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From YouTube: Special Council Meeting 21-10-2021
Description
A Special Meeting of Stirling Council broadcast live on Microsoft Teams.
The agenda can be viewed online at: https://www.stirling.gov.uk/media/24068/councilspecialagenda.pdf
0:00 Stream start
09:27 Meeting start
1:02:30 Adjournment
1:25:47 Return from adjournment
C
Thank
you
good
afternoon.
This
is
a
special
meeting
of
sterling
council.
Thank
you
to
everyone
for
attending.
First,
a
brief
statement
on
the
protocols
we
will
be
following
during
this
remote
meeting.
Please
note
that
this
meeting
is
being
broadcast
live
and
will
be
available
for
public
viewing
following
the
meeting
members
and
service
managers
should
activate
their
cameras.
C
C
C
The
time
limits
for
speaking
are
set
out
in
the
standing
orders
as
follows:
five
minutes
for
proposing
a
mission,
a
motion,
three
minutes
for
seconding
a
motion
and
three
minutes
for
summing
up.
Also,
can
I
remind
you
that
members
will
be
allowed
two
questions
to
officers
for
each
report
and
that
a
follow-up
question
counts?
As
a
second
question,
I
will
now
ask
the
clerk
to
carry
out
a
roll
call
of
the
elected
members
participating
in
today's
meeting.
D
E
E
D
Councillor
macpherson
submits
apologies,
councillor
maduri,
president
spencer,
I'm
here
chancellor
mcgill.
H
D
J
Thank
you
robert.
It's
bruce
ricky
senior
manager
for
environment
and
place.
Firstly,
before
I
go
into
the
actual
report,
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
an
error
in
the
report.
At
1.16
it
was
stated
that
emergency
access
had
been
maintained
after
may,
that
statement
should
have
been
put
in
after
february.
J
Emergency
access
was
maintained
after
the
february
date,
but
following
the
further
assessment
in
may,
and
the
bridge
was
completely
closed
to
all
traffic,
including
emergency
vehicles,
in
terms
of
the
report
as
well,
and
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
the
officers
are
very
aware
of
the
hardship
that
the
closure
of
the
vital
routes,
both
carter,
burn
and
brian
shugal
are
causing
to
both
the
local
community
and
obviously
local
businesses
as
well.
J
As
you
can
see
from
the
report,
the
aim
of
the
report
is
to
provide
an
update
in
relation
to
the
contract
of
the
build
branchogo
bridge
which
suffered
a
partial
parapet
collapse.
Following
a
period
of
heavy
rainfall
back
in
february
of
this
year,
and
obviously
the
proposals
to
repair
the
carter
burn
bridge
which
suffered
the
parapet
collapse
in
late
september
of
this
year
as
well
as
I
highlighted,
both
bridges
are
currently
closed
and
causing
destruction,
not.
J
We
have
had
costs
submitted
by
a
contractor
through
the
road
service
framework,
and
we
are
continuing
to
clarify
some
of
the
costs
and
some
of
the
programme
in
relation
to
that
as
well,
but
we
hopefully
will
bring
that
to
conclusion
within
the
coming
weeks
in
terms
of
catabolism,
it
had
been
identified
previously
that
parapets
had
insufficient
vehicle
containment
and
therefore
temporary
barriers
had
been
installed
to
narrow
the
road
to
a
single
lane
at
the
bridge
location,
as
I
mentioned.
J
Unfortunately,
the
parapet
wall
collapsed
on
the
30th
september
this
year
and
obviously
the
bridge
has
been
closed
to
all
users,
including
recreational
users
as
well
consultant
engineers
have
already
been
on
site
to
undertake
an
assessment
of
the
the
catheter
burn,
bridge,
structure
and
they've
been
engaged
to
carry
out
all
necessary
inspections,
including
environmental
topographical
surveys.
In
order
to
produce
detailed
designs
for
repair.
J
It's
intended
that
that
will
actually
go
out
on
the
25th
of
this
month
and
that
will
be
followed
by
contractor
information
session,
which
will
provide
the
opportunity
to
share
high-level
project
information,
identify
and
discuss,
project
risks
and
develop
mitigation
strategies
before
the
tender
is
published
also
as
well,
and
the
diversion
route
that
we're
using
is
obviously
going
to
have
an
impact
on
balfour
active
places
scheme
as
well.
J
Due
to
the
branch
hugo
carter
burn
bridge
closures,
each
tvs
are
unable
to
utilize
the
a81
diversion
due
to
the
presence
of
a
low
bridge
and
to
avoid
longer
diversions
for
local
residents
and
businesses.
It
is
proposed
that
the
phase
two
of
the
scheme
be
postponed
until
autumn
of
next
year
and
that
it
would
be
combined
with
the
phase
three
works
which
are
already
planned
to
be
undertaken
in
terms
of
22
23..
J
In
terms
of
funding
on
the
16th
of
july
this
year,
a
fund,
a
bid,
sorry
was
submitted
to
the
scottish
government,
local
bridge
maintenance
fund.
This
bid
included
an
estimated
bid
of
250
000
pounds
for
the
branchogo
bridge
repairs
and
an
estimated
bid
of
five
hundred
thousand
for
the
catterburn
bridge
repair
as
well.
J
Therefore,
the
report
is
asking
for
authorization
for
the
additional
expenditure
of
the
sum
of
1.5
million
pounds
such
sums
to
be
taken
from
reserves
and
added
to
the
existing
major
bridges
capital
budget.
