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A
A
I
would
like
to
remind
to
everyone
in
order
to
have
a
productive
meeting
with
professionalism
based
on
the
city
code.
All
public
comments
must
be
directed
only
to
the
chair
of
the
meeting
in
a
professional
manner
with
respect
without
a
personal
attacks.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
cooperation
and
we're
now
going
to
the
public
comments
on
the
items
that
will
now
be
discussed
this
evening.
If
you
have
any
comments,
please
come
forward
to
the
podium
state.
Your
name
and
address
for
the
record
you'll
be
given
four.
A
C
C
A
Thank
you.
The
only
item
that
we
have
on
the
agenda
tonight
is
the
town
hall,
discussion
of
homeless
issue
and,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
take
this
opportunity
to
welcome
everyone
to
thank
you
for
being
here
tonight
to
this
town
hall
meeting
and
to
provide
us
with
with
your
input
tonight
we'll
be
addressing
a
very
important
and
sensitive
issue
of
homeless,
and
your
input
is
very
important
to
us
collectively
tonight
we
must.
We
need
to
come
up
with
a
solution
to
this
important
issue
in
our
city.
A
A
A
Then
mrs
jacobs
will
be
reading
any
correspondence
that
we
have
any
correspondence
we
received.
Then
we're
going
to
see
if
we
have
anyone
on
zoom
that
wants
to
speak
on
this
item.
After
all
that
the
public
portion
of
the
meeting
will
be
closed
and
we're
going
to
go
to
the
board
of
commissioners
comments
in
discussion.
A
Okay,
okay
and
now
I
would
like
to
invite
to
the
podium
the
service
providers,
and
I
would
like
to
start
with
the
shepherd
center.
E
E
My
suggestion
to
this
board
would
be
that
we
would
find
property
at
least
15
20
000
square
feet
in
the
outskirts
of
tarpon
springs,
where
we
can
provide
transitional
housing
for
20
to
30
individuals,
two
beds
per
room
and
provide
shelter
and-
and
it
would
be
just
limited
to
the
of
tarpon-
springs
palm
harbor
dunedin
and
crystal
beach,
which
are
the
surrounding
areas
here
that
are
closest
transitional
or
supportive.
Housing
and
homeless
shelters
can
help
stabilize
with
mental
health
issues,
substance
abuse
and
for
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
example
of
this
program.
E
It's
not
only
getting
the
property
and
putting
in
the
amenities
you
know
kitchen
and
and
bedrooms,
and
having
an
open
space
for
shelter
and
an
open
space
that
we
can
conduct
workshops.
It
would
be
just
providing
a
program
for
everyone
for
all
the
people
that
are
involved
so
that
we
can
teach
them
that
we
can
educate
them.
Prepare
them
to
become
self-sufficient,
have
a
one-to-one
case.
E
Worker
working
with
them
provide
mental
counseling
mental
health,
counseling
and
partnering
with
agencies
that
offer
alcoholism
and
substance
abuse
programs
provide
group
workshops,
financial,
you
know
giving
them
financial
education.
E
E
We
would
have.
We
would
train
them
to
be
on
the
job
provided
by
the
the
shepherd
center
and,
most
importantly,
we
would
have
a
kitchen
that
would
prepare
all
the
meals
and
we
would
be
able
to
serve
our
homeless
in
that
particular
area.
E
We
are
currently
seeking
a
grant
that
would
provide
stipends
for
homeless
individuals
so
that
they
can
start
working
by
providing
these
stipends.
They
can
be
trained
to
work.
Currently,
we
have
hired
the
shepherd
center.
We
have
tested
this
and
we
have
hired
five
homeless
individuals
through
the
help.
E
Through
the
help
center,
they
have
bathe,
they
have
they
have
we
provide
them
with
the
clothing,
we
provide
them
with
washer
and
dryer,
and
we
have
a
system
in
place
where
the
manager,
the
supervisor
of
the
hope
center
she
has
done
resumes
and
and
provided
help
for
those
needing
jobs,
she's,
also
working
and
helping
them
get
their
stimulus
checked.
Now.
All
of
you
know
that
the
shepherd
center
is
also
a
mailing
house
for
the
for
the
homeless
and
underprivileged.
Whoever
needs
it
because
we
don't
just
service
the
homeless.
E
We
service,
everyone
in
tarpon
springs
that
needs
help
with
food
furniture
housewares,
whatever
social
services
with
duke
energy
with
bus
passes
with
birth
certificates.
We
pay
for
all
of
that,
so
that
they
can
start
getting
whatever
papers
that
they
need.
We
also
have
resources.
We
try
to
put
them
in
resources
with
the
housing
authority
to
try
to
get
apartments,
etc.
E
E
You
know
in
order
to
help
our
community
and-
and
I
will
say
to
the
chief,
that
you
have
exceptional
officers
that
are
there
when
we
call
them
that
if
we
have
a
problem
with
someone
that
is
having
a
bad
day
I'll
say
you
know
mentally,
etc
and
they
come
and
and-
and
you
know
we
just
they-
they
take
them
off
the
property,
and
then
they
come
back
the
next
day
and
they
apologize
to
us.
You
know
miss
ada.
Can
we
come
back?
E
Can
we
you
know
get
food?
Of
course
you
can
get
food,
no
one
at
the
shepherd
center,
whether
they're
under
privileged,
whether
they're
homeless
is
denied
food.
