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From YouTube: Special Meeting of Stirling Council - 02-12-2021
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A special requisitioned meeting of Stirling Council broadcast live on Microsoft Teams.
A
D
D
First,
a
brief
statement
on
the
protocols
to
be
followed
during
this
remote
meeting
members
and
service
managers
should
activate
their
cameras.
Your
microphone
should
be
switched
on
when
invited
to
speak
and
switched
off.
When
you
have
finished
speaking,
this
is
important
as
it
helps
to
ensure
the
quality
of
the
audio
for
all
present.
D
D
G
D
C
So
my
group
has
brought
this
motion
forward
and
sorrow.
We've
worked
with
councillor
mcpherson
for
many
years
and
throughout.
Despite
some
colorful
political
debate,
we
have
generally
felt
that
his
chairmanship
of
the
committee
has
been
appropriate
and
technically
correct.
Events
over
the
past
week
have,
however,
changed
that
assessment.
This
has
been
a
hard
week
for
individual
counselors
as
a
leader.
I
have
to
have
a
view
to
the
well-being
of
my
team
and
to
myself,
and
I
cannot
remain
idle
when
that
well-being
is
put
at
risk.
C
Councilor
macpherson
has
used
this
position
as
chair
of
the
planning
panel
planning
a
regulation
panel
to
pursue
a
political
data
against
its
members
by
questioning
their
integrity.
Conveners
of
committees
should
not
misuse
their
position
to
make
politically
motivated
attacks
on
members
of
their
committee.
Nobody
should
be
expected
to
serve
under
the
chairmanship
of
someone
who
holds
them
in
contempt.
C
It
is
therefore
our
view.
The
council
mcpherson
has
shown
himself
unfit
to
continue
in
his
role
as
chair
of
this
non-political
quasi-judicial
panel.
It's
for
the
council
to
decide
whether
it
retains
confidence
from
councillor
mcpherson,
who
we
believe
cannot
be
trusted
to
carry
on
in
this
important
position.
I'll
leave
it
to
the
consciences
of
each
individual
member
of
this
council
to
decide
whether
they
think
council
mcpherson
should
continue
or
not.
If
the
emotional
confidence
fails,
the
scottish
conservative
members
of
the
planning
panel
will
resign
from
the
panel.
C
D
K
D
F
If
I
may,
I
I'm
not
sure
if
I
want
to
go
into
private
session,
because
I
don't
know
what
the
detail
is.
It's
a
difficult.
It's
a
difficult
decision
to
take
because
you're
saying
you
know
if
there's
going
to
be
so
you
know
I.
I
have
no
idea
what's
behind
counselor
benny's
assertions,
so
therefore
I
in
in
asking
the
question
about
it:
how
do
we
know
whether
or
not
this
is
something
that
should
be
taken
in
in
private
session?
F
D
H
C
But
I
feel
at
this
stage
it
would
be
unreasonable
of
me
or
anyone
else
to
ask
members
of
the
conservative
group
to
serve
on
the
planning
panel
as
long
as
council
mcpherson
remains
the
chair
of
the
planet
panel.
Therefore,
the
best
recourse
for
us
is
to
ask
the
council
if
they
retain
confidence
in
councillor
mcpherson
and
obviously,
if
they
do
so.
I've
already
outlined
that
we
would
not
serve
on
the
committee
with
under
the
chairmanship
of
counselling
fashion.
K
Thank
you.
There
is
a
point
of
order,
please,
as
a
genuine
point
of
order.
That's
the
purpose
of
this
meeting
today
is
whether
or
not
council
has
confidence
in
me.
It
does
not
allow
anybody
to
resign
from
the
planet
panel
today.
That
decision
will
need
to
be
taken
another
meeting,
so
it's
important
that
we'd
attach
these
two
issues
here.
This
is
whether
or
not
confidence
in
me
if.
J
Thank
you
promise.
I'm
rather
reminded
of
a
famous
quote
from
donald
rumsfeld.
It's
the
question
we
have
here
is
I
I
don't
know
what
I
don't
know
about
the
situation
and
the
question
of
whether
it
should
be
in
private,
because
the
question
is,
you
know
I
don't
I
don't
know
what
would
be
revealed
by
taking
into
private.
J
E
Yes,
I
mean
you
know:
I've
just
recently
joined
the
planning
panel,
but
I've
been
on
the
planning
panel
with
councillor
mcpherson
for
many
years
and
I
have
to
say
he.
