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From YouTube: Board of Commissioners December 4 2018
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A
A
C
Bow
your
heads,
our
Father
in
heaven,
give
us
the
power
to
clearly
discern
right
from
wrong
our
words
and
our
actions
to
be
governed,
thereby
and
by
the
laws
of
this
land.
We
ask
for
your
inspiration
to
strive
in
our
endeavors
to
serve
the
public.
We
also
ask
that
you
direct
us
so
that
the
above,
above
all
things
we
will
discharge
our
duties
for
the
benefit
of
the
people.
We
serve
amen.
A
D
Evening,
mayor
city
manager
and
Board
of
Commissioners
I
need
a
protist
901
Bayshore
Drive
I
come
with
three
items
tonight.
I
have
called
the
city
since
July
when
you
face
the
library
and
you
look
north
on
the
west
side,
there
are
weeds
growing
out
between
the
wall,
the
gutter
and
the
roof
it
is
now
progressed
to
where
there
is
a
big
crack.
All
the
way
down,
having
called
and
asked
even
in
city
maintenance
that
something
be
done,
nothing's
been
done
since
July
I'm
concerned
that
it's
going
to
crack.
D
Some
more
I
have
spoken
to
two
commissioners
about
this
and
I'm
as
concerned
that
water
is
going
to
seep
down
between
the
wall
and
the
roof
and
cause
rot
in
our
beautiful
library,
where
we've
spent
millions
of
dollars
to
have
something.
Nice
and
tarpon
springs
so
I'm
here
tonight
to
say,
since
July,
we
need
to
pull
that
weed
out
of
there.
We
need
to
repair
it
and
you
need
to
go
around
the
back
of
the
building
and
see
what's
happening
there.
D
D
When
will
the
roof
be
repaired
because
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
brain
damage
coming
down
through
the
roof,
we've
got
yellow
streamers
in
there
we've
got
buckets,
and
it's
been
months
since
that's
been
in
there.
You
know
we
had
two
great
people
in
Tarpon
Springs.
Without
any
questions.
To
the
city
hand
it
over
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
to
build
that
library
and
to
me
it's
a
disgrace
that
we're
not
taking
care
of
it
and
when
these
things
are
happening
in
life.
First,
is
your
family.
Your
church
and
libraries
are
next
to
that.
D
D
Three
years
ago
we
were
trashed
with
signs
all
over
the
community.
We
are
known
as
epiphany
City
internationally
and
at
that
time,
at
Christmas
and
epiphany
always
signed.
So
were
all
kinds
of
election
signs
all
around
the
Bayou
all
around
the
city.
It
was
horrible.
We
just
finished
state
elections.
There
are
still
signs
out
on
the
right
of
ways
and
I
need
to
ask
the
police
chief.
Will
we
get
in
trouble
if
we
pick
them
up
now
that
the
elections
over
with?
D
Because
you
cannot
pick
up
an
election
sign
that
belongs
to
somebody,
and
we
need
to
have
rules
and
regulations
that
if
they
come
into
our
community,
they
need
to
come
in
and
get
their
signs.
I
am
concerned
because
we're
already
seeing
billboards
yard
signs
is
a
different
situation.
You
have
the
right
to
put
a
yard
sign
in
your
yard
for
someone,
but
to
put
them
all
around
town
on
writer
ways,
especially
at
Christmastime.
It
looks
nasty.
So
please,
let's
get
with
that
gentleman
in
Tallahassee.
Who
is
an
authority
on
municipal
elections
to
get
ideas?
D
Yes,
we
have
to
pay
for
it,
but
it's
well
worth
it
to
get
ideas,
so
we
can
form
our
rules
and
regulations
with
election
signs
coming
at
Christmastime.
Let's
not
trash
our
community
up
again,
like
we
did
three
years
ago
I.
Thank
you.
I
can't
get
any
answers
on
any
of
this.
This
the
election
signs
three
years
the
weed
in
the
wall
since
July.
Please,
let's
do
something!
Thank
you,
Merry
Christmas
and
a
Happy
New
Year.
Thank.
E
F
Good
evening
my
name
is
Dori
Larson
I
live
at
1846
Lexington
place
in
Turpan,
and
I
would
like
to
talk
about
the
National
Climate
Assessment
that
was
released
last
week,
so
the
National
Climate
Assessment
is
a
congressionally
mandated
report.
That's
released
at
least
every
four
years
on
what
past
present
and
future
of
climate
change
means
for
the
United
States.
The
report
is
produced
by
13
federal
agencies
comprising
of
the
u.s.
F
global
change
research
program,
which
is
a
presidential
initiative,
started
by
President,
Reagan
and
mandated
by
Congress
in
the
global
change
research
Act
of
1990
the
climate
science
special
report
billed
as
Volume
one
of
the
fourth
national
climate
assessment
was
released
in
November
of
2017
in
volume.
Two
which
was
just
released,
outlines
the
impacts
and
risks
of
climate
change
for
the
United
States,
as
well
as
adaptation
and
mitigation
options.
F
Top-Line
findings
of
the
report
include
human
activity.
Primarily
burning
fossil
fuels
is
causing
climate
change.
There
is
no
credible
alternative
to
global
warming
emissions
to
explain
the
warming.
Human
economic
losses
from
climate
change
are
significant
for
some
sectors
of
the
US
economy
regarding
storm
surge
and
tidal
flooding.
Frequency
the
depth
and
extent
are
worsened
by
sea
level
rise,
presenting
a
significant
risk
to
America's
trillion
dollar
coastal
property
market
global
sea
level
has
risen
about
eight
to
nine
inches
since
1880,
three
inches
of
which
have
come
just
since
1993.
F
We
can
expect
at
least
several
inches
more
in
the
next
15
years,
with
one
to
four
feet
likely
by
2100
and
as
much
as
8
feet.
8
feet
physically
possible
by
2100
sea
level.
Rise,
has
already
increased
in
the
frequency
of
high
tide
flooding
by
a
factor
of
five
to
ten.
Since
the
1960s
for
some
coastal
communities,
climate
change
is
already
hurting
coastal
ecosystems,
posing
a
threat
to
the
fisheries
and
tourism
industries,
as
well
as
Public
Safety
and
human
health.
Continuing
coastal
impacts
will
worsen
pre-existing
social
inequities
as
vulnerable
communities
reckon
with
how
to
adapt.
F
Transitioning
from
fossil
fuels
to
to
renewable
energy
sources
will
reduce
the
risk
of
climate
impacts.
A
certain
amount
of
warming
is
likely
locked
in,
so
adaptation
is
still
going
to
be
required,
but
the
faster
we
reduce
global
warming
emissions,
the
less
risk
we
face
and
the
cheaper
it
will
be
to
adopt.
We
all
need
to
be
getting
on
board
with
addressing
these
issues
and
doing
everything
in
our
power
to
make
sure
that
we
are
being
proactive.
Thank
you.
G
Good
evening,
I'm,
Sheila
and
Eisler
and
I
reside
at
one-30,
Roosevelt
Boulevard
and
I'm
Sheila
Hooper
nicer,
Mike,
the
fountain
in
front
of
the
library
is
in
names
of
my
parents,
honor
twas
2
weeks
before
Christmas
and
all
through
those
out-of-town
malls,
Santa's
wandered
aimlessly
seeking
gifts
to
deck,
the
halls
with
Black
Friday,
Small,
Business,
Saturday
and
Cyber
Monday.
Yes,
he's
made
a
list
and
checked
it
twice,
but
who
cared
who's
naughty
or
nice?
Kazan
is
pretty
exhausted.
G
So
come
next
Monday
evening
at
currents,
restaurant
to
enjoy
infused
bourbon
appetizers
and
a
craft
brew
admission
is
5
canned
goods,
but
we'll
have
lots
of
donor
prizes
too.
We'll
collect
canned
goods
for
Tarpon
neighbors
and
enjoy
some
holiday
cheer.
So
come
cheer
the
true
beauty
of
the
holidays
with
new
friends
ones
we
hold
gear
dear.
So
all
of
the
merchants
have
gotten
together
to
host
this.
This
evening,
I
went
to
the
library
and
saw
how
empty
the
can.
G
So
I've
got
invitations
I'll
give
to
the
clerk
and
I've
also
got
signs,
basically
we're
coming
together
and
just
collecting
canned
goods
and
the
next
day
the
talk
inspire
rescue.
Are
it's
going
to
pick
it
up?
Everyone
is
donating,
in-kind
services,
there's
no
sponsorships,
there's
no,
you
know
prizes
everybody's
donating
at
door
prizes,
so
we
hope
you'll
come
out
and,
more
importantly,
we
hope
you
bring
lots
of
canned
goods.
Thank
you.
H
Patois
Rick
2604,
Oak,
Circle,
tarpon
springs.
I
just
have
a
suggestion
that
when
somebody
one
of
the
citizens
of
the
town
contacts
you
in
your
role
as
a
commissioner
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
perhaps
if
it's
an
email
form,
you
just
hit
reply
and
say
received.
Thank
you
so
that
the
person
who
writes
to
you
knows
that
you
as
an
individual
received
what
they
wrote.
That's
just
a
suggestion.
Thanks.
I
To
me,
which
I
understand,
would
provide
an
extra
two
minutes
for
a
total
of
six
minutes,
just
making
sure
I
understand
the
rules
again,
I'm
an
attorney
to
mocha
Bartlett
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
all
the
law
owners
and
in
his
point
and
I'm
here
for
two
reasons:
one
to
make
sure
that
the
board
is
aware
of
a
situation,
that's
currently
ongoing
and
also
to
request
your
help.
I'll
give
you
some
brief
background
facts
of
this
matter.
One
of
the
lot
owners
a
lot
of
our
clients,
mr.
I
dog
Matthews,
developed
in
his
point,
and
in
doing
so
over
the
years,
it's
never
been
required
that
sidewalks,
as
a
condition
of
approval,
were
to
be
constructed
fronting
in
a
strive,
and
in
fact
in
in
and
around
2015,
when
mr.
Matthews
went
to
when
he
was
in
the
process
of
development.
He
conferred
with
the
building
department
official
mr.
I
It
appears
the
city
has
reversed
its
position
and
now
is
requiring
sidewalks
to
be
constructed,
fronting
the
street
and
has
even
hit
some
of
the
law
owners
with
notices
of
violation.
This
forced
our
clients
to
file
a
sidewalk
waiver
request
with
the
Board
of
Adjustment,
requesting
a
waiver
of
this
requirement
to
install
sidewalks.
This
went
before
the
Board
of
Adjustment
on
August
22nd
and
was
denied
by
the
board
by
a
vote
of
three
to
two.
The
casting
vote
are.
I
The
deciding
vote
was
cast
by
a
board
member
named
Michael
Eisner,
who
notably
was
involved
in
litigation
with
mr.
Matthews
prior
to
that
hearing,
and
it
was
resolved
and
settled
prior
to
that
hearing,
but
they
were
involved
in
litigation
based
on
our
review
of
the
rules.
Technically,
he
probably
wasn't
required
or
technically
he
wasn't
required
to
recuse
himself,
but
it's
our
belief
that
he
probably
should
recuse
himself
in
that
voting
process.
In
any
event,
the
sidewalk
waiver
request
was
denied,
thereby
requiring
our
clients
to
install
sidewalks.
I
Our
clients
retained
us
to
determine
the
best
course
of
action
how
to
handle
this
situation.
We
determined
that
it's
best
to
do
our
best
to
try
to
avoid
litigation
and
we
fight.
We
advise
our
clients
to
file
a
request
for
relief
under
Section
70.5
1
under
Florida's
land
use,
dispute
and
environmental
resolution
act,
which
basically
requires
that
the
parties
get
together.
I
They
mediate
before
a
special
magistrate
and
that,
if
that
mediation
fails,
then
you
go
to
a
hearing
before
the
special
magistrate
which
then
the
special
magistrate
can
can
give
a
recommendation
to
the
city
which
the
city
can
reject,
accept
or
modify
and
accept
with
conditions
the
city
attorney.
Mr.
eshton
Felder
and
presumably
mr.
Trask
has
taken
the
position
that
we
filed
our
section
70
0.51
request
for
relief
untimely.
I
We
believe
that
position
is
unfounded.
It's
frivolous
and
I'll.
Tell
you
why
section
70.5
1
requires
that
you
serve
your
request
for
relief
within
30
days
of
receipt
of
your
development
order,
so
the
board
of
adjustments,
development
order,
our
clients
didn't
receive
that
order.
Until
october
15th,
we
served
our
request
for
relief
on
November
13th,
which
was
in
29
days
within
29
days
of
receipt
of
the
order
the
city
has
taken,
or
the
city
attorneys
have
the
position
in
the
position
that
we
received
our
order.
I
The
date
of
the
hearing
on
August
22nd
when
an
order
was
not
given
to
our
clients
at
that
hearing
and
in
fact,
an
order
wasn't
even
created,
as
a
date
of
the
hearing,
wasn't
created
till
much
later
in
October,
so
there's
no
way
that
our
clients
could
have
received
the
order.
As
of
that
date
of
the
date
of
the
hearing,
our
clients
filed
the
request
for
relief,
relief,
timely
and
the
city
should
be
processing
this
under
Section
70
0.51
to
preclude
our
clients.
I
From
doing
so,
it's
preventing
our
clients,
access
to
the
courts,
it's
preventing
our
clients
from
utilizing
the
remedies
set
forth
under
florida
statutes
provided
by
the
florida
legislature,
and
we
believe
that
the
city
should
process
it
pursuant
to
section
70.5
1
and
if
there's
any
matter
that
was
that
70.5
one
was
designed
to
resolve
matters
for
its
matter
like
this,
and
we
believe
that
it
should
be
processed
in
accordance
with
it.
And
in
fact,
I've
been
in
correspondence
with
mr.
I
So
I
wanted
to
make
sure
the
board
is
aware
of
this
situation
that
we're
open
to
resolving
it
if
possible,
and
that
we
could
do
that
if
we
pursue
under
if
you
pursue
this
action
under
70.5
1,
so
I
think
you
for
your
time
and
I
hope
that
you
confer
with
your
attorneys
and
and
choose
to
proceed
accordingly.
Thank
you.
J
The
daughters
of
Penelope
were
honored
to
have
a
fundraiser
for
cops
and
kids.
I
would
like
to
thank
all
the
daughters
that
were
involved
for
their
hard
work
and
for
their
dedication,
and
also
the
community
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
that
it
was
overwhelming
the
generosity
with
the
donations
and
the
gifts
and
our
fundraiser,
which
was
a
huge
success.
J
Yesterday
I
lost
a
dear
family
member.
He
was
a
humble
man
and
always
told
me
on
a
daily
basis
that
the
simple
things
in
life
were
the
most
important
I
want
to
thank
officer,
Q,
mrs.
Lewis,
rob
and
and
their
staff
for
providing
these
children
with
the
simple
things
in
life
that
make
a
huge
difference
that
sometimes
we
take
for
granted.
J
J
K
Just
want
to
thank
them,
they
just
came
over
to
me
and
I,
don't
know
where
he
said
they
were
gonna.
Do
this
and
I
psyched
stunned
I,
said
thank
you
and
whatever
you
need.
This
helps
not
a
lot
a
lot,
especially
now
when
we
do
the
Christmas
program
also.
So
it's
I
just
like
to
say
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Miss
Margo
Fellig
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
the
generous
donation
to
the
cops
and
kids
from
the
doors
of
Penelope.
The
doors
of
Penelope
are
known
to
be
generous
and
promoting
the
principles
of
Hellenism,
which
is
what
democracy
is
all
about.
Also:
promoting
education,
philanthropy,
civic
responsibility,
family
and
individual
excellence.
You
guys
are
doing
all
that
and
thank
you
so
much
to
be
so
generous.
Thank
you.
L
Just
I
just
want
say
thank
you,
and
also
thank
you
for
keeping
this.
You
know.
Charity
in
town
I
think
that's
very
important
when
we
look
at
organizations
and
tarpon
springs
or
to
support
that
you
know
we
another.
Basically,
charity
is
helping
another
one
in
Tarpon,
Springs
I,
believe
it
I
believe
that
special
and
there's
pretty
much
no
more
dum
dum
group,
that's
more
deserving
than
cops
and
kids.
So
thank
you
very
much.
M
You
and
you
know
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
as
well
for
remembering
our
cops
and
kids
program,
because
it
is
such
a
great
program
in
our
community
that
started
many
years
ago.
Of
course,
by
we
know
mr.
lacor
is
here,
but
it's
it's
an
important
program
to
help
after-school
care
for
children
and
just
to
keep
them
on
the
right
track
throughout
the
year.
So
this
is
just
a
great,
a
great
honor
for
them,
and
and
again
thank
thank
you.
M
N
Yes,
I
want
to
thank
you,
daughters
of
Penelope.
My
mother
was
a
daughter
of
Penelope
in
Sarasota,
so
I
know
how
hard
you
all
work
to
raise
money
not
only
for
the
church
but
and
it's
wonderful.
You
raise
money
for
the
cops
and
kids
who
are
well
deserving
of
of
any
kind
of
help.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
you
again
and
nice
to
see
you
all.
O
A
Q
Thank
you,
Board
of
Commissioners
good,
to
see
everyone.
We
had
a
big
day
today.
Now
we
cut
the
ribbon
on
a
healthy
hot
program.
So
thank
mr.
each
of
you
for
coming
in
and
being
there
today.
