St. Mary's County, MD Commissioners of St. Mary's County, 23 Feb 2021

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Please come to order and welcome to our budget work session this afternoon for.

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Fiscal year, 2022, cip, bws and operating summary, and I'm going to turn it over to our.

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To jet cutmore our chief financial officer, mr president, it's okay before ms cudmore starts.

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Okay, academic emotion, I'd like to move to authorize the commissioner president to.

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Sign the employment contract for the golf course managers for the terms and conditions, as indicated.

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Second, okay, I have a first and second, all in favor of the motion. Aye any oppose. I just have it.

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Thank you, mr morgan, when I'll turn it over to ms cudmore. Thank you.

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Deputy director very good.

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Take this mask off and then put the glasses. We have enough distance, you can take it off. You sure. Yes,.

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All righty here we go. um This is really follow-up from december 2015. Again, no, not.

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2015. december 15th 2020, that's not a good sign your microphone. Oh, I have to be on the microphone.

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Maybe they didn't hear me, pull it closer to you, whatever number 15 there you go there, you go all.

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Righty, so um we have a big package in front of you the day, mainly, we want to talk about and really.

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Get through our cip for 2022 and 2027 through 2027, and then at the end, we'll kind of kind of give you.

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A brief review of where we are at our operating revenues and expenses um so hold on to your hat.

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Let's go ahead and turn so you'll see the agenda. That's on the next page and you'll see we'll go.

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Through the capital improvement budget, we have our cip group here. So if you have any questions.

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On any of the project sheets um they'll be happy to come and join us at the table. Then.

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We'll go into the operating budget, we'll talk about, like I said the revenue summary we have.

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An update on the income tax and the property tax assessments we've got um some property tax.

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Credits to talk to you about and then at the end of that we have the retiree health insurance and.

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Elected officials, we have a memo on that um that catherine will be coming up and joining us with.

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Okay and the next work session. Well, you know we're next week I I told my husband to stay in north.

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Carolina while we go through march madness, where we have our work sessions, I think commissioner,.

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Hewitt had said this morning, this is the first of the five every week through the end of march, so.

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Yeah we stay pretty busy and lots of decisions that'll be made in the next five weeks. So let's.

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Go ahead and turn all right if we go to page one, this is similar to what you saw last year. We are.

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Now balanced, our cip is balanced. All the revenue sources are balanced with all the project expenses.

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That's when jeannette did the happy dance? Okay, so you can see on this page if you start from the.

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Left hand side we start with where we were in the fy 2021 approved. You can see that we started off.

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With projects for 22 at 79.1 million, we came in with changes, reductions of 24.4 and right now, the.

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2022, cip, is at 54.7 million dollars. Okay, based on that, we actually um have bond funding. We are using.

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A prior authority that we had from the prior year of about 13.3 and new authority for 12.1.

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Which equals the 25 million, then, as I indicated, that we have roughly 7 million dollars for each.

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Year for transfer tax that we can actually apply, so I applied all those- and these are more likely.

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For projects that are like ag preservation, you know projects that are smaller in size. That may.

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Not have the life or they may not be really related to an asset.

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When we use the transfer taxes, we actually are using 785 000 of impact fees and again.

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We are on our fourth year of impact fee with the new calculation, and we really we collect them for.

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The board of ed parks and highways, and then we use the fees based on growth. So when we get to.

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That sheet in here on impact fees with I have the updated calculation you know. So if we have new.

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Seats, we can use it for the board of ed. If we have a new road, we can use those costs or if we have a.

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New park, we can use those costs, and I know that we've now submitted legislation for excise tax.

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And then we'll have to come up with a new calculation. Probably when we do the excise tax.

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Okay, but right now, while we still have the impact fee, we'll just be consistent and update.

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And use um the current calculation. So that's on page one. So this is fy 2022 we're balanced.

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And as I go through this, I know I talk fast. If you have any questions just let me know: okay,.

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Page two: this is now our budget book format with the projects that go from fy22 through fy fy2027.

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There's not much detail in here and reason being is that we have all the cip sheets in the back in.

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A separate package and then jody will go through those um based on any questions you may have.

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But just like 22 through 27 are also balanced with your revenue sources. Okay, so on page two we can.

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See highways land conservation, marine public facilities and recreation and park projects.

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And then, on page three, we go into the public school projects.

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Then, as we go through you can see, then we have the totals by capital project summary: okay,.

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So you can see for highways, it ranges in 8.8 million and it goes up to the biggest.

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Year is actually 2023 for 21 million and then below that you can see the funding by source.

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Okay, so you can see all the state and federal the impact fees that are allocated to schools.

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Roads and parks, the transfer tax, which is seven million dollars a year. I kind of.

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I made that work nicely ag regulation ag transfer. Then forestation, critical area and private funding.

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And then we have bonds bonds are always. You know the one that we kind of concentrate on.

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And you can see we start off in 22 with bonds of the 25.5, then we go to 37 and 23 all the way up to.

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8.9 million in 2027 and the average bonds over the seven six years is 25.3, so that number has.

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Actually come down um compared to past years, okay, but all the cip sheets that are on these two pages.

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Are in the back in the separate prod package? Okay, all right, then we look at page four.

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And this is our bonds by year, okay- and we kind of we need this, you know, especially when we're.

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Asking for bond authority for each year and you can see at the top left, it shows our current bond.

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Authority we've currently got 99.1 million dollars of bond authority, okay, projects that are currently.

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From fy 2021 and passed that we have not borrowed yet is 85.5, which leaves approximately 13.5.

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Million dollars a bond authority that we can use for fy 2022. all right. So if you look at.

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The first column you'll see a bunch of green. What does the green mean? The green means we're.

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Getting ready to have a bond sale this spring, so all the projects that are highlighted in green.

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In your first column are the are the funds that we'll be borrowing in the next bond sale.

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So we'll be doing adult detention center for 10.4 bridge culvert from 1.9 multi-purpose field.

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For a 5.4 recreation facility and park improvements for 2 million and then on page.

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5, it continues with some projects from the board of ed hollywood. Elementary school hvac park hall.

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And safety and security projects- all of those greens, add up to be about 29.8 million dollars.

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And then we're adding 140 000 for bond issuance cost. We actually reduced our bond issuance cost.

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The last sale we had 175 000 so based on our current in our last cost that we had last year.

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We were able to reduce it and use more money for the projects. Okay, then, you can see going.

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In the out years, 22 through 27, it shows all the projects that are using bond funding.

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All right and of and and we'll bring back, I think it's um march 16th. The resolution for.

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The bond sale, which will identify the projects um and you'll, pass that because we have to have the.

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Bond resolution approved first prior to the sale, which makes sense so also on the projects that are.

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Being sold, the 29.8 of that 16.4 million dollars is actually spent through december through january.

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31St so of course, when we sell that 30 million just like when we sold the 30 million last spring.

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We're pretty much drawing it down immediately now, when you think about drawing uh 30 million.

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Did you say fall or when was it we'll be drawing it probably the next day or within that.

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Probably in may or just go to the bond rating agencies, we do a presentation to the bond rating.

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Agencies, it's planned right now for april 14th and 15th, and we plan to sell. I think it's may.

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Okay, so may, and may yes and then we'll close by may 25th got it okay. So as soon as we close.

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We'll be drawing down the majority of that 28 million dollars, because right now, through january.

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We've already spent almost 17 million dollars right now. What I'm getting at is I'm what I'm.

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Reading tea leaves I'm reading wall street journal and whatnot is rates, are going up.

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Yes, pressure on rates bond yields are going up, so rates are going to be gone right. Okay, all right.

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And again, yes, like I've, said in the past, when we sell bonds, it's based on cash flow.

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So when we get to a certain amount of expenditures, that's when we start planning the next bond sale.

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So that's when I identified I think last october we needed to start the process because we had.

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Exceeded the 10 million. So that's how much since one more time you've ex the 10 million was our.

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Policy goal, but we're up to 17 now right and the reason we've gotten so high is we've just.

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We're spending the money yeah, we understand that part, but we haven't gone and asked for.

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It no, we haven't no we'll be asking for it when we sell this spring. Okay,.

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Okay, alrighty page six is um the updated debt capacity. um The way it's about our cip is balanced.

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And we are well within our debt: affordability measures. Okay, we just got our constant yield.

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Letter which I'll be talking about a little bit later when I get to the operating, but with that.

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It actually increased the assessment, for if you see the box, where fy22 is it actually increased.

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The assessment um to 16. 13.6 billion, okay, which was really a 3.2 percent, increase over the 2021.

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So how I do the projections on this is I take the three years I take the 1.8 from 2020 the 2.7.

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And 21 in the 23.2 and 22. take an average of that that gave me the growth.

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For the out years of the 2.5 percent okay, so that means if our accessible base is at.

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Is grown by 2.5, it allows us to have our that we take that times. The 2.15 percent, our.

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Debt limit to give us our debt margin the amount of debt that we're allowed to have.

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Okay, so you can see the first yellow line that goes across our outstanding debt, as a percent of.

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Base, you know we're currently 1.85 percent in fy 22, and this of course includes the debt of metcon.

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And then our highest year is in 2026 at 2.13 percent. Tell me I know we only go back to 2020.

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And I've been sitting here since what 14 or 16 whatever you're with bottom line is? Is it.

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We've been flat for a long time, yes, and now we're starting to come out of that flat and it seems to.

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Be pretty dramatic that 3.2 I mean that was. I was surprised that some of those uh well that's.

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The assessment growth- it's really related to that, so so the two five could be conservative. Yes, yes,.

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But isn't it fair to sit there and say that assessment growth that took place in 2022 is.

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Because of the new assessments that came out, which wrapped basically all my district, the southern.

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Part of the county into it group three, so all the they don't they don't put the southern part.

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I thought that was that was next year that we got this year. No, it was in district three, so this year,.

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This year is the south end, which is lexington park and south, and that was what attributed.

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A tremendous amount of growth over these years because of the increase in the assessment.

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Priority of the commercial property? Okay: I got you so you're talking lexington park south.

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And north lexington park- actually it's california, hollywood and then yeah right and I've got the map.

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In the back, so you can see. Okay, the point is the point I'm trying to make here is that the increase.

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Is due to the proximity of the neighborhoods that are being assessed this time right, so it.

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Is the southerner of the county, the base, the contractors all that kind of stuff.

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And that's why I use because it's a triennial assessment and that's why I do an average of.

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Three years for this, I don't. I want the public to understand that it's not an anomaly, it's just the.

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Way the third year works in the cycle of what it is. But but do you think that, when lexington park.

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Gets hit, it's always higher than say the other two districts. I think that when they assess lexington.

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Park every so many years, every three years, three years, yeah the growth that lexington park occurs.

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Is is higher than the rest of the county? I agree. There's also a big increase in commercial.

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Property value right this last time they made a big jump right. It was commercial property value.

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Right way out, and then you could rightly figure that might be 3.2 this year, but next year, when.

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You go back up to the north end of the county. You think it could come. The numbers should drop.

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At least that's how it's always in 11 years, I've been doing this. That's generally, the way.

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It works. I can't pretend I know it was flat for a long time todd it was like you know. I.

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Remember get three years in a row of the same uh one percent, one percent right, yeah, right or very.

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Little, no, I think our assessments are finally starting to get to where they almost need to be.

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But we're finally starting and it's not just saint mary's county, it's the state, it's national.

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We took a dip, there's a there's, a chart in here when we get to that and I'll show you where you.

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Can see that it drops and now we're starting to come back up for the statewide okay, so that.

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Brings us down and thank you, commissioner, morgan, so you can see that that brings us to the middle.

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And again, like I said, um the average bond per year is about 25.3 million. So then we applied.

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We took that and I applied you'll see the gob line where it shows 223 2021. Those are the bonds that.

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Came from the sheets prior that get put into this calculation and then on that line, where it shows.

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New bonds on issued, I tried to keep that because on average we've been about 30 million each year.

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So you're you're you're getting the bonds you're spending it. It almost takes you two years to spend.

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So that's kind of where, when I get around 60 million dollars, I try to keep it 60 or lower.

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So that I know so that's why I kind of determine how much of a bond that we might need each year.

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Okay, so you can see we're currently getting ready for the sale for 30 million. We sold 30 million.

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Last year and 22, I'm projecting about we'll need a 20 million dollar sale in what year, please and 22.

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Next year, okay and again, we, the timing of the bond sale, is based on bond expenditures. Okay,.

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All right and then from there you can see at the bottom. We have our general fund operating budget.

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Based on what we have now, as this is recurring operating budget and yes, we do see an increase.

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This year and I'll talk about that later and then we apply that next to our debt service.

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Expenditures that are above and then that's our other measure. We have our outstanding debt.

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As a percent of base, which I already told you and we are at 1.85 percent right now- our debt.

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Service as a percent of revenues for 22 is 5.62 percent and the policy is to keep it below 10.

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So we are well within our measures, so you're doing a great job. So when you're going to talk.

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About this jump in operating revenues from 248 to 265 a little bit okay, let me get through on cip.

