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From YouTube: Ad-hoc Scrutiny Panel - 10-12-2021
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A meeting of the Ad-hoc Scrutiny Panel broadcast live on Microsoft Teams.
A
I
would
hope
that
we're
following
on
that,
it
really
addresses
the
problems
and
that
we
can
start
to
deliver
against
an
action
plan
there.
So
for
me,
getting
these
out
comes
the
vision.
What
what
kinds
expect
sorted
out
now
through
this
forums,
a
really
great
opportunity,
so
that
that's
kind
of
my
initial
comments
from
on
the
in
response
to
yourselves.
A
B
B
B
B
With
and
so
and
we're
going
to
ask
I'm
I'm
gonna
ask
some
questions
first
and
the
other
members.
I
want
to
ask
some
questions
too,
and
then
we
can
decide
if
we
need
to
go
further
into
that.
I
want
to
go
through
the
paper
that
that's
been
sent
to
us
and
then
we'll
decide
what
parts
of
the
paper
we
want
to
pick
out
then
to
expand
on
okay.
So
that's
that's
where
I'm
going,
I'm
not
I'm
not
getting
into
anything
that
we're
going
to
make
a
decision
on
it
just
now.
B
I
just
want
to
get
stephen's
and
I
show
thoughts
on
on
how
he
finds
the
tenancy
agreement,
because
I
noticed
that
it's
not
included
in
the
papers,
and
I
did
think
that
that
was
quite
significant,
because
that's
that's
what
the
tenant
has
to
sign
to
agree
to
and
because
you
didn't
include
it,
I
I
thought
that
you
didn't.
You
saw
that
has
not
been
a
significant
enough
paper
for
us
to
to
assess.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
Yeah
I
mean
in
terms
of
the
tenancy
agreement.
We
can,
of
course
provide
the
tenancy
agreement
and
discuss
it,
although
I
suppose
one
thing
to
note
is
that,
in
terms
of
what
we
could
actually
do
in
relation
to
amending
tenancy
agreements,
that
would
be
you
know,
is
that
in
the
remit
of
the
group
to
to
change
a
piece
of
you
know
scottish
government
legislation
in
relation
to
tenancy
agreements.
F
But
I
suppose
my
the
main
thing
I
would
say
is
that
you
know
the
the
ssts
were
brought
in
in
2001
and
were
there
to
provide
a
great
deal
of
rights
to
tenants
in
terms
of
you
know,
but
I
suppose
potentially
that
means
that
it's
difficult
it
is
difficult
to.
You
know
I
can't
just
decide
to
evict
someone
for
antisocial
behavior.
It
gives
tenants
significant
amount
of
security
in
the
tenure
which
you
know.
F
I
think
some
elected
members
can
have
concerns
about
because
it
feels
like
you
know,
you're
requiring
a
share
of
court
to
make
a
decision
as
opposed
to
the
housing
service,
to
make
a
decision.
But
we
I'm
happy
to
bring
the
sst
tennessee
agreement
with
us,
but
in
terms
of
what
we
could
change
in
relation
to
ssd
tenancy.
I
think
that
might
be
a
bit
limited,
but
we
can
certainly
discuss
that
issue.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
what
one
thing
that
I
I
that
I
need
to
make
clear
is
this:
isn't
about
evicting
people
but
for
anti-social,
behavior
and
that
it's
about
and
given
you've
mentioned
and
hear
about
supported
tendencies,
and
things
like
that
and
I
wanted
to
ensure
that
they
were
robust
for
the
tenants
that
needn't
support
and
also
about
the
the
neighbors
that
are
experiencing
anti-social
behavior.
I
want
to
ensure
that
they
are
getting
the
support
that
they
need
as
well,
and
so
this
isn't
about.
B
You
know
giving
the
the
council
a
blanket
pose.
But,
to
my
mind,
it's
not
about
giving
the
council
a
blanket
policy
to
evict
people,
because
you
know
you
do.
None
of
us
want
to
see
people
out
in
the
street.