It
was
an
exciting
day
so
fitting
way
to
end
today
by
giving
each
one
of
you
an
update
on
what's
going
on
the
hospital.
So
let
me
kind
of
go
back
in
time
and
I
just
would
like
to
thank
the
board
as
well
as
the
citizens
of
our
great
town
or
voting
YES
on
one.
Q
It
passed
the
lease
extension
passed,
and
so
it
was
overwhelmingly
supported.
So
I
just
would
like
to
thank
everyone
for
your
support,
because
it
does
allow
us
to
do
great
things
and
for
many
many
years
to
come.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
all
your
support,
if
you
supported
that,
thank
you
as
well
Michener's.
Q
So
tonight
I
just
like
to
give
an
update
on
some
of
the
exciting
things
that
are
going
on
at
the
hospital,
and
it's
not
it's
not
my
hospital.
It's
your
hospital,
our
community's
Hospital
and
I
just
want
to
tell
you
I'm
honored,
to
be
the
president
CEO
of
of
this
hospital,
because
the
people
we
have
the
culture
that
we're
bringing
and
that
we
have
established
here
is
really
tremendous
and
I
can't
say
how
humbled
and
honored
I
am
to
lead
this
hospital
out.
Q
So
I
want
to
just
update,
not
only
you
all,
but
but
those
in
attendance
tonight
in
our
town,
our
citizens,
on
really
the
great
work
that's
happening.
There
I
believe
that
the
next
two
three
four
five
five
years
or
the
brightest
days
in
the
hospital's
history,
so
I'm
very
excited
to
be
here
at
this
point
in
time.
So
what
are
we
doing?
First
of
all,
starting
in
January,
we
will
be
renovating
the
interior
of
the
hospital.
Q
So
those
of
you
who
have
been
to
the
hospital
this
is
this
is
something
that's
needed,
something
that
we've
looked
forth
to
doing
for
some
time.
So
we're
looking
at
renovating
floors,
two
three
six
seven
I
will
have
new
nurses
stations
will
have
new
flooring.
New
bumper
guards
will
have
new
wayfinding
signage.
When
you
come
in
the
hospital.
Will
feel
like
a
new
hospital
will
also
renovate
the
lobby
area
as
well.
I'm
very
excited
about
that
work.
Q
Q
Believe
me
I'm,
trying
to
expedite
that
as
best
as
I
can.
But
we
just
ended
the
schematic
design
phase
and
now
we're
going
into
the
construction
documents
and
we'll
be
bidding
the
project
out
and
permitting,
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
familiar
with
construction,
it
takes
time
to
get
there
and
so
I'm
trying
to
do
all
I
can
to
expedite.
But
but
we
are
in
the
construction
document
base
and
so
looking
to
break
ground
late
spring,
and
that
is
our
goal.
It's
an
eighteen
point,
five
million
dollar
project.
Q
It
will
provide
18
examination
rooms
plus
we're
going
to
have
space,
to
add
three
more
so
that
if
the
volumes
are
there
in
the
future,
we
can
expand
into
three
additional
rooms,
and
eighteen
gives
us
the
capacity
to
see
about
thirty
four
thousand
annual
visits.
Just
so
put
it
in
perspective
for
each
one
of
you
right
now
we're
seeing
about
twenty
six
thousand,
so
we
have
room
to
grow.
Q
There's
the
floor
plan
for
those
who
have
gone
to
the
palm
harbor
er,
it's
similar
to
that
one,
and
so
the
good
thing
is
that
the
physicians
and
nurses
they
work
at
both
palm
harbor
and
tarpon
and
so
familiarity
with
this
concept
is
already
in
place.
So
we
really
love
the
concept
and
very
patient
centered
and
and
friendly
as
well.
Q
This
is
the
orientation
of
the
ER
as
it
relates
to
the
hospital.
So
you
can
see
it's
new
construction.
It
Jets
out
from
the
existing
hospital,
and
the
goal
too
is
to
tie
the
ER
to
the
hospital,
and
so
when
I
go
back
and
you
look
at
the
new
facade,
that's
that's
gonna,
be
beautiful!
That's
a
30-foot
wall
that
will
tie
the
new
ER
in
to
the
hospital
and
the
drop-off
area
will
actually
come
out.
Apparently
there's
an
area
that
you
can
drive
under
the
hospital
that
actually
comes
out.
Q
Another
exciting
project
is
the
exterior,
so
we
are
replacing.
We
call
re
skinning
the
hospital,
and
this
will
dramatically
alter
the
look
of
the
hospital.
You
see
a
lot
of
glass
elements
there
and
where
we
are
excited
to
get
this
project
going.
This
will
go
and
happen
concurrent
to
the
ER
project.
It
will
be
about
a
16
month
project.
Your
project
will
be
a
12
month
project,
so
for
the
next
couple
years,
you're
gonna
see
a
lot
of
work
happening
on
the
campus
of
our
Hospital.
So
this
is
very
exciting.
Q
It
gets
us
the
wind
mitigation
that
we
need
so
that
we
will
never
have
to
evacuate
our
Hospital
again.
So
yes
and,
of
course
a
secondary
benefit,
is
it
updates,
curb
appeal
and
aesthetic
value
of
the
hospital,
but
primarily
number
one
is
it's
just
have
an
exterior
a
new
exterior
that
provides
the
wind
mitigation.
So
it's
a
ten
million
dollar
project
construction
will
begin
around
the
same
time
as
the
ER
and
then
I
can't
come
here
without
at
least
talking
about
our
quality
at
the
hospital.
Q
So
we
are
often
awarded
the
top
ratings
for
heart
and
stroke
top
General
Hospital
seventeen.
We
have
another
eighth
grade
and
that's
important
for
you
all
to
know
going
forward
for
this
year
as
well,
so
we're
the
longest
standing
eighth
grade
at
hospital
in
the
Tampa
Bay
area
right
here
in
Tarpon
Springs,
so
just
want
to
get
the
word
out
about
that,
and
a
four
star
rating
worked
very
hard
on
our
quality
over
the
past
seven
eight
years
and
now
we're
gonna
work
hard
on
the
exterior
and
the
finishes
inside
to
match
the
quality.
Q
That's
inside
and
big
news
is
that
we're
changing
our
name.
Of
course.
This
is
not
an
acquisition.
This
is
just
us
unifying
our
name
across
the
country
and
across
the
state
of
Florida,
so
Florida
hospitals
going
away
and
we
will
be
Advent
health,
Northland
Ellis,
so
very
excited
about
what
this
shows
to
our
community
as
well.
I
think
it
elevates
what
we
do
our
care,
our
our
standard,
the
way
that
we
just
interact
with
every
patient
that
walks
in
the
door-
and
just
so
you
all
know
we
say
every
patient.
Every
time
expect.
Q
We
expect
exceptional
treatment
and
care,
and
so
this
just
to
me,
really
takes
our
culture
in
new
direction,
which
I'm
very
excited
about,
so
lots
of
changes
coming
there
in
the
very
near
future
and
just
wanted
to
come
and
share
these
great
things
happening
at
our
Hospital
and
to
our
community.
So,
thank
you
all
for
your
support.
We
feel
it
at
the
hospital
and
I
just
wanted
to
come
and
thank
everyone
for
supporting
our
Hospital
here
in
our
community.
Any
questions.
A
E
L
Big
big,
big,
big
big
fans,
obviously
and
I,
appreciate
all
that
you
all
you
all
do
so
even
today,
with
a
hop-on
hop-off
thing
for
the
seniors
small
things
like
that
to
larger
capital
investments
that
you
do
in
our
building,
so
I
appreciate
that
and
I
can
I
sighs
all
the
time
that
having
a
quality
hospital
is
part
of
a
full-service
city.
When
you
do
all
that,
we
can
to
to
to
maintain
that
I
think
the
residents
have
given
that
green
light,
definitely
and
BND
in
the
referendum.
So
thank
you.
L
M
You
congratulations
on
the
YES
on
one
I
think
this
is
hopefully,
and
people
understood
how
important
this
hospital
is
to
work
and
you've
been
ever
since
the
Adventists
have
come
come
into
the
community.
You've
really
became
partner
with
us
and
just
what
you've
put
into
it
already
shows
that
you
know
you're
here,
long-term
and
and
what
you're
proposing
and
a
long
time
coming
with
a
new
er.
So
you
know,
we've
talked
about
it
for
years,
so
I
can't.
Thank
you
enough
for
that.
M
If
you
know
the
hospital
had
some
hurdles,
you
know
some
reputation
overcome,
but
you
it
seems
that
your
group
has
done
that
so
I
hope,
I
I,
look
forward
to
seeing
these
improvements
and,
if,
like
you
were
talking
about
the
the
facility
on
us,
19
the
emergency
room.
So
if
this
is
mirrored
towards
that
this
emergency
room,
its
state-of-the-art
I've,
been
I've,
been
to
both
and
it
is
state-of-the-art
and
I
have
seen
the
employees
at
both
facilities.
E
M
N
So
I
want
to
echo
their
comments
and
congratulations
than
a
yes
vote.
Also
with
you
Jason
I,
you
know
you've
done
a
great
job
as
a
new
CEO
and
I
want
to
personally
thank
you
for
taking
my
call
on
Thanksgiving,
Day
and
and
and
being
a
caring
person
about
the
community
and
and
our
citizens,
and
and
going
out
there
and
doing
the
job.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
again,
congratulations
and
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
the
end.
P
Mister
Dunkel,
thank
you
for
really
being
a
face
in
the
community
for
the
hospital
and
really
taking
a
root
and
expanding
the
relationship
with
the
city,
the
community,
in
the
hospital
as
a
whole.
It's
great
to
see
you
as
a
leader
of
the
hospital
really
take
that
initiative.
I.
Think
I've
seen
you
more
in
the
community
than
any
other
Hospital
CEO
in
the
past
and
I've
been
aware
of.
So
thank
you
for
that.
P
It's
great
to
see,
like
the
rest
of
the
board,
has
mentioned
the
partnership
that
you've
taken
with
the
city
on
some
of
the
ass
x2
and
really
your
support.
So
it
means
a
lot
and
I
was
a
static
to
see
that
the
vote
passed.
I
know
we
communicated,
and
so
thank
you.
Congratulations
on
that
and
we're
looking
forward
to
seeing
the
hospital
go
through
its
facelift
and
some
other
renovations.
So
thank
you
for
the
presentation
tonight.
P
A
S
S
The
mechanism
by
which
growth
pays
its
own
way,
their
fees
exclusively
charged
to
new
construction,
to
fund
the
capacity
related
infrastructure
investment
that
the
city
has
made
to
be
able
to
support
or
to
provide
service
to
that
new
growth
it
cannot
exceed
the
fee
cannot
exceed
100%
of
its
underlying
cost
basis,
so
in
other
words,
the
impact
fee
can
be
less
than
full
cost
recovery
or
full
cost
recovery,
but
it
can't
exceed
that
100%
or
full
cost
recovery
of
the
underlying
costs.
It's
calculated
as
a
dollar
per
unit
of
capacity.
S
Recognizing
a
credit
for
debt
service
debt
service
is
something
that's
recovered
in
user
fees,
and
so
one
day
when
the
new
connection
has
connected
to
the
system
and
they've
paid
their
impact
fees,
we
don't
want
to
double
recover
on
the
debt
service
that
they
would
be
paying
in
their
user
fees.
So
we
recognize
a
credit
for
that.
S
S
S
And
so,
generally
speaking,
the
way
we've
calculated
an
impact
fee
is
taking
the
value
and
under
the
combined
method,
is
taking
the
value
of
the
system
as
it
exists.
Today
we
take
the
replacement,
cost,
a
new,
less
depreciation
value
of
the
system.
We
add
to
it
the
identified
capacity,
expanding
or
service
expanding
capital
in
the
CIP
we've
deducted
out
any
grants
or
contributed
capital
and
may
have
come,
maybe
from
a
developer
as
that's
not
really
part
of
the
the
city's
costs
incurred.
S
Put
in
that
infrastructure
we
and
then
we
take
that
that
net
number
and
divide
it
by
system
capacity
gives
us
our
unit
of
our
cost
per
unit
of
capacity.
Then
we
have
our
debt
service
credit
that
we
net
off
of
our
impact
or
of
our
fee
per
equivalent
unit
and
then
also
not
shown
up
there,
but
we've
also
in
the
past,
and
continue
to
apply
a
5%
allowance
for
contingency
and.
S
So
currently,
the
impact
fees
in
place
were
last
reviewed
in
2013.
They
were
reviewed
by
Burton
and
associates
since
then,
Burton
and
Associates
has
been
acquired
and
we
are
now
Stantec,
so
we're
the
same
consultants
that
have
been
working
and
reviewing
the
impact
fees
for
the
city
in
2013.
What
was
approved
was
a
water
impact
fee
of
2000
$70
and
a
sewer
impact
fee
of
one
thousand
three
hundred
ninety
one
dollars
for
a
total
of
three
thousand
four
hundred
and
sixty
one
for
the
city's
ordinance
each
year.
S
The
impact
fee
is
adjusted
consistent
with
the
engineering
News
Record
construction
cost
index,
and
this
is
a
widely
accepted
measure
of
the
change
in
cost
for
construction
materials.
The
type
that
would
be
used
for
utility
capital
project
across
the
nation
and
year-over-year
that
that
increase
on
average
since
2013,
has
been
about
3.3
percent.
S
So
when
we
apply
those
annual
changes
it
per
the
en
our
construction
costs
index,
that
brings
us
to
our
fees
that
we
have
today,
which
for
water,
is
two
thousand
four
hundred
and
eight
dollars
per
equivalent
residential
connection
and
for
sewer
1618
dollars.
So
on
a
combined
basis.
Just
over
four
thousand
dollars
per
equivalent
residential
unit
or
connection.
S
And
I'm
just
gonna
take
a
step
back
for
a
second.
So,
as
I
said,
we've
been
conducting
these
reviews
every
four
to
five
years
for
this
city
and
and
as
such,
we,
you
know
we
every
time
and
has
no
different.
This
year,
we
evaluate
the
methodology
in
place
to
ensure
that
it
still
makes
sense
for
the
city,
given
current
its
current
situation
and
based
upon
our
evaluation.
This
year,
we
see
no
reason
to
change
any
of
the
methodology.
That's
been
employed
in
the
past.
S
We
reviewed
the
assumptions
and
those
assumptions
of
have
still
maintained,
there's
still
good
assumptions,
and
so
the
fundamental
difference
between
what
was
conducted
in
2013
verse
today
is.
We
now
have
better
more
current
system
costs.
Also
I
should
say
that
there
has
been
no
incremental
capacity
added
or
taken
away
from
the
system
since
2013.
So
truly
the
the
main
difference
is
the
underlying
cost
basis,
and
so
for
our
existing
system
asset
basis.
S
We
had
fixed
asset
data
provided
by
the
city
through
2017,
and
then
we
escalate
those
well
first,
we
net
off
depreciation
of
each
of
those
assets,
and
then
we
escalate
that
net
book
value
to
current
day
dollars
using
the
engineering,
News
Record
construction
cost
index
and
then
escalate
it
again
to
today's
dollar.
2019
assume
about
3%
escalation
on
the
CIP
portion
of
the
fee.
S
What's
included
on
the
water
side,
is
some
dog
about
$600,000
for
expansion
related
assets
having
to
do
with
the
alternative
water
supply
project,
but
the
rest
of
the
capital
projects
are
for
expansion
of
the
transmission
system
and
reclaimed
water
system.
They
don't
add
any
new
capacity
to
the
system,
but
it's
to
be
able
to
to
provide
new
growth
with
the
existing
capacity
currently
in
place.
S
S
At
full
cost
recovery
that
gives
us
a
proposed
fee
of
two
thousand
two
hundred
and
fifty
three
dollars.
That
represents
a
one
hundred
and
fifty
five
dollar
decrease
from
the
current
fee
or
a
six
point:
four
percent
reduction
on
the
sewer
side.
We
didn't
have
to
worry
about
the
debt,
related
costs
or
credits,
because
there
is
no
debt
in
the
sewer
system,
so
the
current,
so
the
updated
value
of
the
sewer
impact
feet
or
the
sewer
system.
S
Sorry
is
thirty,
one
point
four
million
dollars
because
a
cost
per
eru
of
about
sixteen
hundred
fifty
dollars,
we
net
off
our
5%
allowance
for
estimation
and
contingency,
and
that
gives
us
a
cost
per
I'm.
Sorry
at
full
cost
recovery
that
gives
a
total
proposed
fee
of
1,000
five
hundred
seventy
dollars.
S
K
T
S
One
equivalent
residential
unit
or
equivalent
residential
connection.
Currently,
the
city's
fees
are
third
highest
on
the
list.
It's
converted,
so
it's
the
third
from
the
bottom
there
with
the
reductions
being
proposed,
the
city
with
leapfrog
Dunedin.
It
would
be
fourth
on
that
list.
Fourth
from
the
bottom
on
that
list.
Now,
as
you
look
at
this,
though,
it's
important
to
recognize
that
there
are
we're
looking
at
kind
of
apples
and
oranges
here,
because
every
systems
are
going
to
have
kind
of
a
different
makeup
as
to
what
caused
what
makes
up
their
fees.
S
It
could
be
the
density
of
the
system,
the
the
amount
of
grants
that
may
have
been
used,
the
the
treatment
process,
the
disposal
process
and
all
sorts
of
issues
that
could
cause
one
community
to
have
a
higher
impact
fee
than
than
the
other.