J
Note
that
the
outcome
of
the
procurement
processes
for
both
bridges
and
the
projected
cost
to
the
council
and
any
other
pertinent
updates
will
be
reported
back
to
members
via
briefing
notes.
When
information
becomes
available
and
note
that
officers
will
bring
back
a
report
to
council
at
its
december
meeting
to
provide
a
further
update
and,
lastly,
to
approve
the
carry
forward
of
120
000
pounds
from
the
approved
bathroom
active
places,
scheme
budget
to
financial
year
2223,
subject:
agreement
by
sustrans
to
extend
their
grant
funding
period.
K
Hi
bruce
thanks
for
that.
Just
two
quick
questions:
can
you
just
explain
point
1.2.1
how
the
the
caterpillar
bridge
was
assessed
at
46
and
I've
forgotten
that,
where
that
sits
in
the
scale
of
bridge
bridge
quality,
but
the
zoom
is
quite
far
down
and
yet
the
bridge
remained
open
for
some
time
and
and
no
major
repairs
were
proposed
to
it.
J
Thank
you,
council
davis,
in
terms
of
the
the
questions
here,
the
indices
for
the
catterburn
bridge,
so
I'm
just
scrolling
through
the
report
here
in
terms
of
that
scoring
that
related,
obviously
the
46
to
the
main
structural
items
on
the
bridge
and
so
some
of
the
the
main
spandrels
arch,
etc.
When
that
had
been
assessed,
we'd
obviously
narrowed
down
the
actual
width
on
the
bridge.
To
take
account
of
that,
we
were
also
we
when
we'd
looked
at
those
scorings
as
well.
J
We'd
actually
started
to
to
engage
with
consultants,
we're
actually
a
prf
in
place
to
actually
start
to
engage
with
consultants
to
undertake
the
work.
Unfortunately,
obviously
we
we
suffered
that
bridge
collapse
on
the
30th
september,
and
so
we're
now
obviously
into
the
the
current
situation
that
we
find
ourselves
in
at
this
point
point
in
time
in
terms
of
the
general
inspections
for
both
bridges.
J
What
I
would
say
is
that,
in
terms
of
the
scorings,
both
of
them
were
in
the
sort
of
fair
category
within
the
bci
indices
as
well.
In
relation
to
the
blaine
smitty
bridge
that
you
mentioned,
I
don't
have
that
information
to
hand
but
I'll
bring
in
my
colleague
maria.
I
don't
know
if
she
actually
has
that
information
to
hand
either,
but
if
not
council
davis
is
certainly
something
that
we
can
provide.
You
with
maria.
L
Can
you
hear
me
promise?
Yes,
could
you
produce
yourself
and
say
your
job
title?
Please
apologize
marie
lucy
bridges,
drainage
and
flooding
team
leader
sterling
council.
I
do
have
the
work
prioritization
sheet
in
front
of
me,
which
does
contain
the
bci
average
and
the
bci
critical
it
was
it
stopped
functioning
for
a
second
there.
I
think
my
machine
was
having
some
difficulty,
so
I'm
going
to
check
the
scoring.
N
Thank
you
provost.
My
question,
like
councillor
david
says,
was
about
the
the
current
condition
of
the
bridges
on
the
diversion
route,
but
I'd
like
to
pick
up
maria
lucy's
point
about
that
score
of
39
for
the
blaine
bridge.
That
sounds
alarming.
Can
you
elaborate
about
that?
Please.
L
So
that
critical
element
store
score
is
low,
it
is
in
the
poor
category
and
it
work
is
prioritized
based
on
the
work
bank,
the
the
the
items
we
re
received
back
from
our
bridge
inspections,
so
the
workbank
items
identified
in
that.
However,
it
is
also
based
on
the
average
bci
score
and
the
critical
bci
sore
off
structure.
So
work
is
still
based
on
that
prioritization.
There
are
items
and
structures
that
have
slightly
lower
scoring
than
blind
water.
L
O
Yeah,
thank
you
sorry,
trying
to
unmute
myself
yeah.
Actually
I
had
a
couple
of
questions,
but
I'm
going
to
try
and
follow
up
with
maria
about
the
blaine
bridge,
which
sounds
extremely
alarming.
O
Could
you
translate
that
score
and
give
us
a
layman's
account
of
what
that
means
for
the
condition
of
that
bridge,
because,
of
course,
with
the
other
bridges
with
with
the
diversion
routes
in
place,
many
more
vehicles
and
heavy
vehicles
are
using
that
bridge
daily.
So
I
would
suggest,
with
any
damage
in
any
deterioration,
is
going
to
be
accelerated
because
of
the
vehicles
making
use
of
the
diversion
routes.
So
I
mean
more
alarm
than
I
was
before
the
meeting
now.
L
So
from
from
what
I
can
see
on
just
looking
at
the
very
brief
spreadsheet
that
I'm
looking
at
I'm
not
looking
at
inspection
reports
etc,
and
each
of
the
different
arches
of
the
structure
have
been
inspected
separately
and
the
flood
art,
for
example,
and
the
overflow
artist
inspected
separately-
and
I
do
know
on
the
there-
is
some
issues
with
the
art.
So
critical
element
relates
to
the
elements
that
really
kind
of
make
the
bridges
end
up,
so
things
like
the
the
piers,
the
abutments,
the
arches
etc.
L
So
there
obviously
is
some
some
defects
within
those
elements.
There
is
some
cracking
within
those
elements
which
is
which
has
obviously
caused
that
that
poor
scoring
you
know
not
all
our
cracks
are
negative
things.
