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10:38 - Meeting Start (Protocol, Apologies and Substitutions and Declarations of Interest, Minutes)
12:23 - Item 4
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Restricted
to
and
the
number
of
questions
or
the
length
of
time
they've
to
speak
or
anything
they
can
speak
as
long
as
they
need
to
and
ask
as
many
questions
as
they
need
to.
Can
I
ask
that
officers
give
their
role
and
their
name
and
for
their
recording
as
well.
Please,
and
so.
First
of
all,
we'll
do
the
vocal.
E
F
A
C
C
C
G
Thank
you,
brian
and
interim
head
of
education
and
independent
lead
officer
for
the
panel.
So
the
report
just
provides
for
the
panel
a
bit
of
a
summary
of
the
planned
activity
for
today
with
recommendations
to
note
the
information
provided
on
streamlined
directions
and
sends
to
blades
agree
plans
for
further
consultations
with
a
housing,
advisory
group
and
degree
next
steps
for
the
panel,
including
agenda
items
for
the
next
extrusivity
panel
on
the
2nd
of
february
and
the
beginnings
of
development
of
our
report
to
sterling
council.
For
the
meeting
of
the
third
of
march.
C
H
I
don't
think
we've
agreed
an
end
date
for
that
and
we
just
have
to
take
a
nice
sense
of
the
fact
that
the
you
know
the
final
report
would
need
to
be
informed
by
the
the
survey.
So
I
think
we'd
be
looking
at
sort
of
mid
february
for
the
final
date.
So
we
just
need
to
get
some
clarification
about
reporting
time
scales
for
the
council
meeting
on
the
third
of
march.
I
I
just
wanted
to
know
about
the
press
information.
Will
the
press
information
talk
about
this
panel
and
the
white
and
the
reason
why
it
was
okay
set
up,
because
clearly,
this
document
to
engage
stilling
needs
to
have
a
background,
so
I
just
wanted
to
know
what
the
background
what
was
going
to
be
said
about
the
reason
that
okay,
the
panel,
is
actually
set
up.
Thank
you.
H
In
terms
of
the
I
mean,
I've
had
a
brief
glance
at
the
the
draft
press
release.
That's
been
worked
up,
it's
something
that
we
could
share
with
panel
and
it's
it's
relatively
short,
but
I
suppose
it's
trying
to
grab
people's
attention
it's
supposed
to
go
into
a
great
amount
of
detail,
but
there
could
be
some
additional
context
to
as
to
why
we're
asking
for
the
information
and
they're
the
reason
of
the
establishment
of
this
panel.
So
we
could
potentially
add
an
additional
paragraph
work,
something
up
there
and
potentially
pass
that
on
mark's.
H
G
Just
quickly
to
say,
it
does
briefly
indicate
that
the
reason
for
the
survey
is
because
there
is
a
panel
with
a
focus
on
these
issues
wanting
to
make
and
changes
and
improvements
to
this
area
of
work.
So
that
is
briefly
stated,
and
there
will
be,
as
stephen
has
said,
the
chance
to
to
review
and
sign
off
the
press,
release
and
suggest
any
additions.
J
Thank
you,
chair,
charlie
haggerty,
legal
manager.
Upon
me,
a
streamlined
eviction
is
an
eviction
procedure
which
has
allowed
in
circumstances
where
there
has
been
a
relevant
criminal
offence
connected
to
the
tenancy.
So
an
example
would
be
where
somebody
is
dealing.
Drugs
would
be
probably
the
most
pertinent
example
from
the
tenancy
in
which
affects,
obviously
the
neighbors
and,
in
those
circumstances,
registered
social
landlords
are
allowed
to
take
a
court
action
which
treats
that
conviction
as
effectively
a
breach
of
the
tenancy.
J
J
H
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
the
service
would
be
open
to
having
a
policy
on
streamlined
evictions.
It
might
be
a
policy
that
would
encompass
our
approach
to
evictions
in
general.
It's
something
that
we
were
made
aware
of
in
terms
of
streamlined
evictions
in
the
middle
of
last
year,
but
it's
not
something.
That's
has
gone
to
a
policy
which
doesn't
mean
that
we
wouldn't
undertake
a
streamlined
evictions
without
having
a
policy
on
it,
but
it
would
probably
be.
I
could
certainly
see
the
benefits
of
it
for
both
staff,
tenants
and
elected
members.
J
F
Yeah
thanks
lauren
yeah.
I'm
pleased
to
hear
the
officers
are
going
to
be
supportive
of
it
because
I
think
there's
some
of
the
fine.
If
you're
going
to
report
to
council
on
this,
I
think
the
whole
thrust
of
this.
The
reason
for
setting
up
the
scrutiny
panel
and
you
and
I
morning
have
been
doing
joint
case
work
with
your
case
and
bannon
and,
and
I
really
do
think
that
we
need
a
policy-
an
oak
tree,
housing
association,
I'll
have
here
in
the
papers.
I
see
homes
for
life.
