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A
A
B
I
now
call
to
order
the
work
session
of
the
board
of
commissions
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
on
tuesday
june
1st
2021
at
6
30
p.m.
We
received
a
memo
from
vice
mayor
carr,
stating
that
he
would
not
be
able
to
attend
in
this
work
session
today
due
to
the
illness
and
he's
asking
the
big
excuse.
So
I
need
a
motion
motion
excuse,
thank
you
and
wrong
call
please.
B
B
Yes,
thank
you.
I'd
like
to
remind
to
everyone
that
the
workstations
are
primarily
designed
for
information
gathering
and
guidance.
No
formal
commission
decision
approving
or
disapproving
on
the
item
maybe
might
be
made.
Only
staff
members
should
be
included
into
the
work
session
discussion
unless
prior
arrangements
have
been
made
through
the
city
manager,
city
clerk
or
the
seat
attorney.
B
E
Good
evening
mayor
commissioners,
kevin
powell
building
development
director,
what
I
really
want
to
kind
of
go
into
is
chapter
one
of
the
florida
building
code
allows
for
local
adopted
amendments.
Basically,
we
want
to
look
at
some
of
the
items
that
we
can
exempt
from
permitting
that
really
are
kind
of
cloudy
in
the
florida
building
code.
So
we
want
to
go
ahead
and
make
it
clear,
because
I
hear
a
lot
of
things
out
there,
things
that
are
exempted,
but
nothing
is
written
down.
E
So
I
want
you
know
something
memorialized
as
to
what
we
do
exempt
here
within
the
city.
So
really,
what
I
want
to
do
is
the
the
one
page
sheet
that
just
talks
about
permit
exemptions,
there's
going
to
be
13
items
on
there
and
it
mainly
deals
with
residential
exemptions
to
a
building
permit
one
of
the
items.
The
number
one
item
here
is
residential
non-engineered
detached
accessory
structure.
So
there's
going
to
be
storage,
sheds,
playhouses
fire
pits,
sun
shades,
similar
items
like
that,
you
know
and
we
can
have
a
a
maximum
amount.
E
You
know
I
I
threw
a
number
in
there
of
80
square
feet.
We
can
go
80
square
feet,
we
can
go
100
square
feet.
It's
really.
You
know
what
the
board
feels
within
the
community.
What
you
know
what
they
see
out
there
sheds
eight
by
ten,
seem
to
be
a
pretty
common
size,
eight
by
twelve
somewhere
around
there.
So
I
just
threw
a
number
down
of
of
eighty
square
feet
going
on
item
number
two.
This
is
something
I've
heard
about.
E
Since
I've
been
here,
it's
a
residential
roof
repair
less
than
one
square,
so
you
know
people
say
well.
I
don't
need
a
permit
because
I'm
only
doing
one
square
of
roofing,
it's
written
down.
Nowhere!
I
don't.
I
don't
mind
it,
but
I
would
rather
have
it
written
somewhere
that
says:
yes,
you
can
do
a
roof
repair
on
a
residential
structure
of
your
own,
your
own
home,
and
you
know
if
it's
less
than
one
square
per
year.
E
Other
words
we
don't
want
to
do
one
square
this
week,
one
square
next
week,
one
square
the
next
week
and
then
you
know
two
months:
we've
got
a
whole
brand
new
roof.
So
it's
what
we're
saying
annually
on
that.
Then
we
go
on
to
residential
landscape.
Retaining
walls
not
exceeding
18
inches
in
height,
we
get
a
lot
of
people
that
want
to
go
ahead
and
put
out
the
landscape,
timbers
and
kind
of
level
their
properties
up
a
little
bit.
E
E
E
This
is
allowing
somebody
to
to
put
a
concrete
walkway
or
a
concrete
pad
in
their
yard,
so
they
can
put
a
patio
area
sit
on
it,
put
a
grill
on
it
or
something
like
that
and
not
require
a
permit
there
again,
there's
nothing
in
the
building
code
that
addresses
that.
But
when
somebody
does
it,
we
usually
get
the
phone
call
and
kind
of
force
somebody
into
getting
a
permit
for
something.
That's
really
not
a
permittable
item.
So
there
again
80
square
feet
is
just
a
number.
E
I
I
threw
in
there
residential
paver
patios
kind
of
the
same
concept.
We
should
be
allowing
people
to
do
the
decorative
pavers
around
there
around
their
home
walkways
from
their
their
driveway
up
to
their
door,
throw
another
number
in
there
of
80
square
feet.
We
can
go
larger
than
that
that
that's
not
a
problem.
E
Residential
flagpoles,
not
exceeding
25
feet
in
height,
sounds
a
little
odd,
but
I
get
numerous
phone
calls
from
somebody
that
put
a
flag
pole
in
their
yard,
neighbor
called
on
them.
There's
there's
not
a
reason
to
permit
those
they're
they're,
not
an
engineered
product,
a
lot
of
times
they
you
know
they
come
with
the
you
know
the
instructions
of
how
deep
to
put
it
into
a
sand
bed
in
the
ground
with
the
with
a
sleeve.
So
you
can
remove
the
pole.
25
feet
in
height
is
a
maximum
allowed
by
the
zoning
code.
E
So
that's
why
we
went
with
25
feet
in
height
there,
and
that
would
be
a
single
flagpole.
So
we
don't
have
three
four
five.
You
know
25
foot
flagpoles
across
the
yard.
Unless
the
commission
sees
something
different
than
that
item
number,
seven
is
residential,
stucco
repair,
they're,
again
throwing
a
number
of
80
square
feet.
E
As
time
goes
on
houses
settle,
you
start
getting
cracking
in
your
stucco.
We
should
allow
the
residents
to
go
ahead
and
do
stucco
repair
on
their
homes.
So
we
have
an
80
square
foot
or
100
square
foot
section
of
stucco.
They
can
repair
anything
greater
than
that,
of
course,
and
gets
into
a
permitable
item
because
you're,
you
know
you're
removing
excessive
amount
of
stucco
off
of
a
house.
E
Item
number
eight
is
residential
prefabricated
swimming
pools
and
they're
accessory
to
r3,
which
is
a
residential
dwelling.
E
They
are
less
than
24
inches
deep
and
do
not
exceed
1
000
gallons,
and
they
must
be
installed
entirely
above
the
ground.
What
that
is,
is
your
blow
up
type
of
swimming
pools
you
would
buy
from
walmart
cord
and
plug
on
the
pump
stock
tank
swimming
pools
are
all
you
know,
kind
of
the
big
thing
right
now.
Those
are
about
750
gallons.
E
E
Item
number
10
is
residential
swings
and
other
playground
equipment.
This
is
only
on
residential
commercial
that,
yes,
they
do
need
a
permit
residentially.
No,
you
do
not
need
a
permit,
so
we
want
to
go
ahead
and
clarify
that.
So,
if
somebody
wants
to
put
a
a
a
swing,
sweat
a
playhouse
type
of
thing-
that
that's
a
non-permittable
item.
E
Electrical
repairs
and
maintenance
minor
work,
you
know
if
they
want
to
change
out
their
receptacles,
they
want
to
change
lighting
on
the
front
porch.
They
want
to
change
ceiling
fans.
You
should
allow
a
contractor
should
be
able
to
go
in
and
do
that
and
not
have
to
come
down
and
get
a
permit
for
at
you
know,
changing
their
ceiling
fan
or
changing
their
receptacles
within
their
home
and
then
the
last
item
is
going
to
be
radio
and
television
transmitting
stations.
E
The
only
thing
we
get
on
on
the
the
towers
are
an
engineer
letter
when
they
put
the
additional
cell
pieces
on
the
tower.
We
get
a
a
letter
from
from
the
engineer
on
that.
However,
if
we're
bringing
electrical
into
it,
we
will
look
at
those
connections,
so
we're
only
talking
a
tower
and
adding
new
cell
sites
on
it.
That
type
of
thing
we're
not
going
to
climb
towers,
that's
what
they
have
the
engineers
for,
so
we're.
E
Looking
at
exempting
that
now
out
of
all
these
items,
you
also
have
the
subject
to
zoning
and
and
flood
requirements.
The
zoning
requirement
would
be
set
back
to
the
property
line.
E
So
if
you
get
one
of
these
small
sheds,
you're
going
to
have
to
keep
it
back
off
off
the
property
line
for
the
setbacks,
and
that
would
be
a
phone
call
to
planning
and
zoning
to
know
what
the
requirements
are
and
if
you're
in
a
special
flood
hazard
area,
there
may
be
some
requirements
required
for
the
flooding
for
the
flood
requirements
that
we
would
just
give
them.
The
information
on
those
are
the
items
I'm
looking
at
for
permit
exemptions
that
would
go
into
chapter
one
of
the
florida
building
code.
E
We
would
go
ahead
and
do
an
ordinance.
We
would
send
that
off
to
the
florida
building.
Commission
and
those
would
be
our
exemptions
here
in
tarpon
springs
with
that
any
questions.
Yes,
sir.
B
E
No
sir,
I
I
just
want
to
go
ahead
and
avoid
those
areas
of
of
the
proposed
changes
from
the
building
official
association
and
just
stick
with
our
permit
exemptions
here.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
stay
away
from
those,
because
no,
we
don't
have
a
board
of
appeals.
That's
another
board
that
we
would
have
to
bring
on
so
those
chapter,
1
amendments
that
were
presented
to
us
from
the
florida
building
official
association.
E
The
only
thing
that
I
want
to
do
is
the
permit
exemptions,
and
everything
else
is
either
addressed
in
our
ordinance
by
the
building
code
that
we've
adopted
the
property
maintenance
code
that
we
adopted.
So
we
have
that
within
ordinance.
So
to
me,
it's
just
easier
to
avoid
those
areas
and
just
stick
strictly
to
the
one
section
with
permit
exemptions.
B
Thank
you.
In
regards
to
the
permit
exceptions,
I
agree
that
we
should
have
something
like
that
on
the
record.
Explain
exactly
what
things
they're
not
required
to
have
permits
a
couple
questions
that
I'd
like
to
ask.
You
is
on
the
item
number
one,
which
is
the
the
story
sheds
like
they
buy
from
walmart
or
any
other
place
like
that.
B
B
Squares,
I
wonder
if
he
has
any
any
any
reason
for
that.
B
B
B
The
question
that
I
have
is:
we
do
have
a
residence
that
like
to
have
a
second
poll,
one
for
the
american
flag,
another
the
second
one
for
the
branches
service
that
they
actually
serve.
Are
they
allowed
to
have
a
second
one
and
if
they
do,
they
need
to
get
a
permit
or
what.
E
E
Yes,
all
of
our
cell
towers,
we
have
here
everything,
that's
going
on
them,
obviously
will
meet
fcc
requirements,
and
that
is
part
of
the
provision.