Not
all
differential
settlement
is
negative.
Sometimes
movement
is
required
within
the
structure,
so
items
have
been
identified
and
most
recent
inspection
has
been
undertaken
on
the
first
of
october
at
that
location
and
so
I've,
yet
to
see
the
outputs
for
that
inspection
and
and
the
revised
scoring
associated
with
that.
So
I
would.
L
I
would
wish
to
see
that
before
making
further
comment.
L
C
L
O
L
I'm
happy
to
take
that
I'm
happy
to
take
that
it
is
comprehensive
repairs
to
both
structures
so
that
we
have
the
best
possible
asset
for
use
for
the
community
for
a
number
of
years
to
come.
So,
yes,
on
both
of
those
fronts.
L
G
Thank
you
province,
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
how
we
got
here
I
mean
to
have
one
bridge
collapse
is
an
accident,
a
second
one
is
coincidence,
but
for
a
third
one,
it's
careless
and
we
did
lose
a
bridge
in
lockhearn
head
that
had
to
be
rebuilt,
there's
also
other
bridges
in
our
wards
and
infrastructure
that
we
we're
concerned
about,
and
I
would
like
to
understand
not
only.
How
did
we
get
here
into
this
situation?
G
J
Thanks
council
macdonald
that
said,
bruciaki
senior
manager
for
environment
and
in
place.
I
can
give
you
that
categorical
reassurance.
It
was
certainly
not
careless
with
our
bridge
structures,
council,
macdonald
and
there
have
been
resourcing
issues
within
within
the
team.
J
However,
what
we've
been
doing
over
the
the
past
few
months
is
ensuring
that
we
can
bring
external
resources
and
to
support
us
both
in
terms
of
undertaking
the
inspections
that
are
required
throughout
the
through
the
network,
but
also
to
further
support
the
team
as
well
and
obviously
with
the
the
loss
of
of
carterband
and
branchogo
bridges.
The
the
team
members
are
absolutely
focused
in
terms
of
those
those
bridge
structures
and
we've
sought,
support
and
we're
fast
tracking.
J
That
resource
will
also
be
kept
on
further
than
just
checking
those
structures
and
we'll
also
be
checking
other
priority
structures
and
across
the
sterling
council
area
as
well,
and
so
that
we
are
absolutely
up
to
speed
and
in
terms
of
our
general
inspections.
G
I'll
draw
my
comment
about
the
potential
of
the
council
looking
careless,
but
I
I
am
concerned
about
about
these
structures
and
I
think
the
public
will
be
as
well.
So
I
appreciate
the
reassurance.
Thank
you.
P
P
Some
of
them
can
be
up
to
40
tons
and
I'm
just
seeking
assurance
that,
when
a
these
works
are
undertaken,
that
they
will
strengthen
the
bridge
so
that
a
hgv
vehicles
can
basically
be
a
be
accommodated
on
these
bridges,
because
I'm
obviously
aware
that
they
weren't
constructed
for
a
for
such
vehicles
and
they've
obviously
contributed
to
the
to
the
damage
over
time,
and
I
was
just
seeking
assurance
that
there
will
be
engineering
works
to
take
into
account
the
modern
usage
of
of
the
of
these
bridges
to
take
into
account
these
heavy
vehicles.
J
Thanks,
council
farmer,
and
just
to
provide
that
reassurance
that
both
in
terms
of
traffic
volumes
and
traffic
loadings
very
much,
the
bridges
will
be
designed
in
relation
to
sort
of
modern
day.
Traffic
needs
as
well
I'll.
Maybe
ask
just
maria,
maybe
just
to
give
a
little
more
of
a
technical
response
in
relation
to
that
as
well.
Maria.
L
Bruce
and
his
response
wrecked
in
that
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
repair
is
so
extensive
for
branches
was
because
we
are
bringing
it
to
modern
standard
to
ensure
that
that
load
carrying
capacity
is
there
and
equally
with
catterburn.
The
proposal
for
repair,
etc
would
be
with
that
again
that
that
maximum
load
carrying
capacity.
A
Thank
you
provost
and
sorry
provost.
I
probably
should
have
declared
at
the
beginning
that
I
am
also
the
msp
for
the
starling
constituency
and
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
for
bruce
or
maria,
and
I
note,
under
the
reserve
implications
resource
implications
section
that
you
have
said
that
you've
submitted
seven
applications
to
the
scottish
government
for
capital
funding.
A
J
J
Obviously
that
you
know
if,
if
we
were
to
receive
the
funding,
that
would
obviously
have
to
be
prioritized
in
relation
to
the
other
works
that
we
were
undertaking
at
this
point
in
time
and
obviously
some
of
that
funding
may
actually
contribute
to
caterpillar
and
and
branch
bridges
as
well.
So
really
it's
a
case
of
wait
and
see
from
the
scottish
government
perspective
in
terms
of
what
funding
is
made
available
and
how
the
split
of
that
funding
occurs
both
this
financial
year
and
next
financial
year.
J
As
I
say,
scottish
government
have
indicated
that
they
will
be
making
that
announcement
very
very
shortly
and
obviously,
once
we
receive
confirmation,
we'll,
certainly
let
them
elected
members
know
at
the
quickest
opportunity.
Maria
can
maybe
hand
over
to
you
for
the
the
second
question
from.