F
I've
got
one
and
it's
very,
very
clear,
and
in
the
case
lord
or
the
case
president
charlie's
put
in
that
paper
as
well,
I
thought
was
very
helpful
as
well
to
be
honest,
because
my
understanding,
as
somebody
as
I
said
previously,
sat
in
the
sheriff
court
and
listened
to
hearings
on
if
we
get
the
process
wrong,
the
sheriff's
just
going
to
refuse
the
decree.
So
I
think
it
has
us
have
a
clear
policy
on
it
that
our
officials,
you
know
instigate
and
implement
I'll,
make
it
far
more
simpler.
F
C
Thank
you.
I
I
do
agree
that
with
the
what
kinds
of
person
this
just
says
and
I'm
pleased
that
the
the
officers
are
going
to
consider
implementing
this
policy,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
the
homes
for
life
and
the
oak
tree
housing.
Examples
that
are
given
are
these
robust
policies
and
would
they
be
challengeable
in
court?
If
sterling
council
was
to
implement
a
similar
policy.
J
I'll
take
that
one
again
and
sure
yes,
the
they
are
robust
policies,
because
what
they
effectively
do
is
they
put
into
into
the
into
the
localized
context.
The
scottish
government
guidance
on
how
you
undertake
an
eviction,
a
a
streamlined
direction,
so
we
would
be
looking
to
do
something
which
would
be
roughly
similar
to
that
you
can
never
rule
out
challenges.
J
You
know
the
thing
is
about
policy
is
that
it
is
a
different
beast
to
the
action
of
eviction,
and
so
the
type
of
challenge
that
you
would
face
for
not
having
an
unlawful
policy
is
different
from
the
type
of
challenge
you
would
face
during
the
defense
and
eviction
process.
It's
much
more
difficult
to
challenge
a
policy
is
probably
the
easiest
way
to
say
it.
So
if
we
get
it
right,
it
tends
to
be
quite
robust.
I
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
I'm
slightly
interested
in
if
it's
not
the
tenant,
who
is
the
person
who's
engaging
in
an
activity
leading
to
eviction,
but
a
person,
who's
visited
the
property,
and
I
have
a
question
about
the
lease
that
people
get.
Is
there
in
a
lease,
a
clause
which
says
to
the
tenant,
in
the
case
of
the
council
house
or
other
houses
that
this
particular
thing
council
lease
that
talks
about
other
people,
visiting
the
property
and
their
responsibility
as
that?
Okay,
the
tenant,
because
a
defense
could
be
that.
I
I
didn't
know
this
person
was
activity
and
get
involved
in
this
activity.
So
is
there
something
that,
in
the
case
of
going
to
an
eviction,
go
back
to
show
that
there's
evidence
within
the
lease
to
say
this
is
okay
prohibited
not
just
for
the
tenant,
but
a
person
who
wants
to
visit
or
is
relation
over
whatever
the
connection
actually
happens
to
be.
J
J
So
it
acknowledges
the
key
if
you
can
show
that
there's
an
understanding
that
the
tenant
knows
what's
going
on
and
condones
or
allows
it
to
happen.
And
that's
one
thing
I
think
if
you
if
the
tenant
can
successfully
say
well,
I
had
no
clue,
then
that's
another,
and
I
know
that
I
think
we
do
possibly
have
a
local
example
of
something
like
that,
and
I
don't
want
to
go
into
to
name
names
or
to
discuss
that
in
too
much
details
here,
because
probably
does
probably
prevent
us
from
doing
that.
C
C
It
specifically
mentions
cases
where
there's
someone
being
convicted
of
domestic
abuse,
and
then
they
discuss
how
the
family
could
be
evicted
because
of
the
person
who's
been
abusing
them.
Now
that
really
does
consi.
It
concerns
me
that
this
legislation
could
be
used
in
that
way
and
what
circumstances
would
sterling
council
not
evict?
Somebody
where
a
family
member
or
a
tenant
has
been
convicted
of
a
criminal
offence,
because
I
wouldn't
want
a
family
to
be
evicted
who
has
already
been
subjected
to
domestic
abuse?
H
F
Yeah
thanks
chair
yeah,
I
think
the
mcdonald's
probably
for
charlie
here,
it's
great
it'd,
be
good
to
have
a
policy
right.
I
would
like
to
know
how
we
interact
with
the
police,
because,
ultimately,
our
housing
officers
can
only
take
you
know,
complaints
from
elected
members
and
local
residents
about
the
allegations
offer,
but
you
know
once
I
suppose,
if
somebody's
been
given
a
conviction,
the
you
know
that
that's
done
that
and
that
triggers
the
this
policy
is
that
the
process
charlie
them
you
know.
F
So
if
a
tenant
goes
to
court,
I
just
need
to
get
my
head
around
the
process
here.
There's
a
complaint:
the
goatee
court
was
a
conviction.
How
did
how
did
the
housing
service
interact
with
the
judiciary
or
the
police
in
that
matter?
For
evidence
garden?
You
know
explaining
me
a
bit
to
me
how
the
process
would
work
in
that.
