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From YouTube: Special Meeting of Stirling Council - 16-12-2021
Description
A special meeting of Stirling Council broadcast live on Microsoft Teams.
To view the agenda, follow this link:
https://minutes.stirling.gov.uk/PDFs/SpecialCouncil/Agendas/CouncilSpecialAgenda.pdf.
Items for discussion include:
1. Apologies.
2. Declarations Of Interest.
3. Stirling Council Bridge Condition Report.
A
To
this
special
meeting
of
sterling
council,
this
meeting
is
being
broadcast,
live
on
the
council's
youtube
and
a
recording
will
be
available
on
the
website
after
this
meeting.
Firstly,
a
brief
reminder
of
the
protocol
that
we
will
be
following
elected
members
and
senior
officers
should
activate
their
cameras.
Officers
will
keep
their
cameras
switched
on.
All
attendees
should
mute
their
microphones
and
keep
them
mute
throughout
the
meeting.
When
not
speaking
when
invited
to
speak,
you
should
switch
a
microphone
on
and
switch
it
off
when
you
have
finished.
A
If
you
wish
to
speak,
please
use
the
raise
hand
button
on
the
panel
on
your
screen
and
remove
it.
When
you
have
finished
officers
who
are
invited,
please
would
they
give
their
names
and
job
titles
before
speaking,
for
the
first
time,
if
you
lose
connection
or
have
any
technical
issues
during
the
meeting,
please
alert
the
clerk
as
soon
as
possible.
A
We
will
be
observing
the
time
limit
set
out
in
standing
orders,
namely
five
minutes
for
proposing
a
motion.
Three
minutes
for
seconding
a
motion
and
three
minutes
for
summing
up.
Also
members
will
be
allowed
two
questions
to
officers
each
and
a
follow-up
question.
Will
count
as
a
second
question,
I
will
now
hand
over
to
the
clerk
to
take
the
roll
call
julian.
C
D
E
B
A
A
G
Thank
you,
provost,
it's
bruciaki
senior
manager
for
environment
and
place
and
I'll
just
give
a
short
overview
of
the
report.
As
councils
are
aware,
at
a
special
council
meeting
on
the
21st
of
october
this
year,
in
relation
to
the
branch
shugo
bridge
and
catterburn
bridge
update
report,
it
was
agreed
that
officers
would
bring
forward
a
report
to
a
special
counsel
meeting
today
in
the
16th
of
december.
G
Asset
management
plan
principle
and
general
inspections
have
and
continue
to
be
undertaken
on
our
bridge
infrastructures
and
those
general
inspections
are
used
to
calculate
the
bridge
stock
condition
index
value
which
for
21.83
20
20
21.
This
value
remained
within
the
boundary
of
a
fair
condition
for
sterling
council's
bridge
stock.
G
From
these
values,
a
prioritized
bridge
maintenance
programme
was
established,
which
is
focused
on
telford
bridge
rosburn,
culvert
and
blaine
water
retaining
wall.
In
addition
to
that
capital
funding,
the
service
submitted
bids
to
the
scottish
government's
local
bridge
maintenance
fund
for
seven
bridges,
namely
carterburn
branch,
ogle,
luncheoken,
cardross,
stevenson,
brother
forth
and
bridge
of
allen.
G
Therefore,
the
drawdown
on
reserves
agreed
at
the
spence
special
council
meeting
on
the
21st
of
october
can
be
reduced
accordingly
in
relation
to
branshugold
bridge
works
have
actually
commenced
on
the
structural
improvements
with
anticipated
work
programme
of
18
weeks
at
catterburn
bridge
consultant
engineers
are
undertaking
all
necessary
investigations
in
order
to
produce
detailed
designs
for
repair,
also
to
ensure
maximum
competition
and
ensure
best
value.
A
prior
information
notice
was
published
on
the
24th
of
november
and
22
notes
of
interest
have
been
received.
G
G
The
service
is
also
a
currently
working
on
the
railway
station
bridge
at
birmingham
road
which
received
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
pounds
in
the
capital
budget
for
twenty
one.
Twenty
two,
with
the
information
available
at
the
moment
and
from
the
principal
inspections
and
structural
reviews
to
be
carried
out,
the
consultants
will
continue
to
develop
a
bridges
and
structures
asset
management
plan
which
will
review
how
investment
levels
can
improve
the
condition
of
bridges
and
structures
in
the
medium
term.
G
F
In
the
report
on
page
3
and
1.6,
it
talks
about
66
being
achieved
on
the
inspection,
the
principal
inspections,
but
could
you
say
what's
happening
to
the
rest
of
those
inspections
that
wasn't
achieved
and
what
the
program
will
be
and
because
that
it
must
be
important
to
to
carry
this
out,
and
I
gather
there
may
be
a
lack
of
okay,
the
lack
of
resources
to
do
that.
So
please,
could
you
update
us
on
what
or
what's
going
to
happen
to
the
shortfall
there?
Thank
you.
G
Yeah,
council,
thomas
you're,
absolutely
right,
I
think,
in
the
previous
section
of
the
report,
we
talked
about
the
resources
that
we've
actually
had
within
the
structures
and
bridges
team
we've
obviously
been
struggling
to
recruit
into
some
of
the
bridge
engineer
posts
at
this
point
in
time.