L
In
terms
of
the,
I
guess,
the
reason
for
the
the
poor
scoring
of
the
structural
stock,
the
requirement
for
for
repairs,
I
would
say
that
the
structures
that
we
submitted,
that
funding
application
for
would
need
short
to
medium
term
action
and
do
need
repairs
and
they
are
on
our
priority
list,
and
that
is
why
they
have
been
submitted
as
part
of
this
lifeline
fund.
L
So
they
do
need
immediate
or
failure
immediate
action,
I
would
say
a
number
of
them
in
terms
of
the
reason
for
for
a
number
of
our
structures
being
in
in
a
poor
condition.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
masonry
arch
structures
in
our
bridge
stock.
They
have
been
in
use
and
constructed
with
obviously
num
a
good
number
of
years.
They
are
masonry
art
by
their
nature,
their
stone
structures,
many
of
them
sandstone,
like
hatter
burn,
which
don't
react
well
to
to
water
ingress.
L
L
It
got
you
up
a
certain
amount
out
of
the
water
then
to
to
make
that
that
bridging
on
in
terms
of
road
level,
a
lot
of
sort
of
random
rubble
clay
material
was
was
placed
on
top
of
that
arch
and
again,
we
don't
know
those
properties
once
water
ingress
gets
in,
that
material
doesn't
behave
very
well
with
with
water
and
so
and
it
increases
the
loading
within
the
structure.
So
the
age
of
the
structure
is
the
material
type
and
the
way
in
which
they
were
built.
I
J
Don't
say
councillor
tolmash
in
in
terms
of
the
the
risk
register.
Our
assets
are
obviously
enlisted
as
part
of
our
operational
risk
register
in
terms
of
the
deal
and
obviously
the
general
inspections
and
other
inspections
that
we
carry
out
in
our
structures
are
used
to
prioritize
that
so
that
that
bci
scoring
indices
as
well
in
relation
to
the
actual
inspections,
both
general
and
and
principal,
and
they
are
defined
by
a
code
of
a
practice
which
actually
defines
how
and
when
those
should
actually
be
carried
out
with.
J
L
So,
just
to
confirm
what
bruce
has
said
there,
the
industry-wide
standard
is
to
undertake
the
inspections,
general
inspections
every
two
years,
principal
inspections,
every
three
years.
That
is
the
the
standard,
and
that
is
what
we
aim
to
do
internally.
I
Yes,
okay
thanks,
you
just
said:
that's
what
you
I
aim
to
do.
Is
the
council
up
to
date
with
it
inspections
is
a
backlog.
L
So
I
would
say
in
terms
of
general
inspection,
there's
perhaps
a
backlog
of
12
months,
so
we
are
a
little
behind,
but
we
are
kind
of
holding
a
steady
state
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
Despite
a
lot
of
of
of
issues,
we
have
been
holding
a
steady
state
in
terms
of
not
falling
any
further
behind.
I
would
say
we're
probably
about
a
year
behind
in
our
general
inspections
and
principal
sections,
do
all
need
undertaking
we've
undertaken
last
year
we
undertake
took
about
50
inspections
in
the
previous
year
about
10
inspections.
L
So
principal
inspections
are
required,
approximately,
I
would
say,
60
years,
so
those
are
something
which
we
have
commissioned
and
will
be
undertaking
this
year's
principal
inspections
later
later
this
year.
Thank.
F
Thank
you
promise
just
two
questions.
If,
for
me,
one
was
about
the
bridges
which
are
now
bearing
the
additional
traffic
due
to
the
diversions,
have
we
got
telltales
or
whatever
other
instrument
implementation
can
be
used
to
measure
the
increased
loads
and
increase
work?
That's
going
across
those
bridges
to
give
us
any
indication
of
of
potential
problems.
That
was
one
the
other
one
was
financial.
F
If
the
the
government
is
then
giving
us
that
grant,
could
I
assume
that
the
750
000
will
go
back
into
reserves,
because
you're
asking
us
to
to
take
out
1.5
million
from
this
from
reserves
to
pay
for
this?
Is
that
correct
is
some
of
that
replenished
because
you've
already
included
in
your
bid,
750
000
for
those
two
bridges?
Thank
you.
J
That's
councillor
houston
in
in
terms
of
the
diversion
route
we
have
somewhere
in
the
region
of
about
100
structures
of
varying
sort
of
sizes
and
scales
along
the
diversion
routes.
At
this
point
in
time,
what
we
are
undertaking
at
this
point
in
time
is
that
we've
had
officers
out
looking
at
a
number
of
those
those
structures
to
give
us
that
information
and
intelligence
in
terms
of
how
that
they're
performing
on
that
diversion
route.
We've
undertaken
about
15.
J
But
that
will
give
us
that
information
that
you've
correctly
highlighted
in
terms
of
the
the
funding
situation
and
certainly
that,
yes,
it's
a
very
sort
of
variable
position
at
this
point
in
time,
we've
obviously
submitted
those
funding
bids
for
these
two
bridges
to
the
tune
of
750
000
pounds,
and
certainly,
if
we
were
successful
in
obtaining
that
funding,
then
certainly
the
reserve
position
would
be
put
back
so
750
000
would
return
back
into
reserves
at
that
point
in
time.
J
M
Q
Thanks
yeah,
I
I
I
think
I
like
council,
mcdonald's,
I'd
like
to
understand
how
we
got
here,
because
I
think
you
know
what's
being
proposed
here
today
is-
is
probably
quite
a
an
a
a
straightforward
and
amicable
solution
to
what
is
a
a
particular
catastroph,
particularly
castrostrophic,
failure
of
a
major
piece
of
our
infrastructure,
and
I
suppose,
I'd
like
to
understand
this
in
the
context
of
the
stalin
council.