He
discharges
his
duty
with
distinction
in
terms
of
how
he
chairs
the
panel
he
is,
he
is
even-handed.
He
is,
he
is
always
professional.
E
He
always
allows
a
for
proper,
a
an
informed
debate,
so
you
know
I
I
don't
understand
why
we
have
this
motion
to
remove
him
as
convener,
when
I
have
not
at
any
meetings
that
I've
attended
seen
any
impropriety
from
councillor
mcpherson
whatsoever.
So
the
question
is:
is
what
is
a
conservative
group?
What
are
the
basis
for
this
motion
and
and
and
what
are
the?
What
are
the
concerns
that
you're
raising.
G
D
C
C
I
can't
not
raise
this
as
a
complaint
and
I
know-
and
I
apologize
to
council
and
I
apologize
to
you
provost-
that
I'm
not
elaborating
here.
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
to
do
so.
I
don't
think
it
would
be
right.
I
also
don't
think
that
it
would
be
legally
proper
for
me
to
do
so.
I
do
apologize
to
members
of
the
council.
C
I
have
spoken
to
a
number
of
members
of
the
council,
including
councillor
farmer,
about
what
the
nature
of
this
issue
is
and
we're
very
sorry
to
council
about
and
to
people
who
are
presumably
watching
and
perhaps
may
watch
after
that.
We
can't
go
into
the
detail
on
this,
but
I
am
not
going
to
go
into
the
detail
of
this
in
either
public
or
private
session
of
the
council.
C
K
K
Sorry
but
counselor
arrow
kind
of
jumped
in
there
I
thought
it
was
literally
just
enemy
yeah.
I
think
it's
important
to
see
that
council
were
then
making
inferences
there
of
wrongdoing.
In
my
part,
in
his
last
statement
there
and
the
rest
assuredly,
that
is
definitely
not
the
case.
The
issue
that
counselor
benny
is
not
prepared
to
raise
it
because
he
knows
too
well
that
the
allegations
of
wrongdoing
follows
and
him
and
his
colleagues
and
not
in
me,
and
I
won't
elaborate
further
on
that.
L
L
So
again,
I
would
suggest
the
council
wanted
to
reconsider
this
position
on
taking
this
matter
private
at
this
time,
and
I
think
anyone
watching
this
would
recognize
that
we're
getting
nowhere
here,
and
I
would
hope
that
anyone
watching
this
realizes
that
there's
a
hesitance
to
say
anything
in
a
public
forum
and
I'd,
I
would
like
I
would
like
to
make
sure
all
councillors
are
able
to
see
what
they
need
to
say
or
want
to
say
and
are
comfortable
doing.
So
that's
why
council
mcpherson's
benefit
as
much
as
council
benny's
benefit.
A
There's
a
range
of
definitions
around
that
some
of
it
might
relate
to
personal
details
around
a
member
of
staff
or
business
relationships,
or
indeed
allegations
in
relation
to
criminal
activity
or
similar.
So
I
I
just
read
that
out
to
emphasize
that
it
doesn't
necessarily
talk
about
definite
it
talks
about
what
might
be
said.
I
hope
lots
of
assistance.
D
E
C
H
So
I
would
like
to
it
to
have
gone
into
private
session,
but
if
counselor
benny
says
he
won't
say:
okay
anymore,
okay,
I
need
to
respect
that.
I
just
have
a
question
if
it
did
go
into
private
session
and
counselor,
if
any
doesn't
want
to
say
anything,
does
that
preclude
okay,
any
other
council
in
private
session
who
are
saying
something?
No.
L
Told
us
to
ask
one
more
question:
yes,
does
any
member
wish
to
declare
at
this
stage
that
they
have
something
that
they
would
like
to
say
in
private
section
that
they
would
not
like
to
say
in
public
session,
because
if
all
members
don't
have
anything
to
say,
there's
no
point
in
the
private
session?
If
any
member
does
that
may
influence
how?
I
would
set
my
little
bit
voting
if
it
was
a
vote
on
moving.
L
D
K
G
G
Nobody
can
discuss
it
either
in
public
session
or
private
session,
and
I
think
if
there
is
a
an
allegation
of
such
severity,
that
you're
asking
a
convener
to
stand
down,
then
an
independent
body
should
really
be
investigating
this
taking
all
sides,
somebody
who
doesn't
have
a
dog
in
the
fight
so
to
speak
and
come
to
an
independent
decision
this
this.
This
really
does
not
sit
well
with
me.