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Okay, all right um page, seven jody's going to talk about um the operating impacts.

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Yes, on page seven details the operating impacts of the capital improvement projects for fiscal.

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Years, 23 through 2027 we've had two changes since our last meeting. The first is the animal shelter.

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Increase of 88 000- and this was actually um the overall impact- didn't change. It's just the.

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Change from 22 to 23., so it's just a difference between those two years.

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Is it fts or well it's it's the increase from 22 compared to 23, so they had.

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Less of a cost in 22, so the change is greater than 23., but the overall is not greater.

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Because it's an incremental change! Okay, I mean I'm, you know I'll. Let you I'm just worried about this.

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Animal shelter with I'm hearing about tier two plus I'm hearing about you know the earth worked.

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And now it's you know, do they want another vet or do they want? I mean it's just a lot of moving.

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Pieces out there with that animal shelter, yes, so, okay! Thank you. You're welcome and the second item.

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Is the emergency communication center expansion that cost was added? That's seventeen thousand.

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Nine thirty five. Now I looked at that. That's six hundred and thirty five dollars per square foot.

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I just for the uh ems expansion. Let me flip to that see. Well again, I hate to take you off yeah.

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I know you're on a roll and we'll probably get to it at some point yeah. Those are the only two.

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Changes so we had a bunch of reds in mind so, okay, so when we get to the cip, I can wait. Okay,.

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All right page eight is the updated impact fee. Calculation.

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Alrighty so last year our calculation, our actual calculation, was it ranged from four forty nine.

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Hundred four thousand nine hundred eighty nine down to five thousand six, eighty six based on.

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Dwelling you can see that year, three fee fy, twenty twenty one. So again we calculate the fee. The same.

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Way we use a number of items and variables that help us calculate it. We'll start at the top.

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You'll see the average annual new residential dwelling units that paid an impact fee for the.

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Most recent fee, the average is 276., so that number was updated and we get that information.

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From land use and growth management, then we have the median residential sales by quarter.

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Annualized, that's 309 820, that is the average sale of st mary's county homes for fy 2020.

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And you'll remember that that number actually went up last year. It was 289.

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So I have that information that one sheet that shows all the residential sales for the state.

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Is on page 28 and we'll go through those when we get there, the taxable household accounts, the 47.

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449 comes from the treasurer when she runs the levy in august, okay and then the estimate for.

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The population comes from the um department of chamber of commerce, their brief economic facts.

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Okay and then from that it calculates the people per household, so like we did last year, we start.

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With what are the assets we had to change the calculation because of the drop in enrollment.

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For the board of ed, we no longer had schools in the cip, new schools, and that was part of.

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The original calculation, so what we did last year um we actually are going to now. We were.

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Calculating schools the same way we calculate roads and recreation parks to be consistent.

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So we take the actual cost of the assets in the audit. We divide that by the population and then.

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We end up with a cost per person that times the persons per household comes up with a board of.

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Ed calculation of 8437., they are 57.06 of the impact fee. We do the same thing for roads. We.

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Took their assets again took an estimate divided it by the estimated population to get a cost per.

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Person times the persons per household that brings them to 5547, which is 37.51 percent of the fee.

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And then the round out, we have parks and recs and their assets are lower at 38 million and the same.

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Calculation, bringing their fee up to 802.. That brings the total impact fee associated with each.

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Dwelling unit at fourteen thousand seven, eighty five, but based on how the um the study group came.

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Up with years ago, less the average debt associated with capital projects, we do a calculation on the.

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Average debt for the last five years, it's 65 percent that number increased last year.

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The average debt was 59 percent for the prior five years. So the reason why we back that out.

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Is because our for our debt in our cip, the debt service is paid in the general fee fund.

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And remember your and your general fund is funded by the property tax, so we don't.

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We didn't want to tax people twice or charge them twice, we're already charging them for the.

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Debt service from their property tax same thing with we didn't want to charge on the same group.

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Because we receive transfer tax, so that's where less the transfer tax and that's what one percent.

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Of the actual sales, so when we get that, so we take the 309 the median residence.

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Rental sales per quarter times one percent and that's where we back out 3098, so that we don't.

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Have that part of the calculation, because that's we're collecting, transfer taxes for that part, so.

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That takes the 14 less the average debt of 9 600 less the amount we plan on collecting for.

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Transfer tax down to a 2077., now you're saying: well, that's pretty low! Well, it is low, but because.

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We started this phase in the numbers were higher and you can see if you go down at the bottom.

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Year, one the fee ranged from six thousand seventy one to six thousand. Sixty four hundred.

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That's when we had the board of ed projects in here and the calculation was a lot higher.

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And the same thing with the year, two, those were actually higher too, and then you can see that.

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We dropped down to four thousand um 989 in 2021 well, because the fees were higher, we're taking.

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The combination of what the fee was last year and reducing it by the change in the fee for this year.

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To kind of get to where the phase in is okay, so realistically so right now, the year four fee.

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Is 3325 for 22? That's for your dwelling of zero to 11.99 3604 for the next dwelling size and then.

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2400 square foot and above 3881. So if you take that average fee which to me, I calculated 3603.

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Based on the dwellings that times, the number of in dwelling permits the 276, it comes up pretty.

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Much with your annual collections of roughly 994 000 and that's pretty close to what we've been.

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Collecting for the last couple of years, okay, so that's been following estimates: revenue estimates.

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Yes, actual has been found yep, so we we collect the revenue and then we apply it to the projects that.

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Are related to growth? Now I know when we change and when we get the excise tax approved, and I.

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Think that's supposed to start, I think, based on the current legislation, I think fiscal year 2023.

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Hopefully, when it gets proved we'll have to get another calculation, we should not be using the.

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Same calculation because we'll be wanting to collect it, maybe from different groups and then.

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Use it for different ways, so I think at that time we're probably going to have to have another study.

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Done or have a consultant come in here and help us calculate what the estimated excise tax will be.

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For the county, I think what the public should notice, while this number is going down.

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One of the significant reasons is education sure because we're not building new schools right. We.

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Are not collecting the impact fee up front for that school right? Hence the money doesn't come.

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In but simultaneously the monies that the state allocates down here is based upon a formula.

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And saint mary's has been penalized in the formula because we haven't had the enrollment.

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Increases necessary to justify a new school that we're working on a formula. That's just.

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Based upon what we have done in the past, which is to renovate recondition repurpose, the schools to.

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A better usage right and unfortunately, annapolis has changed the rules around a little bit and.

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That's just the way it is right: okay, yeah and because the renovation of a project or a school.

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Is not the same thing as adding a new school, so we don't use the impact fee money for renovating.

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A school so that's where we're using more bond funds or we're using the transfer tax to help.

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Supplement that, but the impact fee is coming down for that the others are going up correct right, but.

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I really believe that once we get that excise tax, when that gets passed, that we probably should have.

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A consultant and we'll have to discuss that next year for the 2023 during the 22 and then maybe you.

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Know see if we can get some help in calculating well with the excise tax. We could look at the.

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Renovations and factor that into the excise tax right without being restricted by the impact fee.

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And its worth, but but tell me, someone wants to do multi-family, like someone's putting up an.

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Apartment building with you know, one two, three bedroom apartments in it. I would assume that the.

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One bedroom, if it's under 1200 square feet pays I mean, does that whole structure pay one fee or.

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Does each individual unit, I think it's for each individual dwelling unit, okay, so.

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Yeah, so if you've got 20 in there, gonna have 20, uh and if it's 10 under 12 you'll have 10 of those.

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Right, okay, yeah and illegal can correct me if I'm wrong, but I mean I think it's per dwelling unit.

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Yeah yeah, it doesn't matter if it's single-family, home or.

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Right, it's based on the um dwelling size, yeah, okay, so more to come on impact feeds, but that.

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Is our actual calculation for fy 2022.? Well, I think you just leave them where they are.

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Because you not really want to fool with this, I mean I see you're looking for a prove impact fee.

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Calculation right at the updated calculation- so I mean, is now the time to make that, if you'd like to.

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Have a vote that would be great well, I believe that we should keep it the way it is until we.

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Figure out what happens with the excise tax you're saying to keep the okay, this formulation, you have.

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Going on here, oh yeah, oh, keep the calculation the way we're using it yes and use the updated.

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Calculation for fy22 yeah and then when the new, whatever comes out of a nap, then we'll have a new.

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Calculation to approve at that time correct, I agree, so the motion would be to approve.

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The five-year phase-in plan for the county impact fee- that's currently at the current.

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Rate which would be, according to our chart year, four fee fiscal year, 2022 the phase in rate.

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That's my motion. You get that motion the county minister. Yes, thank you. Okay, okay, we.

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Have a motion: do you have a second second, any discussion, all those in favor aye any oppose.

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How's that, thank you very much all right. Okay, that's exciting! I love direction.

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All right so then we go on page nine and then we've got about what five or six cip sheets. That.

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Jody will go over the changes and um we have the cip group behind us. So if you'd like to have them.

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Come up while we're discussing their sheets, they can have a seat right over here, okay. Well, I had.

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Okay, did you have another question? No, I had a question about this. The starting on the.

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Cips, oh okay, you're, the lady she's, the lady, now tell me uh it looks like the jail I'm assuming.

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Everything's going as planned with that there's no overruns or anything, that's no bad soils or.

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Anything that's talk about the adult detention center on paper. Yes, yes, yes, I'm sorry, pf, 1709, yeah,.

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Okay, page nine page nine adult detention center is that going fine there, uh director dietrich.

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Construction has been going quite well, I'm pleased to remember. We don't have any.

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Surprises you haven't run into any anything. You didn't expect every day, but I'm I don't want to be.

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Flippant but there is support, but the team has really done a great job and.

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Handling them and keeping to it to the budget. Okay, we're really happy with it.

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Yeah they did a uh you know when I looked at the weekly report, which is the daily sheets from each.

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Day and the photographs, and all that it just it's fantastic, it's really coming together well,.

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But if I look at this anticipated project, completion is june 22., so we're looking at.

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Staffing, I know the sheriff has requested him for staffing, but my point gets to be: do.

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We need the staffing ahead of the facility if we don't have the facility, until until june of 22.

D

Is it reasonable to think we you're figuring that june 22 looks pretty good because that's that's.

D

My question yeah: I can't speak to that. I won't well. No, do you think it'll be done by june? 22. Do.

D

You think the building will be done. We, yes, uh the renovation uh to the existing structure is kind of.

F

The next part, and that's going to be a very as you know, when you rehab anything it's a slow process.

D

Again so, but that'll get us done in june, 22. yeah, okay, then I'll use june of 22 as a good day.

D

All right, I was just trying to understand if we're having any potential problems here.

F

Knocking him with no, I don't know if anybody else has a question all right and then again to the.

D

Animal shelter, that's the next one, that's the next one page 10.. Okay. I saw that personalized services.

D

uh Go to 762 000 personal services. Now we got to put our own people in there. Are we putting.

D

Contracted help in there I mean help me out with that one more time. So when you, when you look when.

E

You receive the operating impact request or the operating request for the animal shelter you'll.

E

See a request, one for startup costs to open the shelter which is anticipated the last month of the.

E

Fiscal year 2022 then you'll see 1 12 of annual operating expenses on another ecc, and then um this.

D

Is kind of going through a couple years couple different years right and then you'll see the.

E

Staffing request where the project manager starts on january 1 and the rest of the staff start.

E

Month, 11 of the year, so these costs are then, when you go to 2023 you're, going to have your first.

E

Full year impact of these costs of the annual operating that's another budget year. In my opinion,.

E

Yeah, that's this 2023! Yes, so these costs reflect what's in the operating budget request.

D

Well, I guess my point is that 23 years going to be a a whopper because we're going to have the.

D

Jail opening about the same time, we've got the animal shelter opening right. Yes, yeah, yes, okay,.

D

Well, that's a true thing to know: okay, okay, page 11 is the emergency communication center. Where.

E

They've added some operating impact for 2024 with the details in the discussion section.

D

Okay, this is the one that's 630 dollars a square foot, 3.4 million dollars.

D

Was for the sheriff's office at 50 and we're basing I mean, do we need bulletproof glasses.

D

That work I mean we're not going to have holding cells and stuff in there are we, I think it's a hardened facility. Isn't it but isn't it already a hardened.

D

I mean earl last term, we did a roof on there to withstand 200 mile an hour winds or something.

D

I just wonder what they're doing for six hundred and thirty dollars per square foot we're.

F

Actually, kind of expanding the building in all directions to fill the available space again.

F

That's an ex and doing some renovations. So again, that's pretty expensive construction work.

F

And also we have to keep them in full operation during the project. Okay, so the expansion includes.

D

Approximately 2 360 square feet and you're gonna do that for two point: three: four million dollars.

D

That's correct: it was like a lot yeah it. It is high because again we're keeping the existing.

F

Operation going while we renovate it's kind of like flying the airplane occupying while you're.

D

Putting it together an occupied school and uh but to exp to brick to pull the walls out.