J
H
B
Thanks
chair
thanks
for
the
question
councillor
macpherson,
yes,
we
have
very
strong
operational
links
with
the
police
at
a
number
of
levels,
so
we're
developing
at
an
officer
level,
so
community
police
officer
to
asb
investigation
officer
and
housing
officer
that
piece
of
work
is
ongoing.
At
the
moment.
B
I
have
very
good
links
with
the
area
command
team,
both
on
a
multi-agency
level,
so
there's
a
regular
multi-agency
meeting
which
occurs
with
partners
where
individual
cases
are
discussed
in
terms
of
information
sharing.
The
council
has
an
information
sharing
process
and
a
protocol
in
place
with
police
scotland,
which
allows
us
to
get
this
information
in
a
timely
manner.
B
There's
also
a
piece
of
work
on
going
directly
with
scottish
court
tribunal
service
at
the
moment
around
how
the
council
can
access
information
about
ongoing
cases
with
various
constraints
in
place,
such
as
delays
due
to
covert
and
the
backlog
of
criminal
cases
at
the
moment,
but
that's
also
a
piece
of
work
that
we're
investigating.
At
the
moment.
The
police
are
very
good
at
sharing
information
with
us
when
they
get
that
we
have
a
very
good
process
of
sharing
intelligence
and
information
with
the
police.
B
C
F
So
danny
you're,
confident
then,
if
there
is
a
successful
conviction,
somebody's
imprisoned
and
and
the
current
set
up,
how
quickly
are
our
housing
officers
told
about
and
how
of
how
quickly
could
they
instigate
eviction
or
or
terminating
the
tenancy,
because,
if
we're
going
to
imprison
them
in
prison
but
that
the
grey
areas
are
for
putting
remand
so
that
this
is
so
there's
a
lot
of
degree?
Isn't
there,
you
know.
B
B
When
we're
told
about
the
information
again,
there's
a
regular
meeting
with
legal
services
where
we
pick
up
these
cases
that
we
know
are
coming
forwards
and
then
also
discuss
cases
where
we've
had
information.
That's
come
through
and
again
it
just
then
depends
on
the
evidence
that
we
have
and
then
when
we
can
get
an
available
time
with
the
court,
and
that
is
very
much
dependent
on
the
court
diary.
E
Yeah
just
to
kind
of
comment,
but
if
people
want
to
kind
of
want
to
come
in
and
discuss
it,
so
I
think
I
think,
when
I
seen
the
scottish
government
guidance
I
was
I
was
a
bit
skeptical
before
I
read
it,
that
it
was
going
to
probably
be
a
bit
woolly
and
not
very
committal,
and
when
I
read
it
I
actually
got
the
opposite
impression
from
it
and
actually
in
the
first
I
think
something
was
raised
there
about.
Should
people
you
know
lose
their
home
because
of
the
actions
of
their
dependents.
E
It
says
very
clearly
and
the
guidance
that
as
the
tenant,
you
are
responsible
for
the
behavior
and
actions
of
anybody
inside
your
property.
So
there's
I
thought
I
think
with
this.
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
should
embrace.
I
I
I've.
Having
read
the
guidance,
I
can't
see
anything
obvious,
which
I
think
would
should
dissuade
us
from
from
from
having
a
policy
on
this,
and
one
of
the
things
I
would
say
is
that
I,
I
don't
believe
me
personally
us
having
a
process
or
something
to
streamline
the
eviction
of
someone
committing
crimes.
It's
not.
E
I
don't
view
as
a
deterrent
to
the
people
I
think
they're
going
to
commit
crimes
regardless.
For
me,
this
is
about
reassuring
neighbors
that
actually
and
the
victims
of
these
crimes
that
actually
it's
regardless
of
whether
the
person
is
put
off
committing
the
crimes.
The
council
will
take
action
to
remove
these
people
from
from
for
your
own
protection
and
that
that's
the
kind
of
big
thing
for
myself
here
is
that
you
know
I'm
all
about
making
sure
it's
the
victims
of
this
and
the
kind
of
people
who
pay
the
taxes
love
law-abiding
citizens.
E
They
understand
that
we
are
following
the
guidance
and
we're
not
going
to
allow
someone
to
basically
disrupt
the
system
on
technicalities
to
try
and
stop
them
from
being
evicted
effectively
that
we
that
we
will
not
rest
effectively
until
these
people
who
ruin.
Let's,
let's
see
what
happens,
ruin
the
lives
of
their
neighbors
and
are
evicted
from
their
homes.
So
I
think
we
should
embrace
the
guidance
and
anything
we
can
do
to
make
the
process
more
streamlined.
I
completely
support.
C
E
D
H
H
I
wouldn't
say
that
it's
a
blanket
approach
in
every
circumstance,
but
that's
a
an
example
I'm
giving
you
there
and
that
would
I
would
say
that
is
to
my
understanding
with
the
way
the
majority
of
cases
would
go.
Daniel
may
have
or
charlie
might
have
a
different
view
or
might
be
able
to
provide
from
further
examples,
potentially.
H
Into
in
terms
of
they've
made
themselves
yeah,
we
don't
have
a
duty
to
house
homeless
households
if
they've
made
themselves
intentionally
in
home
homelessness
in
some
way
and
in
in
this
sort
of
case.
