
may
have
been
made,
and
it
was
spoken
by
the
previous
speaker
because
of
subdivision
covenants
and
restrictions.
Most
covenant.
Restrictions
in
st.
Charles
County
in
our
municipalities
do
not
allow
the
parking
of
boats
on
driveways
jet
skis,
trailers,
commercial
trucks
in
semi
trucks.
Mr.
cling
hammer
mentioned
last
time
about
the
staff
conditions.
O
In
my
opinion,
the
staff
is
very
lean
on
conditional
use
permits
for
this,
for
staff
conditions
are
number
one
that
they
have
to
commit
to
a
site
plan
which,
in
my
opinion,
is
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
They
should
have
come
in
with
the
site
plan
done
a
responsible
plan
before
coming
before
Planning
and
Zoning
for
a
conditional
use
permit,
which
is
basically
permission
to
do
such
number
two
staff
condition.
Was
the
septic
tank
system
be
inspected?
O
In
my
opinion,
the
developer
is
very
responsible,
very
honest,
put
on
a
nice
product,
but
there
are
some
neighbors
out
there
who
have
complaints
and
have
who
also
enjoy
property
values
and
they
need
to
be
treated
fairly
along
with
the
property
owner
and
the
applicant
here
this
evening.
Mr.
Kievan
is
a
man
of
his
word
and
he
is
honest,
ethical
and
responsible,
but
not
all
storage
facilities
in
st.
Charles
County
are
responsible
and
accountable.
We
need
to
protect
the
residential
joining
property
values.
O
In
this
case
and
as
the
speaker
before
me
spoke,
there
need
to
be
affirmed,
site
plan
I.
Think
it's
a
little
hypocritical
that
the
staff
didn't
require
a
site
plan,
be
done
and
plans
be
drawn
up
firmly
before
going
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
process
and
on
to
the
County
Council
I.
Think
again,
it's
putting
the
heart
of
the
cart
before
the
horse.
O
You
know
a
conditional
use.
Permit
is
a
guarantee
to
the
county
and
to
us
is
four
hundred
twenty
five
thousand
citizens
conditional
use
permits,
as
defined
by
state
statute
or
a
defined
set
of
conditions,
the
restraints
that
are
making
the
property
owners
responsible
and
accountable
to
US
citizens.
It
provides
insurance
not
only
to
county
staff,
not
only
to
our
citizens
but
to
use
a
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
to
build
a
responsible
and
nice
community.
O
The
conditional
use
permits
according
to
state
law
or
revocable.
If
any
of
the
conditions
are
violated,
it
protects
us.
It
protects
the
conformance
of
guarantees
that
the
property
owner
will
do
what
the
conditions
are
set
up
in
a
Cu
P
conditional
use
permit
and
it's
the
right
and
responsible
way
to
run
our
county
government
I.
That
I
would
like
to
ask
to
conduct
the
following
conditions:
be
added
by
staff
and
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission,
as
I
will
seek
approval
from
the
County
Council
the
same
number,
one.
O
O
Also
that
no
license
vehicles
are
allowed
to
be
stored
on
the
property,
then
no
derelict
vehicles
flat
tires.
Broken
windows,
non
running
engines
be
stored
on
the
property
that
no
parts,
barrels
or
junk
be
stored
outside
of
any
buildings
on
the
property
that
no
materials
be
stored
outside
of
any
buildings
that
the
storage
of
tires
and
other
accumulated
goods
and
possible
accessories
to
mobile
homes,
vehicles,
bumpers,
those
type
of
things
not
be
stored
in
the
outside,
and
that,
if
there's
any
vehicles
that
are
damaged,
that
they
don't
remain
on
the
vehicle
on
the
property.
O
For
more
than
45
days,
that
there
be
a
filed,
landscaping
plan,
photometric,
luminance
playing
and
that
we
have
a
sight
proof
fence
to
protect
all
the
adjoining
property
owners.
I'm
asking
for
simple
conditions.
You
know
either
we
could
stand
up
and
say
that
we
want
responsible
and
accountable
property
owners,
or
we
could
go
to
other
joining
counties
that
around
us
that
are
a
first
or
I'm.
Sorry,
a
third
or
fourth
class
County,
where
they
don't
have
zoning
restrictions.
It's
kind
of
the
wild
wild
west
do
as
you
please.
O
You
can
have
a
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
mansion
and
you
can
have
a
ten
thousand
dollar
trailer
right
next
to
that
mansion
without
any
buffers
or
setbacks.
So
I.
This
is
my
home.
This
is
your
home.
