St. Mary's County, MD Planning Commission for St. Mary's County, 15 Mar 2021

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Good evening, I'd like to help welcome everybody to the march 15th meeting of the saint mary's.

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County planning, commission, our meeting is being recorded for the public record.

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Any comments made by anyone present or on webex must be recorded as part of the record. Therefore,.

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Your comments cannot be recorded and placed in the record unless they are done in this fashion.

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Them to the appropriate person for an answer. Please keep your comments to five minutes or less.

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Anyone testifying or asking questions during our public hearings will be required to take a note.

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And I thank you for your cooperation. I ask that everybody put their cell phones on silence and.

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Also to speak, as I say, directly to a microphone on our agenda this evening. We have just one case.

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And that is, I just wanted to get the number. Oh.

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This is a continuation from um I believe it was december 14th if I'm not mistaken,.

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And that will be a number 20-132-010 for the avid hotel and was continued from december 14th.

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This time, I let the board members introduce themselves starting to from my left, patty.

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Robreck howard thompson and joe van kirk, merle evans, also with us out in webex land. We have.

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Joe physikas of kim summers and bj hall also with us this evening,.

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From the plan uh from the land use and growth management department, the director mr bill hunt.

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Is here as planner brandy, glenn and also courtney, jenkins and kathy garcia? Is our administrative.

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Coordinator, our video media producer is amy carter and from the county attorney's office is.

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Mr david weiskopf from the department of public works and transportation, we have john dietrich.

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And I was just seeing if we had anybody else, also from saint mary's, county metropolitan commission.

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Returning to join us is mr andy, balkin.

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Okay, did everybody have a chance to review the march 8th minutes? Are there any corrections.

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Hearing, none I'll accept a motion to uh well. I would like a motion to accept those.

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I will make a motion to accept the minutes of the eight march 2021 planning commission meeting. I.

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Have a motion to have a second, a second I'll, have a second by miss summers: okay, I'll go down the.

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The list mr van kirk you're. First this week, hi merle evans, aye, heidi robert aye, joe fazekis aye,.

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Kim summers hi, mr hall, I think you were absent. I hope you feel better. This hearing.

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And I vote I okay, um so this is a continuation.

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If there's anybody testifying tonight um I'll go ahead, let's see mr mahaffey uh miss chandler.

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And anybody else on your team, mr mahaffey, that might be testifying tonight plus staff here, if.

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You would, at this time I'll go ahead and get everybody sworn in. Just raise your right hand.

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Okay, do you declare an affirm under the penalty of perjury that the testimony responses and.

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Statements, you may give will be the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I do I do. Thank you.

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Okay, we left off.

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In the heat of the moment last december, we're going to start back up mr mahaffey, I think y'all.

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Staff had already given their presentation that night and I believe you we were talking about.

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A number of things, so I'm going to let you go ahead and start up tonight where, um where you.

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Would like to begin again and then we will um do as we always do um well. Thank you very much.

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I am going to share my screen.

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And bring up our presentation.

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So, um just to kind of remind everybody where we were.

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We we presented the case before you.

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Staff had done their presentation and and just in the way of review, what I'm.

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I'm gonna say that.

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Mr chairman, I'm I'm hearing myself talk just a second after I talk and it's kind of distracting.

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Do I just have to put up with that? Well, you can turn your sound down.

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A little bit, maybe um you might try that turning your sound down. Otherwise, it almost sounds down.

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Pretty much you may just can you can you hear me? Okay now clearly, yeah perfectly all right.

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So in the way of introduction, um the owner of this property project is three notch: hospitality, llc.

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And and those people are roenick and ashcar sony. um Mr sony.

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Roenick is with us this evening, virtually.

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And and I am going to fast track.

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Or fast forward, through the issues that really concern that the project has been through tec.

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And has received agency approvals.

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So we have basically technical review and that is complete um there. There were a couple.

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Of issues that were brought up and that's where we're going to kind of fast forward to.

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And, as you remember, we we talked about the existing site.

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The vfw is to the north.

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The stephens lived to the to the east to the south are a few residential lots that are along.

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uh By the mill road and then there's some commercial properties on the corner by the mill.

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That proceed toward the site, and then we finish up with on bear insurance. That's just east of the vfw.

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um Now, I'm just I'm just displaying a iterative layout of this concept plan.

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And as a and as I described before, that phase one is, is the hotel.

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That the long side is parallel to the the stevens property line.

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um That is really the plan that the the three notch hospitality.

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Has in mind, however, what we wanted to demonstrate was that the site had other development potentials.

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So we've shown a second hotel and a retail and residential mixed use component.

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So with that being said, I just the the project is in is consistent with the comprehensive plan.

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And the lexington park plan, the property is zoned in mxm.

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It's located within the lexington department, development district.

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And the uses that are proposed: hotel, retail and residential mixed multi-family residential.

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Are all permitted within the the zoning district.

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um The development is compliant with in with.

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The density and intensity standard standards as regulated and set forth in schedule, 32.2.

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The project is is consistent with the county annual growth policy.

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In as much as that were proposed in 10 residential units, there will be a increase in the school.

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Facilities demand.

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And that this easily fits within the.

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Annual growth policy, that, with oversight from the director of land, youth and growth management,.

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The project meets the established goal of the county to address hospitality and.

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Tourism within the county, the project has been designed to meet all of the objectives.

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Of the comprehensive zoning ordinance and is regulated by the major site plan.

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Apf findings will be made made to assure.

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The safety of public roads and essential services will be provided in an efficient manner.

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And the preservation of the health, safety and general welfare of the community.

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Adequate developed, recreational and community amenities are provided as much as required.

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By the comprehensive zoning ordinance, we have not received any any sort of request.

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From the department of recreation and parks to include any additional.

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Infrastructure, the project has been designed to be consistent and in accordance with.

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Chapter 62 of the comprehensive zoning ordinance and the planning commission does have review authority over the.

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General aesthetics of the building this the staff has not indicated any.

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Any deficiency with the corporate design that has been presented.

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Now I'm going to go through a couple of items that are listed in the adequate public facilities.

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And- and I am going to just skip over anything having to do with traffic because we'll take.

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That up, because that was an identified issue when, when we were at your hearing in december.

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As I mentioned before, there's a small increase in student population.

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Projected because of the 10 residential units.

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It's anticipated that the project build out would be in.

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About five years, the technical evaluation committee reviewed the concept plan.

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And I think I skipped a slide. Excuse me. Pardon me.

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It's not um the tec, reviewed the project and, and the reports indicate that we meet all technical.

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Requirements for approval.

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Here again, I'm going to just kind of jump over the roads portion of this report.

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I I just if you would bear with me: I backed up a page. This is what we're looking at right here is.

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Is the report that we furnished to the tec back in july, first of 2020. um and as you'll notice, that.

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The the traffic study had not been done at that point, but but it has been done now.

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Water and sewer will be provided to the site.

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There are adequate lines with adequate capacity to serve this property.

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The schools will have a small impact and it is anticipated that they'll be accommodated with the.

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Annual growth policy, storm drainage, sediment erosion, control and stormwater management.

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Will be more fully developed during the major site plan portion of the project.

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But just to note, because it did come up with the last hearing- that the stormwater management plan.

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Has been reviewed and it meets the standards of of the state law and and.

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That we have the concurrence of both public works and soil conservation to support that.

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The proposed buildings will be sprinklered, therefore, adequate.

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Fire prevention and suppression will be provided.

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So there are no conditions of inadequacy to the public facilities except in traffic, that we will.

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We will address in a few minutes, but at the time when I wrote this report in.

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July there was not aware of anything because the results of that report had not been.

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Had not been completed, um as required by these zoning ordinance, we provided this schedule 70.5.

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And we filled this out to show the in the uh the growth and the implementation of the various.

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Aspects of the projects we would anticipate that the total project build out would be five years.

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So so with that.

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There was a comment concerning the intensity and the size of the development.

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And and I'm going to draw your attention back to this slide, three.

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And if you look at the bottom, you'll notice that the total square footage of the buildings are 78.

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800 some square feet which results in a floor area ratio of 0.34.

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And and I think it's interesting to note that the base density base floor area ratio.

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Of this priority project, with its current zoning is 0.6.

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So the permitted by right development could be twice of what we have shown on this plan.

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And it could be increased with transfer development rights.

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However, we're really not proposing more than that, I mean you see what we're proposing. So it's.

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It's much less than what was envisioned by the comprehensive plan.

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And so just to continue our presentation, I'm gonna, I'm gonna turn the the meeting over to jackie.

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um At this point,.

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Good evening this is jackie chandler, with traffic concepts.

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I'm getting that same feedback that billy was getting.

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I apologize, I just want to give a little bit of a background, remind everybody where we were so in.

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The december 14 2020 planning finish meeting. There were some questions about the traffic impact study.

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There was a comment letter from the city highway administration that had been issued the friday.

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Before, on december, the 11th we did have a chance to respond to that letter on december.

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22Nd, you should have copies of all these letters in your documents.

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um And on january the 20th 2021 there was an email from the state highway administration.

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That indicated that they would have comments released by february the 5th.

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But in the meantime they made a note that state highway had no objection.

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To the county, granting concept plan approval and would continue to work with the applicant.

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Their representatives and the county to formalize mitigation.

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On february 5th, we did receive highway administration comments, they were absent.

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Comments from one of the departments of the state highway, which is referred to as tdsd.

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Known as traffic development and sport division, but that first comment letter.

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The state indicated that they wanted an improvement at maryland, 235 and fdr.

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um We had given them some options that could be done there and the state picked one of our options.

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I would refer to that as option two and then on february the ninth. We received an email from that.

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Additional state highway agency pbse. um They also wanted us to pursue this option too. At 2 35 at fbr.

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Then, on march, the 3rd of 2021, we had a virtual meeting with county staff.

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And the state highway administration through the mitigation that's been offered for the development.

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At that meeting, the county requested that we write a formal letter explaining all of the mitigation.

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That the broker was offering. We did that on march, the 4th submitted to dpwnt. We received a response.