So
it's
about
giving
support
that
that's
needed,
and
it's
about
giving
the
making
sure
that
the
policies
are
robust
enough
to
do
that
and
alastair
did
you
want
to
come
in
yeah,
but
thanks.
C
C
That
destroys
lives,
and,
and
and
that
is
absolutely
bright
over
the
robust
policies
in
place
that
deals
with
it.
Absolutely
so
you
know
what
might
look
to
the
exact
focus
of
this.
Ultimately,
that
could
be
the
the
outcome
that
they're
all
seeking
to
be
completely
honest
with
that's
what
I'm
looking
for.
You
know,
I
think
stephen
clark
is
going
to
do
a
great
job,
great
job,
whatever.
I
think
that
the
music,
I
know
that
the
problems
like
I've
been
cherry
housing
before
I'm
getting
put.
C
Agreement-
I
think
it's
quite
important.
You
know
that
once
this
group
publishes
it
may
recommend
then
that
they
will
change
the
tenancy
agreement.
That'll
be
our
recommendation.
Ultimately
now
do
you
have
the
authority
to
do
that?
Council
level-
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
like
to
you
need
to
get
an
understanding
that
scotland
government
is
a.
G
G
B
Yeah
you're
talking
about
alistar,
because
I
was
going
to
leave
that
for
a
wee
bit
later.
I
was
want
to
concentrate
on
the
legislation
here.
First,
you
know
because
obviously
the
council's
got
statutory
legislation
that
they
have
to
abide
by.
So
if
that
isn't
fit
for
purpose,
then
that's
one
of
the
basic
things
that
needs
to
be
to
be
fixed.
B
Yes,
sorry,
I
wasn't
shutting
you
down
there,
because
I
I
am
going
to
go
into
that.
The
review
that
you're
talking
about.
I
was
going
to
go
on
to
the
review
that
you're
talking
about,
but
I
always
want
to
concentrate
on
the
legislation.
First
is
that
okay,
and
I
noticed
that
some
of
the
legends
stop
sorry
stephen.
I
noticed
that
some
of
the
legislation
here.
B
B
B
I
haven't
written
that
down
what
it's
called,
but
that's
from
2011,
and
I
wanted
to
ask
if
that
is
still
relevant
as
well
and
also
wanted
to
ask
when
there
is
guidance
and
when
there's
legislation,
I
do
understand
that
legislation
would
have
to
be
brought
into
the
the
housing
services.
But
when
do
you
use
guidance
and
when
do
you
not
use
guidance
because
guidance?
Isn't
legislation.
E
Although
guidance,
then
itself
is
not
mandatory
you're,
it's
almost
it's
not
made
mandatory,
but
it
is
mandatory.
You
have
to
follow
the
guidance
and
one
of
the
things
that
court
will
look
at
when
they
have
a
case
before
them.
Is
the
statutory
guidance
been
issued?
Have
you
followed
this
when
you
have
gone
through
your
procedures?
E
So,
although
there's
there's
nothing
which
says
that
you
must
do
this,
it's
regarded
as
a
baseline,
a
minimum,
and
it's
one
of
the
factors
that
sheriffs
look
at
when
cases
go
before
them.
Did
you
follow
that
guidance?
Was
the
the
government
issued
and
if
not,
why
not?
You
know
we
is
you
know
we.
You
know
we
can
have
a
look
at
it.
B
F
Sorry,
I'm
on
mute
there
I
think
it's
I
mean
for
for
answering
these
questions.
I
think
you'd
need
to
you
know.
I
think,
if
we're,
if
we're
scoping
out
what
we're
looking
at
doing
in
this
panel,
we
need
to
then
invite
in
people
to
answer
the
specific
questions
you're
asking
you
know.
I
think
some
of
these
questions
are
better
answered
by
potentially
dan
hartles,
the
team
leader
for
antisocial
behavior.
You
know,
so
I
don't
think
we're
in
a
position
to
answer
fully
all
the
questions
that
you're
you
want
to.