F

uh All you know on on all four sides of the building, uh adding all that hurricane proof.

F

Work again very expensive construction, but it's very important for this facility to be expanded.

F

As well as being secure, I mean it, wouldn't it wouldn't be cheaper for us just to build another.

D

Building say where garvey center currently sits, there's still people in the garvey center now.

D

Well, hopefully, when the other one opens they'll move over there, but you'll still.

D

Have people over in this building when it's all said and done where, wherever.

F

There is a transition plan that we've worked on, uh but that's some time off and the eoc when fema.

F

Came in and mema came in to evaluate the facility um steve and I talked about that and they came.

F

Down pretty hard on our existing facility being too small and not being adequate to handle a major.

F

Event: okay, I mean I'm not trying to speak. Steve would have you'd have to.

F

Talk to steve, you get more detail on that, but that's my understanding when we talk to them.

B

Mr dietrich does the 630 dollars per square foot include the 20 contingency 20, contingency.

F

Yes, that's 20 contingencies, built into the project. It is 630 square foot correct, so that be what mike.

B

12 126 dollars off per square foot, if you, if you make it without contingency, that's a pretty good.

D

Contingency but well it's a huge contingency, huge yeah, so they've banked a lot of money for extras.

B

Tbd, I guess uh it's it's just this phase of the project we're in right now, until we get.

F

uh Concept, design done, that's something more is in the sketch. uh Gary whipple did.

F

That's we need to carry that much. I guess the point that I would say. I think, commissioner, hugh.

B

Agree with me, it'd be really nice. If we can come in under 630 dollars, a square foot.

B

Recognizes a 20 contingency in the bill, so 20 on two million three hundred forty two thousand is a.

B

Half million dollars correct yeah. uh One thing we always try to do is give money back uh and.

F

Of course it doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

F

And uh it's just a very expensive difficult to figure out project that we got to do.

F

The 6 30 does this 6 30 also include a relocation of any utility lines and.

A

Things like that also water line in there that I know about I'm not sure about the rest. Okay,.

A

This also includes some certain amount of uh also construction, you're tearing down stuff. You got.

A

Right walls, you have to move and right I mean your effect. 630 square feet includes.

A

All of this, because you get into tearing something down and putting something new up.

A

There's a lot more cost involved right and we got to keep again the buildings secure and operating.

F

At the same time, while we're doing it right and most of the expansion goes out and takes.

F

Out that extra little strip of roadway you see the animal control officers are using right now.

F

Right, right and uh they'll be shifted over uh to the animal shelter.

A

Right so eventually yeah. I hope the animal shall be open before this is done. Yeah correct, right.

D

Well help me with my arithmetic, you know so we're looking at total cost 2 million 340 to 400 for.

D

Two thousand three hundred and sixty square feet that looks like a thousand dollars square foot.

D

I mean, I know I'm being rudimentary here, but when I take that number and.

D

Divide two hundred and two thousand three hundred sixty square feet into it. That's.

D

Looks like that square footage high, as prices are higher than I mean you guys got mbas and business.

D

You ought to be able to do that. Arithmetic too, but uh I I look at this project and you know I've gone.

G

Back and forth on it several times, not only for the expense, but the effectiveness of it um and the.

G

Fact that they got to stay in operation um which drives the price up, I know mima and fema came down.

G

And said the facility's too small, but that's also based on how it's laid out currently so.

G

I don't think we're getting the best bang for our buck out of this at all. You know when you.

G

Look at the fact that we have the garvey center and those they can be moved about.

G

And people are being moved, there's no reason that administrative offices can't be separate.

G

From the secure facilities I mean it's, it's commonplace. So when you look at who's doing what.

G

There's no reason that the garvey building couldn't be secured.

G

And utilize that office space that's over there, you know ncic things like that. They got to be.

G

Behind the secured doors things you know when we're doing it, but the eoc, I don't understand.

G

Why we can't move administrative support services over to the garvey building, saving us a.

G

Significant amount of money and thereby opening up the space in that facility. I.

F

There's actually not a lot of space available in the garvey center. It's just basically.

F

The old exercise room in in the old kitchen, because uh laurie harris's staff still occupies.

F

And it's actually a fairly small building and they occupy the rest of that building by the upstairs.

A

And a small part of the yeah, the first bathroom back in there yeah I've got the exercise area.

A

Kitchen and then there was a recreational room, all right that could all be used. I mean.

A

I don't know how big that you're right, it's not that big, but how many of them are staying.

A

Over there, that's that's just just uh no just uh harris's group. You stay in there. Yeah also.

H

Have animal control leaving this building too? Well! That's that's, of course, the other point you have.

G

Animal control that's leaving as well, which is going to open up, so it opens up about two.

A

Two or three more offices over there that will be open right into the building yeah I mean there's.

G

The uh yeah you have the backup center as well, which why that's not the greatest facility to want.

G

To do I don't know how that's going to be upgraded but yeah to a certain extent. You almost feel like.

G

You got to use what you have already, especially when you're in current operations I mean this is.

A

Has anybody looked at moving some of the administrative staff over here.

A

For somewhere else other than staying there yeah well, we did go through a square footage study.

F

Dr bridgette ran that about a year seems like he's been a while yeah and a key to that is potomac.

F

Building and uh getting the hvac system and some other items renovate you know, get that done.

F

And then we can get make better use of that building uh right now we don't have any real.

F

Swing space, you know, with the board of elections moving into the the old armory building. That was.

F

Really it and uh alcohol beverage control uh kind of you know spread out in that building. The second.

F

Floor is the archives of that old, sheriff's building and we're pretty tight right now.

A

Okay, well I'll tell you where you can help me. I figured out where you got your 6 35, because.

D

It does talk about the preliminary planning phase estimate for construction is a million.

D

487 thousand, so I see how you got your 630 square foot, but what would be helpful is, I guess, any kind.

D

Of construction, I'm familiar with the total cost is divided into the square foot. I mean that would.

D

Include the engineering, the inspection work, the utility relocation, it's all part of the project.

D

So if you could help us out with, I don't see a million 487 in anywhere.

D

I see construction work, a million 7 84 400, but if you could help me out with how you got to.

D

You got a building, 2 360 square feet and you're spending, 2 million 342 000. If you could re-figure.

D

That and help me out with what's paying for what. Because even if you had a million 487.

D

But then you go down for another 75, then another 175 50.

D

Well, maybe it's a 20 percent contingency todd, maybe that that's all I can think of.

A

Yeah, that's all the I guess there too, that's added in there. Obviously, these included 1.7 correct.

A

So the yeah it's in the construction, the 20 percent contingency- brings out to 1.7.

A

Right, it's still a hell of a lot of money. What is it ever wow for 2 000 square feet.

G

I mean wow, that's that's taj, mahal, no yeah, but I mean that's. Why for 2 000 square feet I mean.

G

So many other things you could do well again uh give us some clarity on that.

D

If you, maybe you already have, but is it twenty percent a reasonable number.

F

In my opinion, it is given the early stage of this project.

D

And before we talk about how we get actually move exterior walls out figure out how to do that.

F

While keeping the building running so forth, I mean you essentially have to build the outer shell over.

F

The existing building and then go back in and start cheaper things, something else build another.

D

Building- and I mean if you're moving animal serve animal warden or whatever so commissioners would.

I

You like us to bring this one back next week with the space needs study about where all those folks.

I

Were moving yeah now yeah, I think the space needs to study, but also at the same time, I think that.

G

Mechanicsville volunteer fire department in golden beach has their building that they want to do a.

G

A swap on basically uh alleviating alleviating their payments, um so I I think that may be.

G

Something to look at for space for emergency services that is significantly less expensive.

G

It can store equipment, there's office space, there's plenty of things there. I we need to start.

G

Looking a little outside of the box when it comes to, I would say location-wise would be an issue.

D

Though, but it's part of a bigger, far away yeah, it's pretty far away, but that's a half hour 40.

B

Minutes away, that's a little bit further than the normal person we want to drive for these things.

D

Anyway, this one, this one just gives me pause, because the 630 seems low.

D

Considering what I'm getting, but it's way too high- I don't know, maybe it's so we'll revisit that one.

D

And bring it in this one looks like a complicated product to build a building over a building.

D

Right here now, I don't know that's what we're that's. The plan.

F

But uh you know we'll come back to you. Maybe there's something we'll see when we go back.

F

Through that space needs study, that'll either find another alternative, or you know until we move the.

F

Sheriff's office out of the uh the patuxent building, there's not going to be a large block.

F

Of space available anywhere, not only that but you're building a building over a building but.

G

We own that parking lot out there, so I mean what do based on how much parking we have what we can.

G

Do I don't know why the building couldn't go out? You know, and that would be way less expensive than.

G

The uh the ladder- so I think, maybe there's some options that need to be looked at here. uh There.

G

Definitely is okay: yep come back to you next week. Is our new fancy calculator come up with this.

B

Number, our estimating calculator and we have the new yeah we're gonna go back through this.

B

I'm just saying: do we use the estimating calculator to come up with these numbers.

B

uh It means and then uh working with uh steve on uh costs that he's got from other locations.

F

Okay, thank you right and then going back to that original cost to put the new roof.

F

And the storm shutters and do the all you know the uh the hardening of the building.

F

Originally that gary actually ran that project. So so we can come back next week with more.

C

Information on this project- yeah, I'd, be glad to and since we're building space here, that could see.

A

It seems to be office space administrative space, how much hardening do we have to have for that.

A

Is that part of the I know we got a superior 9-1-1 center things like that, but how much.

A

Is this hardening cost in the part of this? You know, 8 20 come back to you with all okay, okay,.

A

Okay, good, okay, we'll bring that back in next week. Is that right, okay, sure, okay, good moving on okay.

D

I was just going to talk about the fire and rescue loan. Well, that's on the next page.

C

Yeah now I think this would be the ideal time if we're going to, I think, there's enough consensus.

D

On this board that we want to give second district back to eighty four thousand dollar.

D

Recreation, I agree no, but I also believe that bay district did their building, so did mechanicsvilles.

D

I can't imagine who else uh rescue squad did theirs.

D

That you take a look and see what that total number I mean, I don't expect you have it now, but.

D

Come back at a later date with what that total number would be to refund those funds to.

D

Those entities that paid it in I don't know uh what makes sense as far as how how far.

D

Back we go, I know when hollywood built their building what 30 years ago or how, many years ago,.

D

They built it for three million bucks. Now I've been driving by that beautiful second district.

D

Firehouse down there that thing's gonna be uh that thing's gonna, be it right and I have, and I have.

D

Actual cash mahal, but that baby's gonna be nice. It's a good building huge. I have information from.

C

The clerk's office on who was paid the recreation tax, I think from a number of years ago, okay,.

D

Depending on the type of loan um that determine who paid and when, but I have that information.

C

And I can provide that to you again it's about fairness right compared to all the departments.

A

Okay, uh getting back to fire and rescue revolving loan fund. Do we have any questions on this.

A

Or do you want to go through the changes we just deferred.

E

um The hundred thousand dollars that we need to contribute from 2023 to 2024, based on the.

E

The request we received from the fire departments and rescue squads- okay.

E

Turning to page 13, it's the radio system upgrades this is a new project submitted since our last.

E

Meeting- and I think steve is in the lobby, if you'd like him to talk about the new project when that.

D

Harris motorola thing supposed to be the end-all be-all we're done, but I guess these radios got to.

D

Be upgraded here he comes this. Is that maryland? First, you upgrading your radios again, okay, good.

J

So that was all my uh consolets. Is that yes, so if you recall, when we were building out and.

J

Finishing the harris tower system, one of the big discussions from our fire departments was.

J

We have to be able to talk to calvert and talk to the other counties right.

J

So that's what this does. These consolets allows us to use the maryland first system and allows us to.

J

Talk directly to calgary, so that's the end of that project and we've been waiting for that to occur.

J

But but motorola I'm sorry, the state of maryland and calvert has now come to the point where we're.

J

Ready to do to do that. That's what congratulations! I'm sorry! Congratulations! So what are these.

G

The translation devices from harris to motorola correct okay and they look like base stations. But.

J

They're a lot more advanced, but again it allows us to talk directly to them and without that.

J

Do we have any other gaps that we need to fill in that radio communication world there's a.

J

Couple other improvements we can do, but we have a lot on our plate right now and a lot of our.

J

A lot of other expenses so we'll get there in the next year or two, but no sir. I think again.

J

Knock on wood, we're we've been going good. I think for almost two years now and very happy to say.

D

Good good, I know this commissioner, doesn't want to go through a harris. Motorola thing.

J

No, I don't think, there's a need, uh but I think now we've got to maintain it and make sure it.

J

Continues to work. Okay, I mean it's important. Everybody communicates. Thank you, steve. Okay,.

E

Page 14 is our regional meat processing facility. Some language was updated, basically, who's doing.

D

This one is this discussions, so just an update. We had a meeting with the um smatic.

I

And the redline version is an approved copy with the department of uh economic development. The ag.