Like
I
told
someone,
I
don't
care
if
they
come
from
pasco,
I
don't
care
if
they
come
from
new
york,
which
I'm
from
new
york
and
they
need
boxes
of
food.
We
provide
all
the
food
for
everyone
in
need.
We
have
been
blessed
blessed
by
god
that
we
have
gone
in
2020
over
2
million
pounds
of
food
that
we
have
provided
to
organizations.
E
E
we
had
a
psychophrenic
young
lady
who
was
for
four
years,
walking
the
streets
and
and-
and
you
know,
didn't
trust
anyone
wouldn't
eat,
because
she
thought
that
the
food
was
poison,
but
little
by
little
we
worked
with
her.
We
worked
with
her.
We
would
talk
to
her.
We
got
her
involved
and
the
bottom
line
is
that
today,
the
young
lady
volunteers,
at
our
outreach
program
through
help
through
medication,
we
had
another
person
that
you
know
he
was
mentally
disabled,
but
with
medication.
E
E
If
we
build
those
relationships,
we
can
help
people
to
to
to
to
become
active
in
their
community.
They
don't
want
to
be
sleeping
in
the
street.
They
don't
want
to
be.
You
know
without
food
or
with
anything
you
know,
they're
human
beings,
that
have
no
other
choice,
and
if
we
don't
treat
them
with
passion
and
consideration,
they
will
react.
E
We
have
had
people
come
in
that
one
one
per
one,
one
of
our
homeless,
okay,
the
hope
center.
They
went
on
facebook,
they
found
family,
the
brother
came
from
saint
augustine,
picked
up
his
brother
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
to
see
to
help
them
find
their
families.
We
have
a
mental
health
coordinator
and
I'm
going
fast,
because
I
know
that
you
know,
but
we
have
a
mental
health
coordinator
that
has
successfully
counseled
at
least
186
in
2020,
and
this
is
just
the
beginning.
E
E
E
We
don't
have
rooms
for
them
to
sleep
in,
but
if
we
were
to
build
collectively
and
get
a
property
and
get
the
right
programs,
because
it's
not
just
getting
a
shelter
or
having
rooms
or
housing
for
people
just
to
sleep
and
know
you
got
to
have
programs
that
are
going
to
help
them
become
successful.
Citizens
of
this
tarpon
springs
of
our
city.
E
E
A
You
please
remain
at
the
point
we'd
like
to
ask
you
a
few
questions.
Yes,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
will
start
by
thanking
you
for
the
services
that
you're
providing
to
the
people
of
tarpon
springs.
E
We
serve
well,
we
started
with
50
and
then
the
following
year
it
came
up
to
100.
Last
year,
2020
we
were
serving
anywhere
from
two
to
three
hundred
a
day
now
understand
something
we're
only
open
four
days
a
week,
because
the
fifth
day
from
10
to
1,
30,
monday,
tuesday,
thursdays
and
fridays
on
wednesdays,
we
provide
boxes
of
food
to
our
homebound
people,
seniors
that
can't
get
out
or
disabled
and
at
four
o'clock
we
provide
boxes
of
food
in
in
low.
E
Those
are
the
people
when
you
see
the
numbers
in
that
report
of
the
community
meals,
which
is
the
community
meals.
We
count
how
many
meals
were
provided
during
that
month
or
during
that
year.
So
maybe
one
person
is
really
hungry
or
he
wants
to
take
some
for
some
food
for
the
night
and
we'll
give
him
two
bags
now
we're
serving
in
bags
because
of
the
covet
we'll
give
two
bags
or
three
bags.
E
Sometimes
it's
just
one,
sometimes
we'll
just
give
them
and
they're
all
hot
meals,
and
sometimes
we
were
able
to
provide
hot
meals
and
a
sandwich
because,
like
we
know
that
by
the
by
four
o'clock,
five
o'clock
they'll
be
hungry
again.
So
in
that
report
you
will
see
that
community
catches
is
not
how
many
people
we
have
that
we
did
thirty,
seven
hundred
or
thirty.
Four
hundred
thousand
people
is
how
many
meals
we
provided.
Okay,.
A
Out
of
the
100
people
that
you
serve
in
daily
are
how
many
of
those
people
are
residents
in
tarpon
springs.
E
Are
from
tarpon
and
they're,
you
know,
and
and
they
come
in
all
they're
white
they're,
greeks
they're,
you
know
blacks,
but
the
majority
of
our
people.
Okay,
are
the
people
that
live
in
this
community.
E
They're
coming
from-
and
I
will
tell
you
these-
were
the
numbers
that
we
had,
probably
in
2019,
because
as
of
2020,
we
would
we
have
people
coming
from
saint
petersburg
or
clearwater,
because
they
have
no
place
where
they
can
find
food.
We
have
people
coming
from
all
over.
We
had
done
a
partnership
with
feeding
america
in
last
june,
where
we
wanted,
where
they
wanted
us
to
provide
boxes
of
food
to
different
counties
in
florida,
where
it
was
seatress,
hillsboro
different
counties.
E
So
we
said:
okay,
it
was,
it
was
a
drive-through
and
what
happened
was
that
and
I
was
working
with
officer
boone
during
that
time.
What
happened
was
that
peop
cars
were
lined
up
from
the
bayou
down
line
street,
then
banana
and
turning
on
boyer,
and
there
were
so
many
people
and
that
you
know
trying
to
get
food
and
by
the
end
of
the
month
I
told
feeding
america.