F
You
know
you're
wanting
answers
for,
and
you
know,
but
it's
appropriate
that
you're
raising
the
questions
that
you
want
us
to
look
at.
So
we
know
who
to
you
know
who
to
ask
for
evidence.
You
know,
as
would
be
appropriate
in
order
that
you're
getting
you
know
the
best
answer
that
you
want.
You
know
in
terms
of
the
most
full,
comprehensive
responses.
C
And
I
suggest
that
you
maybe
require
certain
agenda
for
the
next
week
when
they
invite
two
sets
of
people
along.
You
know.
I
think
that
another
one
being
done
after
that-
that's
probably
the
right
one.
I
I
really
do
think
we
should
have
somebody
wrong
with
support
network.
I
think
that
they
say
victims
support
scotland.
They
do
a
lot
of
good
stuff
in
relation
to
social
behavior
and
support
and
all
those
are
special,
but
they
want
to
consider
inviting
people
along
with
the
attendance
for
participation
advisory
service.
C
F
F
I
think,
for
that
reason
it
might
be
appropriate
to
ask
stephen
mccabe
the
allocations
team
leader
to
come
in
to
talk
about
the
process
of
of
the
you
know,
allocation
policy
and
decisions
that
were
taken
at
that
point
and
that
would
seem
appropriate
to
have
him
involved
in
a
future
meeting
or
an
ever
evidence
gathering
session
in
terms
of
how
you
want
to
do
it,
I
suppose
just
on
it
was
also
mentioned
earlier
in
terms
of
you
know,
speaking
to
victims.
I
just
the
only
concern
I
would
have
about
that.
F
Is
that
if
they're
talking
about
specific
cases
that
could
present
some
data
protection
issues,
that
would
even
be
a
and
potentially
an
issue
in
a
private
session
to
discuss.
So
it's
something
that
would
maybe
need
to
get
a
bit
of
advice
from
from
charlie's
team
in
terms
of
how
that
could
be
done,
but
I
I
can.
I
can
understand
that
it
could
be.
You
know,
powerful,
to
hear
the
you
know,
sort
of
lived
experience,
but
I'm
just
a
bit
concerned
about
data
protection
issues
in
relation
to
that
yeah
charlie
wants
to
speak
to
that.
B
E
Thanks
yeah,
this
is
coming
back
on
stephen's
stephen's
point
and
and
perhaps
you're
asking
you
to
ponder
this
we're
here.
I
think,
because
you've
already
identified
those
individual
issues
which
have
arisen.
So
I
would
ask
you
to
question
whether
you
get
any
benefit
in
the
time
that
you
have
from
going
back
over
that
again
and
whether
you
should
perhaps
be
concentrating
on
some
of
the
the
organizations
that
counselor
mcpherson
mentioned,
like
p,
pass
victim
support,
overarching
umbrella
organizations
who
can
present
a
wider
view,
as
opposed
to
a
more
subjective,
specific
view
from
individual
tenants.
E
Obviously,
that's
a
decision
for
you
to
make,
but
I'm
just
mindful
of
the
time
that
you
have
to
to
report
back
and
and
the
the
comments
that
were
made
by
councilman
first
and
counselor
flanagan
earlier
on
about
trying
not
to
have
this
sprawl
into
a
wide-ranging
fact-finding
body,
but
rather
keep
it
focused
and
keep
it
tight
and
keep
it
keep
it
keep
it
lean.
So
it's
something
that's
a
decision
for
the
panel,
not
for
officers,
but
that
would
be
my
advice.
D
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
just
to
kind
of
go
on
the
theme.
What
we're
saying
here
is,
although
we're
recording
these
meetings-
and
you
know
we
people
can
read
through
the
minutes.
I
think
we
need
to
kind
of
do
a
lot
of
press
on
this
as
well
and
really
put
things
on
social
media
as
well
to
say
that
we're
really.
You
know
this.
G
I
think
the
main
thing
I
think
is
to
keep
it
tight
regard.
