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From YouTube: Board of Adjustments April 26, 2017
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Board of Adjustments and Appeals meeting April 26, 2017
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C
D
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F
D
Thank
you.
Let's
make
sure
we
silence
our
cell
phones,
please
good,
and
when
you
get
to
the
podium,
please
be
sworn
in
first
and
state.
Your
name
and
address
I
see
no
reason
to
deviate
from
the
agenda.
I'd
like
to
postpone
the
minutes
of
the
code
till
the
end
as
usual,
and
we
can
start
off
with
the
first
one,
which
is
44
central
court
and
puts
again
with
our
City
Attorney's
office,
giving
us
guidance.
Please.
C
This
is
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding
where
the
Board
of
Adjustment
Act
and
its
laws
are
judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi
judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi
judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
facts
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearings
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
establish
criteria
contained
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
C
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
confident,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
confident,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
sign
against
the
African.
C
G
H
G
Family
residential
districts
are
70
in
particular,
which
requires
a
20-foot
rear
setback
and
another
code
that
needs
to
consider
is
in
consideration
is
the
accessory
uses
in
structure
code,
section,
36,
point
0
0,
it
reads:
an
accessory
type
structure
which
shares
a
structural
wall
is
attached
to
or
separated
by
a
distance
of
less
than
2.
Feet
shall
be
deemed
to
be
part
of
the
primary
structure
and
must
comply
with
the
setback
requirements
of
the
districts
in
which
it
is
located.
G
If
applicant
is
requesting
to
reduce
the
required
20-foot
year,
20-foot
rear
part
setback
to
16
feet
and
7
inches
to
reconstruct
a
screen
porch
that
once
existed
on
the
site,
apparently
only
the
concrete
pad
or
the
former
screen
porch
remains
on
the
site.
The
city
does
not
allow
structures
to
be
permitted
within
easements.
This
county
property
appraiser
site
indicates
that
the
patio
and
screen
forts
were
added
in
1991
one
year
after
the
adoption
of
the
current
code
requirements
by
previous
owner.
G
G
So
I
set
forth
in
section
2
15.0
to
be
at
the
land
development
code.
The
BOA
shall
grant
no
variance
unless
certain
standards
are
met
and
proven
by
competent,
substantial
evidence.
These
criteria
are
provided
below
number
1.
The
need
for
the
requested
variance
arises
out
of
the
physical
surroundings,
shape
typographical
conditions
or
other
physical
or
environmental
conditions
that
are
unique
to
the
specific
property
involved
and
which
do
not
apply
generally
to
property
located
in
the
same
burning.
District.
Staffs
analysis
is
that
the
property
is
regular
in
shape
and
is
considered
a
conforming
lot
of
record.
G
Staffs
analysis
is
that
the
literal
enforcement
of
the
LDC
would
not
deny
the
applicant
reasonably
used
the
property
home
or
existing
patio
number
for
branding.
The
variance
will
not
confer
any
special
privilege
that
is
not
allowed
for
other
lands,
buildings
or
structures
in
the
same
zoning
district,
no
variance
will
be
granted
that
expense
to
the
applicant
or
use
of
property
that
is
not
commonly
enjoyed
by
other
persons
and
similar
circumstances.
G
Des
analysis
is
that
framing
the
variance
would
confer
a
special
privilege,
that
is,
that
is
not
allowed
for
other
lands,
buildings
or
structures
in
the
same
zoning
district.
Since
all
of
the
Lots
within
the
district
have
the
same
20-foot
rear
yard
set
setback
requirement
number
five,
granting
the
variance
will
not
substantially
diminished
property
values
in
the
surrounding
area,
substantially
interfere
with
or
injure
the
rights
of
others
whose
property
would
be
affected
by
approval
of
the
variance,
alter
the
essential
character
of
the
neighborhood
or
create
a
nuisance.
G
Staff
believes
that
branding
the
variance
would
not
negatively
affect
the
property
values
in
the
area
or
create
a
nuisance,
staffs
findings.
Of
fact,
the
request
is
to
reduce
the
required
20-foot
rear
yard
setback
to
16
feet,
7
inches
to
reconstruct
the
screen
forts,
which
once
existed
within
the
same
footprint
number
2.