Is
they
have
engineering
that
that
provides
us,
the
information
as
to
what
was
done,
how
they
were
erected
and
and
what
they've
put
on
it.
F
Kevin
I
appreciate
you,
streamlining
are
not
streamlining
but
initiating
this
process.
This
is
something
that
you
have
been
working
on
for
a
while
and,
I
think
have
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
most
of
us
on
it.
I
think
any
time
we
can
streamline
some
of
our
requirements,
whether
it's
permitting
or
from
a
historic
preservation,
voice
board
standpoint
on
approved
products
versus
having
to
have
another
layer
of
approval,
that's
a
good
thing
for
residents
and
contractors
alike.
F
The
only
thing
I
agree
with
everything
that
you've
presented
and-
and
I
could
go
with
the
mayor
on
the
100
square-
feet
some
items
more
than
others.
I
think
that
that
is
probably
more
pertinent
for
one
being
a
stucco
repair.
Sometimes
you
know
stucco
repairs
go
a
while
before
they're
repaired
and
you
end
up
taking
some
stucco
off
and
it
ends
up
being
more
than
80
square
feet.
F
You
know
the
one
thing
that
I
don't
see,
and
I
know
that
have
at
one
point
in
time:
in
florida
building
code,
there
was
some
details
on
that
as
windows
in
terms
of
like
replacing
a
window.
So
I
I
want
to
say
I
heard
something
about
it.
You
could
replace
one
window
a
year
or
you
know
sometimes
windows
get
broken.
So
do
you
have
anything.
E
That's
that
that's
back
to
these
I've
heard
about
right.
I've
heard
about
right,
so,
yes,
you
should
be
able
to
do
a
window
repair
if
it's
one
window
a
year.
I
I
don't
have
issue
with
that.
Okay,
you
know
it's
just
whatever
the
consensus
of
the
board
is
but
you're
right,
one
one
window-
I
don't
know
if
I
would
really
get
into
the
doors
just
because
of
hurricane
ratings
on
those,
but
a
lot
of
times.
You're
right,
you'll
get
a
broken
window
and
it's
just
easier
to
replace
that
one
window.
F
So
that
would
be
something
that
I
would
you
know
recommend
to
the
board
is
that
we
add
one
window
a
year
and
then
just
you
know
make
it
with
the
caveat
that
it
has
to
be.
You
know
to
whatever
specs
or
standards
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
Today's
building
code,
whether
it's
an
impact
window
or
double
pane
window.
F
F
That's
something
that
I
would
definitely
like
to
add
and
then
on
number
three
with
the
18
inches.
I
would
just
suggest
that
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
I
think
that
that's
a
good
thing.
I
would
just
say
that
we
try
and
make
it
concurrent
with
whatever
the
insurance
threshold
is.
So
you
know,
I
think,
an
insurance.
If,
if
you
have
a
a
step
or
a
retaining
wall
or
something
that's
higher
than
20
inches,
then
you
might
need
a
railing
or
you
might
need
a.
E
Yeah,
it's
once
you
get
over
30
inches.
E
E
F
E
G
F
Maybe
we
would
go
just
a
little
bit
higher
than
the
18
inches
to
allow
for
that
additional
cap
that
goes
on
top
of
the
block
20.
F
20
22,
whatever
I
mean
I,
you
know
I'm
not
a
licensed
contractor,
but
I
would
just
say
that
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
account
for
that
cap
being
that
in
a
lot
of
cases,
I
see
them
on
the
retaining
walls.
So,
whatever
you
suggest,
you
know.
E
Okay,
I'll
look
at
I'll
look
at
what
it
comes
out
to
with
the
cap
block
on
them.
If
it's
18,
20
22
whatever
it
is,
we'll
go
with
up
to
the
top
of
the
cap
block.
F
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
okay
and
then
on
number
nine
you
have
at
the
end
in
similar
finish,
work
to
me
that
just
goes
back
to
what
we're
trying
to
avoid
right.
What
is
similar
finish
work,
so
you
know
whatever
we
can
do
to
make
it.
I
mean
we're
trying
to
make
millwork
detailed
now.
So
I
just.
G
C
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you,
mr
powell,
for
being
here
and
suggesting
these
changes.
I'm
not
too
particular
about
permitted
exemptions,
but
as
flexible
as
we
can
be
for
our
residents.
I'm
happy
to
do
it.
So
I
think
I
got
what
we've
suggested
here
so
far,
and
I
support
what
you
have
as
well
as
increasing
all
the
80
square:
foot,
exemptions
to
100
square
feet,
allowances
for
an
additional
second
flagpole,
adding
the
one
window
per
year,
allowing
a
higher
retaining
wall
and
clarifying
the
language
online.
A
Thanks
mayor,
let
me
just
run
through
a
couple
of
these
things,
mr
powell,
on
the
on
the
adjustment
that
the
mayor
had
discussed.
I've
taken
a
couple
of
clients
through
the
building
board
of
adjustment,
appeals
to
the
county
and
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
that
end.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
when
I
was
building
director,
that's
that
was
our
appeal
process.
A
And
so
I
think
that
would
if
it
still
exists,
which
I
would
suspect
it
does.
I
think
that's
important
for
the
commission
to
know
that
that
is
the
appeal
process
for
the
citizens
through
pcclb
right.
So
I
don't
think
we
need
to
worry
about
that
one
and
that's
also
a
little
known
fact
that
I've
had
questions
from
residents
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
I've
told
them
that's
an
option
as
well.
Most
of
the
time,
they've
worked
it
out
with
the
city's
building
department,
but
but
that
option
does
exist.
A
Also,
there
is
some
provisions
in
the
building
code
right
now
that
allow
some
construction
to
occur,
and
I
think
it's
a
valuation
threshold,
in
other
words,
exemptions
that
are
clear
that
are
in
the
building
code.
What
what
would
that
number
be?
I
think
it
was
a
thousand
dollars
a
thousand
dollars.
So
basically,
what
we're
talking
about
is
anything
that
would
be
that
thousand
dollars
repairs.
That
sort
of
thing
would
be
outside
of
that
or
how?
How
would
that.
E
A
E
Right
and
I
and
and
I
get
where
you're
coming
from
on
that
it's
just
a
lot
of
times-
we'll
get
the
phone
call
about
it
and
it's
a
lot
easier
to
say
that's
exempted,
because
now
I've
got
to
go.
Was
that
a
thousand
dollars
worth
well
a
thousand
dollars
of
of
repair
work
or
contracting
work
really
isn't
a
lot
of
money
when
you,
when
you're,
looking
at
the
cost
of
everything
today.
So
to
me,
it's
a
lot
easier
to
just
say:
no,
we've
exempted
that
well.
A
E
Yeah,
you
still
have
that
option.
These
seem
to
be
kind
of
the
big
sticking
points
that
we
get
questions
a
lot
on.
So
that's
why
I
went
ahead
and
put
these
in
there
because
sheds
the
the
the
re-roof
or
the
roof
repair,
the
the
patio
walkway
things.
Those
are
always
questions
that
are
always
coming
up
and
if
we
have
a
square
footage
and
say
well,
if
you
do
less
than
100
square
feet,
you
know
we
just
had
one
the
other
day.
E
E
A
E
E
E
No
different
than
when
we
have
an
owner
builder
doing
their
roof,
and
I
have
a
citizen
call
me
and
say
I
know
they're
not
allowed
to
do
that
by
law.
No,
they
are
they're
an
owner
builder,
permit
they
can
do
it
right.
So
it's
just
easier
if
it's
physically
written
and
we
can
show
people
that
that
will
end
it.
A
Want
to
be
careful
that
we
don't
wind
up
kind
of
creating
an
issue
for
ourselves
as
well.
It
says
this
one
place
and
it
says
something
else
in
another
place
and-
and
I'm
not
talking
about
you
you're
going
to
be
creating
the
ordinance,
but
several
years
from
now,
maybe
after
you
know,
you're
out
fishing
somewhere.
Okay,.
E
I'll
I'll
look
at
that
exemption
in
the
code
and
then
I'll
address
it
within
this.
A
The
and
then
I
think
I
don't
know
was
your
commissioner
tear
panty
are
these
based
on
one
year
times
between
repairs.
You
said
one
window
per
year.
E
E
A
The
other
thing,
too,
you
and
I
discussed
about
administrative
variances,
and
this
gets
into
the
these-
these
numbers
that
we're
talking
about
100
square
feet
and
things
like
that.
I
know
these
are
black
and
white
numbers
and
I
think,
there's
been
a
little
suggestion
here.
You
know
8
by
10
sheds
10
by
10
10
by
12,
that
sort
of
thing-
and
you
may
have
to
come
back
at
some
point
to
us
or
something
like
that.
But
I
and
I
think
you
and
I
talked
about
you.
A
I'd
like
for
there
to
be
some
consideration.
At
least
I'm
offering
this
or
suggesting
it
to
the
to
my
colleagues
here,
the
commissioners
of
of
allowing
you
to
have
some
administrative
flexibility,
some
variance
ability,
for
example,
if
it's
a
hundred
square
foot
shed
and
the
guy
comes
in
and
says,
look
I've
got
110
square
foot
shed
for
whatever
reason,
and
can
I
have
this
exemption
and
okay?
Well,
you
know
I've
already
bought
it.
That
sort
of
thing.
A
I
would
rather
leave
that
up
to
you
and-
and
I
suspect
it
wouldn't
be
any
issue,
but
if
it's
an
ordinance,
it's
an
ordinance.
If
it's
100
square
feet,
it's
100
square
feet,
but
if
the
ordinance
says
that
we
would
allow
the
building
director
some
percentage
of
exercises
judgment
for
a
variance
to
these
dimensions,
I
think
that's
perfectly
fine.
A
On
the
on
this
on
the
storm
water,
I'm
sorry
on
the
on
the
retaining
wall,
the
landscape,
retaining
wall.
A
I
was
going
to
ask
you:
how
do
these
exemptions
get
worked
into
the
building
code?
I
know
the
building
code
is
highly
structured.
There's
definitions
on
everything
and-
and
let's
say
we
introduce
an
exemption
on
this
thing.
We
say
a
retaining
landscape
retaining
wall.
There
isn't
a
definition
for
that
anywhere
in
the
building
code
and
a
guy
comes
in
and
says
well,
this
is
a
landscape
retraining
wall.
You
know,
commissioner
terrapani
had
one
way
of
looking
at
it.
I've
got
another
way
of
looking
at
it.
A
E
Okay,
we
can,
we
can
provide
definitions
once
we
come
up
with
what
we
want
it
gets
adopted
by
the
city,
and
then
it
goes
to
the
florida
building
commission
and
then
the
florida
building
commission
recognizes
what
we
put
forward.
So,
if
we're
looking
at
landscape
retaining
walls,
maybe
we
do
something
non-structural.