What
motion
we
have
have
the
expertise
in
a
consult
but
not
consult
to
the
extent
that
we
actually
have.
We
can't
all
bring
this
together.
I
think
that's
the
thing,
so
perhaps
it's
getting
what
we
need
for
the
next
meeting
may
be
a
good
start.
A
Yeah,
it
was
maybe
just
to
add
to
a
couple
of
points.
I
think
a
few
people
have
mentioned.
Dan's
name-
and
you
know
at
the
at
the
council,
were
fortunate
to
have
somebody
like
dan.
That's
got
a
lot
of
experience
in
this
area
and
I
know
in
terms
of
recruiting
resource
for
the
team.
It's
it's
it's
challenging
to
get
people
with
this
skill
set.
So
you
know,
I
think
I
would
support
a
session
with
an
on.
A
You
know
if
there's
a
q
a
around
some
of
that
from
probably
from
a
strategic
perspective.
The
other
thing
I
was
going
to
point
to
around
the
policy
document.
I
think
that
is
a
draft
and
the
dan
and
lisa
taylor
and
charlie
service
have
worked.
I've
done
a
lot
of
work
in
there.
I
think
there's
still
a
gap
for
for
a
bit
of
strategic
influence
there,
where
you
know
the
policy
needs
to
maybe
that
the
outcomes
of
vision
and
the
values
that
counselor
flanagan
was
pointing.
A
I
think,
needs
to
be
strengthened
in
that
document,
and
I
think
that
is
a
that's
a
there
should
be.
An
objective
of
this
group
is
to
to
give
us
some
direction
on
that
yeah.
I
would
also
point
to
the
lincoln-
and
I
might
even
ask
bryony
to
maybe
touch
on
that,
because
the
local
outcome
improvement
plan
points
to
you,
know
our
resilient
community's
theme
and
we
point
to
a
shift
from
enforcement
and
reaction
to
working
in
the
community
to
providing
you
know
a
team
around
the
person
in
that
very
strategic
document.
A
So
I
think
there's
things
like
that.
That
need
to
be
considered,
and
I
would
also
say
that
there's
an
opportunity
here
for
members
to
really
prime
the
strategy
document,
which
should
tell
us
how
we're
really
going
to
tackle
these
problems.
What
are
the
problem
areas
that
we
need
to
get
in
about?
What
are
the
new
services
that
we
might
need
to
provide?
You
know
that
will
come
at
a
later
date,
but
the
opportunities
here
to
prove
to
sort
of
prime
that
strategic
direction.
E
F
E
Very
successful
and
has
been
used
really
successfully
by
by
briny's
service
for
a
whole
manner
of
statutory
school
consultations
which
she's
had
to
undertake.
So
it's
a
really
powerful
tool
to
get
the
message
out
to
every
citizen
and
actually
wider.
Who
who
is
interested
and
you
get
feedback
through
that
too,
and
so
you
may
want
to
think
about
that.
I
Yes,
thank
you,
brian,
who
named
interim
head
of
education
and
independent
lead
officer
for
the
panel,
and
it
was
really
just
to
come
back
on
a
couple
of
things.
One
and
the
point
about
the
use
of
engage
which
has
been
very
successful
for
us
and
I
think,
careful
consideration
of
what
we.
What
we
ask.
I
And
it
marries
him
with
what
you
were
saying
councillor
venison
about
looking
carefully
at
the
support
that's
available
for
both
individuals
and
tenancies,
or
you
know,
with
challenging
circumstances
and
the
the
people
who
have
suffered
from
the
impact
of
anti-social
behavior.
That
would
be
relevant
for
both.
C
Cases
that
I
put
for
my
accounts
on
I've
got
two
or
three
occasions
that,
just
in
case
you're
watching
the
court
rules,
that's
whether
or
not
between
now
and
february.
There
is
an
opportunity
to
do
that
because
I
think
they'll
see
them
as
difficult
as
the
the
job
that
a
staff
have
got
to
try
and
get.
I
could
not,
you
know
conviction,
but
a
decree
against
alleged
anti-social
behavior.