We
want
to
instill
property
values,
we
wanted
so
some
type
of
responsibility
and
we
want
us
to
instill
integrity
into
our
zoning
districts
and
to
make
sure
that
all
parties
around
any
zoning
change
or
conditional
use
permit
is
protected.
And
if
you
talk
to
your
counsel,
mr.
O
Hazelwood
he'll
tell
you
that
a
conditional
use
permit
is
where
you
put
those
restrictions,
not
with
codes,
but
it's
another
meet.
It's
another
restriction.
You
can
hold
accountable
the
property
owner
that,
if
they
don't
need
X
to
X,
to
Z
responsibilities
that
view
as
a
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
and
the
county
council
can
revoke
that
conditional
use
permit
until
it's
brought
up
to
code.
So
it's
one
standard
that
the
law
provides
the
protects
lots
of
citizens
in
the
county
as
a
whole.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
me.
I
hope
we
change
our
ways.
O
I
hope
we
provide
for
our
comprehensive
nice
community
and
that
we
instill
a
kind
of
building
responsibility
in
these
conditional
use
permits,
rather
than
having
one
or
two
staff
lien
staff
recommendations
that
don't
have
any
meat
into
it.
You
know
you
could
say:
oh
yeah,
we
can
have
derelict
vehicles,
call
it
send
code
enforcement.
Well,
you
know
I
look
at
the
north
service
that
was
here
last
month
that
was
deplorable
for
generations.
Code
enforcement
never
went
out.
There
were
no
tickets
written
on
that
property.
Nothing
ever
happened.
O
R
M
T
T
Do
to
to
go
through
the
process
to
help
him
feel
comfortable.
I
did
offer
to
to
do
something
to
where
we
would
do
some
some
berms.
This
was
actually
on
his
property
to
and
I
said
it
would
be
at
my
cost.
I
would
put
trees
whatever.
That
would
be
to
help
the
reason
and
mr.
Cleary
the
reason
for
that
if
it
was
ever
sold
to
somebody
else.
The
reason
why
I
said
on
his
property,
those
berms
would
have
trees
that
were
on
there
and
nobody
could
touch
them.
T
That's
the
reason
why
that
I
mentioned
that,
but
as
far
as
the
dirt
going
off
of
my
property
county
is
very
stringent
on
making
sure
that
we
have,
and
they
said
the
best
is
a
mulch
berm,
which
we
have
a
mulch
mulch
berm
does
fantastic
job,
but
would
love
to
to
work
with
mr.
Hoffmeyer
and
in
any
way
and
to
make
sure
that
we
can
do
as
much
as
we
possibly
can.
Norway's
versus
or
whatever
the
case
would
would
be.
The.
G
Again,
yes,
what
a
question
you
know
and
the
permissive
use
is
an
eight-foot
site
proof
fast,
and
that
was
the
buzz
word
that
Michael
Hobart
mentioned
you
under
the
analysis
you're
proposing
a
six-foot,
that's
less
than
even
four
permissible
use.
I'm
against
that
again.
I
need
you're,
a
man
of
your
word,
as
you
said,
but
the
only
way
I
could
vote
for
this
is
some
some
way
or
your.
Your
ward
is
putting
up
some
type
of
tree
buffers
spruce
to
shield
highway,
which
is
not
written
in
here.
G
T
Those
are
set
at
nine
nine
feet
apart
so
and
so
from
trunk
to
trunk
is
nine
nine
feet
apart
to
me,
it's
always
about
having
a
healthy
tree
in
planting
them
to
close
all
the
sudden
you
get
to
where
it's
unhealthy,
but
there's
no
doubt
that
behind
in
those
gaps
we
wanted
to
put
some
Norway
spruce
I
have
no
problem
in
that
and
if
they
grow
as
fast
as
what
and
I
know,
they
are
a
fast
growing
tree.
I
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
that,
either
and
and
put
those
in
in
between.
G
G
T
Can
put
some
something
there
also,
it
is
one
that
we
want
a
healthy
something
that
is
healthy.
What
I
would
what
I'd
love
to
propose
is
something
to
wear.
If
we
would,
you
know
the
county
makes
us
put
in
so
much
there's
so
much
right-of-way
and
if
I
incorrect
is
that
a
hundred
foot
right
of
way?
Do
you
know
what
Elly.
T
F
T
T
T
G
T
If,
if
somebody
will
head
there's
a
few
things
that
the
the
taller
you
go,
the
bigger
your
poles
have
to
be
because
you
do
have
wind
in
and
in
my
guy
that
does
all
my
fencing
he's
expensive,
but
he's
great.
He
does
a
great
job
at.
It
always
recommends
this,
the
six
foot
and
the
more.