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On march, the 10th from mr dietrich, with an attachment dated march 11 from donnie mills,.

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So we ended up with three improvements that this caliper is offering.

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Billy's billy has some slides. He can pull up so improvement. One.

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Is along the frontage of the property, and I believe we discussed that at the last meeting.

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They are going to build a portion or they're offering to build a portion of the third through.

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Lane that will ultimately be connected by the last phase of the lexington exchange development.

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Then improvement number two was this improvement that the state highway administration.

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um Wanted to have done at maryland, 235 at fdr.

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We had offered them three different options here. The city was concerned about u-turn movements.

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uh For folks, that would want to get into this proposed site.

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uh They're worried about a weaving condition here, so we we offer them three different options.

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One was to simply sign I'm going to call it the southbound or eastbound approach of 235.

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To mark that is no u-turn. The second option we offered to the state is the one.

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You see on the train, this would physically prohibit. The left turns from the mill road.

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And it would sign no u-turn in the southbound, slash eastbound direction. 235.

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Our third option that we offered to the state that they did not agree with was to.

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Offer this offer a traffic signal here with a full movement everywhere.

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um That would also, I think that would be the best option from a traffic standpoint.

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Because you would, it would allow left, turns out of fdr, which is prohibited now.

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Take some of some relief off of the 235 intersection steve for some reason. Doesn't.

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Want a signal here, so they picked this option that you're seeing on the screen.

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And then, as a third improvement, lily has another uh slide here.

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This improvement will extend. The existing double left turns off the 235 into wildwood.

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This improvement, we talked about at our county staff and state highway administration meeting.

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That may or may not be necessary the methodology that.

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Requires us to use to determine if there's a queuing issue, it's a bit extreme. It requires us to.

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Assume that every vehicle that approaches this left turn they will be stopped signal.

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Never approaching on a green arrow and in addition to that, they added a 40 percent urge factor.

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So this may or may not become a problem in the future.

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But we have offered it as an improvement by this developer.

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To mitigate the you know, their impact along the corridor, so just as a summary.

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There will be three improvements that are offered.

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The first is a portion of the additional third through lane on northbound 235.

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Second, improvement would be the proposed pork chop island that will prohibit lefts out of.

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By mill road and turns on 235, and then the third improvement will be to extend.

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The existing left turn lean into wildwood. So that's that's a summary of everything.

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And where we are at this point, um if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer.

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Anybody have any questions for mrs chandler.

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You have a couple go ahead. Joe um did the state say why on improvement, two.

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They wouldn't have want that, wanted that to be a signalized full movement intersection.

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They didn't say specifically: we've looked at this in the past when fdr was constructed.

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I can remember having conversations with tom forever when he was in tpw. Could you put it in.

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It could mr mahaffey put improvement two up instead of three, so we can see it. Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Yeah, so it was my understanding at the time when fdr was constructed.

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That there was an issue that the state did not want to signal with this location.

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When we offered it again, this time.

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You know we offered the three different options and they requested that we look into this one.

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Let me I think dps has a different opinion. I tend to agree with agreeing with apr that.

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A signal would would work here, but it's I think it's going to be a struggle to get it approved.

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Okay, um we happen to have mr dietrich here from department of public works.

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We can get his input in on that sorry, mr dietrich, I was looking down here and.

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And if I could I'm going to put the put the memo from mr dietrich on the screen now.

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uh Good good evening john dietrich, director of public works and transportation for saint.

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Mary's county- um I just want to address that one point that jackie made about.

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The full movement intersection. We certainly support that at dpw.

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In a meeting district five told us, they didn't want to put the signal there because they were.

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Afraid that it would affect the throughput of 235 now they've actually never put that.

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In writing. But again, this is their philosophy. They see, you know, 235 has to be an arterial.

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It's got to be a collector distributor and it's got to be a local road, all wrapped into one road.

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Which is problematic, you know it means it can't possibly serve all those three purposes. Although.

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It's got to you know: it's got driveways every how many feet you know it's. It's a got. A problem.

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um But so they focus on the throughput. The arterial highway function.

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So- um and we don't agree with that, especially in this area in the development district.

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Because we feel that there's a local need in there not just to get people back and forth to.

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The base during rush hour, let me ask a quick follow-up question. Mr dietrich. I'm not sure.

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Being on the southbound lane, I mean it crosses over to to the north, but is that intersection.

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Going to have a major impact, no matter what they do there, with this channelization of the.

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No u-turn and right right and you know no left on this specific hotel um plan.

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Yeah when we first don mills and I, along with some other people, first looked at those options that.

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That were I better, not call them options they're the kind of the alternative for option, two that.

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The state came back with, uh we thought the pork chop, island and eliminating the u-turns. There was.

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A good idea, but after we really dove into it and broadened our viewpoint and if what it would do is.

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It would send all the traffic that's southbound on 235 trying to get to all those uh uses. You know on.

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By the mill, those commercial as well as a hotel, it would send them all down to route 4 to do a u-turn.

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That can't possibly be a positive thing to do, because it's already.

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Well, you know it backs up, uh conversely, for the northbound traffic that um coming out of the hote.

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So people coming out of the hotel or out of by the mill road uh would not be able to turn left on 235.

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So they would have to go up to wildwood boulevard to make a u-turn. So if the state.

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Forces the developer to do the pork chop island for some reason. I think we definitely got a length.

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In the queuing distance at wellwood boulevard, if we don't do u-turn, it might still be a good idea.

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But it's not, it wouldn't be in my opinion and don's opinion. It wouldn't.

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Have uh without that, without blocking those turns that by the mill and fdr.

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It might not be quite as necessary, so I hope that made sense, because we got three options.

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You know we got three alternatives for two of the and one of the options so yeah. It's.

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Your opinion on that, when you're talking about u-turns and such um you just touched on a spot.

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If you're going on to st andrews church, road and you're getting ready to go on to fdr boulevard.

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There, but you choose to make a u-turn there, which is allowed. It's not doesn't have a sign.

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Up that says that um I have a pickup. It's not a not a big pickup like brandy has or.

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Anything like that, but I mean it's it's a pickup. I can't make that u-turn. There.

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Then- and I didn't find that out until I tried it one day and then I had to.

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Throw it in reverse- and I had about five cars blowing horns at me and I had problems there.

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I'm thinking it's not gonna, be a whole lot better right there on 235, where, as you said, making the.

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U-Turn at the uh ralph iv intersection right there going across, though it's one lane wider. It's.

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Most, a lot of vehicles aren't going to be able to make that turn. So that's that's going to cause.

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Some headaches, um of course, now that's part of the what they want to do to to alleviate these.

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Problems, you know right there with this pork chop and all that, so um is there going to be any way.

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um I know up on north on 235, they have like turnaround zones, but they say no trucks.

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You know, is that going to become one of those. Is that would you all study that or would the.

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State study that, in your opinion, I know you can't speak for them- was that something that would have.

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To be studied to see if in fact, they'd have to put up no, you know no u-turn for trucks.

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Yeah I, as you said, I really can't answer that uh it would be something we'd recommend.

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uh Possibly I mean I guess, we'd have to look at it too. I have to look at that. Turning.

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Templates and so forth, but if you had a problem there, that's not a good thing.

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Okay, let me let me follow that up with just my initial question about that.

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I mean I can understand doing something there and I I'm assuming it's in talks with this.

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Project because it's one of the studied closest intersections to the to the project, I still don't.

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Quite see what the difference that's going to make there for the avid hotels project, which is.

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Across the road in north a little a little ways, it's not going to, I mean the cars, can't they.

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Can't come south on the northbound lane to get to that. So it's! I guess, they're going to have to.

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Still go up to wildwood and do something to get back.

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To get back south right, so I don't quite understand.

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The major validity of this particular intersection- I understand, study and stuff. My.

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One of my more surprising questions is that out of the initial paperwork that we got back in december,.

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From mdot that had all the point-by-point questions on it, as ms chandler has noted,.

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And I seen I've seen their responses and some of their responses are so lengthy and confusing.

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That myself and I don't even know state highway- knew what they were talking about, but.

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It just seemed to be a little little confusing.

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The one that I find the most dangerous in just from my standpoint, not as an engineer.

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Or a traffic person is the very first one that mr mikado addresses that says they have to when they.

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Leave that site of the avid hotels they've got to cross three lanes of traffic within 350 feet.

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At the speed of posted speed of 55 right and if you listen to sheriff cameron on the.

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Commissioner's meeting last week, he even said traffic speeds are out of control.

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All throughout the area, not just on 235, I think you were at the meeting. I think.

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I seen you in the audience, but it's seems to be that was kind of passed by.

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And it looks like the everybody's hands was washed of it, which I find to be one.

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Of the more concerning issues- and I think somewhere in there, it said post somewhere.

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Where you couldn't do a u-turn, well, then people who's coming out of that hotel are not locals.

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So they're not going to previously know, there's a no u-turn sign. I guess I don't know where you'd.

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Put it at wildwood, I'm assuming which people make u-turns there all the time, so it wouldn't work.

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So now they're crossing three lanes of traffic in 350 feet and realize: oh there's, a new u-turn sign.

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Let me get back out in the crazy three lanes of traffic to try to go somewhere where I can.

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Legally make a turn what's what's happened to that particular bullet point from mr mercado.

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Mr van kirk, yes, thank you. This is jackie chandler with traffic concept. Mr mercado's concern was with.

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This u-turn, that billy has up on the screen at by the mill road for folks that were wishing to enter.

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The hotel, okay, so their concern was that, where we have a proposed supposed, no u-turn is that.

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Those vehicles would try to make their cheaper turn and then they'd have to weave across two.

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And ultimately, three leans: whenever third lanes completed within 350 feet get into the.

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I was a little confused about. Thank you, jackie, what that was, but but now that you've brought.

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That up when people pull out of that hotel and they want to go up and they want to go back to.

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Lexington park, they want to go back, yeah they're, going to have to go across that three lanes of.

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Traffic, real quick uh in order to get it one way or the other, though that's not going to go away. I.

