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From YouTube: Special Budget Meeting – 17-02-2022
Description
A Special Budget Meeting of Stirling Council on 17th February 2022 broadcast on Microsoft Teams.
To view the agenda, follow this link: https://minutes.stirling.gov.uk/PDFs/SpecialCouncil/Agendas/CouncilSpecialAgenda.pdf.
Items for discussion included:
Meeting Start: 3mins 30secs
6mins 30secs
Housing Revenue Account Rental Strategy 2022/23
33mins 6secs
Housing – Capital Investment Programme 2022/23
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A
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A
B
B
F
F
Page
3
of
the
report
also
details
the
approach
to
consultation
that
we
took,
which
involved
a
special
meeting
of
the
housing
advisory
group,
followed
by
a
newsletter
going
out
to
all
tenants
asking
them
their
views
on
a
1.1,
1.5
or
1.7
percent
rent
increase.
It's
also
explained
to
tenants
that
a
higher
rent
increase
would
facilitate
an
increased
budget
for
spending
on
solar
panels
and
solar
battery
storage,
page
3
notes.
F
F
G
Thank
you
provost,
mr
thank
you
for
the
for
the
report
and
introduction.
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
professional
view
that
that
looking
at
even
with
the
proposed
increase
that
still
in
council,
has
the
lowest
rent
in
scotland
looking
at
the
list
of
coming
in.
But
if
the
proposed
increase
goes
through
70
pounds
and
85
pence,
I
think
the
next
one
is
perth
and
can
ross
at
71.47
followed
by
fall
cook
at
71.87,
and
it
goes
away
up
to
is
in
edinburgh.
F
Thanks
for
your
question,
councillor
houston,
I
I
think
actually
that
we're
the
second
lowest
council
rents
in
scotland.
I
think
maury
council
is
just
slightly
less
than
our
ends
and
it
would
remain
the
second
lowest
in
scotland
unless
there
was
a
rent
decrease
of
another
council,
which
I
think
is
is
very
unlikely,
so
our
rents
are
the
second
lowest
in
scotland.
F
I
think
that
our
rent
increases
are
most
influenced
really
by
salary
changes.
You
know
so
in
terms
of
the
percentage
increase
in
terms
of
cost
of
living
that
is
applied
every
year.
You
know
if
there
was
no
increase
supplied
in
a
year,
there
probably
would
be
less
cause
for
a
significant
round
decrease,
but
there
was
a
if
there
was
a
high
percentage
increase
going
forward.
That
would,
you
know,
would
necessitate
us
to
increase
our
rents
as
well
to
cover
the
additional
salary
costs
in
terms
of
going
forward.
G
F
In
terms
of
the
the
new
build
side
of
things,
construction
costs
have
increased
significantly,
but
we
still
have
an
ambitious
program
set
out
in
the
coming
years
for
renewable
development.
At
the
same
time,
there's
also
a
significant
increase
in
the
availability
of
grant
from
the
scottish
government
that
the
level
of
grant
is
increased
from
a
minimum
of
about
57
000
pounds
of
house
up
to
now
probably
mid
70s,
but
we
can
probably
make
justification
for
higher
levels
of
grant
than
that
so
that
that,
in
some
respects,
cancels
out
that
the
increased
construction
costs.
F
H
Yeah
thanks
promise,
stephen
I'm
just
a
bit
concerned
that
the
basis
for
this
increase
is
on
this
on
a
survey
which
had
less
than
seven
percent
response,
which
is
even
lower
than
the
survey
we
had
last
year
of
nine
percent.
Clearly,
if
you
are
three
people
ask
people
for
three
painful
options:
they're
gonna
opt
for
the
least
the
least
painful,
but
given
the
inflationary
pressures
that
council
houston
has
referred
to,
I
think
the
the
basis
for
choosing
this
option
on
the
results
of
a
very
limited
survey
is
is
not
very
robust.
F
F
One
thing
it
could
be
is
that
the
the
sort
of
range
of
options
are
quite
limited.
You
know
between
1.1
and
1.7,
it's
quite
a
narrow
range.
If
they've
been
higher
rent
increase
options
that
might
have
compelled
more
tenants
to
make
a
response
to.
You
know
to
voice
a
concern
about
significant
level
of
increase,
but
we
are
a
bit
disappointed
with
the
with
the
level
of
response.
