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A meeting of the Stirling and Clackmannanshire City Region Deal Joint Committee was held on Microsoft Teams on Tuesday, 8 June 2021.
To download the agenda, visit: https://www.stirling.gov.uk/media/23274/08-06-2021-crdagenda-5.pdf
A
A
C
So
I'm
more
than
happy
to
take
any
questions
I
have
to
apologize,
because
the
link
I
have
for
the
meeting
does
not
allow
me
and
for
some
reason,
has
sent
me
to
the
agenda
of
a
meeting
two
years
ago,
and
I
I
don't
have
the
actual
agenda
in
front
of
me,
but
hopefully
you
will
and
should
have
the
paper
in
front
of
you
and
it
should
have
been
circulated
last
week.
So
I'm
more
than
happy
to
take
any
questions,
and
hopefully
colleagues
will
assist
me
in
answering
any
of
the
key
personal
points
in
the
paper.
B
What's
the
time
scale
for
when
does
this?
When
is
this
submitting
to
the
government
and
what's
the
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
where
this
sets
and
the
sort
of
processes
we've
got
here
I
mean,
are
they
able
to
come
back
to
us
and
say
this
isn't
good
enough,
try,
again
or
or
is
that
already
kind
of
been
agreed?
What
what
what's
this?
For
you
know
the
dog.
C
C
B
C
I
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
good
conversation.
There
was
a
lot
of
open
conversation.
I
think
like
most
of
the
deals.
There
is
a
concern
that
or
perhaps
not
where
we
would
like
to
be
at
this
stage
for
obvious
reasons,
but
I
think
there
was-
and
it
was
really
nice
to
hear
that
there
was
a
recognition
that
we
are
really
doing
all
that
we
can
to
make
sure
that
we
make
up
any
ground
that
hasn't
been
achieved
or
milestone
that
haven't
been
achieved.
C
I
think
another
really
positive
element
of
the
conversation
was
we're,
starting
as
we
move
into
the
delivery
phase
of
the
deal
to
understand
the
individuals
involved
get
to
know
them
a
bit
better
understand
where
we
can
flex
and
enable
us
to
deliver
the
maximum
that
we
can.
Now,
if
I'm
open
and
honest
as
I
would
always
be,
I
think
that
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done.
However,
I
think
there's
a
willingness
across
all
three
partners
to
really
do
that,
so
it
was.
C
It
was
good
to
be
able
to
explain
and
think
to
government
of
where
we
stand
and
some
of
the
issues
we
face.
I
think
there
is
an
issue
around
about
turnaround
of
feedback
for
business
cases,
there's
also
an
issue
on
the
fact
that
we
probably
need
a
little
bit
more
resource
and
a
little
bit
more
expertise
applied
to
our
business
cases,
but
all
in
all,
I
think
it
was
a
very
good
meeting.
B
C
Absolutely
again,
I
think
it's
it's
learning
curve.
What
was
interesting,
I
thought
the
conversation
is
its
learning
curve
for
everybody,
including
scottish
government,
in
this,
and
I
think
that
the
point
you've
raised
is
absolutely
valid
and
we
were
under
a
little
bit
under
the
caution
terms
of
time
scales
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
resource
based,
but
I
really
do
think
it
was
a
great
team
effort
across
all
three
partners
to
pull
together
the
document
and
get
it
into
the
semblance
that
it
really
added
value.
C
A
D
Yeah,
thanks
to
you
good
evening,
sorry
good
afternoon
committee
for
the
benefit
of
the
recording,
I'm
brian
roberts
chief
operating
officer
with
sterling
council.
So
the
the
brief
paper
in
front
of
committee
today
is
in
response
to
the
discussion.
You
had
two
committee
cycles
ago,
where
you
were
reinforcing
your
commitment
for
cross-partner
engagement
on
particularly
the
delivery
aspect
of
the
business
cases.
So
you'd
ask
for
a
brief
paper
to
come
back
just
on
how
partners
would
approach
this.
D
Recognizing
the
the
three
partners
have
delegated
responsibility
for
the
business
of
the
deal
to
this
committee,
but
reinforcing
your
commitment
as
a
committee
to
make
sure
that
the
partners
were
fully
informed.
So
particularly
the
the
elected
members
from
both
councils
and
obviously
the
university
court.
D
Obviously,
committee
understand
that
the
scale
and
the
variances
of
the
projects
mean
that
it
won't
be
a
one
process
for
all
projects
and
also
recognizing
that
the
responsibility
sits
with
each
of
the
individual
partners
to
ensure
alignment
of
internal
governance
processes
with
the
business
of
the
joint
committee
and
also
recognizing
that
each
of
the
three
partners
already
has
established
program
boards
briefing
arrangements
for
for
relevant
internal
stakeholders
etc
as
well.
But
this
paper
hopefully
sets
out
to
commit
to
that
aspiration
that
you've
got.
It
indicates
a
few
areas.
D
In
particular,
we
were
looking
for
committed
to
agree
so,
first
of
all
to
agree
with
the
approach
and,
secondly,
to
agree
that
that
engagement
program
will
be
coordinated
through
the
the
rpmo
and
monitored
by
the
chief
officer
group,
but
reported
then
into
to
committee
on
a
quarterly
basis.
So
you
can
see
the
forward
plan
for
that
and
also
a
recommendation
that
we
hold
a
partner,
a
briefing
session,
effectively
a
collective
partner
briefing
sessions
in
october,
and
that
would
be
structured
along
the
investment
teams
of
the
deal.
D
And
so
what
I'm
trying
to
do
all
in
one
session
is
structure
across
the
themes.