So,
as
we
mentioned
in
the
report,
we're
very
much
focused
on
the
the
bridges
and
obviously
the
majority
of
those
principal
inspections
have
been
targeted
on
our
bridge
stock
and
going
forward,
and
obviously
within
the
report.
I
think
it's
appendix
4.
G
D
Thank
you
bruce
yeah,
thanks
report,
just
being
a
bit
lazy
really,
but
you've
got
data
on
on
page
three
of
the
of
the
value
and
how
their
values
are
rated
and
then
they
do
an
appendix
2
on
the
individual
scores.
I
wonder
if
next
time
we
could
integrate
the
two,
so
we
could
see
the
distribution
of
bridge
conditions
by
category
so
how
many
in
the
excellent,
how
many
are
in
good
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
D
H
I
B
G
And
some
majority
I'll
perhaps
refer
over
to
maria,
in
terms
of
that
at
the
moment
we
have
about
over
800
structures
that
are
listed
at
this
point
in
time.
There
are
a
number
of
additional
sort
of
fruit,
bridges,
etc
that
are
on
the
sort
of
public
footpath
network
as
well,
and
I
know
that
another
team
are
actually
undertaking
a
bit
of
work
to
consolidate
what
those
structures
are
and
but
in
terms
of
the
actual
specifics
of
the
memorial
bridge
I'll
just
hand
over
to
murray.
At
this
point
in
time,.
H
Thank
you
bruce
yeah,
I'm
I'm
aware
of
the
there's
an
issue
with
a
number
of
the
the
structures
which
are
on
the
core
paths.
The
pedestrianized
structure
so
bruce
is
correct
and
when
he's
outlined
there,
that
that
is
managed
by
a
different
team
at
this
present
time-
and
I
know
that
they
have
their
own
assigned
an
associated
budget
and
their
own
plans
for
progression
with
a
variety
of
different
pieces
of
work,
and
so
within
our
area
we
manage
those
structures
that
are
on
either
adopted,
footways
or
adopted
public
highways,
and
so
that
is
the
distinction.
H
C
C
G
G
Obviously,
if,
if
you
undertake
a
principal
inspection,
therefore
don't
need
to
do
a
general
inspection
in
that
that
same
year,
period
as
well,
the
the
principal
inspections
will
actually
lead
to
structural
reviews.
They
may
actually
lead
on
then
to
full
structural
assessments
or
scour
assessments
etc
as
well.
So
once
you
undertake
that
principle
inspection,
you
will
perhaps
see
some
things
that
you
want
to
undertake
further
assessments
on.
Sometimes
that
can
be
a
very
sort
of
simple
sort
of
chart
process
that
we
can
run
through.
Sometimes
it
can
be
more
invasive
work.
J
Yes,
thanks:
richard
has
interim
roads
manager
the
service,
the
code
of
practice
that
bruce
refers
to
is
national
court
of
practice,
which
is
introduced
in
2016,
which
suggests
and
only
gives
guidance
on
what
the
recommended
frequencies
are.
But
it's
something
that
the
industry
works
towards
so
the
year.
J
Provincial
inspections
in
the
two-year
general
inspections
are
are
seen
as
being
adequate
to
be
able
to
deal
with
the
the
approach,
if
anything
occurs,
to
a
structure
within
that
period
of
time
or
between
each
issue,
and
that
could
well
be
something
like
heavy
flooding
scour
effect,
a
vehicle
impact
damage
or
some
other
catastrophic
intervention.
Then
there
obviously
there's
a
there's:
a
straightforward
review,
rig,
assess
and
and
pre-prioritize
that
particular
structure.
A
number
of
options
are
all
in
that
particular
stage.
One
is
is
obviously
to
close.
J
It
will
completely
close
the
bridge
completely,
but
usually
it's
it's
issues
like
reducing
the
loading
or
reducing
the
potential
impact
between
the
the
the
tropic
and
the
sidewall
or,
and
that
can
be
done
through
additional
barriers
or
can
be
done
through
a
single
line
traffic
or
if
we
do,
by
putting
a
weight
limit
on
any
of
those
particular
structures.
So,
in
a
sense,
we're
looking
at
this,
the
bridges
themselves
are
in
a
fair
condition.
C
J
J
Of
course,
sorry
not
the
the
the
impact,
but
also
the
the
the
the
potential
to
to
other
erode
uses
of
any
particular
injury
or
damage
or
what
it
happens
to
be.
So
we
would
score
that
if
you
like
within
it
within
a
sort
of
skill
and
if
it
hit
the
high
priority,
then
it
wouldn't
require
immediate
response,
which
could
mean
closure
or
could
mean
reduced
traffic
flow
or
reduced
width
on
the
across
the
carriageway.
K
Thank
you,
travis
first
question
is
bruce
on
page
one
at
the
very
big
purpose
and
summary
it
talks
about
the
ongoing
work
to
develop
a
bridges
and
structures.
Asset
management
plan
then
overleaf
on
the
top
of
page
two.
The
information
contained
within
this
plan
that's
been
developed,
will
also
be
used
by
the
service
to
help
inform
council's
futures
revenue
and
capital
budget
settlements.