However,
we
undertook
this
consultation
beginning
of
november.
F
To
you
know,
just
towards
the
end
of
december,
it
could
have
been
a
lot
of
people
were
more
concerned
about
the
situation
with
the
coronavirus.
At
that
point,
it
may
have
been
putting
off.
People
are
just
basically
juicing
people's
interest
in
being
engaged
with
that,
but
it
is
a
concern
that
we
would
like
to
see
a
higher
response
going
forward
that
we
might
want
to
decide
to
have
a
text
line
or
something
like
that
to
give
people
the
ability
to
respond.
That
way.
F
The
difficulty
is,
though,
the
more
open
and
the
more
accessible
you
make
it
for
voting,
the
more
the
the
the
less
robust
that
we
can
be
about
that
these
are
actually
our
tenants
or
it's
just
anyone
responding
to
the
surveys.
You
know,
that's
a
that's
a
risk
about
having
a
various
methods
of
communication,
but
all
tenants
received
a
paper
survey
and
we're
also
provided
with
the
ability
to
provide
online
responses
as
well.
H
F
H
F
I
didn't
you
know
we
certainly
didn't
want
to
propose
reductions
in
investment
for
any
any
of
the
other
parts
of
the
capital
program,
kitchens,
bathrooms
windows
and
so
on,
because
it
hasn't
been
as
a
significant
investment
as
we'd
like
in
the
stock
in
the
last
year
because
of
difficulties
in
the
supply
chain
or
restrictions
going
on
in
terms
of
working
in
people's
houses.
So
it
was
one
area
that
we
could.
We
could
try
and
bring
it
down
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
I
do.
F
I
do
take
a
point
that
you
know
we
want
to
fit
as
much
renewables,
but
it
must
be
said
that
our
stock
is
among
the
most
energy
efficient
in
scotland
at
the
moment,
but
obviously
there's
more.
We
can
be
doing
and
there
is
still
provision
in
the
budget
for
a
significant
number
of
solar
panels
of
battery
storage
into
the
stock.
I
D
Can
see
the
rationale
for
going
for
1.1
hostel
of
in
crisis
and
all
these
kind
of
issues
I
can.
I
think
it's
great
that
we
can
do
that.
However,
I
do
wonder
why
we
didn't
have
1.25
and
if
having
this
low
increase
this
year
might
mean
that
next
year
we
have
to
do
something
crazy.
Like
three
percent.
Is
that?
F
D
J
Provost,
that's
just
to
follow
up
on
council
davis
question
about
the
consultation
responses,
stephen.
I
just
wonder
if
you
could
talk
a
bit
more
about
the
wider
context
of
the
of
that
survey,
because
my
understanding
is
that
across
different
social
landlords
and
other
local
authorities,
responses
have
been
up
and
down.
J
F
A
C
Please
come
in
julian
hi,
hey
jillian
finlay
service
manager
acting
at
present,
counselor
you're,
quite
right.
You
know
when
speaking
to
the
sector
and
we're
hearing
that
the
response
levels
are
much
slower
across
the
board,
and
that
way
we
aren't
really
thinking
you
know
is
that
a
time
and
issue
obviously
we're
all
we're
all
limited
by
the
time
skills
that
we
can
carry
out
our
consultations.
C
Unfortunately,
yours
is
always
around
the
christmas
time,
so
that
does
have
an
impact,
but
across
the
board
we
have
heard
that
the
responsibility,
particularly
when
the
the
options
on
offer
are
lower.
I
think,
speaking
to
one
of
the
housing
associations
who
whose
options
were
much
higher,
they
got
a
higher
response
rate.
C
F
L
L
Existing
council
properties
that
we're
going
to
target
that
are
in
mixed
tenure
blocks
to
take
advantage
of
scottish
government
grant
funding
through,
what's
called
the
heat
tabs
program
whereby
we
can
secure
the
consent
of
the
owners
in
the
mix
tenure
blocks
and
offer
them
a
free
pv
system.
In
order
that
our
tenants,
who
up
until
now,
have
been
unable
to
benefit
from
pv
in
these
mixed
tenure
blocks
because
the
roof
is
communal
and
therefore
part
owned
by
owners
as
well
so
yeah.