A
That
would
be
fine.
Here's
here's
I've
been
around
too
much
and,
as
I
said,
I've
been
in
your
shoes,
city,
engineer,
shoes
and
sometimes
retaining
walls
are
retaining
walls
or
retaining
wall.
I
could
see
that
there's
some
historically
storm
water
flowing
across
a
person's
yard.
He
doesn't
want
it
anymore.
A
A
Those
are
the
sort
of
things
I
want
to
be
smarter
than
just
simply
stating
the
way
you're
describing
it,
and
I'm
not
sure
how
we're
going
to
do
that,
but
maybe
with
setbacks,
nothing
less
than
10
feet
away
from
the
property
line,
but
then
again
that
that
kind
of
defeats,
the
purpose
of
a
retaining
wall
for
flower
beds-
and
things
like
that.
So
I
think
that
some
of
these
we're
going
to
have
to
give
a
little
more
thought
to
it
just
to
try
and
avoid
we're
not
going
to
avoid
everything
I
mean.
A
There's
some
pretty
wily
people
out
there
if
they
want
to
do
something
they're
going
to
do
it,
but
I'd
like
to
try
and-
and
it's
not
so
much
whether
if
if
what
they're
doing
is
fine
and
that's
the
they're
doing
it
under
the
exemption,
that's
fine
as
long
as
it
doesn't
harm
a
neighbor,
that's
the
key!
That's
the
key
to
everything,
and
then
and-
and
that
would
be
the
the
issue
on
that
one
on
the
flagpole.
A
I
think
the
flagpole
is
good.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
two
poles
that
we're
talking
about.
I
just
would
like
to
make
it
clear
that
we
don't
wind
up
allowing
flagpoles.
You
know,
there's
going
to
be
the
lighting
some
people
may
want.
Some
lights
are
attached
to
the
flagpole
in
some
way
or
another,
either
for
the
purpose
of
the
national
instant
flying
it
24
7.,
some
person
may
decide
he
wants
to
put
a
backyard
wi-fi
camera
on
his
25-foot
high
pole
and
and
it's
basically
into
the
neighbor's
yard.
A
Now
we've
got
another
neighbor
issue
with
some
guy's
got
a
camera
up
on.
My
pole
looks
right
back
into
my
backyard.
In
my
swimming
pool
and
I've
got
a
six
foot
high
fence
and
that
sort
of
thing
I
think
that
we
need
to
kind
of
again
think
things
through
a
little
bit
more
than
just
stating
these
the
way
they
are.
D
D
A
Then
the
other,
the
other
thing
on
the
flag,
poles,
the
25
feet.
I
did
you
come
up
with
that.
E
No,
that
was,
I
got
that
from
renee.
She
says:
that's
the
the
height
of
the
flagpole.
A
That's
a
typical
residential
for
two-story
structure,.
A
A
I
think
that
was
it.
Let
me
just
make
sure
okay,
what
what
would
be
the
game
plan
you
get
the
feedback
from
us
and
then
city
manager.
Of
course,
we
come
back
to
an
agenda
item
at
a
commission
meeting
with
a
draft
ordinance.
A
B
Thank
you.
Do
you
have
any
addition,
information
that
you
want
to
provide
on
that.
E
No,
I've
got
a
direction
on
this,
we're
looking
at
going
from
80
square
feet
to
100
square
feet,
we're
going
to
look
at
the
retaining
wall
to
the
top
of
the
cap
block
18,
whatever
that
comes
out
1820
whatever
may
come
out,
also
rewarding
with
non-structural,
not
diverting
the
water
to
adjacent
properties,
flagpole
the
concern
about
lighting
or
camera,
or
something
on
top
of
that.
So
maybe
we
do
something
where
you
know
they're
not
able
to
mount
their
cameras
on
there.
E
Stucco
we
went
annually
and
then
the
one
window
per
year
like
for
like
look
at
the
florida
building
code
for
the
dollar
amount,
that's
in
there
and
what's
exempted
there
and
then
the
discretion
of
the
building
official.
If
something
goes
over
over
the
size,
yeah.
B
Okay-
and
you
did
say
that
mr
liquorice
did
say
that
the
code
says
only
one
poll
is
allowed.
C
Yeah
the
one
comment
I
would
make
on
that:
I'm
happy
to
see
it
in
an
ordinance
form
and
I
guess
discuss
it
at
an
actual
city
meeting.
I
would
just
be
cautious
of
the
building
official
discretion,
not
because
I
don't
trust
you
to
make
the
right
choice.
It's
just
the
first
time
you
don't
give
somebody
that
discretion
they're
going
to
be
at
city
hall
at
the
next
meeting
and
they're
going
to
say
you
guys
are
playing
favorites.
C
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
I
think
that
I
mean
it's
not
just
these
exemptions
but
he's
faced.
I
mean
we're
all
faced
with
these
challenges
of
somebody
coming
in
with
a
real,
honest
mistake,
and
it's
it's
just
ridiculous.
It's
going
to
hold
up
construction
if
they
go
through
a
regular
board
of
adjustment
and
appeals,
but
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
just
if
you
could.
F
All
right,
okay,
the
I
think
some
language
already
exists
in
the
planning
department.
As
a
like
you
mentioned,
as
a
percentage,
I
forget
what
it
was
for.
I
ran
into
it
recently.
It
might
be
for
setbacks
like
if
it's
less
than
two
percent
or
something
like
that,
then
the
planning
department
or
the
planning
director
can
make
that
in-house
call.
So
you
might
look.
F
E
B
Okay,
okay,
mr
liquid,
before
we
go
to
the
item
number
two,
anything
that
you
want
to
add:
no
okay,
mr
pile
we're
ready
for
the
number
two,
which
is
the
feed
stage.
Okay,.
E
E
E
E
E
We
are
currently
the
lowest
permit
fees
in
the
region,
and
I
think
that
we
should
look
at
increasing
them
some.
E
If
we
looked
at
the
the
value
of
a
thousand
dollars
since
2003,
I
believe
it's
gone
up
47
the
value
of
that
dollar
should
be
about
1400
or
so
dollars,
so
we
have
not
adjusted
through
the
entire
time
with
our
building
permit
fees.
Now
there
were
some
times.
Obviously
we
wouldn't
when,
when
the
crash
happened
in
2007.
E
But
I
think
it's
time
we
start
looking
at
at
changing
those
fees.
One
of
the
other
reasons
for
looking
at
changing
the
fees
is,
we
are
almost
50
percent
funded
by
the
general
fund,
so
we
want
to
try
to
to
reverse
that
a
little
bit
and
bring
it
down
that
we're
not
drawing
as
much
from
the
general
fund.
E
So
everything
I
have
there
is
again
highlighted
in
yellow
those
are
recommendations.
I'm
looking
towards
the
the
commission
to
you
know,
agree
or
disagree,
or
whatever
we
want
to
do.
We
can
make
changes
as
we
go
along.
The
current
fee
schedule
for
tarpon
is,
and
this
is
just
the
fee
schedule.
E
E
Quite
interesting
when
you're
trying
to
figure
out
what
a
permit
fee
is
so
right
now,
if
we
do
a
building
permit
fee
you're
going
to
build
a
new
house,
we
go
to
the
building
permit
fee.
We
calculate
it
off
of
the
value
of
construction,
then,
after
that
you
have
to
add
in
your
electrical
mechanical
and
plumbing
permits
and
gas
permits,
so
there's
additional
fees
in
that,
so
those
fees
all
start
coming
in
what
I
want
to
do
is
take
the
same
concept
except
everything's
included.
E
All
the
fees
are
collected
then,
and
your
subcontractors
are
just
signing
on
to
the
permit
they're
not
having
to
come
down
they're,
not
having
to
tell
me
how
many
hose
bibs
they
have
how
many
receptacles
they
have
trying
to
figure
out
all
these
things
to
get
an
additional
permit
cost
on
that.
So
by
doing
this,
it's
just
it
streamlines
it,
and
the
contractor
knows
exactly
what
his
permit
fee
is
going
to
be.
E
At
that
point,
not
well
it's
going
to
cost
you
a
thousand
dollars
for
my
portion
of
it
there's
another
150
for
the
plumber,
there's
200
for
the
electrician,
so
it
just
starts
to
streamline
that
down
to
we
go
in
there
and
we
know
what
the
fee
is
going
to
be
to
build
a
new
structure.
E
So
that's
kind
of
the
difference
between
that.
So
looking
at
the
the
new
fee
schedule,
that's
really
one
page.
All
the
other
pages
are
just
the
administrative
stuff.
That
is
not
part
of
the
fee
schedule,
but
it
just
shows
what
the
departments
you
know
are
charging
or
what
we
additional
fees
that
may
be
in
there.
E
So
there's
also
you're
going
to
see
that
the
very
first
part
of
that
is
based
on
the
building
value.
What
the
contractor
says
the
value
is
and
then
there's
another
part
in
there.
That's
based
on
the
icc
valuation
method,
in
your
backup,
you're,
going
to
see
the
icc
building
valuation
data
and
it
goes
on
type
of
construction.
E
Occupancy
is
going
to
go
ahead
and
give
you
a
dollar
amount
per
square
foot.
Now
these
dollar
amounts
are
a
lot
lower
than
you're
building
here.
Currently,
however,
this
is
a
national
average.
It's
just
something
that
we're
able
to
go
by.
They
take
a
national
average
put
it
in
here
and
then
we
come
up
with
a
multiplier.
E
The
multiplier
I
came
up
with
was
.0075
and
when
I've
run
that
multiplier
against
the
value,
the
value
method
it
comes
out.
Pretty
close,
you
know
it's
within
a
couple
hundred
dollars
or
a
couple
thousand
dollars
on
a
large
project.
E
Now,
what's
important
about
this
icc
valuation
method
is
there's
a
house
bill
that
is
out
there
right
now,
and
I
don't
know.
Maybe
the
attorney
can
explain
this-
that
ordered
and
grossed
and
enrolled.
G
Are
all
different
stages
of
the
of
the
legislative
process?
The
for
example.
The
bill
passed
this
session,
sponsored
locally
by
mr
de
sigli,
was
ordered
and
gross
enrolled
and
signed
by
the
governor.
It
is
now
with
legal
effect
on
its
effective
date.
E
No
not
on
the
impact.
This
is
house
bill,
401
hospital.
E
If
the
governor's
signed
it
yet
all
right,
so
what
what
is
in
here
on
house
bill
401,
it
says
a
local
government
may
not
require
a
contract
between
a
builder
and
an
owner
for
issuance
of
a
building
permit
or
as
a
requirement
for
the
submission
of
a
building
permit.
So
right
now,
when
somebody
comes
in
to
pull
a
permit,
we're
asking
for
a
contract.
E
Personally,
I
don't
like
that.