I
thought
that
was
a
good
time,
taking
an
account
of
the
summer
recess
for
all
three
partners,
but
also
the
the
heavy
business
that
there
is
for
the
three
partners
in
september,
both
in
relation
to
obviously,
the
new
intake
for
the
academic
year
for
the
university,
but
also
the
committee
cycle
for
both
councils
that
happens
in
september
it'd
be
quite
difficult
to
get
everybody
together
before
october.
D
We
feel
so
the
intention
would
be
to
hold
that
session
or
session
sorry
in
october,
and
also
the
intention
would
be
there
to
invite
the
members
of
this
rehab
and
the
regional
economic
forum,
because
that
will
be
established
by
them.
We
thought
that
was
a
good
opportunity
for
everybody
to
get
together
and
do
a
run-through
of
the
investment
teams
in
the
project.
So
that's
really
the
two
decisions
that
we're
looking
off
the
back
of
the
paper
chair.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
I
hope
not
for
any
questions
about
the
clarification.
I
think
it's
a
good
way
forward
and
I
think
you
know
we
had
a
briefing
in
sterling
yesterday,
which
I
thought
the
members
appreciated
really
well.
It
was
an
overview
of
where
we
are
with
the
deal
a
present
and
that
ongoing
engagement
will
be
critical
in
terms
of
keeping
elected
members,
both
councils
up
to
speed
in
terms
of
the
the
the
del
as
especially
when
we
go
into
the
delivery
phase
of
the
the
deal.
B
B
You
know
the
the
scree
abs
and
your
business
communities
and
all
these
kind
of
people
stuff
that
are
actually
involved
and
actually
that
open
dialogue,
I
think,
is
something
to
be
really
encouraged
during
this,
because
that's
the
way
that
we
understand
where
everyone
else
is
coming
from
and
then
when
one
partner
is
perhaps
oh,
why
is
that
being
said?
We'll
actually
understand
it,
because
we'll
the
relationships
have
been
built
and
the
the
the
understanding
will
have
been
done.
So
I
think
that's.
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
approach.
A
A
Can
we
agree
the
recommendations
to
note
the
approach
across
the
partnerships
in
terms
of
engagement
and
to
note
the
plan
partnership
briefings
being
arranged
for
october
21.?
Indeed,
I'm
good.
Thank
you
thanks
for
that,
brian
now
move
on
to
6.3,
which
is
the
update
of
city
region,
deal
implementation
plan
for
submissions
to
governments,
pages
5122,
bruce.
C
A
B
Yeah
thanks
scott
bruce
I
I
was-
I
was
looking
through
this
and
I'll
be
honest.
I
didn't
go
through
it
lying
behind,
because
there
was
a
big
meaty
report
to
go
through
in
a
bit
more
detail
coming
up,
but
I
was
trying
to
understand
right
what
I
I
feel
like
I've
seen
this
before
and
I
couldn't
see
what
it
changed
was.
What's
actually
changed
here.
C
I
think
what
we've
recognized
is
that
there
was
a
requirement
to
be
recognized
as
a
deal.
It
was
a
requirement
to
have
a
marker
on
the
sand
on
an
annual
basis,
which
this
is
meant
to
be
that
have
a
rolling
operational
plan
that
allows
us
to
mark
in
terms
of
performance
management,
whether
we
are
on
or
off
target.
C
So
that
is
something
that
we
are
working
on
and,
I
believe,
is
coming
to
joint
committee,
or
at
least
the
performance
plan
will
be
presented
to
joint
committee
at
the
next
joint
committee
in
the
6th
of
july.
But
this
is
fundamentally
to
allow
us
to
adjust
the
milestones
and
matrix
to
make
sure
that
they
fit
with
the
spend
profile
as
a
marker
for
scottish
government.
So
you
probably
notice
that
they
haven't
changed
an
awful
lot
since
the
last
time
you
saw
them.
However,
there
was
a
necessity
for
them
to
do
so.
C
B
A
E
I'm
delighted
to
be
able
to
introduce
the
outline
business
case
for
scotland's
international
environment
center
and
to
bring
it
before
a
joint
committee
today
for
approval,
following
its
endorsement
by
both
governments
and
the
scotland's
international
environment
center
is,
as
committee
members
know,
one
of
the
major
projects
within
the
innovation
investment
area.
It
is
the
single
largest
project
within
the
sterling
click
manager
city,
reaching
deal
of
the
total
government
investment
directly
of
22
million
and
an
expected
total
project
value
in
excess
of
50
million.
E
E
The
process
has
been
interesting
and
at
times
challenging,
but
we
have
now
got
to
the
point
where
we
are
in
a
position
to
invite
approval
of
the
outline
business
case
by
the
joint
committee
partners
in
the
deal
agreed
last
year
as
we
assess
the
implications
of
the
covered
pandemic
impact
that
the
environment
center
should
be
prioritized
because
of
its
potential
to
support
and
accelerate
regional
economic
and
social
recovery.
So
we
have
put
substantial
effort
and
resources
into
developing
the
business
case
and
bringing
it
to
this
point.
E
The
business
case
that
is
in
front
of
you
is,
of
course,
a
very
long
and
detailed
technical
document.
It
complies
as
is
required
and
with
the
treasury's
five
case,
green
book
model.
So
we
have
worked
with
a
range
of
technical
and
specialist
advisors
to
prepare
the
the
the
business
case.
I
would
like
to
perhaps
just
highlight
a
couple
of
points.
Paragraph
1.16
in
the
executive
summary
sets
out
to
the
anticipated
benefits
from
this
phase
of
of
siec.
E
I
should
say
that,
in
accordance
with
the
change
process
that
was
put
forward
last
year
with
the
governments,
there
are
that
this
business
case
relates
primarily
to
phase
one
of
what
will
be
a
two-phase
project
phase.