K
So
my
question
is:
is
if
we
haven't
had
a
plan
up
until
now,
I
you
know
I
kind
of
maybe
I
don't
know
if
I'm
alone,
but
I'm
assuming
a
lot
of
counselors,
including
myself,
thought
we
had
an
asset
management
plan
for
bridges.
So
if
we
haven't
had
one
up
to
now,
how
have
we
determined
budget
allocations
and
work
to
do
in
all
the
previous
years?.
G
G
We're
creating
the
prioritized
list,
as
richard
was
talking
about
in
terms
of
our
bridges,
to
look
at
a
forward
investment
plan
in
relation
to
that,
it's
that
work
has
been
going
on
behind
the
scenes
anyway.
So
maria
and
the
team
will
be
pulling
that
information
off
on
a
three
to
five
year
cycle
at
this
point
in
time
and
that
helps
inform
our
priorities
as
part
of
the
the
capital
budget.
G
K
L
H
I
think
that's
a
very
difficult
question
to
answer,
because
each
structure
is
different.
The
way
in
which
each
structure
is
scored,
that
cumulative
scoring,
which
is
made
up
of
items
associated
scores
associated
with
individual
element
scores
so
would
be
more.
We
would
look
at
the
individual,
so
look
at
the
overall
kind
of
holistic
scoring.
We
would
look
at
those
kind
of
categories
that
it
falls
into.
You
know
good,
very
good,
poor
fear,
etc.
H
So,
when
it
starts
going
to
fear,
it
is
when
more
of
a
focus
goes
on
it
so
fair
down
to
ver
down
to
poor,
certainly,
but
we
would
also,
moreover,
look
at
the
individual
element
scores
and
and
if
they
were
of
the
higher
vein,
we
would
focus
on
those
particular
elements,
because
it's
not
simply
the
the
bci
average.
It's
also
the
bci
crit.
So
we
would
it's
about
looking
at
a
number
of
figures
together,
as
opposed
to
one
definite
figure
on
on
one
side,
I
would
say.
J
I
think,
if
I
could
add
just
to
probably
and
that's
it
to
the
answer
that
marie
has
given
that
we're
talking
now
about
moving
in
the
new
code
of
practice,
which
is
two
or
three
years
old.
Now
it's
what
we
call
a
risk-based
approach,
but
it
the
word
risk
is
sometimes
suggests
that
there
is
a
significant
risk.
What
are
they
described
as
an
evidence-based
approach?
So
we
take
the
evidence
from
the
inspection
process
and
then
we
quantify
that
evidence
against
a
series
of
individual
criteria
that
we
set
ourselves.
J
So,
as
rosa
said,
connectivity
can
be
one
of
those
issues
or
it
could
be
the
loading
it
could
be
other
other
sorts
of
practice.
So
we
then
take
that
in
that
evidence,
and
then
we
prioritize
from
that
evidence.
It
does
necessarily
mean
that
a
low
score
will
be
high
of
the
list
or
even
a
high
score
will
be.
You
know
further
down,
it's
that's
the
one
of
the
pieces
of
evidence
that
we
use
to
then
re-prioritize
our
list
based
upon
the
likelihood
and
impact
of
those
occurrences
that
were
described
earlier
on
taking
place.
M
Thank
you,
as
officers
are
aware,
telford
bridget
brannockburn
has
been
in
need
of
repair
for
a
number
of
years.
It
was
inspected
again
recently
to
find
that
the
condition
had
deteriorated
again,
and
I
just
wanted
to
know.
When
will
residents
of
bannockburn
expect
the
bridge
to
be
repaired,
and
could
it
be
the
case
that
the
deterioration
will
be
so
bad
that
they,
it
will
be
irreparable
damage
at
some
point.
G
Yes,
councillor
benison
in
relation
to
telford
bridge.
We've
obviously
highlighted
that
as
one
of
the
the
priority
structures
through
this
year's
capital
budget,
obviously
officer
resource
has
been
diverted
away
with
the
the
parapet
collapses
at
both
caterpillar
and
brian
shugal.
But
as
as
we
stated
that
finance
and
economy,
we
would
carry
forward
that
funding
and
that
priority
and
telford
in
terms
of
telford
bridge.
We
were
certainly
keen
to
to
find
a
repair
and
a
solution
for
telford
bridge.
G
H
So
I
would
say,
in
relation
to
telephone
bridge,
there's
probably
two
items
to
very
distinctly
separate
items
worth
mentioning
there,
so
there's
obviously
help
for
bridge
itself,
but
equally
there
is
the
retaining
wall
that
is
attached
to
the
structure.
So
it's
the
retaining
wall,
which
we
monitor
and
have
been
done
doing
so
for
a
number
of
years.
Now
we
monitor
that
on
a
monthly
basis.
H
We
are
now
looking
at
alternative
methods
of
working
potentially
introducing
a
joint
forming
a
new
joint
ourselves
between
the
wall
and
the
structure,
so
that
there
is,
if
there
is
movement,
it's
it's
taken
account
of
within
that
within
that
joint.
So
we
are
still
progressing
with
the
intent
to
proceed
with
some
form
of
stabilization
works
on
that
wall,
but
certainly
we
don't
want
to
proceed
if
it's
not
the
right
thing,
and
if
we
don't
feel
that
the
if
we're
taking
too
much
risk,
we
certainly
don't
want
to
proceed
in
that.
