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From YouTube: Full Council Meeting 03-03-2022
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A meeting of Stirling Council broadcast live on Microsoft Teams
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motion.
Three
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motion
and
three
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summing
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Also
members
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allowed.
Two
questions.
Each
and
a
follow-up
question
will
count.
As
the
second
question,
I
will
now
hand
over
to
the
clerk
to
take
the
roll
call
of
the
elected
members
present
under
accordingly.
A
C
D
B
D
G
H
J
A
A
K
Thank
you
provost,
and
it
certainly
brings
this
tragedy,
also
real.
When
I
hear
a
constituent
in
canvas
barn
whose
parents
are
a
trapped
in
the
vicinity
of
kiev,
you
know
it
was
only
a
week
a
ago
or
so,
where
we
marked
in
holocaust
the
holocaust
memorial
day
and
the
horrors
of
of
of
that
period
during
the
second
world
war.
K
K
This
sends
a
clear
message
of
solidarity
with
the
ukrainian
people.
During
these
dark
days,
I
intend
to
keep
party
leaders
updated
with
any
requests
over
the
recessed
period
as
this
tragedy
unfolds,
and
I
so
wish
that
it
comes
to
us
with
a
conclusion
and
that
those
perpetrators
are
dealt
with
in
due
course.
Thank
you,
provost.
L
Thank
you,
provost
councillor,
farmer
has
eloquently
put
the
issues
in
terms
of
what
was
said
at
cosla
the
other
day
together.
I
think
we
would
all
stand
behind
him
and
stand
behind
causela
and
indeed
our
leadership
at
the
the
the
the
governmental
leadership
in
terms
of
their
actions
at
the
forefront
of
imposing
sanctions
and
indeed
the
the
military
assistance
in
terms
of
equipment
which
is
being
made
available.
L
I
think
I
I'm
sure
many
people
have
seen
the
story
this
morning
of
the
the
russian
soldiers
captured
in
kiev,
where
the
the
women
who
were
who'd
captured
them
phoned
their
mothers
and
let
them
speak
to
them
and
that's
the
kind
of
humanity
and
hope
which
will
take
us
through
this,
because
we
must
remember
that
this
is
not
the
actions
of
the
russian
people.
This
is
the
actions
of
the
russian
government.
L
I
I
I
it's
a
it's
a
blank
check
to
work
together
here,
scott,
in
terms
of
working
together
on
on
this
issue.
We
need
to
do
everything
that
we
can
do
anything.
We
can
do
to
make
sure
that
we
alleviate
the
suffering
of
the
of
the
people
of
ukraine,
and
I
feel
very
strongly
about
that.
I'm
sure
members
across
the
chamber
feel
equally
strongly
about
that.
So
we
do.
I
do
hope
that
we
can
work
together
on
all
of
that.
Thank
you.
Provost.
M
Thank
you,
provost
provost.
I
stand
with
the
people
of
ukraine.
We
stand
with
the
people
of
ukraine.
It
is
absolutely
unbelievable
that
this
is
happening
in
europe
today.
Do
you
know
I?
I
try,
no
matter
how
busy
my
day
is
to
sit
down
with
my
kids
for
dinner
at
night,
and
this
week
I've
been
trying
to
answer
their
questions
as
to
what's
going
on,
and
why
is
it
going
on,
and
I
find
myself
at
a
loss,
and
I
find
myself
troubled
that
I
don't
understand
why.
M
I
vividly
remember
asking
my
father
when
I
was
about
the
age
of
my
son,
who's,
12
questions
about
the
iron
curtain
and
questions
about
communism
in
eastern
europe,
and
I
asked
him
the
question
dad:
do
you
think
the
berlin
wall
will
ever
fall?
I
suspect
this
was
sort
of
1987
and
I
don't
know
why
this
sticks
in
my
mind,
but
he
says
not
in
my
lifetime
son.
I
doubt
it
will
fall
in
my
lifetime
and
two
years
later
the
war
was
gone.
M
That's
the
sort
of
hope
that
we
have
to
hold
on
to
together
that
when
we
look
at
the
bleakness
that
is
happening
in
ukraine
today
it
will
end,
but
how
quickly
ends
and
with
how
much
bloodshed
ends
is
really
up
to
the
russians,
and,
as
I
say
I
said
at
the
beginning
of
my
statement,
I
say
it
again.
I
stand
with
the
people
of
ukraine,
we
stand
with
the
people
of
ukraine
and
we
call
on
putin
to
end
this
madness
now.
Thank
you.
Provost.
I
I
Was
your
father
or
your
grandfather
actually
get
that,
but
my
grandfather,
but
my
father
was
okay,
a
russian
translator
in
world
war
ii
and
he
worked
with
okay,
the
russians
against
okay,
nazi
germany,
and
he
would
be
absolutely
shocked
to
see
what
is
happening
now
in
ukraine
or
ukraine
was
taken
over
by
the
germans
and
was
bombed
by
the
germans.
So
there
is
actually
a
repeat
of
okay,
the
carnage
that
is
going
on
now.
I
I
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
people
have
seen
pictures
on
okay,
the
social,
social
media
of
the
donations
that
have
come,
but
that
does
not
do
okay,
the
justice,
so
I
want
to
actually
speak
to
all
the
political
leaders
of
the
council
today
if
we
could
have
a
meeting
sometime
tomorrow
to
discuss
sterling's
response,
because
I
think
the
bridge
of
alan
their
donations,
which
have
come
from
as
well
as
okay,
the
cumbernauld
is
sterling's
response.
So
please
can
we
do
that?
I
Okay,
scott?
Okay?
Can
we
do
that?
So
I
just
wanted
to
end.
Is
a
democracy
is
at
stake?
Here
we
take
our
democracy
as
okay,
the
sometimes
for
granted.
We
as
our
counselors
enter
the
okay,
okay,
the
democratic
process,
and
we
are
elected
okay
through
that.
So
let's
stand
up
for
peace
that
peace,
which
has
a
succession
of
all
violence.
N
Thanks
provost
and
thank
you
for
giving
counsellors
opportunity
to
discuss
this
same
horrendous
situation.
We've
all
watched
in
disbelief
as
a
putin
has
unleashed
yet
another
pattern
of
horror
in
the
name
of
his
distorted
reality
at
this
time.
Fighting
neo-nazism
in
ukraine,
but
everyone
can
see
this
for
what
it
really
is.
It's
about
putin's
ego,
it's
about
power,
it's
about
threats
of
nuclear
war.
If
the
rest
of
the
world
don't
obey
this
dictator
and
ukraine
is
a
country
in
its
own
right.
N
There
is
no
dispute
about
that,
and
putin's
latest
path
of
violence
has
been
rightly
condemned
by
the
un,
the
eu,
nato
and
across
every
civilized
country
in
the
world.
The
readiness
of
the
international
community
to
take
immediate
action
and
place
sanctions
on
russia
is
the
exact
course
of
action
to
be
taken.
N
The
world
recognises
that
putin's
actions
are
a
global
threat
and
stopping
putin
is
as
necessary,
not
just
for
ukraine,
but
for
her
bordering
states
and
sterling
stands
with
ukraine,
and
I
will
support
the
work
being
done
to
ensure
their
refugees
are
made.
Welcome
in
our
communities,
and
I
sincerely
hope
that
the
country
will
find
peace
again.
C
C
C
There's
no
there's
no
doubting
that
the
baltic
states
and
other
eastern
european
countries
are
very
appreciative
of
the
support
from
from
nato,
and
we
should
not
forget
that,
of
course,
we
I
condem
anyone
who
apologizes
for
for
the
russian
actions
and
being
quite
surprised
for
that,
and,
lastly,
echo
comments
from
cancer,
benson
and
tolmash
about
how
shallow
democracy
is.
I
was
leafleting
yesterday
and
just
thinking
how
lucky
we
are
to
be
in
a
country
where
we
have
freedom
of
speech.
C
A
K
K
K
O
A
C
Yes,
I
do
I'm
just
going
to
ask
gavin
whether
she
thinks
it's
not
disappointing,
that
the
snp
is
taking
such
a
mean
attitude
to
this
funding,
but
I
need
a
making
sterling
attractive
to
to
young
families,
and
this
this
to
me
sends
out
a
very
negative
message
about
the
importance
of
child
care.
Do
do
you
want
to
comment
on
that.
P
I
don't
really
agree
with
you.
Sterling
has
got
a
very,
very,
very
good
reputation
for
early
years
in
child
care
and
we're
held
up
as
an
exemplar
and
nationally,
and
we
have
very
good
establishments
and
relationships
with
our
partner
you'll,
be
aware
that
they
have
been
successful
in
entering
the
pilot
for
the
third
entry
so
from
a
the
new
academic
term.
P
Anybody
from
august
anybody
whose
birthday
from
august
onwards
is
able
to
apply
for
a
different
entry
place,
which
means
they
can
stay
in
nursery
for
an
additional
year
if
their
family
so
choose.
I
think
we've
got
an
excellent
offer
and
and
coming
down
the
line.
The
a
program
for
government
is
a
universal
provision
for
one
and
two-year-olds.
P
So
there's
still
a
lot
of
development
to
do.
I
think
we've
done
fantastic.
I
think
the
team
has
worked
extremely
well
and
the
smooth
transition
to
11
40
hours
over
the
last
few
years-
and
I
think
the
offer
we
have
is-
is
really
very
good
in
sterling
and
you'll
notice.
From
the
answer
to
the
question
that
there's
a
number
of
local
authorities
who
have
different
arrangements
and
a
number
of
local
authorities
who
follow
the
government
guidelines,
which
is
what
we
do.
A
Q
Thank
you
promised
page
67
of
the
the
minutes
all
right
under
the
agenda
actually
to
know
his
minute.
I
asked
a
question
about
resilience
and
working
with
and
consulting
with
communities
and
council
farmers
agreed
to
do
that.
Will
you
do?
Will
you
commit
to
doing
the
same
on
future
for
future
big
decisions
like
beautiful
link,
road
workplace
park,
charging
service,
massive
service
changes
and
budgets.
K
C
I
thank
you
promise.
I
think
this
is
a
question
for
council
thompson,
page
26345,
the
replacement
of
the
refuse
vehicles
in
this
war.
We've
had
huge
problems
in
in
the
bin
collection.
I
was
told
it
was
because
all
six
of
the
of
the
smaller
refuse
vehicles
are
out
of
out
of
service
can.
Can
we
just,
I
presume
that
was
the
old,
the
old
truck
new
trucks
aren't
here?
Can
we
get
some
clarification
on
where
the
new
trucks
are
arriving
to
alleviate
this
situation?.
H
B
I'm
sorry
I've
made
the
classic
mistake
for
the
last
council
meeting.
I
do
apologize
counselors.
What
I
was
saying
was
this
is
a
procedural
paper
to
deal
with
the
arrangements
in
the
pre-election
period
to
ensure
that
core
council
business
continues
to
function
during
that
period
of
heightened
sensitivity.
B
Q
K
A
J
J
Apologies:
that's
the
belmont
chief
operating
officer,
communities
and
performance.
Apologies
again,
committee
is
asked
to
note
the
content
of
the
paper
and
to
note
the
intention
that
officers
will
bring
back
a
paper
in
six
months
time,
giving
officers
adequate
time
to
determine
any
pressures
as
a
result
of
the
reduction
in
threshold.
J
F
Thank
you
provost.
Can
I
just
get
clarification?
Why
officers
think
there
is
an
extra
burden
placed
on
the
council
because
from
what
I'm
reading
it,
this
would
entail
on
average
four
contracts
per
year,
16
contracts
over
the
past
four
years,
an
average
of
four
contracts
per
year
having
to
be
brought
to
a
committee?
J
Happy
to
take
that
question
and
respond,
I
think
at
the
last
council
we
had
no.
I
had
no
idea
in
terms
of
what
that
reduction
to
a
million
would
be
or
to
750k,
and
I
think
that
was
the
question
that
was
asked.
So
I
think
the
paper
doesn't
know
any
complexity
of
these
contracts.
A
lot
of
these
contracts
will
be
across
infrastructure
and
social
care.
J
J
Q
Thank
you
promise.