If
somebody's
not
heeded
warnings
about
evictions-
or
you
know
a
risk
of
eviction
or
not
amended
their
behaviors,
they
could
make
themselves
intentionally
homeless
and
we
wouldn't
then
judge
ourselves
of
having
a
duty
to
provide
accommodation
to
that
household
so
that
I'm
not
going
to
say
that
happens
in
every
occasion.
H
I'm
not
sure
I'd
have
to
I'd
have
to
get
some
clarification.
I'd,
I'm
aware
of
there's
a
couple
of
cases
that
I'm
aware
of
that.
That
has
been
the
approach
we've
taken
and
it
might
be
that
we
provide
assistance
for
them
to
find
something
like
a
private.
Let
in
order
that
they're
not
you
know
that
they're
not
in
a
a
position
where
they're
rough
sleeping
or
anything
like
that.
So
certainly
that's
something
we
definitely
want
to
avoid.
H
It's
really
dependent
on
the
on
the
basis
of
the
case.
I
I
don't
know
you
know,
because,
because
with
us
not
having
a
policy
at
the
moment
doesn't
mean
that
we
wouldn't
undertake
a
streamlined
eviction,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
whether
there'd
definitely
be
more
evictions.
As
a
result
of
this,
I'm
not
sure
if
charlie,
if
you
want
to
give
a
view
on
that.
J
We
have
spoken
to
a
number
of
our
other
colleagues
and
other
authorities,
and
we've
been
told
that
there's
only
been
a
handful
in
each
authority
of
these.
If
any,
you
know,
and
by
a
handful,
I'm
talking
about
you
know
no
more
than
five
in
each
authority
and
since
2019
normally,
you
would
have
expected
that
to
be
many
more
than
that
given.
D
F
Yeah
thanks
cheer
yeah
about
I'll,
be
quite
honest
with
you.
I
sincerely
hope
there
are
more
evictions
for
it,
because
we
should
never
underestimate
how
drunk
dealing
from
tenancies
blights
communities
that
completely
destroys
communities
and
the
frustration
as
as
councillor
flanagan
said
that
you
know
that
law-abiding
citizens
suffer
as
just
horrendous.
So
no
I
I
I
thought
we
can
have
a
polish
in
place
as
soon
as
practically
possible
for
us,
I
think
the
and
we
shouldn't
just
focus
on
drug
dealing
here.
I'm
looking
at
the
examples
of
behavior.
F
Oak
charlemagne
association
we've
got
all
the
same
breaches
of
anti-social,
behavior,
others
and
one
that
really
jumps
it
to
me
is
the
threatening
and
abuse
of
behavior,
which
can
be
really
really
profound
for
people.
So
I
think
important.
We
just
don't
focus
on
drug
dealing
here.
You
know
because
there
are
other
elements
of
social
behavior
that
really
need.
You
know
this
this
policy
and
and
in
relation
to
what
charlie
says
there:
yeah
you're,
probably
charlie,
that
covered
and
and
the
way
the
court
system
working.
F
I
probably
skewed
things,
but
you
know
there's
a
government
guidance
here
now
and
I
suspect
other
local
authorities
haven't.
You
know
followed
through
the
games,
your
policy.
I
might
be
wrong
in
saying
that,
but
that
that
would
be
my
suspicion
here,
but
let's
leap
for
the
front
of
a
policy:
zero
tolerance
where
possible
and
to
try
and
improve
people's
lives,
because
that's
what
you're
elected
to
do.
J
J
North
and
shore,
don't
have
a
written
policy
just
now.
South
last
year
are
revising
their
asp
policy
to
include
the
use
of
streamlined
eviction
procedures,
and
I
don't
think
we
have
that
information
for
anyone
else.
So
from
those
who
have
come
back
to
two
out
of
three
are
either
have
or
are
in
the
process
of
introducing
something,
as
that
we
are
discussing
today,.
I
Okay,
thank
you
going
back
to
council
and
professionals.
It
must
be
continued,
anti-social,
behavior
and
I
kind
of
feel
also
when
we
do
these
kind
of
documents.
It's
the
information
from
the
neighbors
about
what
the
process
is,
because
I
think
often
when
we
get
complaints
from
neighbors,
we
go
back
to
them.
They
get
extremely
frustrated
about
the
length
of
time.
So
it's
also
not
just
about
process.
It's
about
the
length
of
the
time
now.
Clearly,
you
need
to
have
due
process,
but
can
that
be
explained?
I
You
agree
to
this.
Okay,
I'm
in
very
much
in
a
favor
that
we
do
that
we
have
a
timeline,
because
I
think
that's
the
biggest
frustration
that
I've
come
back
with.
The
cases
that
have
come
to
me
is,
it
just
seems
to
drag
on
and
on
and
on
so
where's
the
timeline.
So
any
policy
we
put
in
place
cancel
it
must
have,
but
a
timeline
that
people
can
understand.
J
J
So
if
we
are
going
to
be
using
these
more
often,
then
it
would
be
hoped
that
they
would
be
speedier
because
of
that.