So
it's
not
really
apples
and
tabbles
with
that.
Any
questions.
A
Mr.
grouse,
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
I'm
glad
that
we
were
able
to
reduce
the
impact
piece
and
be
more
compatible
to
the
other
cities.
Look
in
the
survey
that
we
have
here
and
we
still,
even
though
we
with
the
reduction
we're
going
to
be
like
a
halfway
having
our
own
water
plant,
our
reverse
osmosis
water
plan.
What
benefit
that
we
have
compared
to
the
others,
I.
S
S
It's
much
more
expensive
to
treat
brackish
water
than
it
is
to
use
like
a
lime
softening
treatment
process
for
fresh
water,
which
I
believe
is
what
the
the
city
did
in
the
in
the
past,
as
well
as
from
purchasing
from
the
county
and
so
I
would
say
the
well.
That's
one
benefit
right.
There
is
the
fact
that
you're
no
longer
dependent
upon
the
county
for
your
source
of
supply.
S
Yeah
I
think
it's
it's
a
function
of
the
cost.
There
are
a
lot
of
different
factors
see
each
year
the
city
adjusts
its
impact
fees
based
upon
the
change
in
that
construction
cost
index,
and
so,
for
instance,
this
past
five
year
period.
That
average
increase
was
three
point:
three
percent,
when
we
did
the
study
in
2013,
a
significant
portion
of
the
CIO
of
the
cost
basis
of
the
impact
fees
were
projects
in
the
CIP
on
the
water
side.
They
included
all
the
alternative
water
supply
projects.
S
As
time
passed,
we
now
have
embedded
in
our
cost
basis
the
actual
costs
of
those
projects
that
were
budget
budgeted
in
the
capital
improvement
program.
Also,
the
class
of
how
the
the
specific
assets
may
have
been
classified
by
functional
component
now,
it's
based
on
reality,
as
opposed
to
a
budgeting
basis
previously,
so
we
have
a
more
accurate
or
say
more
representative
value
of
the
system,
because
now
it's
based
less
on
budget
and
more
on
actual
expenditures,
and
so
really,
then
now
it's
a
function
of
how?
S
O
P
In
the
city,
so
this
is
I
think
it's
a
good
that
we
review
this
on
four
to
five
years
and
I'm
encouraged
to
see
that
we've
gone
down
a
little
bit,
but
also
knowing
that
we
stay
up
with
inflation
each
year
for
the
Charter.
So
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I've
got
a
couple
of
additional
questions
for
staff
when
we
come
up.
I
think
item.
L
Thank
you,
I
miss
your
cars
comments,
I'm
happy
to
see
that
we
can,
you
know,
adjust
our
position
better
and
I
assume
still
be
solvent
in
that
area,
and
also
you
know,
that's
that's
reducing
our
overall
fee
by
by
by
5%
I
know
it's
always
a
concern
for
especially
small
small
small,
small,
small
builders
and
single-family
homes
or
the
impact
piece.
So
thank
you
for
your
research
and
I'm
that'll
do
in
handy
for
iiiiii.
Don't
pour
anything
thank.
E
A
There
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
Are
they
any
public
comments
to
the
designer
here?
No?
Thank
you
very
much.
We
are
now
going
to
the
consent
agenda.
I,
don't
known
before
satisfaction,
release
of
liens
number
five
is
the
attorney
fees
for
Johnson
and
Jackson
invoice;
thirty,
seven,
zero,
five
and
thirty
seven
zero.
Six
six
is
a
special
event:
a
is
a
Sponge
Docks
arts
and
crafts
or
January
1932.
Twenty-First
B
is
movies
at
the
park.
A
26
February,
16
and
March
ninth
of
2019
see
is
great
beliefs,
competition,
February,
23,
2019
and
number
seven
is
their
would
file
number
1900,
38,
cjj
cap
and
chassis
trucks
and
heavy
equipment
through
the
Florida
sheriffs
Association
contract
number
FS,
a
18
veh
16.0
for
the
purchase
of
300
kW
generator
number
eight
is
their
word
with
number
in
1900,
12,
BRS,
Recreation,
Center,
restrooms
renovation
and
showers.
My
motto:
number
nine
is
increase
file,
number
1801
72
and
our
s
single
source,
purchase
of
rodder,
manias
and
GPS
service
and
routers
and
accessories.
A
For
the
item
number
six,
a
special
event:
number
C
I
will
abstain,
because
the
applicant
is
the
sister
cities
and
I
am
the
present.
Therefore,
the
sister
city,
so,
even
though
that
the
attorneys
ness
is
not
a
conflict,
I
will
abstain
just
to
make
sure
that
we
have.
We
have
we
avoid
any
question.
Any
items
that
you
like
to
pull.
P
A
quick
comment
about
the
bathrooms:
it's
good
to
see
that
again,
they're
nice
remodel
for
the
Recreation
Center
I
know:
we've
made
an
effort
to
go
around
some
of
the
city
buildings
and
remodel
reg,
Park,
the
library
and
obviously
recreations
a
heavily
used
area.
So
this
is
good
to
see
moving
forward,
that
we're
gonna
have
a
improved
facility
for
our
residents
that
visit
our
recreation
center.
Thank
you
are.
A
O
A
We're
now
going
to
the
special
consent
agenda
right
on
number
10,
the
awards
file,
number
1900,
37,
CCM
accessories
and
services
for
the
purchase
of
vehicles,
utilizing
source
will
contract
number
12:07,
16
vehicles,
car
vans,
you
SUVs
and
light
trucks
with
the
related
equipment,
city
manager,
staff
report.
This.
U
Item
is
this
is
one
of
the
items
that's
on
the
special
consent
because
of
the
pricing
solely
because
of
pricing.
All
these
vehicles
you
saw
and
approved
in
2018-2019
budget.
We
went
through
the
bidding
process.
We
normally
do
to
get
the
best
prices
for
the
vehicles,
so
we're
bringing
forward
to
you
in
the
special
consent
form
because
of
the
amount
of
money.
The
approval
of
these
budget
vehicles
from
the
eighteen
nineteen
budget
in.
P
Thanks
first
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
if,
if
it's
an
autumn
improved
in
the
budget,
it
shouldn't
just
be
rubber-stamped
when
it
comes
with
Commission,
because
it's
a
I,
don't
think
that's
a
good
answer
for
any
item.
That's
kind
of
for
us
just
because
it
was
approved
in
the
budget
shouldn't
be
an
answer
that
we
accept,
but
secondly,
I
support.
This
I
think
it's
important
that
we
look
at
replacing
these
vehicles.
I
just
want
to
go
over,
so
the
residents
understand
it
total
cost
it's
about
six
hundred
plus
thousand
dollars.
I
believe
right.
P
So
I
want
to
talk
about
the
age
of
the
vehicles
and
look
at
some
of
these
as
well,
because
sometimes
there's
a
misconception
of
our
vehicles
in
town
because
they
look
newer
and
the
newer
ones
stick
out.
So
this
is
the
age
as
real,
quick
in
1998
2004
2004
2006
2008,
which
was
at
the
fire
department,
and
then
the
police
department
has
some
traffic
torian's
from
2007
to
2010.
U
There's
a
there's,
a
process
that
goes
on
for
government
vehicles.
It's
a
good
process
because,
obviously-
and
the
reason
we
try
to
get
this
in
before
the
first
of
the
year-
is
everybody's
going
to
be
ordering
vehicles
from
these
sources.
So
by
these
people
go
inventing.
For
instance,
I
think
the
one
example
of
50,000
dollar
vehicle
we're
gonna
get
under
these
price
things
for
thirty
thousand,
because
obviously
the
bid
goes
for
the
whole
state,
so
by
sheer
volume.
U
By
doing
a
process
such
as
this,
instead
of
going
to
a
Chevy
dealer,
you're
dealing
with
people
from
all
over
the
place
buying
these
vehicles.
So
it's
a
it's
a
process
where
it's
competitive,
the
competitive
bidding
is
done
and-
and
we
take
the
advantage
of
the
ones
who
win
this
bid
and
there's
two
main
sources
are
the
ones
we
went
with
in
the
sheriff's
department
are
the
two
main
ones
that
go
for
these
fees,
business
and
stuff.
U
The
reason
and
we've
gone
with
the
Sheriff's
Department
contract
before,
but
the
main
reason
we
went
with
this
one
is
the
sheriff's
contract
is
limited
on,
especially
the
police
cars
and
putting
the
accessories
that
we
need
in
them.
So
either
they
come
here
and
sit.
Sometimes
two
months
while
we
could
install
them
or
we'd
have
to
go
through
another
bid
to
contract
out
and
I.
U
Believe
Tampa
usually
had
to
take
him
to
Bob
and
take
him
wait
for
them
to
go,
have
the
accessories
put
in
and
of
course,
obviously,
that
cost
is
more
than
than
this.
So
that
is
the
reason
why
purchasing
is
look
for
these
and
when
you
have
this,
anybody
ask
well
why
the
two
choices?
Why
did
you
pick
this?
U
U
P
That's
encouraging
I
think
so
that
we
get
to
use
them
from
day
one
once
we
take
receipt,
we've
already
paid
for
him
and
they're
an
asset
that
we
paid
for
thanks
for
explaining
it
to
us,
I
think
it's
good
to
know
that
as
a
whole
for
the
residents
to
know
that
this
is
a
cost-saving
measure
that
we're
able
to
leverage
our
relationships
and
contracts
that
we
work
with
other
communities
in
the
agencies
across
the
state.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
C
Thank
You
mr.
Marin
commissioners,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
with
you
tonight,
Robert
and
father
for
those
commissioners
who
I
didn't
get
the
chance
to
say
hi
to
before
the
meeting
started
sitting
in
mr.
Trask.
This
is
a
an
item
that
the
City
Attorney's
Office
is
bringing
forward.
This
particular
property
is
not
a
homestead
property.
C
Obviously,
if
you've
all
looked
at
the
photographs,
it's
been
deemed
by
the
city
to
be
uninhabitable
and
condemned
the
the
as
the
history
of
this
particular
property,
that's
attached
to
the
agenda
indicates
the
city
staff
has
tried
for
a
very
long
time
to
to
work
with
the
owner
and
after
his
passing
the
owner
estate
surviving
relatives,
but
for
whatever
reason,
lack
of
resources
or
whatnot
that
compliance
did
not
occur.
As
you
can
see
from
mr.
C
Trask's
memo
the
outstanding
code,
fines
are
now
at
about
fifty
five
thousand
five
hundred
dollars,
and
the
city
also
has
a
water
sewer,
garbage
lien
for
just
under
$4,000.
Those
would
both
be
foreclosed.
At
the
same
time,
the
action
item
being
requested
by
the
City
Attorney's
Office
tonight
is
for
authorization
to
file
a
foreclosure
action.
Mr.
Preston
want
me
to
make
sure
and
communicate
to
you
that,
while
that
action,
if
approved
tonight,
would
be
filed,
there's
nothing
that
stops
the
city
in
our
office
to
continue
to
work
with
with
the
estate.
C
If
the
estate
chooses
to
go
the
demolition
route,
but
either
which
way,
however,
it
ultimately
resolves
at
least
our
officers
recommendation
that
enough
time
has
gone
by
and
enough
good
faith
is
efforts
been
put
into
it
that
the
folks
in
the
city
who
live
around
this
property,
you
know
need
to
to
get
relief
and
it
is
truly
become
a
safety
issue.
So
that's
our
report.
U
Attorneys
awesome,
I,
don't
know
chief
coach's
been
home
in
code
enforcement
process
of
it,
but
that's
pretty
much
an
item
brought
forward
by
youth.
It
went
to
the
code
enforcement
board
to
bring
forward
to
you
for
foreclosure.
So
this
item
comes
from
the
City
Attorney's
Office
to
proceed
with
that
I,
don't
know
if
chief
kocha
has
anything
to
offer
to
the
case
from
the
code
enforcement
aspect.
We.
V
We
have
been
working
with
the
property
owner
and
we've
got
no
no
compliance
out
of
the
property
owner.
It's.
As
you
know,
the
code
enforcement
board
voted
to
request
that
you
move
forward
with
foreclosure.
This
has
been
condemned
as
an
unsafe
structure.
There's
a
dangerous
structure,
it's
non-contributing
to
historic
district.
So
from
a
code
perspective
we
don't
we
don't
feel
that
we
can
go
any
further
without
the
city
moving
the
foreclosure
on
the
property.
Thank
you.
A
A
P
Just
got
a
couple
questions.
This
is
a
first
I
believe
for
me
being
on
the
board.
I've
seen
other
cases,
I've
gone
on
much
longer
than
two
years.
So,
how
do
we
get
to
a
stand
port
where
the
city
attorney
makes
a
recommendation
to
foreclose
on
a
property?
What
does
that
picture?
Look
like
so
I
just
have
a
better
understanding.
P
C
The
next
thing
to
understand
is
that
our
office
works
very
closely
with
chief
coaching
because
really
the
the
driver,
as
the
mayor
indicated,
compliance
is
the
ultimate
goal
in
our
office,
obviously,
on
a
daily
basis,
isn't
on
the
ground
out
there
looking
to
try
to
work
with
the
owners
to
get
compliance,
that's
chief
coach
and
the
city's
code
enforcement
function,
and
so
there
comes
a
time
and
chief
coach
and
can
can
chime
in.
But
there
comes
a
time
when
the
chief
actually
starts
interfacing
with
mr.
C
Trask
and
says:
look
I've
gone
as
far
as
I
can
go
the
code.
Fines
are
now
substantial
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
to
understand
is
that
under
the
code
enforcement
statutory
scheme,
once
you
are
code,
enforced
bored
places
the
lien
on
the
property
and
that
gets
recorded,
then
you've
got
that
daily
fee
that
is
accumulating,
and
so,
as
the
fee
accumulates.
T
C
So
that
often
times
will
be
the
impetus
to
get
an
owner
to
come
forward
and
say:
okay,
you
know
I'm
I,
see
now
that
I
may
lose
the
whole
thing
and
lease
if
I
resolve
it
in
a
way
that
works
for
me
and
works
for
the
city
to
get
compliance
I
will
at
least
keep
the
value
of
either
the
land
or
even
the
structure,
and
so
every
case
goes
differently.
A
tarpon
springs
does
not
have
as
active
a
foreclosure
process
as
say
done
even
another
one
of
our
clients
they
do
a
lot
of
it.
C
Dunedin
is
Harbor,
Springs
is
more
selective,
but
but
I
think
that's
almost
speaks
in
favor
of
this
particular
item
that
you
can
rest
assured
that
the
chief
Cochin
is
has
gone
out
of
his
way
to
try
everything.
He
possibly
could
you
know
prior
to
supporting
this
kind
of
recommendation,
so
there
is
no
magical
formula
about
when
it
comes
forward.
It's
more
just.
C
As
with
any
other
type
of
foreclosure
the
if
there
is
a
priority
lien
and
the
priority
lien
would
be
satisfied.
First,
so
and
I
don't
know,
I
haven't
done
the
research
on
this.
Mr.
trans
got
the
file,
but
if
you
know,
bank
Acme
Bank
has
a
mortgage
on
it.
That
would
have
priority
over
the
mortgage
that
were
over
the
lien
that
we
filed.
Then
acne
Bank
gets
paid
first
before
the
city
one
would
be
paid.
P
A
E
A
M
You
and
that's
what
I
wanted
to
point
out
as
well
to
Commissioner
Khare.
The
difference
in
this
property
is
that
it's
been
condemned
its
uninhabitable.
It's
it's
unsafe
that
that's
the
difference
between
some
of
the
other
ones
that
we
see
believe
me.
I,
don't
want
to
take
anybody's
home
ever,
but
they
have
been
notified.
They've
gotten
letter
certified
letters
and
it
hasn't
been
taken
care
of
so
and
so
it's
in
such
bad
disrepair
that
it's
been
condemned
and
I.
M
A
N
A
P
This
is
having
an
effect
on
the
rest
of
the
neighborhoods
and
they
could
sit
with
a
bank-owned
for
like
five
to
seven
years
and
the
grass
is
a
mess
and
there's
all
types
different
things
that
are
going
on.
So
if
there's
an
opportunity,
obviously
been
a
pretty
big
advocate
on
encouraging
the
City
Attorney's
Office
to
come
up
with
a
better
process
which
I
believe
we
have
been
doing
over
the
past
few
cases.
So
I'd
like
to
thank
them
for
that.
P
A
U
We
have
an
election
on
one
of
our
meeting
nights,
March
12th
and
obviously
we
can't
meet
on
that
I
sent
y'all
my
recommendation,
which
I'm
bringing
forward
tonight.
Both
these
meetings,
which
I'm
proposed
to
be
on
March,
19th
and
March
26th,
also
be
very
short
meetings.
Those
meetings
in
March
of
an
election
usually
just
finishing
up
business
and
odds
and
ends,
so
they
should
be
very
short
meetings
and
not
much
substance
to
it.
Instead
of
moving
it
during
election
time.
A
W
W
W
As
you
can
see,
we
received
eight
roundabouts
site
design
submissions
and
they
were
narrowed
down
to
two
which
are
going
to
see
tonight.