There
is
no
physical
hardship
associated
with
this
request.
A
lot
is
regular
in
shape
and
meets
the
minimal
dimensional
criteria
for
the
r70
zoning
district
number
3.
The
request,
variances
sub
created
hardship
number
for
the
little
littoral
enforcement
of
the
requirements
of
the
landfill.
G
My
code
would
not
deny
the
applicant
reasonable
use
of
the
property
number
5
raining.
The
variance
would
extend
a
special
privilege
to
the
applicant
number
6.
Granting
of
this
variance
would
not
diminish
property
values,
interfere
with
or
injure
the
rights
of
others
nor
create
a
nuisance
and
number
7.
G
The
request
does
not
conform
to
the
general
intent
of
the
LDC
and
the
policies
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan,
so
the
staffs
recommendation
is
for
denial,
the
requested
variance
to
reduce
the
required
20-foot
rear
yard
setback
to
16
feet,
7
inches
to
reconstruct
the
screen
room
which
once
existed
within
this.
The
request
does
not
meet
the
review
criteria
established
in
sections
two
15.0
to
be,
and
to
15.0
to
0.5
of
the
LDC
any
question.
Thank.
D
You
any
a
correspondence
from
the
public
comments
phone
calls.
No,
nothing
is
the
applicant
in
the
audience
all
right,
you're
taking
their
place.
Okay,
you've
been
sworn
sir,
are
you're
entitled
to
give
your
state
your
case
as
well
as
cross-examine
the
staff,
if
you
like
to,
if
you
have
any
questions
of
this
damn
otherwise,
please
take
the
podium
and
identify
yourself.
D
I
I
They
contracted
with
us
to
remove
this
dilapidated
room.
That
was
on
the
back
of
their
home.
They
have
just
purchased
it
in
the
past
year
and
they
wanted
to
improve
the
property
and
I'd
like
to
read
this
letter
that
they
wrote
for
their
neighbors.
If
I
could
in
September
of
2016,
we
acquired
the
property,
can.
I
September
2016,
we
acquired
the
property
at
1309,
mears,
Boulevard
and
tarpon
springs.
That
needs
several
major
repairs
and
home
improvements
to
bring
it
back
to
an
attractive
part
of
our
neighborhood.
The
existing
lanai
roof
and
screen
porch
need
to
be
replaced,
and
we
are
respectfully
asking
our
neighbors
and
Zoning
Board
of
Tarpon
Springs
for
approval.
In
doing
so,
we
would
also
like
to
replace
the
decayed
fence
clean
up.
The
outside
overgrown
air
is
an
enclosed
porch,
because
it
is
in
everyone.
I
It
is
an
eyesore
as
a
corner
property
and
in
plain
view
of
the
neighbors
and
the
entrance
to
neighborhood,
with
your
our
neighbors
and
the
Zoning
Board
of
Tarpon
Springs
approval.
Our
plan
is
to
replace
the
existing
lanai
roof
and
screen
porch,
make
the
necessary
repairs
on
our
home,
replace
the
decayed
fence
and
landscaping
and
clean
up
the
property.
This
will
allow
us
to
improve
our
neighborhood.
I
They
are
direct
neighbors
on
the
same
street
and
then,
after
that
there
are
some
photos.
The
first
one
is
a
aerial
view
of
the
room
before
it
was
removed
and
then
a
couple
of
pictures
of
the
room
itself
and
then
the
there's
a
photo
with
the
room
being
torn
down,
and
it
shows
the
existing
slab
still
there.
And
if
you
look
the
house
right
next
door
to
it,
has
a
room
on
the
back
of
it.
That
is
directly
in
line
with
the
one
that
was
taken
down.
D
I
I
A
B
I
I
I
I
C
I
I
14
11
meters,
Boulevard
enclosure,
seven
feet
from
the
rear
property
line
in
1419
years,
boulevards
enclosures,
eight
feet
from
the
real
property
line
and
then
13
11
years
Boulevard
with
this
property
that
we're
talking
about
behind
the
corner.