L
So
as
at
the
returns
last
year
from
all
social
landlords,
the
average
pass
rate
across
scotland
was
six
percent
of
the
social
rented
stock,
whereas
in
stirling
council,
just
over
60
of
our
stock
now
meets
that
new
target
is
to
be
made
by
2032.
So
we're
we're
well
ahead
of
everyone
else,
but
obviously
we're
keen
to
try
and
deliver
that
that
minimum
level
to
as
many
tenants
as
possible
and
we're
looking
at
other
options,
including
underfloor
insulation,
whenever
possible.
L
Now
as
part
of
our
voids
process
and
where
tenants
voluntarily
ask,
can
you
do
anything
to
my
property
to
minimize
heat
loss
and
if
they're
willing
to
have
hatches
cutting
the
floor?
We're
and
the
solomon
underneath
is
deep
enough
that
we
can
get
a
contractor
in
underneath
the
floor
and
insulator
we'll
do
that
as
well.
M
Yeah
just
to
go
back
to
the
questionnaire,
it's
it's
certainly
good
to
hear
that
we're
actually
looking
at
how
we
can
continually
improve
the
consultation
as
an
iterative
process.
But
I
haven't
spoken
to
a
statistician,
a
in
the
council
recently
and
given
we're
talking
about
roughly
stephen
about
6
000
properties
that
a
the
estimated
response
rates
four
questionnaires
are
usually
a
quite
low,
but
between.
M
Seven
percent
and
the
and
the
nine
percent
that
is
not
particularly
that
low
for
typical
questionnaires
and
it
would
be
regarded
as
statistically
valid
in
terms
of
being
a
representative
sample
of
tenant
views.
So
it's
just
to
give.
I
think
it's
important
that
if
that
could
be
confirmed,
that
that
would
give
elected
members
the
assurance
that
the
information
that
they're
given
from
the
questionnaire
is
representative
and
as
a
valid
representative
sample.
F
Thank
you
for
your
question.
Councillor
farmer.
We
probably
something
would
have
to
come
to
provide
out
with
this
meeting
in
terms
of
the
confidence
interval
in
relation
to
this.
However,
we
do
do
our
tenant
satisfaction
survey
as
well,
and
I
feel
like
the
the
number
of
responses
we
get
for
the
satisfaction
survey.
Is
it's
not
a
dissimilar
response?
F
C
Yeah,
come
in
please
yep,
jillian
findlay
is
a
service
manager
acting
counselor
farmer.
Just
in
response
to
that,
when
we
do
our
independent
satisfaction
start
with
the
target
around
900
and
the
response,
and
that's
done
from
an
independent
point
of
view-
that's
a
cross-section
across
the
whole
council
areas,
and
it's
split.
You
know
it's
fully
split
in
that
way,
name
downwards,
and
so
that
that's
when
it
comes
from
the
independence
with
obviously
the
annual
rate
consultation.
C
M
Okay,
it's
just
just
basically
in
terms
of
the
actual
number
compared
to
the
compared
to
the
tenants
that
that
would
generally
be
regarded
as
a
statistically
valid
sample
is
really
what
I
was.
I
was
getting
at
to
give
to
it
members
that
assurance
that,
as
a
you
know,
a
a
meaningful
survey.
If
you
like.
J
C
C
So,
yes,
as
it
is
difficult,
and
I
was
looking
at
some
approaches
to
you
know,
we
did
make
a
lot
of
changes
to
the
the
consultation
document
this
year
and
that
was
well
received,
but
we're
also
thinking
of
maybe
some
sort
of
a
personalized
invitation
you
know
to
to
front
line
it
may
be
with
you
know
when
you
send
it
out
to
attend,
have
names,
you
know
personalize
it
more.
Maybe
if
there's
something
we
can
do
in
that
way,
and
also,
as
ever,
the
incentives
for
for
filling
out,
you
know,
consultations.
C
We
have
2.2
times
50,
pound
vouchers.
Is
that
something
we
can
look
at
in
incentivize
in
the
future,
so
that
there
are
things
that
we're
looking
at
and
we're
continually
trying
to
make
it
more
user
friendly?
Obviously,
you
know
this
year
we
made
a
lot
of
changes
to
the
document
that
seemed
to
be
well
received,
so
we
will
take
that
forward.