I
just
I
see
today's
paper
we're
basically
deferring
a
decision
on
this
for
further
information.
That's
fine!
What
I
wanted
to
know
is,
I
would
you
propose
a
potential
trial
period
where
you
you
see
how
this
goes
or
have
you
any
thoughts
on
how
it
might
work
if
you
bring
in
a
lower
threshold.
J
I
I
guess
the
answer
to
that
lies
in
the
analysis
over
the
next
six
months
and
because
the
context
to
the
complexity
lies
within
service
plans
and
within
the
capital
programme.
The
other
thing
that
some
of
that
will
be
determined
by
some
of
the
fragility
around
the
supply
chain.
So
I
know
that
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
in
particular,
we've
looked
at
lotting
contracts,
reducing
the
volume
in
terms
of
sorry
not
reducing
the
volume,
reducing
the
complexity
to
allow
local
providers
to
bid.
J
So
there's
quite
a
lot
in
there
and
again
I
don't
have
that
data
and
information
to
share
today,
but
I
will
have
more
in
the
next
six
months.
The
last
quarter
that
the
last
quarter
of
a
financial
year
is
probably
much
quieter
in
terms
of
transactional
finance,
a
finance
and
procurement,
because
tenders,
predominantly
in
q2
q3,
a
q4
is
around
they're,
making
sure
that
things
are
invoiced,
the
books
are
closed,
etc.
Then
we
move
into
q1,
which
is
the
plan.
I
Thank
you.
I
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
isabel.
At
the
last
environment
committee,
we
had
a
paper
on
the
on
the
buses
for
the
the
park
park
and
okay
ride
buses
and-
and
I
think
there
was
quite
a
shared
opinion
at
that
meeting-
that
we
were
asked
to
make
a
decision
when
the
contract
was
only
ending
three
or
four
days
after
the
committee
making
a
decision.
I
Whatever
review
is
done
and
whatever
look
at
please
can
we
review
a
time
scale
thing
that,
when
a
councillors
are
asked
to
make
a
decision
on
a
important
okay,
the
contract
that
there
is
sufficient
a
time
for
them
to
make
a
decision,
without,
frankly
being
in
a
no-win
situation,
because
if
we
had
then
rejected
what
was
operation,
what
was
the
contract
that
park
and
ride?
Perhaps
he
wouldn't
have
been
able
to
continue.
So,
please
can
I
I
make
a
plea
that
we
consider
that.
Thank
you.
J
Yeah,
that's
precisely
what
this
paper
does
in
the
previous
paper.
The
previous
paper
is
to
make
sure
that
the
the
approval
is
up
front
of
any
process.
I
think
the
particular
contract
that
you
refer
to
comes
at
the
back
end,
which
is
which
is
not
where
we
should
be
so
that's
the
last
of
those
type
of
contract
award
approval
papers
that
will
come
to
council
so
that
that
already
has
been
changed
in
the
contract
standing
order,
so
the
decision
will
need
to
be
made
up
front
prior
to
tender
opportunities.
Thank
you.
L
L
This
is
why
I'm
a
wee
bit
confused
about
the
issue
about
complexity,
about
because
you
know
that
the
numbers
that
are
here
at
two
point
two
point
one.
It
seemed
to
indicate
that
there
was
we're
only
talking
about
16
extra
contracts.
There
was
27
contracts
beyond
1.5
million.
This
additional
16
contracts
is
probably
counteracted
in
terms
of
the
complexity
by
the
fact
that
it's
going
to
be
significantly
simpler.
L
And
I
I'd
appreciate
your
thoughts
on
this
isabelle
because
the
simplicity
of
taking
these
decisions
up
front
and
then
allowing
procurement
to
go
ahead
with
that.
Allows
the
planning
to
be
done
in
a
much
more
well
much
more
flexible
way
and
also
reduces
the
risk
to
procurement.
In
terms
of
coming
back
and
getting
a
negative
decision
from
council.
J
Hey
well,
to
be
honest,
counselor
I
don't
agree.
I
think
it
is
more
complex,
however,
to
do
that
upfront
and
to
have
that
approval
at
the
beginning
of
a
process.
I
think
it's
more
prudent,
but
I
think
it's
less
complex
would
be
my
view.
It
has,
I
think,
there's
much
more
transparency
up
front,
but
I
think
it
does
bring
complexity,
but
I
would
welcome
some
of
the
complexity
because
it's
more
transparent,
so
I
don't
know
if
any
of
my
colleagues
who
represent
the
services
have
a
different
view,
but
that
would
be
my
view.
R
Yeah
thanks
provost
brian
roberts,
chief
operating
officer
for
infrastructure
environment,
so
I
would
just
support
what
as
well
say
in
terms
of
the
start
of
the
process,
I
think
certainly
councilor
benny.
The
point
you're
making
is
for
future
contracts.
We
can
plan
that
into
the
procurement
stage
to
the
to
the
service
specification
stage.
R
Obviously,
when
it
goes
to
committee
for
approval
of
the
the
specification
etc,
there
is
a
possibility
for
then
committee
to
ask
for
further
work
to
be
done
which
could
extend
in
that
process,
but
that's
the
whole
point
of
the
scrutiny
at
the
beginning
when
coming
back
to
councillor
tolmak's
point
about
the
parking
rate
contract,
as
was
discussed
at
the
environment
housing
committee.
The
issue
that
we
had
with
that
contract
is
that
the
tender
process
had
started
before
the
decision,
the
council
to
to
effectively
change
and
to
change
the
threshold.
R
So
it's
due
to
that
that
a
decision
that
was
taken
to
reduce
the
threshold
at
the
same
time
is
changing
the
process
of
the
scrutiny,
the
beginning,
the
that
project
and
that
tender
was
caught
in
the
position
where
the
decision
had
to
be
taken
just
immediately
prior
to
award
and
effectively
at
the
end
of
the
process,
because
it
was
fully
compliant
and
council
had
to
award
the
contract
as
per
the
tender
process.
So
so
that's
to
explain
that
one
and
just
to
again
support
what
isabel
was
saying
in
the
process.
R
I
think
the
complexity
we
got
with
this
paper
is
that
the
decision
in
december
council
did
ask
for
a
paper
to
come
back
to
ask
for
the
implications
and
also
until
we
set
up
the
the
the
tender
sorry,
the
budget
papers
this
afternoon
and
there's
decisions
on
what's
going
to
be
in
the
capital
program.
We
then,
as
officers,
need
to
then
have
a
forward,
look
and
say
here's
the
projects.
R
A
G
Yeah
thanks
provost
drew
leslie
senior
manager
for
infrastructure
just
to
add
a
lot
to
brian
as
a
initial
we're
we're
finding
projects
now
that
are
funded
externally
are
becoming
ever
more
complex
in
terms
of
the
the
constraints
of
the
conditions
of
the
grant.
Funding.
The
the
work
across
has
happened
to
be
much
with
well,
there's
a
greater
reliance
on
support
service
colleagues
in
legal
finance
procurement
as
now,
so
I
think
we're
going
into
phase
where
contracts
that
are
funded
externally.
G
I
take
the
the
calendar
primary
school
local
of
the
learning
estate
investment
project
again
has
significant
constraints
on
the
funding
and
the
outcomes
around
the
outcomes
as
well,
so
we're
going
into
a
period
where
projects
are
going
to
be
more
complex.
So
I
would
support
some
of
the
thinking
around
this,
but
we
can
share
more
of
that
information.
S
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
yeah!
Well,
yeah.
It's
similar
to
the
points
cancer
autonomy
is
made,
but
yeah,
perhaps
environment
and
housing
has
been
unlucky
because
I
think,
prior
to
the
buses
contract
with
a
similar
issue
with
released
new,
their
waste
review
vehicles,
contract
or
maybe
a
different
different
contract.
But
we
were
essentially
told
that
committee
that
we
couldn't
vote
against
it
well.
Well,
you
know
we
couldn't
a
majority
of
us
couldn't
vote
against
us,
because
it'd
be
a
very
difficult
position
and
formats.
S
I
think
it's
right
that
we're
bringing
it
forward
and
we'll
have
an
end
into
those
types
of
decisions
that
we
saw
recently
and
in
the
past
and
from
that
and
just
wondering
if
the
report
in
six
months
time
would
also
include
the
impact
of
ruling
the
threshold.
Again,
I'm
mentioning
sort
of
three
quarters
of
a
million
from
that.
So
you've
got
that
full
picture
of.
S
T
Yeah,
some
concerns
have
been
expressed
by
officers
as
to
the
amount
of
work
this
might
bring
them,
which,
which
I
can
I
can
understand
and
sympathize
with,
but
I
think
they
should
regard
it
more
positively.
I
think
they
should
look
at
the
positive
aspects
of
this,
because
I
believe
this
can
be
the
discipline
involved
in
clarifying
your
thoughts,
preparing
a
simple
structured
paper
to
take
to
a
committee
yet
or
the
council.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
lot
of
work.
T
It's
additional
work,
perhaps,
but
I
think
it's
a
youth
useless
discipline,
particularly
in
the
case
of
these
these
these
complicated
contracts,
because
it
is
it
forces
you
as
a
person
responsible
for
that
to
clarify
your
thinking,
simplify
and
say
here
are
the
arguments
for
here.
The
arguments
against
here
are
all
the
relevant
parameters,
so
I
would
encourage
officers
to
regard
this
in
a
it's
a
part
in
a
positive
light.
T
I
see
as
a
useful
discipline
for
them
as
well
as
an
extra
burden,
and
my
question
is
in
the
past:
when
we've
considered
contracts,
there's
been
a
difference
in
approach.
We've
had
different
types
of
information
presented,
different
amounts
of
detail
given
to
us,
and
it's
often
very
difficult
to
make
an
informed
decision
when
the
approach
has
been
so
different.
T
Could
I
put
in
a
plea
for
some
at
least
some
attempt
at
standardization
of
what
is
presented
to
to
council
on
committees
and
particularly
in
terms
of
explaining
what
waiting
is
being
given
to
cost
and
quality
and
how
quality
is
assessed,
and
so
because
also
often,
we've
been
presented
with
something.
That's
so
high
level.
We're
no
better
off
we're
in
our
position
to
make
an
informed
decision
on
what
we've
been
presented
with.
Thank
you.
R
Yes,
thanks
for
always
brian
roberts,
chief
operating
officer
for
infrastructure,
environment.
Again,
thanks
for
the
point
say
councillor
bill,
but
I
think
I
would
just
let
me
point
back
to
council.
The
officers
absolutely
welcome
the
approval
being
at
the
beginning
of
the
process
and
my
colleague,
isabel
mcknight
brought
the
paper
forward
previously
very
much
on
the
basis
of
that
recommendation
to
council
the
debate
they
played
out
the
last
time,
and
the
purpose
of
this
paper
was
because
then
they
changed.
R
The
threshold
of
approval
from
1.5
million
down
to
what
was
settled
on
is
one
million,
and
that's
the
purpose
of
the
request
for
council
in
the
update
paper
on
the
impact
of
that
reduction
of
the
the
value
and
the
view
of
officers
and
the
assessment
officers
will
be
doing
was
was
really
discussing
the
council.
What
is
the
best
threshold
thinking
about
what
a
million
pound
really
gets
you
for
infrastructure
in
large
contracts,
and
so
there's
absolutely
no
a
concern
at
all
about
from
officers
about
having
the
committee
decision
council
decisions
at
the
beginning
process.
R
That's
absolutely
what
it
should
be.
An
officer's.
Welcome
that
I
think
we're
getting
bogged
down
again
in
that
issue
about
where
does
the
right
threshold
sit
in
terms
of
allowing
the
business
council
to
be
as
efficient
as
possible,
but
also
the
delivery
of
the
council
and
where
the
office
of
delegation
sit
but
be
rest
assured.
Council
officers
are
absolutely
in
support
of
the
decision
that
was
taken
to
have
it
begin
in
the
attending
process.
J
Yes,
I
think
brian
has
articulated
what
I
was
going
to
say.
The
only
thing
that
I
will
add,
as
I
think
my
response
to
councillor
benny's
question
was:
I
welcome
that
a
reduction
in
threshold
will
bring
bring
more
transparency
and
will
be
more
prudent.