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Mean that's the way it's being built because they they couldn't get access through to by the mill.

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Road yeah, I understand, but it still doesn't make it any better. I mean there's a lot more distance.

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Between the our hotel to get into the make a u-turn at wildwood, okay, do you have an approximate.

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Footage of that.

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I can measure that.

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Because that's a two two, a double lane turn.

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um Plus, as I say, the other, the other couple lanes of traffic- and I think probably one of the reasons.

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That state highway administration didn't want to put a light there at um say fdr by them by the.

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Mill road intersection in all is when they light out of route 4 heading north on 235.

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They're in a pretty damn big hurry coming straight up through there and have another.

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Light, I can understand why they didn't want it. I can also understand why you would want it because.

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It makes your intersection safer to go in and out of fdr boulevard. If that light was there.

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And it would probably slow things down a little bit which nobody wants to hear about 235 having to.

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Slow down for anything on that the rush hours have changed, but they're going to come back. I mean this.

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This is uh I'm not going to say temporary, but it it it will work its way back. I'm.

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Pretty positive on that and.

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Good to be clear, though, dpw and t definitely support steady of a signal at that location.

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Yeah but we can't build it, so I don't know I wish you could like. I say I think maybe it would slow.

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Slow that down and would help the hotel, because the traffic would be a little bit slower.

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Correct give you a chance I'll, say a break in the action to um get people out of the hotel and to.

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That intersection and make that u-turn they're not going to have that break people aren't going to.

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Give you a break, I watch people and my wife gets on me sometimes too, because if I'm in that right.

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Lane don't come up beside me in that last I'll, say 50 feet and try to snuck over in front of me.

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Because I'm gonna, I'm gonna, give you a hard time getting in my lane, because I worked my way for.

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It so that that really sound real good for a planning commission to say. But that's part of.

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Life on 2 35 in the afternoons right tomorrow, um commissioner, the question came up is: how far is it.

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And it's about 660 feet from the exit from the hotel site to the beginning of the turn.

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Left turn lane at what for wildwood. Thank you, mr mahaffey you're welcome. Thank you. Billy.

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So him john good, mr john, why don't you hang around? I think you're we're going you're.

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Going you're going to make your money's worth tonight. This, I guess, is probably for.

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John and miss challenger, mr, um when you, the traffic study, was done. um You said that the.

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State highway really wasn't interested in a signal there um did. Was it directly broach with.

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Them with regard to the signal does it does the does that intersection warrant a signal.

G

I don't, oh sorry, go ahead, I wasn't sure if you were asking no, it's miss chandler. I guess.

H

Okay, yes, uh right now, you can't make a left out of fdr on the 235 right. That's typically the.

E

Volume that we would look at to determine if signal warrants were necessary right.

E

I think it would ultimately meet because it would take a lot of traffic off of the floor.

F

At 235 intersection, I think folks would cut through here if they could make a left out.

E

So I think it would meet warren. I think we could make it work progression wise and show the fate.

E

That it would work there, it's I'm not sure I mean I. I understand that their reluctance, but.

E

Those signals could be tied together and could be made to work, and that was my next point is.

H

That you know actually that point and then what uh mr thompson was just talking about.

H

When the light changes at four, um I I visited there three times last week,.

H

Sunday about 2 10, I sat at um that intersection to make a a right onto well to make a right onto 235.

H

Or a left on the 245, whichever one I could make, I sat there for over almost seven minutes.

H

um While cars believe me not approaching 55 miles an hour heading on their way to to wildwood.

H

I don't think there's any configuration that that would make sense to to you turn people back.

H

To route 4., I just think that's a bad idea and and to be honest, some years back.

H

We reached out to the state with regard to an intersection of st john's road.

H

We went round and round and round about that about that intersection.

H

And ultimately, I'm not sure we went out ultimately uh getting that intersection um signalized. I just.

H

When we start talking about trying to get folks out from either fdr or boulevard, well,.

H

In this case, you know just either.

H

Going, I guess, going south on 235 we're heading north.

H

It's it's, it's really difficult. I mean you can't it's and it's not it's. It's not safe.

H

So what I see is you know looking at this would be uh a re for me, reasonable assumption.

H

That that this, this area be signalized, as opposed to uh the options that.

H

That that have been presented, and then one thing that did concern me a bit too and and and some.

H

Of the email exchanges um and one email exchange, I guess it's from you who spoke to john mclough.

H

From sha and his comment- and I guess what you did you shared a comment he made that says he doesn't.

H

Want to hold up any uh land use approvals with sha comments. We we have struggled here for years.

H

For sha comments, and we would we, uh they are beneficial they're helpful for us to plan well.

H

um And so, uh and and it gets to a point sometimes where nobody wants to be responsible for what.

H

They say- and I think that's just an unfortunate that's just unfortunate.

H

um But anyway, uh I just I don't see how I don't see, how they can't consider or would not consider.

H

Signalizing um this intersection- and I understand this- you know succession of signals down the.

H

Down the road and the issues that they can be, that that can arise from them, but.

H

I just I don't I just don't see how this can be uh of the ones given can be as safe as having.

H

This thing signalized, that's it and the piggyback on that we're forgetting about the vfw next door.

A

Whereas people are pulling out of the hotel, we have people trying to pull in to the vfw.

A

Which has its moments? I mean they're, not busy every day during the day, but they have a lot of.

A

Functions for I'll, say, families and members, and things like that. um The people, as you say in the.

A

Hotel they're not gonna they're, not familiar most of the time with the area, and then you have the.

A

People that are trying to get in in there plus you have the by the mill road with a couple businesses.

A

So you have a lot of turning in and trying to get back out in that same right. Lane.

A

It's tough, I mean I'm, I'm I'm far from not wanting to see. You know the business because I believe.

A

The planning commission, as as members have stated you know we we do like business. We just like safe.

A

Safety, you know, safety is the main factor, um and what, and while this is not the responsibility of.

H

This applicant, uh the the third lane, uh the lane we talked about earl, you know before with regard.

H

That runs from four all the way to uh fdr. Well, that's responsibility. I guess is saint john's.

H

It and I I don't, I don't even know what the phasing is now of that when that's supposed.

H

To come along, but it's supposed to come along eventually um is is, is truly, is truly necessary.

H

Now um so, uh and I'm not saying suggesting that we, you know, move their requirements facing forward.

H

But but trying to get in and out of traffic um out of leaving leaving to you know, leaving four.

H

Heading north on 230, on 235, if you're in that inside lane, you have to get out of that lane.

H

And and get out of the way of the merging traffic, that's coming off of off of four and.

H

If you're, not if you're, not careful, you're going to run out of room and then what happens is.

H

You get to the end and then there's a struggle who's going to give in um and so that third lane.

H

Would be an enormous help, moving all the way to uh the saint john property.

H

And I understand, none of this is easy and I understand none of this is inexpensive, but.

E

It- and it is my understanding that saints on properties is currently designing. The additional.

H

Yes right yeah and I yeah, and I like I say I just don't know when when that's moving forward.

H

You folks proffer to do a piece you know in front of yours uh which you know. So what happens? Is you.

H

Wind up merging one way, merging the other merging back the other way and then you're trying to get.

H

Into your property, as mr thompson says, you're trying to merge into your property, you get into.

H

That lane and then you have the next property, um which is vfw and that's you know a lot of times.

H

There's nothing a lot of times. There's lots going on there. You know with lots of lots of traffic in.

H

And out and I'm concerned about the ability for these for these for this traffic, it's like weaving.

H

A basket they move, they move just sort of in and out of those out of those lanes, and I see that.

H

I see that as a a serious problem. All that said, we don't have the purview of state road here. Only.

H

Listening to me and mr thompson, mr van kirk, uh and neither does uh neither does dpw saint mary's.

I

Yeah, so how can you help giant, I mean: can you reach out well what yeah, uh so tomorrow, our.

G

Our annual mdot priority letter goes to uh county commissioners and one of the uh what's really.

G

The top priority is the four 235 intersection which would create a third lane through here.

G

So that's and we've given up on the bridge we gave up on the bridge a couple years ago, but um that's.

G

You know that's right, that's a priority for us, so the other uh piece of that is that we.

G

Another one of the priorities on there that we actually the advice that the planning group in.

G

Mdot told us to do was to ask to have four improved all the way from 235 out to the.

G

Bridge by adding a second lane uh through that intersection with uh patuxent boulevard, where it's.

G

Again, it squeezes down to one lane with no room so that that intersection could also become a problem.

G

If you created the porkchop island and you have people trying to turn u-turn, there there's just.

G

You know there's multiple knock-on effects that could happen with all of this.

G

The we, but our summary of it, is that really the hotel has to mitigate their impact.

G

And potentially, by doing by widening the putting the three lanes in at the development site itself,.

G

It provides the d cell and the axcel lanes they're, not overly long, but it provides those and then.

G

Potentially, if we can't get the traffic signal but extending those uh turn lanes, the.

G

Queuing area uh to walwood boulevard uh would go some distance towards helping that whole situation.

G

But I think the key thing, though, is I think in the third paragraph of my last memo.

G

Over to planning, which is that a lot is going to happen between today, if you approve it and.

G

uh When the the project is finally approved, it gets its final site plan approval, there's.

G

Many many steps, many steps of analysis that have to be gone through jackie and.

G

Bill and you know, they're going to be doing a lot of work with sha to try to figure out what.

G

In the world is really the best solution and uh I don't know how long that will take. But that's.

G

I mean you're in a way: you're crippled a little bit. You know.

G

Because you don't really know what's going to happen in that next phase.

H

We are crippled, I mean that you know we, this planning, commission. Ninety percent of the issues.

H

That come up at this planning commission with regard to development in development districts.

H

And wherever has to do with tran has to do with roadways, transportation and failing and failing.

H

Intersections I mean, I would venture to say the vast majority of what we've seen in the last year.

H

um We we reach out, we do zoning, we we zone it because we say this is what we want to have.