We
could
not
do
it
because
we
were
not
in
a
community.
E
E
We
have
over
200
to
300
a
day
four
times
a
week,
and
there
are
people
from
our
community
and
they
may
be
coming
some
people
from
clear
water
or
from
saint
peter's,
whoever
whoever
is
looking
for
food
that
they
drive
down
to
the
shepherd
center,
because
there
is
no
food.
Mr
mayor,
there
is
no
food
up.
What
they
give
them
is
a
little
box.
This
is
what
I've
been
told:
little
a
little
bag.
E
F
I've
got
a
few
questions,
thank
you
for
being
here
tonight
and
talking
about
some
of
the
items.
I've
just
got
a
few
questions
that
I
just
like
some
clarity
on
I'm
just
curious
about
the
shepherd
center.
E
Well,
we
have
our
president,
who
can
be
here
tonight,
john
consolino.
We
have
the
vice
president,
the
vice
president
of
reverend
melody
kidd.
We
have
our
treasurer
reverend
bob
kinney.
We
have
our
secretary,
which
is
sherry
piscatali,
and
we
also
have
a
communications
and
marketing
person
on
our
executive
board.
Her
name
is
juliet
adams
on
the
board.
We
have
george
brown,
we
have
annie
dabbs.
These
are
people
from
churches.
We
have.
E
Tom
henderson,
from
the
from
the
church
and
just
a
few
others
beverly,
graham
and
maria,
from
saint
nicholas.
We
try
to
have
one
representative
from
the
churches
that
we
serve
here
in
tarpon
springs.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
How
many
paid
staff
members
are
on
the
shepherd
center's
team.
E
Paid
staff
members
we
have
staff
between
staff
and
contractual,
we
may
have
about
26.
H
F
So
you
brought
up
the
city
of
palm
harbor
safety,
harbor,
oldsmar
and
tarpon
springs.
Do
you
see
much
of
a
impact
from
pasco
county
that
comes
into
tarpon
springs
the
shepherd
center
at
all.
E
We
have
people
that
are
across
the
street
from
holiday.
Coming
in
what
we
do
is
we
provide
food
now,
pasco
county
had
started
coming
in
in
2020
because
the
places
like-
but
I
don't
I'm
not
gonna,
say
names,
they
were
closed.
They
could
not
get
food.
We
called
ourselves
to
make
sure
that
that
was
true
and
we
couldn't
get
anybody
on
the
phone,
but
we
did
tell
them.
These
are
emergency
foods.
E
You
have
to
be
able
to
get
your
food
at
pasco
county,
but
again
vice
president,
we
don't
deny
food
to
anyone.
F
F
It's
very
so
I
see
that
the
property
that
you
guys
are
in
right
now
was
purchased
in
2016
for
1.2
million.
Do
you
have
any
debt
in
that
property.
F
Okay,
so
you
brought
up
a
solution
of
acquiring
some
piece
of
land
or
some
piece
of
property
outs
in
a
different
part
of
tarpon
springs
or
in
the
area.
F
F
E
E
Yes,
but
the
services
would
be
more
at
the
other
place.
We
still
have
to
get
our
food
there
I
mean
we
have
different
departments,
it's
not
just
the
hope
center
and
it's
not
just
the
outreach.
We
have
our
pantry,
that
we
have
to
staff
and
and
and
get
the
food
from
it's
all
in
our
community.
Where
we
get
the
food
from,
we
have
the
thrift
store.
We
have
the
administrative
and
we
also
need
to
have
a
continuous.
We
have
a
lot
of
people
in
that
area
that
need
assistance.
E
Now,
if
we
were
to
move
everything
out
of
where
we
are
at
what
happens
to
the
people
that
are
living
there,
that
can't
travel
to
a
far
away
a
place.
F
So
were
you
there,
let's
see
20
20.
I
E
G
E
Came
in,
I
think
that
they
occupied
it
in
january
or
or
february
of
2016.
I
came
in
in
june
of
2016.
F
E
F
E
I
live
right,
bayou
village
drive.
F
I
think
those
are
just:
let's
see,
do
you
feel
there's
an
issue
in
tarpon
springs
at
all,
with
homelessness
or
vagrancy,
or
chronic
homelessness.
E
Well,
of
course,
there
is
an
issue
I
mean
we're
here
today
and
we've
come
to
certain
meetings,
but
we
have
been
working
to
try
to
resolve
that
the
hope
center
just
opened
in
august,
which
is
one
a
big
thing
that
happened
because,
through
the
hope
center
we
we've
been
able
to
get
the
people
to
come
in
before.
As
you
know,
they
were
in
different
churches,
all
over
tarpon,
now
they're
coming
to
the
shepherd
center,
the
hopes
and
and
what
we've
started
to
do
is
build
relationships.
E
F
F
J
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
coming
tonight,
as
well
as
everybody
else
in
the
audience.
Obviously,
this
is
a
sensitive
topic
that
we're
discussing
has
been
for
for
quite
a
while.
So
obviously
the
shepherd
center
is
doing
a
lot
of
positive
things
for
people
not
only
within
the
community
but
in
the
surrounding
community.
So
there's
there's
no
reason
to
try
and
take
away
from
that.
