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From YouTube: Special Planning and Regulation Panel - 24-03-2022

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A special meeting of the Planning and Regulation Panel broadcast live on Microsoft Teams.

To view the agenda, follow this link: https://minutes.stirling.gov.uk/PDFs/Planning&Regulation/Agendas/PlanRegAgenda.pdf

Items discussed:

0:00 - Broadcast starts
4:55 - Introduction
5:45 - Attendance
6:11 - Apologies, Substitutions and Declarations of Interest
6:42 - Adjournment (Private Session)
45:45 - Resumption and Attendance
46:07 - Item 4; Erection of a One and a Half Storey Dwellinghouse at Land to East of 85 Balfour Street, Milton, Whins of Milton - Mr & Mrs A Harris - 22/00028/FUL

A

Okay, thanks all right: okay, I'm knowing all the sublimes to read this statement thanks everyone for attending today's meeting, just a brief statement on the protocol that followed you on the remote meeting. Please note: this meeting has been broadcast live on youtube and the recording will made available for probably viewing following the meeting the members please meet their microphones, threatening and not speaking.

A

This is important since it helps the quality of the order for all crime. The microphone should be strong and invited to speak and switched off when you're finished sleeping. Please use the raised hand button to take your wrist.

B

A

And I asked the officer.

B

A

Joining him before sticking for the first time, any members lose connection have any technical issues please as soon as possible. I will now ask the clark, elected members participating.

B

Thanks charges to confirm the members present council of davies. Yes, president against the farmer, president council of houston, pleasant, mcpherson, councilman, mcgill, pleasant and councillor thompson present thanks. That's all members present thanks chip.

A

Okay and the remove the item agenda. Apology, the substitution there.

C

A

Any any declarations of interest, no.

A

A

Okay, thanks for watching.

B

Thanks chair just to confirm the members president, councillor davies: yes, president, instant farmer, president princely houston, president princely macpherson, yeah, councilman, miguel and councillor thompson present, so everyone thanks chip.

A

Okay, thanks for that and we'll resume the meeting on item seven sorry item two here or agenda item four is actually which is direction of one and a half story: development house along the east of 85 balfour street winds of milton and sierra. I think you're not reducing this application.

C

um Yes, thank you, chair I'll, just share my screen to get the presentation.

C

And can everyone see that.

A

C

um So yeah this is for the erection of a one and a half story, dwelling house with some hard and soft landscaping on the site um on land to the east of 85 balfour street and in winds of milton and so the site's located in the countryside, as it is out with the settlement boundary and it's also in the green belt, and it's also within the battle of bannockburn and sucky field. Historic battlefield sites, and so this is the site plan for the proposed property.

C

And you can see this is going to be the dwelling house here and there's some hard standing to the west of the site and there's some hedging here to the front. This is indicative drainage plans here um and this red dotted line. This is um the garage in the house and that was previously refused on the site last year at panel and just going on. This is the floor plans for the property.

C

So this is the ground floor and then the first floor and there'll be three bedrooms in the house and there's an outside raised patio bits here at the rear and then there's a balcony to the front of the house as well.

C

And so these are the elevation drawings for the house.

C

So this is the south elevation, so this will face onto the lane um and be the front elevation of the house see this glazing the balcony here at the front, and this will be the rear with the raised patio area here, and this west elevation will be adjacent to the hard standing on the site, and then this east elevation um will be to the east and face the open, greenland and wooded areas, and the house will be constructed with natural stone and rough cast and this mock timber cladding and have a sleek roof as well, and you can also see here um how the house is landscaped into the topography of the site.

C

It's a bit of an uneven site. So this is to compensate for that.

C

These are some 3d visuals that were supplied by the agent, and this is kind of what they intend for it. To look like on the site.

C

And then these are actually some photographs from the site, so this is taken from the lane and facing east with the site here, on the left hand side. So this is to the north of the lane and this phasorgraph is taken from the site facing north. So this is the rare boundary treatment for the properties on balfour street, and this is a wooden area and then there's open grasslands. Beyond this and again, this is taken from the site facing east. So you can see the wooded areas here and then the lane runs up here.

C

On the right hand, side.

C

Another photograph from the site, so this is facing south and you can see this is some temporary fencing which is around the site at the minute, and this is where the lane runs along here and again. This is the rear boundary treatment for some of the properties on balfour street.

