Tarpon Springs City Hall Board of Commissioners 2017, 3 Aug 2017

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Budget Work Session

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Now call to order the budget work session of the Board of Commissioners of the city of Tartu francs on Tuesday August actually should be Thursday August 3rd 2017 at 6:30 p.m.

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The purpose of tonight's meeting is for the Board of Commissioners to study issues together and analyze information and to clarify questions. No votes are conducted during the work sessions. No public comments will be allowed tonight on the budget. However, it will be allowed during the two public hearings that we have scheduled for September, 6 and September 19 to 6:30 p.m. and now we're going to go to the item number 1, which is the general fund budget, Enterprise Fund CIAP.

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Mr. LeClair, is you ready for your presentation? Yes,.

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In the beginning of the presentation, Ron herring will start off.

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Good evening, mayor Commissioner on hearing finance director tonight we have the first budget workshop. Maybe the only one on the fiscal year 2018 budget, but first I, just like to thank the department, has they've worked hard on the budget. They keep it bare-bones they've been a big help to me during the budget process and they deserve a lot of things. Also like to thank the budget. Visor II committee they've worked very hard on the budget.

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They I met with every department and given us a lot of questions on things, but with that I'd like to start the presentation here.

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The first slide is showing the proposed budget as it currently is today. At fifty five million eight hundred sixty two thousand 805 last year's budget was 55 million 231 591 an increase of 631 thousand the five largest funds, a general fund at twenty three point: seven million the water and sewer fund at 16 million sanitation fund. At four point: nine million penny fund at three point: one stormwater fund at 2.3 million those total fifty point. Almost two million and those five funds alone are 90 percent of the budget; capital improvement projects.

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We got budgeted next year: eight million forty thousand and capital outlay equipment, computers, vehicles and other such things as 1 million. Two hundred thirty-eight thousand for a total of nine nine million two hundred seventy nine thousand seven twenty three and that number is included in the 55 million above.

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Budget assumptions for the total city: all funds are balanced. The general funds balance without using any unassigned fund balance property taxes. We have the property values, increase, 7.5 percent budgeted millage rate is unchanged at five point. Four: two for a total dollar increase of five hundred eighty eight thousand 816 and the general fund portion is five hundred sixty seven thousand 129 and the CRA fund increase is twenty-one thousand six eighty seven some more assumptions.

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We got a salary increase funded at three point: five percent for till about six hundred, thirty thousand police and fire union increases are not determined yet, but we funded a four percent in the budget for them: health, dental life, insurance, we budgeted 10 percent, we don't know the actual increase yet, but we've budgeted ten percent or three hundred ten thousand a lot of it. Due to a catastrophic claim that is out there. These insurance increases are funded by some insurance reserves.

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We have workers comp increase about eight percent mm 5:39, again funded by insurance reserves, property insurance, 15% increase of latest numbers, as it might be 9% for an increase at 80,000 986. It's also funded by some reserves. We have retirement accounts, are funded out to action. Our actuarial requirement, please at eight point one four percent and fire at seven hundred twenty eight thousand five. Seventy six and general employees eight point: seven percent new positions in the budget.

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We have an fire department, deputy chief EMS coordinator, firefighter paramedic, as you I, don't know if you know, but the safer grant that we applied for for the four paramedics. It looks like we're not sure if it doesn't seem like we're going to get that grant, but we still have some money budgeted already for a couple positions for fiscal 2018. The county is now giving us 25 percent more for the EMS coordinator position. Previously it was 75 percent, so we're getting a full hundred percent, so that'll help out and in planning we have.

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We have a new city, planner position in the budget and just to show you the change in the budget from the book that you got on June 20th to August 3rd 2017 for the total city, we've gotten our 55 million 862 8000 805. Your book had 55 million four hundred forty two thousand four forty five for an increase of four hundred twenty thousand three. Sixty the general fund changes on a future slide. It's about one hundred, eight thousand the safer grant was eliminated.

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It was in a separate fund for about three hundred sixty one thousand CRA adjustment for taemin change in property taxes. At the small change about seven thousand decrease penny fund adjustments for additional projects. We have a little over five hundred thousand and more penny projects that are in the budget now: sanitation, stormwater, golf course, funds, the interfund transfer has been adjusted and water sewer fund change is also on a future slide. It's about one hundred, eighty four thousand going to the general fund.

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The general fund budget. Currently today is 23 million $729,000 sixty five in your book. It was twenty three million six twenty two 80s and increase 108,000 779 the reasons for the change, a new planner position, 61,000 that includes benefits fire personnel adjustments before we had the two paramedics and they came to about 180 thousand.

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But now, since one of the physicians, a paramedic, the other ones, a deputy chief with the benefits that comes a little bit more, so we had to adjust a fire personnel to a positive 51,000 air capital Alec allocated depending we moved some stuff that was in the general fund, 125 thousand to the penny fund. There was a capital request for a Riverside field fence.

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It was decided it wasn't needed, so we took that out for 25,000 an impact study for police fire library, general government recreation impacts, looks for the ordinance were required to have an impact feed study done on those every three years. I got an estimate of a cost. It's fifty five thousand, some money for historical district study. Twenty thousand and the trolly increase. We've found it's increasing a little bit that thirty seven 502 an increase of 2453, but from what I hear we get seven days service.

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Now the the balance is a reserved for unfunded items, which can be used on later slides of sixty eight thousand eight thirty one for the total of one hundred, eight thousand seven, seventy nine again the new position, basically the same ones for the other side. But now it's got the totals on at the EMS deputy chief, the deputy chief EMS coordinator, 155 922, includes benefits firefighter paramedic. Seventy six thousand City Planning city planners sixty one thousand for a total of two hundred ninety three thousand and mentioned down below.

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Therefore that 25% here we mentioned that for that extra 25% is going to give the city almost thirty-nine thousand as part of the EMS contract.

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This graph I, always like the show from the history of the millage rate for the last ten eleven years and sort of interesting way like the millage rate started at 4.30. Eight nine went up to five point. Four or five I stayed there until you can't tell, but there's a little drop to five point four to their pin, but also the taxable values to the right that was the highest. It was was a 1 billion.

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Nine hundred thirty-eight thousand eight nine six 972 and then it decreased 33 percent down to 2013 to that 1 billion to 98, 345 335 and, as you can see, it's been increasing since then, and down the bottom, where the revenues went from 7.8 million in 2008 down to six point, seven million and then back up to today's budget of eight point: six million capital improvement projects: these are the capital improvement projects that are in the budget.

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City Hall building improvements I tried to sort these by the type of improve my general government, public safety, City Hall, building improvement, 65,000 public safety, firetruck and equipment. Sixty six hundred and seventy seven thousand police vehicles, 350 mm fire station apparatus, bay doors, seventy two thousand 768 fire staff vehicle, fifty thousand Public Safety, Building security, forty five thousand for a total block; 1.2 million of Public Safety transportation, brick Street and Road reconstruction.

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Three hundred fifty thousand and quote River dredging, three hundred thousand roadway reconfiguration, Wal Mart, QE, 125 thousand, and some public work yard improvements that came about 95 thousand for a total transportation of eight hundred. Seventy thousand culture and recreation cultural center. Exterior renovation like they did to this building with the bricks and the windows for the cultural center light on alternate nineteen about 650 thousand swimming pool year, one of three five hundred thousand for that construction.

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Craig park, tennis courts, playground, equipment, 30 thousand parking, lot, improvements, library, cultural center, 25 thousand for a total cultural recreational, 1.2 million physical environment, stormwater Penn, Street, 776 thousand citywide GIS stormwater mapping, two hundred thousand Highland Avenue Vista place one hundred nine thousand Tom Avenue between tarpon and golf. That's almost sixty thousand for total stormwater or 1 million one hundred forty six thousand and getting into the physical environment, water and sewer sort of total.

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These bio by the departments are because there was a lot of smaller items, but water plant improvements, 978 thousand two hundred that's 675 thousand of this- is for its four new well fields that they're looking for water supply, well field improvements, another 85,000, water distribution, improvement, six hundred, twelve thousand meter, repair change outs, two hundred twenty six thousand for a total 1.9 million of water improvements. Sewage collection includes sea breeze drives during seven hundred forty thousand of the 1.1 million three thousand 148 sewage treatment, plant improvements, 292,000 sewage, lift station improvements.

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Three hundred forty thousand and some item is in a non departmental. Twenty thousand four total sewer one point: six million total water and sewer of three million five hundred fifty seven thousand and total capital improvement projects at eight million. Forty thousand eight sixty seven and now we're getting into some positions that were cut from the budget and their unfunded currently, but that were items that requested by departments. We had a position that was requested by the police department of police officer, with cost of 75 thousand.

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Some or some capital that was cut from the budget, and hopefully, if we have year-end reserves, we could hopefully pay for it from reserves or, if not, we can put add it to the budget city clerk office, remodel fifty thousand fire station 69 and 70 improvements. Thirty thousand Craig park, shade structure, 25 thousand City Hall additional security cameras, fifteen thousand public's works security, cam upgrade ten thousand City Hall awning for handicap entrance 7500 roof a community center; five thousand Cultural Center interior painting, four thousand four total.

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There total there of one hundred and forty six thousand five hundred there's going to be another site. These items would think that these were more critical than the next slide. Let.

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Me, let me explain that a bit these really weren't items that were cut. These are items that were out there and we believe either by some savings that we've got some money, hopefully that we say from this year, or maybe some of the unknowns goes down we're hoping to fund those within those, um as opposed to the second page. The second page you'll see, are actually cutting. We don't think we'll be able to fund them in this year and they'll probably be funded in next year.

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So really, when you see the one police officer position, you see these lists we're hoping to find some way in this year's budget through the mechanisms I made to try to fund all or most of these things.

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And some more capitals on funding with the funding to be determined, roads and streets, a new mini excavator, seventy thousand, a trailer for the excavator fifteen thousand for parks, twelve, it I guess: twelve inch, wood, chipper, fifty four thousand, a new surface rake forty five thousand for recreation, a twenty four thirty passenger bus with wheelchair lift, sixty thousand and for recreational walk wall at the community center 30 thousand for a total of two hundred. Seventy four thousand three fifty and just a slide on the water and sewer fun.