H

Happen there- um and this is what we this is part of this- this is rezoned for this very purpose.

H

um And so developers reach out based on that zoning and propose.

H

And make it make these proposals and then we have to sit here and because we have.

H

Have issues with traffic and these intersections it seems to me at some level very disingenuous.

H

um To to take um proposals, no, knowing that this is going to be what's going to happen, we're.

H

You know it's going to be back and forth, and it's not that we it's not that this board is opposed to.

H

As opposed to growth and development, especially in development districts,.

H

Because that's where we said we wanted it, that's we made that commitment to doing that, and yet here.

H

We are not just this project but other projects, um because because these you know these intersections.

H

Are failing and you're right, everybody should make um should have to provide mitigation for.

H

Their impact no question about that, but that does not mean that they should have to make.

H

uh An efd it doesn't work that way or it shouldn't work that way and it shouldn't be, and it should.

H

Not be difficult for common sense to look at this and say you know this. This needs to be addressed.

H

Somehow one other point is there: you guys have any aversion to a signal with regard to how it affects.

H

Fdr boulevard in this in this area, do we have an information? Is there an issue that you guys could.

H

See of the signal here with regard to everything: okay, yeah, that's what I thought: okay, that's yeah,.

G

Absolutely okay, but I wouldn't want to see that be a total stumbling block block to the project. No, no.

D

Sha has been not supportive of that so far right and I'm not and I'm not trying to look. I'm not.

H

Trying to get in any anybody's way, all I'm trying to do is get from where we are to where we, where.

H

We need to be, and if we're going to say, we want a development district, and this is what we want here.

H

Then infrastructurally there's some requirements to to provide the ability for them to do that.

G

Right so yeah there could even be an argument for crosswalks and all sorts of everything else.

G

Yeah, okay, thank you and also in many jurisdictions. They changed their level of service requirements.

E

For their development right yeah, mr mr hong, can I ask you a question real, quick and I'm not going to.

A

Put you on the spot, but I'm I'm going from memory now so and I'm not going to hold you to it because.

A

I can't tell you what I had for lunch yesterday, so I'm not going to hold you completely on memory, but.

A

When we're talking about the st john's property and such like that, do you remember um timeline.

A

Wise they're improvements that they have to have. No, so I don't remember the timeline, it was tied to.

F

What square footage and what type of uses that were actually built? Because I know if they have.

A

Another phase: that's when the I'll say the big chunk comes. That's when the route four.

A

To that property has to be you know, and by this company, if they, if they get approval, they're gonna.

A

They're gonna knock in a piece of it. um I was just wondering about a timeline on that. I mean.

A

That that would um resolve some problems if that route, four to um airport view were, were in place.

A

You know it would um I I'm not going to say alleviate all the problems it could.

A

Help anything can help at this point. Don't you know it just worries me, like I say now, is the.

A

Speed of traffic traveling north and then the the ends and the outs, the the people that are using.

A

That lane to to get as far as they can to um up to 35 versus the people that are trying to turn into.

A

By the mill road um and even the people that live, I know mr clements, that lives um before.

A

By the mill road yeah before by the milwaukee, you know those folks there's a.

A

Few houses right along there, a couple of them- are still residential.

A

I I've been at the wrath of mr clements. Before I mean he's, told me what's happening there.

A

Over the well, I mean he's he's a good man and he's not he's not scared. To tell you his opinion as to.

A

How the traffic is right, there he's got a valuable piece of property, but he's choosing to live there.

A

And that's his right, I mean he's had it for years, and um you know that I would not want to have to.

A

Try to pull out of his driveway at any time of the day, I'll be honest with you and I I feel.

A

For him I know he does a lot of things very early in the morning on the weekends, so he can get out.

A

And get back in that that shouldn't be the way, but you know even past that it's the the.

A

The outs and the ends, it's you know having to use this lane as a as a.

A

Entryway versus a passing lane type of thing and the sheriff's department.

A

Then the state police have a hell of a time because there's really no place for them to.

A

To park to I'll, say, uh police that little that that mile of traffic right in through.

A

There you know they're unless they park in somebody's driveway. You know and you can.

A

Only do with so much of that day because then, when you have somebody pulled over.

A

Then you have some more congestion that you have to deal with at that point of the day, so it's.

A

It's not fun, but it's the development district, mr mahaffey, said we're trying to work for you.

B

Wasn't saint tied to I mean some of it tied to their trips. They were given so many trips.

A

And, as he said, the square footage when they get over when they get done with this next phase. That.

A

That piece of road has to be built well, wildwood wildwood on the south side has mitigated to a.

H

Point where you know it's, it's not anything like on the north side. Oh yeah they've done everything.

A

They can do and it's if you travel that, especially in the mornings, it's very easy. You got that lane.

A

That goes through their day and it's like night and day going going south versus north night and.

A

Day, completely and and thanks to wildwood and that mitigation that was required, you know it's it. I.

H

Understand the mitigation part and there should be mitigation, but the fact of the matter is state.

H

Road has a requirement. Okay, you know. That's a state road um taxes are paid. We only get some of.

H

That money back, we send it up the road be nice, he gets on the back. You know you not have to struggle.

A

Okay, uh I've got an exhibit I can share if you would like that shows that lengthy road sure.

D

Do I need to take my share off? Let me.

E

E

Yeah, the mines.

E

E

E

E

This is the avid hotel site outlined in red.

E

This yellow portion of the extra lean is being done by wildwood.

E

And then this blue section is currently designed and I'm not sure if it's under construction, yet.

E

H

There's a bunch of the green area.

E

Was already constructed and then this purple area is the extra lean that we're talking about now.

E

From what I understand, internal properties is, has hired an engineer to design that so.

E

I think they're ready to move forward and then, as they get to their trip cap right.

E

And then the hotels would be building their portion of advantage of that.

E

J

Okay, all right, I have more traffic questions, but I'll. Let somebody else go. I've got.

A

Does any anybody else say any of our board members on webex do do any of you all have any questions.

A

K

Not this time miss summers.

J

L

Yes, sir, take it away, mr all, right um in the initial.

B

Paperwork- and I would like to say that- and I I try not to mean this as a negative, because.

B

We like to get as much information as we can, but from state highway traffic concepts in the.

B

Department of public works, we've gotten nine, eight or nine emails in the past.

B

Week, showing all these different variations of what's what was talked about, what was answered.

B

What was approved what's going to be approved, what could be approved and- and I have to say I am.

B

A little more than confused about about all of that, um it's it's like say. I don't never complain.

B

About receiving information, because I and I try to read everything, but one of the problems is.

B

Our old packet is where I can view it and the other ones on. So I got my computer.

B

Sitting there I'm trying to look at the plan versus the new drawn plans and what could be.

B

Here and they provide us all that information and then there's a couple of things that say.

B

Well, based upon all this, we'll work all this out with mr hunt at the slate plan time so.

B

If we're not supposed to be looking at that and making any any of our decisions based upon that.

B

At the concept, level just seems confusing to me that you know we're it's like sitting candy in.

B

Front of a child, so you can look at that, but don't eat it, we're being given all this information that.

B

I'm I'm not sure what to what to do with this much information and some of the stuff is it's the same.

B

But it seems to be answered in a in a different way, but there again we I appreciate the info.

B

And a couple points that I'll make real quick before I sum up.

B

In the initial paperwork, attachment six, which was from public works, says that the tis.

B

Assumed that the proposed improvements for the oak crest center were in place, so my question is.

B

With that being said, and even though we've received a lot of other information.

B

Where do we still stand with? That? Was this project.

B

Are they doing less because they're, assuming oak crest, is going to do more or what's the.

B

Status of of that I don't know who can answer that on miss chandler, mr mahaffey, mr dietrich.

G

Could you our study did show that additional purple lane that was on and it also included all.

E

Of the trips for the full build out of lexington exchange for oakcrest, so it would be the ultimate.

E

At the end of all of the, we had 18 background developments in there that we have to be built.

E

Includes all of that and the additional lean along for 235 back to four, but with that said, you.

B

Your project shouldn't be doing more, I guess, is what I'm asking and not relying on you're, not.

B

You're not not doing something that you should be doing, because we think they're going to do it.

E

That's correct because we're asking to mitigate so we're not we're not trying to fix everything to an.

E

Acceptable level we're just mitigating the impact of the herpal development. Okay, right, let's see.

B

One other quick question for you, jackie or mr mahathi,.

B

I know this concept: approval is only or concept plan is only for phase. One.

B

Is that no? No, it's for all of them. It's everything. It's a concept plan is being presented for.

D

For the whole project, okay, so the so the tis any mitigation, storm water management.

B

Was for the entire build-out? Yes, sir? Okay, yes, sir, it considered the full build out.

B

Okay, I think that's all I have for now. Thank you guys very much.

A

Okay, let's give up on the traffic import, okay, traffic impact study horse.

A

And jump into the other corral, um mr mahaffey: let's talk about buffers.

A

Along the site, miss chandler take a glass of water; you've, you've earned it.

D

Well, I'm trying I'm going to try to share my screen again because I've got some slides, but.

A

Yeah, I'm gonna get mine up here too.

A

But what I don't know is: oh there it is there. It is oh, but now I've gotta share this screen.

D

Oh, where did that button go.

D

I think that's the screen.

I

um Just just as a word to the planning commissioners, mr newkirk, I I feel your.

D

Pain, this is a, it is a diligent process and it's not easy to follow. It's not easy to understand.

D

I don't care how many times you've been through it. It's just it's not an easy thing. So with that.

D

Being said, I'm going to click on my next slide. um Well, it's really not my next slide, but it's.

D

How about page 3. yeah about 3 of 19? I think it was yes, so we we talked at this.

D

At length about this at our first hearing and and I'm just going to kind of walk through them,.

D

Because buffer yards are complicated in themselves, but where the property fronts on 235 there's a bee.

D

Buffer yard required I'm not worried about the front which is 65 feet with a bunch of plants.

D

That's that's really, no problem, it's fairly easy and we haven't really just talked about that much.