I

Division and somatic and chris castellinus begged off this afternoon, but he normally would present.

I

This, and so you might remember when we came to uh before the holidays, we were looking at the any.

I

Synergy between north county farmers, market and the and the rack, and so this now is a standalone.

I

Project and it's updated and that's what you see in the project description, but it seemed.

D

Like we had some issues with uh estimates that some some estimates were two million seven and.

D

Some estimates were four million, and did we ever figure out what that happened with that.

F

We currently have an rfp out waiting for responses next week for a design consultant who will have.

F

An expert on the team that knows how to do this because, quite honestly, we don't.

F

uh We're not experts in me processing is a real number yeah, so the idea is for them to.

F

Give us a concept design for a a uh you know facility that we can get done for 2.7. There.

F

On the charlotte hall convenience center site, let me I'll preface that yeah help me out with it I'll.

B

Be glad to um as we do projects around here over these years we have a tendency to just pile on.

B

Tell me what you mean by that projects get well: they just grow in scope and size, okay, okay, so.

B

What we've done on this one is: we've made it very clear to somatic and a few other people.

B

This is your budget and we're gonna live with this budget, whether you like it or not, okay, and so as.

B

You see there's a lot of red lines in the middle of that paragraph. Those are the sort of add-ons.

B

That you know the fluff that would oh, wouldn't it be nice to have a tv room and a little. You know.

B

A few amenities, so the amount has been slashed. This is the number somatic understands very.

B

Clearly, what's going on, um dr bridge and I've had numerous conversations on this so there's the.

B

Number and you're going to live with the number okay, so we're going to build it for this number.

D

I'm just not sure what we're going to get for the number that's about right, but we know we're gonna.

B

Get we're gonna get a lot of what we want, but you might not get all this. Let's hope it's not.

D

Six hundred and thirty dollars a square foot to build. I don't disagree with you yeah it just.

D

This this whole thing, because I I heard from people saying mike you can't do it for this.

D

It's going to be more, it's going to be over 4 million. I think that.

B

Was when the flood of the fluff was being added in yeah my words a lot of what fluff.

D

Thanks a lot yeah good, but I guess what I was hearing that it was.

D

It wasn't practical with the location because of this drainage or the.

D

Sewage or whatever, was an issue with uh drain fields and site work. Is that all been figured out.

B

I don't know the answer to that one. I hope it has with the 2.7 million. Is that a first statement.

F

Yeah we they have to be able to get the basic meat processing facility and the cold storage.

F

uh Facility in there for 2.7 on that site, including everything, but they they're going to.

D

Have septic because I know they can't they don't have any. We have to build yeah. We have to build a.

F

Fairly large septic system, the exact sizing of that is critical to the cost. Obviously, and that's.

F

Why, when in the rfp, we want to make sure there's somebody who's done this before? Okay, when you.

D

Think you're going to get your head around the actual cost and what we're going to get for the.

D

Actual cost we're going about six months after we get the contract awarded to the consultant.

D

This is like february of 2021. What are we talking? Probably no, no. I know it's february 2021. what day.

D

Are you talking about yeah, so we so yeah, so we're probably uh september august september yeah right.

G

Staff wouldn't mind just putting something together on this one. For me, I've gotten.

G

Quite a few questions um from people in the north end of the county, uh in particular golden beach.

G

Protectionals, civic association and some other people that frequent the farmers market they just.

G

Want some more information on it, yeah we're happy to put a one-pager together for the commissioners.

I

Yep on specifically again golden beach, patuxent, no civic, association, okay, but you asked to have it.

I

For you, so we can give it to the commissioners and then it's a public document that it that's fine.

B

Yeah, absolutely right so, like the golden beach folks worry about the record. They want to know.

B

About the north county farmers market, the iraq: well, they want to know about the rack yeah.

G

The farmers market- they don't have a problem with they just they want to know about this. There's no.

G

Opposition, they just want to know about it. They think it's a good idea, four or five miles away.

B

Yeah well, well I I concur. I mean everybody kind of wants to know what we got here. I agree. I'm.

B

Not arguing with I just yeah yeah, that's also a descript, basically a description. We probably.

F

Already have it yeah, I mean yeah, the ins and outs of it. They read about it in the newspaper.

G

I started getting some calls, so it was a mistake in the newspaper. Yes, that's what I want to add.

F

Some clarity, I'm so surprised, I don't know where he got that graphic, but it definitely wasn't the.

F

Right one now, the next one page 15 this shannon farm property, getting a lot of people down there.

D

Who don't like the idea and want to be entranced and this, and that it sounds like it's getting its.

D

Share of uh pushback, so the plan is to have the entrance through the homegrown farmers market.

D

All the people I've been in touch with down there. No, no! I agree. I agree. I agree, I mean it's changed.

D

With that coming in and I'm not trying to say, I disagree, what you're saying commission call.

D

But I'm saying we're talking about another three million dollars or 202 million seven.

D

Or whatever three million dollars for this uh shannon farms? Now what what you have down there.

D

Don't you have elms beach, what five miles away correct and the need for this shannon farm is.

D

Is predicated on almost beaches overrun or no just additional uh access to the bay uh the purchase so.

K

I'm looking for a passive recreation and access to the bay. That's the general mission of the project.

B

So if I let me try to explain, help stand up farm some time ago, yeah and on top of shannon farm. We.

B

Put the homegrown farmers market and I believe most, the homegrown farmers market was paid for.

B

By tobacco dollars, there's still been a big requirement or request to have more access.

B

To the bay, so one of the questions or statements that came up is we're going to build a road off.

B

Long lane, back in what that subdivision is called back, and I forget cedar cove, cedar, cove and art.

B

And I walk back and you can see where they want to put a road through and you can see the houses.

B

And we both concurred. Well, this is a really stupid idea. Why do I want to build a road.

B

Through somebody's backyard going through a swamp and everything else to get there.

B

So we went back to and redesigned, I should say we, they went back and redesigned. It came with an idea.

B

That you could extend the parking on a homegrown farmers market back and build a gravel and a.

B

Little bit of a path, and you would be able to have little rentals, like you know, you could rent a.

B

Run a scooter or something to take your kayak back or a you know, some kind of a cart to push your.

B

Stuff and take it down to the beach there and then be able to come back and that way the neighborhood.

B

Would not be disturbed and you would still have access to the beach and be able to provide an.

B

Extra rent, uh recreational amenity to the citizens- I guess I go with this- is that seems.

D

Like we've had our issues on the patuxent we're trying to get and- and I guess my priority if I.

D

One, commissioner would be you know the snow hill uh place out there, which I know is also in here.

D

But I I guess my thought process is the shannon farms necessary at this point, while we're focusing.

D

On snow, for me, a county, that's surrounded by water. We have very limited access to the water.

A

From the people that live here, except for those of us who live underwater, I live on a farm pond, but.

A

But randy I mean no, no, I I think I think this is a. This is a great addition to what we've got now.

A

There's not many beaches around here and that's place. You've got a beach for great sakes. It it.

K

Meets the requirements within land preservation and park and recreation plan and it's a passive.

A

Type wreck: we're not we're not planning on putting a launching pad down here. Building, piers and.

A

Everything it's going to be well, you have to have somebody there, monitoring people coming in and out.

D

Won't you uh we're going to have some stuff there, but here you're not going to have traffic all the.

K

Way down so there's it's going to be about a three three quarter. Mile nine tenths of a mile walk is.

K

Going to be uh you brought up last time, we will have 10 foot asphalt, as you can see in here now.

K

So that we'll be able to get service trucks there gators there to do to for potable toilets to all.

K

The cleanliness that needs to be done for uh total full accessibility to get there then there'll.

K

Be some small amenities, picnic tables, a small playground, so families can access the bay yeah.

K

It's outlined in the land, preserve preservation and recreation and parks plan.

K

um And then then, with the homegrown, I do want to say if you want to look at an amenity there, the.

K

Excitement there to with that uh possibly coming later and putting a playground there with the.

K

World in partnership with using the restrooms at the homegrown, so that you take that whole project.

K

There and you've got a nice little pass of amenity in that community and boat launch and whatnot. No.

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Not in this first phase at all and again, we've we've awarded the um contract for uh snow hill.

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So uh and it's the same one with shannon farm, so we're well on our way, we'll be meeting with them.

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Shenan farm I'll probably be meeting with them. In a couple weeks. The contract and firm.

K

Because now mda and critical areas commission are seeing there are some forested wetlands. There.

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And so is it going to be permitted and then does it get cost prohibited from there right.

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Now it doesn't look that way, but then you know things can come in later. That says: hey to get.

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Through those wetlands might cost more than uh what our appetite is, but that's your decision.

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uh I'd say it's a right now, I'd say it's uh it's 80 percent and let's let the get the walk through.

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With mde- and hopefully that's in a couple weeks, because that just came up with the.

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Environment on the firm he says: hey, we better look at there's a lot of fortified wetlands.

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With this new concept- and they just got that new concept from us in their timeline and so.

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With that they want to get mda down critical areas commission, so we can give you a hard.

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Number a harder one than that, but I don't see it being with it being a passive parking with that.

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Access trail, I don't see it being a great number. It's not going to be a road commissioner, hewitt.

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um Service area, because we're not going to do the service, don't have to do and you and.

K

You heard that, and you saw that and you see that you're so so tell me how big somebody's who's the.

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Term uh less than ambulatory, you know they can't get around very well. How do you get down there.

K

You're going to take the children when we get there, they're in scooters and and strollers.

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Wheelchairs for adults and it's gonna be asphalt or ten foot wide all the way down. Okay, so it'd be.

D

Like, like you're, saying, nine tenths of a mile yeah and you gotta scoot them in wheelchair and back up.

K

But at the same time now let me see it sounds like a lot it does, but I spent my last last four.

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Or five years of my life that way with a parent and in some ways that's all part of everybody's.

K

Wellness and activity and being outdoors some of that, I regret, is thinking that somebody.

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Couldn't do, and now I realize that part in a nine tenths of a mile- that's exercise for everybody.

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Regretting for the pushers- yes, it is- that was part of that life. Now, as far as elms beach.

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um Nice weekend during the summer, the park fills up not a lot of.

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Extra capacity in that park and a lot of people coming into it, so I think that's where the.

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Overflow comes in. You know that that will certainly suffice and help. uh Then what I'm.

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Going to do is I'm going to be coming to you here shortly with the email regarding capacity right.

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Now, how do we want to do that in counting out of county, so we do keep our capacity for our citizens.

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I'll be asking some direction on from you on that soon now does this plan for shannon farm.

H

Does that include any additional parking up at the homegrown market? Yes, okay! Yes,.

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Saturday morning you have auxiliary parking, you're, not gonna, be parking right there, because.

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They're gonna have their own out here about a couple tenths of a parking lot. Then that trail.

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uh Comes out perfect and I can re-mail you all that uh email you, that concept has has mde been.

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Down there yet to look at this yeah, no, no I'll just read it. We don't know for sure yet about.

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Total access correct, sir, and I was just reading that- are they pretty when you when.

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You walk with them. Are they pretty receptive to other forms of roadway other than asphalt.

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I mean: are they receptive to like using crushed shell or whatever, oh, absolutely, to go across.

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Some of these I'm saying that, because we use a place called fort macon state park and it goes.

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Through a lot of wetland- and they built some wooden bridges across certain little creeks.

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The rest of it is this shell type. I don't think it's really oyster shells where some kind of.

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The pathway, where they're close to the areas of the environment, that people don't want, you build.

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Something on top, but they use this crush stuff, which you can easily navigate over within saint.

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Mary's county: no, it's not the same race county, a couple of nice ones in virginia, but what I'm.

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Showing, but I think I think where I come from, is, is accessibility right with cost value right.

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If you put those two together, you have it, but because I do not the last thing you want to do.

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Is spend just and then drive that cost up, but the accessibility needs to be there, then, with the cost.

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Value and then navigating through the wetlands exactly exactly: okay, accessibility to cost value.

D

I want to write that I like that. I like that I love that come from. Is that, like a phrase from.

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About five seconds ago avicii, I love it. Mr shepherd good job of bringing that up.

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I like that, I'd like that this one, in my opinion, needs a little bit more work. I know it's.

D

In 23, which is next year, but I kind of like to see a little and we will because we're working.

K

On the hard with a morton thomas right now again, they'll be down in a couple weeks. Those.

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Concepts, I'm steadily going and biting them after that. What is mde coming down to look at.

A

Anything no, but they have something soon. She lets me know you. Let me know I want to go with you.

K

So you know the other one is at the same time with the same group. They were, you know we're going to.

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Be doing uh shannon farms and they they do they're. Like everybody else, uh uh I said, snoke, shannon.

K

If I'm snow, hill and uh they've been on the property and they can't uh they said, this is just.

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So good piece of property to develop and get out on the river and a boat ramp, they're very excited.

D

Totally agree: let's go, let's get that place up and running come on yeah. I want this because people.

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At san ranch, county deserve have good access to waterfront property. This is a great thing.