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The second largest fund in the city budget currently is sixteen million. Twenty eight thousand eight, seventy nine. In yearbook it's from June 20th. It was fifteen million eight hundred and forty four thousand seven. Seventy six for an increase of one hundred. Eighty four thousand 103 the increases are utility billing office, remodel; thirty thousand Water and Sewer impact fees, study of twenty five thousand and water, and sewer interfund transfer adjustment of one hundred twenty nine thousand for a total of one hundred.

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Eighty four thousand 103 sanitation fund, sanitation funds, the third largest fund in the city, with a budget of four point: nine million and the revenues in the sanitation fund are the sanitation fees of three million seven hundred seventy five thousand recycling fees. Five hundred thirty one thousand eight twenty yard waste phase, speed three hundred twenty seven thousand nine. Eighty four for a total of four million six hundred thirty four thousand 804 and just a slide on the stormwater fund.

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It's a fifth largest fund in the city with a budget of 2.3 million stormwater fee revenues will be 1 million four hundred sixteen thousand six eighty next year and the deliberate for the equivalent stormwater unit per Hale. So it would be seven dollars and 15 cents and it's the budget process going forward. A second budget workshop, if necessary, on August 10th or at a work session at the conclusion or a work session.

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At the conclusion of the August 15th regular session, August 21st, the trim notices will be mailed by the county, September 6, a Wednesday first public hearing on tentative millage and tentative budget, September 19 to tuesday, second and final public hearing and october first first day of the new year. I.

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Want to talk a little bit about those you've been on the board, as has seen this pretty much every year that I've brought forward on the salary classification plan, amendments and pain creases for 2018, um the first thing, as we've done I remained years, I, remember stuff. We are going to ask for adjustment in the salary reins of 1.5 at the bottom and the top we've done that 1.5 on each end, probably at least the last five years.

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The second and most important thing of this document are the pay raises. Again. You see a graduated pay raise. We've talked about these in previous years. How we're trying to get our lower paid employees up to up to a higher wage and livable wage. um This year you see the chart of where the breakdown to salary is and what the Rays are.

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I can tell you that, when this goes into place that the only be five employees I think for from a part-time they'll be making under $12 an hour and by our by next year, next year's budget. We should have all employees at $12 an hour without causing compression of those P along the salary range above them, and that's done by these graduate er steps of these ranges. So this is Raines.

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If you go next chart to show how that kind of looks um seeing the mill the predominant employees 106, are getting the 3.5% raise and then we've got a group of employees um number of you've.

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Got 14 employees getting 5% 58 ploys, getting 4% increase, 106 at 3.5%, 41 employees getting 3 percent and 25 employees getting 2.5 percent, and just this also, that doesn't include the fire and union cotton contract employees. This is just a general employees, so.

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You can see the Kerr is a pretty well piano occur where the averages is 3.5, but again we're able to move people up and move it without causing compression. We do these. We look at every individual employee and where they follow to make sure there is fairness in there. So every employees incisions looked at where the cutoff points are so again. We keep moving forward and getting our lower pays employees up, while maintaining a distance between employers who have been here longer or earning more on the next page.

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We talk about who the salaries hood covers, um as you see in in H. Obviously, the city clerk and myself are determined by you, um we're asking for an 8% raise for the city clerk because of what you're going to see later in number 9 um increasing the positions of both deputy city clerk and city clerk um mine would be set at 2.5 or less as determined by the City Commission.

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Then we get into some of the changes that we've had you'll see some different things: some regrading some positions, changing most of them are very minimal one or two grades. A lot of them have to do with additional duties that these people have.

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Where you see the police dispatcher position in five and six one is establish a supervisory position which is required now- um and you know if you question this chibi tether, if it's required to have a step in the process of communication services and for the regular dispatches their salaries have gotten way out of line with other agencies. Other agencies have brought their salaries up tremendously and has really left us behind. So we had to do the boost now.

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Again, we see a couple regrade, the meter reader utility billing technician, a regrade of the executive office coordinator and the deputy city clerk. We've got a couple library positions that were pretty low that were we're moving up both of my believe to grades. We've got about three, the four people I think it is in public works. These are a lot of our people who are doing the in-house works and have talents whether it be an electrician or other things, though this is probably saving us.

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It's a tremendous amount of money by doing these projects of the house and these people who are doing in the skills that we don't the hire beat before are saving much more than these seven point. Five percent increases that they're getting to move them up, they're substantially paying for themselves and doing these projects with the city, and we want to reward them for that. Of course, we've got the realization. The fire department of positions, I will say about that position of the Deputy Fire Chief and the Planning and Zoning Department.

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When I bring this forward to you at the Commission meeting. It's a resolution. This all's a resolution we always usually approve it. The last meeting in in August I'm am going to ask for that deputy chief position in the playing position to be effective, that night I'm those built my house their importance to the deputy chief positions. That gives them time to do the three promotions that's going to cause because we've got a domino effect so down in September 6.

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When we have the promotions, we'll have all six promotions, including the Chiefs position that probably the biggest Thera moniz that had around for promotion. By doing that early, we can do all those promotions together instead of waiting. The planning position is very needed and we've got some good candidates that we're looking for and we need to get on that right away. So those would be the only two things that would go into effect if you approve this on the 15th, the rest of them, of course, take place on on the first.

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The number 18 is just a provision for four of our employees. Who've been topped out for over two years and 98 funds just to get a percent and a half and a lump sum um kind of have a reward for being topped out for so long. We thought we should do something for them. We haven't done anything the last three years for those topped out people. So a one point, two lumps one point: five legs them. We thought would be appropriate that that deals with four employees and, of course, the effective date of the again.

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This is this um after input tonight, this will be on your Commission meeting for August 15th um in the resolution form that has to be for your approval and that will turn it over to how you want to how.

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Run the process of the rest of the meeting yeah.

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What I like to do is what I like to watch the comment ask questions about the presentation and then I would like to after that. I would like to ask the budget Advisory Committee to give us their recommendation. So I want to start by mr. liquors for complimenting you, mr. Heric, the staff, the budget Advisory Committee for the work they're doing and provide us a bringing us an excellent budget this year appreciate that this is the second second year in a row that we'll get into mother's budget.

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That means that we're not going to use in surplus the bottles, the budget. This is a cute step in the right direction and that's going to help us to attract more businesses with our purse. Pranks, so we'll be more compatible in the long run, we're actually going to increase our City revenue. We see some good numbers that the the property values have been increased by 7.5 percent last year was six point. Six four, which looks like the economy is getting better with that we had five hundred and eighty thousand dollars increase.

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I like to ask mr. Heric I, haven't seen any revenue coming from hotel tax. The bed pack is the reason why or why we don't take advantage of that.

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That is not a tax we receive the county receives that and then they can disperse it from what I understand. But you have to apply for that money from the county. If you have certain projects that you want to use it for, but we do not get directly any bed tax money, yeah.

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So we need to apply for you, the.

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County gets that okay.

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We need to apply from the county to get to them.

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Yes, for whatever you have a project, you want to do and economically and you have to get it from them and apply for it. I'm, not sure. If there's a what sort of list there is or how to how they prioritize it, but the county gets the money. Okay,.

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I guess mr. Leivers, or something we'll need to look into it, then thank you on slide number two.

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He shows the via the five large funds that we have is it a reasonable I will calculate it for ninety percent. Instead, one hundred.

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Just trying to get back again.

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But why it's not a hundred percent? Why.

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We'll calculate a 90 percent, seven hundred- oh there's.

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Some other funds out there there's a golf course funded like 1.2 million, there's a risk management fund a little over a million as a fleet fund. Those are not included in there we're just trying to show the five largest individual funds. Okay,.

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Thank you slide number five issues, the two new positions that we that we have budgeted one for the fire department, one for planning.

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Seven years ago, mr. the course remembers that very well. We saw the need that we need to have an economic development manager and we hired miss lemons any, and it has been very, very good for our city serve our city very well. Just recently, we completed the economic Tech study for a marine related businesses and tourism. We show the marketing position is very important to have in the city, I think it's going to help our economy, mr. The Courtship, to look into that I, don't know if this will not look for a part-time or full-time.

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The work of mrs. lemons do improve our actually is going to help to help us euro, promote the city in marketing way.

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The biggest thing that's going to help her is that planning position to start with. um We had talked about and I know it been brought up before that type position. Again when we're dealing with positions in the budget, we had to work on some priorities and it probably came down to this planning position or that position is playing but is more important. We can look later but again remember in future budgets.

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We have to be real careful of what we add, because we're coming up in two years to the homestead issue and right now, I think this planning position, plus a hiring Diane woods Department that may be able to assist um for some I think we need to look at evaluate that. First, before we go into, you saw the list of things we have to add to the budget you're talking about another chunk of money. To do that. So just remember: that's why we had that list.

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It have to be something added to there and see you know what would be most effective do. It was our thought that adding that planning position for for helping those people we want to try to get in your economic would be more advantageous than hiring the marketing position. Well,.

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I agree with you that planning a zone is very important, but also market is very important as well, because that's going to bring businesses with photographer Springs and eventually is going to increase the the city's revenue. So I appreciate. If we take a look and see and keep that in mind the first opportunity, we will look at that.

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Also, like you, the salaries, I support you recommendations and the salary increases, as well as the classifications that you present. This I think is very very nicely to to help out the the low wages employees and bring them up to a point that it can have a decent living, and we need to work on that even further in the future. That will bring our city to be more compatible with the surrounding settings.

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It's not going to actually is going to be more economical if we paid the employees better and keep them here instead of give training. So yes, thank you for reorganizing via the departments and streamlining the process. Thank you very much and now I'd like to turn it over to vice mayor Panther. Oh yes,.

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Thank you. First I want to thank our city manager, staff and the Budget Committee that that's here tonight. This is my fifth year I believe on this board. Doing this and you all make my job very easy. Each year, even the first years when things were a little bit difficult, you officer natee be with the very best budget that you could and it has made our job very. Very easy.

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um I want to also thank Ron herring for his quarterly budget updates that that has helped us keep abreast of what's going on all year round and I. Don't know, I think also helped with the input from this board, not just on a workshop basis once a year, but in a quarterly basis. So I'm very thanks. Thanks thankful for that, as well, I'm glad to see the increase in revenue that we have from the from the property taxes and all the efforts that the city has done through through Karen lemons and other staff miss you.