Lot:
the
adjacent
corner
lot,
where
you
can
stand
in
this
backyard
and
look
in
the
other
backyards.
They
have
a
wood
deck
and
then
a
structure
with
a
solid
roof
that
is
13
feet
from
the
rear
property
line,
which
is
further
than
we're
asking
to
go
and
again,
I.
Don't
know
if
that
one
was
permitted.
G
Kind
of
the
code
reads
differently
for
spring
form,
so
that
has
no
bearing
on
asset-backed
or
spring.
Fool
has
no
bearing
on
this
is
considered
instructor,
so
we're
an
active
screen
over.
They
don't
forget
as
instructors
if
it's
not
opposed.
That's
Napoli,
okay,
so
there's
completely
separate
codes.
As
far
as
the
setback
verbal
thank.
I
I
guess
my
question
to
that
is:
this
is
still
considered
a
screen
enclosure.
It
I,
don't
understand
why
it
would
be
different,
classified
different
than
a
pool,
enclosure
or
swimming
pool.
For
that
sake
you
know
these
swimming
pools.
Are
you
know
as
much
as
seven
eight
nine
feet
from
a
property
line,
but
we
can't
put
a
screen
room
with
a
with
a
solid
roof.
You
know
within
20
feet,
I,
don't
I,
don't
understand
the
classification
cards.
G
That
could
rates
that
anything
below
I
believe
it's
33
inches
is
not
considered
an
obstruction
for
yard
encroachment,
so
that
slide
is
not
stopping
with
wood.
That
federate
grade
4
once
again
pools
that
have
a
load
that,
because
this
structure
expressed
the
view
above
33
inches
about
the
ground,
it
is
considered
an
accessory
corrector
to
the
primary
use
and
because
it's
attached
it's
something
and
it
has
a
roof
on
it.
It's
something
that
food
it
someday
being
enclosed
as
a
lanai.
So
it's
looked
at
as
parties
for
it.
What
it
isn't.
I
I
C
C
B
I
D
C
You're,
going
to
reiterate
was
the
last
time
that
whatever
the
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood
have
are
not
germane
to
this
application.
It's
not
probative
information
you're
to
just
consider
this
application
and
the
application
before
you
not
the
other
homes
to
the
side
or
what
they
have,
what
variances
they
might
have
or
what
was
permitted.
C
I
H
I
I
G
B
G
I
Are
keeping
at
this
and
and
we're
trying
to
do
everything
by
the
book?
Okay,
which
got
us
caught?
Okay,
but
but
this
we
talked
about
this,
a
self-inflicted
hardship,
but
this
homeowner
just
bought
this
house
this
year
when
they
bought
this
house.
They
didn't
know
it
was
not
in
that
it
was
in
violation.
You
know
everything
goes
through
for
their
closing.
They
buy
a
house,
you
know,
and
they
want
to
do
the
right
thing
for
the
neighborhood
and
the
safety
of
the
property
I.
H
H
H
C
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
Craig
Boyle,
the
owner
contractor
Voyles
women
have
been
screening
and
I
actually
did
ask
Evans
to
do
majority.
Speaking
on
my
behalf,
as
he's
more,
he
has
a
better
understanding
of
the
of
the
exact
project
being
the
project,
manager
and
kind
of
seeing
it
up
to
this
point
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
reiterate
that
you
know
the
structure
was
there.
J
Originally,
it
was
now
we've
found
out
that
it
was
built,
apparently,
after
the
codes,
ordinance
had
changed
for
the
setback
requirements
and
also
that
it
was
built
without
a
permit
which
we
had
no
prior
knowledge
of,
but
the
main
reason
of
us
you
know
asking
for
you
guys
to
grant.
This
variance
is
to
allow
us
to
improve
the
neighborhood
and
approved
really
the
appearance
of
something
that
was
already
there.
Originally.
The
main
reason
that
the
homeowner
decided
to
make
that
improvement
was
primarily
due
to
the
damage
that
there
actually
was
on
there.
J
There
was
a
drywall
ceiling
with
a
ceiling
fan
that
was
falling
down,
not
a
good
idea
to
have
drywall.
You
know
outside
on
an
open
patio
in
Florida.