Both
artists
were
interviewed
by
the
tarpon
springs,
art
associate,
art,
commission,
James,
Gabbard
Minnesotan
with
the
winter
home
in
Sarasota,
and
you
will
see
his
vertical
design
in
Haifa,
Ben
Katia
and
new
yorker
submitted
a
horizontal
design,
both
eyes
artists
estimate
about
the
same
amount
for
the
design
and
installation,
including
materials,
shipping
and
labor,
between
twenty
six
five
and
twenty
eight
thousand.
These
are
estimates.
W
Only
a
final
quote
will
be
provided
after
the
artist
is
selected
site.
Prep
costs
such
as
removal
of
existing
decorative,
concrete
and
extension
electrical
wiring
is
additional.
Both
of
these
candidates
have
worked
with
cities
in
designing
projects,
so
they
are
accustomed
to
all
of
the
requirements.
W
The
first
is
James
gabbard's
design.
It's
a
fountain
design.
Remember
this
freshwater.
He
mocked
it
up
using
white
cardboard,
but
the
actual
material
be
stainless
steel
to
mimic
the
appearance
of
the
movement
of
water
coming
up
and
the
pool
of
water
will
be
stained
concrete
again
mimicking
the
appearance
of
movement
of
water.
We
will
not
have
a
water
feature,
is
actually
either
design
they'll
be
in
ground
up
lighting,
and
if
you
see
to
the
side
he
wants
to
make
it
look
like
water
by
having
some
air
holes
in
the
stainless
steel.
W
A
W
A
W
N
Probably
would
go
with
the
second
one
as
well,
but
I,
just
like
the
simplistic
look
of
what's
good
acres
original
one
was
just
stones
and
and
and
water
and
sitting
on
rocks
since
it
is
freshwater
and
I
know.
You
probably
don't
want
to
go
back
and
look
at
this.
I've
mentioned
it
before,
but
I
prefer
that
natural
look
with
the
pebbles
and
the
water
as
far
as
what
I
think
would
be
appropriate
for
this
particular
process.
W
T
P
Thanks
man,
as
a
reminder,
the
board
of
Commission
has
to
approve
anything
over
the
threshold
of
this
spend.
So
if
we
feel
that
the
two
that
are
presented
are
not
what
the
board
would
like
to
see,
we
could
ask
our
committee
to
go
back
and
to
look
at
some
other
options.
So
I
just
want
to
point
out
a
couple
things
and
first
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
work.
Thank.
W
P
As
you
know,
I'm
passionate
about
art
and
Tarpon
Springs
I
know
sometimes
we
maybe
collide
at
times,
but
I'm
just
passionate
just
as
much
as
you
are
as
well.
To
be
honest,
I
don't
think
either.
These
are
fitting
to
these
statues
today.
The
way
they're
being
presented
but
I
do
appreciate
your
diligence
and
looking
at
designs
available.
P
W
P
Then
initially
my
understanding
was:
is
we
had
a
$15,000
budget
and
that
was
going
to
include
the
site
prep
and
that's
also
included
uplighting.
Now
we
have
the
cost
of
additional
art
which
is
close
to
29,000
dollars,
plus
the
site
prep
with
lighting,
so
it's
gonna
be
I,
don't
know
$5,000
plus,
potentially
so
to
bring
the
statues
in
and
it
was
$75,000.
P
P
I'm,
sorry
misspoke
still
the
nods
aren't
being
represented
well
enough.
I,
don't
think
for
the
type
of
statues
that
they
are
I
would
go
in
the
line
to
follow.
Commissioner
Sieber
brought
up
on
how
the
natural
stones
and
potentially
another
complement
of
bronze
could
be
used
in
the
design
of
the
NIE
adds.
So
there
really
is
so
it's
just
more
fitting
I
think
to
the
statues
to
have
a
white
steel
piece
in
the
middle
and
they're
really
close
together.
P
I,
don't
think
that's
fitting
and
also
that
the
water
design
is
neat,
but
it
mimics
currently,
what's
there
today
of
a
circle,
blue
area,
so
to
pay,
maybe
35
to
60
pair
I'm,
sorry
35
to
40
thousand
dollars
to
get
something
that's
similar
there
today,
just
doesn't
to
me
make
sense.
So
I
would
like
to
go
a
third
option
to
make
a
recommendation
that
we
look
at
more
of
a
natural
stone,
similar
to
how
what's-her-name.
P
P
It's
a
pretty
good
size,
so
I
think
we
could
come
up
with
some
type
of
alternative
to
reflect
both
water
if
we
need
to
and
also
using
some
more
natural
stones
as
an
alternative,
but
I'll
leave
it
up
to
the
board
I'm
not
going
to
vote
on
either
of
these
because
I
don't
think
either
a
more
appropriate
for
these
statues
and
also
appropriate
for
the
area
where
it's
at.
Thank
you.
L
Really
so
I
appreciate
the
board
upon
you
all,
because
you
already
ate
in
this
area
I
mean
you
know,
I
mean
one
of
these
two
I
can
sympathize
with
mr.
Farr's
comments.
Mr.
Sieber,
one
suggestion
I
didn't
see
that
buy
prospered,
faith
I
mean
if
I
had
to
pick
I'll
pick
the
blue
one
I
guess
that's
the
second
one,
but
you
know
it's
it's
it's
it's
whatever,
but
whatever
the
board
wants-
and
you
know
I
just
like
to
see
this
get
done,
my
only
I
wouldn't
call
it
a
complaint.
L
O
W
L
W
L
W
L
A
W
M
M
So
let's
continue
with
the
public
art
I
like
the
second
option,
because
it
signifies
you
know
the
mix
of
the
salt
and
freshwater
and
I
think
that's
perfect
for
these
statues
as
our
community,
we
have
a
mixture
of
I
think
this
the
whole
thing
kind
of
goes
together.
So
if
I
had
to
pick
out
of
these
shoes
out
of
these
two
I
would
choose
the
second
thank.
W
M
A
X
Robinson
9
4,
8,
Bayshore,
Drive
tarpon
springs
with
all
due
respect
to
the
public
arts
committee,
whose
work
I
so
admire.
I
question
the
whole
concept
of
adding
art
to
an
existing
artwork
art.
A
piece
of
sculpture
like
the
nye
ads,
is
a
work
of
the
imagination.
It's
the
imagination
of
the
artists
and
of
the
beholders.
The
NIE
ads
are
celebrating
water
I,
don't
think
we
serve
the
nye
ads
as
a
work
of
art,
any
justice
by
thinking
they
have
to
be
added
to
I.
X
E
P
It
voted
against
it
at
the
time,
but
there
still
prevents
us
from
doing
some
other
projects
with
$40,000
if
it's
uptown,
if
it's
at
our
parks,
if
it's
along
the
roadways,
if
down
at
Sunset
Beach
like
that,
is
one
or
two
other
projects
that
we're
not
gonna
be
able
to
do.
Although
there's
more
funds
than
the
art
fund
still,
but
just
to
think
that
what
other
alternatives
you
have
or
that
$40,000
potentially
Thanks.
N
I
appreciate
your
comments
because,
unfortunately,
I
love
what
you
guys
do,
but
I
felt
the
same
way,
because
the
way
this
is
Goddard
I
mean
Goodacre.
It
shows
it
it's
just
on
pebbles,
with
sitting
on
rocks
in
a
very
natural
setting,
because
there
are
freshwater,
goddesses
and
not
saltwater,
goddesses
and
and
so
to
me,
the
blue
water.
N
Was
you
know,
mix
of
salt
and
and
and
fresh
doesn't
quite
go
I
think
with
what
she
was
thinking
when
she,
you
know
conceived
of
this
idea
and
did
these
statues,
so
I
will
go
with
what
the
board
suggests,
but
I
would
probably
not
go
with
either
one
of
those
if
it
was
my
own
choice.
I
would
like
a
more
simpler
where,
where
the
art
is
actually
appreciated
and
not
art
with
art,
like
our
citizen,
said.
P
T
A
A
O
A
A
We're
now
going
through
the
ordinance
and
resolutions,
item,
number
14
and
item
number
15,
I
related
there
will
be.
No
excuse
me
I'm
wrong.
I.
Remember
14
is
the
ordinance
2018,
that's
29
the
application
18
142
the
infect
beats
water
and
sewer.
This
is
the
first
reading
and
I
will
ask
the
City
Attorney's
duty,
the
ordinance
Thank.
C
You,
mr.
Mara,
this
is
ordinance
2018
29,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs,
Florida,
amending
chapter
20,
water
and
sewers,
specifically
section
xx
1
by
decreasing
the
water
and
sewer
service
impact
fees
providing
for
repeal
of
ordinances
for
parts
of
ordinances
in
conflict
here
with
providing
for
severability
providing
for
inclusion
in
the
clue
and
of
ordinances
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida
and
providing
for
the
effective
date
of
this
ordinance
illegal
advertising.
C
E
A
Y
Good
evening,
mayor
commissioners,
how
the
earlier
Planning
and
Zoning
director
and
staff
for
this
application
I'll
entertain
any
questions
that
you
have.
This
is
a
very
straightforward
change,
its
simply
changing
what
you
saw
in
the
presentation
from
the
existing
fees
that
are
listed
in
the
ordinance
to
the
new
fee
schedule
that
reduces
shows
the
reduction,
so
I
can
entertain
any
questions
that
you
have
I
have.
P
Heather,
can
you
just
give
me
a
quick
I
know:
we've
talked
about
this
a
few
times
just
so.
The
public
understands
the
difference
between
residential
commercial
and,
let's
say
an
apartment,
complex
in
fact,
piece
and
how
those
reviewed
a
little
bit
different
from
an
apartment,
complex
versus
a
single-family
sure.
Y
The
individual
fees
that
you're
seeing
here
for
water
and
sewer
are
actually
for
a
single-family
home
the
for
a
single
resident
unit
when
you're
dealing
with
apartments
or
any
type
of
non-residential,
they're
actually
based
on
fixture
count.
So
what
that
means
is
when
those
new
buildings
come
in,
we
have
the
building
division,
determine
how
many
fixtures
are
associated
and
basically
for
every
25
fixtures
that's
equivalent
to
one
dwelling
unit
and
that's
how
they're
charged.
A
A
P
B
A
You
we
are
now
going
to
the
item
number
15,
which
is
the
earnest
2018
27,
the
application,
18
118
future
land-use
element.
I'll
plan-
have
it
that
this
is
the
first
reading
before
I.
Ask
the
acedia
trying
to
read
the
ordinance
I'd
like
to
tell
the
everyone
that
I
number
15
and
item
number
16
of
related
will
be
discussed
together.
Well,
what
we're
going
to
vote
separately.
C
The
legal
advertising
on
this
item
is
that
the
second
reading
will
be
held
after
the
state
of
Florida
has
reviewed
this
item,
as
is
required
by
Florida
law,
and
it
was
published
in
Tampa
Bay
Times
by
title.
Only
on
June
16th
2018,
the
companion
ordinance
is
ordnance
2018
28,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
Florida,
amending
the
coastal
planning
and
conservation
element
of
the
comprehensive
plan
by
revising
section
2
coastal
management
data
and
analysis
requirements,
subparagraph
3
to
add
a
reference
to
future
land
use
element
policy.
C
One
point:
one
point:
six:
providing
for
removal
of
outdated
references
to
the
Florida,
Administrative,
Code
and
agency
titles,
providing
for
correction
of
scriveners
errors,
providing
for
other
modifications
that
may
arise
from
review
of
this
ordinance
providing
for
severability
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Illegal
advertising
is
that
the
second
reading
will
be
held
after
the
state
of
Florida
has
reviewed
this
ordinance
and
was
published
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Times
by
title
only
on
November
second
2018.
Y
Issues
and
conditions
that
are
particular
concern
to
a
region
encourage
the
continual
cooperation
among
communities
which
have
a
unique
Natural
Area,
irrespective
of
political
boundaries,
to
bring
the
private
and
public
sectors
together
for
establishing
an
orderly,
environmentally
and
economically
sound
plan
for
the
future
needs
of
growth.
This
is
the
basis
for
land-use
development
in
the
state
of
Florida.
It
is
your
state
comprehensive
plan.
Your
comprehensive
plan
is
based
on
the
state
comprehensive
plan.
It
must
be
consistent
with
the
plan.
Y
Y
So
planning
and
conservation
element
and
the
countywide
plan
modify
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
to
remove
references
to
figure.
19
and
instead,
where
appropriate,
required
development
proposals
to
evaluate
in
person
or
wetlands
in
areas
of
significant
habitat,
move
the
density,
intensity
standards
to
policy.
Y
1.1
point
12,
one
point:
one
point:
thirteen
one
point:
one
point:
fourteen
identify
the
significant
upland
habitat
shown
on
figure
19
that
are
believed
to
be
present
in
the
city
in
order
to
prioritize
protection
for
high
quality,
contiguous,
significant
upland,
habitat
of
five
acres
or
larger,
as
determined
by
a
qualified
professional
based
on
staff's
research
and
professional
opinion.
The
following
changes
are
recommended
to
the
coastal
planning
and
conservation
element.
Remove
the
word
area
from
the
name.
Y
Coastal
planning
in
conservation
element
remove
reference
to
9
g5
of
the
Administrative
Code,
which
was
repealed
in
2011,
changed
the
title
of
the
state
agency
responsible
for
land
planning,
remove
outdated
references
to
utility
providers,
remove
figure
and
sorry
remove
references
to
figure
19
a
reference
new
future
land
use
policy.
1.1
point
12
in
the
element.
Y
Those
are
the
changes
that
we
are
proposing
tonight
with
that
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
heard
this
application
on
the
future
land-use
component.
There
was
a
split
decision.
There
was
concern
over
some
of
the
policy
language
that
was
being
changed,
actually
not
I
misspoke,
not
the
policy
language,
but
the
changes
in
section
6
that
I
outlined
in
their
entirety.
With
reference
to
wetlands,
there
was
some
concern,
but
there
was
a
4-2
vote
to
move
that
forward
for
your
review
and
approval
and
on
the
coastal
element.
Y
There
was
a
unanimous
vote
to
move
those
changes
for
it
and
with
that
I
can
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
We
have
received
up
to
this
point
to
letters
that
staff
is
aware
of
now.
You
have
may
have
received
additional
correspondence
that
I'm
not
aware
of,
but
we
have
received
two
letters
that
came
to
our
attention
and
I
can
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
A
A
Y
A
Y
Depends
on
who
has
the
who's
the
agency
of
review.
In
most
cases
in
the
state
of
Florida,
you
will
have
a
review
by
either
Department
of
Environmental,
Protection
or
swift
mud
in
our
particular
district,
but
many
times,
you'll
also
have
a
federal
review
through
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers.
If
there's
a
navigable
waterway
that
the
wetland
or
associated
improvements
are
adjacent
to.
A
Y
The
individual
applicant
would
provide
their
study,
along
with
all
of
their
application
materials
to
this
board.
This
board
would
then
act
on
those
individual
applications.
Once
you
deem
that
application
to
be
worthy
of
moving
forward,
it
would
then
move
into
the
permitting
process
once
it
moves
into
the
permitting
process.
They
will
then
submit
to
the
state
agencies
many
times
we
get,
encourage
them
to
submit
early
to
the
state
agencies
so
that
we
already
know
from
the
state
agencies
that
whatever
they're
proposing
is
can
with
what
the
state
is
going
to
accept.
A
Y
Y
Policy
1.1.1
of
your
coastal
and
plan,
your
coastal
element
and
coastal
and
conservation
element
sets
out
the
mitigation
policy,
that's
not
being
adjusted
tonight.
That's
existing
in
your
comp
plan
has
been
existing
in
your
comp
plan
for
some
time
and
essentially
it
sets
out
a
priority
list
of
how
we
would
like
mitigation
to
occur
within
the
city
when
we're
dealing
with
wetland
impacts.
Y
The
first
priority
would
be
on-site
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
them
to
do
mitigation
on-site
and
it's
not
in
and
mitigate
for
that
wetland
on-site.
We
obviously
would
look
to
that
first.
Secondly,
if
the
city
owns
a
property
or
has
the
ability
to
get
two
owners
together
and
work
with
two
owners
that
is
inside
the
city
boundaries,
we
would
look
to
that,
as
your
second
offer,
your
second
opportunity
for
mitigation.
Y
Y
Your
staff
will
definitely
look
at
it.
Obviously
we
can
determine
based
on
the
number
of
wetlands
they're
mitigating,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
loss
of
based
on
their
their
mitigation
that
they're
proposing.
But
ultimately
the
final
decision
is
made
at
the
state
agency
level
so
either
at
Swift,
mud
de
DEP
or
Army
Corps.
Y
Would
not
be
recommended
because
you
are
supposed
to
be
consistent
with
the
state
and
with
this
mitigation
there
is
policy
language
in
another
Florida
statute.
That
basically
says
we
have
to
accept
the
mitigation
that
the
that
the
state
accepts.
So
we
can
have
policy
language
that
may
be
more
restrictive,
but
actually
implementing
that
policy
language.
It
becomes
very
difficult
when
the
state
agency
approves
something
different
than
what's
in,
what's
established
in
our
comp
plan
or
in
our
language.
L
I
know
something
that
it's
been
a
long
time
coming
I.
Thank
you
for
meeting
with
me
last
week
to
help,
as
I
said.
You
know,
help
me
understand
these
issues
better.
So
just
reiterate,
I
know,
I
know
that
daddy
mayor
asked
asked
a
lot
of
this.