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You know. You know members because I I said a few years ago that we're not going to save our way out of our problem of using reserves to balance the budget, we're going to have to grow, and then that and that's what that's, what we we've we've done here, so that that's very impressive, also just a side note that I always give you know um when the press covers our millage rate or anything like that.

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You have to keep in mind that we're a full-service City that um you know you can't compare our our millage rate with a city that only offers captive services that we do here. You hear you get everything that you pay for now. I hope that residents can, you know, keep the you know. You know, keep that in mind when they have to be a homestead exemption on the ballot next fall. This is that has a large potential to hurt our budget um I'll.

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Go to the questions that I've already addressed with the city manager, but just I confirm that with the two new positions for the fire department, the deputy chief and the five and the firefighter um position that actually creates. You said that trickle down to firefighter position to meet the chief. Yes, okay, um it's disappointing that we do not get the safer grant. But you know you kind of primed this for that, since that surrounding key needs a little a little more in need and.

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I really think we got a lot better opportunity to get those second, two that we talked about. We apply for the next round, I think and, of course, that'll help us greatly with the 75, but where the funding is for three years that will really help you use if we get hit with that, homestead be able to get those last two to apply next year and so hopefully love a better chance, but I kind of knew some of the problems the surrounding agency. So that's our hope again.

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We will apply soon as it comes out again and hopefully get those positions next year or you know we'll find a way to budget form and.

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Leading that leads into my next point as well about the extra police police position that I I'm in full support of whether we have to use, preserves or 20 or other budgetary items to to to cover that I think when residents think of what they pay, their taxes for I think first responders. Police and fire is up there with number one. So I think it's important that as we grow as a city, we're looking at our police and fire departments and making sure that they are well equipped and they have the manpower to respond.

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But that's because that's what also doesn't pay for um I, you know I beat the dead forces going out to bid for for health insurance. I I hear your reasons why you were looking to, but but but for the record. I'll stay I still would like us to just for at least an academic study and then to keep our current vendor on the Honda on their toes I. Appreciate you putting the old city hall of renovations or exterior renovations, I know, I should say on the on this year's budget.

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That's a blight on in the downtown area and it really needs to be better utilized. So after um we do do those renovations I think we had a board meeting to discuss a better use of that building, not changing what it's used for, but using it more I thought you know, I was telling mark. You know I, think since being alleged I've been there once to get tickets.

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When my brother had a sponsor here and that's on me, but you know we should have a better use of that building more and more and more in the public, more open for rentals, so I think as we improve the outside of it. um We should um I had a head of hat, though, though, had that talk as a board of how we can improve that and just.

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Just a note on that that we are almost complete with what we need to do, the building go out to bid. So it's not something that's going to happen. You know during any year. This should happen right at the first in this budget year, because we've already had the scope out and we'll be ready to have a bid, go forward and actually get started on that right away. So that's gonna, be a project you'll be seeing right earliest in the budget year and.

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You know into that point. You know we asked merchants downtown to our wonderful CRA grant program to improve their facades and URL facade look horrible, so this I think just helps further. Be a look of downtown, so I'm, very thankful that you put dial in this budget um I support the new city planning position. I think it is evident that Heather is bogged down I, don't think that takes a rocket scientist and I think also with the growth that we're experiencing, we have to have the two facades, the two full.

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You know full time planners in there I think our residents and developers that fills garum. You know trying to kind of expect that you little things um just to confirm run um when you say for the new deputy chief position. Hopefully I'm saying this right: they are moving from accounting on additional ems funding, 25% beyond what we usually get. So it's actually extra, not the usual extra. Yes,.

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Part of the EMS contract the county has been funding 75% of the coordinator now for the 2018 they're going to pay percent.

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Good okay mark I assume, if we are granted the grant for the spoil site for the dredge from the state, will that $300,000 in the budget right now just go back into the into the infinite into the beef. Any fun yeah.

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Poor poor the project- yes, okay,.

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And I can't stress how crucial that is, and also with the penny book coming up. I would I would encourage residents to vote for that. You can see by our by our budget how heavily we depend upon that and if that went away, I know I, don't know what we do frankly. Well.

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Until to your point, be the reason why the word got out that the the Cultural Center might be cut back, is we just didn't have because we had to put that money in case we didn't get at three hundred thousand in? We are real close. If you see the bottom line, we're real close on that budget, so obviously projects had to get bumped. So hopefully we anticipate. We got a great great project in for the grant.

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I totally expect us to get it, and if we do, then those products we've cut from the penny thing, we can Institute what money's left to do it, but we needed to just keep it going until we get that.

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We get that grant Bob Robertson's gonna offset the argument for there's. No, that's the job is going to take on I'm in full support of the pay increases for our you know, I call the civilian staff and say: oh I, know even in front of my days in the budget Advisory Committee, we have discussed that and I knew we were not competitive with surrounding cities, and the mayor made a very good point that it does cost us much more to have to lose an employee and train a new one, etc.

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So I'm very glad to see that we we had that built in there and that hopefully, that now we're going to be able to you know had better retention of our civilian staff in City Hall. It was anything else that I talked about the homestead exemption. I do approve, you know, I, don't know if you need our approval per se, but I guess you do the increase in pay for the city, clerk and you're at 3.5%.

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I think you've earned that with how you presented this budget to us and that's all, oh well, one more things. I can't talk about far more 69 and 70 I know you want you what you already had that improvements already with painting and especially out at 70, which is you know, obviously needs a lot of repair. So I assume you said you're going to try and continue those don't.

H

Know them, but not the rest of that money that we didn't get I thought we got out of what we saved this. That's where you see on there on that list that we're hoping for what we're going to save this year. That dental finish those out. So that's why it's on that list of anticipated that we think we're going to be able to do with the savings that we have I've.

J

Already heard positive feedback, some people that are the problems inside so it's doing a great job, and hopefully I won't the other board then, but we can. You know what we did at 71 weekly. We can be 470 I, think that building is about Reese, it's a tenure in the money we should invest in it so but that's obviously down the road. Thank you very much and thank you to staff and the Advisory Committee brought for all your working again for making offers off a lot more easier thing.

D

Mr. Stuber, yes.

B

Yes, I want to thank all the department, heads and everyone who worked so hard on this budget. We we definitely appreciate it. I appreciate it when I was on a budget Advisory Committee, because it really made me understand things better too. So. um Thank you all very much and thank you to the budget. Advisory Committee for all. You do I agree with most of what Vice Mayor banther said, and you answered some of my questions actually already I appreciate these regrade positions, our Executive Office, Coordinator I, think is in need of that regrade.

B

So I, that's that's very important, plus some of these other positions that that you listed here for regrading and paying increases I do support the new positions, of course, of the for the fire department and the planning department. I know that Heather hops here to must be around the corner, definitely needs some help and I have to say that I agree with what the mayor said: I actually get asked by County Commissioners, why we don't attend the county, economic development meetings or the county towards development meetings.

B

Why Tarpon isn't present I know that most other cities around us I just got a call this morning from dead Polly? Who is a marketing special oldsmar?

B

Why we don't have a marketing position and I really do feel that in order to take advantage of bed tax and go out there and present ourselves to the county and take advantage of funding, that's out there that we're, probably not not going after that, we do need somebody to help in marketing.

B

I would like to look at I'll talk to you about this before someone under Karen to help Karen, because I know she can't do it all and she's been working a lot in planning centers and your planning positions are going to definitely help, but I do feel that we need to look further into hiring someone at a part time or even the person in the cultural marketing position. If they can work on city marketing as well, not just cultural arts.

B

Somehow we need to to do a better job, I feel at marketing, especially for our businesses, who pay a lot of taxes to be here and need some help. So I agree with the mayor on that.

B

Most of my questions have been answered. I.

B

Guess that's about it, but I do approve of these pay raises and these positions and would stress that we check out doing something for marketing.

B

D

Should kick thank.

G

You first I want to thank all the staff ethroo this evening and the department has that you guys do an amazing job for us and bringing such a great budget to us. I know how deaf difficult it is. You know you're always doing more with less, and we do appreciate everything you do and the budget advisory board since they've come around. It does make our life easier.

G

At least it makes my life a lot easier that this extra pair eyes, but what you all do for the city and for you know all of us here is- is greatly appreciated. Mr. herring does an awesome job and I want to thank you for for putting this together for me today, because I had some concerns about all the vacant positions that were in the budget and I was like I am years past I. Remember we do the vacant position, we slashed it. You know why we hold it. Why are we holding me?

G

You know this is money we can use elsewhere, but it's changed since we originally got our book in June to now and most of the positions have been filled or you're actively seeking you've got taking applications, and so thank you for that, because I, like I, said I was really concerned.

G

I was like mark, what's going on here, so I appreciate that and it's nice to see that we can offer our city employees increases in their salary, if not just an increase, hope a great hire, because we are low man on the totem pole when it comes to other cities and and everybody works so hard, and there do, some of them are doing double-duty.

G

A lot of you are and I know through the years that that's what's what's happened here and like we're doing more with less so I'm happy and I and I definitely approve the budget. The salary increases I think that's a great ideas. We can fit in the budget. Let's do it now because, like it's me, mrs. family and they work very hard for us.

G

I had question about the Charlie, but you answered that I didn't realize we're going to 77 day, so our increase so.

H

G

Do have a little increase in the trolley service yeah.

H

The only two thousand- oh- that's, not bad, but.

G

I was kind of when her white went up, but now that my mean that's great um when it comes to the the fire department, so we have two positions right right, so we have will have deputy chief that goes to chief I, get all these positions yeah.

H

C

So then what happened? You do.

G

A new deputy chief and then a fire fire paramedic, no.

H

But well, somebody remember, and somebody will replace him as deputy to you right.

A

H

Then somebody has they'll, probably come from lieutenants always got to move up and you get down you end up with the bottom higher and a paramedic after you go through those days. No.

G

I mean: are we losing positions by moving these people up? I could I know deputy chief doesn't ride in a truck correct, nikasha, you're.

H

G

There point out fire so.

H

It adds position because it is a position to top, but then the dominoes hit of what you got to promote and then you end up hiring from the bottom. So it's adding a position and you're not losing one from below to fill that position. Okay,.