H
The
second
element
is
around
sort
of
repair
and
ongoing
maintenance
to
the
structure
itself.
The
main
element
is
the
fact
that
there
is
some
type
of
water
ingress
in
that
there
was
a
number
of
years
ago
about
seven
eight
years
ago,
at
this
stage
there
was
a
fairly
extensive
survey
done
on
that
to
try
and
understand
and
track
how
water
was
entering
the
structure,
how
it
was
working
its
way
through
it.
The
outcome
of
all
of
that
extensive
work
was
inconclusive.
H
H
N
N
The
reason
I
asked
the
question
is
that
I've
spoken
to
members
of
the
community
who've
reported
seeing
that
now
that
the
parapet
has
collapsed,
you
can
see
large
amounts
of
water
pouring
when
it's
raining
pouring
down
the
road
and
off
the
side
of
the
bridge,
where
the
probably
used
to
be
in
very
large
quantities
and
making
the
point
that
if
the
pirates
have
been
there,
it
couldn't
have
done
that
so
that
water
would
have
to
have
gone
somewhere.
Perhaps
it
would
have
run
off
the
bridge.
N
G
I'll
I'll,
maybe
just
start
off
and
bring
you
here
just
to
give
an
update
in
relation
to
that
in
terms
of
the
actual
water
flow
and
the
bridge
at
the
moment,
you're
absolutely
right,
cancer
barrel.
It's
something
that
we're
looking
into
to
try
and
divert
that
water
away
and
obviously
to
to
secure
the
the
surface
as
well.
G
G
We
then
obviously
have
to
take
a
track
through
that
wooded
area
and
to
ensure
that
that
water
is
diverted
away
from
the
structure
at
this
point
in
time
and
obviously
to
protect
the
the
structure
that
remains,
but
obviously
the
services
that
are
carried
over
that
that
bridge
as
well,
and
so
I
know
that
maria's
been
progressing,
that
that
piece
of
work
and
I'll.
Maybe
just
ask
her
to
give
a
bit
more
detail
on
that
at
this
point
in
time,.
H
Yeah
what
bruce
is
outlined
there
is
absolutely
correct,
we're
obviously
keen
to
take
that
water.
That's
that's
coming
down
from
that
the
hill
from
the
south
off
the
structure
to
safeguard
a
little
bit
further,
but
it
will
require
us
bringing
sandbags
across
that
road
and
digging
a
trail
right.
The
way
through
sort
of
the
upstream
and
downstream
through
that
wooded
area
on
the
upstream
and
through
the
area
that
was
owned
by
sort
of
delinear
house
in
that
pathway.
But
we
do
need
to
make
formal
contact
with
those
landowners
to
make
those
arrangements.
N
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
kurt.
My
second
question:
provost
yeah
people
are
frozen
right
when
you
look
at
the
resource
obligations
on
page
one,
the
annual
revenue
budget
is
set
out
as
four
hundred
and
eight
thousand
and
capital
budget,
three
hundred
and
forty
eight
thousand,
which
obviously
looks
completely
inadequate
amounts
of
money
set
against
the
the
scale
of
the
necessary
repairs,
for
example,
on
page
30,
just
the
three
bridges
alone:
stevenson:
river
fourth
bridge
of
ireland
station
bridge
just
those
three
alone,
estimated
4.8
million
pounds
of
repairs
needed.
N
So,
although
obviously
the
the
the
current
allocation,
I
know
in
this
suspicion,
it
may
not
be
possible
to
answer
the
question,
but
in
an
ideal
world,
if
we
had
enough
revenue
and
capital
budget
available-
and
we
had
the
capacity
within
the
council
and
with
external
contractors
to
spend
that
money.
How
much
would
those
budgets
need
to
be.
G
You
you're
right
councillor
barrel
and
it's
not
something
that
we
can
or
would
put
a
value
on
it
at
this
point
in
time.
What
what
I
would
say
is
that,
obviously,
when
we
bring
forward
the
bridges
and
structures
asset
management
plan,
that
will
be
looking
at
a
prioritized
list
of
of
structures
that
are
going
to
require
work,
but
that
work
will
be
over
a
longer
period
of
time
and
that's
something
that
we're
discussing
with
the
the
consultants
you
know.
Is
it
over
a
10
15
20
year
period?
G
So
it's
it's
a
long
term
investment
plan
that
we
need
to
undertake
here
in
terms
of
some
of
the
bridges.
I
would
also
say
as
well
that
when
we
talk
about
bridge
maintenance,
not
every
bridge
is
going
to
require
the
sort
of
level
of
investment
that's
sort
of
been
outlined
in
terms
of
local
bridge
maintenance
fund.
G
For
example,
some
of
the
bridges
and
structures
may
require
some
a
vegetarian
vegetation
clearance.
They
may
require
some
minimal
drainage
works.
They
may
require
some
line,
mortar,
pointing
which
is
within
the
sort
of
less
than
ten
thousand
or
in
the
tens
of
thousands,
rather
than
being
in
the
hundreds
of
thousands
as
well.
So
I
I
would
say
that
you
know.
O
Thanks
provost,
jim
boyle,
chief
finance
officer
yeah,
so
really
just
to
add
to
what
bruce
has
just
said.