So
all
you're
left
with
is
the
decision
to
take
to
to
to
check
that
or
to
review
the
behavior
the
conviction
against
the
guidelines
to
see
you
know
to
go
through
that
process
to
ascertain
whether
it's
proportionate
to
conduct
the
eviction
or
to
go
for
the
eviction
in
court.
C
I
The
question
I
have,
then,
is
going
back
to
council,
but
first-
and
this
says
this-
if
it's
just
conviction
we're
talking
about
one
of
the
biggest
things-
is
continued
persistent
anti-social
behavior,
which
may
not
lead
to
a
conviction
because
of
the
evidence
to
do
that.
So
are
we
thou
saying
that
speed?
This
type
of
eviction
can
only
be
used
for
convictions.
J
Yes,
okay,
so
that's
correct
has
to
be
a
conviction
around
the
tendency
associated
with
you
know,
out
of
a
relevant
nature.
So,
yes,
it
has
to
be
if
there
would
have
to
be
the
the
normal
procedure
for
other
types
of
behaviors,
and
maybe
dan
can
can
enlighten
you
and
a
bit
more
and
what
those
would
be
and
what
the
procedure
would
be
around.
That.
F
C
C
No,
you
didn't
put
your
hand
up.
Oh
I'll
I'll,
let
you
speak
in
a
minute.
Sorry.
I
just
wanted
to
also
emphasize
that
this
wouldn't
replace
the
antisocial,
behavior
and
policies
that
that
are
and
just
now
the
officers
we
would
still
expect
officers
to
deal
with
persistent
anti-social
behavior
and
to
engage
with
tenants
and
those
experiencing
the
anti-social
behavior
as
well.
C
F
Yeah
thanks
for
that
yeah,
I
think
it's
an
important
point,
a
convictions,
not
enough
here.
In
my
view,
this
policy
only
kicks
in
if
there's
a
if
it's
punished
by
a
prison
sentence.
So
it's
not
a
conviction.
Doesn't
it
work?
That's
not
suffice.
It's
got
to
be
a
prison
sentence
attached
to
it
where
we
can
clarify
that
that
our
charter-
that's
my
understanding,
so
we
need
to
be
careful
in
the
words
we
use
here.
You
know.
J
B
Thanks
jen
charlie,
I'm
not
going
to
say
it.
I
know
off
by
heart
my
recollection
of
it
is
it's
a
serious
criminal
offence
that
leads
to,
but
that
could
lead
to
prison
a
prison
sentence.
That's
my
understanding,
charlie
or
I
will
be
able
to
divert
on
that.
But
it's
my
understanding
is
it's
a
serious
criminal
offence
that
could
result
in
a
prison
sentence
being
imposed
and
that's
my
understanding.
I've
just
wanted
to
possibly
come
back
on
councillor
tolmak's
point
from
earlier.
B
You
so
counsellor,
yes
in
relation
to
persistent
behavior
that
isn't
or
doesn't
result
in
a
criminal
offence.
Yes,
we
still
have
a
process
for
that.
We
still
have
the
ability
to
follow
the
discretionary
ground
under
the
anti-social,
behavior
act
2004,
which
allows
us
to
take
action.
What
I
would
say
is
all
of
our
action
has
to
be
reasonable
and
proportionate,
so
we
always
keep
in
contact
with
our
complainers
and
explain
to
them
what
action
we're
taking
as
much
as
we
can,
what
we
don't
do.
B
They
will
explain
what
our
options
are
moving
forwards,
but
they
won't
necessarily
on
day
one,
for
example,
talk
about
evicting
somebody,
because
that
is
something
that
is
quite
far
down
the
process
potentially
depending
on
what's
going
on,
but
we
always
try
and
provide
that
contact
back
to
the
complainer
to
say
right.
You've
said
this:
we've
gone
and
done
this,
so
we've
been
out.
B
We've
spoken
to
you
now,
but
we've
issued
them
with
a
warning,
for
example,
so
we
are
giving
people
more
information
than
we
have
them
before,
but
we
are
conscious
that
we
don't
want
to
give
everybody
every
step
that
we
could
do
or
every
action
that
could
occur
because
quite
often
people
then
fixate
on
one
particular
action,
and
it
makes
it
then
very
difficult
for
us
to
then
have
that
conversation
that
says.
I'm
sorry
in
this
case
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
take
that
action
at
this
point
in
time.
B
We
also
at
the
point
of
needing
to
go
to
court
or
potentially
going
to
court,
have
to
be
able
to
demonstrate
that
our
approach
has
been
reasonable
and
proportionate
and
it
has
to
be
staggered
and
escalated.
So
again,
we
would
come
under
quite
a
lot
of
criticism
from
the
court
if
we
had
gone
out
and
immediately
applied
for
eviction
where
there
was
no
criminal
involvement
or
conviction
of
the
back
of
that,
without
going
through
a
process,
I.e
warnings.