That's
the
challenge.
I've
been
here
and
I'm
sorting
the
court
myself
and
they
come
out
shaking
your
head
about
the
condition.
C
I
said
these
people
live
in
the
real
world
completely
honestly
so,
but
I
think
I
don't
know
whether
or
not
the
obviously
covered
restrictions,
whether
you
can
do
these
court
settings
virtually,
but
you
may
want
to
consider
doing
that.
I
think
I've
got
a
good
visit
to
you.
I
can't
even
think
of
anything
but
anything
else.
E
G
Yes,
it's
small
to
do
in
the
cases
that
I've
been
involved
with
the
police
have
an
involvement
because
they
can't
go
back
to
properties
over
and
over
again,
so
I'm
just
suggesting,
perhaps
the
police
may,
and
just
going
back
to
council
mcpherson's
thing.
The
police
share
the
frustration
that
you've
just
expressed.
B
B
About
the
the
review
of
the
points
and
why
anti-social
behavior
wasn't
included
in
the
the
points,
because
it's
my
understanding
that
points
can't
be
allocated
to
prospective
tenants
who
are
experiencing
antisocial
behavior
and
they
can
be
awarded
if
it's
affecting
their
health.
So
that's
about.
I
I
find
that
a
bit
strange
is
that
medical
points.
B
F
Medical
pen
points
can
be
allocated
for
that
purpose.
You
know
in
the
paper
it
does
know
that
we
have
accepted
homeless
applications
from
existing
tenants
because
of
anti-social
behavior,
and
also
that
the
policy
that's
in
place
now,
you
know,
has
only
been
implemented
since
july,
but
there's
a
also
a
strategic
needs
category
and
where
the
where,
if
it's
an
exceptional
circumstance
which
could
be
an
exceptional
circumstance
of
you,
know,
unbearable
anti-social
behavior
and
we
could
move
someone
more
quickly.
F
But
you
know,
one
of
the
things
to
point
out
is,
you
know,
is
that
that's
not
necessarily
solving
the
problem
in
that
community
and
then
what
are
you
setting?
You
know
the
next
10
and
up
for,
if
you're
not
addressing
that,
but
you
can
talk
about
it
more
detail
and
I
think
it's
useful
to
know
that
with
the
review
of
the
allocation
policy
we're
reviewing
that
annually.
So
you
know
the
previous
allocation
policy
had
been
the
same
for
a
long
period
of
time.
F
So
we've
got
an
opportunity
to
review
that
in
2022
and
make
changes
to
it.
You
know
from
recommendations
from
the
script
and
also
and
from
a
process
of
consulting
on
some
of
the
recommendations
you
know.
So
there
is
an
opportunity
to
change
that
there
it's
not
set
in
stone
that
way.
It's
an
unchangeable
thing.
We
can
actually
make
amendments
to
that
once
we've
had
a
further
discussion
about
it
in
terms
of
harassment,
points
and
so
on.
F
In
terms
of
harassment
points,
it
is
in
the
code
against
that
that
local
authorities
and
housing
associations
can
apply
harassment
points,
but
it's
not
prescriptive
in
terms
of
they
must
apply.
Those
points
around
about
maybe
about
half
of
council
landlords.
Have
those
points
at
the
moment
but,
as
I
say,
we're
open
to
having
a
further
discussion
about
it.
We
can
bring
stephen
mccabe
along
talk
about
the
process
of
consultation
around
that
and
that
took
place
and
talk
about
what
recommendations
you
might
want
to
form
as
a
result
of
that.
B
But
what
I
I
would
like
to
to
to
be
done
is
that
it's
difficult
to
get
corroboration
and
evidence
of
anti-social
behavior.
So
I
would
like
to
see
what
other
councils
do
and
in
that
situation,
and
if
how
other
councils
get
evidence
of
of
anti-social,
behavior
and
also
I'd
like
to
see
if
other
councils
have
a
policy
that
gives
their
prospective
tenants
extra
points
for
anti-social
behavior.