N
Yeah
thanks
provost,
but
first
of
all,
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
thank
our
housing
officers
and
the
support
staff
for
all
the
hard
work
over
the
the
past
12
months
and
despite
covered,
we've
managed
to
provide
a
lot
of
support
for
our
tenants
with
financial
advice
and
so
on.
We've
provided
new
homes
and
suddenly
instant,
blame
ratlock
and
pretty
soon
22
and
kiwi
should
be
coming
to
late
within
the
next
few
months,
provided
money
this
year
for
aids
and
adaptions
kitchens,
bathrooms
etc,
but
we'd
love
to
do
more.
N
But
coming
back
to
to
to
the
point
that
was
raised,
I
think
the
chief
officer
for
housing
raised
the
point
that
we
do
consult
with
our
tenants
through
the
housing
advisory
group,
and
we
did
look
at
a
range.
We
didn't
look
at
zero
percent.
We
didn't
look
at
three
four
percent,
but
through
those
discussions
we
decided
it
probably
best
to
to
limit
it
to
a
narrow
range
that
was
both
affordable
and
our
perception
and
gave
gave
the
maximum
return
for
for
our
box.
N
On
that
basis,
we
went
out
to
consult
on
on
the
three
options.
I
would
like
to
thank
jillian
for
the
open
door
report.
I
think
it
was
fantastic.
You
get
lots
of
useful
information
there
to
our
tenants
and
on
the
back
of
that,
the
tenants
came
back
and
and
said
1.1,
so
it's
on
that
basis.
I'd
like
to
approve
the
officer
recommendations,
one
to
three
on
page
one
of
the
report.
J
J
K
Yes,
okay.
I
would
also
like
to
thank
all
the
officers
for
all
the
work,
they've
done
and
especially
again
to
repeat
all
the
work
we've
done
to
make
our
houses
and
studying,
okay,
okay,
the
energy
efficient,
and
I
think
we
should
congratulate
okay,
the
officers
on
the
work
they've
done
over
the
last
few
years,
and
this
was
discussed
in
okay,
the
hag,
so
I'd
like
to
support
it.
Thank
you.
O
Mcpherson
yeah,
just
very
briefly
promise
you
have
anybody
wants
to
thank
officers.
I
want
to
thank
the
tenants
as
well.
The
tenants
are
happy
that
they've
got
a
good
service
here
this
I
think
they
get
value
for
money
and
then
I
think
the
tenants,
I
think
the
only
thing
I
would
say
to
jillian:
it's
not
real.
Our
question
is
such
as
they
couldn't
get
these
open
door
events
again
in
alberta
halls.
O
These
will
used
to
be
well
attended
where
tenants
would
come
along
and
and
and
communicate
with
officers,
so
the
quicker
we
can
get
back
to
normal,
not
the
better
but
yeah
thank
officers
for
the
great
work,
but
also
not
forget
to
thank
our
tenants
who
I
think
they
get
a
good
service,
so
the
council
gone
away
and
it's
recognizing
this
in
the
consultation
responses.
Thank
you.
A
E
M
F
F
Section
two
of
the
report
notes
that
our
planned
level
of
borrowing
for
next
year
is
just
under
4.3
million
pounds,
which
is
a
significant
reduction
from
the
current
year,
and
we
anticipate
receiving
6
million
pounds
in
scottish
government
grants
which
will
support
70
new
homes.
The
total
planned
expenditure
for
the
year
will
be
18.3
million
pounds
appendix
1
to
the
report
provides
a
breakdown
of
our
investment
plan
for
things
like
kitchens
bathrooms,
windows,
roofing
and
so
on.
F
I
Stephen
swan
service
manager
for
housing,
property
and
asset
management.
Yes,
council,
mcdonald,
appreciate
you
know
the
resurrect
material
cost,
a
supply
chain
issues
in
demand
in
terms
of
the
the
budget,
and
we
wouldn't
look
to
to
be
having
that
put
under
pressure.
What
may
happen
is
as
a
as
opposed
to
doing
200
kitchens.
We
may
only
get
192
if
there
is
a
slight
creepage
and
material
cost.
So
that's
how
we'll
manage
it
and
obviously
you
know
what
can
you
coming
out
off
the
cover
pandemic?