G

So because I, what I mean until it takes three three firefighters per shift to make alcohol truck right? Okay, so we'll get there, maybe yeah what.

H

We identified last year or in the year before we had talked about what we needed for the next three or four years. It was going to be two police officers. We fulfilled one of those. We still got one out, there's the one you see here and we talked about the need for four firefighters and, as always, the three to make up the shifts, and then we knew about this needing be with all the EMS stuff coming for us. We needed an administrative deputy chief to do that kind of stuff.

H

We applied for all four of those in the safer grant, but we made sure we had the money that we got at least through two of them this year and then with the hopes that we could get the help with a safer grant next year. But again my plans are to do the same thing put in for the safer grant, because always budget so by the end of next year will be a year ahead.

H

When we talk about three year plan, we actually be a year ahead of putting those four on and doing what we said we needed to do within the next three or four years and then depending what happens to the police. But we had that position that we fulfilled that and again by next year, we'll have the fire filled one way or another, hopefully with a safer grant. So we get a chunk of it paid for three years and that helps us. But if not, we have to we're going to have to budget for it.

H

We'll have to find the money again. If we may have to go into reserve to get, it will happen, we'll need to fund it that year, but again I'm hoping we can get that safer grant for the two instead asking for four. That's always what so.

G

They're in there they're in contact contract negotiations right now, so you insist, we.

H

Vampire please.

G

Okay, I didn't know the police was aligned higher.

C

G

So when do we anticipate their final.

H

Hopefully they get it set, so we can put it on the last Commission meeting a September to approve and and get them set when the new salary raises going up, so we're gearing for to be able to bring those to you the last meeting of September. We hope they cooperate and we can get to that point. So so this.

G

H

A long course, okay.

G

So there's a safer grant for the fire department. What about it or any grants available for the police department? Yeah.

H

We actually got a lot of positions in the past four and we put in we put in for one of those positions and didn't get it for complete. The police are a lot harder because they're real they've gone from being more community policing, police, they've guns, they've gotten real harder to get in competitive, so the chief and look- and we put in for the one last you didn't get it and looking at the criteria, um we didn't think we had a chance to get it this year.

H

If one comes available, but I don't see that half the way they've tightened up those those grants for please I, don't see much of the slim-to-none chance of getting those. So that's why I resolved that we're probably gonna have to fund that last position. That'll.

G

Be there's much chance of getting a grant whatever we have to do. I mean now. First responders are very important in our community. um When it comes to Heather she works so hard. She really doesn't I know she needs help so and I see that we actively interviewing for the other position. Yeah.

C

G

H

G

H

For that pool will be able to fill both those positions with that pool we're interviewing. That is our hope. That's why we're asking for the 15, because, hopefully shortly after 15, we can put both those positions on and get them working and.

G

I think I feel like if she does get to help. You know that she needs it. Could lighten the load, slowness, lemons, because you know like like we do she mean this lemons is stretched she's when I say do more with less than double duty, she's a great example of that and I'm you know, and if somebody could help of marketing there was a board that we used to go to years ago. George Blair's would go to.

B

G

B

Tourists yeah moment and.

G

So so nobody from here is attending that those meetings anymore and those are really important. I used to go respective 2008, 7-iron and then Mark started going. But if we could have some some sort of representation from our city, we could find out where there is money available and yeah.

D

If it's a marking special is supposed to bid yeah yeah.

G

Our marketing specialist we need, we need somebody to start attending those meetings and if we don't have a marketing specialist, if, when Heather gets help, maybe alleviate some work from caring, then maybe she could attend those meetings, I'm not sure, but yeah.

H

G

Really need to start.

H

A full blame for Karen and the time shoes that, but she has saved me in his organization tremendously, by having the ability to step in when you have nowhere to go yeah, you don't want to use Karen people takes away from stuff but she's godsend to how, because she has saved our, but by coming in doing that stuff, and hopefully, when we get this in place, then we can almost exclusively have her go back to what you and then you'll see a change in a lot of those things and again, Diane would made a great hire at her place for marketing, stuff and I.

H

Think I think she and looking at her background when we hired her, that is going to be an asset to immediately may be used to assist Karen. To do that and again, if we're able to get those planters hired pretty early and stuff, we can. We can hit the ground running on on.

H

You know, putting everything you're saying in effect.

G

When it comes to the cultural center, the repairs you're talking about the outside is the same that we did out here with Jessica Teresa, what we called it, but it'll.

A

G

Thing so, okay, that would be nice, show me a little lovin tenders here there but um I know Zach. Unlike again years ago, there used to be would draw crowds to the center. Different artists would have their showings and stuff like that upstairs and it would bring a lot of people in I. Don't we don't do that anymore? Doing what.

H

We do but we're going to happen, we're gonna, probably October, ish or so the beginning, October November we're going to put an agenda item together. We should be out to bid or ready to go with that and we want to talk as a group with the condition about what we use the building for and what possibly we can use on the future. So that's going to be an upcoming agenda item on your agenda requested by Commissioner banther. So we will be talking about that. I.

G

Just want to click on the golf course I mentioned before with the penny money. If we can somehow or I melted his room in the budget, but somehow look at expanding and clem, we do in the coffee. Shop would have said yeah and just have maybe do lunches again and breakfasts and stuff like that. I think that could really generate some more some business for the golf course and generate some income for us. I would hope to see that soon forget.

H

It we got the great ability to do that and other things at that penny pass. It's not that we have to wait for 2020 and do that, but obviously it doesn't pass. We got a whole bunch of stuff to squeeze in the last two years, so once we know that's available stuff, we can really look at 2019 2020 2021 because, as you see, we've kind of left those last couple years of the penny open.

H

We really haven't told it with much, because we want to make sure it's going to extend, because otherwise you'll have to take a lot of projects and put into what the last two years of the penny will do again. I think it. You know, I, think the people realize and will realize by the end what the penny has done, but we'll have a lot better feel and you'll be able we'll be talking right after that November boat vote about okay. Now we can really look and what are those things that paid?

H

Do we want to do in the last two years of this penny? What do we want to do at the beginning to two dozen, and we can look and, of course that's that's one of the things on the list so after November, hopefully we can really get into the time of when we do that project and other probably projects when we know we've got those five years to be looking at.

G

One other thing with this: that's the passenger bus with the wheelchair lift that would be utilized more for the Recreation Department for X, yes, okay, and which I really would see a need for, especially with music on the beach and that were transporting so many people right now, like the high school out to the beach.

G

Maybe I, don't know for the help. With this with the Senior, Center or not, but I think there's something can't we get that's.

H

One of the things we want to look at some grants and maybe that's something we may be able to work. You know work on to do for that. I.

G

Think that would be in the neck and then the necks of of courses, cleaning up the rec centers with it he's.

H

A little wee scale see we still got. We still got money in the budget. To do it again. Our in-house staff is rather overwhelmed right now, patients the prop, but we do have still some budgeted money that we're using for their a continuing.

G

Excuse and that's, and that's where we're really fortunate is that we have in-house people that are doing so much more of the work these days and us going out to bid on everything and so I, don't know if that makes us short-staffed or not. That would fall into white Tom, Junction first Tom!

G

Well, various um you know if he needs more staff, I'm, not sure I didn't get a chance to talk to some, but something we need to think about, because if we can start saving more money and doing more in-house, but again we don't want to stretch on everybody so thin so again, I want to I want to thank everybody again for for all their hard work and everything you do for us. Thank you.

B

K

B

An additional comment I wish to make talking about the penny fund. We definitely all need to vote for that, but I noticed I'm, always looking at the marina and I noticed how much more income we're making there. So the improvements you know are definitely going to help, but over the last few years, both in the blood-stained approach close please.

D

B

Yeah I just wanted it what you say because of the penny: funds.

C

B

An improvement but as far as the fire department, those of us have done the fire, ops and and have been out. There realized the need for more firefighters, obviously, and from what I've been told to be in compliance national. You need four on a truck and we now have three. So it seems like we have a ways to go to actually be nationally compliant with what not what we have here locally, but we're I know.

H

B

A long wait to get there.

H

We can talk about that, we're not so far off as people telling you we are, but we can.

B

H

Conversation about that, okay.

B

So hopefully we'll get the granting and what.

H

We don't work there.

A

B

There, because, of course, we support our fire departments, Thanks.

C

L

Think most you guys know Bellamy in this position for a couple months, so this is all hugely new to me. Thank you to the whole city staff for everything, you've done and Ron putting us all together. I'm gonna have more questions, I think that everybody else. So, if.

C

L

Could bear with me on this I do support the salary increases and I know our city's staff members go above and beyond, and thank you all very much for everything you do, because we really couldn't be this great city without you all so I appreciate everything you do and I hope. This is just a one way to show our appreciation for your job and we.

C

L

You don't work for free, so mark what what's the increase has been in the past? Is it something that they've been frozen in the past or other typically increases every year? It.

H

Looked pretty much like this okay I think we started doing those incremental salaries. We even started off the first year at 6% for low ones, just because they were so low, um but mainly they've looked exactly like this, a graduated scale or a little more for the lowest paid ones, a bulk of the employees in the middle, which has always been around 3.5 for 3 in that area and then a little lesson on there. So it's pretty much the Commission last three years, I've seen figures pretty much the same as this. Okay.

L

I would just like to point out with addition of additional positions.

L

If we have another recession, type situation, let's say in ten years from the route we're going with salary increases your every year and adding additional positions that I just want to cautious make caution to say we have to be careful on how many staff members are adding, because it's important to give everyone in due to the cost. That's going up just to live in Pinellas County is absurd, but we're also going to be missing out on I mean you look at what was a total increase this year for the salaries increases Ron a.

I

Total City about six hundred thirty thousand, that includes benefits. Okay,.

L

So, let's say ten years at six million dollars over the ten years it gets to so I. Don't want to be I, don't want to sound like my bad news that guy, but we just have to be careful how many positions were actually adding with that, because it could put us in a precarious situation about ten years from now where we had to cut a lot of our services due to salaries which are very important for our employees.

L

Here in the city yep now I want to touch on also the positions are being added with the fire department and also discuss about the marketing individual I'll start off with the marketing position. I think I agree with you mark and how your we discussed, there's actually two people at becoming into helping Heather and then Bob also was added as a project manager to take some load off of your plate. So I think it is a good idea to see how much time the Karen has to do.