You
know
the
humidity
destroys
that
and
it
eventually
will
collapse.
You
know
as
well
as
the
post
that
were
actually
supporting
the
structure
they
weren't
sighs.
You
know
that
they
needed
to
be
to
support
the
weight
of
a
conventionally
framed
roof,
which
was
all
you
know,
pressure,
treated,
plywood
and,
and
you
know
really
not
built
to
code.
J
Without
the
you
know,
the
board's
approval,
it's
likely
that
that
that
concrete
slab
will
just
sit
there
with
nothing
on
it
and
and
really
kind
of
you
know,
change
the
homeowners
mindset
of
trying
to
actually
improve
improve
that
home,
and
so
that's
really
all
I
wanted
to
add
was
just
to
reiterate
the
reasoning
behind
asking
for
the
variance
and
and
the
reason
why
you
know
that
structure
was
removed.
You
know
realistically
before
it
should
have
been
removed,
but
it
was
primarily
due
to
the
condition
of
it.
You
know
and
potentially
hurting
somebody.
So
thank.
J
D
Your
questions
about
this
particular
witness
or
anybody
I,
want
to
remind
the
board
I'll
work.
This
deef
screen
enclosure
can
be
built.
It's
just
a
question.
Is
it
going
to
be
sixteen
point,
seven
feet
from
the
property
line
or
20
feet
from
the
bribery
lab
code?
I
were
talking
about
three
feet
and
looking
at
this
photograph
aerial
photograph-
and
this
item
number
four
on
our
criteria,
a
no
variance
will
be
granted
that
extends
to
the
applicant.
D
G
B
D
B
B
D
G
This
application
is
to
authorize
a
variance
to
expand
the
non-conforming
structure
to
include
a
new
attached
garage
to
the
rear
of
the
home
on
a
non-conforming
line.
This
property
is
located
within
the
CRM
conditional
residential
mixed
use,
district
and
the
minimum
lot
width
is
60
feet
before
required
and
within
the
are
70
dimensional
requirements.
G
Suppose
this
properties
look
is
generally
located
between
South
Rose
and
South
Leavitt
avenues
at
433
East
for
Street
the
subject:
property
measures
57
by
6
feet
wide,
which
is
under
the
60
foot
lot
with
the
quorum
in
the
district,
making
it
legal
non-conforming
lot
existing
home
on
the
site
was
built
in
1925
and
does
not
meet
the
25
foot
front
yard
setback
requirement
of
the
district,
making
it
a
legal
non-conforming
structure.
The
applicant
would
like
to
construct
a
garage
in
the
rear
of
the
lot
attached
to
the
home
at
attached
to
the
home.
G
However,
section
24
point:
O
3,
a
and
B
of
the
LDC
prevents
largeman
of
the
non-conforming
structure,
except
by
variance
the
review
for
criteria.
Number
1
is
the
need
for
the
requested
variance
arises
out
of
the
physical
surroundings,
shape
taupe
graphical
conditions
or
the
physical
environment
for
environmental
conditions
that
are
unique
to
the
property
and
which
do
not
apply
generally
to
the
property
located
in
the
same
district.
Gas
analysis
is
that
many
of
the
homes
on
the
street
do
not
meet
the
minimum
lot.
Width
of
the
zoning
district.
G
The
bridge
could
not
be
located
to
the
side
of
the
home
due
to
the
lack
of
adequate
lot
with
to
meet
the
required
setbacks.
In
that
case,
this
could
be
considered
a
physical
hardship.
However,
a
detached
garage
is
permitted
within
the
rear
yard,
without
the
need
of
a
variance
approval
number
2.
The
conditions
are
special
circumstances,
peculiar,
peculiar
to
the
property,
have
not
been
self
created
or
have
resulted
from
an
action
by
the
applicant
or
with
fire
knowledge
or
approval
or
the
applicants.
G
Staff
analysis
is
that's
requested.
Variance
is
not
a
self
created
hardship
due
to
the
non-conforming
home
being
built
prior
to
the
adoption
of
the
current
load
requirements.