One
will
bring
forward
the
establishment
of
the
first
major
piece
of
the
research
and
development
infrastructure
in
the
region.
E
That
is
a
deliberately
conservative
approach
and
you
will
see
in
paragraph
1.16
those
benefits
summarized
with
125
new
jobs,
the
skills
program
benefiting
almost
9
000
individuals,
100
industry-led
partnerships,
300
smes
being
provided
with
specialist
low
carbon
business
support,
200
startups
in
the
low
carbon
economy
and
supporting
300
organizations
across
the
region
to
reduce
their
net
carbon
emissions.
The
anticipated
gross
value
add
from
the
investment
in
phase.
One
benefits
is
estimated
in
the
outline
business
cases
of
114
million
and
with
a
cost
benefit
ratio
of
1
to
4.7.
E
So
I
hope
that
that
summary
of
benefits
and
the
detail
of
the
benefits
that
set
out
will
start
to
indicate
to
committee
members.
The
answer
to
one
of
the
persistent
questions
that
you
have
quite
rightly
asked
is:
what
does
this
mean
on
the
ground?
What
does
this
start
to?
Look
like?
It
is
deliberately,
as
I
say,
conservative
and
it
does
not,
for
example,
make
any
attempt
to
forecast
the
jobs
that
or
the
further
business
of
economic
gain
that
will
come
from
the
phase
two
investment,
which
will
be
the
larger
infrastructural
development
commencing
in
2023.
E
So,
in
the
event
that
the
committee
gives
you
approval
to
the
outline
business
case
today,
we
will
immediately
be
in
a
position
to
move
forward
with
the
full
business
case,
with
the
intention
that
the
project
will
commence
delivery
in
september
and
enable
us
to
start
delivering
major
economic
and
social
benefits
for
the
businesses
and
communities
across
our
region.
Very
happy
to
seek
to
address
any
wrong
questions
that
the
committee
may
have.
A
Thanks
for
that,
john
and
that
comprehensive
overview
and
a
good
turn
of
praise
when
you're
saying
bringing
the
deal
to
life
because
it's
been
long
awaited
in
terms
of
what
one
would
say
is
an
arduous
process
at
times.
But
now
that
we've
got
the
outline
business
case,
that's
certainly
a
milestone
in
terms
of
moving
forward
with
the
with
the
practicalities
of
actually
getting
the
spades
into
the
ground.
So
thanks
for
that,
neil
you've
got
a
question.
B
I've
got
quite
a
lot
it's
a
this
is
this
is
a
fantastic
to
see
this
coming
forward.
It
really
is
I
I
got
to
say
I
mean
I
was.
I
was
geeking
out
on
some
of
it
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
some
of
my
background
as
an
earth,
observation
and
geographical
information,
so
you
know
actually
seeing
some
of
this
stuff
coming
to
life.
Here
really
did
excite
me
not
at
least
because
I
might
get
a
job
in
the
future
if
I
need
it
so
this
is
tremendously
exciting.
B
I
I
did
have
quite
a
lot
of
questions
to
share
so
if
right,
I'll,
just
I'll
just
go
through
them,
I'll
try
not
to
take
up
too
much
time,
because
I
know
we
do
want
to
kind
of
get
on
with
this,
but
I
think
this
is.
As
you
know,
we've
had
an
outline
business
case
before,
but
I
think
you
know
this
one
is:
is
a
huge
ticket
item
and
has
a
real
opportunity
for
us
one.
B
The
the
first
thing,
john,
was
the
the
table
tables
that
you've
got
there,
and
you
were
talking
about
your
conservative
estimates
with
regards
to
the
the
125
jobs
and
all
the
rest.
But
I
saw
that
thinking
about
the
amount
of
money
that
was
being
invested
that
seemed
rather
low
when
you're
saying
that's
a
conservative
estimate.
Now,
I'm
all
in
favor
of
conservative
estimates.
But
what
would
be
the
your
non-conservative
estimate
in
terms
of
what
would
be
the
high
amount
of
jobs
that
you're
you're
thinking
might
eventually
come
from
this.
E
The
estimate
that
we've
put
in
here
that,
based
on
the
the
economic
case,
modeling
that
relates
to
the
investment
simply
in
phase
one,
so
the
establishment
of
fourth
era
and
the
initial
two
years
of
operation
of
the
business
accelerator
program.
So
we
we
are
confident
that
the
in
this
first
phase
of
investment
will
create
that
number
of
jobs
within
the
region,
we've
discounted
for
optimism,
bias
and
we've
discounted
in
accordance
with
the
approved
treasury
methodologies.
E
I'm
afraid
I
can't
speculate
on
a
more
on
a
more
specific
number
than
that
at
this
point
in
time,
but
the
economic
modelling
that
we've
established
will
enable
us
to
develop
detailed
forecasts
as
we
move
through
the
implementation
of
phase
one
and
those
will
be
fairly
reflected
in
the
phase
two
full
business
case.
When
that
comes
before
committee
and
due
course.
B
That's
fine.
I
look
forward
to
seeing
the
the
phase
two
to
business
plan.
In
that
context,
I
I
mean
you
know
this
is
a
significant
sector
in
the
uk
economy,
so
there
are
jobs
in
it.
So,
let's
see
what
comes
through
in
that
one
in
terms
of
2.1.8
you've
got
you've
got
some
information
in
there
about
large
company
investment
in
the
center
of
excellence.
B
I
I
didn't,
I'm
not,
I'm
not
sure
what
your
evidence
for
suggesting
that
you
could
get
large-scale
large
companies
investing
in
this,
because
I
see
a
lot
of
like
you
know,
references
to
technological
developments
and
such
like,
but
I
didn't
see
a
justification
for
that
statement.