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Page 16 the sports complex, so we have added 150 000 in state funding.

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That's that state fund grant for the bond initiative. Okay, good who's, doing that.

D

Is that crosby or bailey, or somebody like that, that's senator bailey's office, it's.

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A request that we made right, we made it application request application. We made.

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Good, that is all of the cip project, changes that we have in front of you.

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We do have the entire all the projects in that separate package. Do you have it.

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It's the same thing we just went over, it is, but it has all of the sheets so um well. I.

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Like to make a motion that we approve the cip projects, but the changes we just talked about.

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Any discussion which well I just want to make sure what what with it.

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The change we approve uh all the changes, the cip project- we just went through page nine through.

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Okay, because we didn't make any changes today, but we asked them they're gonna come back. We.

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Actually bring back the last session, the um that was the change okay, because the communication.

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Which you saw and read with the changes we have so we'll just bring that one sheet back next week now.

D

They're going to bring back the rack too right, but that's going to probably be a long time from so we.

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Have page 11 as the the expansion for emergency services? That's bringing back the cip sheet.

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On page 14 for the rack, we had that you wanted an informational sheet for the public right, not.

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Really an any change, just information yeah. That was my question because we didn't make any actual.

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Changes to anything today, it was just bringing it back yep. So it's accepting the changes that.

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Are the red line version is what we need direction on with the exception of page 11, because we need.

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To bring one thing I would say is be careful of your artist renderings. Now everybody knows about.

D

Artistic license, you know it doesn't have to look like what I'm putting down here, because I'm an.

D

Artist, I can make it look like whatever I like, but sometimes that can like give people an idea. What.

D

Something's going to look like and if it's not going to look like that, no, let's make sure we know.

D

It's going to look like before we put it out there and then the last one was the shannon farms you're.

D

Going to come back with some more information there, so we don't have any additional information.

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That we think we will have in the next couple of weeks. I mean we'll bring that back as we have it.

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Okay, but after after md and whoever looks at what right we'll bring you that updated information, yes,.

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Sir okay, so you have a motion and a second I guess I would. I would offer a friendly amendment that we.

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uh Approved the ci project changes as presented, because there was no changes today that we made.

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With the exception of page 11., with the exception of age 11, we did make some exceptions here. Okay,.

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uh Does that got everything down? Does that sound good, and so, um commissioner hewitt, I think you.

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Made the motion: are you, okay, with the friendly amendment? What what what to say now, it would say.

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That approved the ci project, uh cipc appreciation changed, except for 11. yeah, except for number 11.

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All right, okay, I have a first and second, are you? Okay with this fine? Okay? Okay, you have a first.

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And second, all in favor aye any oppose how's that continue. Please all righty. Let's look at page 17.

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And this is a very preliminary revenue summary. This is based really on the latest information.

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That we've received from the state one the assessments that we just received on the.

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Constant yield tax letter and then the last update to the income taxes that we received at the end of.

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January, so you can see we'll go we'll start over and you can see for property taxes and with the.

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Income taxes and the total actual revenues that we receive for fy 2020 will start, and that was.

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247 million your actual revenues, excluding your fund, balance, use of 4.9 and 2021 approved budget.

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Was 248. and this estimate right now, based on the information from the state and also the.

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Information that was included in the department's request on their revenues that they maintain.

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Our revenues are at two hundred and sixty four thousand two. Oh eight.

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Two hundred sixty four million two hundred eight thousand four hundred and five dollars.

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Now the primary revenues, of course, you know that make up the bulk of this is our property taxes.

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And income taxes are other local taxes. Yes, you see an increase of forty thousand dollars, I'm getting.

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Information on a daily basis, based on current revenues that are coming in, and I just one of.

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The ones that I just received yesterday was um the latest payment for admissions and amusement tax.

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um I'll just go over what I've actually we received was um four thousand four hundred and.

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Eighty one dollars for the uh second quarter of f this year 2021. last year, the same payment was 46.

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000. so again this is going to hit. This is going to start right, we're going to start seeing some.

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Of these changes, the code things are starting to hit well, what worries me is going from 248 to 264.

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Right well, understanding the impacts of things like amusement tax and hospitality.

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Taxes, all of those other local taxes, the 9.6 million dollars, that's in the column for fy22.

C

I need I'm gonna go back through based on the latest information. I mean it's just changing on.

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A weekly basis, and I'm probably gonna- I'm gonna, update those, so those will be reduced. Now, look.

D

Here's where I have my disconnect here: yes, it's 11 million 303 that you're expecting an additional.

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Income taxes, yes, okay, we know we've we've. I've always believed we're somewhat recession-proof.

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Having that base out there, and as far as income tax income tax yeah far as income tax.

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Because those people tend to keep their jobs, we're not seasonal anyway, I still don't think we've seen.

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The impact from people who were out of work, the the the the people who are not associated no, we.

C

Haven't we have not seen that to make that number go up, 11 000, 11 million 303- is that.

D

Based on anything that we've seen, that's covet related. No, that if you turn and look at page 18.

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The information that we're using in its course it's every year when we're estimating any taxes.

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Especially your property tax in your income tax is based on information we receive from the state.

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Based on the activity and the information, so you can see what we're using for.

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22 is from tax year 2019. at the time and that's the issue, and that is before covid yeah. So so.

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I guess my thought gets to be is mainly what we've been seeing as far as revenues coming in.

D

Have been higher than expected? Yes, but they've also been compilations of 19 in years. Prior now,.

D

Yes, we get one at the end of this week right it's due any minute now. I know I know end of february.

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And with that, would you think that would be our first indicator of covet impacts.

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It is going to be all tax year, 20, this payment that we receive so- um and I haven't heard anything.

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Yet on how high it's going to be, or is it going to be equivalent to last year's payment or whatnot.

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And then one thing it also makes the calculation for 21 and even 20 and 22 is that we had the rate.

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Increase in combination of all these changes, if you look at paige right, if you look at page 29.

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So we use the information from tax year 2019. and because of the covid, and we know that revenues.

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May we do not want to be overly optimistic. So if you look if you on page 18, if you look at the top.

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The average for the past five years, including the tax year 19, is about a 5.5 percent increase. We you.

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Made a decision- and we reviewed this in december- and we decided at this point to use a three.

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Percent growth, because we know that there is going to be an impact when we're going to see it or.

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We know it's coming, we just don't know when exactly it's coming and I've talked to other.

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Cfos at other counties and they're kind of now thinking it's going to be more in 2023, but we are.

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Starting to see as far as income taxes and maybe assessments, we are going to see the changes that.

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I'm seeing now that I'm collecting on the other taxes and other fees and other charges, those we.

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Are going to see, but, of course, our income tax and our property tax are the two big strong items in.

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Our budget, so if you look at page 29, this is the report that we actually received from the state.

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With our january payment: okay, so if you go and you can see it shows tax year 2019 and if you go.

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Down to st mary's county, you can see the 99.5. That is the number that I've got on page 18.

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Okay and compared to tax year 2018, that's a 7 increase. Okay,.

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But then, if you look at the bottom, the average for the state is four percent, so primarily the.

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Difference between the seven and the four could be realistically, I mean, but this doesn't even include.

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Your tax rate increase, that's where the trick is that's where the trick is, and that's where the.

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Trick is because the tax rate increased on january, 1 2020., so that's going to be in your tax year.

C

2020 numbers from the state too right, but tell me, explain the trick to me that you just talked about.

C

We we're getting the information for tax year 2019. and that didn't have 317. It was two: no, it.

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Was still at three percent correct, so I have to on on page 18 kind of take okay, I have to make 2019.

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And then I have to come back to 2020 and grow that and kind of say. Okay, I take the 2019. that takes.

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You one over right and then I I divide it by 3 times 3.17 to kind of get my 20 20 numbers to kind.

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Of back into it, what it would be at the higher rate, okay, then, then, if I so then, if you look at so.

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2019 you can look at page 2019 on page 29, sorry, um you can see that the state grew by four percent.

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Then the same number is there: if you go across for 2018 there's my 93051, that's on page 18 for.

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Tax year 18., we grew by 10.3, remember that was last year and we just knew that that.

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Was unsustainable and we kind of cut that in half, but the state grew at 9, so we're not too.

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Far from where the rest of the state is, and then our number for tax year 17 was the 84.

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And this is what makes it difficult. Yes, our tax year, information and our.

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Growth from the state and the number of returns is strong and it's very hard to so.

C

That is really the information that we're using what we did now and what you made a.

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Decision on back in december is because we knew that of coven 19. We had four fiscal year, 2021.

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We used a 3.5 percent growth. Well, we know now that so we're still thinking that, yes, our.

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Growth, we don't want to keep our growth, we don't believe our growth is going to continue to be 5.5.

C

So we use the three percent growth to try to bring it down. As far as um trying to be conservative.

C

Still, but we still need to use their number team in 119 278, yes, and that's using the three.

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Percent growth, so you recognize the three percent growth to start with and then you recognize the.

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Fact that on the tax year, because we increased the tax rate by 17 basis points together, 3.17.

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The major effect on that was, you know, to the high income earners base for lack of a better.

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Where the two income families work on the base, the contractors etc, so you have a three, so you have a.

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17 basis, point increase at that point in time, which causes this number to go up, probably not.

B

It's not linear, I would say, maybe a couple million. It can't be that much yeah. But then again when you.

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Also have in here is that you're going to have the states when everyone's getting their unemployment.

B

So unemployment is calculated here to a bit, but whatever he seems to forget is that when you have.

B

The unemployment, it's nice getting unemployed, but there's federal taxes tied to that. That's right! So.

B

You have an artificial number here, for we had all the people who didn't want to work because you're.

B

Going to get 600 more a week, so they got the 600 more a week on top of everything else. They.

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Were getting and that number's programmed in here too, which is a bogey, because you.

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You're wondering where that number's going to come from you got it. You got a rough number.

B

And then the beauty is they have the cares act one. You have the state, 1.5 billion relief act, two and.

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You've got this 1.9 trillion dollar bogey sitting out there that's going to get poured in here, so it.

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Makes it extremely difficult on miss cudd, more and staff, to come up with something so we're.

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We're, I believe my words, I believe they're doing the best they can concerning the circumstances.

B

Which is sort of nebulous right now, as all this stuff keeps rolling around, is that reasonable.

D

That's exactly, and I agree I think, you're doing a great job. I hear I'm not trying to complain.

C

It's difficult and I'm not the only person in the same in state of maryland, we're all having a rough.

C

Time calculating it, but this, but these taxes that were we typically go year to year. We don't okay, if.

D

We collected this much in taxes last year. We don't typically think we're going to collect less right.

D

And I guess my point is this: federal and state stimulus money is going to dry up and and that's.

C

All going to be non-recurring, the only monies that are recurring are your your property tax. Your.

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Income tax: at what level that's we have to kind of look at that on a year-to-year basis, and you.

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Know if it's higher than what we think it's going to be, then that's where we apply the three percent.

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Growth thinking that to be more conservative that we we get too rosy of an outlook, the reality is.

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Less than what we expect right and what are we doing and then what do we do then, when the when.

C

The revenues don't come in yeah right or on, like the reoccurring revenues that don't come right.

C

And that's where you need to be careful, because um maybe we don't use all of this for recurring.

C

Expenses, well, I think you're, where I'm at right now, which is you're not going to see 20 uh 20s.

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Numbers till 22- essentially I'm not going to get it right. The to me this. This 264 is a blip.

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And- and the reason I I do, that is just based on the previous conversation that we've had now.

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The saint mary's county housing market is amazing right now the average is 20 days on the market.

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You know the home values are up significantly, that's reflected in the total in the property tax.

C

Number right and we're going to see that and we're going to see the income tax from the people that.

G

Are working remotely that are living in the county that are, you know coming here, so we're going to.

G

See some of that it may balance itself out, but this these revenues. I I I definitely that they're.

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High and I would say accurately high, but they at the same time a blip to me that next year this.

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This is going to balance itself out and it may it may balance itself out in a very bad way if we're.

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Not careful and that's why I'm thinking, maybe it's a combination. Maybe we don't use all of the money.

C

For recurring, because we maybe we have that gut feeling that it's not going to be recurring.

C

And maybe we don't have to maybe some of it goes towards non-recurring? No, that's you know.

G

That's when I look at the other budget requests that are coming in um as if as if there is no.

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Like cove, it never happened or there is no bottom line. We have to be sensitive.

C

To that this may not be it's still feeling that it's not going to be sustainable well,.

D

I think what we needed, we need data, you know we need. We need to see this draw down.

D

And we haven't seen it and we may not see it with another. You know stimulus of what right.

D

You know we're talking about and but any grant money any further stimulus. Just like.

C

The 9.9 that we received this past june that we spent this year- that's all non-recurring, that's.

C

It's not a recurring revenue and if we receive any more revenue from the state or the feds.

C

It's going to be non-recurring and the expenses are going to be tied to it that are also used for.

C

Non-Recurring, so it's not going to be built into our recurring revenue at all. I'd say if we're just.