D

um And then, if we can talk about the buffer yard, that's on the easternmost.

D

Or the southernmost portion of the property that lines up with the rears of the lots.

D

That front on by the mill road yeah, I see where you got the trees and such along the front.

A

But you don't have any you're not showing what you're going to do along the backsides of those.

A

Houses and as you can remember, on the last hearing, even on the back, where there's the back right away.

A

There's still neighbors that are living back there. um I was more concerned about that because they're.

A

There well I understand, and I'm going to get to that with my third bullet on this view, you do not.

D

See the trees, but there is a buffer yard planted between the parking lot and the property line.

D

Behind the phase two hotel- okay- and how about it's? 30 feet? Deep, okay, 30 feet with a fence.

D

Okay, okay, okay and and I'm not when I say this, I'm not trying to justify it. I'm just trying.

D

To say what the requirement is in the ordinance, because there is a 30-foot right-of-way adjacent.

D

To our property, there is no buffer yard required, even though there is a residential building back.

D

There, because we front on a road that is not of a higher classification, a buffer yard's not required.

D

And I believe that brandi glenn from land use of growth management testified and agreed with that.

D

However, to to give you some sense of propriety, if you look at the bottom of the sheet.

D

And, and I regret that the car is drawn not very well to scale with the bank.

D

But we have been working on this grading plan and the parking is between four and.

D

Six feet below the existing ground at that right-of-way and it is sloped down toward.

D

That curb line so as cars pull into those parking spaces, their lights will be directed downward and.

D

There will be a four to six foot bank there, so the lights will not spill off the site.

D

um You know, and that will provide some light mitigation. If you will, you know.

D

The lights will not glare from the cars onto the property in the stephen's property. Okay,.

A

I'm good with that one, mr mchale, um and I I'm sorry I didn't hear you. I said I'm.

A

I'm good I'm good with you on that one, and I appreciate the um the um work that y'all.

A

Did to help you know with that, I guess my I'm more worried about the folks that are.

A

Living off of um by the mill road, uh where they have also that um their their backyards, their.

A

Houses are right up to it, whereas you have, as you say, the right right away on the back of the lot.

A

This one you have, you have yards on on on the side of that property, so I'm more worried about.

A

The buffer, um what you're going to do along the backs of those houses because uh well.

A

They've been there a long time, none of those houses are brand new. Those are established homes.

A

um They are, I'm not I'm not disagreeing with that at all, but.

D

But we, what we're putting in here is the required buffer yard, which, which introduces.

D

The fence that'll be right along the curb line and it'll be a 30-foot planted buffer.

D

And and the reason why we've done that, is that that's because what that's? What the.

D

Comprehensive zoning requires us to do you know we can do something else. I guess is what I'm.

D

Saying but that's that's: what's required? Okay, so when you you're doing that buffer yard along.

A

Those people's back yards tell me what you're going to have you're going to have plantings.

A

Are you going to have fence? I just I want. I want to hear exactly what's going in there.

D

Well, it's going to be a fence, it's a 30 foot c buffer yard.

D

I've got a plan that shows that if you'll give me a moment I'll bring that onto the screen.

A

And also on, while you're, while you're looking for that, I just want to make the comment that.

A

You know you say on this on this buffer yards, that the developer will like will likely install.

A

A fence along the rear property line for security and pedestrian control. I would like to say it say.

A

The developer take that likely part out and just say we'll he'll: do that because um you've got a.

A

Two hotels, commercial properties and such and it'd be very easy for somebody to walk off the back of.

A

That property now will a fence stop somebody that doesn't want to be stopped. No, but it'll it'll.

A

Stop people from just taking a walk, some even and going onto somebody's property back in there. So I.

A

Think I think there should be a fence around at least those two sides of that property. Well. Well,.

D

Unfortunately, when I look at the at the detailed site plan, I'm gonna I've got the fence shown.

D

On the outboard side of the buffer yard, the plants are not shown here, which I wish they were.

D

But if you see the plants along the the rears of the lots that are on.

D

The rears of the lots that are on 235 you'll see the planting intensity that that's shown to be.

D

Planted at the intensity that that this buffer yard, that's the established houses along by the.

D

Mill road to the rears of airlocks, um just just to read it to you: they're they're required five.

D

Canopy trees, seven understories 27, shrubs and 14 evergreens for every 100 feet.

D

So if you look at this buffer yard right here, um you'll see that it's planted fairly heavily.

D

And that would be the same planting standard that would be used along this sea buffer yard.

J

Does that help it does it does help it? It would have been better if the neighbors were watching.

A

Tonight you know if they saw that along their back. You know right now they could say well, it doesn't.

A

Really show it, but I mean I'm taking you at your word and and your word is good, mr mahaffey, I don't.

A

Have any problem with that, but I'd like to see that fence along there too. Just just so somebody.

A

Can't walk into those neighbor's yards that are there well, the the fence along the eastern.

D

Southern side is certainly required. That's not a debate it it. If you would. Rather the developers.

D

Say he's going to put the fence in I'm sure he would agree to that. But all you really need to.

D

Do is make that a condition of your approval plan on it. I would hope that the board members- yes, sir.

D

You can make it a requirement and then it's not really up to the developer to say he will.

D

Because there's some things we can provide with conditions for safety and then again, when you talk.

A

About traffic there's things that we can't so the board will probably do everything that they can.

A

Mr evans yeah, I asked this question last time: miss mahathir. I don't recall what you what the.

H

Answer was with regard to uh the placement of the fence within that buffer yard, as does the fence.

H

uh Run along the the property line and the planting's inside that or is it run down.

H

In the center of plantings on both sides, I don't recall what you told me when I asked that question.

D

um If, if you give me a moment, mr evans, I will show you I'll show you the guidance.

D

But the fence goes along the more intense right property yeah I mean I've got the page in front.

D

Of me, but I got to put it on the screen, which is not as easy, but I think I can get there in a.

D

D

D

Anyway, I'm envisioning that the more intense side is the hotel style.

D

So the so the uh the fences along that property line and if you look carefully.

D

If you look on the site, plane you'll see the fence drawn. Yes right, there yeah, I guess.

H

You know I, I understand the function out, the the function of it.

H

um And then and then I look at at.

H

You know just my comments, I look at the the aesthetics of it uh and I refer to.

H

Dick's uh that um development there and I'm not suggesting that that's the kind of fence, but a.

H

Fence where it's it's really uh buffered on both sides, it's a very it's a it's a buffer, but it's.

H

Very soft aesthetically pleasing um and I, and so I just bring that up, just as as as a comment.

H

Mr mahaffey, um I I appreciate it. I have tried I've tried on site plans to get neighbors to.

D

Agree to put the fence in the middle right where we don't really change the standard, but we place.

D

It with everybody's agreement, but because a stark fitness needs to be buffered with some planting.

H

Well, that's and that's what I was getting to and and historically buffers when buffers are required.

H

um Adjacent property owners are always big on the whole notion of of uh who provides the buffer and.

H

The and the answer is the applicant- does all of it, um and sometimes especially not in this case.

H

But when land is where it doesn't have an easement, you know bumps up against.

H

It sometimes you know creating a buffer uh on on either side by both property owners.

H

uh Works out really well now, not necessarily you can't do it here, but but um but I would say that.

H

Aesthetically doing something to buffer that defense, you know that it's there as opposed.

H

To having a start fence, as you mentioned, uh is a uh is a more pleasing way to do it.

H

Just my opinion, mr happy, thank you. I I think you and I are in agreement.

D

I you know, all I'm trying to say is we're complying with the ordinance.

D

And- and that hurts sometimes mr mahappy- I I know about that ordinance I get I mean I got that.

H

I guess what I'm trying to do is mitigate with your money. I'm trying to mitigate.

H

A situation where you have you, you have pushback by you, know from neighbors for.

H

Any number of reasons you know you have it from traffic, you have it from noise.

H

You have it the building's too tall, the light's going to shine in their windows.

H

The people up there are going to look down in their yards, you know so there's any number of.

H

Things that that are in play- and so again I I know I mean I'd- not have memorized the.

H

You know that document, but I know basically what that says and, and I again they were just.

H

They were meant to be helpful comments. That's all I I appreciate it sure. Thank you.

K

Mr mahaffey, this is this: is joe physiqueus he's going to put him. I apologize if I missed it, but.

K

Did you state what the height of that fence would be? The the height is six feet. Okay, thank you.

H

Was there a type, mr mahappy, do you have in mind it's an opaque fence? Okay,.

H

Describe opaque, mr math, thank you. No light penetrates it no light penetrates it.

D

Okay, not translucent; okay, not transparent, opaque.

H

It's the far end of the transparent scale, transparent scale, so it has no code. If you.

H

Want to see there's a degree of transparency, so it has no color missed in my head. No, it's not.

D

Think of glass, think of glass, that's clear, and it goes to completely block okay.

D

The block you know some real dark sunglasses: real, real, dark, okay,.

D

H

I'm just trying to get away from stark white foxes on the back side. I agree with you.

J

Completely I like hungry 235, I like to think it looks terrible. I like the the idea of like.

A

You say what they did at dicks, where they had the fence in the middle. You know, and the plantings on.

A

Both sides, but that's a yeah, that's a different animal. Those are you know, that's that's an.

H

Aluminum dark, you know black fence, but that wasn't always that way. Originally when it came before.

H

Us yeah that was a solid board fence. Yes and then it started to go up and land using growth.

H

Management reached out after someone called and said it looked terrible and it the only start.

H

The only that only offense that remains is around the storm water management pond, the rest of it's.

H

Gone and it looks very nice- you know even the buildings the way they they did. That plus you know.

H

The uh the way the the uh with the plantings were done, it's very aesthetically pleasing, maybe the.

A

Owners are listening tonight and will uh consider that when they go to do that fence I mean you're.

A

Going to have to do the buffer anyway, mr mahaffey, if it's approved we've got to do the buffer anyway,.

D

And we're really bound by the requirement of the opaque fence: six foot, opaque fence, okay,.

D

I mean if you want to say what exactly you want. I'm sure the owner would need.