Road
asset
management
plan
is
now
a
year
out
day
and
then
I
understand
we're
supposed
to
be
preparing
a
bridge
asset
management
plan.
Q
I'd
like
to
understand,
first
of
all,
in
the
context
of
what
was
being
said
about
the
the
the
the
analysis
of
the
the
the
bridges
state,
and
I
think
I
know
we
spoke
about
this.
The
other
day
bruce
you,
you
sort
of.
Like
said
there
was
a
300
knot,
figure
of
how
many
bridges
there
were
there's
a
there
are
a
lot
of
bridges
in
the
stalin
district
area.
Q
I'd
like
to
understand
what
is
the
the
process
whereby
we
get
the
three
phases
of
that
data
gathering
correct
where
we
do
the
analysis.
We
do
the
data
gathering
for
the
the
asset
management
plan.
We
we
maintain
that
data
and
we
analyze
it
and
allow
it
to
inform
our
strategic
plans,
because
I
can't
say
that
I've
ever
seen
a
bridge
asset
management
survey
or
I
even
looked
at
the
road
asset
management
plan
in
the
run-up
to
the
last
capital
budget.
Q
Can
you
can
you
speak
to
how
we
deal
with
that?
The
the
the
the
processing
of
data
to
get
to
a
situation
where
we
as
a
council
can
take
strategic
decisions.
J
Yeah
thanks
counselor
benny
in
terms
of
how
we
got
here,
if
you
like,
you,
you're,
absolutely
correct.
We
have
somewhere
in
the
region
of
about
325
structures,
however,
that
that's
just
sort
of
of
varying
sizes
and
degrees
from
you
know:
major
bridges
like
stevenson's
bridge
and
bottom,
your
underpass
within
sterling
down
to
maybe
small
culverts,
drains
etc
as
well,
but
they're
all
classed
as
structures
and
will
form
the
basis
of
our
asset
management
plan.
J
What
we've
looked
at
is
over
the
past
few
years
we
have
had
difficulty
in
filling
bridge
engineer
rules,
and
that
is
not
something
that
is
unique
to
the
sterling
council.
That
is
an
issue,
and
that
is
across
the
industry.
At
this
point
in
time,
both
in
terms
of
recruitment
and
in
terms
of
retention,
as
well
as
maria
was
talking
about
the
the
fundamental
building
block
of
what
we
do
is
the
the
general
inspections
and
the
the
principal
inspections
as
well.
J
The
way
that
we've
put
this
out
to
the
the
market
is
to
ensure
that
we
actually
ensure
that
we
are
attaining
to
that
code
of
practice
standard
as
well,
both
in
terms
of
the
time
scales
and
the
undertaking
of
both
those
general
general
and
principal
inspections.
J
Those
inspection
results
will
be
the
absolute
driver
for
our
bridge
asset
management
plan,
which
has
already
been
drafted
at
this
point
in
time.
J
The
intention
is
that
that
bridge
asset
management
plan
will
come
to
a
future
environment
and
housing
committee,
and
certainly
before
budget
considerations
as
well,
because
absolutely
the
the
asset
management
plan
and
the
management
of
those
assets
absolutely
have
to
drive
both
our
revenue
and
our
capital
budgets
as
well,
and
we
need
to
furnish
elected
members
with
that
information.
Q
And
I
mean
the
there's:
there's
quite
a
lot
to
unpack
there
bruce
because
I
mean
I
I
did
have
a
glance
at
the
old
role,
says:
road
asset
management
plan
and
had
a
look
at
the
the
the
council's
sort
of
staff,
staffing
strategy,
et
cetera
and
and
short
season.
This
particular
professional
field
have
been
identified
for
quite
a
number
of
years.
This
isn't
something
which
has
happened
in
the
last
two
years:
it's
not
a
povid
or
a
brexit
thing.
Q
It's
something
that's
been
happening
for
well
at
least
six
years,
because
that's
the
kind
of
lifespan
of
the
previous
ramp,
I'm
sure
it
was
in
the
previous
one
before
that
as
well,
because
I
can't
remember
a
time
when
there
wasn't
a
problem
getting
roads
and
structural
engineers
in
the
spelling
council,
and
I
suppose
I'm
I'm
looking
for
some
sort
of
assurance
that
we
are
at
least
trying
to
solve
this
problem,
because
it
it's
been
around
for
so
long
that
we
could
have
trained
someone
up
by
now.
Q
You
know
that
that's
how
it
works
in
my
head.
It's
like
well
actually,
if
we've
known
about
this
problem
for
six
years,
because
they've
taken
someone
straight
out
of
the
universe
to
clean
them,
up,
paid
them
well,
bought
them
and
kept
them,
and
you
know
I
mean
I
know
that
you've
always
got
likes
and
jacobs
and
other
companies
sitting
in
the
wings
waiting
to
hire
people.
Q
But
I
I'd
like
to
understand,
what's
being
done,
to
try
and
address
that
situation
and
these
structural
problems
that
we
have
within
our
strategic
objectives
here,
because
it
it
does
feel
very
much
like
we're
not
getting
there
with
us.