I
think
that
you're
giving
out
your
information
to
anybody
that
wants
to
do
a
public
records
request.
So
if
I'm
bidding
against
any
of
you
and
you're
awarded
the
job
I
can
come
here,
I
can
do
the
public
records
requests.
I
can
pull
and
see
what
your
bid
was
on
it.
That's
just
me
personally,
that's
why
I
like
the
icc
valuation
table
better.
E
E
The
the
occupancy
type
type
of
construction.
We
come
up
with
that
dollar
amount
multiply
everything
together
put
the
multiplier
in
there,
and
then
we
can
come
up
with
the
permit
v.
That
way,
that
also
is
an
all-inclusive
permit,
we're
not
going
to
say
you're
paying
this
much
for
this,
and
now
you
have
to
get
a
electrical
permit,
a
building
or
a
plumbing
permit
mechanical
permit.
So
we're
probably
one
of
the
very
few
jurisdictions
that
do
that.
The
surrounding
area
most
contractors
come
in
and
will
say
I
don't
just
sign
on
to
the
permit.
E
I
have
to
pull
an
additional
permit
and
we-
yes,
that's
the
way
we're
set
up
right
now,
so
I
would
like
to
get
away
from
that
plan
review.
The
next
section
in
that
is
50,
which
is
standard.
That's
where
we
are
now
that's
where
the
jurisdictions
around
us
are
that
that's
kind
of
a
standard
thing
there's
no
change
to
to
that
additional
fee
of
the
building
permit.
With
the
plan
review
process.
E
We
have
in
there
for
excessive
re-reviews,
so
you
submit
a
plan,
we
review
it.
We
return
it,
you
return
it
back.
We
review
it
review
it.
It
really
wasn't
addressed.
We
have
to
send
it
back
after
the
third
time
we're
just
going
to
have
to
finally
say:
hey,
listen,
there's
a
40
fee
for
this
back
and
forth
for
you
to
correct
the
one
thing
we
asked
you
three
times
earlier,
so
that's
something
that
is
in
addition
to
the
plan
review
fee
that
work
that
I'm
proposing
for
this.
E
Then
we
get
down
into
a
base
permit
fee,
I'm
looking
at
a
base
permit
fee
of
75
and
we
can
look
at
a
one-trip
inspection,
for
that
does
not
require
a
plan
review.
It's
a
75
permit.
You
want
to
do
a
mechanical
change
out
on
a
house.
It's
75!
You
want
to
do
a
water
heater
75
dollars
want
to
put
a
fence
up
75,
it's
just
easy
to
go
ahead
and
you
know
you
all
those
small
scope
work.
E
It's
just
easy
to
say
this
is
what
it
is
versus
going
to
the
old
schedule
and
going
through
and
trying
to
figure
out
in
these
five
pages.
Well,
if
I'm
doing
an
electric
service,
changeout,
there's
no
difference
in
my
guys
going
and
looking
at
a
hundred
amp
service,
a
200
amp
service
or
400
amp
service.
It's
still
the
same
amount
of
work,
however,
in
the
current
fee
schedule,
there's
a
different
dollar
amount
for
each
and
every
one
of
those
it's
the
same
job,
the
same
thing
you
know,
there's
no
difference.
E
E
So
we're
just
waiting
on
that
and
looking
at
it
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
there
that
I
think
is
going
to
make
it
all
the
way
there
just
knowing
how
the
this
legislature's
work
up
there
and
what's
been
added
in
that
bill.
I
don't
see
so
that's
just
something
that
we
we
need
to
prepare
for,
and
actually
every
jurisdiction
is
going
to
have
to
prepare
for
that.
E
If
we
can
no
longer
ask
for
a
a
contract,
so
you
know
we're
looking
at
a
base
p
a
base
permit
fee
of
75
for
a
single
trip
or
any
any
small
scope.
Permit.
Two
inspection
trip
we're
residential
you're
looking
at
ninety
dollars,
and
then
we
get
in
a
commercial
kind
of
the
same,
the
same
concept
looking
at
a
one
trip
of
ninety
dollars
and
two
trip
at
a
hundred
and
ten.
E
These
are
all
numbers
that
I'm
just
presenting
to
you
that
can
be
addressed
as
you
would
wish
those
to
be
re-roofs
we're
just
going
to
go
on
based
on
the
amount
of
the
job.
I
think
most
roofs
are
going,
probably
under
the
20
000
range.
So
on
the
spreadsheet
I
just
threw
a
20
000
in
there
just
to
see
a
comparison
difference
between
our
current
permit
and
what
I'm
proposing.
E
E
Tree
removal
permits
there's
another
area.
We
we
have
not
addressed
in
in
quite
some
time.
Looking
at
residential
taking
those
to
50,
I
think
we're
at
30
dollars.
Now
there
again
that's,
however,
the
commission
wants
to
address
that.
Keep
it
at
30,
keep
it
at
50.
E
G
E
So
new
developments,
residential
and
non-residential
we're
looking
at
a
100
tree
permit
fee.
That
would
be
these
large
developments.
We
have
going
in
issue
a
tree
permit
fee
for
for
staff
to
go
out
and
look
at
them,
evaluate
them
and
then
go
back
and
do
the
inspections
for
the
the
tree
barricades
and
you
know,
what's
being
removed
so
we're
looking
at
new
development,
residential
non-residential,
100
and
then,
of
course,
existing
residential
non-residential
50
tree
permit.
E
A
re-inspection
fee,
we
don't
have
a
re-inspection
fee
for
the
arborist
a
lot
of
times.
You
know
that
they'll
go
out
and
and
re-inspection
fees.
I
only
use
them
as
a
as
a
tool
for
people.
I
don't.
I
don't
like
to
use
reinspection
fees
all
the
time.
You
know
one
two
three
trips
and
they
still
aren't
getting
the
tree,
barricade
right
or
something.
That's
when
you
kind
of
go,
hey
look.
You
know.
I've
been
out
here
three
times,
I'm
gonna
have
to
charge
you
40,
I
don't.
E
I
don't
like
to
use
it.
I
know
a
lot
of
jurisdictions
use
that
and
they
just
constantly
use
that,
as
as
a
as
a
means
of
generating
revenue.
I
don't
do
that.
I
tell
my
inspectors,
you
know
only
in
any
extreme
case,
do
we
do
the
reinspection
fee
not
on
the
first
turn
down,
not
even
on
the
second
turn
down,
but
with
just
something
to
add
in
there
that's
used
as
a
tool.
E
If
there's
you
know,
we've
gone,
you
know
we
got
a
new
development
going
on
there
and
my
arborist
spends
several
hours
a
week
on
that
property.
You
know.
Sometimes
it
gets
to
a
point
where
you
want
to
tell
the
guy.
You
know
you're
dragging
us
out
here.
All
the
time
we're
you
know:
re-inspection
fees
floodplain
permits.
E
E
Or
you
know,
new
construction
would
go
through
a
a
flood
application
process,
we're
looking
at
for
residential,
a
50
permit
fee
and
then
non-residential
commercial
buildings
would
be
a
hundred
dollar
permit
fee.
There's
a
lot
of
time
spent
on
floodplain
review
and
we
don't
have
any
way
that
we're
we're
capturing
those
hours
as
to
what
is
spent
there
so
developing
the
floodplain
permit,
as
we
have
in
our
ordinance
saying
that
we
do
that.
We
just
want
to
go
ahead
and
clean
that
up
in
our
fee
schedule
to
say.
E
The
next
section
on
there
is
expired
permits
and
not
as
much
as
what's
going
on
in
today's
environment,
but
in
the
past,
when
construction
stopped,
there
was
different
phases
of
construction
that
they
stopped.
E
So
when
they
came
back
in
to
re-establish
that
permit
you
know
the
question
was:
how
much
is
it
going
to
cost
you
to
finish
the
project
I
haven't
opened
in
a
question:
ten
thousand
bucks?
Okay,
here's
your
permit
and
go
what
we're
looking
at
is
we'll
take
each
stage
of
what
was
inspected,
and
so,
if
you,
if
you
just
have
the
foundation,
we
would
only
we
would
charge
you
80
percent
of
the
permit
fee
and
it
goes
right
on
down
some
some
places.
E
If
it
was
just
a
a
final
building
inspection,
they
never
got
it.
It
would
just
be
a
75
permit,
so
it
just
gives
us
a
an
area
to
to
look
at
what
stage
they're
in
what
percentage
of
the
the
cost
for
the
permit
would
be
for
the
new
permit
section
about
refunds
in
there.
E
If
we
make
the
mistake,
we
refund
it
if
there's
something
from
from
the
contractor,
and
we've
already
invested
our
time
in
plan
review
and
that
we
would
refund
the
permit
fee,
but
not
those
additional
fees,
the
administrative
fees
and
the
plan
review
fee.
That's
really
standard
language
for
most
jurisdictions.
Have
you
know
the
same
kind
of
language
in
there.
E
So,
if
you're
changing
your
prime
contractor,
so
that's
you
and
your
contractor
have
a
disagreement.
You
don't
want
your
contractor
anymore.
You
want
to
hire
a
new
contractor.
That's
fine!
The
contractor
you're
getting
rid
of
owns
that
permit,
that's
his
permit.
So
what
we're?
What
you
have
to
do
is
you're
changing
your
prime
contractor.
It's
going
to
be
a
new
permit!
That
new
permit
is
based
on
the
percentage
that
we
just
went
over
so
depending
on
what
stage
in
the
contract
that
they
are.
E
That's
what
we
would
charge
the
new
the
new
contractor
to
get
that
permit
change
of
subcontractors
there
again
it's
another!
I
have
a
disagreement
with
my
air
conditioning
contractor.
I
want
a
new
one.
Okay,
that's
fine!
It's
a
25
feed!
You
know
administrator,
because
we
have
to
sit
down
and
remove
this
individual
and
put
that
company
on
in
their
place
temporary
certificate
of
occupancies.
E
We
get
requests
for
those
all
the
time
and
there's
a
pile
of
work
that
goes
into
those.
The
apartments
is
a
perfect
example.
You
know
the
the
amount
of
time
that
we
spent
in
there
and
and
just
gave
them
their
temporary
certificate
of
occupancies.
We're.
Looking
at
saying
that
you
want
a
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy,
it's
a
hundred
dollars
based
on
the
time
involved
in
it,
because
now
we
get
all
that
information
in
and
then
once
they
get
their
temporary
certificate
of
occupancy,
then
it
leads
into
their
regular
certificate
of
occupancy.
E
We
go
ahead
and
give
them
that
just
almost
it's
really
double
the
work
for
them
to
do
that.
E
Technology
fee
is
kind
of
the
newest
thing
that
is
out
there.
A
lot
of
jurisdictions
are
starting
to
get
into
the
technology
fee.