However,
it
is
considered
a
self
rated
hardship,
because
the
applicant
requests
the
garage
to
be
attached
with
existing
home
when
a
detached
garage
could
sequence
sit
in
the
rear
yard
without
the
variance
approval
number
three,
the
littoral
enforcement
of
the
requirements
of
the
LDC
could
have
the
effect
of
denying
the
applicant
reasonably
used
the
property
or
legally
conforming
buildings
or
other
structures
and
the
request.
G
A
variance
is
the
minimum
variance
that
will
make
possible
the
reasonable
use
of
the
property.
Staffs
analysis
is
that
that
the
littoral
enforcement
of
the
LDC
would
not
deny
the
applicant
reasonable
use
of
the
property
for
the
home
number
for
granting.
The
variance
will
not
convey
any
special
privilege
that
is
not
allowed
for
other
is
not
allowed
for
other
lands,
buildings
or
structures
than
the
same
zoning.
G
You
think
so.
The
findings
of
fact,
findings
of
facts
are
number
one.
The
request
is
to
authorize
a
variance
to
expand
a
non-conforming
structure
to
include
a
new
attached
garage
to
the
rear
of
the
home
on
a
non-conforming
lot
number
two.
There
is
no
physical
hardship
associated
with
this
request.
The
attached
garage
can
be
constructed
in
the
rear
of
the
property
without
the
need
for
a
variance
number
three.
The
requests
of
variance
is
a
self-created
hardship.
G
Number
four:
the
littoral
enforcement
of
the
requirements
of
land
development
code
would
not
do
not
applicant
reasonably
used
for
the
property
number
five.
The
granting
of
the
variance
would
not
spend
a
special
privilege
to
the
applicant
number.
Six.
The
granting
of
experience
would
not
diminish
the
property
values
interview
with
or
injured
the
rights
of
others
nor
create
a
nuisance
number
seven.
The
request
does
not
conform
to
the
general
intent
of
the
LDC
and
the
policies
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan.
G
Therefore,
staff
recommends
denial
to
request
a
variance
to
extend
acids
non-conforming
structure
to
include
a
new
attached
garage,
the
rear
of
the
home
on
a
non-conforming
lot.
The
request
does
not
meet
the
review
criteria
established
in
sections
two
point:
five
excuse
me
15.0
to
be
and
200
point
zero.
Two
point,
five
by
the
LDC,
and
I
would
like
to
mention
that
the
applicant
has
submitted
a
site
plan
showing
where
they
would
like
to
locate
that
bridge
and
it
is
within
a
setback
required
for
the
district.
D
C
B
K
It
just
got
old
and
decrepit,
but
I
want
to
attach
it
to
the
house.
So
when
she
pulled
in
she
in
the
house,
like
my
house
is
currently
now
when
we
pulled
in
the
garage,
the
back
door
was
there
and
she
can
let
the
garage
go
down,
and
it's
not.
She
in
the
house.
I
don't
want
to
have
to
walk
from
a
detached
about
$20
to
get
to
the
back
door.
And
that's
that's
that's
it.
Thank
you.
Okay,
miss.
D
A
A
G
A
A
G
D
C
Of
course,
regardless
of
the
size
that
there,
the
application
says
that
there
a
lot
with
the
subject,
property
measures,
fifty
seven
point
six
feet
which
is
under
the
60
foot
lot
with
requirement.
So,
if
you're,
adding,
if
you're,
adding
a
constructed
garage
it's
attached
to
the
property,
it
would
then
increase
the
nonconformity
of
the
lot,
and
that
requires
the
variance
so,
regardless
of
the
size
of
the
attached
garage,
it's
always
going
to
create.
C
It's
always
going
to
increase
the
knots
for
me,
the
non-conforming,
if
you
would
have
it
a
detached
garage
in
the
back,
it
doesn't
increase
the
nonconformity
of
the
law.
It
says
it's
no
long!
It's
not
attached
to
the
structure,
it's
an
accessory
structure
in
the
back.
So
that's
why
the
variance
is
required
because,
regardless,
if
it
was
a
20-foot
garage
or
a
50-foot
garage,
they're
still
attaching
it
to
the
property
and
it's
still
expanding
the
non-conforming.
That.