However,
I
can't
comment
right
now
on
what
the
complexity
will
be.
I
think
brian
has
went
some
way
to
answer
that
that
will
come
out
over
the
next
six
months,
but
personally
I
welcome
the
transparency.
A
U
Thank
you
promised
morning,
members
stuart
oliver
senior
manager
for
economic
development
and
communities,
so
this
report
presents
sterling's
proposed
new
economic
strategy,
along
with
supporting
action
plan
for
2223
members
are
asked
to
offer
any
comments
they
might
have
at
the
moment
and
they
ultimately
to
approve
the
adoption
of
the
strategy
as
the
council's
guiding
document
for
our
future
economic
growth
activity.
Happy
to
take
any
questions.
Q
Thank
you
promised.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
bit
more
of
detail
about
transport,
certainly
the
rural
area
and
the
finishing
rollout
broadband
in
draft
filling,
for
example,
they
are
very,
very
late
in
the
program
and
what
we
can
do
to
get
these
more
rural
and
remote
areas
into
the
transport
and
broadband.
I
think
these
connections
are
really
important,
so
a
bit
more
on
that
picture
be
helpful.
Thank
you.
U
Sure
so,
in
terms
of
transport,
first,
obviously,
that's
a
okay,
a
major
consideration
that
obviously
and
transcends
an
economic
strategy,
although
it's
ultimately
core
and
vital
vital
to
economy.
So
there's
a
lot
of
work
going
on
across
the
various
different
agencies
and
there's
a
piece
of
work
done
recently.
That's
mentioned
in
the
strategy
in
terms
of
the
fourth
valley
connectivity
commission.
To
look
at
you
know
what
are
the:
what
are
the
key
issues
in
terms
of
that
that
physical
connectivity
and
ultimately
to
come
on
to?
Well
what
are
the?
U
What
are
the
solutions
that
we
can
look
at
to
try
and
make
that
make
that
work
and
because
there's
two
sides
that
obviously
a
lot
of
focus
you
know
is
going
to
be
on
the
principles
of
of
20,
minute,
neighborhood
type
activity
to
make
sure
that
the
services
and
facilities
and
opportunity
to
work
within
our
local
areas
and
towns,
but
equally
there's
no
denying
that
people
need
to
travel
in
and
out
to
the
to
the
larger
centers.
And
that
needs
to
be
something.
U
That's
that's
addressed
because
we
know
there's
significant
issues
there
in
terms
of
the
the
broadband
yeah.
It's
a
continual
kind
of
piece
of
work
which
has
been
been
going
very
well
in
terms
of
finding
solutions
for
for
hard
to
reach
communities
and
there's
been
notable
success
over
the
last
few
years
in
that.
But
I
am,
of
course
we
won't
stop
until
every
area
of
stirling
has
has
the
level
of
connectivity
that
it
needs.
U
So
our
own
rural
broadband
program
continues
and
the
the
specific
schemes
that
are
mentioned
within
the
action
plan
for
this
year
are
those
that
are
furthest
forward
and
that
we
can
be
confident
would
be
delivered
this
year.
But
we
continue
to
work
with
all
the
communities
to
look
at
that,
and
obviously
we
continue
to
work
with
the
national
programmes
and
agencies
as
well
to
try
and
make
sure
they're
progressing
as
fast
as
they
can
to
bring
those
additional
solutions
and
provide
opportunity.
Q
C
Hi,
thank
you
promise
stuart
on
page
one
through
seven,
you
talk
about
the
ambitions
to
to
net
zero
in
2045.
I
have
real
concerns
about
the
cost
to
this
we're
already
seeing.
I
think
it's
17
of
scotland
in
pure
poverty
and
that's
before
the
massive
increases
in
gas
and
electricity
prices
come
through
this
quarter.
If
we're
really
talking
about
decarbonizing.
C
So
I
would
just
urge
that
we
must
maybe
moderate
our
ambitions
and
in
net
zero
and
go
as
fast
as
we
can
afford,
not
just
for
the
middle
class,
but
for
the
less
we'll
often
society
who
don't
have
the
option
of
leasing
a
fancy
electric
car.
They
just
have
to
put
up
with
a
10
year
old,
banger
that
runs
on
diesel
or
petrol
and
putting
up
with
the
massive
increases
in
prices.
We've
seen.
A
U
U
It's
been
discussed
in
the
development
of
this
strategy
and
has
been
discussed
our
climate
board
that
you
know
there
can
be
impacts
on
on
disadvantaged
groups
unless
this
is
managed
properly
and
all
things
considered
in
terms
of
every
policy
and
every
action
that
we're
trying
to
deliver
and
that
comes
under
the
the
term.
I
suppose
that's
been
used
as
just
transition
which
which
which
tries
to
make
sure
that
no
one's
disadvantaged
by
our
efforts
to
get
to
net
zero.
So
I
can
give
the
assurance
that
has
been
fully
considered.
U
It's
not
net
zero
at
all
costs
and
we
have
to
make
sure
that
those
residents
and
and
and
people
of
sterling
who
could
potentially
be
disadvantaged
by
by
some
policy
are
fully
considered
and
that
we
take
these
things
kind
of
one
step
at
a
time
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
exacerbate
any
disadvantage.
And,
of
course,
core
to
the
economic
strategy
you'll
see
here
is
is
to
really
think
about
how
we
properly
meaningfully
and
sustainably
tackle
the
gap
we
have.
So
that's
going
to
be
considered
every
point.
I
I
Can
I
ask
one
question
about
the
city
center,
which
is
a
key
component
of
sterling
being
five
instances
sustainable
and
inclusive,
and
if
you
can
make
a
comment,
perhaps
you
comment
on
the
question,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
or
do
you
think
the
approval
of
a
supermarket
in
a
spring
curse?
Okay,
okay,
the
recently
is
conjunct.
U
I
think
what
we'd
say
is
so
many
different
elements
that
make
up
an
economy
that
we're
looking
for
and
people
all
different
views
and
people
have
different
reasons
for
for
approval.
You
know
the
opportunity
for
the
opportunity
for
jobs,
well-paid
jobs
and
and
jobs
offer
some
flexibility.
It's
positive.
U
I
U
Similarly,
a
good
example,
I
think,
is
the
the
city
of
culture
bid
that
we
just
put
in
where
there
was
a
real,
significant
effort
to
make
sure
that
those
who
perhaps
hadn't
had
a
voice
on
these
issues
before
did
have
that
voice
and
were
well
engaged
and
that
will
continue
whether
whether
sterling
wins
or
not
in
terms
of
culture
made
a
really
positive
start
there.
So
it's
just
really,
I
think,
making
sure
that
we
are
speaking
to
everyone.
You
know
there's
lots
of
really
positive
examples
of
that
happening
and
increasing.
U
Now
I
am,
and
in
terms
of
inclusive
in
terms
of
opportunity
again,
the
strategy
sets
out
to
show
that
absolutely
we
need
to
attract
businesses
here.
We
need
to
grow
our
businesses,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
that
is
providing
genuine
opportunity.
People
for
people
through
looking
at
what
the
links
are
to
our
employability
programs,
their
skills
programs.
U
R
R
I
think
it's
really
perfect
timing,
that
the
council
is
agreeing
this
economic
strategy,
because
it
will
then
lead
into
the
work
of
the
next
local
development
plan
and
indeed
the
local
transport
strategy,
and,
I
think,
is
as
we
develop
those
two
strategies
again
so
that
the
members
and
the
communities
will
really
get
the
opportunity
to
input
to
what
the
transport
solutions
would
be
and
to
support
the
communities,
but
actually
to
support
the
aspirations.
That's
in
this
economic
plan.
R
So,
just
to
reassure
you
that
this
plan
doesn't
provide
all
the
detail
on
those
transport
proposals
and
the
energy
proposals,
I
think,
is
absolutely
pertinent.
It
reflects
that
and
those
will
come
forward
to
council
in
the
updates
to
the
climate
emergency
plan,
the
regionally
energy
plan
and
both
the
ldp
and
the
lps
injury
course.
D
Thank
you,
provost
yeah.
Thank
you,
stuart
for
the
document,
a
couple
of
questions
around
rural
economy,
page
136
and
then
further
on
through
the
action
plan
for
22
23.,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
emphasis
in
the
document
given
to
the
to
visitor
stroke,
tourism,
stroke,
food
and
drink
sectors
within
the
rural
areas.
D
I'm
really
seeking
some
reassurance
that
we
are
going
to
be
giving
equal
focus,
an
important
focus
in
developing
broader
sector-based
economic
development
manufacturing
servicing
across
the
rural
areas
a
lot
of
the
the
jobs
we're
talking
about
in
in
those
sectors.
The
visitor
sectors
are
lower
paid,
seasonal
and
we
need
higher
quality,
more
sustainable
all
year
jobs.
So
I'm
looking
for
some
reassurance
on
the
breadth
of
our
pallet
on
that
and
how
that
ties
in,
as
brian
has
just
talked
about
the
development
of
the
ldp,
how
we
are
going
to
be.
D
U
Sure
so,
in
terms
of
diversification
of
rural
economy,
absolutely
it's
vital.
You
know
we
talk
about
increasing
average
wage
and
quality
of
living,
and
we
do
know
the
difficulty
with
some
of
the
traditional
sectors.
You
know
characterized
by
by
you
know:
lower
wages
than
many
other
sectors,
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
work
that
we've
done.
That
we'll
continue
to
focus
on
is
obviously
the
development
of
rural
hubs.
U
Absolutely
it's
absolutely
vital
that
we
walk
in
so
closely
with
the
national
park
and
they've
been
heavily
consulted
in
the
development
of
this
strategy,
and
I
think,
over
the
last
couple
of
years
I
think
personally,
I've
seen
some
real
improvement
in
terms
of
the
regularity
of
of
discussion
and
the
discussions
around
joint
projects
and
tackling
rural
issues
in
the
national
park
area
together
and
and
will
continue
to
do
so.
It's
very
important
that
that
relationship
is
very
strong
and
that
we
are
together
on
this.
D
Thank
you
stuart.
As
my
specific
question
is
pertains
to
the
legranek
industrial
site
business
site
in
calendar,
which
is
in
a
poor
condition
it
it's
a
lot
of
the
infrastructure
and
the
buildings
and
the
whole
general
site
is
is
is
poor,
so
I
I'd
like
to
you
know
see
that
we're
going
to
do
something
specific
about
that
redevelopment
of
it,
relocation
of
it-
something
that's
that's
actually
fit
for
purpose
in
the
21st
century,
in
in
one
of
our
most
important
rural
economic
hubs.
U
Yeah,
it's
been
looked
at
and
it's
been
looked
at
specifically
in
the
context
of
of
one
of
the
actions
which
is
development
of
specific
economic
action
plans
for
our
towns
and
villages.
I
know
there's
different
plans
in
place
for
these
places,
but
what
we
propose
there
is
that
these
plans
are
going
in
and
really
picking
up
on,
the
maybe
the
three
four
five
key
areas
of
opportunity
or
challenge
in
terms
of
what
could?
U
What
could
bring
the
best
possible
growth
and
obviously
that
site
encounters
one,
that's
known
to
us
and
and
it's
a
challenge,
but,
as
you
see
it's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
look
at
that,
because
if
we
can
get
that
right,
the
significant
potential
there
you
know
for
the
economy
of
calendar
and
quite
far
surround.
So.
Yes,
it's
on
the
radar.
K
U
Yeah,
absolutely
it
counselor
has
been
considered,
because
obviously
the
our
intentions
around
the
city
dealer
are
the
same
as
the
intentions
of
this
economic
strategy
in
terms
of
growth,
innovation
opportunity.
So
the
kpi
framework
has
been
developed,
taking
that
into
account,
and
so
there'll
be
a
strong
framework
there
with
them
clear
baselines
of
where
we're
starting
from
so
that
it
can
be
managed,
measured
annually
and
reported
into
members
in
terms
of
progress
but
yeah.
That
would
be
absolutely
in
sync,
with
the
the
citadel
report.