L

Some of these other projects, where she's not being pulled to the Planning Department helping mark out and then Bob, also helping out with the project management I, think that's prudent. On our end, although I do feel, marketing is an important part, but I would be curious to see how many other cities have an economic developer on staff and the marketing person as well, but I think it's an important aspect that they have marketing, but I think it's prudent to evaluate where we're at after we get these other positions filled.

L

Moving forward, I want to understand more on the fire department situation with the deputy deputy chief, because there's ways it sounded. Is it sound like giving me two positions are actually gonna be filled on the bottom, but it I think it's actually gonna be one position. Am I wrong with that? No it's too busy.

H

At the bottom, in what year that, with the promotions right.

L

So it's actually a vacancy due to a promotion, yeah.

C

L

Not actual a new position, it's.

C

Only one new position right.

L

I'm, not in favor of another deputy chief right now so I think it's based on having an additional people down at the bottom on the street is more important right now how many deputy chiefs we currently have today, one just one: what about district? Two, three? Okay, so it would be two deputy chiefs, a chief and then three district, teats, correct and.

H

Again, I can have them address. The biggest need is because of what we have to take over as far as the ems process, and um that is a predominant. What they're going to do Scott, if you.

C

Won't come open.

M

Every big butcher, fire chief Scott young deputy fire chief for another four or five weeks, the things that have occurred recently with the EMS in Pinellas County. Is we used to do our CMI's, which is continuing medical education to maintain your certifications for your paramedic and your EMT license? That was all done at the county level. We would send our crews to a central training center and they would attend monthly training sessions to do that.

M

Well, the county has removed that process and put it on each individual department to provide their own training and that's why they bumped up the money for the emergency. The EMS coordinator. The extra money is because they heat there's so much extra work to do.

L

Okay, is there like a co-op? We could look at amongst the county, like with other department, instead of because it's the out of position, that's 160,000 and add another truck, that's 50,000, so that the.

M

This position is also we're going to add, as as commissioner Kitka says, there's gonna be many hats in that position as well, but to answer your first question: we're pretty much going to where the other departments in the we are we're kind of lagging in that the majority of the counties are majority of the County fire departments. The EMS coordinator is administrative is a 40-hour person. They have to be on hand every day to handle day-to-day things, and so we're just putting ourselves in line with that.

M

Also to note that individual also be taking over the city safety process, which is a rather big deal, mister, of course, I. Don't know if you wanted to comment on that, but that does benefit the city and cost savings, and things like that as well. So.

H

Again, that's we knew we talked about needing the four people in the budget. We knew we're going to need that one that one high position to do all these things and we needed the three people below one per shift on the necessity of having that position. First, is this EMS and this training going on?

H

So that's why, in the order and again we put into the grant next year for the two additional positions, I think it leaves us better in the grant to put those two paramedic type positions into that ground, um instead of having an administrator than that in and again, that's a need for the CMS that we have to realize now. So that's why you see the order of those two plus.

H

The advantage of doing that is we create three other promotions for people who have been here um in other positions will create three other promotions, so within the department which is which is huge. So that's that's the thinking of why we had to do it in why we did it that way. So,.

L

Why can't they, how come it can't be shared amongst the chief deputy chief and then the fire um I'm, sorry miss speaking. The district keeps with that role with the EMS training and so on. So currently.

F

The one of the district chief does that, but he isn't able to do the job of the district chief because he's so busy doing the EMS stuff so that Duty gets taken away on that district chief side by learning the operations of the shift he's also coming in almost daily on his own time to catch up on the EMS stuff. So it's becoming too overwhelming. So with the extra 25 percent the county's providing us it almost you know, makes us have to bring somebody in to do this full-time, it's it's!

F

It would put us in line with most the departments in the county that already have a full-time, EMS chief doing this job, explaining the duties of the district chief, the district chief, is there to run the the ship that day the three stations to make sure everybody's doing what they have to be certain places he's there to run any major incidents in the scene and the city right now, but when he's tied up all the time doing EMS, he can't do that function in the way it's designed to what.

L

About I mean how come we're not looking at adding another district chief instead of adding a deputy chief due to the additional cost that the city sees with the salary? Has that been discussed because I think that would have been more of a approach that we may have want to look at is looking at adding another district chief as a deputy chief with salaries that.

M

Would have to do with the rank structure, the fire departments as well as the police are paramilitary organizations, there's ranks each rank, has their authority and the people that they over that their supervisors to the EMS coordinator needs to be supervisor over the district chief, so they need to outrank the district chief, but.

H

Again, when you're doing that, you'd only talk about a minimal high percentage that would it even save you, because you know it would be, it would be minimal money. What you decided to be really the best, as is police department, underneath achieve one person who is mostly an operational one's, an administrative one that chain that chain I worked under in the police, what he works under and that's what he kind of created the fire and it.

M

Tells you that's the.

H

Best, that's the best organ.

M

It does mirror our our org chart will mirror police org chart what they have. The two majors and our ours are two deputy chiefs. So it's it's similar to their organizational chart. Mark.

L

What's the staff count for the police or aspire now.

M

Run yeah we have thirty, nine and two of those are civilians and.

H

M

H

Sworn officers the police program, okay,.

L

The fire vehicle is that going to be for this deputy chief as well. No vehicle.

M

That we have two vehicles listed, the one we're actually you're behind on the fire engine. We have a continuing program to replace the fire engines, fire engines or frontline for ten years back up for five years, and then they cycle out and I replaced just because of the wear and tear on the fire engine. Believe me, you do not want to be have to go on a call and have a fire engine not start. That's a bad thing. The vehicle that you see is actually replacing an old Explorer or something that the fire marshal drives.

M

We will use a fleet vehicle that we have now as a backup for them for the new deputy chief position. Okay,.

L

Is the only fire question to believe I had? Thank you? No, that's not. It.

L

With I saw the historic district study I'm, not sure he would speak on that, but my question would be: is there funds put in to look at resigning or reviewing the guidelines for the historic residential.

H

Or would what HPD has been asked me to do for last several years and so.

L

That's what that is, and yes, okay, great.

L

D

Improvements I'm.

L

D

Commissioner, we go to cover that with the CIP okay.

L

Even though that was we talked about with what Ron discussed in the budget, did you know the six hundred and seven thousand? If you.

D

C

Go for boshyboys um Bob.

H

Over there, yes.

D

Part of the CIC.

L

It was the 978 thousand dollars, I I mean I could wait if you wanted me to talk about that.

H

Later it was in the presentation he thought about the well explained to them.

L

If you just kind of clarify for me, I mean I, know the water plants a new water plant, so just trying to grasp why there's another million dollars of improvements and then we've got well fields, improvements and.

H

That was a good question of the budget advisory board today that we talked about and we talked about the water supply. Well, fields are ones we have now. I will talk to you now about the need. What we have there for the additional wells to make. We've had a goal we progressively users, but why we need additional wells and that's the predominance of that of that in the water plant improve.

H

Does you want to talk about the additional wells and why we need them, which is the 900 lot a lot of it not all of it, but a good portion of the 970 $8,000.

N

Yeah so I'm Bob, Robertson project administration, department, director pinch-hitting for Paul Smith, public services, director, so the question about the water plan, improvements is just as Mark said. We have 17 wells that feed the RO plant. Now we have a permit for up to 22 and it's always been our plan to add more wells. Incrementally one thing we discovered this year during this unprecedented drought was that we were tapping every well full-speed, pretty close to it. So we really this.

N

We already had it in the plan to add more wells this this year, we're looking at adding three more to help us balance out our need, that's primarily the the bulk of the money. There was.

L

That um now, with the bonds with the building the water plant, was that I looked into that at all with the wells initially to build a plant, or is this something that we're anticipating it was going to be a general budget cost? Does that make sense? What I'm asking I.

N

Think what you're asking is should did we think about it when we first built the plant and, what's included in the original bond. Yes,.

C

N

We did think about that, but we were trying to build to need and that's exactly what we did, and this was planned as a future VIP. So we weren't hitting the big capital part early on if we could spread it out, and maybe we discovered we didn't need as many wells. We could have pushed this off for multiple years, but it turns out. We need them sooner. Okay,.

L

Thanks while you're here, can you touch base on the meteor repair and change out? It's about two hundred twenty six thousand just understand so have understanding? Is this something that we do on an annual basis to where we go out update the meters for residents or is it something different? That's.

N

Basically it and it's changing out the older analog meters to digital meters that are radio, read that kind of thing. Okay,.

D

Publish your car we're going to be talking about these on doing the VIP section: real low, okay,.

L

Well, I'll, just it.

D

Will hold on to that? Okay.

L

Thanks, okay, mark I've got a question about her walk the rock wall. That's Anna proposed budget items and.

C

That's what my cut London, yeah I know I would.

L

I would caution the city about adding something like that. I think it's a neat thing to have and it's fun, but the liability to have someone to run up the rock wall without having a harness or something along the lines or to provision is I. Think puts the city in a carrier situation again to where a young child or an adult can fall and then see the city for unsupervised. So I would not be in support of that. Although I am complete support of our recreational grows in areas where we grow.

L

Okay, the recycling bins, there's a recycling that was discussed in Ron's budget. Is this an okay time to talk about that? I said.

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L

New to this so I mean no one. Ever so, I sat down with Ron and went over some of those stuff, but I don't know where that would fall in the discussion.

D

Go ahead sing yourself, so.

L

I think we do have a pretty decent sized amount of money and the recycling budget. Our recycling bins, are pretty small and we a lot of more experienced citizens that live for older citizens in our city, I think at some point we should be looking at not the bends but more of a something, and it rolls out because you can't really put a whole lot in those bends and more of the education. That's gone out to the citizens in the area of more understanding recycling. That is an area.

L

I, think that the city should probably look at to increasing the sizes and encouraging recycling more amongst the residents.

L

Another question: let's city marina, is that gonna be later on mayor well,.

D

That would be part of you into fresh clothes. Okay,.

L

I'll hold off to that one.

D

If you look at the agenda that was filled to us and.

L

That was given us yeah.

D

L

This happen, joyed right when I walked in so it's different.

L

So we're just under the salaries in well.