D
C
D
D
H
F
K
H
A
D
E
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
Those
two
we've,
even
though
the
criteria
we've
talked
about
the
last
over
a
year
or
so
look
under
those
criteria.
We
were
supposed
to
say
no,
we
voted.
Yes,
we
had
to
tonight
right
under
the
criteria.
Strict
application,
we're
not
supposed
to
Abreu,
give
the
give
the
variance
grant
the
variance,
but
we
did
in
each
case
unanimously
and
I,
went
to
the
City
Commission
a
year
ago
or
so
to
discuss
the
criteria
and
I
felt
that
the
criteria
was
needed
to
be
addressed
by
the
City
Commission,
hopefully
by
the
Board
of
Adjustment.
D
So
so
that's
where
I
am
right
now
I
would
like
to
see.
I
did
prepare
two
orders
that
I
know
if
everybody's
gotten
a
copy
of
those
orders
that
I
thought
a
better
address,
not
perfectly,
of
course,
but
better.
A
better
address.
The
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
the
board's
discussion
that
I'd
like
to
have
those
approved
in
case
the
City
Commission
ever
decides
to
appeal.
D
Our
decision
is
they're
not
going
to
make
the
change
to
the
ordinance
to
make
it
more
common-sense
I
think
it's
those
criteria
extremely
hamstringing
us
as
far
as
our
decisions
and
just
tonight.
There
are
two
examples
to
attitude
where
we
deviated
from
the
staff
position
from
the
city
ordinances
for
reasons
we
have
discussed
tonight
and,
having
said
enough,
I'd
like
to
hear
what
the
board
has
to
say
about
that.
C
We're
not
here
tonight
to
discuss
the
orders
that
were
changed,
we're
here,
to
discuss
your
rules
or
procedures,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
that
we
stick
to
the
agenda
item,
which
is
the
changes
to
your
rules
of
procedure,
so
those
orders
were
specifically
discussed
nots.
We
discussed
at
a
meeting
because
those
are
the
decisions
that
you
make
at
this
board.
Those
decisions,
whether
or
not
the
order
is
drafted
to
say
what
it
is.
It
is
a
record
of
this
meeting,
but
your
decision.
As
of
that
night,
that's
assessed
when
the
decision
gets
made.
C
That's
when
the
applicant
has
their
go-ahead
or
their
denial,
so
the
orders,
while
I
appreciate
that
you
feel
that
they
were
incorrect.
Those
decisions
have
already
happened.
You
have
already
been
told
by
the
city
manager
that
those
are
not
going
to
be
discussed
at
a
board
meeting,
and
the
agenda
item
on
tonight's
agenda
is
towards
the
rules
of
procedure
to
be
discussed,
so
those
orders
will
not
be
discussed,
but
you
can
certainly
discuss
making
changes
to
any
or
all
of
your
roof.
D
Having
heard
that
and
I
would
all
due
respect
that
I
would
disagree,
but
let's
go
along
with
that
for
now
and
say.
Is
there
a
motion
from
the
board
to
amend
our
rules
to
state
either
of
those
two
options
that
I
discussed
just
now
or
some
other
option
again,
one
option
is
all
orders
who
come
to
the
Board
of
Adjustment
for
consideration
and
the
other
one
being
if
the
Chairman
deems
it
appropriate
in
a
courtroom
setting
there's
a
trial,
for
example,
and
then
the
proposed
the
say,
there's
two
attorneys
on
each
side.
D
They
propose
an
order
to
the
judge
and
the
George
judge
considers
that
and
the
the
judge
order.
The
appellate
court
then
considers
the
order
and
signs
it
after
the
trial,
and
sometimes
it
takes
weeks
or
months
for
these
orders
to
be
approved
because
of
the
complicated
evidence
that
often
is
presented
at
trial,
same
kind
of
a
situation.
Here
we
have
facts
presented
with
a
discussion.
We
have
argument
about
what
the
rules
they
about,
what
the
ordinances
intend
to
say
and
I.
D
Don't
and
we
have
to,
we
have
to
reduce
that
order
to
writing
and
it's
not
an
easy
thing
to
do,
and
the
staff
does
a
good
job
of
doing
that.