Clearly,
all
our
asset
management
plans,
whether
that
be
bridges,
roads,
education,
estate,
etc,
will
require
over
a
longer
period
of
time,
significant
investment
and
the
reality
is
obviously
not
all
of
that
can
be
done
at
the
one
time.
So
I
think
I
think
the
key
thing
here
is
looking
across
all
of
these.
O
Taking
that
risk
based
approach
in
terms
of
what
assets
are
likely
to
require
interventions
early,
but
also
taking
account
of
the
need
to
remediate
assets
as
early
as
possible,
so
that
their
ultimate
bill
for
remediation
does
not
become
disproportionately
large.
It's
it's
a
difficult
one
to
answer
just
now,
but
I
I
think
that
that
approach
has
to
be
taken
to
to
assess
what
are
the
real,
immediate
priorities,
bearing
in
mind
that
the
overall
financial
resources
of
the
council
are
not
finite
and
are
increasingly
becoming
constrained.
E
A
b
listed
structure
you
know
the
unsightly
barrier
in
front
of
that
which
is
not
nearly
aesthetically
sympathetic
to
the
bridge.
I
think
there's
been
to
me
it
looks
an
appropriate
point
and
being
done
which
she
should
have
been
done
with
historic
scotland
like
so
you
know,
it's
very
frustrating
and
we're
gonna
have
to
sell
this
to
our
community.
G
That's
councilman
in
terms
of
the
the
the
budget.
I
think
it
was
at
the
last
financing
economy
meeting
that
we
would
ask
for
that
money
to
be
carried
forward
into
22
23
and
that
also
applied
to
rosburn
culvert
and
also
the
the
blaine
water
retaining
wall
as
well.
Council
mcpherson,
I
think
the
other
point
is
as
well
as
we
equally
share
your
frustration
in
terms
of
telford
bridge
as
well.
G
We
agree,
you
know
the
the
the
red
and
white
barriers
are,
you
know
they're,
not
aesthetically,
pleasing
but
equally
as
well.
We
want
to
make
sure
because
of
that
you'll
see
to
be
a
listed
nature
of
the
the
structure
there.
Whatever
repair
that
we
come
in
with
has
to
be
absolutely
right
and
we
don't
want
to
cause
sort
of.
You
know
extensive
problems
elsewhere
by
putting
in
the
wrong
solution.
E
Just
very
briefly,
but
thanks
for
that
bruce,
I
appreciate
that
response.
I
think
the
good
morning
as
well
you're.
Obviously
I'm
looking
at
the
the
bci
average
in
the
council
bridges.
It
was
7.75
26.1
until
the
version
is
now
sitting
at
75.3,
so
so
or
it
may
be
in
reverse
that,
but
the
end
of
the
concern
you're,
it
continues
to
deteriorate
and
what
has
been
monitored
on
a
monthly
basis.
That's
the
concern
with
body
that
continues
to
deteriorate
and
I'd.
E
K
K
This
is
a
problem
that
is,
is,
I
think,
getting
worse
and
worse,
and,
although,
technically
or
under
under
the
eye
of
the
law,
the
police
are
there
to
enforce
vehicles
crossing
these
bridges
that
shouldn't
be
there
because
of
the
weight
restriction.
I
mean
practically,
that's
just
unenforceable,
it
doesn't
happen,
the
police
don't
have
the
resources,
they
can't
be
there.
You
know,
so
there
is
no
real
enforcement
of
this
and
these
overweight.
In
many
cases,
overweight
vehicles
are
exacerbating
and
speeding
up
deterioration
of
these
structures
by
using
them
illegally.
K
What
I
can
we've
had
correspondence
on
this
myself
and
council
macdonald.
I
know
on
this.
What
we,
what
I
cannot
get
my
head
around,
is
why
we
are
not
seriously
exploring
some
digital
solutions
to
how
we
can
monitor
these
bridges
and
make
them
people
that
actually
drive
over
them
in
vehicles
that
shouldn't
be
over
them
actually
possible
to
be
penalized
and
caught
doing
it
using
digital
technology
and
cameras,
and
obviously
appropriately
signed
that
that
is
the
case.
H
I'm
happy
to
take
that
question.
Bruce.
Okay,
I
think
the
one
thing
we
need
to
be
very
aware
of-
and
I
think
it's
something
certainly
I
have
only
recently
myself
become
aware
of-
is
that
I
have
been
in
touch
on
numerous
occasions
many
days,
many
evenings
with
the
police
at
various
different
locations
dealing
with
particular
structures,
particularly
in
diversion
routes
recently,
and
when
I
have
supplied
video
footage
of
clearly
vehicles
that
exceed
the
weight
limit.
H
The
police
have
refused
to
enforce
the
weight
limit
because
they
have
said
unless
we
are
actually
on
site
unless
we
meet
the
offender
and
unless
we
are
actually
able
to
weigh
that
vehicle
at
that
location
or
take
them
to
a
way
bridge.
We
cannot
enforce
that.
So
simply,
video
footage
on
its
own
still
means
that
it's
it's
all
enforceable.
So
it
needs
to
be
more
than
just
simply
video
footage,
because
the
police
will
not
accept
that
and
they
are
the
ones
that
enforce
it.
So
that
is,
I
guess,
issue
number
one.