D

This is just liquid colors or the present basis. Okay,.

L

One of my questions would be about the presentation that had the property values increasing for mark and Ron, why aren't we looking at decreasing the millage rate at all? Instead of.

L

Maxing out all of our budget well.

H

We don't call a maximal, we call it the essential needs that are needed when, for instance, you're trying to you know, add $200,000 worth of fire positions and you're trying to do some things and stay competitive with salaries.

H

You know that's to us, of course, more important than then lowering the millage rate. There's a lot of needs, there's an expectation of services, and if you look at that, chart put the chart up of the of the difference, the grouse that you have as you can see. If you look at that second graph, there were not even back to the taxable value that we were working with in 2008.

H

um You know we're still we're still a ways away from their getting getting back, so we are still in the recuperation stage and obviously it's the ability of this board to cut some of these things out of the budget, to reduce the millage and again that your decision to do um ours is the pride. What we think we need to provide the services in the city um that are needed, and so.

C

H

That your get yours is Commission purview to talk about. Okay,.

L

I've had a question about the wood chipper: why is the City one and wood chipper when we've got our yard waste, where we could just dump their yard waste? You.

H

Mean the cut wood chipper brought that thumb tub.

O

Good evening Tom punches wood, chipper is actually for efficiency. We will take the tree down and you got constantly loaded on the truck and Holly over. There takes much more time. Multiple trips depends on the size of the tree, of course, but it actually cuts back on my labor cost quite a bit. Okay,.

C

O

H

L

Yeah well then, if it's we have other fun that comes in I know. You said there you're, potentially.

H

Oh, that's. That was the first though the first light, it's like you said.

L

H

The things that all.

L

Right I'll hold the rest of my questions. Thank.

D

You now I'd like to invite the budget advisory committee, chairperson chairman mr. Sulu, if you give us your recommendations on behalf of the committee.

E

Thanks mayor Roger, salut, 967, bayshore, chairman of the budget, Advisory Committee, let me speak just a little bit about a process we've gone through is others have been asking the questions for the last five meetings that the budget Advisory Committee is held. We've had individual presentations from each of the department heads in detail for what they are putting forward in their budget and as everybody on the diocese already said, I really want to thank the city, employees. The presentations were excellent. They understood their business and I've got special kudos for Ron.

E

He did an outstanding job of putting the packages together summarizing material for us making it easy for us to see. What's going on and frankly, he's done a great job on doing presentation of data. That's out of the format. That's typically seen. That's not very helpful to understand the slides that he's put up and some of the sense that you get makes it much easier for us to see. What's going on and as you look at your budget books, you'll notice, there were numbers that were available in June.

E

That talked about where we were there's numbers now in August, we might say we haven't done our job because, as you look at those numbers, they're all a bit larger than they were in June. If we've done our job, you would say they should be much smaller. I think one of the things that the budget Advisory Committee has done has looked at. What's been asked for asked in areas where we think additional funds should be spent. Clearly, some of that was in the planning area.

E

We've been involved as well and talking about as you all recognize here, help is needed, and that is now in the budget. The same is true as we look at the fire department and the headcount that they're working on I'd say. Our conclusion of what you see in front of you is the budget is that we'd recommend that this is an outstanding budget and one that we would recommend passage we're comfortable with it. I don't think there are any dead bodies buried in here that you'll.

E

If you look closely you'll find I, don't think they're in there I think it was well prepared well presented and one of the things that I think is very helpful for you guys the city manager has put together. If you were in business, you'd have a priority resource budgeting. Your some of this set words they use is Dow to do it.

E

What doesn't make the cut and the city manager has has prioritized, along with the department, heads those things that didn't make the cut he's, given one page of those that were close to the cut, didn't make it and those that are beyond that and probably shouldn't be in the list, but they're there and have been brought forward and I think it makes a good matrix as you come forward with ideas that you might have to be added. It gives you a place to put them as they okay. Where does this stand relative to these?

E

That could be added and their number of them and you've talked about the more heads to go into the economic development areas. Where would that sit? But it gives you a hierarchy to look and see where they can go.

E

At this point, you have a balanced budget, we did take a vote and the recommendation coming forward, as you guys signed up for maintaining the millage rate, was to keep it where it is we're in some unsettling times both with what can happen with the penny, which is pretty critical to us and what can happen as we get into expanding the homestead, which would be devastating to us rather than start down a path that we can't continue, which makes very little sense to the taxpayer, wouldn't represent my savings and then turn around and have to go back in the other direction.

E

At this point, we're in a balance I think it's appropriate. We've got adequate resourcing to withstand a problem. Hence the eight million dollars give or take that we've gotten reserves, but the budget advisory said you've got a great budget prepared and we recommend this passage.

E

We haven't taken any questions well,.

D

This is silly want to thank you and I wanna. Thank all the members of the a budget, Advisory Committee for working so hard with the staff to provide us a good budget each year, as you do in the past, as you've done in the past. Before we created the the budget, Advisory Committee, we spent hours during the work session to go line, line and line line and to analyze in each one of those and we spent hours, and it was not productive at all.

D

I think one night we spent over 3-4 hours doing just that, and we probably save not even $15,000 so by having the budget Advisory commuting. You guys are any review in each line item you are analyzing it and you're. Given us a very good budget and I want to thank you for that. I also like to thank the staff, we're working with the snow florist and provide you the data that you need and provide us. This recommendation. Thank.

E

You and we appreciate the opportunity to serve well done. Thank you. Thank you. I would.

A

E

One thing and I think others in my committee will do this in future meetings with the Commission. We need more members on the BAC we've. We are net. We now have an opening and we would like to get additional support as alternates for the BAC.

E

Anyone who's got suggestions we're looking at, we think a wonderful location for them. The city manager brought this up as well as you go through your education for the citizens training program. Looking for people in there who would like to find a way to get into detail of what goes on in the city. We could certainly use the help we'd love to have some more people fresh blood, as it were, I know a number of you folks, sitting on the commission of have come through being involved with the budget advisory committee.

E

It's a great way to understand the city and certainly know where the money comes from the.

D

Great commuter thank.

E

You and thanks for setting it up here appreciate it. Thank.

D

You any comments or light any any questions. Vice mayor of Benson wants a.

J

Source make one comment again: we don't we we've all. Thank you dan. We'll continue to do that, but it's just I can't stress the importance of this committee.

J

Even you know the well times are good right now and there's not really a question, but the fact that we have a set of civilian eyes if you will non elected officials that review the budget, the reasons that the mayor said that we're not going to line by line up as you all do as I sell on your on your committee for two years, the fact that we have those eyes looking at the budget, it does give me peace of mind to know that you know I'm not going to miss something per se, that usually you all you all would bring that up.

J

So just thank you again and I think that's a great idea that, with the Academy that starts on Wednesday correct book that we can um pull some more resources for you for the next budget. Thank you thank.

C

D

Other couple thank.

L

D

You thanks. Okay, thank you, we're now going through the general fund. Any discussion on that Commission course dealt with you.

L

I, don't necessary capital or not, but I think at some point. The city should be looking at additional parking out for Sunset Beach. We can see the need with a I know: there's some open property out there, there's a need for definitely the upgraded boat ramp, there's not enough parking for the boats with trailer trailers and vehicles, and also with our concert series that are out there too. There's really not adequate parking, which is good to see the shuttle running now from the high school and middle school when they rotate it.

L

But at some point that this that really needs to be addressed overall, I think but I think I asked the majority of my other questions. I had.

A

J

Forgot one more kudos, but also looking forward to our IT department and I know. We have some Suzanne here um when I started, at least on the budget Advisory Committee, which was seven or six years ago. We really didn't have an IT department. We had like I, think some other, a fair contributors and I was it right there now I mean I. Think I would put us on far or ahead of Dunedin. You know or not. We can't really compare ourselves to crude water safety, but at least, if you, you know per capita.

J

What do we have with live streaming? Our meetings that that's you know that sounds small, that's huge for citizens that might want to hear one thing we don't want to come sit here for too three hours and I know the way. Having my educational background in IT management ITU is on a standalone department. It is integral and customer support for the entire. You know organization and for nothing, but your positive things. You know it's embarrassing. How often I forget my password with my email and Casey always helps me.

J

I felt old now I go and have to have. You know, have that done. I once have to do that so I. Just thank you again for all your advancements in that department. It's not it's! It's critical now to everything that we do in the city and I look for continued ways to use the IT department to improve citizen access to what we do. I know just our website live streaming, etc. It's all just gone leaps and bounds from five years ago. They good well.

G

I would like to echo what vice mayor said: Suzanne's done an outstanding job since she's she's come board and I know: I've come in on weekends and she's here: roaming, the halls. It scared me to death, but yeah he's here and she's working and she works very hard and keeping us safe from from the whole environment, this computer environment, whatever you know, there's so much that goes on and we didn't have anything years ago. We had no protection whatsoever, so we were wide open for some major disaster.

G

So thank you for everything you do and your staff and there wasn't that I would want to hit on with the sunset beach I know. Now that we finally have some sort of a boat ramp out there we do, we will need extra parking, so I believe you were working on.

H

Where we are working, there's.

G

Some extra parking and redesigning out there.

H

We are we're looking at bringing that back to you and.

G

Not only because of that, because of us being charged $5 to use a Fred Howard park so which.

H

Is going to did you yes and.

G

So now our community Beach here now is really being heavily you to utilize. Every time I go out there, it is jam-packed, and so whatever we can do is just to keep it up. Even if we could figure out you know when it rains and there's just the dirt road and every time it rains it's nothing but Possible's out there yeah.

C

G

If we could do something since to think that, if we're.

H

Working on that all to bring back to you, Thank.

D

You vice mayor, Panther I agree with you that IT department has done an excellent job, but look and all the other departments doing an excellent job, we're very fortunate. We got very good staff, we've got very good employees and we are very thankful for the services they're providing to our citizens, see in Tarpon Springs, as ex-commissioner car has mentioned that, and he wanted you to see.

D

The possibility of reducing the millage perhaps would be a good idea if we have another option and look and see if, if the numbers were worked out to see if we can reduce the millage, even if it's just a little bit like we, we talked about last year.