J
So
I
want
to
congratulate
you
on
that,
but
also
hope
that
tonight,
and
through
the
coming
weeks
and
months,
you'll
you'll
work
with
us
and
trying
to
find
a
compromise
that
fits
for
the
the
concerns
with
the
other
members
of
the
community
that
are
experiencing.
J
You
know,
vandalism
and
just
other
issues
that
are
associated
with
some
of
the
homeless
homelessness
that
we're
trying
to
work
towards.
So
the
mayor
has
some
really
good
questions,
as
did
the
vice
mayor.
One
of
the
things
that
I'd
like
to
get
a
little
bit
more
information
about
is
the
a
program.
I
think
you
you
named
it
as
feeding
america.
E
Okay,
feeding,
america,
it's
a
national
organization
that
receives
donated
food
and
provides
it
nationwide
to
all
the
communities
or
people
in
distressed
communities.
Let
me
repeat:
feeding
america
through
feeding
america,
we
are
able
to
get
food
from
about.
E
I
would
say
about
15
about
15
supermarkets
and
grocery
stores,
where
they
donate
their
food,
so
that
we
can
provide
it
to
the
to
the
people
that
are
in
need.
J
And
you
you
mentioned
that
when
the
vice
mayor
asks
you
something
regarding
your
your
funding
in
your
budget,
and
I
was
hoping
to
get
a
little
bit
more
information
about
that.
You
said
you
mentioned
something
about
two
dollars:
a
pound.
E
Yeah,
that's
their
that's
how
they
that
well,
that's
what
they
do.
I'm
sorry
I'm
losing
it
here,
but
you
know
that's
how
they
value
the
pound
of
food,
that
everyone
gets
so
everyone
you
know,
and-
and
this
is
a
term
used
more
in
grants
food.
E
So
the
value
of
the
food
is
two
dollars
per
pound.
E
Well,
it's
a
it's
it's
something
that
was
programmed
into
their
program
to
say.
If
you
are
looking
for
a
grant.
If
this
is
how
much
food
they
just
put
a
value
on
the
food,
it's
two
dollars
per
pound
and
when
I
came
in
that's
what
I
knew
two
dollars
per
pound.
J
E
Correct
so
that's
the
that's
the
operating
budget,
our
operating
budget
that
we
get
throughout
the
year
from
donors.
It
could
be
grants
whatever
that's
our
but
that
we
make
from
the
thrift
store.
That's
the
budget
that
I
am
telling
that's
what
we
make
sure
the
two,
the
two
million
dollars,
which
you
know,
two
million
pounds
of
food,
which
is
then
stated
as
two
dollars
per
pound-
becomes
four
million
dollars.
E
Okay,
that's
something
that
it's
taken
out!
It's
put
into
the
the
the
income
statement
and
then
it's
just
squashed
in
the
expense
statement,
so
that
you
know
it.
E
To
be
in
there,
so
that
if
we,
you
know
when
we
apply
for
grants
and
we're
getting
food
from
feeding
america,
it
has
to
be
in
there,
but
it
squashes
it.
Okay,
when
you
look
at
a
p
l,
when
you
look
at
our
balance
sheet,
it's
on
our
balance
sheet
that
that
money
is
squashed
from
the
income
to
the
expense.
J
J
J
E
It
doesn't
help
because,
when
you
read
the
when,
when
you
know,
we
have
to
provide
a
p
l,
which
is
a
profit
and
loss
report,
and
when
you
read
that
report
okay,
it's
you
can
see
that
it
states
that
this
is
what
came
in,
because
the
two
dollars
would
be
of
income.
But
then
it's
subtracted
or
squashed
in
the
expenses.
E
E
Saying
you
know
I
never
thought
of
it
that
way.
You
know
we
just
you
know,
prepare
our
reports
and
that's
what
we
put
in.
I
never
thought
of
it,
as
you
know,
when
you,
when
you
apply
for
a
grant
you're
applying
for
a
specific
grant
now,
unless
you're
applying
for
a
food
grant
for
a
monies,
for
you
know
food
which
becomes
monies
that
you
use,
whether
it's
for
the
trucks
that
pick
up
the
foods
or
deliver
the
foods
or
the
deliveries
to
the
homebound
etc.
E
When
you
apply
for
that
money,
how
you
know
and
you
and
you
do
put
how
much
money,
how
much
food
you're
getting
from
feeding
america
and
they
all
know
that
it's
two
dollar
value?
E
Okay,
yes,
that
may
help
to
say
hey
they're
feeding
people,
but
if
you're
applying
for
a
grant
that
it's,
whether
it's
operating
expense,
whether
it's
you
know
when
I
applied
for
the
mental
health
counselor
to
come
in
that
I
applied
from
allegheny
and
to
apply
for
a
person
to
do
our
phmis
to
keep
track
of
the
people,
the
tracking,
a
data
that
you
know,
whoever
has
the
phmis
you
can
find
out.
E
To
be
able
to
deal
with
all
the
applications
etc
from
our
clients,
and
we
were
able
to
get
a
grant
to
get
that
staffing
now,
I'm
sure
that
they
didn't
look
at
the
food
and
they're
not
concerned
with
the
food
and
we've
had
other
grants.
You
know
we
have
grants
to
help
us.
E
You
know
with
you
know
when
we
pay
outreach
when
we
pay
that
we
give
so
much
money
out
whether
it's
paying
their
duke
energy
bill,
whether
it's
paying
this,
whether
it's
the
people
that
work
there,
those
are
the
programs,
that's
what
we
apply
for
the
people
that
are
doing
the
sorting,
the
people
that
you
know
are
doing
the
driving.