J
Yes,
I
tend
to
agree
with
council,
mcgill
and
council
farmer
that
I
think
we're
in
rather
dodgy
ground
here,
because
we're
we're
showing
my
age.
It
reminds
me
rather
of
solzhenitsy
and
the
gulag
archipelago.
We
have
kind
of
a
show
trial
here
where
the
evidence
is
not
being
presented
and
the
the
debate
is
really
about
what
is
in
the
public
domain.
What
is
maybe
a
legal
issue
or
what
is
a
council
process
issue?
I
can't
help
feel
that
this
issue
has
become
elevated
to
to
quite
a
sort
of
a
high-stakes
drama.
J
When
I
suspect
it's
probably
more
a
matter
of
process,
I
feel
very
uncomfortable.
We're
asked
being
asked
to
make
a
decision
on
something
which,
which
could
be
quite
significant,
but
it
may
not
be
and
strictly
in
a
point
going
into
private
session
if
no
more
information
is
going
to
be
revealed.
So
I
think
the
issue
before
us
is:
does
the
council
have
confidence
in
the
convene
of
the
planning
committee?
B
K
And
you
know
something
probably
despite
a
political
reference,
even
like
many
many
years
of
the
campaign
against
the
conservative
group.
It's
the
party
ideology
that
I've
always
opposed,
not
individual
members
and
I
arrived
absolutely.
I
respect
every
conservative
party
member
and
evidence
everything's
conservative,
but
I
don't
know
ideology
there's.
No.
I
don't
have
any
acts
to
grind
here.
I
just
think
if
you're
looking
for
my
head
here-
and
I
have
done
something
wrong-
I
would
resign
before
this,
but
I
know
I
haven't
been
in
it
for
long.
K
I
can
100
guaranteed
to
counsel
that
the
allegations
of
no
allegations
being
made
against
me.
There
are
no
complaints
made
that
to
me
as
far
as
I'm
aware,
via
the
council
or
the
standard
commission,
so
that
this
is
kind
of
danny
and
I
know
what
he's
upset
about
and
if
he
wants
to
elaborate
further,
I'm
happy
to
collaborate
at
the
end
of
the
day.
K
There's
another
authority
possibly
going
to
investigate
us
very
shortly,
and
I
think
we
should
leave
at
that-
and
I
personally
know,
given
that
nothing's
going
to
be
offered
in
private
session
would
just
like
to
go
to
the
vote.
I
think
it's
expanded
by
six
to
three.
I
think
she
just
wrote
the
vote.
Promise.
D
D
L
A
K
E
F
G
D
A
L
Hey
but
obviously
just
a
quick
point-
I
don't
know
indeed
you
know
that
accounts
the
the
person
referred
to
an
email
that
I
sent
him
40
minutes
ago,
he's
absolutely
correct
that
I
send
him
that
email
and
he
wants
to
know
what
the
matters
I'm
referring
to.
The
matters
that
I
referred
to
in
the
email
that
I
said
to
councilman
were
the
matches
that
he
put
in
the
email
to
me
and
other
members
on
sunday
that
I
was
responding
to
the
email
40
minutes
ago.
L
So
it's
going
to
be
person's
email,
it's
the
matters
within
his
email
that
I'm
referring
to,
and
it's
therefore
up
to
him
to
expand
on
them
if
he
so
wishes
to
do
so.
The
point
I
would
make
at
this
point
is:
we
need
a
functioning
planning
panel
and
the
planning
panel
needs
to
function
with
a
chair
that
can
command
the
confidence
of
the
majority
of
the
panel.
Now,
if
councilman
first
were
to
win
today,
the
one
wins
possibly
the
wrong
one.
L
L
What
I
have
to
do
is
step
aside
until
we
could
sort
this
matter
out,
because
we
we
first
and
foremost
regardless
of
how
we
wish
to
vote,
and
I
deeply
regret
the
word
that
we're
here
today
accounts
in
the
first.
I
take
absolutely
no
joy
in
this
situation.
Whatever
I
notice
is
not
not
of
my
making
that
we
are
here
so
when
you're
calling
things
I'm
saying
outrageous,
I'm
simply
trying
to
help
a
colleague
ensure
that
we
can
get
to
the
point
where
we
have
a
functioning
planning
partner.
L
So
it's
unfortunate
and-
and
I
I
wanted
just
to
say
that
promise
that
my
email
to
council,
the
first
one
was
simply
to
ask
him
to
stand
aside
so
that
the
planning
panel,
which
I
know
meets
on
tuesday,
can
meet,
and
I
I
have
a
deep
fear
that
we're
in
a
situation
where
the
planning
panel
is
dysfunctional.