D

We reducing it from four five point: four, two to five point: three: nine and even though they'll be adjustable, but probably with no probably but I, know it for well that it's going to make us more compatible to other cities, and it will help us to attract businesses here to tarpon springs and in the long run it's going to be more beneficial to the city, because that's going to increase the the revenue by bringing more business here to tarpon and it's good for good for the average resident if you're in Tarpon Springs.

D

So let's just look and see if there's any option on the table and be discussed, perhaps the numbers will work. Maybe not.

D

If I have a country like we have consensus on the board. Sure.

C

J

I I agree that we should every year examine the millage rate and see um you know what our income is and where we stand um at least me person again I'm open to any examination that you want to do, or any study or or review, but uh I'm opposed to any lowering a millage rate for reasons that I stayed in the sense that we don't know what's coming with the homestead exemption. I'm pretty confident penny will pass, but you don't know until it happens.

J

If you look at the budget, we have we're just being balanced for the for the for the second year in a row. So I really think that we need all the money that we can to provide the services that our citizens expect. I. Think when, when you look at you know, if you're going to lower the millage rate. Well, then what are we going to reduce? That was a famous question that was often asked on the budget Advisory Committee arm, and some of it can be perception. I appreciate that I realized.

J

We lowered it a very small amount, but I think that was a good nod to our citizens. That the economy is improving in a city is, is getting more more more more funds, but I, don't see where we can cut I, don't see. Where would make a a drastic difference and as far as being competitive, you know like I've said before you know it's kind of my thing, this full-service city model- um you know our millage rate- has to be compatible with that of a city and the only one other in Pinellas County.

J

If I'm wrong, correct me, it's st. Petersburg, um that is full service city like we are especially with our with our water plan online. Now so you know, I, don't I think you have to pay for what you expect to receive. So I, don't I. You know again I'm up on any any examination and that's a very healthy thing to do.

J

Each year we should be making sure that we're good stewards of what we're charging citizens to live here, but you know, as far as you know, we're still not back to where we were in the very beginning until we reached that point, I would just be cautious for moving for with any kind of lowering of the military. What.

D

Would you being favorite, you have an option to look at it. Well,.

J

Yes, I, yes like it like it like it like I study, we should always review it. I'm. Just setting my you know, you know I, there's areas I'm that I'm that I'm at a deficit in leeway in in my wheelhouse, definitely in this seat, but um coming from an econ, math background budgeting, my thing and and III don't see unless I see something new where I would be in favor of lowering it, but I'm always willing to have that option. I think we should look at that.

J

Every every budget cycle I'm just expressing to you and and and the rest of the board, my feelings on that: okay,.

H

J

H

Manager aspect: what I need you see, what I say is not funding out of the police office position and those things on the list. I got to know a direction for when I come back to. You am I, looking to find money for those items or am I looking to find money to reduce the millage that the vast difference. So you see the items there so I think we really do need to come to consensus, because it's a difference.

H

The way I'm going to approach it um do I put aside the Austen position, those things you need I'm, trying to find out the reserve and look for money to reduce the millage. Do I do I, look to find money there and I kind of need that direction tonight. Mr.

D

Liquors, you don't need to make any changes working a plan to do just bring another option there. Just to say you.

H

D

Do that that's all no.

H

I, don't agree with you, man well well,.

G

Well, because, if you want to, if your talk about lowering the millage rate, so much, then there's gonna be a short for, like there was last year. What for four hundred thousand forty.

C

G

Thousand twelve, so you know we'll be looking at the same shortfall and we need to you need to remember that we have to Russell service City, so we do have to compare us to other full-service cities. So that's one thing and people forget about that. We also don't have as much industry in our city as sales. More does so you know they're bringing in more revenue than we are so again that pulls back on marketing economic development, so I would not support lowering the millage rate. I think we should leave it where it is.

G

At this point- and you know, we've got a balanced budget right now and there are some other things that we're looking to possibly add to the budget and I. Just think we need to you know what we did save our our taxpayers are all of us four dollars a year or something like that or look yeah.

H

G

I don't know I, just I wouldn't support it at this time. Thank You.

D

Mr. Shibu I.

B

Have to agree with my colleagues and and mr. Sulu I think we have to be very cautious.

B

We've only balanced our budget for the last two years. You never know. What's going to up on the homestead exemption, you know the penny. I also think that we need to keep it where it is right now.

D

Vision core.

L

What is a consensus or question, or what is it deal wherever there's an opportunity to have a residence pay less in taxes I'm in favor of and the situation we're in right now with our current budget, and the needs of that have been proposed to us here. I would almost ask I mean if we're looking at reducing it. Why not look at also increasing it if we're looking at as an option, I mean if we're needing to fill a police officer position to increase his safety of our community? That's a pretty important aspect.

L

As someone that pays taxes here in town, I would like to pay less and I. Have people complain to me when I was door knocking throughout the city that wire Mitel are my taxes going up every year, I heard the millage has gone down and had to explain them. The property taxes or the property values are going up. So with that said, I mean I would almost be in favor, looking at both options, one decreasing it and wanting increasing it to see. If we're in dire need of additional police officer.

L

Would that be an area that needs to be addressed.

I

The middle-aged rate cannot be increased. We said it on the DR 420 at five point four two and that's like the maximum that could be. You can go down until the public hearings, but you can't go up from a 5.4. Okay.

C

L

Where we're at I mean based on our budget and the way the budget Advisory Board recommended I would be okay with rats, though okay.

D

So we do not have a consensus, would leave it the weighted okay, what's next.

D

We're now going to enterprise funds, any discussions on that.

L

I've got a couple questions. It's go.

D

L

Still relatively new in this position, the marina Falls, an enterprise fun correct. Yesterday.

D

L

Course and my understanding.

D

L

That the marina hasn't been it's been more of a loss leader of the city and I. Don't have a full understanding of why we offer a city marina when we have a lot of private businesses that are offering this as an option.

L

Can someone share a little bit or shed some light on that, if we're losing money on this year every year and then up the updates that are required and a capital improvements, and so on? I, just like some more information on this Ron.

H

While you talk about where it is, and then Tom can talk about what improvements were making, which will hopefully change that of where is going well.

I

The revenue it is a smaller fund, it expenses, I, think you're, usually averaging about eighty ninety thousand, but the revenues coming in are currently only about 6070 thousand, so it's been going down.

I

Fun bounds been going about about 20,000 a year, I project it. If it keeps going like this and in three years, it'll be like a negative fund balance I think a lot of it. I guess that I think tom is trying to work on there's some slips that aren't being used right now if they could get those against dredged out or whatever they need to do and start having a full functioning marina that might bring in the some more revenues but a yes. It doesn't have enough revenues right now to cover the expenses in.

H

Tom you want to talk about what you're doing, how that which is direction of the Commission to do the direction of past Commission's would be to make these improvements to hope. We can make it more viable. So.

O

You want to talk about it's.

H

Already budgeting you're presently doing we're.

O

Presently, in that rehabbing, that marina has a speak, the building at celebrate have new restrooms, including for the boaters, eventually dredging it that we do have a couple. Slips are unusable right below the corner of the existing building and then eventually we're going to put a new slips in with the new slips. We believe that we'll be able to get more transient boaters in we have some limitations on the transient boaters. That's that's where that's where the revenue comes in with transient boaters in there, okay.

L

That's a pretty neat, actually a then you bring that up. It's pretty an opportunity for to come in and yes.

O

It is yes and visit our spun shock. Oh, we have to uptick in traffic lately because we got of course economy starting around over there. Yeah.

L

Thanks welcome.

C

B

Said, oh yeah, yeah I'm just going to add something to what about the marina yeah I appreciate the work, that's being done and it's very necessary. I hear all the time people wanting to come transient, boaters planning to come and have a place to dock, and we don't have enough space. So I think it's important that we do have spaces for transient motorists to bring people and buy water. So we.

O

All do the repairs in-house. Yes,.

B

A

G

A question yeah well and I think there's quite a need for for the marina, because you know we have a great waterfront took them up the river and stuff, and people do want to come for the day or for a long weekend or something and I know years past that we weren't really charging and nobody was using. It was kind of run-down so I think once we start charging a regular fee, I think I think we're going to see the marina heavily use it and we will make some money on it.

G

What what's our recall live-aboard is that do we allow live aboard? No.

O

Is that there's a two-week maximum stay? That's.

G

What I did? Okay? Okay, we have somebody, that's doing a live aboard off the grid. Oh yeah,.

C

A

N

G

Why I was just kind of just kind of wondering what what are so, they say two weeks, do you have? Is it just a daily Raider that will charge or would you be charged of? We.

O

We give them a discount for more than you get seven days to pay or six. So.

A

O

Don't have the services button if you want to add the services for bump out for liveaboards, and that would change the permitting over there and that's a whole definition permitting marinas. It's also going to be the home for our boat right. Yes, it is. Yes, that's part of the plan. Yes and.

G

How many flips are we looking at.

O

Oh, we have, we have 21 actual slips, we don't have 19 act, 19, usable ones. Two of them are actually unusable. Okay,.

B

Right, thank you actually do have quite a few people that stay for more than a week. I've noticed don't.

O

We see much trend is like usually 10 12 days if they stay pretty closely and a lot of leave we'll come back to a while later. Let me return.

D

Do we have a lot of customers coming in Friday is to come in Gilley the Aryan Lee yeah.

O

We do we do get quite a nut as many as we do a few three or four days, but do we have quite a few that come in just for the day, for you know for this sums it for four or five hours, and we do have a smaller fee on that I wish I got more four or five hours. We can really turn some revenue over there, but we do get somewhere.

D

O

By the way, I think it's $10 an hour if up to a certain now and then after eight hours charge them for the full day and it saves them a couple bucks. Thank you. Thanks.

A

D

Has a floor of with.

L

The golf course that I know our golf course has been improved tremendously over the past ten years or so from having a lot of sandy areas to being a nice green area. I know, commissioner, kicked them into something along the lines of improving the golf course, and this is my phone or the capital side, but I, don't know the concession area. It sounds like a great opportunity for a beautiful spot to oversee and create some additional revenue for the city as well, so I would be in support of something along those lines. Thank you.

L

This is a city. Waste yard fall under Enterprise, fun.

C

L

So I just had a quick question with the Mears project is a scale the scale house is moving. My understanding right is that and this budget, our previous budget, is that with the mirrors project, the.