If
you're,
trying
to
do
some
kind
of
a
site.
Proof
in
your
in
your
doing
anything
with
putting
slats
in
offense.
Those
are
the
high
winds
will
bend
that
right
over.
T
G
I
T
B
T
B
T
System,
it's
all
about
percolation
and
right
now
the
the
people
have
lived
there.
30-Plus
years,
I
think
they're
the
people
that
bought
it.
However,
the
the
mom
and
dad
died,
but
the
son
that
I'm
renting
to
is
is
still
living
there.
We
don't
have
any
and
the
county
is
is
always
if
I've
got
a
problem
on
a
particular
piece
and
my
sewers,
not
working
Sandy
maze
all
over
me
guys.
It's
there's,
there's
not
an
issue
out
there
and
she's
a
tough
woman,
she's.
B
T
T
House
down
I
would
be
coming
back
in
to
tear
the
house
down
because
it's
the
house
isn't
worth
that.
Much
to
me,
I
will
tell
you
that
I
rented
out
for
350
bucks,
the
gentleman
that
that
lives
there
I
think
he
needs
a
little
help
and
I
think
that's
very
a
very
fair
price
for
something
that
that
I
think
the
guy
needs
help
and.
T
M
M
G
T
Have
like
a
tractor
trailer
you're
talking
about,
we
have
zero
trailer
trailers.
I'm,
sorry
dump
trucks
are
are
going
in
there
at
this
particular
two
for
storage,
tougher
story
for
storage,
that's
Jeanne,
Manford
yeah,
and
no,
we
just
you're
talking
about
big
trucks
for
dump
trucks
or
whatever
construction
of
Airy.
T
Very,
no,
no,
no
constraint
and,
to
be
quite
honest
with
you,
one
of
the
things
that
I
tell
my
secretary
hey:
if
they're
using
these
every
day,
don't
rent,
oh
I,
don't
want
to
be
having
I,
don't
want
to
have
if
somebody's
using
something
every
day
the
odds
of
them
hitting
somebody
else
go
up
drastically.
I
want
to
protect
the
people
that
that
are
in
my
facility.
A
C
J
T
D
T
G
G
T
C
C
No,
no,
no
I,
think
with
what
the
process
they're
reaching
out
for
is
put
the
put
this
app.
This
application
for
the
conditional
you
put
the
conditional
use
permit
application
over
the
next
two
June
in
between
now
and
June,
come
in
with
the
site
plan
that
eventually
you're
gonna
have
to
have
any.
Now
that.
T
That's
not
what
I'm
wanting
to
do.
Look
as
far
as
in
here's
the
reason:
why
is
it
I'm
not
trying
to
hide
anything
whatsoever
but
I
think
that's
pretty
detailed
of
what
they
have
so
far
and
unless
there's
something
that
you,
let's
ask
the
questions,
let's
figure
out
what
exactly
you're
looking
for
it
will
you
know,
ask
that
question
and
I'll
definitely
give
you
a
100%
answer.
No.
E
E
C
E
E
E
And
I
think
that
would
be
I.
Think
that's
what
we're
asking
for
us
is.
You
know
something
that
we
have
a
better
feel
for
what
what
you're
proposing
sure
that's
right,
so
I'm,
gonna,
I'm,
gonna,
ask
I,
know
I'm
gonna
slow
you
down
by
month,
I
apologize
for
that,
but
we
only
willing
meet
once
a
month.
I'd
really
like
to
see
something
that
gives
us
a
better
definition
of
what
you're
gonna
be
doing.
Can
I
describe
that.
T
Oh
you're,
right,
I
would
just
as
soon
not
give
up
that
month.
I
will
tell
you
that
anytime
I'm
building
these
you
want
to
build
them
in
the
in
the
fall
time
of
the
year.
You
always
get
a
drier
period,
and
this
is
the
timing
of
the
years
of
where
I'm
going
to,
if
I,
postpone
or
to
another
month,
then
I'll
be
getting
into
the
wintertime.
That's
not
a
good
time
to
be
putting
all
this
stuff
in
in
in,
and
I
yeah,
it's
gonna
be
a.
It
would
be
very
similar
to
the
other
ones.
T
E
Want
to
say
to
the
rest
of
the
Commission
I'm
willing
to
go
ahead
and
approve
this
with
the
concept
plan
that
we
have
before
us,
knowing
in
this
case
the
the
history
of
the
applicant
and
I
saw
the
faith
that
I
have
in
our
our
staff.
They've
heard
what
we
want,
and,
quite
frankly,
if
we
don't
have
it,
this
board
doesn't
but.