I
don't
think
that
we
can
incorporate
that
into
the
permit
fee.
I
think
for
finance
and
accounting
they
are
going
to
want
to
see
those
everything
separate
so
technology
fee
for
the
contractors,
as
our
online
plan
review
that
we're
establishing
now,
it's
also
the
way
they
schedule
their
inspections.
E
They
they
schedule
them
on
the
computer
and
we're
also
going
into
a
new
phase
of
that
where
they
can
schedule
by
text
and
there's
also
an
additional
piece
to
it
where,
when
the
inspector
sets
up
his
day,
he'll
have
his
route.
You
know,
stop
one
two,
three
four
five
and
you're
able
to
go
ahead
and
see
where
that
inspector
is
so
it
gives
you
a
better
idea
of
when
they're
going
to
arrive
at
your
your
property,
so
you
could
say:
well
I'm
number
five
on
there
I
can
go.
E
E
E
I
calculated
based
on
last
year's,
permitting
it
it
may
have
put
in
about
20
000
in
into
the
technology
feed.
I
believe
our
annual
budget
is
somewhere
around
25
27
000,
just
in
those
areas
and
now
with
the
new
online
permitting
there's
another
30
000
right
there.
Just
in
that
that
we
would
be
just
pulling
from
general
fund,
so
contractors
use
the
technology
they
like
the
technology
for
them
to
pay
a
dollar
two
dollars
or
three
dollars
versus
driving
here,
they're.
E
They
they'd
rather
do
that
than
you
know,
spending
an
hour
plus
on
the
road
plus
their
gas.
Coming
to
and
from
below
that
we
have
state
fees,
that's
fixed,
there's
nothing!
We
can
do
about
that,
it's
a
minimum
of
two
dollars
and
then
once
we
go
above
a
certain
dollar
amount.
It's
two
percent
plus
one
and
a
half
percent
that
goes
to
the
to
the
state,
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
about
that.
E
Then
other
services
provided
these
are
you
know
the
administrative
fees
that
staff
would
use
a
a
good
example.
Is
we
get
a
request
for
a
whole
set
of
house
plans,
so
we
take
those.
We
now
have
to
bundle
that
up.
We
send
it
out
to
be
scanned
or
or
printed
so
we
send
those
out
and
then
we
we
bring
them
back
in
and
then
they
want
them
either
mailed
or
they're
not
going
to
come
and
pick
them
up.
E
So
it's
just
a
mechanism
that
if
we
get
inundated
with
a
a
lot
of
work
in
that
that
we
can
at
least
say
hey,
that's
fine,
but
that's
going
to
be
30.
It
says
in
there
that
we
can't
just
charge
you
we
have
to
let
you
know
before
you
do
it.
So
if
you're,
you
know,
got
all
these
different
requests,
that's
fine,
and
then
it
gets
to
a
point
where
staff
is
going
to
say.
E
Okay,
that's
going
to
be,
you
know,
30
for
the
hour,
just
letting
you
know
if
you
want
to
go
additional
into
that,
the
inspector
time
that's
40,
which
is
our
reinspection
fee,
but
that
also
gets
into
consultations
with
with
contractors
that
want
us
to
do
their
punch
list.
E
Once
again,
they
inundated
us
with
paperwork
and
time.
You
know
so
it
takes
staff
time
to
pull
away
from
that
and
concentrate
on
all
the
requests
and
the
information
that
they
were
giving
us
at
the
time.
You
know,
then,
at
some
point
we
should
have
been
able
to
say
hey,
you
know,
there's
a
charge
for
this
after
the
fact
permits
that's
covered
by
the
building
code.
E
I
don't
I
don't
push
my
inspectors
to
use
those
unless
they
go
out
three
plus
times
on
the
same
thing
I
don't
like
when
they
go
to
a
job,
somebody's,
not
home,
and
they
re-fem
that's
wrong.
That's
just
that's
just
wrong,
but
if
you
schedule
the
inspection
and
you're
not
not
home
three
times,
then
you're
gonna,
let
the
contractor
know:
hey:
we've
been
out
there
three
times
nobody's
home,
he's
going
to
make
sure
that
somebody's
going
to
be
there
the
next
time.
E
E
Do
40
percent
of
what
the
permit
fee
would
be?
We
still
have
administrative
time
we're
still
responsible
for
storing
that
those
plans,
so
we're
responsible
for
a
lot
of
things,
except
for
either
doing
the
plan
review
or
doing
the
inspections
so
by
statute.
It
does
require
that.
So
we
need
to
put
that
in
there
and
there
again
I
just
went
ahead
and
threw
40
percent
in
there,
which
I
felt
was
a
a
pretty
reasonable
figure
that
we
would.
It
would
be
40
of
the
the
permit
fees.
E
E
So
fy20
owner
builder
permits
were
528
owner
builder
permits,
out
of
those
528
160
were
yard,
sale
permits,
90
of
those
were
tree
permits,
67
were
fence
permits,
22
were
utility
connections
for
339
which,
and
it
still
can
break
down
into
some
site
work
and
that
type
of
thing,
so
there
was
roughly
139
owner
builder
permits
out
of
3761
permits
that
we
issued
for
fy
20..
So
I
know
commissioner
battycutters
had
a
little
concern
about
owner
builder
permits
and,
and
you
know,
would
this
really
affect
them
by
increasing
the
fees?
E
I
just
took
some
random
values-
residential
mechanical
there
again,
it's
currently
based
on
the
value
of
the
project.
So
if
we
had
a
8
500
air
conditioning
change
out
right
now,
it
would
be
on
average
89
proposed
fee
75
residential
water,
heater
change
out
is
34
proposed
would
be
seventy
five
dollars
a
residential
re-roof.
I
just
threw
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
value
on
there.
That
would
be
a
hundred
and
twenty
five
dollar
permit.
E
The
proposed
would
be
a
165
permit
and
if
we
go
across
and
look
at
the
other
jurisdictions,
you
know
we're
we're
going
to
be
close
to
to
what
safety
harbor
is
pinellas
county.
They
do
it's
150
up
to
so
many
squares
and
then,
after
that,
there's
an
additional
fee
to
that.
So
that's
why
there's
a
plus
next
to
the
pinellas
county,
residential
electric
service,
changeout
right
now
that
would
cost
you
31
we're
looking
at
just
taking
that
to
a
flat
fee
of
75
dollars
here
again:
safety
harbors
at
65.
E
done
eating's
at
143
and
pinellas
counties
at
121
dollars
for
that
same
service
changeout,
like
I
said,
on
the
service
changeout,
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
a
60,
amp,
100,
amp
or
400
amp.
We're
still
doing
the
same
thing
and
the
the
amount
of
administrative
time
involved
in
that
and
then
inspector
time
going
to
it.
Obviously,
the
for
an
hour
of
of
an
inspector
is
over
the
75
and
everything
that's
been
done
within.
E
I
took
some
basic
construction
values.
So
if
we
had
a
50
000
project,
we're
currently
at
175
for
that
permit
proposed,
would
raise
that
up
to
345.
E
And
if
we
look
at
the
other
municipalities
around
us
that
same
permit
and
safety,
harbor
would
be
300.
1850
pinellas
county
at
2200,
a
600
000
value
job
would
be
1865..
We
would
move
that
up
to
2200.
That
would
be
comparable
to
safety
harbor
at
the
same
amount.
E
Dunedin
would
be
5850
for
that
same
permit
and
then
pinellas
county
would
be
at
6
600
for
that
same
permit
and
we
go
up
with
the
the
two
million
dollar
permit.
The
one
thing
on
the
safety
harbor
one
we're
looking
at
are
proposed
at
8,
600
and
they're
at
7
800
on
safety,
harbor
you're
going
to
have
to
add
in
your
mechanical
plumbing
electrical
gas.
Those
are
extra
fees
there,
so
that's
going
to
bring
them
up
above
where
we're
at
where
we're
talking.
Ours
is
all
inclusive.
E
Where
safety
harbor
there's
going
to
be
additional
fees
for
the
meps
or
the
the
trades,
then
I
went
ahead
and
took
one
building
out
of
the
new
apartments
that
permit
fee
for
one
building
was
a
thirty
thousand
dollar
permit,
so,
under
the
new
value,
what
they
told
us
the
value
was,
it
would
have
been
a
forty
two
thousand
dollar
permit
and
under
the
new
icc
valuation
table
it
would
have
been
a
47
000
permit
if
they
didn't
want
to
give
us
their
their
contract.
E
E
The
valuation
was
based
on
fifty
five
thousand
square
feet
and
the
value
of
that
one
particular
building
was
six
million
six
hundred
fifty
eight
dollars.
So
that's
where
I
came
up
with
those
those
numbers
there.
So
I
don't
think
that
we're
gonna
be
that
far
off
from
the
surrounding
communities.
E
Pinellas
county
has
updated
their
fee
schedule.
Fy21
dunedin,
I
believe
was
17
is
the
last
time
they
did
theirs
and
safety
harbor,
I
believe,
was
around
13
somewhere
around
in
there
12
13
for
there,
so
they're
probably
going
to
be
due
to
looking
at
upgrading
their
fee
schedule.
Potentially
I
don't
know
but
we're
right
now
we
are
the
lowest
permit
fee
in
the
entire
region.
B
Mr
powell,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
updating
the
permit
process
and
the
prices.
I
got
several
questions
that
I'd
like
to
ask
you:
what
is
the
percentage
of
the
building
department
budget
that
is
covered
by
the
permit
revenue,
almost
50
percent,
and
with
a
new
change?
It's
really
not
going
to
change.
Much
is
it.
I.
E
B
I,
like
the
the
short
form,
the
iacc
evaluation
method
that
you
were.
You
know
you
explained
to
us
earlier.
Can
you
kind
of
explain
how
did
you
come
up
with
the
percent
modified,
which
is
0.75.
E
If
you
read
the,
if
you
read
the
icc
evaluation
table,
it
says
if
you're
trying
to
say
be
75
of
your
budget
coming
from
permits
25
from
from
general
fund,
then
you
would
use
that
multiplier,
so
it
it
worked.
It
seemed
like
it
worked.
We
can
tweak
that
one
way
or
the
other.
We
can
bring
it
down
a
little
bit,
but
it's
it's
pretty
close.
If
we
did
this
new
fee
schedule
based
on
a
value
and
now
it
it
may
come
out
less
on
a
higher
value
project.
E
B
The
icuc
square
footage
data.
B
E
Yeah
so,
depending
on
back
in
2007
during
the
crash
2008,
they
decreased.
If
I
remember
correctly,
on
a
residential
building
at
one
time
they
were
down
to
about
111
dollars
a
square
foot
right
now,
they're
at
I
think,
132
dollars
a
square
foot.
Now
that's
taking
a
national
average.
That's
you
know,
middle
america
all
the
way
out
to
the
coast,
north
and
south.