G

You know my opinion is if we're, if we're looking at any of this funding, to build out a budget that.

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We're very very careful in how it's used, because I I normally don't agree with commissioner morgan on.

G

The bottom falling out on things, but this one I'm definitely on the same page with him on this one.

G

But I am right: I am right there um when everybody at the federal and the state level.

C

They're spending money guess who's gonna, what's gonna happen. Somehow some way someone's gonna have.

C

To pay for it, yeah yeah, that's and that's where your mandates could be coming down. That's where.

C

Our cuts also could be coming down. One that is currently in annapolis is the stat they've got the.

C

S dot the local office here we're paying 50 of the local they're still trying to get it passed for.

C

90 percent, yes, which could double our expense, which could add another 400 000.

C

Expense, if that comes through what I'm worried about, is 11 million dollars in tax revenue. That.

D

We're anticipating and actually getting it right now, 400 000 is a big number. Don't get me wrong.

D

Eleven million is a lot. It's a big number. That number worries me a little bit yeah, because if.

L

We don't if we allocate it right and then we don't get it. That's why I'm saying maybe we use it for.

C

Some non-recurring items so that we don't count on it for the future. The other part gets to be is.

D

If people are collecting 600 extra from federal government and they're going to be collecting.

D

I guess 300 or whatever from the one that they did right after the election. The presidential election.

D

And now they're getting another one with the can they afford to pay the taxes on it.

D

When all comes due because they're struggling anyway right and then when you find out, you got.

D

Six thousand dollar, how many thousands of dollars in money that didn't have any taxes taken out.

D

Right, you know it wasn't earned income, it was just you know, grant income that you're required to pay.

D

Your 18, or whatever your your market rate, is right now, and I know with the property.

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Tax and commissioner hewitt, you said this earlier, you know how many years have I sat.

C

Up here and say, property taxes and are flat and again they're flat and they're flat. And we knew.

C

That our properties were, I think, we're finally seeing our property taxes grow.

C

To where we thought they should have been over the years, I don't think that's going to change.

G

I really don't base if you look at the dmv and the sprawl that is currently going on in.

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The construction you have inside the beltway that push to outside the beltway outside the beltway to.

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Charles county now, charles county to saint mary's county and that's evident in our housing market,.

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The amount of new developments that are going up 20 days on the market, the rates even even.

G

With the mortgage rates looking at it, I mean it is really truly a seller's market right now right so.

G

It's I don't see that changing yeah and on page 31 this is my constant yield. My valentine's.

C

Day gift you can see february 14th every year I don't get roses. I get the constant yield letter.

C

So page 31., you can see that our constant yield tax rate is 0.8290. So what that means.

C

Is when the assessment hold on, I was on page. I got my pages page 31. 31.. I know I'm back and.

C

Forth all right here we are here. We are okay, go ahead in calculating the property taxes.

C

We wait for the constant yield tax rate. Okay, so when assessments go up, the constant yield tax rate.

C

Goes down because that's trying to that is keeping and maintaining your property revenue the same.

C

So that means when our and our assessments just went up. So if you continue and then page 32 shows.

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What our ad would look like and it would need to be in the paper um but in april 16th and then, if.

C

You look at page 33, this is the map and you can see group three area. Three is the one that we.

C

Just had assessed, and that is your lexington park area. That area too, is what was was following me.

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Up because that that goes down into st george's island, I thought that was right, so we just got.

C

An update for area three okay, then, if you look at this, is these are some really great charts.

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That I got from mike deegan over at the local office.

C

And these are on the state website. So if you look at page 34, you can see that the residential.

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For st mary's went up, 7.2 percent and the commercial went up 15.7 percent.

C

With the combine residential and commercial combined 9.4 percent for st mary's county.

C

Where the state was 8.1 for group 3., you just need a motion to approve this and advertise well.

D

I think it's now right yeah, I don't really I mean you can if you want, but I mean we, we don't really.

C

Need to approve the rate right now. We can wait uh as long as we approve it or give me some direction.

G

Decisions needed approved- I know I know, but I mean it's just if you want to know yep. So it's number.

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Five, it's number five. If you would like to make that decision, I thought we were the commissioners.

D

Are ready to approve the current property tax rate? You can give us direction on that right if.

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Not um we do have some additional time. I I make a motion to approve the current property tax.

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Rate of twenty eight four 8478 as presented and authorized staff to advertise- that's not required.

D

So we're so we're not going to consider anything on constant yield.

B

No, no okay; okay, so they need to take a vote right here. Okay, we have a motion first and second, all.

A

Is in favor all right, any opposed no eyes have it one number! Okay! Let me let's get back to page 30.

C

Yeah but page 36, I was going to go through some questions and I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah.

C

So if you look at 35 that well, let me put my stuff back together, we're done with 19 20. All this we're.

D

Still going through all these pages, so I'm just kind of going through we're. Looking at um page 36.

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Where you can see the different groups each year, yep look at 36, and this is the change in groups by.

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Year, get there jeanette, I'm sorry good stuff all over the place. I know I'm shuffling papers too.

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Page 36 36 but you're leading the pack and I'm trying to follow you all right. Whatever.

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Later hello, now you're you're up to page 36, now yeah, look at 36, page 36.

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Go ahead, all right, you see 36 and you see st mary's county. You can see, starting in.

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2008, that's where it was group two and you can see each county and you can see where the last.

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So group three, you can see the state the last column on your right, eight point: one percent.

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The last time we had group three, it was if you go back back in 2018, it was a 2.2 percent increase.

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And then 1.5 increase in 2015. so and then you can see the years before that where we took the.

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Nose dive and then we're slowly coming back out, so it looks like we're finally coming out and.

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Then I, like page 38. I'll just get used to 36. okay, so that shows the trending.

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That we're talking about where we have the 2010 11 right, 12, yeah, okay! So that's where.

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We were, and we were you know, that's why we were all so flat for a number of years too.

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Because we were coming out of where it dropped in 2011., so it took us a while to get to where we are.

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um But we are in line right now on page 38, you see that graph, that's kind of a neat flat yeah.

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Okay, all right so that is, is primarily that's the end of, and we can continue on. um Good news is it's.

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Flat to the positive, so that's right, but we're growing like with the rest of the state, so we're.

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At 8.1 the whole state grew um by the nine percent. I mean the whole state grew 8.1 and we were 9.4 so.

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While we're still talking about property tax, I'm sure you'd, you would eventually get to it, but I am.

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Looking at page 20 and 22 for our disabled veterans, yeah better get to that yeah, I'm.

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Getting there that's you're, getting there I'm getting there getting there all right. I plan on.

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Going through this entire package, okay, so that's property taxes, so that's kind of where we are.

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But then income taxes like I said you get the in information and we got the info in january, which.

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Is giving us our tax year 2019.? Yes, I am expecting a payment this week and it's all going to be tax.

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Year 2020, so I'm like on pins and needles waiting on that um to see where we are okay,.

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So that information and the report, like I said information from january, is on page 29,.

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And then you can see the number of returns on page 30, so you can see our.

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Returns actually increase too on page 30., our returns for 2019 increased 2.1 percent.

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So, that's you know interesting and you can see the state average in returns. um 1.2 so are all the the.

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City, the people that lived in the bigger counties moving to the suburbs so we're getting. Yes, they.

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Are right so that's kind of an indication and could also be a reason for our strong income tax.

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Growth in tax year, 19. strong, so there's many variables um that add to this.

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Okay, or so maybe some other variables too, that we need to be aware of when the present.

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Administration changes right deductions for income tax that was put in place by our last president.

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When that change comes, it's going to be a big difference right, I think it'll be a big difference.

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Our income tax- I mean our inc income from from, uh is going to that tax base is going to go down.

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Right, that's the change they're looking at and that's why they have a limitation on how much you.

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Can deduct in a property tax and assault property? You know your assault, yeah, all that stuff. So if.

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They change all that that's going to be, and that- and that was part of the 17 18 19 stuff too.

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Where people moved money from one year to the next- and we had some of those changes that we needed.

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To mean sort of pay attention to right and get a lot of pressure from people like new york and new.

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Jersey to change that structure back right, if that happens uh well, the offsets could be capital gains.

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And capital gains same way yeah. You know you, can you can't it's hard to guess some of this.

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Stuff and then look at annapolis like we're going through the burfa right now. Yeah I mean.

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There's so many hidden taxes in that berfa is pathetic, yeah, so we we better be really so our.

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Growth is showing that we're higher we're at the last five years is that 5.5 percent.

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We're using a three percent growth- I I agree with you just to be on the conservative just to know.

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That the only concern is, if we go too conservative right, because then we're collecting more money.

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Than we need to collect for our budget and that's not fair to our taxpayers right.

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Now are we considering any of this portion on the taxes that are going to come down from the new tax.

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That was passed by annapolis on like netflix and amazon and no so you're, not looking at any of that.

G

Okay, no, actually, I don't think that makes it to the county. I think state is not going to go.

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Straight this guy's gonna stay they're, not even gonna, give us a portion. Why would they they're.

G

Probably not yeah yeah virginia's getting all down yeah, they are that'll, be in court. Some yeah.

B

That is so page 19 is on the accessible base back to 19. back to where we were back to where we were.

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There we go here, we go okay. So again, I'm not going to go back to the past pages. You know, but I use.

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And update the last column on your um right. That's where I updated the info from the constant yield.

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Tax letter, okay, so the real property comes from the constant yield tax letter and the personal.

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Public utilities and the corporate come from the update that was in the state's website in november.

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And then again we'll get another update at the end of march and then that'll be what we use for.

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Our property tax um revenue, okay, so our constant yield where our real property, our rate right now,.

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The 0.8478 which you just approved, is um 0.0188 higher than the constant yield almost 2 cents.

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Okay, all right now we're going to turn onto this beautiful page. It's all full of colors on page 20.

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And and it's I know I was reading it upstairs and I'm thinking my goodness I hopefully we can read.

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It downstairs it's, it's a lot of small print, a lot of good information, but everything in the green.

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Are our current property tax credits that we have so we have our 6510, which is above that's um the.

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One that was approved back in 2018, and it's for those that are 65 years old and has lived in the.

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Same dwelling for 40 years, and also for those that have been in the armed services, okay, so.

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We're continuing the estimate of 75 000 for that property tax credit based on what we've actually.

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Received so far in fy 2021 in fy, 2020, okay, we'll go down to the senior tax credit cap, we're keeping.

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That estimate, also at six hundred thousand, um that we can see so far in 21 we've received 485 000.

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Or there's been 485 thousand dollars worth of credits that have been applied to individuals.

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Property taxes and the actual for fy 2020 was 526 000., so people are using the credits. That's a.

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Good thing are these: these uh credits here for the elderly. Yes, the senior tax. They can only pick one.

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Of those right, you can't get all three what the treasurer does. She looks at all the credits that.

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Are available and she assesses each individual's um situation and finds them the best and finds.

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Them the best credit, the money that'll give them the most bang for their money right. I understand.

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So her office does a lot of work and trying to figure out I mean she. They look at almost every.

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Senior citizen, every one that can actually apply and really determines you know which.

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One is good best for the citizen, then we have the matching tax credit and that is the 950 and.

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Then we actually receive reimbursement from the state on this credit, so whatever credit we get.

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There's a matching credit for that one: okay, then, at the bottom and the other, the bottom green is.

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What we you know, we show for the um the constant yield and um the homeowner's tax credit. Okay,.

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So this is where you can see that um again, you can see the assessment went from 49 million.

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And what we had on the constant yield tax letter, the abatement.

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For the assessments is about 60.8 so, like I said earlier, as your assessments increase.

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Your constant rate yield rate goes down. Okay, so now we're in the middle of the page, we're at.

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And there's a letter that kind of goes with this from legal.

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And so we have actually, if you look at page 21, you can see that there's actually number one is.

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Talking about where we have article 7-208 is an existing tax credit, but it.

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It's actually on the assessments that's applied to at the state level prior to.

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Us receiving our assessments, so it's already been taken care of at the state level. So that's already.

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Been reduced from our assessments, okay, but it's available for um veterans. Then we have number two.

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Which is the current one where we could have done? 20 percent credit, and you- and this is for this- we.

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Call this the 6510: um this is where um you already have one, but what happened is there's actually.

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Enabling legislation to extend the eligibility list for those that can actually receive this.

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And by extending the eligibility list you can look and see on the pink section.

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Based on the information that we've received from the veterans affair and.

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Also from the information um that we have, if we adopt the existing extension of the 6510.

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It would be an additional credit available of 272 thousand one hundred dollars is the estimate.

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And so you can see on page 21 at the bottom. It says you know.

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Eligibility military personnel under 65, you know with service, connected disability.

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You know who are active, retired arnold discharge, members of one uniform to military reserves or.

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National guard so they're expanding who can actually apply for this credit and surviving.

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Spouses of active duty, military personnel and then a surviving spouse, who is at least 65. so.

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With the expansion will be more um people that will be able to apply for the credit, and that's.