I
But
you
know
we're
not
we're
not
clear
of
the
woods
as
yet.
So
it
may
be
a
case
that
the
actual
amount
that
we
can
achieve
is
less
than
what
we're
planning,
but
we're
certainly
planning
to
do
that
full
amount,
as
of
we
are
at
the
moment,
but
it
will
be
a
are
very
much
suck
it
and
see
as
we
as
we
move
forward.
J
Thanks
bravest
just
a
question
on
page
21
2.6.4
under
the
central
heating
details,
what
the
the
budget
will
be
used
for
and
it
talks
about
replacing
obsolete
central
heating
systems
where
replacement
systems
previously
refused
by
the
tenant.
I
just
wonder
if
you
give
some
idea
of
to
be
the
scale
of
that
where
people
have
actually
refused
to
have
a
heating
system
upgraded
and
I'm
assuming
that
in
the
current
environment,
there's
a
lot
of
work
going
into
persuading
people
of
how
much.
That
is
a
very
good
idea
to
have
that
work
done.
F
This
can
yet
thank
you
for
your
question.
This
can
happen
for
a
number
of
reasons.
My
colleague,
gregor
whiteman
might
be
able
to
go
into
a
bit
of
detail
as
to
those
sort
of
reasons,
and
what
we've
been
doing
to
to
engage
with
tenants
that
have
maybe
refused
significant
work,
such
as
drinking
in
the
property
gregor.
L
L
Likewise,
those
properties
and
off-gas
areas
that
have
the
old-fashioned
storage
heaters
again.
We've
tried
to
persuade
them
to
agree
to
replace
them
with
the
modern,
efficient
version
which
is
dead,
straightforward,
taking
out
heater.
Putting
a
new
heater
back
in
they've
got
adjustable
legs,
so
they
fall
straight
into
the
little
slots
in
the
carpet
so
that
there's
no
decoration
of
carpeting
issues,
but
for
whatever
reason
there
are
still
some
tenants
that
quite
happy
with
what
they've
got
and
potentially
don't
want
the
upheaval.
L
But
as
we
start
coming
out
of
covert
pandemic,
you
know
we
are
hoping
that
we
will
engage
in
more.
Tenants
will
be
up
for
for
getting
those
those
properties
upgraded
because
just
now
they
are
showing
as
a
fail
for
the
energy
efficiency
standard,
albeit
we're
getting
an
exemption
on
it
because
there's
been
somewhere,
something
that
the
tenants
refused
and
but
also
obviously,
in
light
of
energy
costs
going
up.
We
hope
that
maybe
some
of
those
tenants
will
reconsider
and
seek
our
help
and
ask
you
know:
can
we
be?
L
J
We
can
only
seek
well,
we
can
see
to
to
persuade
and
inform
everything
I
mean.
Where
do
we
get
to
the
point?
When
is
there
anything
more?
We
can
do
because
it's
it's
it's
almost
enough.
It's
almost
an
act
of
self-harm,
quite
frankly
not
to
get
these
systems
put
in
place
or
financial
self-harm.
Not
to
do
this,
I
mean
how
robust
can
we
be
to
get
these
much
more
efficient
systems
in
place.
L
It's
really
down
to
persuasion
and
it
can
be
housing
officer
engagement.
It
can
be
income
maximization
officers
if
they're
in
touch
with
those
tenants,
and
if
that
highlights
that
the
the
tenant
would
benefit.
You
know
we
try
and
work
with
the
tent
persuade
them,
because
sometimes
it's
a
thought
of
the
upheaval
and
then
they
can
be
persuaded
when
our
technical
officers
visit
to
explain
what's
involved
and
we
can
arrange
to
maybe
temporarily
move
the
tenant
out
for
the
day
into
a
relative's
home.
L
G
Thank
you,
provost.
It's
on
page
23,
new
house
building
2.9.4
at
jury's
hill
phase.
One
development
of
the
site
is
expected
to
commence
in
2022-33
with
delivery
of
approximately
25
new
new
houses.
How
confident
are
you
about
that
figure
and
if
it
doesn't
transpire,
is
there
a?
Is
there
a
another
list
to
another
site
to
go
to,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we
keep
up
the
the
the
allocation
of
houses
that
we
intend
to
build?
Thank
you.