B
Now
it's
very
difficult
for
me
to
context,
and
I've
been
asked
the
question
by
various
members
before
how
many
warnings
does
somebody
get
before
will
will
take
court
action
that
varies
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
I
am
really
clear
with
the
team,
though,
that
what
we
shouldn't
be
doing
is
issuing
seven
final
warnings,
for
example,
because
that
isn't
that
that
that
is
in
proportion
and
it
detracts
from
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
with
the
team
at
the
moment,
they've
undergone
quite
a
lot
of
training.
B
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
assistant,
for
what
dan
had
said.
It's
an
offense
punishable
by
imprisonment,
committee
dinner
in
the
locality
of
the
house,
but
what
that
doesn't
mean
is
that
there
has
to
be
a
con,
a
custodial
sentence
imposed.
All
that
has
to
be
is
that
the
offence
itself
could
potentially
lead
to
a
prison
sentence,
so
there
could
be
a
lesser
disposal,
but
it's
still
a
relevant
offense.
F
Yeah,
that's
the
kind
of
crux
of
the
matter
for
me
here,
I'm
looking
at
page
40
on
the
report
at
2.1
here
that
it
says
here
there
has
been
a
conviction
for
an
offence
punishment
by
imprisonment.
So
now
what
charlie
is
saying
there?
That's
not
necessarily
the
case
that
that's
not
my
reasoning,
charlie.
So
I
think
this
is
a
real
reason.
What
matter
you
know
I
just
what's
what's
the
trigger
here?
Is
it.
F
This
is
obviously
going
to
have
to
go
through
the
committee
process
and
I
just
wonder
whether
or
not
the
public
safety
committee
is
going
to
have
a
role
in
this
as
well,
because
obviously
the
the
police
sit
in
that
as
well-
and
you
know
I
know
charlie
had
said
that
lauren
that
obviously
there's
obviously
information
sharing
and
meetings
with
the
police,
but
I
think
the
public
safety
come
out
here
as
a
role
in
overseeing
this
and
scrutinizing.
This
policy
do
chair.
C
F
The
government
said
this
is
really
important
somebody
you
know
I've
been
counseling
for
15
years.
I
know
the
process
here.
You
know
my
understanding
that
the
government
say
the
things
I
need
to
get
my
head
around.
This
is
that
this
is
going
to
hag
anyway,
so
you
know-
and
you
know
you
know-
the
report
comes
from
this
panel
to
the
whole
council,
at
which
point
the
starring
tenants
assembly
who
have
representatives
on
high.
I
just
I
don't
know
that
I'll
interrupt.
F
H
Yeah
I'd
made
a
suggestion
via
email
a
few
days
ago
in
relation
to
this,
because
it
is
part
of
the
motion
that
hag
are
involved
in
the
work
of
this
group.
I
think
what
I'd
be
suggesting
is
that
we
facilitate
a
meeting
just
with
the
tenant
members
of
hagg
and
hagg
is
a
a
member
elected
member
and
tenants
group,
but
obviously
there's
different
elected
members
sitting
on
the
hag
then
sit
on
panel.
H
So
it
makes
it
complicated
to
try
and
involve
those
elected
members
too,
but
we
could
focus
it
specifically
on
the
tenants
that
attend
hagg
and
all
of
whom
are
members
of
the
sterling
tenants
assembly
and
basically,
we
could
provide
them
with
an
overview
of
what's
been
discussed
at
this
group.
Talk
to
them
about
streamlined
evictions,
talk
to
them
about
sensitive
lettings
policies
and
other
changes
to
the
allocation
policy.
H
We
could
facilitate
discussion
potentially
involving
the
independent
tenant
participation
officer
and
then
provide
a
short
briefing
back
to
back
to
this
group
in
terms
of
their
views
about
the
things
that
we've
been
discussing
at
this
meeting.
So
I
I
will
I
I
would
suggest
that.
Maybe
this
is
the.
What
the
way
we
want
to
do
it
and
I'm
happy
to
take
on
a
board.
You
know
a
board
views
of
the
panel.
C
C
J
Yeah,
thank
you,
chad.
I
suppose
it's
just
to
wrap
up
this.
This
part
of
the
the
discussion
just
to
be
clear
what
it
is
you're
asking
officers
to
do
for
the
for
for
the
next
either
for
the
next
meeting
when,
when
that
we
have
or
for
for
bryony,
when
she's
she's
writing
the
report,
are
you
wanting
in
relation
to
streamlines?
Are
we
going
to
wait
until
we
speak
to
hack
to
get
their
views
on
streamlined?
J
C
K
C
That's
that's
my
understanding.
I'm
sure
somebody
will
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong
so
we'll
move
on
now
to
the
allocations
policy.
This
set
sensitive.
Let's
I
think
stephen
mccabe
is
on
the
call.
Just
now
is
stephen
on
the
call,
and
he
can
speak
to
the
paper,
the
appendix
too
that
he's
submitted.
Thank
you.
L
And
essentially
that
involves
giving
consideration
to
the
suitability
of
the
person
at
the
top
of
the
list
and
when
we
are
letting
a
property
based
on
the
information
that
we
know
about
that
applicant.