Can
you
can
you
point
to
that?
For
me,
john,
the.
E
Best
evidence
that
to
support
this
assertion
is
the
demonstrator
project
that
we've
developed
in
partnership
with
bt
bt
have
invested.
So
this
is
a
proof
of
concept
demonstrator
which
is
set
out
in
in
in
the
description
of
fourth
era.
So
we
have
evidence
that
we
will
work.
Bt
have
invested
some
250
000
pounds
in
that
demonstrator
project.
The
university
has
invested
at
commensurate
value
in
terms
of
contribution
of
expertise
to
design
they
that
they
develop
the
demonstrator
project.
That
involves
some
six
sensors
across
a
number
of
demonstration
sites.
E
It
also
has
leveraged
in
as
use
case
partners
the
azure
so
another
example
of
large
company
involvement
with
the
the
demonstrator,
and
we
have
a
number
of
smes
working
with
us
on
innovative
visualization
technologies
and
artificial
intelligence
applications,
which
we
know
are
of
interest
to
other
to
other
companies.
The
involvement
of
bt
is
currently
the
subject
of
detailed
negotiations
with
the
company
about
a
full-scale
partnership
in
siec
and
those
negotiations
are
ongoing
and
we
know
that
working
with
bt
brings
into
play
there
and
partnership
arrangement.
E
So
the
evidence
for
the
assertion
is
based
on
our
experience,
thus
far
in
demonstrating
the
the
approach
to
era,
and
we
had
a
number
of
conversations
in
play
with
large
potential
partner
organizations
before
that
the
covert
pandemic
hit.
Those,
of
course
were
paused
by
those
companies,
but
we
will
be
revisiting
and
re-energizing
those
as
we
move
into
project
delivery.
B
E
Diego
is
about
water
use
and,
and
what
basically
enriched
their
the
way
in
which
their
the
use
of
water
for
and
distilling
and
brewing,
then
is
managed
more
effectively
through
the
fourth
year
capability,
and
that,
of
course,
has
an
environmental
impact.
It
also
has
a
business
efficiency
impact
bt's
interest
is
in
matching,
is
in
demonstrating
how
their
digital
fabric
can
drive
and
support
the
transition
to
green
business
models
and
green
business
marketplaces.
B
2.4.13
and
2.7.19
there's
there's
some
discussion
in
those
two
points
about
appropriate
groups
in
terms
of
the
you
know
where
we
need
to
put
the
focus
in
terms
of
employability
here,
one
of
the
things
that
you
mentioned
social
economic
groups.
But
there
isn't.
There
seems
to
be
a
word
missing
in
2.7.19
about
what
social
economic
groups
we're
actually
looking
for
there.
But
I'm
just
not
getting
a
sense
from
this
that
we're
looking
at
this.
B
So
the
groups
that
are
identified
are
the
ones
that
have
been
identified
by
the
the
joint
committee
and
but
the
one
that
seems
to
be
missing.
Is
that
piece
around
retraining
and
reskilling
from
people
who
have
been
in
industries
which
are
perhaps
a
little
bit
more
historic?
You
know
the
focus
on
young
people
in
terms
of
apprenticeship
and
training
is
is
fantastic,
but
then
actually
we
don't
want
to
kind
of
cloud.
B
E
No,
it's
absolutely
not
missing
on
purpose,
and
it
reflects
the
stage
that
we
are
at
in
the
development
of
the
skills
pathway.
As
members
are
aware,
that
is,
of
course,
the
skills
and
inclusion
investment
area
within
the
the
deal
and
we're
working
closely
with
the
team
of
colleagues
who
are
developing
the
detailed
proposals
to
lay
out
the
the
skills
pathway.
There
is
a
significant
amount
of
work
to
do
to
translate
the
ambition
around
about
skills
and
training
for
under
scotland's
international
environment
centre
into
a
detailed
program
of
activity.
E
We
we've
recognized
previously
in
discussions
of
the
deal
that
the
investment
that
comes
directly
into
skills
and
inclusion,
while
it's
welcome,
is
very
small
in
terms
of
the
scale
of
the
challenge
that
we
face.
So
we
are
working
in
partnership
with
forth
valley
college,
we're
working
in
partnership
with
the
that
some
of
the
companies
that
we're
talking
to
we're
working
in
partnership
with
the
5g
center
at
scotland
5g
center
to
look
at
the
opportunities
in
the
round
for
leveraging
more
training.
E
Of
course,
the
scottish
funding
council,
who
fund
both
the
university
and
the
college
and
in
in
part,
have
a
major
review
of
their
patterns
of
provision
going
on
at
the
moment.
There
are
opportunities
there
to
perhaps
tailor
some
of
the
the
investment
more
closely
towards
regional
skills
requirements
and-
and
we
in
the
college
have
been
participating
fully
in
that
review
process.
E
But
we
we
will
given
the
program
the
ambition
to
to
have
a
skills
program
that
touches
some
9
000
people.
Plus.
We
will
look
to
every
sector
of
our
community
to
see
where
there
are
opportunities
to
enhance
the
value
of
work
and
to
create
opportunities
for
meaningful
and
fair
work
wherever
that
is,
that
is
possible.
So
again,
it's
something
that,
through
the
first
year
as
we
reference
elsewhere
in
the
business
case
through
the
first
year
of
delivery,
we
will
really
bottom
out
the
full
skills
program.
B
B
It
also
sounds
like
something
that
bond
villain
might
develop,
but
because
it's
got
a
great
name
but
the,
but
I
suppose
I
was
trying
to
kind
of
think
of
a
way
of
of
asking
this
question
without
it
without
it
sounding
like
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
it,
because
I
think
it
is
a
tremendously
exciting
thing.