A

Now we we just, we want the owner to to give full consideration.

A

As to if they, you were to switch places, if the, if the people that lived in the houses behind.

A

Were building a hotel and you were living in the houses? What would you want to look at.

A

That's what I want the owners to do the rest of it's up to them. I mean you, we've got the you've.

A

Got the rules you have to follow, but they've got the conscience they got to live with. So that's.

J

A

Does anybody else have any questions.

A

A

A

Anybody have anything anybody in webex land have any questions any of the board members.

L

um Real quick, you mentioned that that all of the phases.

L

Are included in this and you mentioned a five-year build-out and you talk out um well, can you can you.

L

Can you discuss the the faces of the timeline and I could have missed it um during your.

L

Conversation, but I just want to make sure that I understand how that's going to be built up.

A

I believe, if I'm hearing you right, it was a five-year. If the question was the build-out time.

A

It was five years that, and that's I mean I mean I'm I'm wondering how that how that would.

L

Be phased out like so we expect to be done with phase phase one and in the first couple years and.

L

I'm just I know we're saying all three: it's gonna take five years correct. Do you have a timeline.

D

Well, what we do is as much as a sec schedule, 70 dot, whatever, whatever five talks about.

M

Yeah this is, uh this is honor. I think the phase 1 hotel would complete would start uh first and.

M

Then, whatever it takes time for the completion uh uh the time period, I think the time period that we.

M

Got approximately from gc for the hotel one it's one year, solution time from the starting point.

M

And they start foundation to completions one year from from their timeline for the for the hotel. One.

L

So is: are there conditions on on going to the.

L

To the phases, or are we guaranteed to get all three phases being that is uh going through our.

L

Disapproval process I mean as long as we get the uh the concept approved as.

M

It is, then, then we will build out uh in five years. The whole uh concept right now, as reports.

J

A

Mr ernick, I need to ask you: did, did you uh were you sworn in when.

A

We did everybody at the beginning. Yes, yes, sir okay. Thank you, mr truman. I have a question.

H

Good good good, good, okay, um just quick question uh with regard to you know the uh uh the high.

H

Intensity, the uh the mxh requirements um it there's another part of that.

H

That that mentions the uh the residential component that goes along with this, which, which.

H

Has to be at least 20 percent, and I don't have it in front of me.

H

I got everything else in the world with regard to the phasing um is that 20 in the first phase.

H

The residential component part.

M

No, no, the hotel one is uh phase one.

H

So, where, where along is the 20 of the um of the residential component.

M

There is phase two which uh it's it's, along with the uh mix, use, retail and residential components.

H

You you see where I'm headed here, if it's, if it's a requirement, if it's a, if it's a requirement to.

H

Do this um I, I would want to figure out a way. I'm not aware that, isn't a court requirement.

D

Well, I'm looking at okay, so maybe not I'm looking at uh 2.6.3 b, medium intensity.

H

Mixed use, development in this designation should consist of a large scale and clustered commercial.

H

And residential uses adjacent to existing or planned principal transportation corridors.

H

Reasonable preservation of open space for forest retention, any development within.

H

An envelopes exceeding five acres would incorporate a mixture of uses multifamily.

H

Residents to uh occupy at least 20 percent of the resulting floor area.

D

Are are you reading out of the comprehensive plan? No, no! Well.

H

Actually, what I'm reading off is this approved election park development district master plan.

H

2-2-1, well, you know in all honesty, in all honesty,.

D

I have read a lot of things about the lexington park: development district.

D

And and- and I really am not remembering that that 20 got worked into the zoning ordinance.

D

I had suggested to mr sony that he doing a residential component, because I just know that.

D

There's a need, and, and it and it is, is the desire of the district to truly have a mixed use zone.

D

um And that's why we did it. We did it because I know it is a it's it's out there in the vapor.

D

Somewhere but I don't think it was ever codified in the ordinance. This is bill. Hunt director, lannis.

F

I think the percentages weren't an earlier draft, but the zoning ordinance amendment that.

F

Was approved for the lexington park, development district does allow and encourages, even if you.

F

Can do that with an ordinance mixed use, including residential, but it dropped the percentages because.

F

Of the difficulty in trying to interpret or enforce- and that's perfectly fine with me because.

H

Having a residential component makes perfect sense if you're going to do this sort of thing.

H

This is provided to me land using growth management. Recently, my mic suggests that.

H

On uh 2-22 that uh that part be struck, if it's not supposed to get out of the adopted order,.

F

I'm just reading it out of what I just copied out of my book today. I don't know.

H

I was just looking it up to see what the requirements were, and I mean I looked at.

H

This and I thought I don't remember it so I so I made a copy of it. So can I get another book.

C

I don't know that. That's I'll look at it here, you have it! No I'll! Look I'll! Look it up.

H

Yeah, I'm not I'm not trying to be, you know, be hard to get along with I'm just.

H

I'm just trying to figure out if it's phased and it's re and you have requirements for phasing.

H

And it's over three phases at what at what point at what at what point do you have to be.

H

Completed with regard to your requirements- and there are no phasing requirements for the for a.

F

Residential component in mxh- well, I guess what I'm getting to. If I went by this, the requirement of 20.

H

It would, but if it's not a requirement, then it's not it's, not okay. So if somebody could give me.

H

Some better information that would be helpful. Thank you uh just a quick question. I know this is.

L

What uh do we plan on having uh affordable housing here and in the residential.

A

He wanted to know, um mr mahappy, if you were going to have affordable housing.

A

Within this uh 10 units that you were he you know, we'd have to ask mr mr sony.

D

If he would be open to that, I suspect that these units would be affordable or or workforce housing.

D

With one or the other, we're not asking for any density bonuses to require it, but.

D

But you can ask him how we would like to market this.

L

Because you you, you discuss the need, and so I understand that uh one of the biggest.

L

Needs in the housing arena in the area would be in the affordable housing area.

L

So this would be definitely go a long way if you, uh if these units were fell into that cap.

M

As to consider this to make it affordable, because it's going to be, I mean a studio or one bedroom.

M

Type of apartment, so it would be affordable. So I mean and and then uh to add on this.

M

We can also make sure we will uh market this as affordable to to serve a country.

M

And go countless goals as a to provide variable housing to those in the country.

L

Elijah thanks. Thank you, mr hall.

A

There any other questions.

A

Okay, well, if there's no more questions, then I'm going to go ahead and.

A

Open it up to public testimony, mr mahaffey.

A

If there's anybody, of course, there's no one here tonight, so I'll get branded to check.

A

And see if there's anybody calling in and since it's taken so long to get to public testimony.

A

um I'm going to suggest a five-minute break. Let people know that we're going to open it back up.

A

To public testimony, five minutes, that'll give them a chance, because I know if I was out there.

A

And I wasn't ready to make that call, and uh somebody up here said.

A

You got a call right now, I'd be worried, so we're gonna have a five-minute break.

A

Let's let folks know that when we come back, it'll be public. Testimony time you certainly have no.

D

Objection from from me, mr chairman, okay, go get yourself, coke call them. Thank you we'll be back.

A

You it's mr dietrich sperm, mr chairman. This is billy mahaffey. Yes, sir. It just dawned on.

D

Me that I didn't advance my clock forward here in my office, so I'm still thinking.

D

I'm on daylight savings time, yeah! Well, no standard time! Excuse me well sorry, for your luck.

J

You just lost an hour.

J

Okay, everybody ready.

J

Where'd bill go.

J

Let's roll you're here you got this okay, okay, we'll bring it back in to session.

A

um When we left, we were um waiting to see if we were going to get any comments for public.

A

Testimony um brandon, you want to check, see oh yeah, it looks like we have something and while you're.

A

Checking that like to wish mr dietrich a happy birthday. Thank you, sir. Isn't it your birthday.

J

Is it your birthday, happy birthday, happy birthday, sir? No, this is just what you wanted to do.

C

You tonight reached the st mary's county planning, commission public hearing for.

C

20-132-010 avid hotel requests for concept site plan approved.

C

Please state your name and address and chairman thompson will ask you to take.

C

An oath before you make your comments or ask your questions.

C

If you could turn your tv down, that would be great.

N

C

Did you hear what I said? Yes, I turned it down. Okay, can you state your name and address.

C

Well, I turned it down on my computer: do you want it down on my phone as well.

C

I just don't want to be able to hear it, because it gives a feedback.

N

Is it coming in good? Now? Yes, yes, yes, but can you can you state your name and address.

C

Yes, marisa davis, I must be I'm. My maiden name is stevens, I'm part of the property that would.

N

Be on the rear of this development, um that's my home place and I I am on the west coast living.

N

Right now, so it's a lot earlier for me. I won't keep you, but I would like to thank.

N

The planning commissioners, commissioners, it appears that they've been very diligent.

C

Ms stevens, before you then we'll um give you the oath, real quick. Let me.

A

Let me swear you in all right. Let me swear you in. If I can uh do you do you.

A

Raise your right hand, do you declare an affirm under the penalty of perjury, that the testimony.

A

Responses and statements you may give will be the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

N

Turn my sound down: uh yeah, okay,.

A

Go ahead. Go ahead! Ma'am! You can continue.

N

Okay, because I'm on the computer and the phone at the same time, I've got a little delay in time.

C

You can continue now: okay, yeah. I have a delay between my computer. What I'm hearing and what.

N

I'm talking anyway, uh as I was saying, I'm one of the stevens family uh that.

N

Would be on the rear side of the development, and I appreciate the planning commission.

N

It sounds like they've been very diligent about um looking into this.

I

Looking into this uh project, and I'm not going to keep you because I have like.

N

About my computer, what I'm hearing and what I'm talking about.

N

As I would say,.

N

I'm catching up on what I'm saying. I'm sorry.

N

It's too bad. I appreciate the things listen. It sounds like.

C

You can continue. Okay, they've heard what I've already done. They're here we can hear you can hear.

J

You perfectly about the technical difficulty here, but I have about 18 pages here of commons and I.