Basically,
the
crux
of
this
into
it,
though
there
was
a
map
that
was
paraded
about
about
20
years
ago,
identifies
properties
and
tarpon
springs
that
can
have
their
different
kinds
of
species
or
environmental
issues
and
right
now,
as
that
map
stands,
it
would
be
impossible
or
very
difficult
to
develop.
L
Y
Yes
and
no,
that
map
basically
said
it
lays
out
where
those
properties
are
where
those
habitats
are
believed
to
be
based
on
that
map.
That
map
has
not
been
ground
truth
for
at
least
in
our
community.
It
has
not
been
ground
truth,
so
those
those
habitats
may
actually
exist,
or
there
may
be
different
habitats
that
exist
on
on
certain
properties,
so
it
would,
it
makes
difficult
it
makes
it
a
little
bit
harder
to
determine
whether
those
habitats
are
going
to
be
impacted
significantly
without
knowing,
what's
actually
on
the
properties.
Y
So
we're
looking
to
take
some
of
that
ambiguity
out
of
the
system
for
the
folks
who
are
coming
into
develop
and
make
it
a
little
bit
more
of
a
fair
system
so
that
they
know
what
they're
going
to
have
to
encounter
what
they're
responsible
for
doing
when
they
walk
in
the
door.
They
know
that
they
have
to
study
those
issues
because
they're
all
they're
located
on
their
properties
located
on
the
map
and
that
they
have
to
show
us
what
actually
is
on
that
property.
They
still
would
have
to
do
their
wetland
annales
their
jurisdictional
line.
Y
They
still
would
have
to
do
their
tree
surveys.
They
still
have
to
do
their
wildlife
surveys.
This
is
specific
to
the
upland
habitat.
Only
the
wetlands
are
still
gonna
have
to
be
studied,
are
still
going
to
be
provide
an
environmental
study
that
doesn't
change
all
that
this
changes
is
the
the
type
of
wetland
habitat
requirements
that
we
have
in
place.
L
L
Would
is
there
anything
in
the
language
or
in
that
line
of
work
where
they
would
have
to
discover
a
little
out
like
other
things,
or
is
it
a
very
specific
thing
like
yeah,
they
said,
there's
groundhogs
there
and
that's
not
probably
what
we're
talking
about
tonight,
but
there's
groundhogs
on
that
site
with
the
weather
with
it
with
it.
Would
their
study
just
have
to
be
for
groundhogs,
or
would
it
be
more
of
a
generic
started
that
would
identify
other
things
there
that
might
not
be
on
the
map
so.
Y
So
if
you
have
scrub
habitat
you're
going
to
have
a
different
group
of
animal
assemblage
there
and
a
different
group
of
plants
there,
then,
if
you
have,
you
know
longleaf
pine,
you'll
Forest,
so
because
of
the
fact
that
the
habitat
is
now,
it
will
be
required
to
be
studied
on
these
larger
parcels,
five
acres
or
larger
you're,
going
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
whether
that
habitat
exists.
It's
going
to
better
give
you
a
little
or
give
you
more
information
so
that
you
can
better
decide
whether
or
not
an
environmental
analysis
is
required.
Y
In
most
cases,
it's
very
very
easy
to
determine
whether
or
not
a
threatened
or
endangered
species
is
there
gays,
based
by
looking
at
their
habitat
management
plans
and
their
habitat
management
plans,
really
dictate
what
type
of
habitat
they're
gonna
be
found
in.
That
doesn't
mean
that
you're
not
going
to
have
an
endangered
bird
that
comes
on
to
a
property.
You
can
have
that
it
doesn't
mean
you
might
not
have
an
endangered
plant.
Y
Those
things
migrate
as
well,
so
you
can
have
that
even
outside
of
habitats
is
just
the
the
management
plans
that
we
do
for
species,
whether
it's
a
plant
species
or
a
bi
or
a
animal
species,
are
done
because
of
their
based
on
what
their
normal
habitats
or
their
normal
habits
are.
Where
they're
found
normally
and
commonly
all.
Y
Correct
all
of
the
all
of
the
wildlife
analysis
that
we
get
on
these
properties.
All
of
the
wetland
surveys
that
are
supplied,
those
are
all
supplied
as
part
of
your
back
up
to
your
packets
they're
brought
forward
to
this
board
for
decision
they're
brought
forward
to
the
Planning
Board.
We
bring
all
of
that
information
that
your
traffic
studies
any
type
of
specialized
study.
This.
L
L
L
Y
Think
it
brings
more
clarity
to
the
process
for
everybody
involved.
I
think
it
makes
it
levels
the
playing
field
that
developers
know
what
they're
going
to
what
they're
going
to
get
when
they
come
into
the
planning
department.
It
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
Heather
or
Renee,
or
some
other
planning
director
sitting
in
the
seat.
It's
written
in
the
book
when.
L
Y
Certainly
that
policy
just
lays
out
the
part
of
the
priority
list.
The
priority
list
is
on
the
property.
If
you
can
do
it,
if
you
can't
do
it
on
the
property
or
there's
no
ability
to
do
it
on
the
property,
it's
inside
the
city
limits,
if
we
have
properties
that
we
know
that
need
to
be
mitigated
which
we've
identified
several
properties
that
we
know
based
on
the
mitigations
that
are
out
there,
we
would
encourage
folks
to
you
know,
work
with
us
to
get
those
projects
dealt
with
internally
in
the
in
the
community.
Y
Also,
if
we
have
developers
who
let
us
know
that
there
are
mitigation
opportunities
on
their
property,
we
don't
necessarily
know
where
every
single
wetland
is
in
town.
So
if
we
know
that
there's
a
degraded
wetland
that
somebody's
planning
on
maintaining,
we
would
certainly
want
to
partner
with
them
and
then
get
the
developers
together.
So
we
can
do
those
private
private
partnerships
as
well
as
private
public
partnerships
and
then
finally,
the
last
step
in
that
mitigation
would
be.
You
know,
off-site
somewhere
else
in
the
watershed.
So.
Y
That
that's
something
that
would
be
open
to
discussion
during
the
site
planning
process.
If
you
see
wetlands
on
a
property
and
we
tell
you
that
they're
going
to
be
filled-
and
this
is
what
the
jurisdictional
is
telling
us.
If
we
have
those
options,
we
would
bring
bringing
those
options
forward
to
you
and
we
may
be
bringing
those
options
forward
to
you
before
we
actually
get
to
the
site
planning
process,
because
you
would
need
to
approve
that
before
we
can.
Even
you
know
guarantee
that
the
design
is
going
to
work.
L
Y
I
think
when
you
do
your
land
development
coud
update
it's
time
for
you
to
look
at
that
when
that
wetlands
section
as
well,
and
really
look
at
the
languages
in
the
comp
plan
and
really
adjust
the
language
in
the
land
development
code
to
strengthen
what's
in
your
comp
plan
and
because
that's
where
you
get
at
it,
where
you
get
at
those
type
of
issues,
is
not
the
comp
plan
level.
That's
your
implementation
legislation,
that's
at
where
it's
the
rubber
meets.
Y
L
And
last
that
last
question
and
I
and
I
and
I
had
asked
you
about
this,
but
for
the
for
the
for
this,
for
the
sake
of
the
public,
some
some
have
argued
that
this
was
only
done
for
Wawa
that
this
was
done
to
you
know.
If
I
had
come
forward,
they
obviously
cancel
their
plans
and
been
approved.
That's
what
it
had
to
been
approved
now
for
them
to
do
what
they
wish
to
do.
You
know
on
that
side
of
what's
your
response
to
that.
Well,.
Y
You
would
if
this
had
Wawa
come
through
the
process,
whether
this
was
a
whether
this
was
on
the
docket
or
not
you
wouldn't.
You
would
need
to
have
done
something
for
wobble,
because
that
has
an
existing
wetland
permit
on
it.
The
wetland
mitigation
has
already
been
approved
by
the
jurisdictional.
It
is
not
consistent
with
the
policy
in
your
client
and
comp
plan
right
now,
and
that
was
approved
under
the
previous
approval
that
was
done
for
CVS
I
believe
it
was
maybe
three
five
year
three
to
five
years
ago.
Y
So
there's
some
issues
with
the
jurisdictional
permits
being
seven
to
ten
years
and
then
being
able
to
extend
that
and
our
own
site
planning
requirements,
because
if
you
don't
build
it
within
a
year
that
site
plan
goes
away,
there
has
to
be
a
reconciliation
at
some
point.
That's
something
that
the
staff
is
going
to
have
to
work
with
the
state
on,
because
we
have
that
expiration
date.
M
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
clarifying
some
of
these
some
of
this
for
us
tonight,
because
can
be
a
little
confusing
at
times.
I
just
I,
think
most
of
my
questions
have
been
answered,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
if
this
was
approved
tonight,
we
want
to
be
more
consistent
with
the
policies
and
the
goals
of
the
state
comp
plan.
So
so
this
would
this
would
these
changes
would
be
consistent
with
the
with
the
state
comp
plan,
or
this.
Y
Y
M
And
so,
and
to
clarify
again
any
applicant,
they
do
their
study.
Then
it
comes
to
staff.
So
it's
the
same
process.
That's
correct!
We
do
our
own
our
own
studies.
It
goes
to
all
the
agencies
that
it's
always
gone
to
all
the
other
agencies
as
well,
so
nothing's
changed
within
that
regard.
That's
correct.
Okay
and.
M
The
only
thing
is
you
made
a
comment:
you
know
that
this
is
growth
that
is
environmentally
and
and
noted
as
very
melting
in
a
sensitive
matter.
So
it's
not
that
were
is
a
Smart
Growth
this
this
would
contain.
This
would
be
more
like
Smart
Growth
and
we're
not
taking
anything
away,
we're
not
making
things
easier
for
anybody
out
there.
It's
really
going
through
the
same
process.
Ultimately,
our
board
has
has
the
ultimate
say
so
yes
or
no
to
the
project.
That's
correct!.
N
I'm
an
outdoors
person
I'm
an
environmental
person,
I've
checked
several
times
at
the
mirror's
project
and
the
screen
behind
it
and
come
to
you
with
concerns
and
had
it
looked
at
because
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
things
are
going
right
and
thank
you
for
always
following
up
with
me
and
Kevin
as
well,
but
I
understand
that
you
want
to
make
this
more
consistent
and
have
moved
some
of
these
sections
from
implementation.
To
section
three
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
something
and
section
3b,
six
removal
of
in
their
entirety.
N
Y
You
are
allowing
in
another
section
of
the
comp
plan,
which
would
be
the
policy
we've
been
talking
about
for
mitigation
mitigation.
In
order
for
you
to
have
a
mitigation
requirement,
you
have
to
impact
the
wetlands,
you
wouldn't
be
mitigating
for
something
unless
it
you're
impacting
it.
So
when
you
say,
you're
gonna
preserve
something
in
your
entirety,
and
then
you
say
in
another
section
of
your
comprehensive
plan
that
you're
going
to
allow
for
mitigation.
That's
internally,
inconsistent
onto
itself.
Y
Y
The
state's
policy
is
a
no
net
loss
policy.
It
is
not
in
the
in
its
entirety.
It
is
based
on
what
they
perceive
to
be
no
net
loss
and
so
sometimes
that
that
doesn't
necessarily
isn't
necessarily
consistent
with
what
local
with
the
local
district
seems
want,
and-
and
we
need
to
recognize
that
and
understand
that
and
appreciate
that
that.
N
Y
Not
I
don't
have
jurisdiction
over
the
over
the
environmental
permits
that
are
issued.
That's
something
that's
done
at
either.
Swift
bud
or
DEP
can
I
make
recommendations.
Can
you
have
a
higher
standing
near
code?
Absolutely
Pinellas
County
has
higher
standards
in
their
code.
They
don't
always
get
those
higher
standards
if
the
jurisdictional
permits
are
don't
meet
the
standards
now.
Can
you
attempt
to
put
additional
regulations
in
your
absolutely?
Can
I
can
I
enforce
them,
not
necessarily.
N
Y
N
N
N
Y
I,
don't
control
the
map,
and
you
know
of
our
opinion,
is
what
we've
removed
the
references
to
the
map
but
left
the
map
in
there,
because
it
does
show
the
locations
of
property
in
there
and
instead
we're
regulating
the
actual
habitats
that
are
shown
on
the
map,
which
is
probably
the
better
way
for
us
to
do
it.
Because,
when
requiring
the
study,
we
can
ground
truth
that
and
then
we
can
determine
it
is
outdated.
That's
correct.
N
P
Y
P
P
Y
Y
It
sometimes
can
include
you
know,
removing
exotic
species
which
aren't
really
included
basically
helping
the
function
of
the
of
the
wetland.
It
can
include
a
group
of
different
methods
by
which
that
the
state
approves
those
types
of
impacts,
so
Ellen's.
So
there's
a
there's,
a
group
of
different
improvements
that
can
be
made
submit.
P
P
One
of
the
things
is
developments
typically
hire
a
consultant
to
come
out
and
verify
what
this
site
actually
looked.
Like
looks
like
so,
let's
just
say
a
developer
wants
to
I.
Don't
know
you
hear
these
things
pay
off
a
surveyor
and
to
falsify
a
statement
of
some
sort.
What
falls
into
play
I
mean
there's
a
that's
potentially
that's
concerned
fraud
right
and
then.
Y
In
that
particular
case,
yes,
because
a
surveyor
is
actually
a
licensed
professional
in
the
state
of
Florida,
they
have
a
very
defined
category
on
what
they
can
and
what
they
can
approve
and
what
they
can't
approve
and
they
very
limited
scope
based
on
what
they
what
they
could
do.
Now
there
are
environmental
professionals
who
are
also
surveyors,
and
so
there's
there's
there's
there's
language
in
the
legislation
that
kind
of
allows
those
professionals
to
work
in
both
fields.
Y
Clearly
they
have
skill
sets
in
both
fields,
but
that
is
determined
at
the
the
state
whether
what
what
that
qualifying
professional
is
obviously
we're
going
to
want
to
see
your
credentials
as
part
of
your
study,
Pat
and
I.
Both
there
are
people
that
we
just
know
in
the
field.
We've
worked
with
them
many
many
years,
so
we
know
their
names,
we
know
their
their
qualifications,
but
folks
that
are
that
are
new
to
us.
We
do
a
little
bit
of
research
to
find
out.
Y
You
know
a
little
bit
about
them,
lots
of
times,
we'll
call
them
and
talk
to
them,
especially
if
we
start
looking
through
the
studying
something
doesn't
really
jive.
We
always
have
the
potential
through
through
our
other
contracts,
of
actually
hiring
a
professional
to
work
with
us.
If
we
are
concerned
that
the
information
that
we're
getting,
we
did
that
for
traffic
studies,
we
would
do
the
same
thing
for
wildlife,
analysis
or
wetland
analysis.
If
we
had
concerns
I.
P
Y
Did
try
to
bring
that
forward
that
ones
when
staff
needed
those
resources
that
we'd
be
able
to
recoup
that
by
you
know,
charging
that
that
responsibility
back
to
the
applicant
and
that
failed,
so
we
can
certainly
bring
that
back
and
discuss
it
again.
If
that's
something
that
the
board
is
interesting
and
discussing
that
way,
having
that
resource
available,
we
certainly
do
have
contracts
where
we
can
get
at
those
resources.
I.
P
L
L
I'm
here
tonight,
I
can
tell
by
some
of
the
sounds,
the
crowd
just
probably
be
some
people,
possibly
that
might
might
not
be
happy
tonight
and
first
thing
is
I.
Want
you
to
know.
I
know.
There
was
no,
though,
though,
though
there
was
a
comment
made
about
replying
to
emails,
I
did
the
best.
I
can
I
can't
apply
it
to
it
to
every
single
one,
but
I
do
read
them,
especially
when
it
comes
to
issues
like
this.
L
What
I
consider
myself
I
like
an
expert,
so
your
your
your
your
your
your
your
your
emails
are
very
helpful.
So
so
please,
don't
don't
don't
stop,
don't
don't
don't
don't
stop
doing
that,
but
I
think
as
mr.
aspart
can
I
can
attest
to
I.
Do
reply
to
emails
even
when
they're
pretty
harsh
towards
me
so
and
and
that's
and
that's
a
good
thing.
L
I
I
did
meet
with
two
people
from
Robin
I
guess
you
called
the
opposing
side
of
this
to
help
me
clarify
from
from
from
from
from
their
end
and
the
theme
that
I
gather
and
I
can't
speak
for
it
more
than
just
these.
These
these,
these
two
individuals
was
that
there
isn't
there
is.
There
is
no
compromise
because
always
that's
a
table.
Well,
you
know:
what's
the
compromise
I
try
and
find
somewhere
in
the
middle
and
I
said
well
there
there
there
is.
L
There
is
none
and
that's
not
how
this
board
works
or
Ybor
should
work.
I,
think
you
know,
if
you,
you
think
you
can
have
your
opinion
and
that's
good,
and
but
you
guys
trying
to
find
compromise.
You
could
probably
would
disagree,
but
I
view
this
as
a
compromise,
because,
instead
of
relying
on
on
a
map-
that's
that's
you
know,
20
years
old
and
that's
a
guess-
we're
actually
verifying
what
something.
What's
up?
What's
up?
L
What's
on
that
property,
which
then
leads
me
to
believe,
some
opposed
just
might
not
want
any
any
any
development
at
all
and
I
respect
that
opinion.