They
just
average
all
that
together
and
come
up
with
a
permit
fee.
Can
you
build
a
single
family
dwelling
for
123
dollars,
a
square
foot
with
a
contractor
here?
B
When
was
the
last
time
that
our
permit
process
was.
E
B
I'm
looking
the
the
comparison
spreadsheet
that
you
provided
to
us.
B
What
you
propose
is
actually
much
lower
than
eating
pinellas
and
oldsmar,
because
pinellas
is
actually
I
mean
oldsmore
is
actually
covered
by
pinellas
county
correct,
yes,
so
we're
about
the
same
as
a
safety
harbor.
So
I
kind
of
I'm
okay
with
that,
knowing
that
we
are
on
the
lower
part
of
compared
to
the
other
cities.
E
B
One
question
that
I
have
that
you
brought
up
about
technology
feed.
It's
only
one
dollar
I
mean
come
on
one
dollar
that
doesn't
get
you
anywhere,
it's
not
even
a
coke.
E
Once
you
get
into
the
bigger
projects,
you
get
a
half
a
percent
in
the
one
percent.
I
believe
I
have
on
there
yeah.
I
just
think
these
small
scope
permits
75
permit
a
dollar.
I
don't
I
mean
what
what?
What
are
we
going
to
hit
him
with
on
on.
E
I
would
have
to
look
through
the
pinellas
county.
Has
it
in
theirs?
I
just
don't
have
pinellas
county
up
here
with
me.
I
didn't
see
it.
B
E
Yeah,
it's
buried
in
there
somewhere,
that's
quite
a
fee
schedule
to.
B
F
B
E
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it's
it's
that
bad,
but
I'll
I'll
look
at
try
to
compare
the
other
jurisdictions,
but
I
know
I
looked
at
saint
pete.
They
had
it
pinellas
county
had
it
temple
terrace
had
it
so
yeah
I've
looked
at
different
areas
and
their
fee,
and
I
wasn't
trying
to
compete
with
them.
I
was
trying
to
at
least
offset
some
of
the
costs
from
the
general
fund
into
our
technology.
B
Yeah
my
last
question,
mr
moore
just
said
that
house
bill
401
has
not
been
signed
by
the
governor.
Yet
what
happens
if
it
doesn't?
If.
B
E
B
G
F
Kevin
thanks
again
for
your
presentation
to
think
that
we
haven't
updated
these
fees
since
2003
is
kind
of
eye-opening.
So
again
I
appreciate
you
taking
the
lead
and
initiating
that
my
biggest
concern
of
if
any
as
it
relates
to
this
is
just
our
cost
to
the
consumer
and
trying
to
you
know
not
burden
the
the
residents,
because,
ultimately,
that's
going
to
be
who's
going
to
be
footing
the
bill
on
this.
F
So
you
know
when
you
look
at
our
impact
fees,
which
I
think
that
we
should
look
at
comparatively
with
other
communities
and
jurisdictions
as
well
as
we're
talking
about
this,
and
then
you
add
on
some
of
these
other
expenses.
That
would
just
be
my
concern.
If
any
is
that
you
know
we're
not
just
continuing
to
add
costs
and
we're
trying
to
remain
competitive
with
other
communities,
which
I'm
glad
to
see
that
I
think
with
that
we
are,
I
think
we
all
want
to
remain
competitive
with
the
surrounding
communities.
F
So
that
said,
I
think
that
the
adding
25
are
not
adding
but
recouping
25
of
your
budget
to
your
department.
Through
these
added
fees,
I
think
is
strong
for
us
and
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
that
we're
not
continuing
to
bear
so
much
on
the
general
fund,
although
we're
not
like
you
said
an
enterprise
fund,
so
I'm
appreciative
that
in
some
areas,
you're
continuing
to
streamline
some
of
the
permit
fees
like
the
electrical
mechanical
water
heater.
F
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
even
though
that
it
is
going
up
a
little
bit
from
where
it
is
today.
As
you
mentioned,
it
takes
the
same
amount
of
work
for
our
department
and
for
the
guys
in
the
field,
so
I
can
definitely
support
that
and
then
I
think,
keeping
people
honest
with
some
of
the
re-inspection
fees
is
a
good
idea.
I
think
that
that's
what
it
does
when
you
know.
F
Ultimately
again,
the
consumer
or
the
resident,
starts
to
get
the
charge
from
their
contractor,
because
the
our
department
or
our
guys
had
to
go
back
out
a
third
or
a
fourth
time,
and
then
they
start
to
get
these
40
charges.
I
think
that
that
will,
like,
I
said,
keep
people
honest
and
then
the
the
one
dollar
tech
fee-
I
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
that.
I
think
that
we
could
definitely
charge
more.
F
But
for
me
what
I
think
that
that
does
is
that's
going
to
encourage
the
utilization
of
the
technology
right
and,
ultimately
us
offering
the
technology.
Doesn't
it's
not
like?
It
costs
us
a
whole
lot
of
money.
So,
while
I
would
support
you
know,
maybe
going
up
a
little
bit
well,
I
mean
I
mean
from
a
volume
perspective.
B
F
Start
to
look
at
really
utilizing
it
from
a
volume
stance.
It
starts
to
pay
for
itself,
so
I
think
that
you
know
by
making
that
dollar
fee
little,
it
encourages
the
utilization
of
the
use
of
the
technology
from
contractors
or
residents
or
whatever,
and
in
the
long
run
that
that
goes
a
long
way
with
our
department
right
in
terms
of
like
cost.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
I
think
that
we
could
charge
a
little
bit
more,
but
I
don't.
F
I
don't
think
that
it's
necessary
the
no
sign
not
having
to
submit
the
signed
contract.
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
that
that
you
know
from
a
public
record
standpoint
is
probably
a
positive
thing.
F
Yeah
right
and
then,
let's
see,
do
I
have
anything
else.
The
only
the
only
real
concern
that
I
would
have
is
just
the
construction
values,
just
the
the
additional
charges
that
are
associated
with
that.
But
again,
if
we
haven't
updated
since
2003,
then
it's
well
past
time
right
and
ultimately
we're
still
maintaining
competitiveness
with
the
surrounding
communities
which,
which
is
what
the
mayor
mentioned.
So
I
mean
across
the
board,
with
exception
to
the
two
million
thing
at
8
600.
F
G
F
I'm
glad
to
see
that
I'm
a
little
bit
surprised
at
how
much
the
county
is
charging,
but
that's
that's
not
necessarily
here
nor
there.
So
with
that
again,
I
just
I
thank
you
for
diving
into
this
and
sinking
your
teeth
into
it
and
keeping
us
competitive
and
also
updating
our
fees
and
looking
forward
to
the
future,
as
you
continue
to
update
our
our
building
department
and
streamline
us
more
and
bring
us
more
into
the
future
with
some
of
this
it
stuff.
So
thank.
G
C
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you.
Mr
powell.
Similar
theme
from
the
first
response
is
just
that.
Thank
you
again
for
streamlining.
This,
for
us
hasn't
been
updated
since
2003,
really
glad
that
we're
going
to
get
you
know
still
be
on
the
lower
end,
obviously
in
comparison
to
surrounding
cities,
but
also
kind
of
come
back
into
the
modern
age
and
not
get
you
know
not
get
taken
advantage
of
kind
of
like
the
the
korea
apartments
ended
up
being.
C
The
only
main
concern
I
have
about
these
fees
is
the
technology
fee.
I
mean
if
we
want
to
do
a
reminder
to
say:
hey
use
our
technology,
I'm
fine
to
do
that,
but
just
based
on
principle
the
logic
of
a
technology
fee
which
is
really
just
kind
of
a
convenience
fee.
You
know
it's,
it's
frustrating
for
somebody
to
see
that
on
a
bill,
we
all
get
bills
or
we
all
get.
You
know
whether
it's
a
sell,
sell
carrier
or
whatever
you
see
those
little
fees
and
it's
a
dollar.
C
Why
would
I
be
paying
a
premium
for
you
to
use
all
the
technological
tools
at
your
disposal
to
help
me
or
to
help
smoothen
out
the
process?
To
me
I
mean
the
technology
fee.
I
get
the
over
500
000.
That's
really
when
you're
going
to
start
to
see
some
revenue
there,
but
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
charging
literal
pennies
to
our
residents
for
different
projects
for
it.
I
just
think
it's
a
gimmicky
fee.
That's
really,
I
mean
other
than
really
really
that's
the
only
thing
I
want
to
see
changed
on.
C
E
Yeah,
I
understand
it's
just
that
when,
when
we
look
in
our
budget
there
again
25
27
000
is
coming
out
of
the
general
fund
to
support
the
technology
that
we
have
the
ivr
system
that
you're
scheduling
your
inspections,
the
electronic
plan
review.
E
C
C
A
The
yeah,
I'm
going
to
say
something
a
little
bit
about
the
owner
builder
thing,
but
I
I
guess
your
objective
with
a
fee
increase
is
to
basically
self-fund
the
department
at
about
a
75
level.
Is
that
correct,
where
we
were
54.
E
Right
yeah
we're
just
we're
just
trying
to
get
we're
not
pulling
as
much
from
the
general
fund.
A
Right,
I
think
it's
a
really
good
idea
to
to
establish
an
objective.
This
is
what
my
objective
is
with
these
fees.
So
it's
easily
explainable
to
the
residents,
because
getting
back
to
a
couple
of
comments
this
evening,
they're
paying
for
it,
whether
they're
paying
for
it
in
a
building
permit
fee.
A
Way
or
the
other
and
and
and
I
think
it's
important
to
to
recognize
that
now,
I'm
not
going
to
try
and
draw
any
logic
to
what's
better
or
not,
and
you
know
that
sort
of
thing,
but
but
but
it's
important
to
recognize
that,
and
it
may
be
worth
between
now
and
the
time
that
the
ordinance
comes.
This
will
be
by
ordinance
as
well.
Yes,
sir,
okay,
by
the
time
this
comes
back
coordinates.
It
may
be.
A
A
good
thing
for
mr
herring
are
to
do
a
pro
forma
with
just
kind
of
a
sample
year
with
mr
powell
to
determine
exactly
what
the
increase
is
going
to
be
over.
What
what
that
particular
model
year
was.
Let's
say
it
was
1.2
billion
dollars.
I
think
our
budget
for
the
building
department
this
year
is
1.2,
roughly
yeah
and
and
let's
just
see
how
much
of
that
is
to
see
whether
we're
going
to
get
close
to
that
or
not.
I
think
that
would
be
good
the
and
I
had
a
question.
A
I
forgot
to
ask
you,
but
it's
all
related
when
we
talk
about
older
builder
versus
contractor,
we're
not
making
a
distinction
in
the
permit
fees.
Is
that
correct,
no
sir?