N

My only request now would be for the planning commission.

N

To put this on the table for another meeting, because I'm sure that you'll get.

N

Five more comments from my siblings and we there's a lot of issues here, especially the.

N

Traffic, I mean it's amazing that we haven't had more depth there along that part of the road, so.

N

I would I'm going to end this because my connection is very odd and I'm fearing myself.

N

A

They might have some questions before you leave it. Are there.

A

Are there any board members that have any questions of miss davis.

N

Because is she aware that we have.

H

Responses from some of her family.

C

Is that a petition? Is that you're talking it's just it's from.

H

Stevens, mostly the stevens, are you aware that there's a petition.

C

From um I guess, some of your family members yeah their comments, not necessarily a petition.

A

From gail and gregory stevens, yes from stephanie stevens and claude martin, put me on that list. Yes,.

H

Okay well you're on it you're you're on it there I'm sorry! uh Yes, uh I'm aware of the letter and.

N

I think there's after listening to the meeting tonight, there's a lot more issues to express.

N

You know about the impossibility of the traffic situation and uh defense sensing.

N

Should be higher than succeed, you know, I have several comments and I would put them in writing.

N

And I'm sure that the family will get together and we'll put one letter together. Thank you so much.

A

Okay, there any questions, ms davis, one second.

A

Okay, thank you, miss davis. Thank you have a good evening. Thank you. Bye-Bye.

C

All right, let me call kathy we had we by mentioning that we had.

A

Comments from uh let's see the stephens family.

A

We had uh comments um that were read from uh rita weaver. I believe yes and we had comments from.

A

Just want to see the last name from john and susan bennett.

A

Okay, um brandy is there any others.

A

C

Thank you for calling your planning commission. This is kathy garcia,.

C

Hi kathy, do we have anybody else? There is no other public comment. Thank you. Thank you.

A

A

I know ms davis had said she'd like to hold up on a meeting, but her whole family was on.

A

That letter that was sent- uh I would hope, you know, and and in reading that and the.

A

um The applicant got that letter, so um it's been seen by um I'll, say both sides of the aisle here.

A

um Unfortunately, growth is going all around their property. It's going to continue to do.

A

So at one time or another, be it tonight or some other nights, it's it's working.

A

I'm gonna go ahead and close public testimony, since there was no other calls.

A

And um moving back into is there anything else you want to rebuttal.

A

Forward um anything I'll say that mrs stephen said now: remember: I'm not opening.

A

Up any more testimony, mr mahaffi, just do you have any comments on on anything that.

A

Miss davis had said, or the letters that we received I'll, say public comments.

A

You're you're muted, mr mahaffy turn your mic back on.

D

Thank you very. Thank you very much is that is that good? Yes, sir perfect, so I don't have any specific.

D

Rebuttals to what what what any of the letters said, but I would like to make a closing statement.

J

Okay, would you like to give me to go ahead with that? Yes, sir, if you're ready, I'm ready.

D

So I just I just want to reiterate again that I appreciate the planning commission of the.

D

Job you're trying to do um obviously I'm here representing a landowner, the developer and and.

D

He has the the difficult task of complying with the comprehensive zoning ordinance.

D

And sometimes that's a conflict with what other people think that might the standards might be.

D

So so I want to say that this particular project.

D

With with respect to the the concept site, plan has submitted the stormwater.

D

Management as it was designed in concept, the density and intensity of the development.

D

And the buffer yards that we have provided, and I will augment that with saying that.

D

While we're on break the owner said that he would put up a fence along the stephen's property.

D

So with that being said, we we feel like the site plan.

D

The concept cycling should be approved as presented.

D

However, we know that as you're considering the eight adequate public facilities in its present.

D

Status, I think that mr dietrich's memo went goes a long way in stating the process very well.

D

And if I can just paraphrase to assure you that before the major state plan reaches the approval.

D

By the director of land use and growth management.

D

That the off-site mitigation will face many many iterations of design and analysis and all three.

D

Agencies, state highway administration, department of public works and land use and growth management.

D

Will consider the option that we have been that we've placed on the table for consideration.

D

And I expect others, the the selected options will be selected designed and approved by the technical.

D

Agencies before the property, the project can gain site plan approval from the county.

D

As well as get an access obtain, an access permit from the state highway administration.

D

And- and we know that the condition is because.

D

It's been stated many times that before occupancy will be granted.

D

The off-site improvements will need to be completed.

D

The developers heard and and is, has considerable concern that the planning commission has.

D

Been dealing with the intensity and size of the development, and mr sony has asked.

D

Me to present some conditions for you to consider when you frame your resolution.

D

As stated several times phase one hotel one is the driving force of this project.

D

It inc and it includes a four-story 90 room building with associated 105 parking spaces. If.

D

If the planning commission finds that the proposal is more than they think that they should consider.

D

The developer would like you to consider making it a condition.

D

To exclude hotel number two, which represents 70 rooms,.

D

If that makes the project acceptable, then we could stop there, but he would.

D

Go on to say that he would like to see the residential component of the 10 units.

D

Be taken out of the proposal or excluded from the approval.

D

And conditions of approval would exclude the retail center 11 200 square feet.

D

And with that I would like to again say you. Thank you very much for your.

D

Your your questioning, your your insight and your consideration.

D

So if you have any well, I guess if you have any questions, I'm here, you know.

A

Mr mahaffey go over again what you're what you said that your applicant was willing to to do.

A

As far as um the other hotel and and and the um housing.

D

He, mr sony, was concerned that you thought the development was too big.

D

It's just too intense, too much too much development, and so what he is asked is to.

D

If you, if you can frame your resolution to approve phase one only which, which is the four-story hotel.

D

Which is comprised of 95 rooms and 105 parking spaces? That is his main goal.

D

And then you could condition the approval to not include the second hotel.

D

The residential component and the retail center.

D

Those are not immediate they're, not a great as great of concern. However, if you think.

F

That that should be arranged in a different manner. I am sure that he would consider that.

I

Mr chairman, does that did that help yeah, but I.

A

Guess if we were to leave those out, he would have to come back before.

A

The board again and you're talking reconfigure or anything like that that would he'd have.

A

To come before the board again, I just want to let you know that if we make that a condition.

D

Could you say that to me again, you just suggested that we could make a condition.

A

That um well two things. You said we could just um approve the phase one this evening.

A

And then, as a condition for this application, we could say that the phase two part, the other hotel.

A

And the retail and affordable housing be not included in this phase. One approval for tonight.

A

If it were to be approved, understanding that if and when he would want to do that.

A

You know he might decide one hotel's enough. This is good, thank you and be done with it, but if he.

A

Wanted to so at the end of the say, whenever year, two three, four whatever he would want.

A

To build this other hotel again and and retail, you would have to come back before the board.

A

um Otherwise, we're not gonna we're, not gonna just put a condition and say, and if he changes his mind.

A

He can just go ahead and build it. It's gonna have to come back because things change in in years.

A

So well: well, a concept plan is good for two years I mean we're we're aware of that and.

A

But see you you're getting yourself, I think the concept plan would.

A

Only if we do that the concept plan would only be for phase one well, if you say it's.

D

For only phase one, that's, that is all that the approval would be granted for and yes.

D

Of course, we would have to come back for any subsequent development. Okay, that's all! I need to.

M

I hear want to add this is an option that uh I I requested mr mahaffey to post. If you think that.

M

The intensity and and uh the density of the overall project is too much. That is why I.

M

Propose an option: otherwise we are willing to uh develop the whole concept and, as we propose.

A

Well, if I'm here right, I think it's a good start.

H

Thank you. Thank you. Just a question with regard to you know. We talked a lot tonight about.

H

um Traffic issues, that sort of thing would we we moved forward with this.

H

Proposal, you know with just the first phase. um This would be for john david. I get dieter. We.

H

With regard to the signalization that we talked about, would that be something that we would.

H

Look at possibly with could we do that with? If we do just one phase of this.

A

I think that's going to be a combination, mr dietrich and and mr weiskopf question. I don't.

A

Know that we can put a condition on no, we can't, but what I was I was my suggestion was. uh It was.

H

Thus we we talked about a lot of this tonight and this is going to move forward and be on.

H

Your table, as well as others and you're going to be with dpw. You know maryland highway tomorrow,.

H

Is that something that you think that that.

H

Dpw would would broach with them again, given the information that we've shared.

H

Tonight, not that they'll do it, but I mean it.

H

It's I think it should be, you know, hopefully they would consider it.

G

So uh the item for tomorrow for the commissioners is simply the priority letter.

G

I correspond with the district engineer a couple times a week, sometimes once a day.

G

I think it's been more like once a day.

G

And I want to do it, though, in an appropriate way. That's coordinated with sure. Wherever this ends up.

G

And I don't want to just sprout, you know something out. Let me let me ask a question because I had.

B

That written down for our discussion, but since mr evans brought it up, why couldn't that be a.

B

Condition, I think miss chandler or mr mahaffey had said of the improvements that the developer was.

B

Willing to install signalization at by the mill, fdr and 235, but the state highway didn't want it.

B

But they were never really asked officially, someone said it just was kind of in passing.

B

So I guess um I don't. I don't know who can answer that, but we've placed many conditions on many.

B

Projects, why couldn't that be a condition? I mean if the board, I'm not speaking for the.

B

Rest of the board, if the board chose to want to try to to get that, then you've got some teeth.

B

In the game to say, hey, you know, they've made this a condition.

B

The developer's paying for it it could be signalized to work with wildwood and route 4.

B

So all them lights kind of stay, green or you know, however, they time them. um I don't know if.

B

You can answer that or mr weiskopf would have to answer that or mr hunt. um Why couldn't yeah.

B

That be, I mean we place conditions all the time that I mean, there's no fence required.

B

On the back of the property and we've we've, even though they just said they'd put that in I had it.

B

Written down to make it a condition anyway, so right, probably the difference between the two.

O

Though is the fence is something that they can do um I mean what I've heard all night is that.

O

State highway doesn't want it there, so if we make that a condition, we're just setting them up to.