L
Thanks
promise,
I'm
not
as
enthused
by
this
plan
as
councillor
farmer
is,
I
I'm
wondering
stuart
what
luke
was
taking
here,
because
when
we've
done
this
exercise
in
the
past,
we've
looked
at
the
weaknesses
in
the
stunning
economy,
and
traditionally
the
big
weaknesses
in
the
stunning
economy
have
always
been
around
about
over
reliance.
Some
particular
sectors,
especially
low
paid
sectors
such
as
the
visitor
economy,
also
no
reliance
on
the
public
sector,
jobs
which
leaves
the
sterling
economy
exposed
in
terms
of
the
number
of
jobs
which
are
in
particular
baskets
so
effectively.
L
L
When
the
global
crash
happened
back
in
2008,
we
saw
a
significant
impact
on
the
strong
economy
because
of
that
over
exposure
in
that
particular
sector,
and
that
is
a
sector
which
is
up
and
down
at
the
moment
it's
very
much
down
because
we
don't
have
tourism
coming
in
from
abroad
and
obviously
that
is
massively
impacting
large
chunks
of
that
sector.
Now,
while
that's
being
propped
up
at
the
moment,
there's
trouble
ahead.
L
We
traditionally
looked
at
that
in
the
context
of
diversification.
Now
you've
already
mentioned
diversification.
I
don't
see
diversification
in
here
as
a
key
priority,
because
when
I
look
at
this,
I
think
okay.
Well,
what
should
be
our
economic
strategy?
Our
economic
strategy
should
be
looking
at
the
tech
manufacturing
pharmacy
pharmaceuticals,
these
areas
to
diversify
our
economy,
to
allow
it
to
grow
in
that
area,
because
that
will
also
help
address
the
other.
L
L
If
you
think
about
this,
we
import
a
lot
of
cheap
labor,
so
a
lot
of
people
commute
into
stalling
for
lower
paid
jobs
and
the
people
installing
are
commuting
out
of
stumbling,
which
can
I
mean
I
know
they've
mentioned
20
minute
neighborhoods,
but
I
mean
that's:
that's
just
a
public
policy
word
unless
we
actually
put
some
detail
behind
it
in
terms
of
what
it
is
that
we're
actually
achieving
here.
Can
you
say
what
this
plan
is
going
to
do
to
address
those
two
particular
weaknesses
in
the
standard
economy.
U
Yeah,
I
think
I
I'm
not
sure
I'm
not,
I'm
not
sure
it
doesn't
say
that
in
terms
of
the
vision
and
the
strategic
objectives
you
know
it
talks
about,
you
know
growth
and
innovation
and
talks
about
diversification,
and
I
think
you
know
if
you
look
at
the
kpis
in
terms
of
you
know,
it's
very
focused
on
increasing
average
wage
levels
increasing.
You
know
high
value
jobs,
and
things
like
that.
U
You
know
these
are
long-term
kind
of
changes,
and
you
know
if
you
look
at
one
of
the
results
highlighted,
for
example,
is
the
the
doubling
the
size
of
the
jobs
in
the
digital
sector
over
the
last
last
four
or
five
years.
So
these
things
take
some
time
and
by
focusing
on
some
of
the
other
high
growth
sectors,
we'll
seek
to
get
there
as
well
in
other
sectors
and
I'm
confident
and
that
we
can
do
that.
A
A
M
Just
to
say
promised,
I
I
welcome
this
strategy.
You
know
looking
at
two
point.
One
of
the
considerations
it
says
well
still
in
council
has
led
to
the
development
of
economic
of
stilling's
economic
strategy.
It
is
not
a
strategy
for
the
council
alone
and
I
think
that's
a
key
thing.
When
we
talk
about
sterling's
economy,
we
all
we
all
have
a
role
to
play.
You
know
you
and
I
have
a
role
to
play:
stuart
oliver
and
his
team
of
a
role
to
play
with
you
know
the
businesses
that
already
exist
and
still
sterling.
M
If
we,
if
we
make
these
comments
and
then
rush
home
for
the
amazon
delivery
driver
is
a
self-fulfilling
prophecy.
So,
whilst
I
too,
like
the
the
benefits
of
the
internet,
I
would
just
urge
everybody
whatever
they
can
to
shop
local.
There
are
some
fantastic
businesses
in
stirling
and
if
we
have
more
shopping
local,
we
will
have
more,
which
hopefully
will
attract
some
of
the
high-paying
jobs
that
comes
with
the
pennies
talking
about
which
makes
stilling
a
better
place
to
live.
Mother
comic
promises,
council
ben
you
mentioned
tourism.
M
But
I
look
around
stirling
and
I'm
absolutely
amazed
at
the
tourists,
the
tourism
potential
that
we
have,
and
we
should
never
forget
that,
and
we
should
celebrate
that
they
may
not
bring
the
highest
paying
jobs,
but
is
one
of
our
core
strengths
that
we
have
a
tourism
infrastructure
that
others
would
kill
to
have,
and
sometimes
we
talk
that
down
economically,
and
I
think
we
should
be
careful
of
the
words
that
we
use
so
horst.
I
agree
entirely
counter
to
the
benefit
we
do
need
to
bring
in
the
high-paying
jobs
and
agree
with
that.
M
I
just
don't
resort
to
be
careful
with
the
words
that
we
use
with
tourism,
it's
fantastic,
what
we
have
in
stirling
and
we
should
celebrate
it
so
shop
local,
come
visit
sterling
enjoy
the
tourism
that
we
have
and-
and,
like
I
said,
everybody
distilling
is
open
for
business.
It's
open
for
relocation,
it's
open
for
development
and
it's
the
city
of
culture
bed
has
shown.
L
Yeah
promise
that
I
think
you
know,
if
you
listen
to
what
I
was
saying,
council,
okay,
I
was
actually
talking
about
an
over
reliance
on
particular
sectors.
It's
not
that
it's
not!
The
tourism
is
a
strategic
weakness
in
the
economy.
It's
the
over
reliance
on
tourism.
It's
an
issue
because
over
reliance
on
any
particular
sector
is
a
strategic
weakness
and
we
have
an
over
reliance
on
tourism
in
our
economy
and
another
reliance
on
public
sector
in
our
economy
as
well.
L
When
you
look
at
the
broad
sweep
and
our
economic
strategy
and
how
we
provide
jobs
into
the
long
term,
this
isn't
about
selling
each
other
cups
of
coffee.
This
is
about
fundamentally
developing
and
allowing
products
and
putting
in
place
the
infrastructure
for
products
and
services
to
be
developed
in
the
stunning
economy
that
can
be
sold
around
the
world
and
so
effectively.
L
We
should
shop
local
because
we
do
want
a
vibrant,
healthy
city
centre,
and
that
is
an
end
in
itself,
and
I
don't
disagree
with
it.
But
what
I'm
saying
is
that
I
want
our
products
not
to
be
local
products.
I
want
them
to
be
national
and
global
in
their
scale,
and
I
just
I
just
worry
a
little
bit
about
this
plan.
L
It's
fine.
It
does
have
it
in
it,
but
it's
not
explicit
in
terms
of
an
objective
to
diversify
the
economy
and
to
build
up
our
resilience
in
terms
of
digital
in
terms
of
manufacturing
in
terms
of
pharmaceutical,
in
terms
of
actually,
our
construction
industry
is
in
here,
as
a
strength
is
actually
not
the
strength
it
once
was.
We
need
to
build
these
things
up.
L
The
chamber
of
commerce
go
forth
instead,
but
I
I
do
feel
that
that
actually
working
with
some
of
our
larger
businesses
in
the
area
might
have
been
a
good
way
to
go
about
this
as
well,
because
they're,
the
ones
who
create
the
jobs,
know
us
we're
the
ones
who
put
in
place
the
we
we're
the
ones
who
put
in
place
the
conditions
for
those
jobs
to
be
grown.
And
I
think
that
that's
that's
the
difference
here
and
that's
why
I'm
a
little
bit
disappointed
in
this
plan.
K
Thank
you
provost.
You
know
I.
I
would
always
say
of
the
view
that
a
glass
is
half
full
as
opposed
to
councillor
benny's,
where
it's
always
half
empty
and
talking
sterling
up
rather
than
stuck
talking
sterling
down.
This
is
an
iterative
process
and
a
dynamic.
A
document
and
diversity
is
at
the
heart
of
our
economic
strategy
and
and
we've
seen
that
demonstrated
in
terms
of
us
seizing
the
digital
agenda
and
the
opportunities
that
are
open
to
us
there.
K
You
know,
we've
seen
the
the
the
doubling
of
of
jobs,
of
up
to
three
thousand
jobs
that
are
now
in
the
digital
sector
and
we
would
be
seeking
to
er
expand
that
even
further.
So
I
believe
that
this
forms
a
framework
which
will
encourage
both
indigenous
economic
growth
and
also
provide
a
firm
framework
for
our
ambition
and
our
vision
to
attract
inward
investment
as
we
go
forward.
K
I
Every
councillor
who
wants
sterling's
okay
center
to
be
okay,
vibrant,
wants
to
see
people
shop,
okay,
okay,
locally,
I'm
just
speaking
to
a
person
who's
involved
with
okay,
then
okay,
they're
made
in
sterling
and
they're
doing
exceptionally
well
at
the
moment.
So
there
are
some
good
news,
okay
stories
for
sterling,
and
we
should
okay
promote
them.
But
please
can
I
plead
for
a
consistency
and
I
think
the
decision
on
okay,
the
supermarket,
is
not
consistent.
Q
Thank
you,
provost
yeah.
I
will
support
the
plan
today,
but
I
I
think
that
it's
true,
that
we
only
can
provide
the
infrastructure
build
it
and
they
will
come
that
we
can't
create
the
jobs
that
for
the
businesses
to
do,
but
the
the
two
things
I'd
ask
for
out
of
this
plan
as
it
develops
further,
and
it
will
is
that
we
really
focus
on
how
we
can
to
support
the
rural
communities
and
allow
people
to
work
at
home
and
give
them
that
infrastructure.
That's
really
important
and
also
as
a
final
statement
on
this.
Q
I
think
it's
important
that
we
actually
create
the
correct
the
correct
prospectus.
The
right
perspectives
go
and
sell
sterling
to
the
rest
of
britain
so
that
we
attract
businesses
from
all
over
the
place
and
and
people
coming
in
and
investing
in
our
city
so
and
rural
area,
of
course,
so
the
rural
area
and
selling
sterling
is
what
I'd
like
to
see
developing
out
this
plan.
Thank
you.
V
Thanks
provost
and
for
the
record,
I
am
also
the
msp
for
sterling.
I
should
have
said
that
at
the
beginning,
but
my
hand
wouldn't
go
up
for
some
reason
and
yeah.
I
very
much
welcome
the
strategy.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
good
positives
in
there.
What
I
would
say
is
that
stirling
is
definitely
punching
above
its
weight
right
now.
During
the
pandemic,
there
has
been
44
new
businesses
set
up
and
startling.
I
think
that
shows
the
positivity
around
sterling
and
what
it
has
to
offer
absolutely
shop
local,
that's
what
we
need.
V
K
A
W
Thank
you.
It's
bryony,
monahan
interim
head
of
education
and
independent
lead
officer
for
the
ad
talk
scrutiny
panel.
The
paper
provides
council
with
the
summarized
findings
of
the
ad
talks
weekly
panel
form
to
review
current
policies
relating
to
anti-social
behaviour.
Council
venison,
chaired
four
meetings
between
10th
december
and
2nd
of
february,
and
discussions
were
informed
by
officers
from
housing,
community
safety
and
legal
teams.
W
A
public
consultation
was
carried
out
in
the
inquire
platform
and
with
the
housing
advisory
group
to
inform
the
panel's
recommendations
with
further
information
and
appendices.
One
and
two
at
one
point
six
counsellors
will
note
the
concern
of
the
panel
about
the
short
time
scale
available
to
complete
aspects
of
the
work,
as
detailed
officers
have
acknowledged
the
delay
in
making
arrangements
for
the
panel
to
begin
its
work
for
reassurance.
If
the
recommendations
are
approved
today,
there
will
be
further
engagement
with
elected
members
and
wider
consultation
as
these
policies
are
developed.