And
that
also
applies
to
the
exemptions
that
we
talked
about
earlier?
Yes,
sir?
Okay,
so
if
a
contractor
comes
in
or
let's
say
you
show
up
and
there's
one
of
the
roofing
contractors
up
on
the
roof
and
what
are
you
doing?
You
don't
have
a
permit
and
you
said
well,
I'm
doing
less
than
a
square.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
the
one
thing
as
far
as
the
and
I'm
very
happy
to
see
that
we're
moving
in
further
into
the
digital
age.
A
If
you
will-
and
I
noticed
that
in
the
schedule
that
you
gave
me
earlier-
that
one
page
that
you
it
was
the
number
of
permits
and
things
like
that-
there
was
a
couple
of
lines
in
there
on
online
permits,
and
I
also
know
that
we
do
digital
inspections
now
as
well
and.
E
E
Yes,
I
would
like
it,
but
then
again
we're
nine
square
miles,
15
minutes
from
anywhere.
Okay,
it
makes
it
it
makes
it
tough.
Now
I
I've
used
it
at
night
when
the
hospital
was
being
re-roofed,
so
you
know
midnight.
E
I
would
get
a
call
in
on
that
and
I
was
able
to
do
do
the
inspection
that
way
instead
of
driving
here,
going
up
on
the
roof
and
and
doing
the
inspection,
so
we
use
it
more
during
the
the
peak
of
covid,
but
the
contractors,
for
whatever
reason,
are
kind
of
just
wanting
to
go
back
to
business
as
usual
right.
I.
A
Don't
want
to
get
into
the
operation
of
the
department,
but
if
it
was
something
that
you
would
prefer
to
move
that,
I
would
actually
suggest
maybe
bumping
up
the
fees
and
then
offering
a
discount
for
the
digital
version
of
it
to
kind
of
incentivize
that
process,
if
you're
having
some
difficulty
for
them
to
go
in
that
direction.
I
think
at
some
point
we're
going
to
be
paying
65
000
a
year
for
that
that
software
system,
so.
E
For
the
online
plan,
submittal
right
right.
A
And
and
of
course,
the
video
inspections
which
I
think
is
a
good
idea,
it's
just.
E
A
Okay,
the
also
I
wanted
to
remind
everybody
there's
one
of
the
good
reasons
of
what
night,
why
not
to
go
to
an
enterprise
fund
is
you've,
got
good
years,
boone
years
and
bad
years
and
bus
years
and
right
now
I
would
suggest
that
we
have
a
good
year
a
boon
year,
and
maybe
this
will
give
us
the
75,
but
in
those
bus
years
we're
going
to
be
right
back
to
50
of
the
the
general
fund
covering
the
the
building
department.
A
So
this
is
a
moving
target
and
we're
we're
75
during
a
boon
year,
at
least
that's
what
I'm
understanding.
At
this
point.
The
last
comment
I
had
was
a
one
of
the
biggest
complaints.
I've
gotten
is
that
I'm
paying
I'm
my
supplies
are
less
than
a
hundred
dollars,
but
my
permit
fee
is
you
know
eighty
dollars
or
something
like
that.
A
Now
don't
ask
me
for
an
example,
but
I
could
give
you
a
hypothetical,
for
example,
the
the
plane,
the
permit
fee,
the
base
permit
fee
of
75
right,
and
you
know
if
I
had
two
sections
of
fence
for
whatever
weird
situation.
I
want
to
put
two
six
inch
sections
two,
six
foot
sections
of
fence
somewhere
and
I've
got
to
come
in
and
get
a
permit
plan
review
the
whole
thing
and,
and
that's
going
to
cost
me
75,
whereas
maybe
the
the
this
again
is
a
hypothetical.
A
Whichever
is
less
to
kind
of
take
the
edge
off
of
that
a
little
bit
and
don't
don't
ask
me
whether
it's
10
or
15,
that's
something
for
if
they're.
If
the
commission
feels
that
that
might
be
something
that
they'd
like
to
explore,
I'd
certainly
leave
it
up
to
you.
I
don't
know,
but
that's
just
a
thought,
but
that
would
help
with
one
of
the
you
know
biggest.
I
don't
want
to
say
complaints,
but
in
a
form
it
is
a
complaint
but
biggest
observations
and
feedback.
I
get.
E
E
A
No,
no,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
there's
other
situations
like
that,
where
the
materials
are
let's
say,
80
and
it's
a
flat
fee.
I
mean
it's,
not
an
exemption
and
it
might
be
a
life
safety
issue
or
something
like
that,
but
you
do
need
to
have
it
inspected,
and
I
understand
that,
but
it's
almost
a
little
from
my
it's
a
little.
A
A
The
that's
what
the
building
code
required
that
wasn't
an
issue,
but
for
some
other
people
that
if
their
doors
are
just
rotting
and
we're
trying
to
make
some
improvements
in
the
city
for
them
to
go
out
and-
and
you
know
that
that's
a
different
cost
and
maybe
we
could
help
them
a
little
bit
with
the
with
a
permit
fee.
But
of
course
that
would
be
up
to
the
commission
and
see
if
they
want
to
head
in
that
direction
a
little
bit
again.
A
It
would
be
like
70
your
base,
fee,
plus
or
or
some
percentage
of
the
cost
of
materials
would
it,
whichever
is
less
so
I
think
that
was.
Let's
see,
I
think,
that's
all
the
comments
I
had
on
this.
So
thank
you.
B
Thank
you
any
other
comments
before
no,
mr
liquors,
do
you
have
any
anything
that
you
want
to
share
with
us
on.
E
No
sir,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
present
this
to
you
I'll,
go
ahead
and
take
these
items
that
we've
discussed
and
move
forward,
to
bring
it
to
the
board
as
ordinance
and
then
move
on
from
there.
But
thanks
again
I
appreciate
it.
E
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
what
I'm
saying.
I
don't
want
there
to
be
any
issues
if,
if
we
miss
something
or
something.
B
C
B
E
I'm
going
to
start
working
on
that.
I
will
be
out
with
the
military
for
the
next
two
weeks.
So
when
I
come
back
I'll,
be
able
to
spend
more
time
on
that
I'll
get
with
the
city
manager
and
see
where
we
can
go
ahead
and
fit
that
in
but
I'll
start
working
on
that
ordinance.
A
A
A
B
A
If
that's
what
we're
talking
about
the
1.2
roughly
and
we're
at
50
now
so
it'd
be
about
250
for
the
budget
this
year,
because
I
know
ron's
already
probably
pulling
the
hair
out
of
his
head
trying
to
get
things
to
balance
with
everything.
So
I'll
leave
it
up
to
you
as
far
as
holiday
light.
But
but
but
don't
forget
that
about.
B
E
B
And
we're
going
to
go
to
staff
commons
two
fields,
no
comments,
mr
seated
attorney.
Thank
you,
mr
motor,
for
being
here
with
us
tonight.
It's
a
pleasure.
D
I
hope
you
all
have
in
front
of
you.
I
think
we've
got,
although
it
says
tentative.
I
think
we've
got
the
final
budget
adoption
schedule
for
the
meetings
of
of
the
board
with
some
changes.
I
also
on
the
right
side
have
available
other
available
meeting
dates
with
me.
C
B
D
No
okay,
basically
for
the
budget
adoption
schedule.
The
only
thing
that
changed
was
the
two
public
hearings
september,
7th
and
september
15th.
D
And
then
on
the
other
available
meetings
again,
there's
two
of
them
that
are
starred
and
that
would
be
tuesday
june
29th
and
thursday
july
22nd
they're
started
because
mr
trask
is
available.
There
are
a
couple
issues
that
may
be
coming
up
in
the
next
two
weeks
that
we,
I
think
one
would
be
a
workstation.
Another
would
be
a
special
session
I'll
know
within
the
tech
next
two
weeks,
but
keep
an
eye
on
reserving
those
two
to
dates
for
the
possibility
of
it.
When,
when
you
get
it
and
again
we'll
get
a
copying,
you.
D
No
it'd
probably
be
a
work,
one
be
a
work
session
and
one
will
be
a
special
session
on
some
issues
that
you
know
that
that
come
to
the
forefront
of
the
other
work
session,
that
they
come
to
the
forefront
and
then
otherwise
those
dates,
those
dates
that
can
be
available
there.
They
are,
she
put
him
on
mine
and
then
maybe
she
thought
you
were
going
to
be
here.
D
She
said
she
was
going
to
put
him
in
a
clerk's
basement,
so
those
are
some
other
dates,
for
instance,
if
we
need
to
move
an
extra
budget
meeting,
probably
the
first
budget
work
session
that
we
have
with
the
board.
Probably
a
lot
of
that's
going
to
be
dealing
with
the
salaries,
the
the
salary
study
and
possibly,
positions
we're
just.
D
I
don't
see
a
spot
in
the
upcoming
meetings
where
we're
even
going
to
be
able
to
talk
about
the
salary
study,
I'd
hope
to
put
that
on
a
meeting,
but
looking
at
the
meetings
from
now
until
these
budget
meetings,
you
know
I'm
pulling
things
off
because
we're
just
not
going
to
get
through
them
in
time.
D
So
so,
when
you
look
at
the
other
available
meeting
dates
that
may
be
that
another
work
session
with
the
board
when
we
bring
the
budget
to
you,
there's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
a
little
different
where
we're
going
to
not
place
as
much
into
the
budget,
but
we're
going
to
have
charts
with
things
for
the
board
to
be
more
involved
in
remember
last
year
we
talked
about,
we
had
placed
things
in
the
budget,
and
then
there
was
a
total
left
for
the
board
to
do
we're
going
to
try
to
any
gains
that
we
get.
D
For
instance,
we
gain
money
with
the
property
appraisers
valuations,
so
that
money
instead,
which
which
could
be
if
it
doesn't
adjust
too
much.
You
know
I
think,
about
a
400
000,
we're
not
going
to
place
that
anywhere.
It's
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
for
us
to
discuss
with
the
board
and
these
budget
work
sessions
to
place
in
the
budget.
So
we
may
need
one
of
these
other
available
meeting
dates
that
are
on
the
right
to
have
an
extra
work
session
with
the
board.
D
Again,
we
don't
know
what
that
we
had
three
scheduled
for
this
year,
but
we've
got
these
other
dates
that
may
be
available
if
we
need
to
have
at
another
meeting
and
again
they're
all
in
plenty
of
time
since
they're
in
july
and
early
august
they're
plenty
of
time
before
the
public
hearings
in
september
for
the
board
to
have
a
lot
more
input
in
some
of
the
funds
and
and
where
they
go
so
so
that's
kind
of
our
our
concept
and
our
change
with
with
this
budget
year.
D
So
the
meeting
schedules
that
hopefully,
if
anything,
comes
up,
I
know
I've
sent
it
to
you
several
times
and
some
changes
come
up.