O

Fail it sounds like um because I don't you know it look what it took to get that light at um you know.

O

Wildwood and route four, I mean that took years and it took you know, high level people to get that.

O

But based on what I've heard from land use and growth management and dpw and t.

O

The state's not interested in having a.

O

Light there is that correct, mr dietrich, that's what they told us verbally. I have never received.

G

A written response uh one way or the other, but it's what they told me vertically and verbally.

G

I'm not sure what they told mr mahaffey. Well, they told us or j or miss chandler.

A

It took a tragedy. I didn't want to say that, but it did it took a tragedy. Then the light.

A

Appeared but it was an issue long before the tragedy, yeah.

E

And we did offer an option: okay, yeah state highway. The only thing we can do is have. Mr, in my opinion,.

A

Have mr dietrich just reiterate that.

A

This applicant would like to see a light, would would work to get that light. There.

A

But it's it's up to them. I mean it's their highway and they're going to make the final decision.

A

No matter what we could put any condition we want state highway is going to do what they want to do.

A

Yeah, I'm not trying to set the applicant up to to fail, yeah, um which I understand what mr weisskopf.

B

Saying it surely could do that, but it looks to me there could be a letter drafted from the board.

B

The applicant and mr dietrich said they prefer to like there. You know our local department.

B

Of public works, who sees that and drives that every day thinks the light would be warranted.

B

And someone sitting in annapolis that says it's not so it looks like the only opposition.

H

Is the state well it's their intersection? I understand that, but I understand that, but right.

A

I think what we'd probably have to do. I don't want to go over yeah I'd love planning. Commission has.

A

uh Certain powers- and she always say, but I think it would be a lot more. I don't know how the county.

A

Commissioners feel about that like there and I think they're the ones that are going to have to.

A

Lean lean on the state with, however, you want to put it. You know.

A

Give them strong suggestion that we want, but I think it would have to come from that level.

A

Before it, um that's part of what this we our charge is, is to make those recommendations to them.

A

Well, I mean we can recommend it, but I think the commissioners I have no problem signing a letter.

A

That you know, and I'd be more than willing to work with mr dietrich on signing a letter.

A

Getting a letter drafted up that says, you know it's the planning commission's uh opinion and.

A

I'm gonna before we do any of that. I want to hear everybody that everybody on the planet, commission.

A

Would like that, including the people on webex, but I know mr duchy would like to do it not of.

A

Course the applicant wants to do it because it's going to do nothing but help his site.

A

And not just his site, it would help the vfw. It would help the businesses on by the mill road.

A

Would help baldwin design, which is right up the street before st john? It would help everything.

A

Because it would give a I'll say just a brief stop so that somebody can pull out. It would help.

A

Mr clements get out of his driveway. It would help the entire north side of 235 yeah and by putting.

B

That channelization stuff in with no u-turn and no left turn for fdr, which it has that now it forces.

B

Any car that wants to go there down to route four, which is a known failure to worse intersection. So.

B

It's even worse looks like to me if state highway thought about that, what it's going to do to.

B

You know the other intersection which is really dangerous, making the u-turn, because I mean I hate.

B

To say I mean I think it's legal and I did it the other day made it. You came out of harris teeter.

B

And, instead of going on route four that you can't get out that way anyway, you have to go through.

B

Wildwood, so you just kind of come: take your life in your hands merging over to try to get into turn.

B

Lane at route 4 to do a u-turn and all them cars coming off around four man. I had the hardest time.

B

Making that, because you know it takes a bit of a swing with an suv to make that turn and all.

B

Them cars that were coming off route 4 made it difficult and it really wasn't even rush hour.

B

It wasn't even in any other peak morning or evening. So let's see at two o'clock, it wasn't.

B

Rush hour either yeah, it looks to me like they would open their arms to that. If, because there's.

B

Gonna be a lot there's a lot of traffic now that, instead of when they come out of harris teeter.

B

That's their only option to go north well, is to cross over 235 get in the.

B

Turn lane of route 4 and do a turn do a u-turn so looks like this would certainly.

B

The full service would allow all them vehicles to come back around fdr. You know it would seem to be.

B

A common sense whether we approve this or not, still be a good idea to send that letter. Yeah.

A

Yeah so mr dietrich, you can get in touch with me or I'll, get in touch with you. um We can work on.

A

Ideas uh get what get with donnie mills and and draft a letter up, and uh we can make sure.

A

We ask mr weiskopf to look at such letter to make sure that it's um proper.

A

And you know, because we want to want to make a statement, you know and want to go the right way.

A

That's okay with everybody! Does that anybody, um mr fazekas, mr hall? Miss summers. Do you all have.

A

Any um problem with that or is there anything you'd like to add to that part of the statement.

K

I I would this is joe fazikis. um I would just say that removed from this project. I would like to see.

K

That intersections symbolized um for many safety and convenience reasons.

K

So I'd see no problem supporting that letter. I think it's a good idea. Okay,.

A

N

I don't have anything to add. Okay, mr hall,.

L

uh Yeah I like to uh to agree, but just just make sure that um we uh allow allow for exit off of.

L

Fdr to come through there as well yeah, okay, okay! Well, we got that part down, so we've gone over.

A

Everything pretty well, we've heard that the applicant is willing to move forward with a.

A

Phase one of this concept plan, which I think is a a good idea and and good um good, will, on his part.

A

I think it'll help him and it will help. Certainly the folks that live on by the mill road.

A

And by doing the fence, which we can have as a condition um also along the back, even though.

A

They've already um said that they would do that, but with that condition being on there, the the.

A

Defense along those those two lines of property um would help, but we actually won't need the.

A

Other one, because they're not going to put that when they come in for the second phase of that.

A

When they build the other hotel, they would have to build that fence. So it would just be the back.

A

Fence that they'd have to put in but for security reasons, shouldn't it be a fence all the way they.

C

Need both, but they still need to put that buffer yard in, but the whole plane was okay. Well, that's.

A

Because they're still developing that's right, I'm for that I mean not. It's still still the.

H

Neighborhood, except that just would you only do the first phase yeah first bags of building yeah.

A

Okay is: is that the way the board thinks would be would be best since they've done everything yeah.

A

I mean, in my opinion, I think that that's that's good and we're.

A

We're doing the best that we can with what what we have to work with.

H

I'm certainly appreciative of the applicant willing to yes, we are.

A

And I think it actually helps him too, because I think so too. He can find out what he's got when.

A

He when he gets to that first phase, you know he might switch up so okay. So if I remember.

K

Correctly, one of the conditions will be the same um density of plantings on the buffer yard on the.

K

South side of the project is that correct: yes, the buffer yard will remain the same.

K

Okay, thank you. That's not showing the plan. So that's what I'm asking if you need a condition.

K

Okay, all right, if there's no other discussion, would anybody like to.

A

Entertain a motion get us started, mr van kirk, I'll give it a shot there. You go.

B

In the matter of concepts like plan, two zero dash one three: two: zero: zero, zero one, zero.

B

Phase one avid hotel, having accepted the staff report and having made finding that the objectives.

B

Of section 60.6 of the comprehensive zoning ordinance have been met and noting that the.

B

Reference project has met all requirements for concept approval. I move that the comp.

B

Subsite plan be approved with the following conditions: the approval is for phase one only.

B

The approval is contingent upon all road improvements required by the state and the county.

B

Must be concurrent with the issuance of the using oxy occupancy permit and the applicant shall.

B

Install a fence on the rear property line to act as an additional buffer for safety and security.

A

uh One one question on that: we're going to put the fence is going to be on to the two.

A

Sides of the I think it's already shown on one side of the plan, but it's not shown on the back.

B

All right, I'm just but I can we can amend that I can do a friendly amendment if there's just.

A

It's all in there I I feel more comfortable with okay. If you wouldn't mind, I would.

B

Do a friendly amendment to have a fence installed on the rear and south side.

B

Of the property, along with the other conditions that I included.

A

Thank you, mr van kirk. I have a motion. Do I have a second second? Okay.

A

Okay, any discussion on the motion.

A

Okay, roll call uh mr van kirk aye, mr evans aye ms robert aye, mr fizekas aye, ms summers, hi mr hall.

J

Hi and I vote I well mr mahaffey, you didn't think about this back.

A

In december, but it went very well tonight, your applicant showed goodwill um got some.

A

Things straightened out: we're gonna try to get some traffic woes straightened out and.

A

Good luck, remember your neighbors and uh we appreciate mr ronick and everybody on your team.

D

Well, thank you very much. Miss mister ronick I mean ronic has been a delight to work with.

D

And well, you see what he offered so, okay, I don't need to say anything else.

A

And mr bolton, it was good talking with you tonight.

M

Sure, sir, I want to thank all the board members and the neighbors and uh will.

M

Be promised to uh develop a proper development in the in the county. uh I just want to make sure.

M

You're you're giving approval for the hotel one, not the retail and the apartment right as of now.

M

Yes, sir okay, thank you, okay. Thank you all very much. I'd also like to include chairman that.

B

I think it was really beneficial to have the owner developer, who can make these decisions versus.

B

This may have been a project that we continued, because we would have had some questions and.

B

Mr mahaffey or miss chandler may not have been able to answer.

B

Them some of that direct question, so I think it's maybe something that we've learned that hey it.

B

May help to try to have an owner or developer, who has that decision making power at all the meetings.

B

Whether they be webex or in person just did work well, and we know mr veronica is not not nearby.

A

No, he wasn't at the last meeting. I don't know where he's at tonight, but it's just a common.

H

Sense approach for something to be as difficult as it looked like at the beginning for it to come.

H

Out the way it did uh is, I again appreciate it of the applicant, mr behalf of you, as well.

H

Okay, all right! Well then, we thank y'all. Good luck, as I would say always say, remember your neighbors.

A

Okay, thank you good night. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Is there any other business with the board.

A

I'll accept a motion to adjourn so moved. I have a second. I have a second all in favor, say: aye aye,.

A

Okay, thank y'all, we're adjourned for the evening. Thank you.