W
N
X
Hey,
thank
you.
Provost,
charlie
haggerty,
legal
manager.
A
streamlined
eviction
is
an
eviction
where
a
tenant
has
been
convicted
of
a
relevant
offense
in
and
around
the
tenancy
and,
in
effect,
what
it
means
is
it
truncates
the
court
process
somewhat
and
that
the
conviction
itself
is
treated
as
the
tenancy
breach.
So
there's
no
need
to
require
evidence
on
the
breach
of
tenancy
and
all
the
court
then
hears
is
arguments
around
the
proportionality
of
the
making.
The
eviction
order.
N
X
No
sorry,
thank
you
promise
them.
No,
I
don't
think
there
is
any
disadvantage
in
having
a
policy.
There
certainly
would
be
a
disadvantage
in
not
having
a
policy,
because,
certainly
if
there
is
a
policy
in
place,
it
allows
certainties
to
the
processes.
Are
the
officers
would
follow
in
the
circumstances
where
a
streamlined
eviction
may
be
contemplated.
H
Yeah
thanks
provost,
I'm
not
sure
who
this
is
directed
to,
but
the
the
remits
of
the
the
group
was
to
look
at
behavior
of
council
tenants,
but
as
I've
seen
the
paper
and
I've
heard
from
the
members
of
the
housing
advisory
group,
that
was
more
than
that
they
wanted
to
cover
the
the
full
gambit
of
anti-social
behavior.
I
can,
I
ask:
did
we
look
at
more
than
just
council
house
tents
or
did
the
follow
the
the
remit.
G
Yeah
drew
leslie
senior
manager
for
infrastructure,
I
would
say
counselor
thompson
at
various
points
in
the
the
process
we
spoke
the
issues
around
registered
social
landlords
and,
of
course
the
asb
team
has
had
you
know
it
approaches
10
year
neutral
as
to
how
we
that
we'll
tackle
cases
on
on
all
fronts,
the
I
would
say
the
survey
on
the
engage
platform
through
quite
a
lot
of
response
from
a
private
tenants
or
you
know,
non-council
tenants
as
well.
So
there
was
a
wide
range.
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
things
in
the
surface.
G
Q
W
Q
G
I
think
some
of
the
the
approach
of
the
service
and
we
identify
in
the
in
the
policy
is
to
to
speed
up
and
the
urgency
of
contact
with
individuals
is
really
important,
but
resolving
early,
and
I
think
some
of
the
stats
identified
earlier
solutions,
but
taking
a
mediation
approach,
a
warning
approach
and
and
tackling
these
issues
early.
I
think
the
team
leader
for
community
safety
would
certainly
identify
that
cases
are
closed.
Quicker
agreements
are
made
quicker
with
that
early
action
being
taken.
Y
Apologies,
it's
stephen
clark,
chief
officer
for
the
housing
service,
just
in
in
terms
of
council,
mcdonald's
question
there
as
well.
I'm
just
I
would
point
out
as
well
in
terms
of
the
housing
service.
We
support
the
funding
of
an
additional
two
officers
that
have
been
recruited
in
the
last
12
months
and
that
really
helps
to
to
act
in
a
more
proactive
way
as
opposed
to
being
reactive.
We've
got,
you
know
more
more
resources
there
to
be
able
to
deal
more
effectively
with
complaints
coming
through.
Thank
you.
D
A
X
X
So
you
know,
for
instance,
the
breach
of
the
peace
which
is
conv,
which
is
happens
in
the
city
center,
is
not
the
same
as
a
breach
of
the
piece
which
happens
and
in
a
close
of
a
tournament
building.
So
there
is
that
aspect
of
it.
So
there
has
to
be
a
connection
with
the
the
the
flat
the
tendency,
the
locale
and
for
it
to
become
relevant.
D
X
No,
and
its
very
nature
is,
is
more
broad
in
its
approach,
however
procedure.
Procedurally,
we
are
guided
by
the
red
scottish
government
guidance
in
relation
to
streamlined
evictions
and
their
usage,
and
also
to
a
decisions,
of
course,
and
through
the
course
of
the
meetings
with
the
panel,
we
provided
a
number
of
case
laws,
sorry
cases
from
various
share
of
courts
on
the
use
of
streamlined
evictions
where
it
was
appropriate
when
it
was
not
appropriate.
X
So
all
of
this
will
feed
into
the
the
policy
and
the
procedures
which
will
sit
behind
that
policy
and
which
will
obviously
being
a
policy,
will
have
to
be
brought
to
either
council
or
to
committee
and
the
new
administration,
and
for
that
to
be
scrutinized
and
approved,
and
there
will
also
require
to
be
some
element
of
public
engagement
around
that
which
is
appropriate
in
these
circumstances,
so
yeah
that
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
at
the
moment.
Counselor.
That's.
D
Helpful.
Thank
you.
My
other
point
is
regarding
the
sensitive
sorry,
the
introduction
of
a
sensitive
lettings
process
on
here,
which
I
welcome.
I
welcome
the
work
of
the
scrutiny
panel
to
to
introduce
this.
Now
that's
got
to
be
worked
up
and
developed
in
the
interim
time.
We
don't
know
exactly
how
long
that
will
take.
D
Is
it
something
that
can
be
that
direction
of
travel
that
can
be
used
as
the
equivalent?
If
you
like,
of
a
planning
material
consideration
in
the
way
that
housing
officers
are
applying
allocations
from
now
on,
from
a
point
of
view
of
an
understanding
that
there
will
be
a
sensitive
lettings
process
in
place
in
in
the
short
to
medium
term,.
O
Yeah,
thank
you.
Provost
steve,
mccabe,
houston
allocations,
team
leader,
I
think
in
the
interim,
until
the
sensitive
lens
policy
or
our
process
is
actually
added
to
the
house
and
allocations
policy
council.
We
won't
be
able
to
implement
that
process
and
what
we
can
do,
where
we're
aware
of
specific
incidents
of
anti-social
behavior
in
a
particular
area
is
try
and
be
as
sensitive
as
possible
within
the
existing
allocations
policies.
So
there
are
have
been
examples.
O
M
Thanks
progress
qualification
from
a
couple
of
points,
2.8
in
respect
to
the
review
of
anti-social
behavior
concerns
were
raised,
I
think,
by
higher
end
process
and
the
closure
of
cases,
along
with
the
case
review
periods.
However,
the
service
notes
that
these
are
important
operational
activities
to
ensure
best
use
of
resources
and
to
manage
expectations.
M
Let
us
get
a
sense
of
is
that
the
service,
in
effect,
saying
thanks
very
much.
We're
not
really
going
to
do
anything
based
on
these
points
of
concern,
or
is
the
service
going
to
do
something?
Based
on
these
points
of
concern?
You
know
what
does
that
sentence
actually
mean
in
practice?
It
doesn't
really
say
much
the
way
it's
written.
G
Drew
leslie
senior
manager
for
infrastructure,
yeah,
council
kane,
just
the
the
service,
have
identified
the
need
to
put
a
review
period
in
cases.
So
when,
when
cases,
I
think
they're
identified
around
30
days
where
they
do
a
thorough
review
with
it
as
a
team,
and
I
think
it's
important
that
there
are
there
are
occasions,
unfortunately,
where
the
the
behavior
might
fall
below
what
could
be
considered
anti-social
behavior.
G
So
it's
it
helps
if
the
the
team
leader
is
reviewing
it
or
the
senior
officers
reviewing
it
with
the
case
officer,
so
that
we
don't
build
up
expectations
of
the
the
complainer
and
that
that's
you
know
and
that
cases
can
be
closed
if
there
is
no
ongoing
evidence
of
anti-social
behavior.
So
it's
a
it's
a
clear
operational
action
to
ensure
best
use
of
resources.
G
M
The
service
will
also
look
to
have
a
visible
presence
in
some
periods
of
negative
behaviors
and
work
closely
with
these
communities.
One
of
you
tell
me
what
you
mean
by
visible
presence
and
work
closely,
because
most
most
ward
councillors
will
have
stories
of
of
working
closely
and
visible
presence
of
being
a
disconnect
between
what
the
service
considers
these
terms
to
mean
and
what
the
communities
themselves
means.
I
think
it's
important
that
I
understand.
What
do
you
mean
by
visible
presence
and
work
closely.
G
Yeah
courageous
this
was
this
was
raised
at
the
the
hag
meeting
in
particular,
and
we
had
discussion
on
that
and
I
think
the
visible
presence
is
boots
on
the
ground
officers
out
visible
in
areas
where
anti-social
behavior
has
been
taken
place.
I
was
dealing
with
a
particular
instance
today
and
the
team
leaders
can
allocate
staff
to
that
and
and
go
out
there
and
show
a
presence
in
the
community.
I
think
in
terms
of
how
we
we
also
work
with
communities.
G
Partnership
workiness
has
got
to
be
part
of
this.
It
has
to
be
a
multi-agency
approach,
we're
doing
a
lot
of
work
internally
with
youth
services,
criminal
justice,
social
work
and
we're
also
supported
by
legal
services,
and
likewise
housing
officers
from
stephen
would
say
are
in
their
presence
in
communities
as
well,
so
how
we
engage
with
communities
as
well.
I
think
we
can
probably
do
more.
There.
I've
certainly
attended
community
council
meetings
where
areas
of
concern
have
been
raised
with
me
and
I've
directed
the
team
to
go
there.
P
Thank
you
provost.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
a
notice
on
page
159
that
19.16
percent
of
the
respondents
didn't
know
how
to
report
anti-social
behavior,
and
I
just
wondered
what
work
was
being
done
so
as
the
channels
of
communication
were
more
apparent
to
people,
so
if
they
did
have
a
problem,
they
could
raise
it
swiftly.
A
G
Yeah
through
leslie
senior
manager
for
infrastructure
yeah.
I
think
that
that
was
one
that
I've
raised
with
the
team
leader.
It
was
a
bit
it's
a
little
bit
disappointing
to
see,
but
I
think
we
we
can
do
more
work
on
that.
I
think
we
do.
The
caseload
has
been
high.
It's
been
certainly
high
during
the
pandemic,
so
by
and
large
cases
have
been
reported
we
do.
We
do
need
to
do
a
bit
more.
So
I'll
come
back
with
whatever
what
our
actions
will
be
around
that
council
mcgill.
P
A
Z
N
Council
benson,
thank
you
thanks,
councilman,
and
just
to
pick
up
on
council
thompson's
point
about
action
acting
out
with
the
rematch
on
you'll
notice.
On
page
150
of
the
agenda.
There
is
the
actual
motion
and
it
says
the
second
sentence
of
the
motion.
Council
also
agrees
that
there
should
be
a
review
of
policies
concerning
sterling
council
tenants
who
persistently
break
their
tenancy
agreements
through
anti-social,
behavior
and
or
criminal
activity
and
the
impact
this
has
on
neighbours
in
the
wider
community.
N
N
So,
and
first
I'd
like
to
thank
my
colleagues
on
the
scrutiny
panel
for
that
input
and
I'd
like
to
thank
the
officers
for
their
work
on
the
panel.
I'd
like
to
thank
the
housing
advisory
group
and
particularly
officer
stephen
mccabe
and
dan
hartos,
for
their
help
and
support,
and
the
panel
felt
that
the
recommendations
made
in
this
paper
were
the
best
course
of
action
to
tackle
the
problems
of
antisocial
behaviour
in
our
communities.
N
N
The
panel
considered
a
range
of
measures
for
those
who
want
to
move
home
because
of
anti-social
behavior.
They
should
be
given
extra
points
to
do
so.
Sensitive
lighting
should
be
introduced
an
example
of
this
being
a
street
who
has
experienced
recent
antisocial
behavior,
a
tenant
who
has
a
history
of
antisocial
behavior
will
not
be
housed
here.
That
was
just
an
example,
and
there
should
be
a
longer
suspension
on
the
waiting
list
for
those
who
have
a
history
of
anti-social
behavior.
The
panel
also
agreed
that
officers
should
develop
a
policy
on
streamlined
directions.