Those
are
the
type
of
grants
that
we
apply.
E
B
J
The
grants
work,
you
mentioned
the
two
dollars
a
pound,
so
I
figured
I
would
inquire
about
it.
So
if
someone
posed
the
question
or
asked
for
a
solution,
hey
the
residents
in
the
business
community
are
starting
to
have
grave
concerns,
with
some
of
the
homeless
population
and
areas
of
town,
the
this
district
that
district
whatever.
As
the
director
of
the
shepherd
center
you're
you're
thinking,
the
solution
is
to
find
another
facility,
in
addition
to
the
facility
that
you
have
what
hold
on
one.
Second.
E
That's
it's
an
in
addition
to
everything
that
we
do.
It's
not
that
we're
gonna
move
out
now
we
have
had
this
conversation
before
I
know
you
were
in
here,
but
we
have
tried
working
to
try
to
find
some
solutions,
and
you
know
it's
always.
We
have
meetings
etc,
but
everyone,
the
this
board,
the
community
members,
the
organizations
that
we
work
with
everyone,
the
chief
he
was
yeah.
I
think
he
was
at
one
of
those
meetings.
We
all
want
to
be
able
to
have
a
resolution.
E
There
is
no
resolution,
you
can
get
a
bus
and
put
every
homeless
person
in
tarpon
springs
and
take
them
to
another
state,
and
I
will
guarantee
you
that
by
the
end
of
the
week
there
will
be
others
coming
in
and
those
who,
those
homeless
people
who
were
brought
up.
We
have
about
30
homeless
people
that
were
brought
up
in
tarpon
springs
that
may
have
left.
Tarpon
springs
at
one
point,
but
they're
in
this
situation.
E
E
We
are
trying
to
find
a
solution
on
how
to
help
this
homeless
people,
whether
it's
to
find
that
their
families,
so
that
they
can
be
taken
care
of
whether
to
put
them
in
institutions
like
mental
health
or
alcoholism
that
they
that
they
will
start
getting
help
or
just
you
know,
they're
just
down
in
their
luck.
All
they
need
is
a
place
to
live
and
we
help
them
find
jobs.
And
now,
with
the
shepherd
center
we're
able
to
provide
showers,
we
give
them
the
the
proper
clothes
and
they're
able
to
find
jobs.
E
E
Some
of
those
people
that
we
were
talking
about
at
the
last
time
are
today
they're,
either
dead
or
they
they've
died
from
cancer.
They
died
from
got
hit
by
a
car
or
they're
no
longer
here
a
lot
of
them.
E
So
you
know
we
have
in
our
community
two
three
that
are
disruptive
and
when
we
have
talked
to
some
people
which
are
the
homeless
but
they're
people,
and
when
we
have
spoken
to
them
and
said
why
are
you
doing
this
we're
getting
these
complaints?
Why
are
you
doing
that?
E
E
E
E
E
My
intent
is
to
have
that
gazebo
moved,
but
in
the
meantime
I
will
tell
you
that
we
have
plastered
the
gazebo
with
no
no
trespassing.
No,
this
known
of
that,
and
I
am
going
to
tell
you
honestly,
that
it
has
made
a
95
impact
that
they're
not
going
into
the
gazebo.
We
also
have
a
bus
stop
where
people
are
waiting
for
buses
and
if
they
need
to
get
out
of
the
rain.
If
they
need
to
get
out
of
the
sun,
they
they
try
to
cover
themselves
under
the
gazebo.
E
K
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here
tonight.
I
appreciate
the
work
that
the
shepherd
center
does.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
do.
K
K
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
gauge
your
experience
based
on
how
you
know
the
entire
county
overall
dealt
with
covet
19
and
a
pretty
common
theme
that
we
saw
was
you
know
due
to
social
distancing
guidelines,
the
shelter
numbers
were
almost
halved
overnight,
and
so
that
led
to
a
lot
more
homeless
individuals
being
out
on
the
street
needing
to
get
help
and
same
thing
with
street
outreach
a
lot
of
street
outreach
programs.
Some
of
them
still
aren't
back
into
existence
because
of
social
distancing
or
honestly
just
the
risks
that
come
with
it
right
now.
E
E
E
Tuesday,
wednesday,
friday,
friday,
saturday
and
sun
and
friday
saturday,
we
just
give
them
bags
on
sundays,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
volunteers
that
cook
for
us
that
are
church
growers.
E
We
provide
a
bag
of
food
and
it
could
be
two
from
one
to
two
and
and
we
have
continued
to
have
on
thursdays
from
10
30.
I
think
it
is
to
11
30..
E
We
have
continued
to
serve
at
saint
timothy,
where
the
pastor,
pastor,
kurt,
will
sing,
worship,
songs
will
give
sermons,
talk
to
the
people
and
just
help
them
with
the
spiritual,
and
we
decided
to
do
it
that
way,
because
we
wanted
one
day
where
we
can
clean
our
facilities
and
pastor
kurt
was
so
you
know
this
is
his
mission.
This
is
his
passion.
E
You
know
it's
something
that
we
were
not
gonna.
Take
it
away
from
him
that
this
is
something
that
he
does
and
gave
us
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
clean
our
stoves
or
clean
clean.