I
suppose
I'm
just
looking
for
reassurance
that
fourth
era
isn't
a
nine
million
pound
for
whatever
better
term
toy.
B
That
is
going
to
be
great
from
an
academic
point
of
view,
but
I
wasn't
necessarily
kind
of
understanding
exactly
how
we're
going
to
leverage
the
commerciality
into
that.
I
read
the
section
on
the
commercials
and
I
got
a
sense
that
that
was
very
much
being
looked
at
in
the
context
of
the
innovation
and
the
sort
of
more
general
innovation
stuff.
I
wasn't
getting
a
sense
that
there
was
a
direct
tie
back
to
the
fourth
era
stuff
and
how
we
get
that
commercialized.
E
So
this
is
this
is
in
part
what
the
demonstrator
project
has
been.
Looking
to.
It's
been
looking
to
a
series
of
applications,
both
commercial
given
bt's
interest
in
the
azus
interest,
and
also
enhanced
that
environmental
regulations,
so
super,
for
example,
are
involved
and
nature's
got
are
involved
and
they
enhanced
regulation
is
not
just
a
matter
of
improved
environmental
management
and
important.
E
So
that
is,
it's
actually
critically
about
supporting
business
resilience,
for
example,
the
the
protection
of
businesses
and,
indeed
of
communities
from
potential
flood
risk
and
fourth
era,
will
enable
us
to
enable
partner
agencies
to
deploy
different
nature,
rich
solutions,
innovative
solutions
with
confidence,
because
they
what's
missing
at
the
moment
is
not
the
is
not
the
the
thinking
around
alternative
solutions
for
flood
mitigation.
It's
a
lack
of
confidence
because
we
don't
have
the
large
scale
data
and
analytics
to
support
the
deployment
of
those
capabilities.
E
And
the
so
fourth
euro
will
enable,
for
example,
test
bedding
and
demonstrating
of
novel
approaches
in
the
transportation
sector.
It
will
enable
the
testing
of
novel
approaches
to
land
management.
Food
production,
for
example,
is
one
of
the
areas
linked
to
sustainable
energy
generation
that
we're
looking
at
very
closely
the
fourth
era.
E
That,
as
I've
said,
amongst
other
things,
is
about
ensuring
that
we
build
the
new
supply
system
of
companies
and
and
technologies
and
services
that
will
support
trend
transformation
in
in
the
water
sector,
and
we've
been
working
closely
as
well
throughout
with
scottish
enterprise
and
others
to
ensure
that
we've
got
good
intelligence
on
the
way
in
which
the
the
investment
in
the
r
d
infrastructure
will
support
the
commercialization
commercial
outcomes.
The
the
business
accelerator
part,
so
the
fourth
era
doesn't
in
itself
cost
the
nine
and
a
half
million.
E
There's
a
million
pounds
of
the
first
investment
that
the
first
phase,
investment
that
goes
into
the
establishment
of
the
business
accelerator.
That
business
accelerator
is
about
putting
people
on
the
ground
to
work
directly
with
our
businesses
to
address
company
by
company
and
sector
by
sector.
The
question
that
you're
asking
and
to
understand
progressively
more
about
what
our
businesses
and
other
businesses
that
we
wish
to
attract
the
region
will
want
so
we're
building
up
an
evidence
set
as
we
go,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
that
as
we
work
through.
E
B
That's
useful,
john.
I
was
looking
at
the
table
and
paid
for
the
numbers
that
I
was
looking
at
the
table
on
page
133.
The
the
cost
of
the
fourth
era
is,
is
nine
sorry,
it's
nine
million,
not
nine
and
a
half.
I
see
that
there's
the
the
siec
business
accelerator
from
what
you
were
saying
there.
It
sounds
like
part
of
the
job
of
the
business
accelerator
is
going
to
be
looking
for
those
commercial
applications
for
thera.
That
seems
to
be
what
you
were
saying
to
me.
E
B
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
the
the
thing
is
always
in
the
back
of
my
head
here
is
that
there
is
an
element
to
which
you
know
with
something
like
this,
especially
in
earth
observation
and
remote
sensing.
If
you
throw
data
out
there,
people
will
innovate
when
you
look
at
what
happened
when
they
made
all
the
ordinance
survey
data
open
data,
you
know
the
tremendous
work
that
goes
on
in
england
with
regards
to
lidar.
B
B
It
was
a
really
good
model
which
showed
everything
all
coming
together
and
the
open
date.
The
open
data
coming
there,
but
then
on
page
271,
there's
a
thing
here
about
the
financials
being
dependent
upon
the
sale
of
data
sets,
and
I
suppose
what
I'd
like
to
understand
is
what
is
the
model
here?
Is
it
open
data
and
innovation
in
the
kind
of
global
standard?
Are
we
sticking
with
that
kind
of
old-fashioned?
Very
scottish
public
sector
thing
of
no.
This
is
our
data
and
we're
only
going
to
give
it
to
you.
B
E
It's
it's
both,
so
the
the
data
that
we
collect
from
the
fourth
era
array
will
enable
a
range
of
private
and
public
sector
uses
they,
for
example,
working
with
sepa
to
look
at
enhanced
flood
mitigation,
flood
protection
that
will
be
of
great
interest
to
local
authorities
in
terms
of
efficiencies
and
improvements
and
and
the
way
in
which
flood
can
be
managed.
The
pricing
structure
for
that
type
of
work
needs
to
be
done
on
a
basis
that
sustains
and
continues
to.
E
Let
us
invest
in
the
array
and
in
the
the
broader
research
and
development
infrastructure,
because
otherwise,
as
you
know,
it
just
very
quickly
becomes
out
of
date
and
it
becomes
not
cutting
edge
anymore
and
but
it
shouldn't,
because
we're
investing
significant
sums
of
public
money,
it
shouldn't
profit
unduly.