D

Coming from the state, yes, yes, and all we have to do is adopt it right and if you adopt it, then.

C

We would need to it's a reduction to property tax because it would be a credit which is reducing.

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The estimate and again remember when we um adopted the 6510, I think I had put originally an estimate.

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In there of what two hundred thousand dollars and based on who applied, we've now reduced it.

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So this is probably the 272 again is probably on the high side, because it really depends on who.

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We have the numbers that we get from veterans affair on who lives in saint mary's, county and.

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And neil from legal he's, wonderful and he kind of gathered all this information and got information.

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From the treasurer, also um depending you know, based on the numbers that we're getting, I mean.

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That's all we can use, we have the numbers and then we can kind of look at it. What's.

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Our average property tax bill- and we kind of you know, calculate all those and that's kind of how we.

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Came up with an estimated credit of two hundred and seventy two thousand one hundred dollars.

C

So that's if you expand the current credit. I think it's a good idea to expand it. I mean it.

G

The eligibility to our our veterans and their spouses is important. The the things that they.

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Go through supporting them uh through their time and the illnesses that come with it. I mean.

C

Right and then there's um there's another credit. If you look at page 22 and that 22.

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Is um the additional amount for number three and that's kind of like in the color purple? Okay,.

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And you'll see, um there's a fiscal impact. It's article nine um dash two six, five, okay.

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And it's got two sections of this: that's why there's two numbers? Okay, so the four hundred and.

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Nineteen thousand eighty nine dollars is reference to the disabled veterans, with a federal, adjusted.

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Gross income of less than a hundred thousand, and they could probably receive a twenty five.

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Percent credit on real property tax if they have a service connected disability rating of 50 to 74.

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Or 50 credit on the county's real property tax if they have a disability in the rating of 75.

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To 99 percent- and if you adopt that credit or do this, it would be a reduction of um 419.

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000 got that many disabled here huh well, yeah, apparently there's a good number of them. I think.

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And then the other part of that is for adding a surviving spouse. A credit on the county's.

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Real property tax um and then that would be an additional credit um of a million ninety one. So.

C

The two of those in the purple is really the 1.5 million dollars. If you were to adopt that credit.

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And then the one for extending the current credit that we have is the 272.

A

Are these tied into any kind of income level uh since federally adjusted gross income of less.

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Than a hundred thousand yeah, that's the one on the 90, um the 9.9-265, that one has the income hundred.

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Thousand dollars, commissioners, just to note that the treasurer on on page 22, there is a notation.

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That the treasurer does expect an additional workload uh with the uh tax credit for 265. That.

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She'd need an additional person to manage those tax credits. It's a lot of work that their her.

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Office puts in reviewing each and every individual that comes in and reviews these tax credits to.

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Make sure that the individual receives the right tax credit or the one that provides the most.

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Maximum benefit, so that's why she's thinking that she would probably need an additional individual.

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um So the direction we're looking for and if you know you can do that now they can only apply for.

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One of these credits right right- it's not, they can't give all three of them here right. The.

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One that gives the individual the most credit the highest credit on their property tax bill.

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And that's the practice that she follows so at the at the current rate, if they, if we had.

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We've given we've given the veterans, two options, one and two right now.

B

And how much is the fiscal note on that so far, so that on page 20 is the best place, I think, to see.

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This snapchat yeah on page 20 on the peach right now, there's a 272 thousand dollar fiscal note for.

B

Either one or two right, but if we go to three, we would have an increase of 1.5 million.

C

Right or is it is it 1.5 million or well? It can be broken down in two pieces. There's two.

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Pieces that you can do could be 1.5 right depending on whether you do the disabled.

C

Less than 100, then, if you add their surviving spouse a credit, then that increases it up to a.

C

Million 91. Well, I think it's this. It also lets us define uh what our surviving spouse is so.

G

Right, it's, it could be a surviving spouse. You know, basically, at the time that you have to be married.

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The veteran has to be alive at the time that you submit the tax credit which significantly.

G

Reduces that, because, if you just do surviving spouse of a veteran, then that that opens up.

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Right a larger window, and that's where you can identify your your definitions, yeah we can and.

C

We would have to do an ordinance which that would reduce the public hearing the money right, if you.

G

Did it that way significantly, because now it's not just surviving spouses, so these estimates that are.

C

On page 20, the 272, the 419 and the million 91, I believe that those are probably on the high side.

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And so commissioner says ms cudmore alluded to on page 22 if you'd like to move forward these.

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Are a new ordinance, so you'd have to have a public hearing and those kinds of things.

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Before they be adopted so there's two pieces today. One of course is financial in terms of.

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Factoring in which ones you'd like to have, and then we would begin the process if you'd like to.

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Through your normal ordinance, it's a decision that needs to be made today um it would be nice, but you.

C

Don't have to I mean our. We would take this to our public hearing in april, so it would be.

C

Before the recommended budget is adopted, okay with on the 31st, but it would be nice to maybe get it.

C

For maybe I think the 16th is probably the best so that we can incorporate it into our balancing.

B

Yeah I'd like to think about this yeah, that's fine! I do too, and I'd like to hear from kelly. I mean.

D

I shouldn't call her the treasurer charger kelly, okay and I'd like to see what an ordinance looks.

G

Like so, if there is a draft one I'd like to see what that looks like we haven't drafted one yet.

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Because of the decision of the commissioners, okay you'd like us to draft one or an example.

G

Since anne arundel is the only other county, that's enacted this, we can see what that looks.

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Like so, we can look at anne arundel. We can get with the treasure and legal and come up with an.

C

Ordinance with the definitions on how we would apply it and if staff doesn't mind reaching out.

G

To the southern southern maryland association of realtors and see how this tax credit would impact.

G

Home sales based on the mortgages uh when they're looking at it, because.

G

If it's under a hundred thousand dollars that puts a lot of veterans into a bracket.

G

Basically, that a mortgage payment is going to be significantly lower, based on the property.

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Tax credit, so I'd like to see how this spurs home- okay, okay, well, I think first, we need to.

C

Almost probably get the ordinance written up with all the definitions so that we have something for.

C

To send to the the realtors, but we will definitely make sure they're aware of it and get their.

C

Feedback, thank you. So we can probably bring that back and you said the goal was probably.

I

The 16th, the 16th okay, so that we can get a decision on that. You know so we can know.

A

There's any way to find it, I had to go forward with you're, estimating that this applies to.

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888 veterans is that what yeah approximately yeah I like to know what these 888 veterans are doing.

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Once they get here to the county, what kind of job do they have? What kind of home do they own.

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Right now I will say this: I argued maker all the time, I'm I always I'm always for these bills. I'm.

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Usually the single person- that is very true, you are the lone ranger, I'm the lone ranger.

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Even those other veterans sitting there, they will say no to any kind of tax incentive for veterans.

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My argument is, I say, look these people come to our county, they get a good job. Some of them have a six.

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Digit income, they may have a four or five hundred six hundred thousand dollar home paying taxes.

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Those are our two primary incomes. This is a draw to me to bring people here and keep them here. Just.

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Like retirement income, it's just another thing for military retirement income. These people retire. You.

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Say: okay, we're going to let your 30 40 000, your income be partially exempt from taxes and they get.

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Here, if they get a six digit income job and they have big homes, they buy. That's our primary income.

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Right so I mean these things. We need to look at very closely. I know we have three of them here now.

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But they can only select one of these three right right, whatever whatever fits their particular.

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Whatever provides the most credit and understanding their their taxable income.

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Comes into play and everything else, so we need to be very conscious about what we're telling.

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People here and let them know that these people are not just coming here and drawing.

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Tax-Free money they're also making income and paying taxes right and they're paying.

A

Income tax- that was my point about home home ownership and several other things and the one.

G

Other piece of clarity I would like here is this 75 to 99, okay, so one would believe that if you're.

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100 non-permanent this would be applicable to you, so I want to make sure that if you're a hundred.

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Percent non-permanent, then it's applicable because you already have that that's already been done.

G

Right no 100 non-permanent. There is nothing for you period. Oh non-permanent right, okay,.

G

But if you're permanent it has to be permanent and total, you apply for number one. So this doesn't.

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Say a hundred percent, so are they saying that you're only eligible if you're, between 75 and 99.

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Percent, that's the way it's written, but we can written right here, yeah which, which is kind of.

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Messed up for the veterans that are 100, non-total and permanent, because you have an eight-year.

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Window before you actually become permanent, as defined by the department of veterans affairs.

G

So you have to have that disability for that extended amount of time before your permanent.

G

So do they just left? Are they left what happened to that one right or do they qualify because 99 is.

G

A part of getting to 100 sure I don't know why they picked 99. Why they just didn't that's. Why.

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This is why lawyers make all that money. Oh that's exactly right exactly right, so we'll we'll try to.

C

Back in the veterans, and no it doesn't impact me at all- none of this does yeah not me anyway.

B

No, this won't impact my question on the on the relative to income.

B

Federally adjusted gross income. What happens? I'm married filing as a couple mm-hmm? What's that? No.

B

It says: adjusted federal gross income less than 100 dollars. So if you're a couple, how do they.

B

Treat that or is it just or you file separately yeah, I guess you'd have to file separately. That's.

G

Get an accountant for that one above that you don't get it if you file jointly and you're above.

A

That income level, you don't get anything, that's what that says. That's right! It seemed like a.

A

huh That's not what it says. That's not what it says, but it doesn't say anything about it. So.

B

Your question that you have surviving spouse are: they? Are they find joy? Are they falling separately.

B

That's a huge difference: yeah, particularly of a two-person working family right. I guess.

D

Surviving spouse, wouldn't that be a widow or a widower yeah to me, surviving spouse is someone.

A

Yeah, the veteran's dead, the other one's yeah, I'm gone yeah, but that's they're still.

C

Well, we were at eight pages long in this memo. We got it down eight to two pages, so there might be.

C

Some other stuff yeah I'd like to see the well the the full readout for this, but also I'm glad.

G

There's no age on this, because, if you're, 26 and you're getting out of the military- and you want.

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To buy a home and your job is paying you 56 000 a year or 42 000 a year. This with the.

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The um va home mortgage program and this it makes home ownership.

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That much more of a reality for our younger veterans getting out right, which is a good.

C

Thing because some of them are doing two three four years, they're they're doing tours over in.

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Iraq, afghanistan, they're coming back and you know, they're getting into the field like.

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Commissioner, president said you know they might be getting a job on base or you know just getting.

G

Getting into a public safety field they're doing a lot of different things right.

G

And this I just I just look at it as a step for new home ownership, either way.

C

We can bring back some more information, we can talk to the treasurer. We can. You know.

C

Look at and maybe start developing. You know what an ordinance would look like. Yeah in.

C

The process in the application, because we would have to develop an application.

C

This is really the first step just to get your approval to start moving towards this direction.

C

Yeah, let's move forward, so we need. We need to uh wait on approving this tax credit right, yeah.

C

Yeah but you're wanting more information. Okay, so now you've been stretching it out to win.

C

I would if I can get info to take to the public hearing by march 16th. I think that would be great.

C

Because in that, if you decide to go forward with two weeks from now, then I would have to.

C

Develop and reduce, adjust the property, taxes and whatnot, for whatever credit you decide to do or.

C

Not do so we'll move this out until two weeks from now. Yes, that would be great is that okay.

A

Yeah everybody yeah yeah, yeah march 16th will be good times two weeks to more information. Yeah.

A

Right got it okay. What page are you on now? Okay, we're getting close to being almost.

C

Done, aren't you excited, that's not important, but all right look at page 23 23. I know I know.

C

That's right, 23! I don't know if catherine's here or not in the door, she just walked in the door.

A

You're, just in time all right good afternoon, everybody welcome.

M

You may recall it: in december, we presented the carefirst premium rebate and during that.

M

Conversation we discussed retiree health benefits um and the commissioners asked for me to come back.

M

With some examples of retiree health benefits, specifically for elected officials,.

M

So if you look at the summary and the memo that describes what our current policies are,.

M

So active employees, 85 of the health premium, is subsidized grant and revenue employees hired after.

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January 31st 2005 are not eligible for retiree health they're required to pay a hundred percent.

M

Of their retiree health and then retiree health insurance, vesting is displayed on the chart.

G

G

What's the crux of this.

M

I'm sorry, I didn't hear you what's the.

G

Crux of this: what's the change? What's so that's on 24. yeah, that's I'm trying to yep.

M

So on the next page is a chart that describes the vesting schedule for calvert and charles.

M

And then on the on the robot up below maryland state employees and then the.

M

Two different types of elected officials in the state of maryland, but what's the fiscal.

D

Note am I looking at it and not saying it. Is there a fiscal note as what this there is not.

D

Right, so we don't know what it'll change it'll cost to change. It.

M

We were just looking at the difference. Some municipalities and some.

M

Organizations have different vesting schedules for elected officials, um and it looks like it's.

M

Primarily driven by term limits, and we wanted to present what that, what those schedules are.

G

So what was the conversation I had with you, but it looks like our.

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Counties are in line with the tri-county areas, roughly.