I,
don't
know
what,
though
I
do
and
at
the
same
hand
I
would
encourage
you
all
to
to
think,
and
you
know
easily
someone
could
have
said
well,
you
can't
develop
north
north
north
in
Ellis,
County
I
mean
tarpon,
springs
is
just
a
bunch
of
islands
and
then
like
enlighten
like
em,
like
swamps,
work
together,
so
I
think
we
have
to
be
creative
and
smart.
L
How
we
approach
our
development,
always
always
protecting
it.
I've
said
countless
times
running
for
office
and
on
this
board
we
have
the
most
coastline,
a
very
city
I'm
in
I'm,
in
Pinellas
County,
but
that
is
an
asset
that
God
has
given
us
and
we
have
to
protect
it.
We
have
to
be
smart.
How
we
do
that,
we
can't
just
say
we're
we're
not
gonna,
develop
we're,
not
gonna
trust
studies.
We
have
to
come
in
the
middle
and
find
compromise.
L
So
if
there's
a
compromise,
if
you
all
do
have
suggestions,
we
are
we
we
are,
we
are
we
are.
We
are
all
all
all
ears
tonight,
but
IIIi
I
think
it's
important
when
discussing
these
issues
to
come
to
a
compromise
and
as
mayor
mayor
Archie's
in
the
crowd
tonight
when
he
was
mayor
he
he
would
often
say
well,
everyone
might
leave
a
little
unhappy
and
that's
a
good
sign
so
I
think
that's
what
what
what
we
should
we
should
have.
We
should
strive
for
this.
So
thank.
K
D
D
That
was
all
done
with
a
previous
board,
a
previous
mayor
and
a
previous
city
manager,
and
we
came
up
here
and
fought
it,
because
that
little
bit
of
wetland
was
a
spawning
place
that
went
underground
channels
to
the
Bayou,
with
baby
fish
little
crabs,
crustaceans,
it's
dead
now
when
they
were
filling
that
in
there
were
little
Tarpons
in
there
they
killed
them
every
day
we
went
down
there
and
we
found
all
this
stuff
all
over.
We
went
to
Tallahassee,
but
we
couldn't
fight
it
myself.
D
As
the
previous
mayor,
commissioner,
two
other
commissioners,
we
went
twice
up
to
Tallahassee
file
complaints.
We
couldn't
fight
it.
People
in
the
community
didn't
understand
what
was
happening,
but
you
saw
this
dead
that
they
would
dig
up
and
then
fill
in
where
wall
won't
wanted
to
go.
That
is
a
big
wetland.
I'm
glad
to
see
this
coming
up,
you're
going
to
have
development.
You
cannot
stop
development.
People
have
property
rights
in
this
country
and
that
wins
in
court
I've
been
through
it
for
over
15
years.
D
They
went
in
court
and
the
city
loses
their
money,
but
you
can
make
regulations
and
make
them
stick
by
it.
I,
like
some
the
stuff
I
hear
tonight,
then
I'm
wondering
how
much
is
it
really
going
to
protect
now?
West
Bayshore
behind
me
isn't
wetlands,
but
they
cut
down
every
tree
and
yes,
I
did
call
up
there
four
times
and
file
complaints
when
they
killed
gopher
Turtles
I
saw
it
when
they
would
take
shovels
and
just
smash
them,
so
they
wouldn't
have
to
really
Kait
them.
Nobody
did
Paul
city
call
the
state.
D
No
one
did
anything.
We
all
watched
it,
so
you
can't
tie
the
hands
of
the
developer
too
much
because
you're
taking
their
rights
away.
Yet
you
have
to
protect
your
community
and
the
biggest
piece
I
think
we
have
right
now
to
take
care
of
and
protect,
is
the
corner
of
Mears
and
altered.
19
always
wanted
to
go.
That
is
a
very
delicate
environmental
issue
on
wetlands.
That's
why
it
has
never
been
developed
in
all
these
years
and
I'm,
an
old
lady
now
and
I.
D
Remember
they
alligators
in
there
little
baby
alligators,
because
we
used
to
hunt
them
and
bring
them
to
school
and
put
them
in
the
teachers
top
drawers
or
their
desk
boughs.
They
threw
the
thing
that
was
our
excitement,
that's
what
we
used
to
do
and
you
have
to
meet
a
balance
now
what
I
want
to
know
I,
don't
know
whether
to
ask
you
or
it's
Heather
has
to
explain
if
they
come
in
the
wetlands
at
Wawa.
That
was
changed
to
with
that
board
that
changed
the
environmental
issue
on
the
canal
by
winn-dixie.
D
Is
there
any
way
that
we
can?
Is
there
any
way?
What
is
the
jurisdiction
on
the
length
of
time
on
that
permit
that
any
land
has
in
mitigation
and
they
can
develop
on
it
and
the
city
work
harder
to
save
the
environmental
on
that
piece
of
property,
because
they're
going
to
have
a
right
to
develop
it,
but
we've
got
to
protect
what
we've
got
there.
That
goes
into
the
bayou
that
feeds
everything.
That's
in
there
we've
already
plugged
up
the
hole
too
late,
tarpon,
so
that's
dead.
Now.
What
do
we
do
about
that?
D
D
O
Y
D
A
Y
D
I'm
not
a
developer,
but
we
live
with
development
and
we
need
it.
Every
community
needs
it
so
you're
in
a
delicate
position,
because
you
can't
tie
the
hands
of
the
developer
too
much
because
they
can
come
back.
We
don't
want
to
hurt
good
development.
We
control
our
development,
the
environment,
our
wetlands
are
important
or
kiss
Florida
goodbye.
Thank
you.
Z
Good
evening
my
name
is
Jeff
Larson
I
live
at
1846
Lexington
place.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
this
evening,
as
this
board
is
well
aware
and,
as
has
already
been
brought
up
a
couple
times
this
evening,
sometimes
projects
are
brought
before
the
board
and
sometimes
they're,
not
very
popular
projects,
but
in
reality
the
board
often
has
their
hands
tied
when
looking
at
these
projects
that
the
reality
is
that
changes
to
the
comp
plan
are
what
pardon
my
pun
or
what
paved
the
way
for
some
of
these
projects.
Z
So
I
think
it's
so
important
that
we
pay
attention
to
every
single
word
when
we
make
changes
to
the
comp
plan,
and
so
I
did
have
a
couple
of
concerns
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
One
of
them
is,
if
you
go
to
the
very
back
page
of
the
ordinance
itself.
This
is
on
agenda
item
number
14,
so
the
final
page,
which
is
page
3,
I
I,
do
have
a
concern
or
question
about
the
five
acre
figure
I'm
just
trying
to
get
an
understanding
of
where
that
figure
came
from.
Z
Z
If
you
go
back
to
pages
from
there
page
1
of
the
ordinance
itself,
it
says
it
is
the
intent
through
the
implementation,
through
the
implementing
policies
of
this
comprehensive
plan
to
preserve
areas
identified
as
wetlands
and
it
used
to
say
in
their
entirety
and
that
you
know
that
used
to
be
there
what's
being
removed,
has
a
line
through
it.
So
we
have
in
their
entirety,
with
a
line
through
it
and
I
know
Heather
mentioned
that
we
have
to
take
that
out
because
that's
not
aligned
with
state
law.
Z
But
if
you
read
the
sentence
it
says
in
the
beginning,
it
is
the
intent
through
the
implementing
of
implementing
policies
of
the
comprehensive
plan
to
preserve
the
wetlands.
Is
it
isn't
that
our
intent
I
mean
I?
Think
that's
our
intent,
so
if,
in
fact
it
is
our
intent
I'm,
not
sure
why
we
would
remove
those
three
words
in
their
entirety.
Certainly
that's
our
intent
to
preserve
wetlands
wherever
possible,
I
I,
believe
it
is
and
I
believe
it's
the
board's
intent
so
I
think
that
should
stay
in
there.
Z
Finally,
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
is,
if
you
look
at
the
the
purpose
of
this
amendment,
purpose
number
four
and
Heather
spoke
about
it.
Several
times
is
to
align
our
our
comp
plan
with
state
law
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
to
you
that
the
decision
on
whether
or
not
to
align
our
complain
with
state
law
is
a
policy
decision
for
this
board
to
make
it's
not
a
staff
decision.
That
is
a
policy
decision
of
the
elected
officials.
Z
As
was
mentioned,
there
are
municipalities
that
have
made
the
decision
to
be
stricter
than
state
law,
and
you
know
Heather
mentioned,
could,
could
you
be
more
strict?
Yes,
you
could
and
then
she
said,
can
I
enforce
higher
standards.
She
said
it
might
be
difficult
yeah,
it
might
be
difficult
and,
as
vice
mayor
banther
mentioned,
you
know
we're
dealing
with
a
municipality
that
has
more
coastline
than
any
other
municipality
around.
Z
AA
Good
evening
I'm
laura
salisbury
from
1410
glenn
Dovercourt.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
listen
and
to
make
a
comment.
I
feel
like
I'm
struck
on
how
or
you're
right
we
have
to
look
at
development.
We
have
to
allow
for
development,
but
can
we
not
dream
just
a
tiny
bit
that
these
last
scraps
of
environment
green
space,
they
might
not
be
chock,
filled
with
significant
rare
endangered
species
but
they're
what
we
have
in
town
they're?
AA
That's
not
really
consistent
with
everything
that
I
read
and
see
about
our
towns,
vision
for
a
walkable
livable
inviting
community
for
people
to
drive
through
anything
wow
I
mean
this
is
really
cool.
Instead
of
coming
and
kind
of
looking
and
saying,
oh,
it
looks
really
good
on
the
map
with
all
that
coastline.
AA
But
when
you
drive
through
here,
where
are
we
going
I
think
there
are
many
opportunities
for
us
to
be
proactive?
We
it's
not
all
about
knocking
down
development,
yes,
I'd
love
for
us
to
say,
moratorium
on
development,
let's
not
develop
any
more
thrills,
but
that's
not
gonna
happen.
But
could
we
not
be
dream
a
little
bit
and
be
proactive
and
look
for
places
that
maybe
we
could
protect
like
corner?
That
corner
makes
a
big
difference
when
you
drive
up
to
the
Gateway,
and
that
corner
makes
a
big
difference
for
birds
that
are
coming
through.
AA
And
walk
into
a
green
space
or
just
leave
it
alone,
just
find
a
grant
to
say
that's
a
place
that
adds
to
the
environment
and
it's
worth
saving,
not
because
it's
the
most
pristine,
most
special,
most
outrageous
place,
but
it's
a
place
in
our
town.
That's
still
green
and
still
wet
and
gives
us
a
smidgen,
more
quality
of
life
and
a
smidgen
more
filtration,
a
smidgen,
more
protection
from
flooding,
because
when
I
look
at
the
flood
map
and
see
all
that
red,
well,
I
think
as
well.
AA
A
N
A
A
A
C
Well,
I
think
more
restrictive
can
be
a
whole
host
of
things.
I
think
this
is
where
the
city's
long
term
planning
process,
with
its
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
and
visioning
processes
that
you
may
have
that
you
invite
the
community
in
you
invite
the
development
community
and
you
get
all
the
ideas
on
a
table.
C
They
all
get
distilled
staff
figures
out
what
would
work,
what
wouldn't
work
and
then
those
things
percolate
up
to
you
eventually
to
be
included
in
your
comprehensive
plan
in
your
in
your
land
development
code,
so
sitting
out
there
right
now
there
may
be
everybody
the
people
who
use
the
word
more
restrictive.
Let's
say
there
were
five:
there
might
be
five
ideas
of
what
that
more
restrictive
means
and,
and
so
I
think
tonight
is
not
really
the
venue
to
parse
all
of
that
in
a
generic
sense.
C
That
you're
playing
director
is
correct,
that,
legally
speaking,
the
state
of
Florida's
plan
and
rules
do
not
govern
all
counties
and
cities
within
Florida
that
that's
why
the
law
gives
cities
and
counties
their
own
ability
to
adopt
a
comprehensive
plan
and
land
development
code.
I.
Think,
though,
that
what
your
director
is
indicating
is
that
the
farther
you
drift
away
from
certain
state
standards,
the
developer,
will
have
a
better
legal
argument
that
you're
not
allowed
to
do
that.
You're
not
allowed
to
be
directly
inconsistent
with
with
state
law.
C
If
state
law
is
silent
on
it
or
vague
on
it,
then
certainly
local
government
can
so
I
think
that
if
you
want
to
move
these
things
forward,
but
then
also
direct
your
planning
staff
to
go
back
to
the
community
and
try
to
figure
out
what
it
wants
or
even
have
a
workshop
with
you
all.
If
you
have
ideas
but
but
to
say,
you
know,
make
it
more
restrictive,
it's
the.
How
is
is
gonna,
become
the
difficult
thing
and
it
almost
can
become
property
by
property
species
by
species.
C
You
know
it
really
is
something
that
takes
a
lot
of
thought
and
unfortunately,
the
the
outdated
map
is
really
the
source
of
a
lot
of
this,
because
if
you
had
a
good
up-to-date
map
of
the
whole
city,
that
you
really
knew
what
you
had,
then
you
might
be
able
to
more
easily
come
up
with
restrictions
on
this
part
of
the
city
or
this
particular
parcel
of
land.
But
without
that
it
really
needs
to
be
a
broader
discussion.
Did
that
answer
your
question.
A
A
Y
C
And
you
can
do
things,
maybe
in
between
now
and
second
reading,
by
adding
to
the
language
in
qualified
in
the
judgment
of
the
city,
and
that
way
it
makes
it
very
clear
that
your
director
will
be
making
the
decision.
But
again,
when
you
say
qualified
professional,
sometimes
an
application
is
going
to
require
an
ornithologist
and
sometimes
it's
going
to
require
a
hydrologist.
You
know,
and
some
of
those
people
are
licensed
by
the
state
of
Florida,
and
so
that
certainly
is
a
good
qualification.
If
you
have
your
your
current
license,
some
are
just
academic
credentials.
C
Like
you
know,
I
am
a
PhD
in
whatever
or
you
know,
birds
and
and-
and
so
then
the
director
would
say:
okay
well
I
can
see.
Is
your
a
PhD
and
you've
wrote
five?
You
know
dissertations
about
birds,
I
guess
you
know,
your
opinion
is
okay
and
so
I
think
that
it
would
be
difficult
to
try
to
spell
out
in
the
code
each
and
every
profession
and
each
and
every
discipline
and
what
that
qualification
means.
C
Y
Those
qualifications
can
be
tested
at
the
time
of
hearing.
You
hear
it
all
the
time.
People
will
call
when
I'm
sitting
up
here
and
say
what
are
your?
What
are
your
professional
credentials
and
I
sit
here
and
I?
Read
you
my
resume.
Essentially
that
seemed
that's.
The
same
is
true
for
any
of
the
professionals
cut.
They
come
before
you.
A
A
C
That
would
control
the
state
of
Florida
and
mayor.
That's
a
good
question
and
in
my
experience,
which
I
don't
have
a
I'm,
not
a
primarily
land
use
attorney,
but
I
do
have
some
experience
with
this,
and
the
state
of
Florida
does
not
go
behind
the
applicant
to
verify
the
professional
credentials
of
whomever
is
producing
these
reports.
The
state
of
Florida,
in
my
experience,
simply
takes
the
view.
C
You
know
so
forth
that,
even
if
you
don't
set
a
general
policy
that
staff
has
the
money
to
go
out
on
the
city's
dime
and
hire
somebody
to
check
the
stuff
that,
on
a
one-off,
you
can
make
a
motion
and
to
say
you
know.
This
is
too
important
of
a
project
too
important
of
a
piece
of
land.
We're
concerned
that
the
the
report
given
by
this
developer's
expert
might
not
be
up
to
snuff.
So
we
authorized
the
administration
for
this
particular
project
to
go
out
and
double-check,
and
we,
you
can
certainly
lawfully
do
that.
C
But
I
did
if
I
could,
just
before,
relinquishing
the
floor.
I
wanted
to
touch
base
on
the
the
issue
that
came
up
a
few
times
about
striking
of
of
the
language
and
in
its
entirety
and
and
I,
and
the
director
sort
of
described
it
but
I
think
to
sort
of
analogize
it
having
an
11
year
old.
Is
that
if
you
have
a
policy
that
says
you
shall
not
eat
chocolate
chip
cookies
in
their
entirety?
C
Either
you
can't
eat
chocolate
chip
cookies
period
and,
if
that's
going
to
be
the
policy,
you
don't
talk
about
mitigation,
because
mitigation
by
its
very
nature
means
that
you
are
going
to
allow
wetlands
to
go
away
and
when
you
talk
about
not
losing
wetlands
in
the
city
in
their
in
its
entirety.
Again,
one
of
the
mitigation
opportunities
is
for
mitigation
to
occur
outside
of
the
city.
It's
a
less
desirable
thing.
C
We
want
it
to
occur
first
on-site
and
then
in
the
city
and
then
outside
of
the
city,
but
there
could
be
situations
where
a
particular
application
will
lose
some
wetland,
but
the
the
the
agreed
upon
resolution
to
that
is
outside
of
the
city,
that
there
will
be
mitigation
that
will
mitigate
that
loss
and
so
I
think
that's.
You
know
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
there,
but
that's
what
you're
trying
to
describe
earlier
and
that's
why
that
language
is
coming
out.
That's.
M
B
M
C
But
the
the
text
of
an
ordinance
certainly
can
be
tweaked
between
first
and
second
reading.