A
N
Okay,
I'll
speak
I'll,
speak
quicker,
then
it's
just
so
people
can
understand
what
I'm
saying
and
the
panel
agreed.
It
would
not
be
a
blanket
approach
and
these
policies
will
be
developed
and
councillors
can
consider
them
later
in
the
year.
Should
this
paper
be
agreed
and
I
hope
the
anti-social
behavior
policies
considered
will
be
progressed
now
respectfully,
request
council
supports
the
recommendations
in
this
paper.
Z
Z
So
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
that
one
going
in
there,
because
what
they're
justifying
that
the
suspension
from
the
house
must
be.
I
welcome
that
the
sense
of
writing
policy,
so
I've
covered
that
there,
but
this
year
about
the
additional
points
that
there
is
definitely
going
to
be
a
very
difficult
one
to
manage,
and,
yes
it'll
be
for
the
future
council
and
future
height
environment.
I
wasn't
committing
an
option
that
would
have
again
you
know
again.
Z
The
work
of
the
housing
advisor
here
are
saying
we're
kind
of
both
represented
on
it.
Ultimately,
you
know
they're
the
ones
that
are
answerable
to
the
tenants,
and
I
thought
that
included
that
special
ass
meeting
is
very,
very
good
again.
Their
frustration
was
quite
clear
too,
that
we
couldn't
go
further,
but
I
think
all
in
all
here,
we've
done.
I
think
we've
extracted
the
maxim
number,
it
won't
make
a
difference,
but
I
will
draw
future
council
to
studentise
it.
Thank.
E
Thanks
provost,
it's
just
to
agree
with
what
was
being
said
there.
I
think
there
was
an
impression
amongst
the
public
that
the
council
was
a
toothless
organization.
It
wasn't
prepared
to
do
anything.
There
was
no
end
of
complaints
from
residents
for
all
manner
of
anti-social,
behavior,
and
so
I'm
really
glad
this
was
put
through.
It
obviously
came
up
at
a
council
meeting.
E
It
was
actually
seeing
some
real
things
come
out
of
it
and
that's
all
the
recommendations
that
are
on
page
149
and
and
I'm
pleased
to
support
that,
and
I
think
what
it's
also
shown.
The
public
is
just
how
the
council
is
not
a
toothless
organization
and
that
we
do
listen
to
what
they
say,
and
you
know
that
we
will
have
no
no
tolerance
to
any
social
behavior
and
there's
just
the
destructive
things
it
does
to
local
communities,
but
not
completely
support
the
recommendations
and
the
work.
The
panel
did.
I
Okay,
thank
you
promise,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
find
counselor,
okay,
the
venison
for
the
way
that
she
led
this
care
panel
and
I'd
also
say
this
is
to
me
an
exemplar
of
class
party
working
within
the
council,
and
I
hope,
whatever
happens
in
the
council
in
the
next
year,
that
this
kind
of
thing
is
continued,
because
I
think
it's
it's
the
way
that
we
should
try
to
work
together.
And
I
I
support
all
the
the
recommendations.
I
I
think
a
theme
that
did
come
through
throughout
all
the
discussions
was
the
judicial
system
and
the
complete
okay
frustration
of
okay,
the
officers
and
everybody
else
who
had
the
evidence
and
tried
to
not
as
as
a
last
resort,
because
they
do
work.
Council
does
work
okay
with
the
tenants,
but
as
a
last
resort,
to
go
to
the
judicial
system
and
often
not
backed
up.
H
Yeah
thanks
provost,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
apologize
to
council
venison.
If
she
thought
that
I
I
was
saying
that
she
hadn't
followed
the
remit.
I
understand
she
did.
Of
course
she
did.
What
I'm
saying
is.
It
was
a
very
narrow
remit
and
having
cheered,
hag
and
hadn't,
listened
to
the
hag
members.
They've
got
concerns
and,
and
drew
leslie
pointed
out
that
there
are
problems
in
hmos,
etc,
etc.
I
could
go
on
so
please
I,
it
was
not
certainly
wasn't
intended
as
any
way
you
chaired
that
as
understanding.
H
H
That's
been
the
problem
in
the
past
and
it's
it's
very
sad
that
the
judiciary
chose
not
to
attend
your
meetings
but
turning
to
the
sensitive,
letting
it
it
does
work,
and
I
can
give
a
couple
of
good
examples
in
my
own
word:
the
holy
trinity
church.
We
make
sure
that
it's
it's
the
right
type
of
people
in
there
because
of
its
location,
and
if
you
recall,
we
had
difficulties
with
the
flattened
accommodation
at
the
bottom
of
urban
place
and
again
sensitive.
H
Let's
I've
never
had
one
complaint
in
about
seven
or
eight
years,
because
we
were
able
to
to
use
our
powers
as
limited
as
the
where
so
I
I
very
much
welcome
this,
but
it's
it's
just
the
start.
We've
got
to
recognize
that
anti-social,
behavior,
isn't
just
council
tenants
it's
beyond,
and
we've
got
to
do
our
best
to
solve
that
problem
as
well.
Q
AA
So
thank
you
very
much
so
moving
on
to
the
paper
itself
now
this
this
is
not
an
update
which
is
seeking
to
fix
anything.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
see
that
strategically.
This
is
an
evolution
coming
from
the
10-year
strategy,
which
we
already
have
from
the
workforce
strategy.
The
three-year
plan
and
the
target
operating
model
work
which
which
is
ongoing.
So
with
that
in
mind,
this
work
focuses
on
the
strategic
priorities
nationally
locally
thinking
about
the
council
priorities
and
how
we
have
our
resources
and
talent
best
place
to
deliver
on
those.
AA
So
things
that
we've
taken
into
account
are
the
the
recovery
from
the
pandemic.
The
proposal
for
a
national
care
service,
potential
changes
and
educational
establishments
and
curricular
changes
the
national
performance
framework
for
the
promise
and
city
region
deal
just
as
some
examples
internally,
there's
a
need
for
deeper,
faster
transformation.
AA
F
Thank
you
provost.
Can
I
just
ask
for
clarification
on
points
three
and
four
on
the
recommendations,
as
far
as
it
says
that
we
delegate
authority
to
the
chief
office
of
governance
to
make
any
necessary
consequence
of
changes
to
the
scheme
of
delegation
and
goes
on
to
say
and
to
the
contract
standing
orders
and
also
in
the
following
paragraph.
F
F
I
read
it
as
a
about
the
senior
management
update
and
the
kind
of
restructured
move,
which
I
entirely
support
and
agree
with,
but
I
I
I
just
asked
the
question:
what
is
it
that
we're
changing
in
contracts
landing
orders
or
what
powers
are
we
giving
to
the
chief
of
office
of
governance
to
change
current
standing
up
the
contract
standing
orders
and
has
that
got
any
reflection
of
the
decision
that
we
made
earlier?
That
item
eight
or
indeed,
were
made
during
our
discussions
in
december?
The
second
and
ninth.
AA
Carol
yep,
thank
you
councillor,
houston.
I'm
sorry,
julia
probably
will
come
in
predominantly
that
is
an
a
it's
about
nomenclature.
Councillor
houston.
So
all
of
the
governance
documents
have
to
reflect
any
change
in
nomenclature
of
the
posts
or
indeed
the
responsibilities.
So
it's
to
make
sure
that
the
full
suite
of
governance
documents
are
accurate
in
that
regard,
but
I'll
ask
julia
obviously
to
come
in
and
finesse
that
answer.
Thanks.
Julia
julia.
Q
AA
Thank
you,
council
macdonald.
I
think
the
detail
of
all
of
the
changes
are
in
the
body
of
the
report
and
it's
a
it's
a
mixture.
So
there
are
some
a
changes
in
terms
of
reporting
lines.
There
are
changes
in
terms
of
a
couple
of
new
posts,
etc,
all
of
which
is
set
out,
and
there
will
be
an
active,
open
and
external
recruitment
process
for
any
posts
which
are
vacant
and
needed
and
need
an
appointments
panel
and
the
grade
at
which
these
posts
are
will
all
include
elected
members.
M
Thank
you
bro.
It's
just
just
a
plea
on
on
the
changes
to
schema
delegate.
I
know
this
is
a
scheme
of
delegation
and
recommendation
three
but
scheme
of
sub
delegation
recommendation
five.
I'm
pleased
that
it's
gonna
be
circulated
the
financial
regulations,
the
schema
delegation
and
the
contract
standing
orders.
If
any
changes
are
made
to
them,
can
they
be
circulated
to
all
members
with
tracked
changes
please,
so
we
can
see
exactly
what's
been
changed.
AA
B
M
A
I
A
Right,
we'll
do
that,
so
we
have
a
motion
proposed
by
counselor
benny
and
counselor
martin
errol,
counselor,
benny
and
counselor
errol.
Can
I
remind
you
of
the
time
limit
set
out
for
motions
which
is,
namely
five
minutes
for
proposing
emotion,
three
minutes
for
seconding
a
motion
and
three
minutes
for
summing
up
counselor
benny.
Would
you
like
to
propose
your
motion.
L
Yes,
I
will
promise,
then
I
will.
I
will
attempt
to
be
briefer
than
even
five
minutes.
This
is
this.
Is
the
last
formal
council
meeting
that
we
have?
We
do
have
the
special
meeting
this
afternoon.
I
understand
there
is
a
meeting
next
week
where
the
council
meet
is
planning
panel,
but
this
will
be
the
last
item
on
the
formal
council
agenda.
L
I've
got
to
say
it
is
very
difficult
to
find
anybody
who
supports
this,
which
would
have
been
very
clear
to
this
council
when
it
took
that
decision
had
it
consulted
at
the
time,
and
this
motion
is
about
recording
an
apology
to
the
people
of
stumbling
for
not
undertaking
that
consultation
appropriately
there've
been
a
number
of
times
when
this
has
been
raised.
Significant
petitions
have
been
raised
by
the
people
of
sterling,
and
I
think
not
even
by
me,
not
even
by
us.
L
These
were
grassroots
petitions
that
were
brought
up
with
five
and
a
half
to
six
thousand
people
signing
them
across
sterling
petitions
that
I've
set
up.
I've
had
several
thousand
people,
sign
them
as
well,
and
it
just
shows
the
strength
of
feeling
that
people
have
about
this.
It's
still
what
people
are
talking
to
me
about.
It
is
still
something
which
is
live
and
very
much
of
interest
to
people,
and
I
think
it
is
incumbent
upon
us
to
acknowledge
that
something
went
fundamentally
wrong
with
our
policy
making
process.
L
At
that
point,
something
went
fundamentally
wrong
because
we
made
a
major,
significant
change
to
a
service
which
is
affected,
which
is
affects
every
single
resident.
Every
single
householder
in
the
sterling
area
is
affected
by
this
decision,
and
not
once
did
we
go
out
to
public
consultation
to
speak
to
people
about
it
we
may
have.
L
We
did
some
survey,
which
had
some
vague
thing
in
it,
which
I
think
is
a
bit
of
a
a
fig
leaf
which
is
used
occasionally,
but
there
was
never
any
consultation
on
the
idea
of
reducing
the
frequency
of
waste
collection
services
for
the
gray
and
blue
bins,
and
I
think
that
is
something
that
I
feel
ashamed
of,
because
this
council
failed
and
I
think
it's
appropriate
for
us
to
record
an
apology
at
this
stage
at
the
last
meeting
of
the
council.
Thank
you.
Provost.
H
H
It
didn't
work
when
breakdowns
of
the
vehicle
because
of
the
arrangement
the
collection
rates,
went
down
to
75
and
it
was
costing
the
taxpayers
six
hundred
thousand
pound
more
to
collect
waste
that
was
within
12
months
of
the
new
system
coming
in,
by
which
time
the
snp
labor
partnership
had
taken
control
of
the
council,
and-
and
this
is
where
it
gets
interesting-
councillor
berry.
We
set
up
an
all-party
waste
working
group
consisting
of
officers
and
elected
councillors,
myself
councillor
tolomac
of
the
greens,
councillor
gibson
for
labour
and
councillor
of
oxborough
representing
your
party.
H
H
H
Turning
to
the
future,
the
working
group
also
recognized
that
we
have
to
recycle
70
percent
of
our
material
by
2025
three
years
away.