B
So
I'd
like
I'd
like
to
have
a
comparison
as
to
how
how
sterling
and
policy
compared
to
other
councils
other
similar
councils-
and
I
also
wanted
to
so-
we
can
invite
stephen
mccabe
along
to
talk
about
the
review
of
the
allocations
policy.
That
was
that's
the
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
discuss
at
the
next
meeting,
and
I
also
wanted
to
raise
about
the
anti-social
behavior
policy.
That's
under
review
just
now.
F
B
C
Agreement,
I
really
do
think
that
maybe
stephen
mccabe
should
be
speaking
in
that
one
or
even
quarter
actually,
obviously,
because
there
are
colleges
under
the
tenancy
agreement
here
about
the
respect
for
others
and
such
like.
So
I
I
really
do
think
that's
the
really
key,
ultimately,
that
that
was
a
breachy
tenancy
and
that's
the
10
minutes
of
document,
not
a
really
really
important
piece
of
work,
and
I
think
more
in
relation
to
the
other
one
for
the
next
meeting
is
that.
C
C
C
You
know
elected
members,
no
one
in
the
real
world,
none
of
the
council
tenants
and
my
good,
so
I
really
do
think
they
need
some
form
of
representation
or
income
from
as
early
as
possible,
and
the
last
thing
I
see
more
than
a
bit
steven
has
mentioned.
Rsl
partners
cells
are
not
perfect
in
this
either
steam
and
you
know-
and
I'm
not
one
of
many
specific
cases,
but
the
case
I
picked
up
released
in
our
recent
visit,
then
that
the
salvation
army
was
having
been
exploited
for
several
years
and
four
thousand
did
nothing
about
it.
C
B
B
E
Are
you
also
looking
for
someone
to
come
along?
Who
can
represent
tenants,
and
I
would
reiterate
my
previous
point
about
not
having
individual
tenants
along.
I
don't
think
that
would
be.
I
think
that
would
probably
make
your
work
drag
out
longer
than
you
wanted
to
and
it'd
be
better
getting
some
overarching
body
in.
C
F
No,
we
could
potentially
facilitate
a
discussion
with
potentially
the
sterling
tenants
assembly
around
this
and
report
back
the
findings
of
that
it
could
be
reported
back
via
the
independent
prospection
officer
or
one
of
our
officers.
I
suppose
we
need
to
think
just
about
the
remit
in
terms
of
what
we're
asking
the
questions
in
order
that
you're
hearing
you
know
you're
getting
the
information
that
you
want.
So
we
can
have
a
discussion
about.
E
And
it's
sorry
if
I
could
just
jump
in
their
chair.
I
think
that
probably
you'll
have
a
better
idea
of
what
those
questions
are
going
to
be
after
you
speak
with
dan
and
with
stephen
at
the
next.
The
next
group
meeting-
and
I
was
also
going
to
make
another
suggestion
which
was
in
relation
to
the
anti-social
behavior
policy
dan's,
had
an
awful
lot
of
support
from
one
of
my
solicitors,
lisa
taylor,
and
it
may
be
of
use
for
lisa
to
be
here,
but
equally
I
can
probably
speak
to.
B
G
Quickly,
just
to
say,
unfortunately,
I
need
to
leave.
Unfortunately,
I
have
another
thing
to
go
to,
but
just
to
say
I
think
this
may
be
dan,
but
I
feel
that
there
should
be
somebody
who
we
can
speak
to
who
actually
goes
through
the
process
when
and
somebody's
going
for
an
anti-social,
behavior
order,
whatever
they're
doing.
G
A
Yeah,
just
picking
up
on
alice
point
there
about
talking
through
the
process,
I
think
would
need
legal
support
there,
because
I
think
that
you
know
it's
outlined
in
the
report
that
it's
really
the
latter
stages
really
involve
a
lot
of
legal
support
there
as
well,
so
that
would
that
would
need
to
be
picked
up.
I
was
going
to
just
pick
up
if
there's
any
information
that
needs
to
be
prepared
for
the
next
session.