F
H
I
think
you
promised
yeah
on
page
20
stephen
item
2.2.
The
borrowing
is
going
to
reduce
from
last
year
from
a
decrease
of
6.45
million
pounds.
Is
that
because
the
capacity
constraints
was
because
of
lack
of
financial
availability,
because
presumably
demand
for
housing
is
still
well,
I
I
I
know
the
developer.
Housing
is
so
very
high
and
I'm
just
wondering
why
we're
not
maximizing
the
new
facilities.
H
F
It's
safe
to
say
that
this
current
year
has
been
a
very,
very
high
level
of
borrowing,
an
unusually
high
level
of
borrowing,
because
we've
had
a
number
of
sites.
Completing
the
other
thing
to
bear
in
mind
is
that
on
new
build
sites
we
tend
to
receive
the
scottish
government
grant
funding
up.
You
know
at
the
beginning,
at
the
early
stages
of
construction
and
most
of
the
sites
that
we've
got
completing
now,
we've
already
received
the
grant
funding
for
so
in
the
second
year
you
tend
to
have
to
borrow.
F
You
know,
borrow
more
of
your
own
money,
whereas
in
the
first
year
a
lot
of
that
development
funding
is
funded
directly
from
the
scottish
government
grant
funding.
So
that's
the
main
reason:
it's
been
a
significant
year
in
terms
of
units.
You
know
where
we're
looking
about
investment
of
about
160
units.
I
think
so.
F
That's
almost
a
three
percent
increase
in
council
housing
stock-
it's
not
significant
next
next
year,
but
it's
still
a
number
of
sites
in
a
number
of
areas,
and
so
I
would
say
that
the
sort
of
level
of
borrowing
we're
looking
at
this
year-
it's
more
normal.
I
don't
think
we
could
sustain
inevitable,
borrowing
that
we're
doing
in
our
current
year
every
single
year
without
having
that
an
impact
in
terms
of
debt
levels.
F
D
F
It
is
quite
a
small
figure
there.
Julie
finley
can
maybe
speak
to
that.
It
may
be
that
we're.
If
we're
looking
at
more
significant
regeneration
in
the
area,
there
would
be
a
significant
budget
there
in
terms
of
demolition
or
renewing
a
garage
sale.
I
think
this
is
generally
for
one-off
making
goods
on
a
specific
site
julian
finley.
Maybe
you
want
to
speak
to
that
briefly.
C
Please
sure
julian
finlay
service
manager
acting
yep
just
to
come
into
that.
Yes,
as
it's
from
minor
repairs
or
or
you
know,
like
the
one-off
garage
roof
repairs,
so
that
that
budget
has
been
consistent
at
5
000
for
for
a
long
time-
and
I
know
that
steven
is
as
intimate
that
there
might
be
some
further
budget
for
some
development
work
within
in
the
area.
So
it's
certainly
it's
not
it's
just
to
do
with
any
repairs
that
come
up
in
a
day-to-day
basis.
N
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
promised
I'll,
be
I'll,
be
briefly
we've,
given
this
a
good
hearing.
The
two
key
things
for
me
personally
are
what
we're
doing
with
fuel
poverty,
insulation,
solar
panels
etc,
and
the
fact
that
we
continue
to
build
houses,
new
homes
for
people,
so,
on
that
basis,
quite
happy
to
recommend
on
page
19
the
recommendation
to
approve
the
cab
proper
version.
A
J
J
O
O
I'm
delighted
to
see
that
an
snp,
p-led
administration
is
leading
and
building
the
scottish
government
for
providing
the
funding
as
well,
but
we
should
we
shouldn't
miss
that
out,
because
you
know
look
at
the
six
point.
Three,
six,
six
point:
zero
million
on
two
point:
eight
at
page
23,
it's
brilliant
and
these
houses-
we've
never
get
our
life
changers.
O
These
are
for
people,
we
need
complex
needs
and
such
like
so
they're
absolute
life
changers,
and
I
think
we
all
don't
know
stephen
clark
especially
picked
up.
You
know
there
was
slippers
in
previous
years.
The
delivery
knows
like
stephen
clark
and
his
online
deserve
great
credit
for
us
and
also
the
politicians
for
driving
the
agenda
forward,
but
I
think
all
in
all,
it's
a
good
news
story.