But
in
certain
instances,
like
the
ones
tonight,
I
would
like
the
Board
of
Adjustment
to
have
the
opportunity
to
pass
on
the
wording
of
those
order
and
that's
what
I
would
like
to
have
done.
A
B
F
B
C
We
just
the
staff
will
take
the
recommendation
to
the
Commission
and
then
we
can.
You
know
we'll
make
sure
that
the
wording
is
pressed
for
the
one.
That's
51.
If
you
want
to
do
the
either
aura
I
mean
this
for
basically
decided
that
they
want
all
the
orders
fits
into
the
board
you're
going
to
need
to
figure
out
how
you
want
that
to
happen.
Is
it
won't
be
like
because
of
the
issues
it
always
I
foresee
happening?
Is
that
the
order
Center
the
board?
C
The
issue
is
going
to
be
that
if
they're
incorrect
from
what
you
remember
from
the
record
from
a
month
previous
to
that
and
you're
going
to
want
to
make
changes
to
finding
the
fact
for
we
discuss,
the
issue
is
going
to
be
that
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
that.
You're
not
going
to
be
able
to
rediscover
patient
artists
enough
for
you
and
we
discussed
services.
You
are
literally
going
to
say
well,
I
recall
the
record
said
XYZ
and
we
have
the
record.
C
That's
why
staff
generally
prepares
the
orders,
because
they
can
listen
to
the
records
and
they
can
go
ahead
and
prepare
the
finding
of
fact
exactly,
as
they
were
said
so
you're
going
to
need
to
kind
of
expand
on
that
recommendation
to
the
board
about
how
you
want
that
to
look,
because
if
it's
going
to
come
before
the
sword,
you
know
you
can't
to
use
your
courtroom.
Now
you
relitigate
this
all
right.
D
Let's
try
this
on
for
size,
suppose
the
staff
prepares
an
order,
and
it's
attached
to
the
minutes
of
the
next
meeting
and
any
particular
board
member
can
prepare
a
provision
or
correction
or
comments
to
that
proposed
order
for
consideration
as
part
of
the
minutes
of
the
succeeding
month's
meeting.
How
does
that
work?
I.
F
D
D
Fact,
the
fusions
of
law
to
see
the
easy
part
is
the
birth
of
the
baby
part
is
getting
tonight.
We
have
that
example:
I
apologize
because
people
in
same
thing,
so
what
we're
going
to
my
proposal
is
then
for
the
staff
proposed
order
to
be
at
at
to
the
minutes.
We
get
those
minutes.
Maybe
a
week
ahead.
Oh
I
have
the
succeeding
months
meeting
and
then
any
particular
board.
Member
can
make
adjustments
comments
to
that
proposed
order
and
we'll
discuss
it
when
we
prepare
when
we
approve
the
minutes
of
the
prior
meeting
as
they
and.
C
C
60
days
or
90
days,
the
other
issues,
who
is
the
same
one,
that
we
have
with
some
situations
with
evidence
is
presented.
You
know
understanding
when
you
talk
about
a
minute
if
you're
editing
a
minute
for
the
record
you're
saying
oh
I,
wasn't
here,
I
didn't
vote
that
way
or
fifth
on
the
other
generally
not
making
substitute
changes.
This
is
amiss
and
if
you
are
the
person,
that's
making
a
change
needs
to
make
some
change
that
what
they
contributed.
A
D
D
D
G
Would
like
to
add
that
what's
that
puts
together
in
writing
as
far
as
what
the
decision
is
made
is
kept
as
brief
as
possible,
and
it
doesn't
go
into
the
reasoning
of
the
decision.
It
just
states
what
was
approved,
what
was
not
approved
and
that
is
it
and
I
guarantee
you
that
these
people,
that
it
were
food
tonight,
they're
going
to
be
here
tomorrow
morning
wanting
a
permit
and
they
can't
fool
the
permit.
Without
that
approval
letter.
Let.
D
C
And
there's
only
there's
not
even
a
legal
requirement
of
an
order.
The
record
is
the
record
and
the
applicant
is
responsible
for
making
sure
that
they
obtain
a
record
if
they
want
a
seal.
So
there's
not
a
requirement
to
have
an
order.