J
J
We've
lost
staff
more
recently
as
well,
because
of
that
situation
sort
of
earlier
this
year
we
had
to
look
at
it
and
said:
well,
we
actually
need
to
become
much
more
of
a
commissioning
authority
in
relation
to
our
bridge
inspections,
so
hence
the
reason
that
we
went
out
to
some
of
our
term
consultants
to
say
here's
a
package
of
work
that
we
require
for
both
general
general
inspections
and
principal
inspections
as
well,
because
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
information
and
that
information
is
absolutely
driving
our
asset
management
plan,
and
you
know
for
me,
I
think,
that's
probably
where
we're
going
to
be
for
the
next
three
to
five
years,
in
terms
of
where
the
market
place
is
at
this
point
in
time,
but
you
know
we
can
contract
that
service.
E
Thank
you
promised
you
may
be
aware:
I've
been
having
connection
problems
where
it
seemed
to
be
okay
at
the
moment,
but
I
I've
not
heard
all
the
questions,
so
my
questions
could
have
already
been
asked.
So
please,
let
me
know
if
they
have,
but
my
first
one
is
follows
on
from
councillor
houston's
point
about
the
the
1.5
million.
So
in
the
recommendations
we
are
authorizing
the
additional
capital
expenditure
of
the
sum
of
not
up
to
of
the
sum
of
1.5
million.
E
So
my
question
is
is
if
we
don't
need
all
that
1.5
million
because
of
final
cost
figures
and
or
money,
hopefully
coming
in
through
the
scott
gov
grant
scheme
that
we've
applied
for
rather
than
go
back
into
reserves.
Would
that
now
we've
authorized
the
expenditure?
Could
that
not
be
used
to
support
other
urgent
bridge
repairs
across
the
sterling
council
area?
That
will
we
will
be
coming
to
through
the
bridge
asset
management
plan?
E
D
I'm
just
noticing
that
jim
boyle
chief
finance
officer
has
got
his
hand
up
again.
I
think
he's
had
it
up
earlier
too.
He
may
wish
to
answer.
Thank.
R
R
R
It
may
be
that
that
through
1.5
million
pounds
is
not
required,
and
we
would
obviously
want
to
manage
that
between
now
and
then
the
financial
year,
depending
on
the
outcome
of
some
of
these
uncertainties,
if
the
council
is
minded
to
to
put
funding
towards
any
other
bridges
or
structures,
then
that
that
would
be
for
the
council
to
determine,
but
but
this
this
proposal
specifically
towards
these,
these
these
two
bridges
and
and
and
that
1.5
should
possibly
say
up
to
1.5
depending
on
the
outcome
of
these,
these
other
uncertainties,
but
but
what
we
need
to
do
obviously
is
to
create
that
budget
now,
so
the
officers
then
have
the
authority
to
proceed
with
the
tendering
in
the
award
and
then
the
delivery
of
the
works.
R
E
Can
I
thanks?
Thank
you
jim.
Can
I
just
come
back
on
that
slightly
that
the
actual
recommendation
is
authorizing
the
expenditure
of
1.5
million
to
be
taken
from
reserves
and
added
to
the
existing
major
bridges
capital
budget.
It
does
not
say
it's
being
used
specifically
for
its
only
can
be
used
for
the
caterpillar
and
branch
ogle
bridges.
That
may
be
the
intention,
but
the
recommendation
doesn't
say
that
nowhere
in
the
recommendations
does
it
say
that
it's
to
be
only
spent
on
those
two
bridges.
C
We'll
move
on
to
comments
when
we're
getting
to
debate
councillor
benison
councillor,
thompson.
H
Yeah,
I
suppose
it's
one
for
jim
boyle
as
well,
here
jim
we're
we're
asking
for
1.5
million
pound
and,
of
course,
we
know
the
marketplace
at
the
minute,
prices
are
going
through
the
roof
availability
of
contractors
etc.
What?
If,
in
fact
it's
not
1.5
and
it's
2
million
pound,
I
I
take
it.
We
will
then
have
to
come
back
and
ask
for
more
money
either
through
council
or
a
special
council
meeting.
R
Yeah
so
so
we'd
clearly
have
the
tender
process
to
to
undertake
and
you're
right.
There
have
been
difficulties
in
the
in
the
market
supply
chain
issues,
increased
prices,
lack
of
availability
of
materials
etc.
So
it
may
well
be
that
when
that
attended
process
runs
its
course
that
the
the
final
bill
for
this
may
be
greater.
B
R
That
we've
also
identified
within
the
people
and
maybe
some
mitigating
funding
opportunities
through
the
the
bid
to
scottish
government
etc.
So
yeah
you're
correct,
but
none
of
us
know
what
the
final
position
will
be
at
the
moment.
It
may
well
be
higher,
so
we
need
to
be
prepared
to
bring
that
back.
If
that
should
that
become
the
case,.
S
Yes,
thank
you
chair
as
a
belmont
chief
operating
officer,
communities
and
partnerships,
and
I
would
ask
that
my
colleague,
simon
payne,
comes
in
and
clarifies
the
procurement
position
in
terms
of
and
differentiate
between,
design
and
build
and
where
we
are
with
the
tender
process.
T
Afternoon
councillors,
simon
payne
category
manager
within
the
the
procurement
team,
so
yeah,
I'm
happy
to
to
provide
a
bit
for
further
information
on
that.
So,
as
as
jim
boyle
has
said,
there
are,
and
there's
been
acknowledged-
there
are
some
uncertainties
around
what
the
final
picture
will
be
looking
like.
T
Obviously,
I
would
hope
it
goes
without
saying
that
we
are
pricing,
these
these
jobs
up
and
doing
the
costings
to
the
best
of
our
ability
and
based
on
the
most
accurate
and
up-to-date
information,
and
so
the
figures
are
as
accurate
as
they
can
be.