We've
been
stuck
at
54
to
55,
even
with
the
introduce
introduction
of
the
new
system
now
consultation.
Well,
the
council
had
already
agreed
to
adopt
the
scottish
zero-waste
strategy
charter.
It
was
debated
by
your
party
and
approved
at
the
environment
housing
committee
september
2018..
H
What
did
the
charter
say?
We
will
design
our
household
collection
services
to
take
account
of
the
code
of
practice
for
the
variety
of
household
types
and
geography
in
our
community.
What
did
the
court
practice
say?
One
of
the
most
effective
ways
to
encourage
citizens
to
recycle
is
by
restricting
the
volume
of
non-recyclable
material
and
disposal
alongside
effective
recycling
services
for
the
core
materials.
H
You
reduce
the
capacity
provided
for
waste
that
cannot
be
recycled
to
give
the
appropriate
motivation
to
our
citizens
to
recycle.
So
that
was
agreed
again
all
party
it
was
debated
at
the
joint
working
group
latterly,
and
we
arrived
at
the
conclusion
to
meet
that
and
remember.
This
is
best
practice
was
the
four
weekly
collection.
H
Your
representative
council
of
oxford
will
have
known
this,
so
let's
stop
the
pretense.
This
came
out.
The
blue
you've
said
this
before
to
us
and
you
knew
nothing
about
it.
If
you
didn't
know,
it
was
because
council
of
oxborough
didn't
tell
you
turning
to
2025
councillor
benny,
perhaps
in
your
summing
up,
you
can
tell
us
how
you
intend
to
get
recycling
up
to
the
required
70
level,
and
that
really
is
the
reason
for
the
change.
AB
T
Yeah,
thank
you
prophecy,
house.
That's
quite
an
astonishing
display
from
councillor
thompson.
I
thought
he
was
wriggling
and
squirming
and
setting
up
to
mix
metaphors
smoke,
screens
and
red
herrings
all
over
the
place
and
non-sequiturs
absolutely
ridiculous.
We
can
argue
about
the
merits
of
four
weekly
collections
two
week.
Elections
we'll
disagree
on
that
and
that's
that's
all
fair
enough.
That's
not
really
the
points
of
this.
T
This
motion
this
motion
was
about
the
fact
that
there
was
no
consultation
of
the
people
of
sterling
of
the
council
taxpayers
who
were
intimately
affected
by
this
by
this
measure.
So
whatever
the
conservative
group
knew
or
didn't
know,
or
whatever
meetings,
a
particular
counselor
went
to
or
didn't
go
to
is
absolutely
irrelevant
to
this
point.
The
point
is
there
was
no
consultation
of
the
people
of
sterling
who
were
affected
by
this
change.
That
is
the
point,
and
that
is
what
we
should
be
apologizing
for.
A
Q
Thank
you,
I
think
it
we
could
do
this
today
and
actually
apologize
for
something
that
hasn't
actually
saved
any
money
we
actually
consulted
after
the
decision
was
made,
which
is
not
how
you
actually
consult
you.
May
you
do
the
consultation,
then
you
make
the
decision
and
we
never.
We
could
have
consulted
on
potentially
nine
options
and
we
only
ever
explored
this
one
which
I
think
we
should
just
apologize.
Q
AA
AB
Like
groundhog
day,
all
over
again,
isn't
it?
I
think,
we've
all
heard
all
these
comments
before
we've
all
heard
all
these
issues
before
goodness
you'd
think
there's
an
election
coming,
oh
wait!
There
is
so
you
know,
we've
been
through
all
these
these
points
before
you
know,
we
have
taken
the
decisions
that
we've
taken.
Council
thomas,
is
actually
quite
right.
You
know
it
was
the
labour
conservative
administration
that
made
changes
in
2016.
We
didn't
consult
the
public,
then,
on
what
the
changes
were
going
to
be.
AB
There
wasn't
a
great
big
consultation
at
that
time.
There
were
some
problems
with
implementation
at
that
point
in
terms
of
getting
the
delivery
of
bins
out.
I
remember
that
extremely
well,
I'm
sure
counselor
benny
does
as
well,
but
the
key
thing
was
is
that
we
took
the
right
decision
for
the
optimal
system
with
the
right
changes
in
2016
and
we've
taken
the
right
decision
on
the
optimal
system
in
2020
2021
and
we're
seeing
that
in
2022
and
what
we
did
here
there
was
going
to
be.
AB
You
know
the
roof
was
going
to
came
in,
there's
going
to
be
plagues,
of
rats
around
stirling
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
Now
I
haven't
had
any
of
the
those
are
bemoaning
things
tell
me
where
these
supposed
plagues
are
allegedly.
Are
that
we're
supposed
to
be
appearing,
etc,
all
the
all
that
the
doom-mongering
hasn't
come
to
pass
and
I
think,
for
the
most
part,
most
people
have
got
used
to
the
system.
Most
people
can
see.
What's
there,
it
has
obviously
challenged
us
all.
AB
We
knew
it
was
going
to
challenge
us
all
to
reduce
our
waste.
I've.
I've
had
to
meet
that
challenge
myself
and
my
family
all
families
about
to
meet
that
challenge,
because
we
have
picked
up
bins,
fortnightly
for
over
two
decades,
and
the
question
asked
at
the
time
we've
never
ever
ever
had
an
answer
to,
except
that
they
are
now
finally
claiming
what
they're
going
to
do.
The
torah
has
never
told
us
what
they're
going
to
do.
They've
never
ever
heard.
AB
If
they're
going
to
go
back
to
two
weekly
until
shock
horror
there's
an
election
coming,
then
there
is
this
claim
now
during
the
election
campaign.
They
are
going
to
go
back
to
two
weekly
for
how
many
more
decades
would
the
tories
propose
240
liters
lifted
from
every
household
forever.
More
we've
done
it
for
two
decades.
The
trajectory
is
the
other
way
they're
that
they're.
Actually,
you
know
swimming
upstream
on
this
one
and
because
we
all
need
to
be
changing
our
habits.
AB
Any
kind
of
consultation
would
have
given
the
impression
of
some
kind
of
popularity
contest
or
some
vote
that
was
going
to
determine
whether
it
should
or
shouldn't
happen.
You
know
nobody
took
the
decision
on
the
basis
that
we
thought
you
know.
We
all
know
as
councillors.
Don't
we
we
all
know
if
you're
going
to
change
one
thing
and
it's
going
to
cause
a
bit
of
a
issue,
it's
going
to
be
over
the
bins,
because
it's
a
service
that
everybody
gets
for
our
40
000
households
for
our
90
000
residents.
AB
AB
But
the
question
has
to
be:
is
it
the
right
thing
for
now
and
for
the
future?
And
I
think
that
that
is
the
case
unless
anybody's
got
any
other
options
wants
to
be
back
to
proposing
more
landfall,
and
I
see
we've
got
a
couple
of
budget
options
coming
up
later,
so
we,
we
may
well
have
more
groundhog
day
this
afternoon,
provost.
So
I'll
leave
my
remarks
at
that
to
say
we
haven't
consulted
in
the
past
and
councillor
bell
was
talking
about
red
herrings.
AB
I
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
I
actually
wanted
to
agree
with
okay,
the
some
of
the
councillor
thompson's.
Okay,
the
comments.
I
think
he
puts
a
historical
okay
record
of
of
the
waste
collection
in
the
sterling
area
and
for
anybody
to
pretend
that
between
2012
and
2017,
the
waste
collection
was
a
huge
success
in
sterling
is
not
correct.
There
were
a
lot
of
problems
which
had
to
be
addressed
and
interesting.
A
comment
I
have
depending
on
the
result
of
the
council
election.
I
It
was
true
that
options
were
looked
at.
Oh
so
that's
fine!
Council
thompson:
I
have
okay,
okay,
the
no
problem
with
your
okay
record
on
that,
where
we
differ
is
in
what
happened
next,
what
happened
next
was,
it
was
suddenly
and
I,
as
a
counselor
being
on
that
group,
was
not
informed
before
this
council.
It
was
put
to
the
council
that
at
this
stage,
the
option
for
the
full
weekly
collection
would
go.
I
I
It
doesn't
talk
about
what
happened
before.
So
that's
my
thing
and
I
think
going
forward.
We
possibly
could
go
on
an
option
for
three
week:
collection
in
newton
men's,
for
example,
that
council
east
registered
council
have
a
free
week
collection.
I
suspect
they
will
go
to
a
full
weekly
collection,
so
a
free
weekly
collection
could
have
been
a
transition
to
a
full
reflection.
I
I
am
not
convinced
at
the
moment
that
the
education
for
the
public
is
meaning
that
they
are
adopting
it.
I
think
there
are
some
adopting.
I
can
look
up
my
street
when
being
selected
and
the
great
bins
are
full
now
that
could
be
people
who
take
their
excess
material
to
the
recycling
site,
but
there
are
okay
other
areas
instead,
where
the
bull
the
bins
are
overflowing.
I
Now
we're
going
to
the
motion
itself,
I
think
when
we
come
to
council,
we
should
have
motions
that
do
something
for
our
electorate
who
actually
do
something.
So
we
vote
on
a
thing
which
says
we
will
do
a
and
b,
but
do
you
support
a
and
b?
This
motion
effectively
does
nothing
if
this
was
passed
and
I
might
recommend
an
amendment
to
it
in
a
minute.
I
So
I'm
reluctant
to
support
a
emotion
apart
from
the
word
apology,
I
think
it
is
correct
because
there
was
no
prior
without
prior
consultation.
So
if
the
motion
removes
the
word
of
apology
and
notes,
in
effect,
the
council
notes
that
there
was
no
prior
consultation,
then
I
might
support
it.
But
I
think
apology
as
such
means
nothing.
E
Provost,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
just
a
few
things
here.
So
it's
been,
it's
been
suggested.
This
is
purely
election
hearing
by
us
that
we're
only
doing
it
because
of
the
election
coming
up.
So
in
2020
this
was
raised.
You
know
nearly
two
years
before
the
election
was
come
up
and
we've
been
categoric
that
we'll
never
support
it
and
would
overturn
that
on
day.
E
One
which
we
will
what's
also
interesting
is
that
if
you
read
the
manifestos
of
labour
or
the
snp
prior
to
2017,
there's
absolutely
no
mention
that
they're
going
to
slash
waste
collections,
and
I
wonder
why
that
is
well.
Let's,
let's
imagine
I
imagine
they
wouldn't
have
got
elected
if
they
said
well
when
we
come
in
we'll
slash
the
collections.
E
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
going
to
sit
and
listen
to
that.
We're
only
doing
this
because
of
that
in
terms
of
complaints,
maybe
they're
not
reading
their
emails.
I
get
daily
complaints
about
this.
Every
time
I
go
on
social
media
every
time
I
look
at
my
inbox.
There
are
people
complaining
about
this,
so
maybe
it's
a
case
of
they're
not
going
to
complain
to
people
who
aren't
going
to
change
it
effectively
and,
I
suppose,
with
emotion,
we've
done
this
before
we've
tried
in
vain.
E
I
suppose
I
think
it's
a
napoleon
quote:
never
interrupt
your
opponent
when
they're
making
a
mistake,
but
we've
tried
with
the
administration.
We've
tried
our
best
to
try
and
get
them
to
reverse
it.
I
have
never
seen
the
public
more
animated
about
a
local
issue
and
there's
a
there's
a
sense
here
that
well
these
things
just
happened,
but
you
know
what
else
is
happening.
Council
tax
is
going
up.
The
council
tax
has
never
been
hired.
E
People
feel
this
people
see
it
council
taxes
now
very
much
becoming
the
second
bill
of
a
household,
and
yet,
when
people
see
this,
they
see
other
council
areas
that
have
two
weekly
collections,
which
only
has
in
falkirk
that
have
this
and
yet
they're
angry
and
they
want
to
see
change
coming
and
I
suppose
the
there's
in
terms
of
what
was
said
about
you
know:
how
do
you
solve
the
recycling
problem?
Well,
you
don't
slash
collections.