Now.
I
will
tell
you
all,
there's
no
requirement
in
your
code
to
have
an
order,
and
and
under
the
statute,
there's
not
a
necessarily
requirement.
I
have
recently
had
a
case
with
the
Appellate
Division
of
smells
of
the
Sixth
Circuit.
C
That
said
that,
if
your
order
was
not
sufficient
enough
and
our
order
had
findings
of
that
needed
to
have
findings
of
fact
needed
to
have
not
necessarily
the
reasoning
but
needed
a
list,
the
criteria
and
then
it
needed
a
list
with
the
Board's
decision.
So
I
would
recommend
to
this
board
that
if
you're
going
to
have
a
format
for
your
orders
that
it
be
findings
of
fact
section.
You
know
a
summary
background
findings.
The
facts
section,
a
decision
so
that
it's
right
serious
action
and
assistance.
C
But
again,
you
know
your
rules
of
procedure,
don't
go
into
what's
the
form
of
the
order
it
is.
It
just
goes
into
how
it's
supposed
to
be.
I
would
suggest
that
putting
in
the
form
of
the
orders,
not
necessarily
a
rule
of
procedure,
but
I
do
think
that
it
doesn't
change.
We
some
felt
before
the
board
is
fast
can
put
before
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
with
relatives.
You're
emailing
them
out
and
having
them
presented
with
a
minute
is.
D
D
F
C
D
F
F
Going
to
add
these
are
going
to
go
on
so
I
say
we.
We
make
our
proposal
to
change
that
and
it
doesn't
have
to
come
back
for
our
approval.
Again.
We
just
take
out
the
findings
of
fact
take
that
out
of
the
list
of
things
on
that
document
and
and
it's
clean,
and
so
when
they
approve
what
we've
said
then
we'll
move
on
that
way.
But
right
now
it
will
be
well.
C
D
C
B
C
C
F
C
There's
no
harm
to
those
folks
at
all,
because
whatever
your
experiment
procedure
is,
it
needs
to
be
followed.
This
says
within
30
days
so
or
the
decision
of
the
board
will
be
final,
so
it
doesn't
matter
if
the
chairman
find
those
orders
or
not.
Those
decisions
are
already
final.
Those
are
done,
I
think.
D
F
C
D
D
C
Fast,
okay,
so
instead,
where
it
says
number
14
decisions-
and
it
says
the
secretary
below
you
want
to
wipe
all
that
out-
and
you
say:
orders
will
not
will
no
longer
include
finding
the
facts
or
conclusions
of
law.
There
will
be
no
freezing
within
the
order,
doesn't
say
who's
going
to
draft
it
its
timing.
You
want
to
take
all
of
that
out.
Well,.
D
Could
I
say
all
right
in
our
current
rule,
number
14,
the
secretary
shall
prepare
and
the
Chairman
shall
execute
written
notice
to
the
respective
applicants
advising
of
a
decision
of
the
board
we're
just
going
to
adhere
to
that.
We
don't
have
to
change
anything.
The
decision
would
just
state
the
variance
is
granted
or
denied
I.
B
F
B
D
C
Look
I've
said
what
I
need
to
say:
y'all
want
to
put
a
change
before
the
board.
You
can
put
a
change
before
the
board,
but
I'm
going
to
tell
you
what
that's
the
orders.
That's
the
way
that
it
is
now
is
it's
the
form
of
the
order.
Unless
you
change
your
rules
procedure,
the
form
of
the
order
will
be
what
is
dictated
by
the
city
may
service
affirm.
F
D
C
That
and
I
will
tell
you
if
you
all
do
not
know
some
background
that
mr.
Ely's
did
have
some
changes
to
that
order.
The
city
manager
and
the
City
Attorney
had
a
discussion
in
the
city
manager
said
the
form
of
the
orders
of
how
the
procedures
done
now:
how's
the
fourth
seat,
so
much
mail,
exchanger
procedure,
that's
how
it's
going
to
be
indicates
the
the
org
yeah.
So
you
have
to
speak
to
the
city
manager
and
get
some
assistance
to
things
before
review
or
you
can
put
it
in
your
rules
of
procedure.