It
should
be
a
sustainable
model.
E
The
pricing
structure
for
a
private
enterprise
that
wishes
to
develop
data
sets,
for
example,
it
may
wish
to
feed
its
own
data
in
and
then
use
the
processing
power
fourth
era,
or
to
test
bed
and
different
approaches
and
then
to
turn
that
into
commercial
gain.
The
pricing
structure,
for
that
should
reflect
the
profit
expectation
that
will
come
through
those
partnerships,
and
this
is
why
we're
testing
out
the
the
the
appeal
of
the
andy
infrastructure,
with
both
public
and
private
sector
partners.
E
We
we've
also
recognized
that
there
is
a
social
enterprise
and
community
enterprise
application
here,
which
could
be
particularly
significant
in
helping
us
to
address
some
of
the
more
profound
socioeconomic
inequalities
within
the
region.
So
we
are
designing
it
in
order
that
it
can
be
used
for
public
good
for
private
profit
and
for
community
and
social
benefit.
That's
not
a
straightforward
model,
but
it
needs
to
be
neither
the
well,
I
shouldn't
probably
say
the
traditional
scottish
model,
but
now
it
shouldn't
just
be
one
thing
or
the
other.
E
It
needs
in
itself
to
be
highly
innovative
in
the
way
in
which
we
approach
the
use
of
data
and
the
as
an
example.
If
I
tell
you
that
there
is
already
a
large
sensor
manufacturer
who
is
interested
in
working
in
partnership
with
us
bringing
their
sec
their
sensors
into
the
mix
in
order
to
create
new
sensor
capabilities,
you
cannot
currently,
for
example,
buy
a
5g
enabled
sensor
off
the
shelf
anywhere
when
I
say
off
the
shelf.
Some
of
these
things
are
very
large,
so
it's
a
very
big
shelf.
E
B
Now
that
is
something
that's
well
worth
pursuing.
I
think
we
just
got
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
stay
for
innovation
with
restrictive
data
practices.
It
is,
is
a
is
a
problem,
because
it's
why
so
many
remote
sensing
agents
and
so
many
remote
sensing
companies
are
based
in
england
because
especially
lidar
information
has
all
been
made
up
and
other
stuff's
quite
out
of
date,
stuff,
that's
open,
you
can
pay
for
the
more
up-to-date
stuff
stuff.
Is
that
the
stuff
that's
out
there
can
help
companies
innovate
and
develop
technological
solutions.
B
B
I
want
to
understand
about:
what's
the:
what
is
the
kind
of
the
the
sort
of
river
river
network
monitoring
systems
around
about
fourth
era
and
whether
the
you
spoke
about
demonstrator
project
now
was
a
wee
bit
confused
about
what
we
meant
by
the
demonstration
project
as
to
whether
we
saw
the
demonstrator
projects
that
you
were
already
kind
of
doing
as
part
of
the
demonstrator
project
or
whether
forth
error
itself
was
like
a
demonstrator
project
that
could
then
be
implemented
on
other
river
networks.
I
was
a
little
confused
about
that
distinction.
E
The
one
of
the
smes
who's
working
in
partnership
with
us
3deo
are
taking
some
of
that
test
data
and
turning
it
into
3d
visualizations
that
support
the
the
kind
of
monitoring
they're,
also
working
in
a
different
project,
use
case
project
with
bt
in
belfast
harbor,
where
they're
looking
at
applying
some
of
the
similar
technologies
to
logistics
and
transport.
So
there's
a
network
that
we're
developing
where
we're
looking
at
these
fourth
era.
So
the
demonstrator
project
is
very
small.
E
The
whole
fourth
unit
array
will
have
an
excess
of
300
sensors
in
the
first
instance
deployed
across
the
whole
catchment
river
and
estuary
system.
It
will
be
the
first
array
in
the
world
of
that
scale,
so
we
are
doing
that
to
demons
to
be
a
major
attractant
to
companies
that
want
to
innovate
in
this
space
to
come
to
our
region.
To
do
that,
work
and
that's.
Why
we're
seeing
a
large
company
interest
at
such
an
early
stage,
people
wanting
to
work
with
us
to
do
this,
then?
E
E
We're
partners
in
the
major
pan-european
danubia
sri
project,
which
is
looking
at
the
river
danube
in
terms
of
all
of
its
different
applications,
but
business
and
otherwise.
But
it
has
nothing
like
we
will
create
in
fourth
era,
as
we
create
the
fourth
year
array
that
will
in
itself
be
a
global
exemplar
that
we
can
sell
on
elsewhere.
E
B
A
B
B
You've
got
an
assessment
of
the
different
options
that
you
could
have
went
for
there,
I'm
trying
to
understand.
I
think
you
kind
of
covered
this
in
your
your
introduction
option.
Five,
which
was
the
high
ambition,
one,
the
the
full
mega
new
business
park
and
all
the
rest
of
it
around
about
that
is.
Is
that
what
you're
planning
for
phase
two
of
this
project
and,
if
not,
does
option
three
preclude
us
from
going
for
option
five
at
a
later
date.
E
It
doesn't
preclude
any
options
at
this
stage
what
we
did
and
committee
members.
That
may
recall
that
I
appreciate
it
some
time
ago,
when
we
reviewed
the
delivery
plan
for
the
project,
particularly
in
the
light
of
the
coveted
impacts
not
on
just
on
the
partner
organizations,
but
on
the
economy.
More
broadly,
we
recognized
that
the
that
the
market
for
a
large
scale,
new
business
park
might
be
very
challenging
for
a
number
of
years.