C

um Again, just taken from the site, this is facing west, so this is a row of terrorist properties on balfour street and this is their rear, boundary treatments um and again, this is the wooded area to the east of the site.

C

And this is just to show some of the topography on the site. It slopes quite dramatically along the north s, north eastern edge of the site and there's quite a few trees along here as well, and then. Lastly, this is another view taken from the lane, and this is facing west, and so the application site is up here on the right hand, side again to the north of the site.

C

And that concludes my presentation. Thank you. Okay, thanks for that.

A

Sarah open up now for questions from panel members questions.

A

Principal thompson.

A

D

Mute typical sorry about that uh sarah! Could you put up the the plan again if that's possible, I I'd like to understand where the boundary is and all of the the green, uh the green belt. If you like.

C

um So the green belt boundary runs here um at the back of these houses on balfour street.

D

Right so I think we discussed that and what's different from this application from the previous one. I I can't pick out from the uh the report.

C

um I'll just try and make this a bit bigger, so they've removed the detached garage which was here shown in this red dotted outline.

D

C

And then also this red dotted outline is the outline of the previous house, so they've reduced it in size and they've reduced the hard standing and removed the garage. Okay.

D

Thank you that that's that's helpful right.

A

Okay, any further questions.

A

E

Hi, sir, um can you explain to me the ldp rules that govern this that govern this application on the site? I'm not lost to know what the position is on the ldp and as it affects this application, can you can explain that.

C

um So the site's located in the countryside, so it has to comply with policy 2.10 housing in the countryside, and it's also in the green belt, which is policy 1.5 and the certain criteria which set out um what houses can be allowed in the countryside under the green belt. And this one fails to comply with those policies. I'll just try and find the.

C

E

I'm just trying to get a feel for for whether the ldp takes precedence over the green belt or vice versa.

C

um Well, the green belt part one of the ldp policies.

C

I'm just trying to find the criteria for housing in the countryside and the green belt.

C

So the sites that are in sites for houses in the countryside and in the greenbelt can be supported if it's a single dwelling house for a specific locational purpose, a replacement or renovation of a single house, the conversion or redevelopment of the farm studying or the beneficial reuse of a brownfield site.

C

And it was concluded that this application fails to meet any of these criteria. So it should be refused.

E

So so in that case, just so to be clear on this, so that the ldp considerations do not override the green belt considerations.

C

um No, not in this case does michael might want to pick up on that right. Yeah, you've got your hand up.

F

Yes, thank you chair uh michael mogrow, debt management, team leader, uh counselor uh davies. Yes, the green belt consideration is a key component of the ldp, so in establishing the acceptability of the development regard has to be given to both the house and the countryside policy and the green belt policy.

F

The two have to be read in tandem and in this situation um there are some instances where we can accept housing within the green belt, and but I said I said I um between policy 2.10 and 1.5, and there just isn't any ldp policy support for a house in this location.

A

Okay, thanks for that, thanks for listening.

G

Thank you chair. um Could I ask the officer just uh item three on the recommendations.

G

uh It says it fails to comply with policy 1.1 uh of the local development plan, uh as the developing house is large and intrusive in relation to the site's context, uh from the the the site plan that they showed us, it looks like it's been uh reduced, so quite a bit from the original application that was rejected so still been reduced. Can you just say a little bit about why you think it's still large and intrusive in relation to the site's context,.

C

um Yes, so it has been reduced in size and the hard standing has been reduced. However, I think the context of this site, with the lane being accessed off the lane, the wooded areas and it being in the green belt, the luke, the green space to the north east and west of the site and the house will appear quite intrusive in this nature.

C

It is a house in the countryside and due to the site sight and their scale and design, it will appear quite intrusive in this context and which is maybe better shown from the photographs again, I can share these.

C

So I think it's my opinion having the large house here will appear quite out of place and intrusive in this context,.

A

Thank you, okay. I find that pretty inconsistent and I was going to raise the appointment that king said recently here, because these housing adjacent in baltimore street, but also immediately the bride and those which are five bedroom houses, they're huge. So I have a difficulty agreeing with the recommendation. Three, I don't think is large and inclusive. I think the issue here for me- and I do remember this coming to panel previously council thompson- asked the question: what was the change and I was struggling to get that muscle.