H
On
our
side
issue
number
two
is:
we
have
looked,
and
I
have
had
various
discussions
around
putting
cctv
cameras
in
even
just
as
a
deterrent
and
even
potentially,
as
you
know,
we
have,
as
you
know,
a
number
of
bridge
strikes
in
these
types
of
locations
as
well,
so
simply
as
a
deterrent.
For
that
it
does
throw
up
data
protection
issues.
It
does
throw
up.
You
know
who
is
to
house
this
apparatus?
How
long
are
we
to
keep
the
video
footage
for
and
who
is
to
manage
it
alongside
issues
of
of
supply
of
the
wi-fi?
H
P
So
we're
relying
on
the
the
weight
limit
effectively
to
be
the
control
measure
that
allows
that
bridge
to
continue
and
it's
in
its
in
its
current
format,
to
allow
majority
access,
but
obviously
taking
off
some
of
the
heavy
vehicles.
And
I
know
there
are
particular
issues
with
logging
vehicles
etc
in
the
rural
area
that
have
been
reported.
K
J
I
was
only
going
to
add
to
what
brian
was
saying,
because
it
was
it
just
really
just
sort
of
raised
the
analogy
with
with
bridge
strikes
for
under
undersized
bridges
or
low
bridges.
In
effect,
the
number
of
those
hits
are
still
not
reducing.
Despite
significant
amount
of
work
being
done,
drivers
of
vehicles
either
do
not
know
how
high
their
vehicles
are
or
do
not
know
what
the
weight
of
their
vehicle
is.
J
So
you
know
that
track
of
enforcement
is
very
difficult
to
get
through,
and
what
we're
trying
to
avoid
is
the
strike
we're
trying
to
avoid
the
damage
occurring,
and
that
is
it's
often
something
we
can't
actually
do,
because
we
haven't
got
the
there's,
not
the
will
within
the
driving
force.
You
actually
understand
what
these
problems
are,
let
alone
them
whether
or
not
the
there
should
be
going
down
certain
roads,
because
I
think
again,
there's
an
issue
about
access.
Some
people
consider
that
the
limit
is
not
there.
J
I
Q
Thanks
brothers,
with
regards
to
2.31,
on
page
nine,
I'm
trying
to
understand
this
bruce
in
terms
of
the
two
maintenance
strategy
that
you're
talking
about
bringing
forward
a
plan,
preventative
and
a
plan
due
minimum.
The
maintenance
strategies
determine
how
works
are
targeted
and
when
works
are
triggered.
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
that
are
those
strategies
there
to
help
inform
our
budget
process,
or
are
they
there
to
put
a
to
help
inform
the
operational
strategies
within
the
service?
What's
the
interrelationship
between
those
two?
G
Council
benny
absolutely
right
and
it
actually
informs
both
elements.
So
if
I
can
maybe
start
with
the
operational
element,
first,
so
you're
absolutely
right
that
those
that
sort
of
planned
preventative
strategy
that
we
can
undertake,
which
is
very
much
about
renewal,
improvement
and
structural
improvements
to
some
of
our
bridge
stock
as
well.
G
That
will
help
inform
our
indicative
program
that
we
bring
forward
through
the
the
asset
management
plan
and
obviously
that
allows
us
to
really
sort
of
plan
both
from
an
operational
perspective,
but
obviously
helps
inform
the
revenue
and
capital
budgets
in
terms
of
what
is
the
best
route
forward.
From
an
operational
point
of
view,
and
also
equally
from
a
financial
perspective
as
well.
Q
So
they're
not
exclusive,
they
they
can
effectively
operate
at
the
same
time,
it's
not
a
choice
between
those
two.
I
I
think
I
understand
what
you're
saying
there
in
terms
of
I
just
wanted
to
build
a
little
bit
more
on
this,
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
I
felt
during
the
last
capital
program,
and
certainly
I
put
this
into
our
resolution.
I
Q
There
wasn't
enough
information
in
the
program
to
make
an
informed
decision
about
what
this
year's
capital
program
should
be,
and
I'm
very
interested
in
these
kind
of
processes
that
allow
us
to
get
the
kind
of
information
to
enable
us
to
set
a
budget
which
takes
account
of
these
things
and
had
we
had
this.
Information
in
the
past
might
have
led
to
the
prevention
of
the
the
the
the
issues
that
branspar.
Q
But
the
in
terms
of
this
I'd
like
to
understand.
How
do
we
get
to
a
stage
where
the
information
that
is
coming
forward
for
budgetary
decisions,
specifically
capital
thinking
about,
but
also
in
terms
of
revenue
decisions,
are
infor,
are
informing
us
enough
that
we
are
able
to
make
those
decisions
and
be
able
to
make
those
comparisons
between
the
risks
associated
with
this
particular
issue
and
the
risks
associated
with
other
elements
of
the
castle
council's
asset
sort
of
the
the
the
council
assets.
G
I
think,
from
my
perspective,
councillor
benny
it's
about
providing
it
at
the
right
staging
at
the
right
time,
so
very
much
in
terms
of
bringing
forward
that
asset
management
plan,
which
was
stated
would
actually
include
an
indicative
maintenance
program
that
we
bring
that
forward
in
september.
Obviously,
that
allows
sufficient
time
to
obviously
digest
that
information.