The
the
refrigerators
and
clean
our
office
space.
K
E
Yes,
now
we're
not
talking
now,
you're
talking
the
homeless
population
and
the
underprivileged,
we
serve
those
two
populations
both
and
yes,
under
the
the
the
under
privilege,
our
numbers
went
sky
high,
because
people
are
just
looking
for
food.
We
had
somebody,
you
know
who
who
who
told
us?
Okay,
you
know
we
I'm.
I
have
a
good
job.
You
know
I
made
50
000.,
it's
not
gonna
be.
E
Is
that
gonna
prevent
me
from
getting
food,
and
we
said
no,
we
have
people,
we
have
had
nurses
and
people
needing
food
that
they
don't
have
enough
coming
to
the
shepherd
center
to
get
that
one
or
two
boxes
of
food
for
their
families
and
our
homeless.
Our
homeless
have
remained
the
same.
I
feel
that
some
of
them
have
decreased
because
they
have
just
gone
elsewhere.
We
used
to
have
65
people,
70
people,
you
know
getting
hot
meals.
We
don't
get
that
anymore
and
understand
something.
Commissioner,
it's
not
only
the
homeless.
E
We
had
families
that
would
come
with
their
children
to
get
meals
so
the
homeless.
Is
you
know
it?
It's
a
vast
variety
of
people
who
have
no
homes,
that's
what
homelessness.
They
don't
have
a
home
to
sleep
in,
but
they
live
in
their
cars
and
now,
through
the
hope
center.
What
we
want
to
do
is
be
able
that
they
will
feel
dignity
by
taking
that
shower.
E
My
program
supervisor,
you
know
had
a
homeless
person
that
he
was
a
little
and
he
told
her
he's
in
he's
in
a
hospital.
He
is
in
an
alcoholism
hospital
I
mean.
Does
anybody
know,
bear
he's
in
an
alcoholism?
E
Commissioner,
tara
penny,
we
can
work
together
to
be
able
to.
You
know
we
will
do
whatever
we
need
to
do
to
work
together
with
you
and
anybody
else
that
to
be
able
to
face
these
concerns
that
we
have
in
our
community.
G
A
Thank
you,
commissioners,.
L
L
So
much
I
spent
a
couple
of
hours
with
ms
dale
geiss
earlier
today
and
actually
was
at
the
shepherd
center
yesterday
as
well.
One
thing
I've
learned
is
that
the
shepherd
center
is
a
very
complicated
business.
It's
very
broad,
comprehensive
and-
and
I
made
it
clear
to
ms
dale
geiss-
I
I'm
not
I'm
not
going
to
be
interested
in
solving
the
country's
problems
with
a
homeless.
L
The
the
15
000
square
feet
that
you
mentioned
was
the
building.
Is
that
correct
that
you
were
talking
about?
Yes?
Okay,
so
we
would
need
three
or
four
acres
that
would
go
along
with
that
from
the
standpoint
of
of
making
that
building
fit
and
providing
parking
and
so
forth.
L
The
the
the
housing,
the
temporary
housing
would
be
in
what
form
of
the
interior.
E
So
what
I'm?
Looking
at
as
a
plan,
it
would
be
that
we
would
have
at
least
let's
say
10
to
15
rooms,
two
beds,
each
which
would
be
a
transitional
housing
for
people
in
the
program
working
our
program,
and
then
we
would
have
a
space
for
the
people
needing
shelter
during
these
either
cold
weather
or
just
being
picked
up
from
the
community.
E
If
they're
sleeping
on
a
bench
and
I'll
use
that
right
sleeping
on
a
bench
that
you
know
the
officer
will
say
no,
where
you're
going
with
me
and
that
they
will
take
them
there.
E
This
program
is
transitional,
housing
and
shelter
that
we
would
want
to
have
a
kitchen
to
be
able
to
prepare
all
the
food
there
so
that
they
can
have
breakfast,
so
they
can
have
lunch
that
they
can
have
meals
and
that
the
people
that
we
are
serving
today
in
our
community
meals
program
that
they
can
have
a
place
to
go,
because
the
more
that
they
gather
together
the
more
building
of
relationship
we
will
have.
Now
that
is
not
the
tarpon
spring
shepherd
center.
E
That
would
be
tarpon
spring
shepherd
center
part
two
housing
and
sheltering
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
programs
when
it
comes
to
the
food
or
anything
that
we
do
here
at
304,
south
carolina
right.
I.
L
What
what
so,
the
idea,
if
there
is
a
an
issue
with
one
of
the
homeless
in
town
that
would
be
on
a
bench
or
something
it
would
be
a
locate,
a
place
that
the
police
could
pick
up
the
gentleman,
if
that's
within
our
policy,
policing
policy
to
take
him
to
the
shepherd
center
and
then
I'm
sorry.
The
the
relocation.
F
L
At
this
outskirts
of
the
city
and
place
them
there
until
whatever
the
issue
is
gets
resolved
and
I
understand
the
transitional
housing,
the
idea
was
with
that
that
the-
and
I
think
it's
the
idea,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
was
that
the
people
that
we
have
in
town
and-
and
I
know
you've
when
you
speak
of
things
it's
hard
for
you
to
when
you
speak
of
things
you,
you
speak
of
things
comprehensively.
L
my
interest
at
this
point,
because
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
business
of
the
shepherd
center
it.