M

So, interestingly, though, calvert and charles their elected officials do not have term limits.

B

That's the difference, oh yeah, so their vesting schedule is on the same for all.

M

Employees, including elected officials just like it currently is in saint mary's, but again they.

M

Don't have term limits, so elected official could do 25 years would be like the sheriff.

D

Treasurer correct, correct all right, so what was the I can't remember. The percentage breakdown.

G

What was it, I said? Was it 15 after three into the third term? What I'm, what I'm, what I'm thinking.

B

Aloud is we would look at ourselves as being per se legislators because that's our function.

A

The the state legislators only pay 40 state legislatures pay. If you look at that category, four.

B

Terms 16 years they pay 20, and then it goes down differently. My idea is that we are term limited.

B

In saint mary's, so basically we would be the equivalent of a four-term state legislator.

B

Because of the term limitations, so the idea would be that if you can make it through three terms,.

B

You get the 20, you get an 80 20 split. I thought we said with 80 15 on three terms or 80. It was if.

G

You make it or you could be like you could be the equivalent of a county. 85 15., 85 15, is what it was.

B

Can go that way and then at two terms you go back and look at a prorated basis, such as the maryland.

B

Legislature, prorated basis, says they're based upon you know two terms, get you something. That's 20.

B

Equivalent of 75 25., something like that yeah, wasn't it 75 25 that I said in our conversation I.

G

Think so it was 75 25 on two terms and then three terms it was 85 15.. I think so. I think I think.

G

Yeah yeah, I think that was yeah, that's in here. No, that was a conversation that commissioner o'connor.

B

Three months ago, here yeah, it was three months ago we had the conversation at the dyess, but then.

G

uh Speaking with commissioner morgan, we came back and forth on a few different things. Looking at it.

G

But I just asked right now: a maryland state, elected official yeah, two terms: eight years is.

A

75 25 right yep right now for us is nothing 100, correct, yeah, it's 100! So that's what uh I guess.

G

The I guess the feeling behind it is is looking at bringing us more in line with the with the.

G

State on the medical benefits, um because one you don't touch retirement being separate from it. You.

G

I'm never gonna see not anytime soon, you'll probably be able to draw on yours.

G

um Not immediately, I don't know because I you have to be 65 or you know, I don't get any retirement in.

A

The state, well, you will you're going to stay. You get a state retirement. You suffer at eight years.

G

Do I get retirement eight years ten years, ten years? So if you, if you're one another term, I had.

A

To I'd run another term, but I'm limited on that yeah. If I don't, if I after this term, I'm done.

A

Eight years I get no retirement, I get the money, the money that the state has now will come back.

A

To me, correct- and I put in my voyage account, for example, right correct without paying any taxes.

A

Right or go to vacation, but I have, but I have no other. I not that I need yeah, not that I need any.

A

Medical myself, but I would have no medical if I didn't have it. I'd lose my medical.

A

I think the bigger picture here is it it's not just about us. I think you're. If you're looking at.

G

The county and the dynamic, generally speaking, yes, the the compensation review commission, did.

G

One thing to attract more people to run for office. Yes, and I think that.

G

This overall, when you're, looking at it for somebody that is, I would say more so.

G

And part of me here, but myself and commissioner colvin's age bracket, let's put it that way,.

G

And you're, using that money in the medical benefits it's an important factor when you're.

G

Looking at how many times you're going to run or if you're going to run or if you're, going to stay.

G

In the kitchen, if you're going to run it all yeah, it is because, when you advertise what you know, you.

G

Say 56, but I think the when you obviously display something, and you know what the total compensatory.

G

Package would be, you know if you put it together for somebody right like this is what you're.

G

Actually, what it means, if you run for office and you're dedicated, and you make it and you run again.

G

And the people decide to actually keep you. um So that's part of the total package like correct.

G

You know so I I still don't get it, though, so what happens is if.

D

Right now, if you serve two terms, there's no help with health insurance. If you wanted to stay on.

A

Maybe 100 years there's no, even after 10 from the county, no correct, there's, no subsidy and okay.

D

And what you're talking about doing is: if someone has two terms, they would get some kind of a credit.

M

Yes, that's one of the um that's. What maryland does that's? What maryland does to our state legislators.

A

Senators, their people are all paid after eight years, have a 75, 25 split delegates. I have.

M

Delegates have a 40 percent, it's 60 40.. Do you see that 60 40 state 60 and the delegates.

D

40 40. and then state elected officials. It's the 75 25., who is state elected officials, yeah, who.

A

Are they that would be um the attorney general yeah attorney general governor.

M

Ritz's office, no, no, the governor's not included in here. I know the governor is excited for the.

A

Lieutenant governor maryland elected right, so you're talking frost in that bunch right, yep.

M

Yep and we haven't figured out what this would cost us if we went with one scenario.

D

Or another, so we did speak to bolton and it would change our opeb um liability.

M

um But not by much because there's not electricity right, yes, yes, yep and because there's not a.

M

Large number of people right, so it would have a small impact right. It would have a small impact.

C

It would just be adding additional employees that could be part of the retiree plan. Correct yep,.

B

um So what I'm just thinking about is we look at elected officials in the county that would.

B

Not just include commissioners, who include the treasurer, um the judges of the orphans court.

B

Probably talking boe people they're, not in part of the medical plan, I would like to include.

B

Our c d, how about the metropolitan commission or the planning commission.

B

So I'm saying anyone who is an elected official that currently has.

B

Participation in the retirement program or in the benefits program would be consider in the.

B

Plan and using the example here that three terms was 15 years. That would be 85, 15 split, but three.

D

Terms, stress is only only 12 years, so you just equate well I'm doing the fact that you're you're.

B

You're limited here because of term limits. The term moment is what messes things up.

B

So I'm trying to find a fair way of term limits, because you can't do anything more after term.

B

Limits are through well. Do you want to include rc and d anyway, I'm going to get so I'm saying.

B

Here that, after three terms, you would have an 85 15 split after two terms, you have a 75 25 split.

B

The same thing would then occur in the cases of elected officials that they.

B

Stayed 12 years they would be at 85-15 if they had stayed for eight years, they'd be at 75-25 and the.

B

Anomaly that I'd like to throw in there is that our c d, which is a combined state county function,.

B

Has no benefits at the end when they retire, and that was how come state doesn't take care.

D

Of their employees well, I have no idea, but that was the letter received earlier this week, asking.

B

That we would take indica what, if we're going to do this, take into consideration our cnd director.

B

And then just lump it into one big package I mean: would that fall under other state employees.

D

Treasurer or health department or well no, it could be elected officials in the county.

M

All right, regardless of the term, I'm sorry, regardless of term limits.

D

Let me understand again, so if a commissioner serves one term, if somebody serves one term.

D

That the split is zero county 100 percent. That person correct. That person serves two terms.

D

Eight years it's how much county 75 25, okay and if they are successful for three terms, 85 15, correct.

D

And would that also apply that that ratio applied to uh brucian? I would propose that.

B

Or because he's the anomaly that was the request of the letter, we got.

D

Why would we want to do it if the state don't want to.

G

Because we're better than the state, because he's really because he's.

B

I'm using bruce as the example could be anybody in the future.

B

Because, let's just say some things, okay could be john doe. They fall into this bucket of nothing.

B

You serve all those years and your salary was split between the county and the state and at.

B

The end of the day, no one's there looking out for you at your when you're done, so the idea is you've.

D

Been there 32 years, you may have known that going in and as you went along, you know I did. I just.

B

Read the letter: well, I so you know, commissioner morgan I'll do this. I make a motion to.

G

Change the healthcare benefits package for elected officials with to include the director r c and d.

G

All right to two terms being a 75 percent county share, 25 percent elected official.

G

Share and after three terms, 85 percent county share and 15 elected officials share.

B

And then, as far as years are concerned, let's take into consideration let's say the treasurer.

B

The treasurer could run unlimited, as could our sheriff it doesn't matter, but it's it's.

B

It's finite: this is it that's fine for now, including the rcnd director as being.

B

A three-term person- yes, that's how I laid it out, but now rcd directors, yep, okay and we don't know.

D

Have a fiscal note on this correct: is it wise to vote on something without a fiscal note? It's.

G

Minimal from what miss pratzen said in opeb, why wouldn't we just have the rc and d director just.

H

Follow the other county retirement plans well I'll, accept the friendly uh amendment. If you serve 15.

H

Years they get support for the county, page 42 and a half percent 20 years 63.. That's fair!.

G

Okay, uh are you gonna make an amendment yeah? Okay, all right? Well, I I accept the amendment.

G

Just need a second now, second,.

A

Did everybody get the amendment down and got the sir? What is what the motion is.

I

The motion is to have the health care benefits package for elected officials, two terms uh county.

I

75 25 for elected officials, percentage split, three terms: 85 county 15, elected officials and.

I

With the friendly amendment, the rcd director would follow the saint mary's county government plan.

A

That sounds that's fair and may I just add the cultivation allowing the commissioner president to.

M

Sign the documents, because there is a trust there is a retirement, allow and allowing the commission.

G

Or president to sign the related documents got it is that acceptable? Everybody retroactively.

H

Affect previous elected officials that served three terms or more.

G

Moving forward- and we don't know what this is going to cost and we're telling people we're going.

D

To increase our benefits at the taxpayers, expense, and we don't know what it's going to cost. You.

D

Is that what we're saying here? No, no! I know I know what we're saying here.

A

He wanted analysis first before we vote on this. I just think you know we should know what it is.

D

Yeah you gotta first and a second. It looks like we're making ourselves we're padding ourselves.

H

That's fair: I think we could get an analysis before we.

H

Move forward with this that makes sense, can we can we achieve an analysis say in the next.

A

Two weeks or next week and try to bring something back yeah I can bring something back to the next.

M

Budget work session- okay, next tuesday, then next week- oh, I don't know if next tuesday.

A

Is that agreeable to everybody, or do we want to uh yeah so maybe well, we can leave the.

D

Motion on the floor, you got a motion in the second commission. A president. It seems like you'd have to.

G

Deal with it, you can leave the motion uh in the second on the floor, pending the information right.

C

We'll try to bring that back within the next two budget work sessions so because we have.

C

To we're working tonight probably to get ready for the next one, so are you tabling the motion.

D

Is that what you're doing well, would this change everybody's mind on this? It's not.

G

Okay, we're going to leave the motion on the floor until next week. Well, it's not going to.

D

Change anybody's mind: you've got a point, commissioner president, I mean it's not. I.

G

Know it's minimal at best in the entire scheme of the opeb. That's why you're adding five people to.

G

To opeb I mean, if you look at this board, it's like we're, not retroacting this to nobody. This is from.

A

Now on right: it's not it's, not retroactive! It's retroactive! I'm sorry tell me if, if these guys.

D

These guys leave the board after a couple of so we got to pay their health insurance for the next.

D

30 years or 40 years, as long as we're alive. Well, that's why we like people like meet us, older yeah.

D

Let's talk about the way it is, but we advertise that I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm.

A

Gonna use it as my campaign next time and like me, you have to pay all these damn benefits.

A

I won't live that long. You're, just gonna have to tell them you you you. Well, I mean. Do you wanna.

A

We've tabled it now until next week and katherine's going to bring back the uh approximate.

A

Amount that this might cost the government how's- that is that good, is that good everybody.

G

I think it's easier just to have the have the uh the vote and and get it done. I mean I is.

G

It is it really yeah. We can wait a week, it's not going to hurt anything for a week, because I don't.

A

Let's wait one week, I'm ready all right, how's that wait one week: okay, we'll get.

A

That we'll get that fiscal note on that: okay, all right, so that one's that's a week! Okay,.

A

Well, we've done all five decisions here already: yes, we have. Yes, you have thank you. You have.

I

Direction on all five is there anything else left that you have yes, so you approved the impact fee.

C

You approved the changes to the ciap right as presented and we're going to bring back info on.

C

The emergency communication center um property tax credit we're going to wait a few weeks and.

C

Get some more two weeks on that right right and uh try to come back with a sample ordinance.

A

Okay, um retiree health insurance with a fiscal note next week or a week after, and then you.

C

Approve the current property tax rate to main stay at 0.8478 right, so, thank you very much. um Are we.

A

Everything else, mr cut morning, I think we're good for the day um we'll be back next tuesday.

C

And we'll be going over the um follow up from the day, okay, and also starting and operating.

C

And um the board of education's budget so with that, um thank you very much uh for a.

C

Good session commission have any questions for mrs cudmore yeah. I would just say that miss cubmore.

G

The the first point of order that I'll need to be on the next budget work session is the fiscal note.

G

For ms pratsen, because we're leaving with a for the motion on the floor, so um that would be the.

G

First thing needs to be the first point of order that that motion needs to be completed before.

G

We move forward with the rest of the meeting, so that's it and I think miss preston get that we can.

C

Send something to bolton and try to get that included in the work session next week there you.

A

Go okay how's that very much oh! We all agree with that. Okay, our session is over. Thank you very much.

A