O

Scale house right now is prepare to go out the engineering for multi with scale house over to the yard over to the closed landfill. Yes, okay,.

L

What about all the other like recycling bins, and those also is that being moved to that area theories. I kind of saying that no multiple.

O

Plan is we'll use that as another drop-off site for recycling still utilize that same lot. Okay, I think just move the scale across across the road great.

L

Thanks welcome.

O

L

All my questions, thank you. Thank you. Well,.

D

Our Enterprise far is actually pretty healthy. The water and sewer doing well, the acidic tation fun is doing the world. The storm waters do and we'll golf course and the Marino's the only to you that out they were struggling, but now they're proving so. If we're in good thing Commission see, we have something.

B

D

No comment here: okay, thank you. We are now going to the CIP.

D

D

Commission kick to you and start with that. I.

A

Don't have any time you're.

D

Having Commission Panther I'm inviting a panther for comments, okay I got some things that I'd like to talk about that from the public safety. We have.

D

Budget at six hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars for fire truck and equipment is that is that for the new fire station or is to replace the an old one.

I

The six hundred seventy seven thousand yet even for the fire truck, are.

D

Talking equipment just.

I

D

Replace an old on is to replace an old one, yeah.

C

D

The new fire station has all the vehicles does it need to operate? We okay, with that, okay, yeah.

M

This this is part of the plan, our scheduled replacement policy for the vehicles actually we're a year behind and.

H

This one is one we booked for up because we have some other important part. This would. This is a truck that was bumped back a year, okay, so that.

D

H

D

Don't want to make sure that the the new fire station has the the fire I.

M

Believe it is actually going to be assigned to the new station as it works out, but we do have the program where they get replaced every every ten years front line and then five years as a backup. It's just it's the pot, it's a program that we have in place. Good.

C

D

For police vehicles we have $352,000 budgeted is that the addition vehicles are just for replacements or the brand new or vehicles jeez.

K

Those are replacement vehicles every year. We continue to replace the fleets other replenishing, yeah.

D

Looking the the list doesn't say anything but equipment, you need any equipment. Well,.

K

That includes the equipment. That's includes that everything is included. Yep, okay,.

D

Got to make sure they have the equipment right, yep.

K

Thank you. Thank you. Man.

D

So what the water phone.

D

Mr. Smith, here Barbara Robinson, okay, the water distribution of water piping replacement, we budgeted $500,000 for every year, a question that I have is that enough, because we have so much piping. That needs to be replaced in order to to make sure that we have a very good quality water coming to our customer short.

N

Answer, yes, we think it's enough. You.

D

Think it's good yeah.

N

And if we need to move monies around, we have the ability to do that, but you know we've prioritized replacing water lines as we look into the out years here now now we got our plant build. This is a I think it's enough for now. Okay,.

H

Again, you'll see more that when we do our next rate study and you're going to see some more that what we need to do and what our plans is for increasing those every year. So so you'll be seeing that very soon. And in that.

D

Okay for sewer collection, we are budget at $740,000 for sea breeze.

D

We have many sensitive areas photographer spring with septic tanks near the water Bayou the river, or just wonder if or if we identified all these areas that they need to be. We need to replace sewer lines and if we have an aggressive action plan, you start working on that. Well,.

N

This is the first of many. We don't have them particularly identified as project, but you'll see that we do have. Actually you don't see this, but in our ten-year plan we've got budgeted line, items for miscellaneous sewer expansion going out five hundred thousand seven hundred thousand another seven hundred fifty thousand and twenty twenty three. So we are definitely looking at that. We don't have an action plan developed just yet, but we do know that we have money in the rate plan for sewer expansion, yeah.

D

Yeah I think we should be aggressive through spell replace and places some sewer lines, because many of the septic tanks have been there 7080 years. They.

N

C

They'd be on.

D

Near the water agreed probably.

H

Not to go ahead, and but we talked about this again- the budget Advisory Committee brought this up and we talked about it. Sea breeze is unbeknown the list for a while, of course, and we prioritized, and one of the major focal points was because of the quality of lake carpet and to do those septic tank. That's why you've seen three phases of the lake tarpon project and a large amount of money because of that lake, and because of the condition of that lake, that was being the most important priority that being done. We are.

H

We had sea breeze, ranked as the next one when you're dealing with all the areas talk about all the areas of town by waters and stuff like that sea breeze is the next on priority. That's why that's coming next, probably the the project has come down to this. Now that they've done Bay, Shore, Heights and upgraded that sewer, so we can use we're going to be looking at.

H

Probably one of the next things you'll be looking at is connecting those homes near the base, your Heights that are on the water to there and then, as bob said, you'll, be seeing real soon.

H

The plan of where we're going from there out again prioritizing it by the most you know: environmentally sensitive, the ones need the water you'll see that in the plan, or probably this one and you'll be seeing Rule soon coming with the Bay Shore Heights completing theirs to get those homes on Riverside the homeowners we promised in the whole project put up to do those and then you'll see that plan coming forward of what we identify and for you to look at review and have input on where we go from from there to get those areas you're talking about in our aggressive plan, which we will be putting aggressive plan forward to get those businesses as possible.

H

Thank you. So, first.

D

Our stormwater, we budgeted two hundred thousand dollars for GIS core NPDES. What does it mean.

O

Which is its natural discharge? Elimination, it's a permitting process. It's a national pollutant discharge, part I, get to I, give these activates all that stuff, but actually it's our apartment's liberation system. Thank you. Bob he's better at talking, IMS for sure yeah. That's part of our permitting requirements, primarily for all your employer, your discharge of stormwater into the into the open waters so MPD. The GIS is identifying where all these pipes are identifying the exact locations or what they've done they feed out and then getting all that information over here and meet the permit requirements.

O

D

Is something we do every year, yeah.

D

We budget a seven hundred seventy six thousand dollars for stormwater on tenth Street 200 feet east from Grosse Avenue he's not going to help the problem that we have on distant and center street they're.

O

All tied in the we're in the middle of engineering right now for the whole growth Avenue a project and pensall part of that, yes, and eventually the ones on distance and all will feed back over. It's all part of a large stormwater action plan. Okay, because.

D

There's a big tip, yeah.

O

We know about that, but we need to. We need to address this first in order to be able to leave that area. Thank you.

D

My less common question is the business community on the deccan is Boulevard. They have a big storm water issue, yes, and we would discuss that in the past. It was some kind of a project that you're working with getting.

O

D

Problems that we have your.

O

Work, we are working with Brian and some water engineer on multiple options. There's a lot involved, whether you rely, but there's a lot involved. Who do you.

D

Go to where's told me not to be too excited because.

D

H

Hard to move water when it's coming over the banks is hard to move it too. Sometimes, there's.

O

A lot of elements involved in that and then we're also learning from other news powers of trying the same type of repair that have not been very successful. So we're trying to find the right where I, don't forget anything gonna be a help. It will find something it should hopefully somewhere down the road really.

E

The idea that help.

O

H

O

That I don't I over eliminate. Please thank you. Thank.

D

You that's all I, have you want? Mr. super, you have anything faster, crystal ball. I.

L

Said a couple of comments, but I know the gis stormwater it's an important part because it sends a lot of water and to the bodies and it's tilted up the bodies a lot over the past 30 years to where people your footing the body right. Now, it's a pretty disgusting experience because it feels like you're just going into a slime muck, whatever you want to call it.

L

So it is good to see that the city's mapping that out and I would encourage at some point that we would see some type of filtration in the storm waters to prevent some of that getting out there and we could clean it out that way.

L

What a couple things I see that there is like some parking lot, improvements and I know and we've got a Craig, Park tennis court and parking lot improvements at the library and Culture Center, but I growing up in Craig park and being around Trek Park. A lot I see the there cool-looking pillars when you leave the boat ramp parking lot. Yes and there's a lot of people leaving some paint on those pillars as residents that are leaving with their boats or trucks or whatever you want to multiple trailers and so on.

L

So I would encourage the city to look at I, don't know some historic nature to those pillars or what, but looking at moving them or as an area of improvement. That would be one of the areas as well sure.

O

A little give a little history on that I move the accent, move the one pillar on a westbound side, one time years back about three foot and the more you move the more when they leave here the else. But there was going to be a traffic circulation.

O

A study done down it down the that area for the possibility will walk away, we're going to look into that and see how that fits into the whole thing and see what the historical references on those on those those piers I don't know what they are, but I know they do have.

H

To be careful, because there are some people who will come as for the nature of those killers, remember I've even moved it. You had some repercussion.

O

H

L

Well, that's encouraging back prepared.

L

The Public Works yard improvement is that, but what is that gonna entail some.

O

Awnings or we park our equipment outside, you know, of course, in the hot Sun in Florida yeah. A lot of that happens just really hot Sun on the Omni hoses, the hydraulic hoses and all these equipment and attention to dry them out, so we're actually replacing hoses on a faster process than we really should be so really, some Sun to protect the equipment get a little more life out of the equipment. Okay,.

L

That's great just want like a vice mayor ban. Sir I may have said it earlier. It's good to see that the culture center is having a some exterior renovations done on the capital side. I do see that there's wood rot in the windows and is kind of embarrassing to see that another thing I may encourage city manager and some of the city staff.

L

Maybe look at in the future, is to try to tap more into the state budget after I saw the list of items that are on the state budget, for example, I think the fire station.

L

Seventy new building might be a good idea to look at that in the future, to add it to the state budget and see if we could get some type of state funds instead of looking at a general fund or capital improvement project or penny money at some point, and also to continue to look at other projects where, if it's, if it's part or if it's roadways or whatever, maybe to go after state money, because there's a lot of state money up there and I think we could work better together at lobbying.

L

For that money with our state officials, so we don't have to take the full brunt of all the costs, ourselves, city and I'm willing to help and lobby wherever I can to do that as well Thanks. Any.

D

Other questions comments we always finish with the agenda tonight in close enough again, I like to thank our staff. Mr. licorice, thank you for your leadership, our budget Advisory Committee, and everyone has been involved with here with our budget this year. Well, that concludes the budget work session tonight and it's 8:28.

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H

Yeah yeah yeah local I'm, leaving about 10:40 Arrancar quickly back up a little bit early because I got.