E
In
which
the
physical
infrastructure
development
that
will
come
in
phase
two
and
can
support
and
enhance
the
the
place
making
agenda
the
the
town
and
community-based
regeneration
by
thinking
differently,
the
the
detailed
thinking
around
which
the
preferred
option
is
for
the
large-scale
physical
infrastructure
will
be
done
in
the
context
of
planning
for
phase
two,
and
that
is
the
the
net.
The
phase
two
business
case
that
the
committee
will
see
in
due
course,
so
we
have
moved
our
thinking
forward.
E
Nothing
is
precluded
but
we'll,
but
there
are
new
parameters
that
apply
to
the
to
the
consideration
of
option
appraisal
at
this
point
in
time.
The
what
we
would
hope
very
much
we
would
be
able
to
see
with
some
of
this
new
thinking
is
a
distributed
benefit
model
that
sees
investment
happening
in
a
number
of
locations,
taking
advantage
of
what
we're
doing
here
and
of
course
part
of
this
will
be
determined
by
the
leverage
money.
E
If
a
company
comes
to
us
and
says,
I
want
a
site
that
looks
like
this
somewhere
within
the
region
and
they
are
paying
for
it.
Then
that's
a
key
part
of
the
leverage
the
government
investment
pays
for
the
core
and
we
maximize
the
opportunity.
On
behalf.
We
have
just
to
complete
that,
of
course,
when
we,
when
we
reconfigured
the
the
project-
and
we
got
that
change
agreed,
it
was
so
that
we
didn't
have
to
build
anything
new
in
phase
one,
and
that
means
we
can
get
very
quickly
into
activity.
E
The
5g
hub,
that's
leveraged,
will
require
a
bit
of
a
bit
of
space,
but
it's
not
in
itself
a
huge
facility,
so
we're
able
to
move
quickly
to
get
the
capability
in
place
and
to
get
the
business
support
in
place.
And
while
we
take
time
to
understand
what
the
market
demand
is
for
the
phase
two
physical
premises
and,
as
I
say,
we're
starting
that
that
process
of
detailed
discussion
with
council
of
fortune
and
our
team
to
to
set
out
that
option
appraisal,
which
of
course,
will
come
back
to
committee
as
we
move
forward.
B
F
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
come
in.
Are
we
I'll
be
putting
what
john
was
saying
there?
I
think,
particularly
over
the
pandemic
period
and
probably
what
has
been
a
feature
in
kind
of
our
high
streets
time
centers,
even
our
business
parks.
If
people
are
moving
out
of
them
and
there's
a
lot
more
home
working
now,
more
units
have
become
available.
F
Our
town
centers,
the
retail
units,
are
particularly
becoming
vacant,
and
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
opportunity
and
I
was
glad
we
were
able
to
kind
of
re-look
at
it
to
think
about
vacant
land.
That's
there.
I
was
always
a
wee
bit
uncomfortable
about
building
scotland's
international
environment
center
and
what
was
essentially
a
lovely
green
belt
city.
It
never
quite
sat
well
with
me,
but
I
think,
there's
a
real
opportunity
now
to
get
a
real
feel
of
regeneration,
particularly
around
alawa
center,
but
also
across
the
the
whole
region
as
well.
F
There'll
be
areas
across
the
stirling
area
that
will
probably
benefit
more
from
this
type
of
model,
that
than
just
club
manager
and
obviously,
we've
got
our
smaller
towns
and
villages
as
well.
There's
business
parks
in
there
that
have
got
vacant
sites,
so
I
think
it's
building
an
attractive
prospect
around
the
region
as
a
whole,
rather
than
it
just
being
one
particular.
F
You
know
kind
of
big
site
and
I
think
genuinely
when
you
look
at
it
now
that
there's
probably
the
ability
to
leverage
in
much
more
and
I
suppose
economic
development
and
probably
produce
better
results
than
it
would
be
just
a
a
single.
You
know
kind
of
green
belt
site
for
me,
and
so
I'm
quite
pleased
on
the
direction
that
this
has
gone.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point
actually
because
I
think
you
know
like
I
think
we
shouldn't
rule
out
in
the
future
some
amazing
building
to
house
this
amazing
thing,
but
you
know
I
mean
I
think
at
this
stage
we
don't
know
what's
happening
with
the
the
market
and
I
think
that's
important.
I
also
think
it's
important.
We
don't
build
something
in
the
middle
of
nowhere,
but
actually
we've
got
loads
of
places
in
the
middle
of
somewhere
exactly.
D
B
We
really
build
stuff
in
there's
a
lovely
spot
down
by
the
harbor.
Just
lay
that
out.
There's
a
nice
suggestion
there,
where
you
can
see
up
towards
stirling
as
well.
It's
got
lovely
views
so
yeah,
but
let's
not
try
and
design
that
in
committee.
I
had
another
another
thing
around
about
the
around
about
the
the
issue
of
the
six
points.
3.5.
B
You
also
identify
this
as
a
2.7
in
terms
of
that
key
weakness
in
the
in
the
in
the
economy.
With
regards
to
that
that
that
point
about
commercialization
of
research
activities
from
universities
john
and
you-
and
I
have
had
long
conversations
about
this
back
in
the
days
when
we
were
on
the
board
of
syrup
together-
I
I
suppose
I'd
really
like
to
kind
of
understand
in
6.3.5
how
those
people
who
were
looking
at
employing
here
are
going
to
be
interacting
with
you
know,.
B
D
B
You've
got
the
the
various
people
who
are
going
to
be
looking
at
that
kind
of
innovation
piece
and
how
do
we
commercialize
academic
research,
and
I
I'd
really
like
to
understand
what
it
is
that
they're
going
to
be
doing
and
specifically
what
they're
going
to
be
doing
differently,
which
is
going
to
help
address
the
problems
that
you've
had
you've
identified
earlier
on.