At
this
time,
we've
got
significantly
more
price
certainty
on
brand
shogul
than
we
do
on
cattleburn
at
this
time
in
terms
of
the
the
stage
of
the
procurement,
so,
in
terms
of
branch,
augur
we're
we're
in
sort
of
clarifying
conversations
with
the
proposed
contractor.
T
So
so
there
is
a
a
bit
more
visibility.
I
suppose,
in
terms
of
what
the
final
figures
of
that
will
look
like
in
terms
of
qatar
burn,
my
understanding
of
it
is,
we
have
got,
we've
engaged
a
design
contractor,
I
believe,
that's
in
the
paper
actually
and
and
that
work
is,
is
ongoing.
T
I
suppose
it's
it's
worth
acknowledging
at
this
point
that
the
scope
of
the
final
project
is
still
still
unknown
in
terms
of
the
extent
of
the
rebuild
and
picking
up
on
maria's
comments
about
the
need
to
to
build
into
the
the
specification
of
the
bridge
a
long
time
standing
structure,
that's
going
to
meet
the
meet
the
current
and
and
future
needs
of
of
the
structure,
so
yeah,
I'm
hoping
that
that's
that's,
providing
a
bit
bit
more
information.
T
I
guess
the
the
the
final
cost
for
for
caterpillar
will
be
a
lot
clearer
once
the
design
piece
has
been
completed.
The
the
caveat
with
that,
I
guess,
is
that
some
of
our
pretender
estimates
recently
some
of
some
have
come
in
around
the
budget.
Some
have
come
in
over
budget
depending
on
materials.
One
one
factor,
that's
that's
very
relevant
in
terms
of
the
bridges
work
is
the
price
of
concrete.
T
A
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
work
involves
substantial
concrete
and,
as
we
know,
the
the
price
of
concrete
as
standard
is,
is
around
20
what
it
was
this
time
last
year
and
it's
and
it's
going
up
so
so
yeah.
Hopefully
that
provides
a
bit
bit
of
further
information
just
around
the
the
cost,
and
we
have
some
certainty
and
significantly
more
certainty
on
the
the
value
of
brands
hogel
and
we're
at
a
different
stage
in
terms
of
procurement
and
and
even
project
design
for
qatar
burns.
T
So
there
is
potential
for
more
variance,
depending
on
the
ultimate
scope
of
the
work
that's
required
in
relation
to
carbon.
But
we
don't
know
that
yet,
hopefully
that
helped.
C
C
D
No,
yes,
we
all
the
promised
will
get.
The
amendment
put
yes
screen.
C
U
D
U
I
can
just
see
the
usual
usual
screens
of
individuals.
U
H
I
C
Q
Before
we
do
that
apologies,
if
the
administration
is
moving
a
different
resolution,
then
we
can't
consider
amendments
until
we've
seen
that
resolution.
So
I
think
it
would
only
be
appropriate
if
councillor
thompson's
moving
something
different
from
what
he
said.
He
was
moving
that
we
should
see
that
before
we
consider
amendments.
C
Julia
gone
quiet.
D
H
I
I
sorry
I
I
misunderstood
what
was
happening,
their
apologies.
We
we
had
an
amendment,
it's
a
lot.
It's
not
far
removed
from
councillor
benny's
amendment
and
perhaps
it'll
be
worth
having
a
discussion.
Offline,
okay,.
D
Can
I
suggest
that
we
er,
as
the
province
suggested
we
go
offline,
consider
all
of
the
amendments
that
have
support
and
have
a
seconder
and
and
then
we
come
back
again
and
start
the
debate
and
look
at
what
the
principal
motion
is
again
and
go
through
the
amendments
as
set
out
in
standing
orders.
Q
N
K
D
E
H
I
D
D
Provost,
if
I
might
just
clarify
my
understanding,
would
be
that
this
is
councillor
thompson's
amendment
that
he
would
be
seeking
to
make
this.
The
main
motion.
P
C
P
C
H
Yeah
thanks
provost,
the
the
recommendation
as
it
stands
was
fine,
but
we
felt,
and
now
we've
had
the
discussion
with
the
local
members
in
particular
that
we've
got
to
give
the
reassurance
that
we're
doing
a
couple
of
things,
one
that
we
are
looking
at,
the
the
bridges
on
the
diversionary
routes,
to
just
give
give
that
reassurance
to
the
the
members
of
the
public
that
the
bridges
are
safe.
H
H
So
what
we
would
like
to
do
once
the
bridge
assessment
condition
that's
carried
out
is
that
the
council,
all
23
members,
have
the
opportunity
to
look
at
that
and
consider
the
report
and,
if
needs
be,
it
then
takes
takes
forward
the
the
the
opportunity
to
either
adjust
our
budget
for
next
year
or,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
there
may
be
a
need
to
take
money
from
reserves.
I'm
hoping
we
can
manage
it
within
existing
resources.
N
Yes,
just
to
say
that
I'm
really
pleased
that
this
has
come
forward,
albeit
I
would
have
preferred
it
several
months
ago.
The
effects
on
local
businesses
have
been
awful,
very
real
fears
for
the
future
of
a
number
of
key
local
businesses.
N
C
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
going
to
open
this
up
to
debate
because
I
know
that
councillor
benison
had
a
comment
and
there
may
be
others
who
want
to
make
a
comment.
I'm
going
to
take
counselor
venison
first
to
see
if
she
still
wants
to
comment.