That's
regrettable
and
I
hope
I
hope
provost.
L
I
am
wrong,
but
that's
that's
the
clarification
I
wish
to
give
you
today
and
I'm
sorry
glad
to
go
to
a
vote
for
me
to
get
the
chance
to
respond,
and
I
would
say
to
my
colleagues
on
the
table
you
could
have
just
let
me
respond.
That
was
simply
all
I
was
asking
for.
There
was
no
political
masternation
this
at
all.
It
was
simply
to
respond
to
a
challenge.
That'd
been
made
to
me,
and
it's
very
unfortunate,
that
I
had
to
go
to
a
vote.
H
D
D
K
Yeah
thanks
brothers.
I
think
it's
important
to
see
here
as
well
the
threats
of
making
the
planning
panel
and
core.
You
know,
I'm
sure
that
the
businesses
will
be
quite
concerned
to
hear
that,
however,
and
and
I
mean
to
clarify
that
in
relation
to
the
makeup
in
the
planning
panel,
my
understanding
is
that
five
members
of
the
administration
was
one
of
the
five
members.
K
And
those
five
members
could
be
five
smp
members,
not
perfect,
but
governor's
only
many
three
or
four
meetings
before
the
local
elections.
You
know,
I
guess
it's
important
here-
that
you
know
that
multi-million
pound
planning
applications
which
are
going
to
deliver
social,
rented
housing.
They
really
want
to
put
these
in
hold
because
of
an
allegation
that
they're
not
prepared
to
say
that
they
really
want
to
withdraw
taxi
drivers
licenses
from
being
determined.
K
K
Is
that
what
they
really
want-
and
there
is
an
independent
process,
if
there's
any
concerns,
when
we
should
within
them
defend
the
process.
Brother
entirely
power
lines
are
vital
function
of
this
pencil.
I
don't
think
that
would
involve
the
public,
regardless
of
the
machine,
allowing
the
corrects
in
any
way
to
make
the
panel
mentally
counsel
them
their
mind
up
today.
This
is
after
nonsense
and
the
listening
things
that
came.
I
Sorry,
I
do
understand
why
council
bernie
has
brought
this
forward,
but
I
also
understand
why
councillor
benny
councillor
mcpherson
sorry
also
did
what
he
did
so
I
do.
I
do
understand
both
sides,
but
what
I
wanted
to
make
clear
was
that
in
the
about
the
planning
panel
itself,
if
the
conservatives
were
to
resign
from
the
planning
panel,
as
as
the
said,
they
would
and
would
the
planning
panel
still
be
able
to
operate.
A
A
B
D
J
K
K
Well,
I
think
I've
seen
everything
that
I
wanted
to
see
here
without
you
know
that
there
are
allegations
against
a
conservative
and
serious
allegations,
I'm
not
going
to
say
any
further
than
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
because
the
I
don't
think
that
anybody's
interest
in
the
state,
because
there's
an
independent
body,
a
much
higher
than
this
council
investigating
this,
so
I'm
going
to
leave
it
in.
That
is
regretful,
and
this
is
nothing
better
than
seeking
the
scalp
or
something
I've
worked
hard.
Anybody
was
like
planning
over
the
years
and
I've
worked
diligently.
K
Speak
unhindered
and
such
like,
so
I
think
of
the
chairman
of
the
victory
plan
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
relegates
to
the
move
against
the
cancer
health
of
the
group
was
not
against
me.
So
that's
important
to
say
that
in
princeton
many
is
not
prepared
to
roger
I'm
not
compared
to
that
at
the
stage.
I
I
don't
think
I
should
be
gonna
say,
but
I
think
when
they're
concerned
over
my
chairmanship,
they
should
go
with
the
either
julia
or
the
standards
commission.
K
K
Supposedly,
in
our
joint
administration,
joint
partnership
agreement,
you
know
and
and
their
counselor
claimed
quite
clearly
as
compared
to
his
decision
by
asking
me
a
design-
I
I
just
I'm
perplexed
by
the
whole
thing
and
I
just
look
forward
to
the
whole
either
way.
But
you
know
the
important
thing
here
for
me:
probably
the
conservative
party
and
whatever
you're
the
sake
of
abroad.
This
panel
can
still
function.
You
work
for
the
public,
you
know
the
multi-million
pound
developments
which
deliver
affordable
housing
tax
drivers
license
application.
The
supply
chain
is
really.