A
You
know
if
we're
happy
just
with
the
the
papers,
as
they
are
the
policy
reviewer
if
there's
anything
more,
the
sooner
we're
made
aware
of
that,
the
better
just
for
officer
time
yeah,
like
yeah,
and
likewise
you
know
that
sl.
You
know
dan
and
I
have
spoken
about
a
few.
You
know
I've
had
a
few
operational
issues
in
rsl
properties
and-
and
I
think
that
could
be-
you
know
a
subsequent
agenda
that
that
we
could
maybe
get
a
view
on
that.
A
B
C
Your
comments,
but
after
the
vast
majority
of
people
once
they
get
to
know
about
the
platform,
will
give
their
personal
experience,
and
I
think
that
definitely
you're
going
to
have
is
how
you
select,
which
case
you
know,
or
you
know
it's
not
even
easier
than
that.
To
be
honest,
I
agree
with
you
the
principal
in
consultations,
I'm
working,
but
you
know
how
he's
going
to
be
ultimately
going
to
bring
forward,
obviously
not
an
individual's
case,
but
even
a
presentation
of
their
views.
It's
I
think
you
can
fall
in
the
room
with
that
one.
You
know.
B
E
E
You
know
just.
I
know
that's
a
very
broad
question,
but
these
are
things
so
we
don't
focus
it
in
on
individuals.
We
focus
on
experiences
and
that
then
feeds
back.
You
know
your
results
will
be
fed
back
to
you
by
the
digital
team,
a
format
that
you
can
easily
incorporate
into
your
reporting
and
the
in
which
will
be
gdpr
compliant.
F
Just
on
that
I
mean
we
could
work
something
up
with
the
digital
team
and
bring
that
to
the
next
meeting,
and
you
know
you
could
have
that
towards
the
end
of
the
agenda.
So
once
you've
heard
from
stephen
and
dan,
you
know
it's
easier
to
think
of
what
you
wanted
to
ask.
What
once
you've
considered
some
of
the
quote.
You
know
I
had
answers
to
some
of
the
questions
that
you're
asking
you
know,
so
we
could
do
it
that
way
in
order
that
it's
informed
by
you
know
the
evidence
you're
gathering.
C
C
The
trinity
commander,
at
the
end
of
that
chain
of
commander
chelsea
or
more
young
men
forward
the
process
so
somewhere
along
the
line.
Your
money
is
and
ultimately
that's.
My
biggest
concern
over
the
rest
is
how
drunk
dealers
are
allowed
to
operate
with
impunity,
and
but
I
do
know
the
answers
to
that,
and
I
know
that
our
hands
are
tight.
I
Thank
you
chair,
and
it
was
just
to
see.
I
think
that,
given
those
points,
what's
really
helpful,
when
you
use
the
engaged
platform
is
to
have
really
good
clear
but
brief
background
information
at
the
top
of
the
of
the
question
set,
so
that
people
are
aware
of
a
little
bit
more
clearly
of
the
parameters
and
of
that
that
area
of
a
service
delivery
before
they're
answering
the
questions.
D
D
Obviously
this
is
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
here,
but
again
I
don't
think
members
of
the
public
necessarily
know
not
no.
I
think
some
of
them
do,
but
maybe
not
all
of
them
know
that
it's
the
ultimate
decision
of
the
courts.
This
is
where
it
ends
up
and
I
think
a
lot
of
constituents
get
very
angry
with
us
with
the
police,
and
you
know
I
remember
I
chaired
a
local
meeting
and
you
know
I
felt
really
sorry
for
the
enforcement
officer.
D
D
We
will
do
everything
in
our
power,
but
the
ultimate
thing
that
needs
to
change
potentially
is
either
the
courts
or
pushing
this
all
the
way.
Back
to
this
potentially
for
making
recommendations
to
the
scottish
government
and
that
you
know
you
need
to
give
us
the
tools.
If
you
want
us
to
do
the
job,
you
know
that
kind
of
thing.