E
If
you
want
to
increase
recycling,
if
you
look
at
the
stats,
we've
got
for
fall
cook,
who
have
a
four
week
collection,
their
cycles
when
they
they've
gone
down
by
five
percent
on
recycling
and
not
to
mention
people
making
more
trips
to
the
tip
and
when
they're
waiting
to
load
it.
The
cars
running
all
this
other
stuff
there.
So
we've
been
very
clear
and
we'll
say
this
on
every
doorstep.
This
will
be
reversed
on
day
one.
If
we
get
elected
and
put
in
administration
happy
to
support
the
the
motion.
M
Thank
you.
Council
said
this
was
not
about
election
and
then
was
just
electioneering
there
for
the
last
30
seconds.
This
motion
is
naked
electioning
and
I'm
fine
with
that.
I
I,
I
think
one
of
the
things
all
23
of
us
need
to
recognize
is
there's
an
election
coming,
and
I
have
seen
the
tories
leaflet
of
saying
what
they
will
do
with
the
win
collections.
That's
fine!
That's
the
place
to
have
the
debate.
Councillor
flanagan
on
the
doorstep.
M
This
motion
is
naked
electioning.
In
its
words,
if
we
can't
agree
that,
then
not
only
we're
just
having
fun
here
with
the
election
hearing,
it's
a
serious
issue
and
we
shouldn't
be
having
fun.
We
shouldn't
be
being
mischievous
with
it.
We
should
be
being
honest
with
the
people
of
sterling.
We've
invested,
hundreds
of
thousands
of
pounds
in
led
street
lights,
for
pulling
solar
panels
on
our
council
house,
roofs,
we're
looking
at
what
we're
investing
in.
M
M
Let's
do
this
is
the
planet
is
dying
and
the
tories
have
no
solution
to
that
and
they're
quite
comfortable
to
keep
collecting
your
bins,
keep
putting
it
in
landfill,
keep
burying
our
waste
and
burying
in
your
heads
in
the
waste.
It's
not
even
burning
your
heads
in
the
sand.
It's
burying
your
heads
in
the
waste
that
you're
collecting,
because
if
we
don't
do
something
radical,
our
kids
and
our
grandkids
are
going
to
be
in
a
hell
of
a
mess.
So
I
just
want
to
make
a
plea
for
the
bigger
picture
here
I
get.
M
F
Thank
you
provost.
I
absolutely
agree
a
blatant
piece
of
election
dating,
probably
because
there's
very
little
else
that
the
tories
have
got
to
offer
the
people
are
silly,
so
so
they
go
for
the
emotional
bit
and
certainly
you
know
a
lot
of
people
signing
petitions
based
on
a
sad
lack
of
knowledge
and
sometimes
based
on
just
the
the
misinformation
which
has
been
spread
by
by
many
counselors.
F
This
wasn't
in
our
election
because
it
was
a
problem
that
emerged
which,
when
you
when
we
took
over
administration-
and
you
saw
the
size
of
the
scale
of
the
problem
that
was
there
and
as
far
as
consultation
goes
well,
you
consult
when
you've
got
options.
What
is
the
option
we're
going
to
ask
about?
Would
you
want
to
switch
to
four
weeks
rather
than
two
weeks?
Well,
that's
like
saying,
would
you
like
a
mini
or
a
rolls
royce?
You
know
I'd
like
a
rolls
royce,
but
I
can
afford
a
mini.
F
So
you
know
it's
the
questions
you
need
to
ask.
So
if
we've
got
officers
experienced
officers
that
are
telling
us
this
is
the
route
to
take
simply,
as
has
been
said
before,
that's
the
route
we
followed
as
previous
administrations
have
done,
so
it
wasn't
to
take
a
let's,
take
a
gentle
step
and
go
for
three
weeks
and
then
see
how
that
goes
and
then
bra
without
an
attention
move
to
four
weeks.
This
was
the
right
thing
to
do.
This
was
the
advice
that
we
were
given
and
the
rationale
for
for
doing
that.
F
So
I
think
it
it.
I
think
it
is
being
accepted
that
it
is
working
now,
there's
still
things
just
to
sort
out
some
of
the
mechanical
breakdowns
that
we're
seeing,
etc.
But
generally
people
are
adopting
the
the
system.
Hopefully
that
will
see
that
as
reduced
landfill
costs
as
well.
So
you
know,
I
think
it's
been.
It's
been
said
that
that
you
know
doing
the
doing
the
right
thing
isn't
always
popular
but
doing
the
popular
thing
isn't
always
right,
and
I
think
what
the
council
has
done.
F
Z
Z
However,
as
went
quiet-
and
you
know
I
probably
get-
I
will
challenge
anybody
to
share
the
emails
that
I
get
when
the
rest
of
them,
so
counts
are
far
against
that
yeah,
and
this
comes
down
a
fundamental
issue
here,
trust
right-
and
I
think
my
the
people
I
represent.
I
know
they'll
trust
that
they're,
saying
peter
think
the
right
decision
here
and
they'll
say
when
it
comes
to
the
lecture.
This
is
electroneum.
Z
You
know
everybody
trusts
you
that
the
party
that
is
just
you
know
universal
credit
for
thousands
of
people,
hundreds
of
american
states
at
the
poverty.
There's
a
partner
introduced
the
bedroom
tax,
the
food,
the
future
cap,
the
boris
johnson
credibility,
who's
actually
going
to
trust
here
in
the
local
election.
They're,
quite
honest,
so
let's
just
see
what
happens
the
people
being
the
prudent.
I
have
saw
the
the
tories
promoting
this
nonsense
survey
on
on
social
media
and
there's
not
getting
any
traction
at
all,
so
it
counts.
S
S
Why
adopt
a
system
where
the
only
other
experience
in
scotland
recycling
rate
has
decreased
and
as
for
as
for
the
reason
for
us
being
to
to
increase
cycling
from
the
june
30th
20
paper,
grain
reuben
frequency
change,
the
key
benefits
that
also
realize
would
be
full
refuel
fuel
refuse
collection,
vehicle
fleet,
fixability,
consistency
of
national
vehicle
and
bin
systems,
improved
route,
completion,
customer
satisfaction,
a
reduction
in
wheel,
bin
and
parts
expenditure.
I'm
not
seeing
key
benefit
is
increasingly
cycling
or
anything
like
that.
So
yeah,
that's
that's!
That's
a
good
heavy
heaven!
D
Thank
you
promise
to
just
a
second
of
the
motion.
I'll
just
speak
briefly.
I
won't
go
over
the
many
many
comments
in
many
areas
that
have
been.
I
would
actually
just
make
the
point
as
councillor
beryl
attempted
to
do
before
we
went
off
down
all
kinds
of
tangents
that
the
motion
is
there
simply
to
ask
the
council
to
accept
it
should
apologize
for
for
the
way
it
conducted
itself
over
this
matter,
and
I
don't
think
there's
anything
wrong
with
that
and
I
I
disagree
with
councillor
tolomash's
point
on
this.
D
Actually,
I
think
everybody
should
recognize
when
they've
got
it
wrong
and
something
as
big
as
radical
change
to
a
basic
service
of
this
nature
without
any
prior
consultation
and
discussion,
and,
as
I
say,
the
the
administration
believe
they
have
had
a
strong
case
for
why
this
was
necessary
and
there
weren't
any
other
realistic
options
available.
Well,
if
we'd
have
had
a
consultation
approach,
you'd
have
a
chance
to
tell
everybody
and
convince
them
and
to
to
make
your
case
not
after
the
fact,
but
before
the
fact
give
people
their
place.
D
They
are
residents
they're,
the
people
that
put
us
here.
They
vote
for
us
or
they
don't
vote
for
us.
They
pay
their
taxes,
their
council,
taxes
and
everything,
and
they
use
the
service
when
you're
doing
something
as
big
as
this
give
them
their
place.
We
also
didn't
take
the
opportunity
to
call
upon
the
well
of
knowledge
and
interest
and
expertise
in
many
places
that
exists
within
the
people
of
stirling,
so
rather
than
present
them
with
a
fate
accompli.
This
is
our
officers
have
told
her.
This
is
the
only
way
to
go.
D
I
C
V
B
A
H
B
A
A
I
H
Yeah
please
thanks
provost.
I
have
a
couple
of
corrections
to
make
to
some
of
the
comments
that
have
been
made,
but
you
know
what
do
we
go
and
consult
on?
It's,
not
everything
in
sterling
council
and
the
point
was
already
made
back
in
2016
when
there
was
major
changes
made
to
the
the
bin
collection.
We
didn't
go
out
and
consult
because
it
was
the
right
thing
to
do
so.
We're
going
to
be
very
careful.
H
We
can
consult
on
every
single
decision
that
sterling
council
takes
and
we
get
the
sensitivity
of
of
of
the
the
bin
collection.
Everybody
has
their
bins
collected.
So
everybody
has
a
point
of
view,
but
counselor
earl,
the
code
of
practice,
we're
using
best
practice,
that's
been
approved
by
cosla,
has
been
approved
by
zero
waste
scotland.
It's
been
approved
by
our
own
council,
it's
been
approved
by
perth
and
kim
ross,
which
you
run
and
I'll
remind
you
that
person
can
ross
offer
you
less
bin
capacity
for
four
weeks
than
sterling.
H
H
H
H
Clovid
has
hit
every
single
council,
including
ours,
and
we're
recovering.
If
you
go
and
look
at
the
statistics
from
the
last
environment
housing
committee,
you
can
see
it's
beginning
to
work.
So,
yes,
we
could.
We
could
go
out
to
consult,
but
we
can't
do
it
in
every
occasion.
With
adopted
best
practice,
I
propose
the
direct
negative.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
provost.
I
I
think
council
earl,
I
I
didn't
realize
councillor
was
running
perth
in
kenmore's
game.
So
I'm
sure
that's,
that's!
That's
quite
entertaining
it's
a
little
promotion
for
him.
I
don't
know
if
the
pay's
better.
I
think
this
comes
down
to
a
fundamental
question
about
whether
we
should
be
doing
things
to
people
or
whether
we
should
be
doing
things
with
people.
L
Now
there
are
some
occasions
when
we
make
decisions
where
we
don't
need
to
consult,
and
you
know
those
are
very
small
technical
changes
and
all
the
rest
of
it
when
it
is
something
fundamental
to
how
services
are
delivered
with
as
long
term
a
process
as
we're
talking
about
with
regards
to
waste
services,
it
is
more
appropriate
to
consult
now
by
consultation,
I'm
not
talking
about,
because
counselors
is
absolutely
right.
If
you
put
this
out
to
a
referendum,
I'm
not
just
going
to
vote
for
it.
L
I
have
enough
confidence
in
the
people
of
sterling
that
they
will
engage
with
that
in
a
positive
way.
I
have
enough
confidence
in
the
skills
and
the
experiences
of
the
people
of
stalin
that
they
would
have
something
positive
and
useful
to
say
to
that
process.
I
do
not
believe
we
should
be
cutting
people
out.
I
do
not
believe
that
people
are
saying
that
they're
against
this,
because
they're
ignorant
or
because
they're
stupid.
L
I
think
that
people
are
saying
that
they're
against
this,
because
they've
never
had
to
explain
to
them
why
this
is
happening.
They've
never
been
spoken
to
about
it.
They've
never
been
asked
what
kind
of
waste
service
would
you
like
to
see,
and
that
promised
is
why
the
council
has
got
this
so
egregiously
long.
It
is
an
outstanding
problem
that
we
did
not
take
the
time
and
take
the
effort
to
go
out
and
speak
to
people
about
these
changes.
Whether
you
agree
with
the
changes
or
not
is
almost
irrelevant.
Z
L
Is
right
that
we
should
apologize
now,
councillor
ptolemash's
amendment?
I
don't
agree
with,
because
it
is
right
that
we
apologize
when
they,
when
this
council
gets
something
wrong,
as
it
has
done
in
this
case
it
should
apologize
and
promise.
I
hope
to.
I
hope
that
people
will
vote
for
the
motion
and
reject
the
amendment
and
make
sure
this
council
puts
on
record
x
apology
to
the
council
taxpayers
and
to
the
residents
and
citizens
of
this
town
for
getting
it
so
wrong.