If
any
changes
come
up,
I
need
to
know,
but
those
two
start
dates
on
the
other
available
meetings,
the
the
june
29th
and
july
22nd.
Please
try
to
to
hold
open
because
the
two
items
we
would
would
need
mr
trouse
there
for
those
items
so.
A
I've
got
a
question
for
the
same
manager
unless
somebody
else
has
one.
He-
and
I
spoke
a
little
bit
about
this,
but
what
I
was
trying
to
get
at
was
not
just
the
dates
but
also
the
specific,
for
example,
the
the
salary
review
and
the
personnel
request.
A
Okay
and
what
about,
for
example,
the
town
halls
that
we
had
promised
the
the
residents
to
you
know,
I
think
we
were
going
to
do.
A
For
example,
the
stafford,
not
the
saffron
house,
but
the
hoffman
sunbay
property-
is
what
I
was
talking
about
with
a
couple
of
ideas,
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
residents
wanted
to
have
done
on
that.
That
was
going
to
be
a
town
hall.
D
So
those
other
available
dates.
If
we
feel
that
one's
coming
up
now,
it
only
goes
to
mid-august,
obviously
we'll
have
september
october
dates,
but
if,
but
if
there's
something
that
really
needs
to
come
up,
that
we
want
to
have
town
hall
wise
work
session,
special
session,
that
sign
of
thing.
Those
are
the
available
dates
that
this
board
could
decide
to
do
them
on
yeah.
A
Right
so,
and
then
and
the
reason
why
I
and
then
there
was
a
priorities
that
I
think
the
mayor
and
vice
mayor
card
brought
up
a
you
know,
in
other
words,
a
separate
meeting
to
discuss
the
priorities
before
we
got
into
the
budget.
So
I
know
we're
probably
going
to
have
like
first
line
projects
that
we've
agreed
to
and
then
the
department's
put
forward
we're
going
to
agree
to
some
of
these
and
then
some
of
these
others
are
going
to
fall
back
again
to
some
secondary.
A
What
do
they
call
wait
list
projects
as
we
talked
about
last
year,
and
I
think
it
just
it's
an
important
and
what
I'm
getting
at
the
town
halls,
the
the
the
personnel
thing,
the
the
the
sponge
docks
the
downtown
as
well.
We
could
roll
those
up
in
together,
but
all
of
those
are
going
to
have
an
impact
on
the
budget.
I
I
would
assume,
in
other
words,
for
example,
whatever
we
want
to,
let's
say
on
the
on
the
hop
in
sunday.
A
A
Is
it's
not
so
much,
I'm
available,
that's
not
an
issue.
I
don't
really
care
about
the
dates
except
for
that
one
week.
But,
what's
important
to
me
is
that
making
sure
that
we've
discussed
a
lot
of
this
stuff
before
we
get
to
that
september,
15th
time
frame
and
we're
finalizing
and
finishing
up
the
budget
and
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we'll
still
have
questions
about,
for
example,
the
sun
bay
and
hochman
property?
We
didn't
really
discuss
it.
What
are
we
going
to
do
with
that?
A
And-
and
it's
just
would
be
sad
to
just
continue,
leaving
these
things
as
loose
ends
when
we
have
the
opportunity
to
schedule
them
right
now.
As
part
of
this,
I
it's
a
lot
I
know,
but
with
the
covid,
and
I
understand
that,
but
it
still
needs
to
be
done.
A
You
know
what
I'm
saying,
in
other
words
identify
what
the
topics
are
for
each
of
these
dates
and
if
we
have
to
replace
one
meeting
date
for
something
else,
that's
fine,
but
at
least
we
can
get
an
idea
of
when
we're
going
to
talk
about
these
things.
There'll
be
a
schedule
for
something
that
the
residents
can
look
at.
That's
of
interest
to
them
and
and
right
now
it's
there's
nothing
there,
except
the
states.
B
Yes,
oh
okay,
I
mentioned
you
mentioned
earlier
about
the
wages
review.
This
is
something
I
requested
and
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
to
discuss
that
before
the
the
first
budget
work
session.
That
way,
you
have
an
idea
exactly
what
expenses
we're
going
to
have
if
any.
B
D
B
Yeah,
I
think
this
time
look
at
your
schedule
first
and
then
we
decide,
but
those
two
items
like
the
wages
they
need
to
be
wages
review.
We
need
to
discuss
that.
That's
something
we've
been
waiting
for
a
long
time
to
have,
and
then
the
the
budget,
the
project's
priority
list.
D
Well
again,
just
remember
you
know,
and
I
maybe
need
to
hear
some
input
from
all
the
board
members,
but
your
first
second
and
third
budget
work
session.
Obviously
your
your
your
board
budget
advisory
board
is
hearing
the
you
know
the
nuts
and
bolts
and
the
smaller
things
I
envision
a
lot
of
those
three
workshops.
D
B
With
the
exception
of
last
year,
we
only
had
two
work
sessions,
two
budget
work
sessions.
Last
year
we
needed
three,
and
this
year
you
have
schedule
three
budget
work
session,
so
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
cover
that.
A
Mayor,
I
just
wanna
make
sure.
Last
year
we
had
and
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
we
had
some
problems
and
it
wasn't
so
much.
It
was
a
little
bit
of
a
disappointment
in
that
we
wound
up
not
really
addressing
everything
with
some
of
the
projects.
A
Mr
herring
is
going
to
have
to
turn
the
crank
in
order
for
things
to
work
is
what
I'm
getting
at.
I
and
I
don't.
I
understand
what
you're
saying
there's
a
lot
on
the
plate
already,
but
we
we
need
to
actually
do
it.
I
mean
I
don't
know
it
any
other
way.
I
I
don't
want
to
wind
up
going
through
kind
of
a
repeat
of
and
that
weren't
we
accepted
last
year
because
we
didn't
have
any
time
we're
going
to
complain
over
spilt
milk.
A
It
was
over
with,
but
right
now
as
we're
speaking
right
now,
we've
got
some
time
to
change
what
we
went
through
last
year
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
happen
and-
and
there
won't
be,
that
spilt
milk
last
year
this
I
know
you're.
Looking
like
oh
you
know,
you
know,
this
is
what
I'm
expecting
tonight
sort
of
thing,
but.
D
No,
I
know
we
keep
having
these
things
piled
up,
because
I
keep
mentioning
when
you
keep
at
when,
when
the
board
keeps
adding
worse
sessions.
Town
hall
sessions,
they're
all
good,
but
when
you
start
looking
at
schedules
and
a
full
board
of
commissioners,
you
end
up
with
these
dates
here
that
bunch
together.
D
So
it's
not
a
staff
thing
or
anything
about
how
many
meetings,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
this
board
knows
you
know
how
many
many
meetings
do
you
want
me
to
schedule
in
there
and
for
what
all
I
need
to
know
that
and
I'll
plug
I'll
plug
in
the
date
I
say
hopefully
in
a
week
or
two
I'll
know
about
if
the,
if
the
29th
and
the
22nd,
those
are
two
open
dates.
We
don't
need
a
meeting.
A
I
want
to
be
clear:
I'm
not
asking
you
to
do
or
agree
to
anything
tonight.
Okay,
all
I
was
asking
was
to
identify
specific
things
that
we
need
to
do
and
you
know
think
about
it,
but
leave
it
up
to
the
commission
as
to
whether
they
think
it's
too
aggressive
of
a
schedule
or
not,
and
that
way
we
can
talk
about
it.
We're
not
going
to
solve
it.
Tonight
is
what
I'm
getting
at
so.
D
B
G
A
I
just
I
just
want
to
personally
thank
actually
on
if,
on
behalf
of
the
commission,
thank
the
tarpon
springs.
Police
department.
Tarpon
springs
fire
department
for
an
exceptionally
outstanding
ceremony
commemoration
of
memorial
day.
D
A
He
gave
me
a
little.
The
history
and-
and
you
chief
young,
have
inherited
this
from
another
person
that
had
been
doing
this
and
I
I
think
it's
just
a
great
way
to
combine
departments
with
the
honor
guard
and
everything
and
show
solidarity
and
and
a
lot
of
people
out
there.
Just
it
wasn't
just
showing
up
and
waving
the
flag.
It
was
a
very
heartfelt
event
and
somber
event,
which
is
what
it
should
be
on
memorial
day
a
day
of
remembrance
so,
and
I
think
sergeant
mathis
had
it
right.
A
B
You
I
also
like
to
congratulate
to
thank
the
police
department
and
everybody
involved.
I
also
like
to
thank
the
elk
scott
for
providing
the
meal
for
everybody.
I
think
they
do
that
every
year,
and
I'm
very
appreciative
to
that.
B
G
B
It
was
a
lot
of
people
watch
that
so
I'm
very
grateful
to
that
for
that.
I
attended
the
east
lake
high
school
graduation
this
morning,
and
I
want
to
thank
for
the
invitation
that
I
received
and
the
opportunity
to
be
part
of
the
ceremony.
I
am
very
I'm
so
proud
for
all
the
students
that
they.
B
Especially
to
see
my
granddaughter
graduating
today,
so
congratulate
congratulations
to
my
alexis
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
attend.
The
tarpon
springs
high
school
graduation,
which
is
going
to
be
thursday.
I
believe
it's
3
p.m
and
it'd
be
an
honor
to
be
part
of
the
ceremony.
So
that's
all
I
have
and.
A
Could
you
how
about
tomorrow's
ceremony
for
the
historic
district.
A
No,
I
think
I
did
that
at
11
a.m.
We're
going
to
have
a
formal
ceremony
for
dedicating
the
the
plaque
for
our
historic
district
at
the
corner
of
tarpon
avenue
and
in
pinellas
mother
mears
park,
and
I
thought
both
commissioner
edgars
and
commissioner
justice
will
be
there,
but
right
now,
it's
it
just
shows
justice.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
D
It
does
that
request.
Commissioner
edgar's
office
call
and
he's
going
to
be
running
a
tight
schedule.
A
D
He
said
that
they'd
prefer
mr
justice
to
make
the
comments
for
the
commissioners
and
then
he'd,
be
there
he'd
be
there,
but
it
was
from
his
office
request
with
his
schedule
and
not
knowing.
If
he's
going
to
be
there,
be
there
a
little
late
or
whatever
he
didn't
want
to
be
on
the
program
without
a
solid
commitment.
So
he
asked
that
commissioner
justice
make
the
statement
from
the
county
commission.
B
Thank
you,
thank
you,
you
know,
and
you
did
because
I
didn't
write
it
down,
but
and
also
I
want
to
make
sure
people
understand
that
this
is
a
a
joint
effort.
That's
an
initiative
of
the
pinellas
county
commission,
as
well
as
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
so
it's
inviting
everybody
to
be
there
at
11
o'clock.