I
don't
pretend
to
understand
it,
but
the
40
or
so
people
that
you
feed
daily
are
the
ones
that
that
come
in
get
fed
and
then
leave
again.
They
go
across
the
street
to
behind
the
tarpon
mini
mart
elsewhere.
L
L
E
Homeless,
that
needs
a
place
would
be
there.
Now
we,
the
40
people,
that
we
feed
through
the
the
community
meals
they're,
not
40,
homeless
people.
L
L
We
also
talked
about
a
bus,
stop
whether
there
was
any
requirement
that
you
would
need
to
be
near
a
bus
stop
and
it,
and
this
earlier
today
you
told
me
that
that
was
not
high
on
your
priority,
correct
so
and
then
also
the
area
would
be
somewhere
somewhat
a
little
more
remote
from
from
residential
housing
and
that
sort
of
thing,
for
example,
the
north
ancload
area,
would
be
a
location
not
necessarily
on
alternate
19
either.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
provide
some
additional
information
that
the
commission
may
be
interested
in.
L
I
think
the
idea
of
whatever
you
do
is
not
to
disrupt
the
operations
and
the
services
that
you
provide
at
the
at
the
shepherd
center.
For
example,
the
200
or
so,
which
is
people
that
are
somewhat
mobile,
could
still
come
in
and
pick
up.
Their
food
baskets
is
what
I
would
call
them
their
boxes
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
I
think
that's
what
you
were
talking
about,
so
the
food
would
still
continue
coming
into
the
shepherd
center
on
boyer
and
and
pinellas.
Is
that
correct?
That
is.
L
Your
thrift
shop
would
still
stay
there
and
everything
so
the
whole
idea
again
of
this
plan
for
relocating
the
what
I
would
call
your
your
homeless
services,
your
your
this
plan
would
be
for
the
homeless
that
we
see
walking
the
streets
with.
You
know,
shopping
carts
and
things
of
that
nature.
Just
for
clarification.
L
What
percentage
of
those
are
actually
do?
You
believe
that
are
actually
from
tarpon
springs,.
G
E
Believe
that
out
of
the
40
or
50
that
may
come
in
most
of
them,
80
percent
or
so
are
from
tarpon.
I
believe
that
we
have
the
majority
that
live
in
tarpon
that
are
from
tarpon.
We
have
that
small
percentage
that
come
from
clear
water
or
palm
harbor
that
they
don't
have,
you
know
anywhere
to
to
go
eat,
but
most
of
them
and
right
now
we
are
gathering
data
this
year.
This
is
our
the
next
step
that
we're
doing.
We
are
gathering
data
as
to
where
they
were
from
etc.
E
But
when
I
have
spoken
to
them,
they
have
given
me
the
stories
of
how
they
grew
up
here
in
tarpon,
what
they
did,
who
they
knew,
etc
and
then
what
they
applied
became.
You
know
they
moved
out
of
tarpon,
they
got
mad
or
whatever
it
was,
and.
E
L
And-
and
I
know
your
objective
is
not
necessarily
to
continue
feeding
the
40
you're,
always
trying
to
help
them
place
themselves
somewhere
in
society,
so
they're
not
dependent
on
the
shepherd
center.
I
know
you
and
I
discuss
that
as
well,
so
I
I
I
think,
that's
all
the
questions
I
have.
I.
I
know
that
it's
very
important
tonight
that
we
come
out
of
this
town
hall
meeting
with
some
I
would
hope,
plan,
or
at
least
some
concept
in
mind
that
we
could
give
the
city
manager
some
direction
to
pursue
further.
L
So
I
I
very
much
appreciate
you
being
here
and
expressing
that
and
giving
us
the
thoughts
of
what
you
have
for
a
pa,
a
plan.
I've
got
more
to
say
about
this,
but
I'm
going
to
wait
till
our
our
discussion.
Thank
you.
A
Mr
zayn,
I
have
one
more
question
to
ask
you:
how
many
places
do
we
have
in
tarpon
springs
that
they're
providing
meals
every
day.
E
A
E
No,
we
moved
everything
to
tarpon
springs
so
that
the
homeless
would
not
be
walking
to
the
churches
through
the
community
through
tarpon
road,
so
that
they
would
not
so
that
they
would
not
affect
the
businesses
and
we
moved.
Everything
to
tarpon
springs
that
they
come
in.
On
lime,
street.
A
E
So
that
that
it
doesn't
affect
the
our
neighbors.
E
A
M
N
N
I
make
some
notes
here,
but
he
that
went
through
everything
with
a
nice
report
that
he
gave
to
all
of
you
and
I'm
going
to
pick
up
here
and
there
a
few
things
for
a
short
time.
First,
I
want
to
remind
all
of
you.
I
know
all
of
you
being
the
big
cities
like
tamba,
saint
pete,
for
rotterdam
miami,
the
situation
with
the
homeless.
These
places
is
unbelievable
because
there's
no
control
and
some
turbo
springs
is
heaven
for
all
of
us
for
for
the
homeless
and
for
us
too,
the
reason
of
the
congress.
N
All
of
you
know
there
is
domestic
violence,
drugs,
alcohol,
vietnam
to
the
veterans
and
the
veterans
after
they
went
and
wounded
the
war
when
the
most
of
them
the
hype,
a
protected
people
didn't
go
there.
We
don't
treat
them
that
well
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
few
examples
to
show
a
parallel,
and
one
of
them
is
till
the
pandemic.