G
Have
discussions
have
further
sort
of
conversations
in
it,
so
it
can
inform
the
budget
process
as
we
enter
into
the
sort
of
early
part
of
the
the
following
year
as
well.
Obviously,
the
reason
for
it
being
an
annual
update
as
well
as
as
we
go
through
the
general
inspections
and
the
principal
inspections
going
forward.
G
That
will
actually
probably
change
some
of
the
the
program
in
future
years,
depending
on
the
type
and
the
condition
that
we
find
when
we
go
out
to
those
bridges
as
well.
So
it's
about
providing
that
information
in
the
sufficient
time
period
as
well
as
actually
providing
an
update
on
an
annual
basis
as
well.
P
Right
thanks
provost
brian
roberts,
chief
operating
officer
of
infrastructure,
environment
again
and
thanks
council
lebron
for
your
question.
Bruce
has
covered
a
lot,
but
just
just
to
build
on
that.
I
think
the
key
point
is
making
sure
that
the
asset
management
plans
are
in
place
and
have
been
through
the
relevant
committees
in
advance
of
the
budget
setting
process
and
if
we're
doing,
asset
management
right,
we
should
never
be
in
a
position
where
it's
a
it's
a
forced
decision
on
there's
a
catastrophic
failure.
J
A
J
Just
just
to
really
just
to
what
brian
has
said,
I
was
trying
to
sort
of
work,
a
way
of
sort
of
thinking
about
the
way
assets
are
of
valued
and
what
the
cost
of
the
asset
rebuild
would
be,
which
is
quite
a
significant
amount
of
money
in
terms
of
structures,
but
we'll
we
we
would
be
seeking
to
get
what
we
call
a
steady
state
without
with
our
assets,
whether
that's
roads,
bridges,
buildings
or
whatever,
and
in
the
terms
of
structures
that
might
be
to
have
a
score.
That
is
an
average
of
80
plus.
J
J
J
If
you
spend
it
in,
you
know
x
million
pounds
you
get
in
seven
years,
whatever
it
happens
to
be,
but
that's
the
asset
management
plan
will
put
those
options
in
front
of
members
and
allow
them
to
make
those
particular
choices
about
where
they
want
to
to
see
us
at
a
particular,
steady
state
term.
When
that's
likely
to
be
achieved.
R
J
R
Okay
and
the
only
reason
I'm
asking
that
is
that
I'm
just
a
bit
confused,
because
we
hear
reports
all
the
time
of
police
investigating
crimes
based
on
videos
that
come
up
on
social
media,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
admit,
some
of
them
are
to
a
much
more
serious
degree,
but
I'm
confused
at
the
message
from
the
police
here
saying
that
they
can't
investigate
anything
based
on
video
evidence.
If
that's,
if
that's
a
crime,
that's
been
videoed,
I'm
not
understanding
why
they
can't
investigate
it.
J
I
could
respond
cancer.
Obviously
what
they
don't
have
is
the
weight
of
the
vehicle
at
that
particular
time.
Yes,
they
can
see
the
big,
but
they
don't
actually
have
the
weight
of
that
vehicle.
So
they
need
that
evidence
as
well
to
support
that
prosecution.
The
vehicle
has
to
be
a
certain
way
to
to
sub,
to
break
the
speed
limit
tertiary
to
break
the
traffic
regulation,
order
that
sits
in
place.
R
A
P
Thanks
promise
and
thanks
councillor
flanagan
for
your
question.
I
think
that
the
point
you're
making
is
a
really
good
one
for
some
of
the
weight
limits.
It
will
not
be
possible
to
tell
by
the
photograph
of
the
vehicle
whether
it's
actually
overweight,
and
so
that's
why
the
police
need
to
stop
them
for
some
of
the
bridges
and
there's
some
in
the
list
that
are
only
three
tonne.
If
you've
got
an
htv
car
and
logs
going
over
that,
then
it's
quite
clear
in
excess
of
that.
P
I
don't
know
the
the
detail
or
the
circumstances
of
the
you
know
the
ones
that
members
have
raised
for
the
service,
but
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
commit
to,
because
we
don't
have
that
many
bridges
with
weight
limits.
You
know,
as
a
proportion
of
the
overall
network
is
commit
to
a
work
with
the
police
and
understand
exactly
what
the
issues
are.
Do
we
need
more
intelligence?
P
Do
we
need
to
put
in
the
survey
equipment
to
identify
at
what
times
the
days,
or
or
particular
times
of
the
year,
that
there's
issues
there,
because,
as
I
said
earlier,
we're
putting
weight
limits
in
as
control
measures?
Tell
you
the
safe
operation
of
that
bridge
for
the
people
and
the
vehicles
that
are
permitted
to
travel
across
it
and
you're
right.
If,
if
we
allow
hgvs
to
travel
over
that,
then
that
will
deteriorate
the
bridge
which
defeats
the
purpose
of
putting
the
weight
limit.
S
Thank
you,
provost
carol,
beatty
chief
executive,
I'm
just
conscious.
It
sounds
a
little
bit
like
we're
committing
police
resources
here
which
we're
absolutely
not
in
a
position
to
do
all
right
so
just
to
make
that
clear.
Obviously
we
will
do
it
up
most
about
with
police
scotland
on
this,
but
we
cannot
make
any
kind
of
commitments
in
terms
of
what
they're
able
to
do
on
the
back
of
us.