So
I
think
that's
really
important
as
well.
B
It's
certainly
difficult
for
for
counsellors
to
deal
with
it
so
to
for
housing
services
to
to
deal
within
the
parameters,
the
the
law
and
must
be
quite
difficult
for
them
is
as
well
and
but
I
think,
and
just
to
emphasize
it's
about
making
sure
that
our
policies,
the
council's
policies,
are
robust
enough
and
if
it
means
that
we
need
to
go
to
the
scottish
government
and
say
you
know
this.
The
p
p
p
over
here,
the
promoting
positive
outcomes
is
outdated,
not
fit
for
purpose.
B
E
Yeah
again,
it
was
just
a
suggestion
and
for
the
panel
chair,
given
the
impending
holidays,
when
there's
there
is
effect,
we're
going
to
be
dead
time
between
christmas
eve
and
the
5th
of
january.
We
really
would
be
trying
to
get
something
unengaged
before
then,
so
that
it's
up
as
as
quickly
as
it
can
be.
E
So
that
means
that
we
really
need
to
meet
again
as
quickly
as
we
can-
and
I
know
everybody's
diaries
are
around,
but
are
we
looking
to
have
what
what
at
least
one
meeting
and
before
the
break,
and
if
so,
when
you
know,
obviously
we'll
get
support
officers
to
check
diaries
and
to
put
that
in
that's?
The
other
thing
we
have
to
think
about
is
when
you
want
to
meet
again.
B
B
B
B
G
G
B
F
C
And
I
think
that's
the
challenge
here,
because,
ultimately,
if
I'm
going
to
be
taking
part
in
this,
I
I
know
where
the
blocks
are
going
to
come
at
the
end
of
this
and
I'll
see
you
later
and
I
still
doing
the
judiciary.
I
hate
to
keep
repeating
this,
but
the
bottom
line
being
here
is
if
he
can
do
so
much
when
he
gets
to
the
sheriff.
C
I
know
I
require
talking
about
a
pastor
who
came
to
my
super
kitchen
last
year
and
volunteered
he
would
be
happy
to
come
along.
We
may
want
to
ask
government
law
center,
but
very
good
relationship
with
them
or
shelter.
People
are
involved
in
the
latter
day
and
the
legal
process
has
been
absolutely
crucial
because
I
know
at
the
end
of
this
it
will
be
accused
of
that.
This
has
been
a
talking
shop
and,
ultimately,
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
to
evict
people
because
the
sheriffs
don't
do
it.
E
E
C
E
The
other
thing
I
would
add
is
that
we
have
no
compulsion
powers,
so
we
can't
make
people
come
and
people
have
to
come
voluntarily
and
also
people
who
a
shelter
and
government
law
center
that
you
mentioned
did
tend
to
act
not
exclusively
for,
but
generally
for
tenants
who
are
not
principally
asp,
er
accused
of
asb
type
behavior.
But
it's
other
folks
who
have
got
perhaps
ears
and
and
those
types
of
things
other
issues,
but
by
all
means
you
know.
E
C
An
acting
sheriff
or
an
active
sheriff
won't
come
along,
but
ultimately
it's
for
us
to
say:
well,
we
invited
them
along
and
they
refused
to
come
along.
That's
going
to
be
an
indictment
and
then
rather
than
us.
Well,
you
know,
and
but
retired
sheriffs
may
have
a
different
view.
Let's
seek
them
out
this.
This
is
too
important
an
issue
not
to
go
to
places,
but
it's
not
comfortable
for
people
more
than
I
think.
B
H
Yeah,
usually,
the
agendas
need
to
be
issued
three
clear
working
days
in
advance
for
for
all
public
meetings
like
this.
Obviously,
you
can
shorten
lead
and
time
scales
if
you're
happy
again
just
to
be
electronic
like
today,
and
if
you
want
paper
agendas
that
does
lengthen
the
lead
in
time
for
issuing
the
agenda,
because
we
need
to
send
them
to
print
beforehand.
So
it's
just
something.