That's
part
of
why
you
have
two
readings
is
because
folks
can
come
in
and
say:
look
we've
read
this.
We
like
95%,
we
don't
like
5%
and
what
the
law
will
say
is
that
as
long
as
you
don't
change
the
ordinance
so
much
that
it
really
changes
the
title,
that's
been
advertised
and
and
thus
is
not
fair,
you
can
most
certainly
do
it
and
then
just
when
you
come
back
for
second
reading,
you
just
read
into
the
record.
U
Y
Depends
on
how
far
we
go
if
the
title
changes.
Yes,
the
title
changing
is
going
to
automatically
send
us
back
to.
Basically,
we
come
back
for
a
first
reading
and
we
start
the
process
again.
We
would
notify
the
state
there's
been
some.
You
know,
based
on
the
the
city
attorney
telling
us
how
the
titles
changed
enough.
You
need
to
go
back
out
and
advertise
and
you
aim
for
those
changes
and
we
would
then
communicate
with
the
state.
Y
C
Y
P
E
P
Just
a
couple,
quick
I
do
support
the
finding
qualified
personnel
a
little
bit
further.
Basically,
mayor
asked
I
did
have
a
question
about
the
five
acres
and
I
think
my
understanding,
based
on
our
conversations.
I,
should
probably
let
you
answer
this,
but
it
sounds
like
that
you
had
to
have
a
study
of
the
property
and
that
the
map
doesn't
apply
all
right.
It's.
Y
Based
on
really
when
we
looked
at
the
threshold
on
that
map,
it
was
the
lowest
end
of
the
threshold
unto
that
began.
That's
a
broad-brush
map
and
and
you're
dealing
with
an
issue
where
you're
looking
at
habitat.
If
it's
the
board's
discretion
that
they
want
the
five
acres
to
go
away,
I
can
give
you
language
that
addresses
that,
where
it
would
be,
everybody
who
is
on
that
map
still
gets
to
do
a
study
to
show
us
what
they
have
on
their
property.
Y
Y
Essentially,
what
you
would
do
is
you
would
take
out
contiguous
area,
five
acres
or
larger
of
high
quality,
and
you
would
you
would
replace
it
with
for
the
purpose
of
this
or
this
policy.
Significant
upland
habitat
shall
be
defined
as
and
then
you
leave
the
habitat
language
in
as
there.
So
you
just
be
taking
out
the
words
contiguous
acres
of
five
acre
or
five
acres
or
larger
of
high-quality.
You
can
leave
high-quality
on
or
you
can
take
high-quality
out
it's
again
at
your
discretion,
but
that's
what
the
the
change
would
look
like
in
that
case.
Y
Y
It's
basically
gonna
change
that
threshold
to
there
is
no
threshold,
so
anybody
who's
identified
on
that
map,
regardless
of
your
acreage,
is
doing
a
study.
It
doesn't
matter
whether
you're
five
acres
doesn't
matter
if
you're
two
weekers
of
my
near
for
your
quarter,
acre
if
you're
I
have
those
identified
habitats
that
are
shown
on
in
a
figure
nineteen
you're
doing
the
habitat
study,
I.
P
Think
compromise
from
both
sides,
one
other
question
to
that
kind
of
resounded
to
me
when
we
discussed
about
mitigation
purposes
and
I
think
this
is
an
area
that
we
need
to
look
at
further.
I.
Believe
vice-mayor
brought
this
up
about
areas
of
strengthening
mitigation
within
the
city,
limits
and
I
know.
The
state
sets
the
priorities
of
one
through
three
and
I
know
the
state
has
the
option
or
has
put
the
availability
to
eliminate
invasive
species
that
are
on
current
wetlands
to
help
the
wetlands
become
more
established,
productive.
P
Right
I
believe,
though,
city
code
does
have
a
ban
on
invasive
species
to
being
on
properties
to
begin
with.
So
it's
a
that's
a
hard
one
for
me
to
understand
entirely
because
if
we're
saying
it's
okay
for
someone
to
mitigate
a
wetland
by
removing
an
invasive
species,
maybe
on
a
city
property
or
on
the
other
private
property,
where
it's
private
partnership,
private
partnership.
But
the
code
already
says
that
it's
illegal
to
have
these
invasive
species
and
your
property
already
I,
may
be
getting
into
the
weeds
a
little
too
far.
Y
The
invasive
species
things
comes
up
at
development.
Essentially,
you
need
a
development
order
to
signal
the
requirement
for
those
invasives
to
be
removed
from
the
property.
So
if
you
don't
have
a
development
order,
if
it's
a
vacant
piece
of
property
and
there's
nothing
built
on
it,
there
is
no
development
order.
So
in
that
case,
when
we're
talking
about
a
lot
of
these
properties,
we're
talking
about
undeveloped
properties,
so
there
isn't
necessarily
the
requirement
to
go
out
there
and
clear
out
all
of
those
in
BC's.
Would
it
be
nice
if
everybody
did
that?
Y
Absolutely
if
everybody
could
just
maintain
their
vacant?
Property
would
be
great,
but,
as
you
know
tonight
you
had
a
case
that
even
develop
properties
don't
get
maintained.
So
theoretically,
I
I'm
on
board
with
you,
but
the
language,
that's
in
the
land
of
Alma
code
under
the
tree
and
that's
under
the
tree
ordinance
or
tree
revelat
preservation
and
mitigation
ordinance
is
very
limiting
when
you're
dealing
with
invasive
species,
what
you
can
actually
do
and
it's
generated
and
instruct
in
there
as
part
of
the
development
order
process.
Y
So
you
got
to
have
the
something
on
the
property
to
justify
that
I.
Can't
just
go.
Tell
you,
because
you
have
a
vacant
piece
of
property
to
maintain
your
property.
Remove
the
exotics,
with
the
exception
of
there,
are
some
certain
exotics
at
the
state
level
that
you
can
require
that's
a
different
provision.
That's
not
a
local
provision!.
P
Y
Correct
we
would
be
looking
at
based
on
the
discussion
tonight.
There's
two
provisions
I'd
be
looking
at
changing.
One
is
adjusting
the
language
for
qualified
professional
in
making
it
a
little
bit
more
specific,
not
too
specific,
but
more
specific,
and
then
the
second
piece
would
be
the
section
as
I
read
there,
where
we'll
be
removing
the
words
contiguous
area
of
five
acres
or
larger
of
high
quality
and
then
just
leaving
the
the
balance
of
that
policy.
If
that's
the
board's
pleasure,
we
would
make
those
changes
and
bring
them
back
to
that.
U
Y
A
O
A
M
P
E
T
C
Amending
section,
C,
Board
of
Trustees
amending
section,
D
finances
and
fund
management
amending
section,
o
maximum
pension,
amending
section,
BB,
deferred
retirement,
option
plan,
adding
section
CC
supplemental
benefit
component
for
special
benefits;
chapter
185
share
plan
providing
for
codification
providing
for
severability
of
provisions
repealing
all
ordinances
in
conflict
here
with
and
providing
an
effective
date
ordinance
2018
30
is
legal
advertising.
His
second
reading
will
be
held
on
January
the
8th
2019
and
will
be
published
in
the
Tampa
Bay
Times
on
December
21st
2018.
C
V
You
mayor,
the
revisions
that
were
before
you
in
this
ordinance
are
intend
to
comply
with
recent
changes
to
state
and
federal
law.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
work
with
the
pension
board,
their
attorney
and
our
pension
attorney
up
in
Tallahassee.
To
make
these
changes
happen,
I
will
tell
you
most
of
these.
Changes
are
technical,
but
they
have
no
actual
actuarial
impact
to
the
city
or
to
the
pension
plan,
and
again
it's
essential
that
we
we
get.
These
changes
done,
so
we
are
compliant
with
state
and
federal
law.
V
The
PBA
has
been
kept
the
prize
of
this
situation
throughout,
and
they
have
absolutely
no
objections
to
it.
This
does
not
require
any
kind
of
collective
bargaining
because
it
doesn't
have
any
impact
on
the
bargaining
unit,
so
this
is
the
ordinance
before
you
and
we're
asking
that
you
approve
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
P
B
A
C
Mr.
mayor,
this
is
resolution,
2018
28,
a
resolution
of
the
Board
of
County
Commissioners
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida
ratifying
and
confirming
the
results
of
the
municipal
or
a
frenum
election
held
in
conjunction
with
the
general
election
of
Pinellas
County
on
November,
6,
2018
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Hero.
B
A
C
AB
Thank
you,
Karen
lemons,
economic
development
manager.
We
had
a
discussion
item
at
the
November
13th
meeting
on
this
agenda
topic,
so
I'll
just
give
a
little
bit
of
a
background
on
that.
For
you,
the
program
was
created
by
state
statute,
so
a
lot
of
the
parameters
are
outlined
in
the
statute
essentially
allows
a
city
to
grant
exemptions
on
the
city
portion
only
of
the
taxes
on
the
value
of
eligible
improvements
to
real
intangible
property
for
qualifying
businesses.
AB
AB
The
exemption
can
be
for
a
period
of
up
to
ten
years
and
it
can
be
up
to
a
hundred
percent
of
the
value
of
the
improvements,
and
that
decision
is
made
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners
at
the
time
that
there
is
an
application.
Now
not
every
business
is
eligible
and
again
the
state
statutes
define
which
businesses
are
eligible,
and
it
also
gives
a
minimum
job
creation
requirement.
AB
The
eligible
business
types
are
manufacturing
or
qualified
target
industries,
and
the
qualified
target
industries
include
aviation
defense,
finance
information,
technology,
business
services,
medical
technology
in
life,
science
and
for
those
types
of
businesses
the
minimum
job
creation
is
10
office
is
another
eligible
business.
Any
office
would
have
to
have
a
minimum
of
50
employees,
and
then
businesses
that
have
greater
than
50%
of
their
sales
tax
as
exports
from
out
of
state,
would
have
a
job
requirement
of
25
and
then
the
average
wage
of
those
jobs
must
be
above
the
median
average
wage
of
the
area.
AB
So
those
are
looking
for
high
wage
employers
and
high
wage
jobs.
So
if
this
resolution
tonight
is
is
adopted,
what
would
happen
is
a
the
question
would
be
placed
on
on
the
ballot
for
a
referendum.
If
the
referendum
is
approved,
then
we
would
come
back.
We
would
have
the
ability
to
offer
the
program.
We
first
would
have
to
put
into
place
what
the
parameters
would
be,
and
that
would
be
by
ordinance.
So
then,
an
ordinance
would
come
back
to
you
with
the
parameters
of
the
program.
AB
Again,
that's
two
readings
for
adoption
once
that
is
all
taken
care
of.
If
we
do
have
any
businesses
that
come
into
the
city
or
an
existing
business
that
wants
to
expand,
they
would
have
to
apply,
they
would
have
to
meet
all
the
criteria
and
then
that
application
comes
to
you
to
make
the
decision
on
whether
you
want
to
approve
an
exemption
or
not
approving
exemption
and
for
the
length
of
time
and
the
amount
so
again
having
this
program
gives
us
the
ability
to
at
least
offer.
AB
This
would
help
us
attract
new
businesses
in
the
city,
we're
always
looking
to
diversify
our
tax
base
and
trying
to
get
more
manufacturing
and
more
advanced
and
higher
higher
target
employment
to
the
area,
especially
in
the
North
Vancouver
area
that
we've
been
looking
at,
which
is
essentially
likely
where
any
of
these
types
of
businesses
would
would
would
locate
and
then
also
we're
trying
to
be
competitive.
With
our
surrounding
areas.
AB
Pinellas
County,
Hillsborough,
County,
Largo,
Pinellas,
Park,
st.
Petersburg,
Tampa
I'll,
offer
this
program.
Oldsmar
is
going
through
it
now.
They
just
recently
adopted
the
resolution
to
put
on
the
referendum
for
March.
So
if
we
would
adopt
this
there
be
to
our
municipalities
doing
it
at
the
same
time,
which
could
be
a
benefit
for
us.
So
with
that,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer.
E
P
P
AB
AB
AB
What
with
the
increment
is
so
you'll
know
what
or
you'll
have
an
estimate
at
least
of
what
the
addition
is
like
I
say
like
like
I
said
in
November
I,
don't
really
look
at
it
as
losing
anything
because
you're
still
getting
your
base
and
then,
after
the
period
of
time
you
get.
You
know
the
overall
improvement.
N
B
A
U
This
is
change
that
in
working
with
the
city
clerk
based
on
the
auditor's
recommendation
on
handling
money,
what
I'm
saying
to
you
is
I
think
the
simplest
way
for
us
to
stay
within
what
the
auditor
said:
real,
simple,
ooze.
The
problem
is
you
see
the
department's
below
that
have
people
that
take
money
in
these
positions
forever
have
been
classified
as
temporary,
part-time
positions
based
on
the
auditor
and,
of
course,
the
city
clerk's
responsible
for
collections
and
wants
to
adhere
to
it.
Temporary
employers
are
a
lot
allowed.
U
Should
the
policy
should
be
that
they're
not
allowed
to
take
money,
so
the
simple
thing
to
do
is
to
make
those
employees,
and
some
of
them
are
as
many
as
eight
years.
Employees
which
I
don't
really
consider
them
temporary,
but
that's
the
class
they've
been
in
is
to
make
those
part-time
positions,
not
temporary.
The
only
thing
that
that
does
from
a
monetary
and
really
in
this
case,
a
time
situation
is
the
only
thing
it
does.
Is
they
accrue
vacation
time
now
these
are
eleven
our
employees,
a
lot
of
them
or
some
less.
U
The
vacation
time
is
very
minimal.
If
you
were
to
put
a
cost
estimate
the
vacation
time
for
all
of
these
employees,
it's
just
over
a
thousand
dollars,
but
it's
really
not
a
money
thing:
it's
just
they.
They
will
get
vacation
time
again,
but
this
solves
our
problem.
This
puts
in
compliance
with
the
auditor
and
the
city.
Clerk
has
collections,
can
abide
by
that
and
we
not
have
any
temporary
boy
he's
doing
it.
Maybe
these
plays
are
eight
four
three
year,
employees
and
stuff.
U
U
U
Time
so
that's
in
essence
the
the
cost
of
it
is
them,
but
you'd
argue
so
employee
they
probably
kids.
So
that
would
be,
though,
that
would
be
the
only
difference.
There'd
be
no
other
cost
benefit,
and
if
we
couldn't
do
and
we
had
to
get
full-time
employees
to
come
with,
maybe
one
or
two
it's
gonna
cost
a
money.
It
costs
more.
So
the
city,
clerk
and
I
believe
this
is
the
best
simplest
easiest
way
to
do
it
and.
U
M
Thank
you
I
believe
that
if
you're
classified
as
a
temporary
employer,
employee
I
think
you
can
only
work
up
to
the
thousand
hours
and
then
you'd
have
to
be
moved
into
a
part-time
position.
I
know
out
in
the
in
the
private
sector.
That's
how
it
is
I'm
sure
it's
the
same
way
here
that
so
I
mean
you
know.
This
makes
sense,
definitely
make
that
I.
A
P
P
A
O
A
N
A
L
A
M
A
O
E
E
O
B
O
A
A
L
O
L
N
A
E
L
O
N
P
Kind
of
leaning
towards
Commission
receiver
in
this
situation,
I
just
I,
would
like
to
clarification.
Maybe
the
city
clerk
could
help
me
out
with
this
understanding.
Is
the
budget
Advisory
Board
is
gonna,
be
having
some
vacancies
coming
up
relatively
soon.
Melissa
has
a
finance
degree
which
I
cherish
because.
A
A
A
E
U
You
an
email
today
to
remind
you
about
the
SciTech
we've
created
for
early
agenda
items
to
look
at
I'd,
encourage
you
look
at
a
couple
things
there
on
there
now.
Obviously,
we
have
a
very
short
turnaround
because
we
got
a
meeting
next
week.
We've
got
some
items
already
that
needs
some
attention.
There's
one
other.
That's
coming
that
I
want
to
thank
the
City
Attorney's
Office
for
rushing
on.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
get
donated
to
us
a
piece
of
land.
It's
a
piece
of
land
on
us
19.
U
It
was
part
of
the
original
Walmart
plan
and
it's
an
environmental
piece
that
it
started
in
code
enforcement
because
the
homeless
were
setting
up
habitats
on
it.
The
people
who
had
the
property
took
care
of
the
problem,
but
it's
a
piece
of
land
they've
held
since
Walmart
didn't
happen.
Our
building
director
was
talking
to
him
and
talking
about
some
issues
of
the
piece
of
land
and
made
the
mention
of
them.
U
So
I
can
get
it
to
you,
the
13th,
so
we
can
do
it
and
go
forward
with
this
land
so
as
soon
as
we
get
that
settled
in
the
next
day,
or
so
that
will
go
up
there
instead
on
land.
But
again
we
have
a
time
frame
because
we've
only
got
one
week
before
a
meeting
and
we're
trying
to
get
that
done.
So
I
encourage
you
to
look
at
those
items
since
there's
some
some
items
do
some
reading
on
and
we're
trying
to
get
up
there
with
them
up
as
early
as
possible.
U
For
you
to
see
on
that
site,
and
then
let
me
know,
as
we
go
out
on
the
road
if
this
site
works
I'm
to
get
those
items
too
early,
we're
at
your
convenience
any
time
you
can
go
to
them
and
we're
gonna
try
to
get
the
agenda
items
on
them.