So
it
was
just
to
make
that
point.
Thank
you.
Provost
thank.
A
K
I
am
you're
quite
right.
Thank
you,
sorry
about
that.
Yes,
you're,
just
following
on
from
that
point,
I
think
yeah
I'd
be
really
interested
to
see
the
work
we
can
do
on
this,
and
I
take
carol's
point
about
not
committing
police
resources.
I'd
like
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
decide
whether
they're
going
to
commit
resources
to
it
or
not.
To
be
honest
with
you,
let's
put
the
ball
in
their
court
on
this
one
and
see
how
they
react
to
it
because
councillor
flanagan's
point
is
a
good
one.
K
C
C
I
just
had
a
thought
that
maybe
the
best
idea
would
to
be
to
pro
to
show
on
a
priority
list
of
the
top
20
or
so
and
band
the
rest,
possibly
so
that
you
could,
because
they're
going
to
change
condition
all
the
time.
Aren't
they,
of
course,
so
just
just
your
thoughts
on
how
you
wanted
to
report
that-
and
I
was
hoping
that
will
come
in
the
plan.
So
thank
you.
D
Thank
you
just
to
follow
up
on
that
discussion
about
probability
I'll,
just
remind
council
that
about
three
or
maybe
four
years
ago,
a
low
load
to
hit
the
hit
the
bridge
carrying
the
water
pipe
from
lock
catching
to
glasgow
and
close
the
road
for
a
long
period
of
time,
and
I
think
legal
action
was
being
taken
against
either
the
operator
or
the
truck
driver.
So
there
is
precedent.
I
have
no
idea
how
that
case
has
progressed
but
has
progressed,
but
clearly,
in
that
case
it
was.
It
was
clear
causality
of
that.
T
Thank
you
promised,
I
think,
engaging
with
our
colleagues
in
police.
Scotland
is
important
because,
although
we'll
not
be
able
to
prove
it,
I
think
a
conversation
between
police,
scotland
and
perhaps
the
hollywood
contractor
involved
would
be
helpful.
It's
also
part
of
the
scotland's
role
to
gather
evidence
not
just
be
presented
with
evidence,
so
it's
it's
worth
following
through
it's
also
about
following
through,
I
think
our
council
officers
contacting
hollywood
etc.
To
say
this
is
what
we've
noticed
so
please
be
aware
of
it.
T
Q
Yeah
thanks
robinson,
I'm
glad
graham
said
that,
because
this
is
important
to
keep
perspective
on
these
things.
It's
you
know.
Your
eyes
are
always
fixed
on
the
ones
with
the
lowest
score,
and
you
know
trying
to
kind
of
create
a
little
league
table
in
your
hat
in
your
head
and
and
it's
it's
not
I
I
mean
it's
useful,
but
it's
I
I
don't
know
how
helpful
that
is
to
do
that.
The
the
this
assessment
is
is
really
useful.
Q
I'm
really
glad
it's
come
forward,
because
I
think
the
question
I
asked
earlier
on
the
resulting
conversation
around
about
the
the
sort
of
overall
asset
management
plans
that
have
to
inform
our
capital
program
have
to
take
into
account
our
bridge
bridge
infrastructure,
our
road
infrastructure,
our
pavement
infrastructure,
also
our
school
infrastructure,
our
library
infrastructure,
our
health
care
instructor.
All
of
these
things
have
to
be
kind
of
compared
and
balanced
up,
and
it
was
interesting
because
when,
when
richard
talked
about
how
we
value
our
assets,
I
the
the
first
thing
that
jumps
into
my
head.
Q
There
was
yeah.
There
is
a
financial
value
to
these
things
in
terms
of
what
the
rebuild
cost
is,
but
there's
also.
How
much
do
we
value
these
assets
in
the
context
of
how
much
use
is
given
of
them?
How
much?
How?
How
how
many
factors
do
we
have
to
consider
about
how
what
value
we
as
a
council-
and
we
are
startling
place
on
each
of
these
individual
bits
of
infrastructure,
whether
it
be
a
road,
a
bridge,
a
school,
a
library
whatever
it
might
be,
and
that
that
should
help
us
inform
our
capital
program?
Q
So
I
I'm
really
glad
this
has
come
forward.
I
I
I'd
really
like
to
understand-
and
I
suppose
this
is
probably
something
which
is
probably
going
to
require
a
conversation,
financial
economy
committee-
how
we
get
more
of
these
kind
of
asset
management
plans
through,
so
that
we
can
understand
the
entire
picture
of
what
assets
and
infrastructure
looks
within
the
council,
which
will
hopefully
allow
us
to
make
better
and
more
informed
capital
decisions
into
the
future.
A
K
A
K
Thank
you.
It
was
just
the
on
page.
Seven,
the
the
scottish
government,
local
bridge
maintenance
fund,
is
talked
about
in
some
detail
and
the
number
of
applications
that
were
made
and
the
amount
of
the
value
and
obviously
what
we
put
in
and
due
to
the
over
being
oversubscribed
what
we
were
allocated,
which
is
welcome,
but
but
nowhere
near
what
we
put
in
for
it
was
just.
It
was
a
comment
around,
obviously
that
that
32
million
pound
fund
was
put
in.