B
I'm
I'm
okay
and
my
questions
were
answered.
Thank
you.
K
Yeah
hi
thanks
promise.
Sorry,
I'm
a
bit
confused
as
I
understand
it,
we're
asking
for
1.5
million
just
for
two
bridges:
the
two
bridges
under
discussion.
So
if
the
the
survey
identifies
work
needing
on
the
other
bridges,
how
is
that
going
to
be
funded?
Well,
that's
a
good
question.
The
other
point
I'm
just
going
to
make
is
just
to
put
some
rough
numbers
around
this
ranger
doing
stock
brokers
estimates
we
had
a
meeting
the
other
week
with
local
businesses
in
baltimore.
K
I
don't
know
half
dozen
businesses
there
but
say
say
it's
a
rough
estimate.
There's
10
businesses
affected
either
through
reduced
revenue
or
increased
cost
of
the
tune
of
5000
pounds
a
week,
each
or
parking
50
000
pounds
a
week
every
year,
you're
talking
a
couple
of
million
pounds
and
it
might
be
one
million.
There
might
be
three
million,
but
the
impact
on
local
economies
from
just
the
one
bridge
closure
at
category
is
significant.
It'll
be
the
similar
for
grand
struggle.
G
E
Thank
you,
provost
yeah.
I
too
am
I'm
pleased
that
we've
arrived
in
a
slightly
convoluted
way.
We
have
arrived
where
we
have.
I
think
it's
it's
been
very
useful,
but
I
think,
as
we're
all
aware,
when
we
see
the
bridge
asset
management
plan
and
we
start
putting
numbers
against
some
of
the
work
that
is
going
to
inevitably
be
needed,
it's
going
to
lead
us
to
some
pretty
hard
choices.
E
I
think,
as
we
go
forward
to
try
and
set
that
to
accommodate,
what's
needed
with
this
critical
infrastructure
in
the
coming
year
and
years
budgets,
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
aware
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
significant
piece
of
work.
I've,
no
doubt
that's
coming
down
the
track
at
us,
but
we're
doing
the
right
thing
and
wanting
to
see
it
as
early
as
possible.
So
I
do
appreciate
the
work
that's
gone
on
today.
Thank
you.
V
Thank
you,
provost.
It's
just
a
sort
of
wider
comment.
That's
worth
making
in
this
meeting.
You
know:
we've
come
together,
which
is
great,
we're
coming
together
as
councillors
and
moving
this
forward,
but
remember:
we've
had
10
years
now
of
dwindling
council
budgets
and
it's
only
through
some
prudent
decisions
that
have
been
made
by
all
parties
in
this
council
over
the
last
decade
that
we've
actually
got
reserves
enough
to
go
in
and
actually
make
this
make
this
this
happen.
V
I
would
just
like
to
make
the
point
that
these
funding
decisions
and
the
the
ability
to
do
the
work
in
these
bridges
to
make
sure
they
don't
get
into
this.
This
state
is
as
much
to
do
with
the
funding
available
to
local
authorities.
So
my
plea
to
to
to
everyone
is,
if
you
get
a
chance,
just
just
please
remind
your
msb
and
the
scottish
government
and
the
uk
government
all
the
rest
of
it.
V
F
Thank
you
promise,
just
in
response
to
council
king's
point.
I
I
think
this
is
an
issue
about
the
availability
of
technical
skills
rather
than
money.
F
However,
going
back
to
the
amendment,
it
talks
about
keeping
the
local
members
informed
and
bringing
the
information
to
the
next
meeting
on
environment
and
housing.
F
Could
I
just
ask
officers
to
ensure
that
local
members
are
kept
informed
in
real
time
we
heard
from
marielusa
lucie
earlier
that
reports
will
be
are
underway
and
examinations
made
and
over
the
next
three
to
four
six
weeks
so
can
I
just
have
that?
I
think
we
need
to
get
insurance
that
the
members
local
members
themselves
will
have
that
real-time
information,
when
the
information
becomes
available
and
not
wait
until,
for
instance,
an
environment,
housing
committee,
because
communicating
with
and
reassuring
the
communities
affected
by
this
is
absolutely
vitally
important.
Thank
you.
Promise.
H
Yeah
thanks
provost.
Hopefully
I
covered
the
points
made
by
councillor
davis
that
we,
we
will
have
to
examine
the
bridges
and,
if
there's
urgent
work
needing
done,
which
I
I
I
suspect
is
not
the
case
they
have
been
inspected.
But
let's,
let's
not
prejudge
that
then
then
we'll
have
to
find
money
through
reserves.
H
Councillor
kane
is
absolutely
right.
We
have
a
limited
capital
budget.
We
have
many
projects
that
we'd
love
to
give
priority
to,
but
we'll
just
have
to
take
that
when
it
comes
so,
if
there
is
money
needed,
we
will
have
to
find
it
because
the
point
being,
if
a
bridge
collapses,
it
does
affect
communities,
it
does
affect
business.
H
We
have
assets
beyond
that
that
we've
looked
at
the
wallace
monument
etc,
where
we've
had
to
manage
how
how
we
deal
with
our
capital
program.
So
let's
not
make
a
knee
jerk
reaction
until
we
know
exactly
what
we
have
to
do
and
let's
plan
ahead,
it
might
not
be.
We
can
do
everything
in
year
one.
C
P
C
Good.
Thank
you
very
much.
That
concludes
our
business.
Thank
you
all
for
your
participation.
Thank
you.