A

I never see it as a scaled down version, but I think the application is based on. They think that it's being built by an anomaly and that this is the kind of bull on to the existing housing that bulper street and you've got roads that separate it. You've got landscape at separating it. So would you not agree that this is it's in the green boat by an anomaly.

C

um No, I think it's designated greenbelt london, that's how it is, and I think to note that with the house being accessed via the lane at the rear, it will be red as a house in the countryside. It won't be red as part of the wider settlement group, which is an important distinction.

A

Okay- and I think again, this was the previous committee. My understanding was historically this planning permission granted for a highest year many years ago, and I know that can appreciate the current ldp.

A

Was there any evidence of that at all? Did you find, during your assessment of that location,.

C

um Now I think the history of the site's been quite clear that it's been would be a refusal for a house in this site and mike might want to pick up on that mike.

F

Sorry, I don't know, thank you chair. um Yes, we do recall at the last panel mean there was that raised, but I believe the application was being referred to was one that was approved back um in the 1980s, which is quite a significant time change from where we are now, we've moved on um with multiple local development plans from them from looking at the site.

F

Yesterday, we have been quite clear um over the last 10 to 15 years that this site is within the in the green belt and the local plan designated um as a green belt. Local development plan in 2014 also was green belt and then currently before the ldp2 in 2018 also continue to um mark this site.

F

As I pretend the green belt, um having looked through the plan in history, there has been a variety of pre-applications over the years as well and where our recommendations at that point were also that a house wouldn't be supported in this location.

A

Okay, thanks for clarifying that mate council houston, you've got your hand up again as a legacy hand: okay, okay, any further questions nope. If there's no further questions, the recommendations are contained in page seven, one: two: three: does anyone can move the recommendation, which is to refuse application thanks assistant.

G

Yes, I'd be happy to move the recommendations as contained in the paper, uh and I do so. I think recognizing that the local development plan may be drifting away from from our current aspirations uh and the way that people live uh and our encouragement of 20 minute communities and the review of country of uh housing, the countryside.

G

But I don't think this is the way to approach it on a piecemeal basis. I think we need actually to review the whole, as we will be doing in the forthcoming administration.

G

uh Look at our local development plan overall uh and what constitutes green belt etc, um and I think that's the appropriate time to look at the whole policy. But the policy exists um right now and I think the the the points put forward by officers about why this is uh not appropriate under current policy legislation is correct and happy to to move those recommendations.

A

Thank you. Okay,.

G

I'll be happy at setting that chip.

A

Okay, I'm gonna suggest that we go against officer recommendation. I've spoken to nate, montgomery about this and I'll give them the reasons for wanting to prove this application.

A

I acknowledge that the site's in the green belt, however, looking at the location of the site and its relationship to the existing housing balcon street on the brighton road, it's my opinion and normally the state sits in the green belt, as stated by the applicant. They do not consider a single house. This location would have a harmful impact on the green belt. The site is bounded by a road and will establish defensible boundaries. So there's no danger to open up the game built to uncontrolled development.

A

Should the panel decide to approve the application from my recommendations to approve I'm looking for a secondary basis for the reasons I've given, and they want to. Second that.

E

Yes, could we have it a second day? Okay, thanks.

A

For that look, um anyone otherwise minded because I thought there's one hand over the clock to carry out the vote. Okay over to you, david.

B

Thanks chair so just to confirm we have the uh motion from councillor houston, second-in-back, pencil farmer, which isn't to move the recommendations which is to refuse the application, and we have the amendment from council landing first and secondly, by council davies uh to approve the application for the reasons um stated by counseling first, so voting. First of all on the amendment from councillor mcpherson, please indicate far against or not voting. Council davies for the amendment, councillor, farmer against council of houston against council macpherson, councillor mcgill again and councillor thompson against okay.

B

So the amendment falls by four votes to two votes and then voting then on the morton to review the application pence davies.

E

B

Council farmer or councillor houston or council macpherson councillor miguel and councillor thompson, four okay and the motion to refuse is carry by four votes to two. Thank you.

A

Okay, thanks for that, I'm gonna join the meeting here, but I'm gonna ask owen to stop the recording and then I want to speak to panel members before we obviously we're gonna reconvene at 11 15.. So owen, could you stop the recording please.

A