Remember
some
of
them
may
be
in
draft
form,
so
they
may
change
by
the
time.
You
see
him
especially
items
that
you
need
more
time
to
read
and
make
you
study
on
we're.
Gonna
try
to
get
at
least
the
drafts
up
there.
L
L
L
Think
we
need
some
way,
because
what
we're
doing
here
is
not
bad.
We
that's
our
job
to
say
no
go
back
and
do
this,
but
some
way
where
we
can
and
that's
a
little
more
so
they
don't
have
in
the
lady's,
leaving
with
her
I,
don't
know
feedback
in
some
way.
That's
legal
apart
the
meeting
or
something
maybe
maybe
haven't
come
back
more
often.
Maybe
there
may
be
compromise
here,
I
don't
know
or
something
have
more
possibly.
N
M
M
C
Just
want
to
be
careful
when
you
talk
about
that,
but
it
doesn't
turn
into
a
polling
of
the
board,
which
would
be
a
sunshine
issue.
It's
better
I've
always
felt
that
we're
governing
board
members
if
you
have
to
take
their
passion
like
for
that
item.
Certainly
some
members
had
more
of
a
passion
of
what
should
happen
in
others
is
to
you,
go
to
those
advisory
board
meetings
and
tell
them
look.
This
is
your
job
to
come
back
with
recommendation,
but
I'm
just
telling
you
I
am
a
vote.
C
You
need
to
win
and
I,
don't
like
either
of
these
two.
You
know
it's
and
do
it
earlier,
so
that
they
don't
get
here
with
their
final
product,
because
the
vice
mayor
is
kind
of
cracked.
You
know,
I've
been
there,
I've
been
an
advisory
board
member
for
different
places,
I've
lived
and
you
do
kind
of
get
rejected.
If
you
do
all
that
work,
and
then
you
come
forward
names,
quiet
we've.
L
C
Attorney
general
opinions
on
it
have
actually
written
Law
Journal
article
on
it,
but
but
the
what
you're
not
allowed
to
do
is
converse
with
each
other.
But
but
there
are
cases
where,
like
one
attorney
general
opinion
from
early
90s
to
council,
members
wanted
to
go
to
their
Planning
Board
and
and
talk
to
the
Planning
Board
about
something
they
were
considering
because
they
were
passionate
about
it.
C
L
A
N
Thank
you
well,
first,
Friday
is
also
snow
place
like
tarpon
coming
up
on
the
7th,
so
everybody
I'm
sure
is
looking
forward
to
that
and
it's
usually
a
huge
event
for
the
city
and
I
guess
we
have
our
tree
lighting
that
evening
too,
to
start
off
the
event.
So
six
o'clock,
tree
lighting
and
mother
mirrors
parking
lot.
A
A
A
M
Singing
nice
way
to
bring
the
community
together
again
and,
of
course,
the
boat
burrito
is
awesome.
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
shout
out
and
a
thank
you
to
our
golf
berth.
I
held
a
fund-raiser
glow-in-the-dark
golf
tournament
this
past
weekend.
It
was
a
huge
success.
Tarpons
never
done
a
glow-in-the-dark
bore,
so
it
was
the
learning
experience
for
all
of
us
and
Howard
and
his
staff
did
a
phenomenal
job.
M
Everybody
I
had
a
waiting
list
even
to
play
because
he's
limited
me
how
many
players
I
could
have,
but
it
was
for
myself
and
my
committee
and
our
cause
was
a
success
and
I
think
the
golf
course
it
was
also
success
for
them
and
I
know
we're
already
planning
another
one.
So
again
they
did
a
fabulous
job.
They
work
so
well
with
me,
and
you
know,
mark
was
trying
to
put
some
restriction.
T
M
N
And
I
say
something
that
I
want
to.
Thank
you
too,
because
you
know
part
of
your
organization
and
it
was
fun.
It
was
very
successful.
I
couldn't
believe
how
many
people
showed
up
and
yes,
Howard
did
a
great
job
and
it's
a
fun
event
and
I
hope
it
continues
on
an
annual
basis
because
maybe
twice
a
year
might
be
too
much
for
you.
But
ya
know
it
was
a
great
event.
All.
M
The
sponsors
that
helps
that
helps
with
us
because
it
costs
more
to
put
on
a
glow-in-the-dark
because
there's
more
supplies
needed.
You
know
we
I
have
some
great
pictures
of
the
glow
sticks
and
the
flashing
things
that
we
had
to
put
on
the
o-rings
and
blue
sticks
on,
and
it
was,
but
it
was
safe,
Marc
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
safe
out
there
and
we
worth
it.
Thank
you.
A
P
You
probably
don't
hear
enough,
but
thank
you
for
everything
you
do
to
get
us
prepared
and
for
everything
that
all
the
departments
do
to
give
us
the
most
information
to
make
a
decision
in
the
public
forum
so
also.
Secondly,
I
do
want
to
thank
the
board
members
that
left
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
for
their
service.
This
is
a
volunteer
board
and
they
don't
get
paid,
but
they
do
volunteer
their
time.
So
we
really
appreciate
you.
Volunteering
sorry
see
you
leave.
Secondly,
we
want
to
thank
all
the
board
members
of
our
volunteer
staffs.
P
We
do
have
a
lot
of
great
board
members
and
our
advisory
boards
I
know
I
may
have
come
across
passionate
and
I
hope
it
wasn't
disrespectful
in
any
way
to
our
committee
I've,
attended
meetings
with
our
art
committee,
I've
reviewed
the
meeting
agenda
as
I
review
the
minutes.
It's
something
I
tried
to
stay
up
on
and
communicate
with
staff.
P
That
is
the
liaison
on
this
board
of
the
art
board
as
well,
but
I'm
truly
grateful
for
all
more
volunteers
that
are
residents
because
I
know
it's
time
that
they're
giving
up
from
being
with
their
families
or
the
professional
life
to
better
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs.
So
thank
you
all
for
the
service
as
well.
I
don't
have
any
other
comments.
Thank
You
mayor.
A
C
Even
though
this
is
a
weird
statute,
it
says
it
calls
it
a
special
master,
but
it
really
says
this
to
be
treated
like
a
mediation.
You
know,
and
it's
the
intent
is
to
get
the
parties
to
figure
out
if
they
can
work
things
out.
In
speaking
with
your
administration,
your
administration
is
pretty
solid,
that
they
don't
see
that
there
needs
to
be
a
compromise.
The
ordinance
reads
the
way
it
reads
that
you
know
how
to
build
the
sidewalks,
the
Board
of
Adjustment
turning
down.
C
But,
as
you
all
know,
there
are
prominent
folks
in
that
community
and
they're
they're
not
wanting
to
give
up,
and,
and
so
we
either
move
forward
statutory
process
or
the
other
suggestion
is
to
put
this
item
on
a
future
agenda
and
come
back
and
sort
of
have
the
administration,
because
you've
only
really
heard
their
side
of
things
and,
and
there
is
a
whole
other
side
of
things
and
sort
of
make
a
decision
of
what
you
all
feel
so
I
wanted
to
get
a
sense
from
you.
Do
you
care
one
way
or
the
other?
C
Fees
yeah
because
it's
it's
like
getting
ready
for
a
trial
and
and
so
I
would
have
to
get
your
planning
staff
and
and
the
Special
Master
has
subpoena
power,
and
so
he
can
he
or
she
can
subpoena
people
in
the
hearing
may
last
the
day,
maybe
two
days.
So
it's
not
a
huge
cost,
but
it's
a
it's
an
expense.
You
know,
you'd
have
to
lift
a
our
hourly
fees.
There
is
no
winning
or
losing
you
know.
C
So,
for
instance,
if
the
Special
Master
were
to
rule
that
he
feels
or
she
feels
that
the
city
created
an
unreasonable
imposition
upon
the
landowners,
meaning
that
they
quote
unquote
won
that
opinion
we
wouldn't
pay
for
their
lawyer
fees.
It's
it's
a
each
side
bears
their
own
lawyer
fees
kind
of
situation,
but
then
that
would
create
that
that
would
come
back
to
you
all
anyway.
I
mean
I.
Guess
my
point:
is
it's
going
to
come
back
to
you
all
through
either
process?
U
You
want
just
to
be
clear
on
staff's
position.
Staffs
position
is
this
is
blatant,
and
the
round
of
our
charter
charge
specifically
states
that
the
appeal
of
a
Board
of
Adjustment
opinion
is
to
the
court
system.
But
anybody
in
this
circumstance
can
iPad
you
might
as
well
change
your
Charter
and
say
come
to
the
board
this,
because
this
is
what
every
attempt
will
be
they'll
attempt
to
say,
they're
going
to
court
and
then
want
to
settle
it
and
meet
with
y'all
in
in
essence,
you're
deciding
dole
the
rule.
So
my
objection
is
nothing
else.
U
Then
that's
not
what
the
Charter
laid
out
to
do
and
to
happen
and
and
I
believe
it's
a
blatant
end-around
of
the
Charter
and
that's
our
position.
Why
I
told
Tom
Attorney
try
asking
stuff
that
he
needed
to
handle
it
with
you,
because
staff
wasn't
going
to
be
involved
in
this,
because
because
of
that
strong
opinion
and
what
the
Charter
says,
their
appeal
process
to
in
essence,
they're
trying
to
go
around
that
and
appeal
directly
to
you.
So
that's
that
staffs
position.
A
C
What
the
city
manager
is
referring
to
is
that
whenever
a
quasi
judicial
board
enters
an
order,
then
you
all
know
that
within
30
days,
if
the
applicant
loses
and
doesn't
like
that
order,
then
the
applicant
has
the
opportunity
to
file
a
petition
for
writ
of
certiorari
to
the
Circuit
Court
and
appeal
it.
In
this
particular
case,
the
Board
of
Adjustment
rendered
its
decision.
C
The
applicant
chose
not
to
file
a
petition
for
writ
of
certiorari,
which
they
almost
certainly
would
not
have
won,
knowing
what
I
know
of
the
petition
for
writ
of
certiorari,
which
is
probably
why
they
didn't
file
it.
However,
the
legislature
created
this
completely
separate
statute.
Twenty
seventy
point,
fifty
one
of
the
sort
of
statutes,
and
so
their
position
is
and
they're
correct
that.
C
Well,
yes,
we
could
have
appealed,
but
we,
the
legislature,
gave
us
this
completely
separate
process
that
we
can
use
if
a
local
government
has
entered
what's
called
a
development
order
which
includes
a
decision
of
the
Board
of
Adjustment
that
if
we
don't
like
that,
then
we
could
send
a
letter
to
the
mayor
and
say
we
want
to
invoke
this
process.
And
then,
if
that
letter
comes
in
then
the
city
that
works
with
the
other
side
to
a
point,
you
know
pick
who's
going
to
be
the
special
master
and
then
they
go.
C
It
goes
through
this
kind
of
mushy
hearing,
slash
mediation
process
where
the
Special
Master
under
the
statute
is
supposed
to
try
to
get
the
sides
to
come
to
some
resolution.
If
they
can,
then
that
resolution
goes
back
to
the
governing
board
consideration
if
they
can't,
then
the
Special
Master
listens
to
both
sides
and
hears
legal
arguments
and
the
factual
you
know
arguments
and
then
he
or
she
writes
up.
You
know
if
I
were
a
judge.
C
Here's
what
I
would
decide
that
you
know
the
city
was
good
or
the
city
was
bad,
and
then
that
comes
back
to
you
all.
So
the
Special
Master
can't
order
the
city
to
do
anything.
It's
more
of
it's
gonna,
come
back
to
you,
one
way
or
the
other.
So
do
you
want
to
go
through
that
process?
First,
or
do
you
just
want
to
hear
both
sides
out
in
an
upcoming
meeting.
N
N
C
Issue
there
is
that
the
Board
of
Adjustment
took
its
vote
in
August,
and
the
mayor
didn't
get
his
until
November,
13th,
I,
think,
and
so
when.
When
we
looked
at
that,
we
said
well,
the
statute
says
you
got
to
send
it
in
within
30
days.
Their
position
is
well
yeah.
The
board
voted
back
in
August,
but
because
it
took
its
sweet
time
coming
up
with
a
written
order
and
getting
the
Chairman
to
sign
there
it
in
order
that
we
did
get
our
letter
in
within
30
days.
N
C
N
C
Certainly
I
can
make
an
argument.
They
can
make
an
argument.
My
concern
there
is,
if
we
fight
that
fight
we
go
to,
they
would
have
to
in
that
setting
they
would
file.
What's
called
a
petition
for
writ
of
mandamus,
which
means
mandate
the
city
to
do
something.
The
law
tells
the
city
to
do,
and
so
then
we
would
come
in
and
say
well.
The
law
doesn't
tell
us
to
do
that
because
you're
too
late,
you
know,
and
so
then
maybe
the
circuit
judge
agrees
with
us.
Maybe
the
circuit
judge
agrees
with
them.
C
They've
got
good
argument.
They've
got
good
authority,
so
they
may
well
win
so
now,
we've
paid
attorney
fees
to
fight
that
fight
and
if
we
lose
that
fight
now,
we're
just
gonna
have
to
do
the
Special
Master
process
anyway.
So
you
know
my
recommendation
is
not
to
fight
that
right,
but
but
I
think
they're
open
to
putting
that
Special
Master
process
aside,
if
you
all,
are
interested
in
hearing
from
both
parties
just.
U
When
I'd
recommended
mr.
trials
was
that
this
discussion,
right
now
in
this
island,
be
put
on
the
December
11
meeting
to
discuss
what
you
wanted
to
do
that
that's
what
I'd
recommend
him
instead
of
and
the
after
comment
things
though
I
mean
this
may
be
saying,
you
need
to
think
about
and
talk
with
them
beforehand
and
put
the
actual
item
on
the
13th
decide
what
you
want
to
do
and.
C
L
And
I
appreciate
I
get
I,
get
I,
give
mark
the
mark
barber
a
lot
and
then
I
appreciate
staffs,
firm
position.
That
should
be
your
position
if
our
Charter
says
acts
as
staff,
that's
how
you
should
before
that's.
Why
we're
here
to
make
a
great
decision
right
and
we-
this
has
only
happened
once
in
like
six
years
far
as
I
know
so,
I'm
not
worried
about
it
being
a
precedent.
I
think
you
got
to
choose
your
Hill
to
die
on.
L
L
When
I
went
one
of
the
reasons
why
Jays
not
here
tonight,
it
was
because
that
was
the
last
straw
on
the
camel's
back
for
me
when
we
had
the
issue
with
it
with
that
member
who
you
know
two
discussions
with
two
attorneys
that
I'm
at
that
firm
and
our
firm
about
his
situation.
We
weren't
made
known
of
that
and
now
we're
here.
That's
just
my
opinion,
but
so
with
all
that
in
mind,
I'm
not
opposed
to
hearing
both
sides
and
then
deciding
do
we
want
it
to
go
to
court
and
fight
it
out.
B
M
O
C
No,
the
two
choices
are,
you
all,
send
us
and
say:
go
talk
to
the
Special
Master
and
let
the
Special
Master
come
up
with
a
written
order
about
who's
right
and
who's
wrong.
And
then
that
will
come
back
to
you
or
you
can
say,
set
this
for
an
upcoming
Commission
meeting
and
we
want
to
hear
from
staff
and
we
want
to
hear
from
the
losing
applicant
and
then
we'll
figure
out
who
win.
L
C
C
Again,
they
would
have
to
agree
to
forego
the
Special
Master
process
to
just
come
in
and
present
before
you,
but
but
but
if
they
didn't,
if
they
said
no,
we
just
want
to
go
to
that.
Special
Master,
which
they're
gonna
pay
attorney
fees
to
so
I
would
imagine
that
they,
you
know
if
that
was
an
opportunity,
they
might
want
to
say.
C
Okay,
we'll
hold
off
on
that
till
we
see
what
the
Commission
says,
but
if
they
let's
just
game
it
out,
if
you
go
the
route
of
saying
just
both
of
you
come
back
next
meeting
or
the
following
an
upcoming
meeting
and
make
presentations
to
us
and
then
we'll
figure
it
out,
then
the
the
Commission
says.
Well,
we
just
want
to
we're
not
going
to
upset
the
a
Board
of
Adjustment
ruled
away.
It
ruled
and
we're
not
going
to
we're
going
to
uphold
the
city's
insistence
that
you
build
these
sidewalks
in
front
of
these
eight
houses.
P
C
L
U
No,
no
I'm
not
opposed
that
either
they
wanted
staff,
they
wanted
staff
and
I'm
sure
you've
heard
from
some
of
them
behind
the
scenes,
mark
negotiate
and
do
it
and
my
position
is:
staff
is
not
in
position
to
negotiate
this
they.
This
would
be
sudden
time
traps
would
bring
to
the
Commission
decide.
Are
you
gonna
hear
it
like
that
which
it's
your
decision?
U
U
Well,
staff
is
not
gonna
negotiate
to
bypass
the
condition
of
the
book
that
that's
your
purview
and
and
all
I
said
was
need
to
be
sent
to
you
decide
what
you
do,
but
I
can't
I'm
just
saying
other
people
who
see
this
and
say
why
go
through
this
we'll
go
through
this.
We
won't
file
in
30
days
because
we're
probably
gonna
lose
we'll
just
wait
and
you
all
be
here
in
all
those
cases.
That's
why
I
don't
want
to
set
up.