The
property
that
we
are
letting
and
also
the
surrounding
area,
and
it
should
and
sensitively,
should
only
be
used
for
individual
properties
rather
than
being
a
blanket
approach
to
latins.
Because
we
do
have
the
allocations
policy,
which
is
our
approach
to
latin
council
properties.
L
But
we
can
have
a
sensitive
latins,
a
policy
as
long
as
there
are
clear
reasons
and
processes
that
we
set
out.
That
should
be
followed,
and
at
section
2.4
of
the
appendix
there
are
some
examples
of
sensitive
lens
from
other
social
landlords
across
scotland
that
we've
input
in
there
to
give
you
an
indication
of
how
this
might
look
in
an
allocations
policy.
L
The
one
thing
to
note
with
sensitive
latins
is
that
they're
generally
used
in
exceptional
circumstances,
and
there
are
kind
of
clear
boundaries
as
to
when
we
might
use
a
sensitive
latin
process
and
most
of
the
examples
there.
They
do
talk
about
anti-social,
behavior
and,
and
they
they
talk
about
using
a
sensitive
lens
process
when
the
previous
tenant
of
a
property
has
been
responsible
for
any
social
behavior
or
the
person
at
the
top
of
the
list
has
previously
been
responsible
for
any
social
behavior.
L
One
is
to
introduce
harassment,
points
into
the
houston
allocations,
policy
and
and
the
the
second
way
of
doing
that
is
for
more
serious
cases.
I
know
that
in
the
previous
meetings
we've
said
that
we
could
prioritize
serious
cases
through
the
strategic
group,
but
we
could
put
a
section
in
there
to
explicitly
say
that
that
is
what
we
would
consider,
rather
than
doing
it
through
an
exceptional
circumstances.
Clause
as
well.
C
No
problem,
stephen
thank
thank
you
very
much.
I
do
agree
that
there
should
be
points
allocated
to
people
who
have
experienced
anti-social,
behavior
and
who
want
to
move
and
property.
I
do.
I
do
agree
that
that
should
be
a
really
good
and
like
that
to
be
discussed
at
hag
as
well
in
the
in
the
meeting.
C
That
stephen
is,
is
going
to
organize
for
us
and
also
agree
that
that
the
and
there
should
be
a
sensitive,
let's
policy
in
place,
but
I
do
think
that
there
needs
to
be
and
strict
criteria,
but
when
that's
in
place,
I
noticed
that
link
housing
has
set
up
some
quite
strict
criteria
there
enough.
I
think
that
something
suitable
like
that
would
be
good
good
for
stirling
council
to
have.
L
Yes,
there
is
so
the
scottish
government
have
produced
a
document
that
is
a
guidance
on
social
housing
allocations
in
scotland.
So
there
is
a
section
within
that
that
gives
guidance
on
sensitive
letters
and
how
it
should
be
used
in
the
allocations
policy,
and
I
think
there
may
be
a
link
within
the
document
to
that
guidance
paper.
F
F
That
that's
really
quick.
I
would've
expected
that
to
have
been
part
of
the
appendix
I
know
the
links
here,
but
you
know
the
fact
that's
a
dead
link
is
quite
unhelpful
to
be
honest
with
stephen,
but
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
need
to
see
the
scottish
government
guidance
is
on
it.
To
be
honest
with
you,
you
would
like
to
think
it's
been
through
parliament
and
been
scrutinized
through
the
parliamentary
process.
So
you
know,
if
you
can
do
that,
that
would
be
helpful.
F
Three
elderly
people
long-term
tenants
in
there,
and
then
they
put
a
young
person
at
the
fourth
flat
who
partied
all
night.
It
was
absolute
chaos
and
created
an
enormous
upset
for
the
family.
So
how
do
we
got
that?
One
spectacularly
wrong?
I
do
not
know,
but
you
know
there's
no
point
in
the
reason
individual
cases
here
but
stephen.
It
concerns
me
here
that
you
saying
that
we
could
do
this
in
relation
to
giving
point
points
for
harassment,
for
instance.
Surely
we
should
be
doing
that
anyway,.
F
L
Is
something
that
we
consulted
on
as
part
of
the
allocation
policy
review
in
2019
and
and
at
that
time
the
the
majority
of
respondents
to
the
consultation
agreed?
That
is
something
that
we
should
look
at,
but
in
terms
of
ranking
it
was
one
of
the
the
lower
ranked
priorities
of
respondents
to
that
consultation.
F
Okay,
chair,
I
think
the
last
thing
I'd
say
it
was
in
relation
to
your
comments
about
braiding
points
as
well
again
in
principle.
I
think
that
that's
going
to
be
fraught
with
difficulty.
You
know
I
mean
stephen
mccain
mentioned
clear
boundaries
as
well.
It
was
a
statement
I
made
as
well.
I
do
not
know
how
you're
going
to
award
points
and
what's
the
threshold,
what
what
threshold
has
to
be
met
to
reward
that
I
don't
know
how
that's
going
to
work
in
practice,
and
maybe
stephen
clark
could
maybe
comment
on
that
one.