The
document
about
sort
of
commercialization
of
academic
research.
E
That's
a
key
question
and
built
into
the
environment
center
operating
model
is:
is
the
development
of
an
innovation
community?
That's
set
out,
I'm
not
looking
to
see
if
I
can
find
it
diagrammatically.
I
know
it's
in
in
the
document
somewhere,
so
they
and
it's
a
in
effect.
It's
a
four
quadrant
model
that
looks
to
attend
to
every
part
of
the
opportunity.
E
Some
of
those
solutions.
Many
of
those
solutions
will
be
eminently
trans
translatable
into
new
products
into
new
services
into
new
companies
and
into
new
enterprises,
and
that's
why
we've
got
the
business
accelerator
as
a
key
part
of
the
the
model,
and
that
is
linked
into
an
enterprise
program
that
will
actively
support
startup
and
scale
up
of
companies
within
within
the
the
region
and
then
to
make
the
whole
thing
sing.
We
want
to
have
a
kind
of
open
innovation.
B
E
There
is
a
small
amount
of
the
money
that
that
will
flow
through
the
the
the
phase,
one
business
accelerator
that
will
actually
be
able
to
pump
prime
grant
funding
to
companies
that
want
to
come
into
this
space
and
work
with
us.
That
is
something
that
we
can
capitalize
against
the
investment
and
that
will
start
kickstart.
We
intend
the
cyclical
and
investment
fund
that
we
will
look
to
scale
up
over
time.
E
We'll
also
do
things
like
we've
already
started
talking
to
the
5g
center
about
this,
for
example,
seek
funding
specific
funding
for
innovation,
challenge
competitions,
where
we
can
put
money
into
companies
and
who
are
bringing
their
great
ideas
and
work
with
them
develop.
Those
solutions
then
take
a
share
in
that
success
and
reinvest.
It.
B
B
Seems
like
a
thing
on
a
completely
different
scale,
but
that's
really
good.
That's
that's
good.
I
just
had
two
other
very
small
things.
You'll
be
pleased
to
hear
chair
on
page
282.
There's,
there's
there's
a
bit
about
sipa
in
there
and
I
I
was
looking
down
here
and
it
enlisted
the
various
outside
organizations
and
and
sort
of
like
they
were.
They
were
interested
in
this,
but
the
super
bit
was
pending
a
review
in
its
priorities.
E
B
I
can't
imagine
that
simple
would
be
anything
other
than
incredibly
enthusiastic
about
this
project
4.3
on
page
334,
in
the
benefits
realization
plan-
and
this
is
my
final
question-
and
just
just
I'm
wondering
there-
you've
got
993
places
for
you
know,
interactions
is
here
and
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
understand.
What's
the
what's
your
kind
of
thinking
there
about
the
breakdown
of
that
between
schools,
colleges
and
universities,
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
assurance
that
that
we
are
looking
at
skills
across
the
whole
region
area.
E
No,
absolutely
so
we
we
absolutely
want
this
to
be
a
resource
for
for
the
region.
We
are
working
with
bt
on
a
potential
demonstration
of
the
the
the
kind
of
technologies
that
we're
developing
that
we
hope
will
be
included
in
the
cop
26
exhibition
space,
and
that
is
based,
amongst
other
things,
on
some
I'm
going.
I'm
going
to
sound,
horribly
uncool
at
the
moment
and
say
it's:
it's
got
lots
of
cool
things
that
will
really
engage
school,
children
and
other
learners
in
terms
of.
E
Bt
have
just
rolled
out
a
an
immersive
experience,
classroom
as
part
of
the
airshow
growth
deal
and
we're
talking
to
them
about
how
we
can
pair
up
and
bring
some
of
that
to
the
fourth
valley
region.
So
absolutely
we
want
to
make
sure
that.
Well,
if
we're
going
to
change
the
dynamic
around
gender
representation
in
stem
subjects,
we
need
to
start
in
primary
schools
at
the
latest.
It's
that
simple!
So
absolutely
it
will
be
across
the
range.
B
B
So
john,
it's
probably
not
necessary
for
the
actual
business
case,
but
it's
something
worthwhile
thinking
about
at
what
stage
you
might
want
to
start
the
process
of
them
interacting
with
the
national
park,
because
they've
got
a
good
three
quarters
of
the
the
the
fourth
catchment
area
sits
in
the
in
the
law
of
homeland
and
trotsky's
national
park.
It's
not
one
that
necessarily
needs
a
response.
Just
now.
E
A
Certainly,
this
is
certainly
exciting
stuff
and
hopefully,
in
terms
of
linking
in
with
you
know,
with
5g.
We've
also
got
our
digital
hubs
and
the
digital
link,
incubator
hubs
and
the
calendar
and
and
and
curry.
So
you
know
these
are
sort
of
areas
that
can
easily
interlink
with
these
innovations,
and
so
there's
really
a
great
potential
out
there
for
a
more
integrated
approach
across
across
other
city
deal
themes
such
as
the
digital
agenda
so
and
code
base.
A
So
that's
that's,
really
good
and
also
build
on
in
terms
of
the
usage
of
the
infrastructure
available
through
city
fiber.
Although
you
know
competitors
to
bt
in
many
respects,
but
working
working
together
and
that
really
looks
like
there's
some
really
good
potential
out
there
for
a
advancing
the
digital
agenda.
So
is
there
any
other
points?
A
Are
we
happy
to
go
and
approve
the
outline
business
case
for
scotland's
international
environment
center
and
two
note
that,
following
approval,
the
project
will
move
to
full
business
case
development
and
commencement
of
delivery,
which
would
all
be
looking
forward
to
agreed
agreed
agreed
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.