H
H
Colleagues
in
police,
scotland,
as
well
in
terms
of
where
the
appropriateness
of
applying
points
so
it
is,
it
does
provide
more
difficulties,
but
it
still
feels
like
it's
something
that
we
should
be
doing,
and,
incidentally,
I've
just
clicked
on
the
the
link
there
in
terms
of
the
policy
it's
working
on
my
browser,
so
it
might
just
be
worth
giving
that
a
try
again
councilman
mcpherson
and
just
in
terms
of
sensitive.
Let's,
you
know
that
that
does
make
it
more
difficult
for
letting
officers
to
do
their
jobs
and
shortlist
people.
H
It
will
also
cause
some
complaints,
because
you
could
very
well
have
an
occasion
where
somebody
is
aware
that
they're
first
in
an
area
but
we're
not
going
to
let
them
a
property
because
it
doesn't
it's
not
in
accordance
with
the
sensitive
left
that
we've
got
so
you
know
we
would
likely
get
some
criticism
from
tenants
or
prospective
tenants
in
relation
to
that.
However,
you
know
there
are
advantages
to
having
such
a
policy.
I
think
that
we
might
want
to
deduce
it,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
without
its
pitfalls.
There's
no
doubt
about
it.
C
J
Yes,
thank
you,
chad.
It's
just
just
a
kind
of
a
brief
point
on
on
that.
It
may
be
possible
to
amend
the
allocations
policy
to
say
that
it
has
to
be
read.
Subject
to
the
you
know,
the
subsequent
policy,
so
that
people
are
aware
of
the
fact
that,
because
you're
top
of
that
list
doesn't
mean
automatically
you're
going
to
get
the
you
know
the
next
house,
which
comes
up
because
the
sensitive
allocations
policy
make
him-
and
you
know
just
just
a
comment
on
that.
That's
all.
I
I
Please
can
I
say
if
we
haven't
understand,
we
do
not
include
that,
because
that
puts
a
huge
off
if
that
this
has
a
lot
of
other
clauses.
If
the
officers
are
using
your
clause,
which
is
not
robust,
and
they
can't
evidence
it
without
saying
what
it
is.
I
think
that
would
be
very
dubious,
so
we
need
to
protect
our
staff
when
they're
going
through
a
process
that
they
can
actually
defend
it
and
to
have
a
clause
like
that
sounds
a
bit
on
the
dubious
side.
H
C
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to
raise
them
that
they
on
page
54,
stephen
you've
made
mention
about
probationary
tenancies
and
on
reading
it.
I
did
actually
think
that
that
that
that
sounded,
you
know,
as
as,
if
it
would
be
an
advantage
to
sterling
council
and
to
student
council's
tenants,
if,
if
that
was
something
that
stalin
council
would
be
able
to
implement.
But
then
I
read
at
the
end
of
that.
C
The
scottish
government
did
not
include
probationary
tendencies
in
the
housing
bill
that
was
introduced
to
parliament
and-
and
this
was
following
opposition
by
shelter,
and
I
do
think
that,
because
stalin
council
wasn't
allowed
to
introduce
probationary
tendencies
at
stalin
council's
housing,
they
should
be
allowed
to
implement
probationary
tenancies.
If
that's
what
they
see
fit
for
their
properties.
C
And
I
do
think
that
probationary
tendencies
would
be
an
advantage
to
particularly
first-time
tenants
once
who's
never
run
a
household
before
they
would
not
just
be
able
to
get
assistance
with
how
to
be
a
good
neighbor,
but
support
on
things
like
money,
management
and
and
paying
your
your
bills,
and
things
like
that,
because
a
lot
of
people
who
have
firsting
tenancies
don't
have
any
understanding
of
doing
of
how
to
run
a
household,
heavy
cables.
And
things
like
that.
C
L
So
we
couldn't
have
a
widespread
use
of
those,
as
envisaged
by
the
the
suggestions
that
were
being
made,
and
I
don't
know
if
the
scottish
government
are
planning
on
revisiting
this
or
or
anything
like
that.
But
I
do
think
there
were
certainly
positives.
I
think
shelter
opposed
it
because
they
viewed
it
as
as
a
kind
of
attack
on
tenants
rights,
which
is
one
view
of
it.
But
I
do
think
there
will
certain
advantages
as
well.
H
We
can
certainly
raise
it
as
an
issue,
as
I
say,
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
any
plans
to
review
the
legislation
at
the
moment,
but
we
can
certainly
raise
it
as
as
an
outcome
as
our
recommendation
potentially
from
this
panel.
You
know
to
raise
to
query
whether
this
would
be
reviewed
again.
In
light
of
you
know,
comments
from
other
councils,
etc.
K
C
G
G
That
would
be-
and
really
that's
about
the
discussions
we've
had
today,
both
about
streamlined
evictions
and
sensitive
blades
and
to
get
the
views
of
the
tenants,
particularly
on
that
group,
in
order
to
bring
that
back
to
the
panel
at
the
next
meeting.
So
that
would
be
actions
following
this
meeting.
I'm
not
sure
if
there
was
anything
else
in
particular.