N
N
So
you
don't
see
anybody
around
the
library,
all
these
places
and
and
around
10
o'clock
used
to
come
the
policeman
with
a
young
lady
try
to
find
him
a
place
for
if
somebody
needs
a
place,
because
I
was
asking
some
time
down.
The
clear
water
clearwater
have
a
shelter
and
everything
was
very
nice,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
police
department
for
the
good
work
and
all
the
policemen.
They
were
two
three.
They
changed
all
of
them,
and
here
the
police
department
is
very
nice
with
the
homeless
and
the
homeless.
N
People
is
not
ashamed
to
be
accomplished
because
all
these
people
they
went
there
because
the
reason
was
other
without
control
by
them,
because
they're
out
of
money
and
the
point
of
where
they
are
now
for
us
to
treat
homeless
is
not
to
use
some
people
they're
using
the
word
clean
them
up
or
stuff
like
that,
it's
hard
to
treat
them
and
I
look
at
the
police.
I
read
the
paper
the
other
day.
They
say
about
the
benches
50
incidents
the
police
department
said.
N
But
if
you
look
at
the
report,
the
extents
there
were
loitering
talking
back,
we
have
on
the
records,
I
think,
eight
to
nine
or
ten,
the
most
people
who
are
alcoholics,
but
the
politicians
control
them
very
well,
but
the
most
vast
people
here
in
tarbon,
not
all
of
us
over
here,
but
some
of
us
they're
talking
to
them
they're
looking
back
at
them.
They
don't
respect
and
takes
you.
People
to
tanzania
doesn't
look
at
them,
call
them
names
stuff
like
that
they
respond.
N
N
We
moved
very
rapidly
moving
up
feeding
all
these
people,
as
you
mentioned,
and
I
see
it
every
day
the
people
coming
up
there
and
the
food
they
give
in
to
some
churches
organization
everywhere.
N
N
N
They
are
more
looking
better
and
every
time
you
see
them,
they
greet
you
nice
difference
of
day
and
night.
So
that's
all
of
us
here
because
I
know
like
you
care
as
much
as
all
of
us
do
the
same.
All
of
you.
I
know
all
of
you
to
find
a
solution,
but
the
most
of
all
we
need
to
give
back
respect
for
them.
Thank
you.
A
One
second,
mr
pilots,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
input.
Can
you
tell
me
if
saint
nicholas
in
any
service
to
the
homeless,
currently.
N
Yeah
every
monday
we
preach
the
the
meal
at
san
nicolas
kitchen
and
we
take
it
down
there
to
the
hope
center
because
to
the
pandemic,
we're
not
allowed
to
get
inside
he's
serving
it
over
there,
the
philadelphia
of
the
church
through
paying
bills,
electric
bills
and
whatever
needs
any
help,
and
during
the
holidays
we
try
to
help
them
with
gifts,
cards
and
everything.
So
we're
working.
But
the
main
the
main
pirinas
is
the
greek
word.
The
main
base
the
foundation
become
means
the
shepherd
center.
N
L
Thank
you,
mr
politis.
I
have
a
question
if,
if
ms
dale
guy's
plan
was
put
into
action
and
this
facility
was
located
on
the
outskirts
of
town,
would
I
know
you'd
have
to
get
the
church
council's
approval
on
this,
but
with
your
team
that
feeds
on
monday-
and
I
was
there
yesterday
as
well-
would
they
be
willing
to
go
out
to
this
other
location
and
feed
the
homeless
as
they
do
today?.
N
Yes,
I
just
make
a
little
suggestion
here,
commissioner
donavan
is
on
the
commission
down
pinellas
county
commission,
so
I
think
for
that
shelter
we're
talking
about
the
build
one
in
clearwater
and
sometimes
for
us
here,
the
lady
who
was
with
the
police
officer
with
the
with
the
with
the
homeless
ministry.
She
used
to
come
with
the
officer
and
she
used
to
ask
them
where
you
live
and
all
that
to
see
some
time
to
get
them
a
better
there.
So
commissioner,
donovan
knows
about
it.
He
talked
to
them
at
the
meeting
there.
L
To
make
sure
everybody
understood
that
the
the
saint
nicholas
greek
orthodox
cathedrals
does
not
feed
at
father
trifond
hall
anymore.
They,
the
team,
the
volunteers
from
the
church,
actually
go
to
the
shepherd
center
on
boyer
and
south
pine
ellison
and
dispense
the
food
at
that
location
right.
Okay,
thank
you
very.
O
O
I
get
an
email
from
the
county
telling
me
to
open
up
the
cold
night
shelter
here
in
tarpon
springs.
We
are
currently
using
the
boys
and
girls
club
on
lime
street,
just
a
block
away
from
the
shepherd
center.
We
we
have
been
open
three
times
so
far.
This
year
we
have
averaged
between
30
and
35
homeless,
men
and
women.
O
The
salvation
army
comes
around
seven
o'clock
in
the
evening
and
they
provide
a
hot
meal.
One
of
our
volunteers
comes
around
six
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
provides
a
hot
breakfast.
I
have
two
teams
of
maybe
20
people.
Each
one
team
will
coordinate
the
cold
night
shelter
on
a
given
night,
starting
at
around
six
o'clock.
In
the
evening
we
bring
out
all
of
the
mats
that
are
currently
in
our
storage
unit
right
on
the
boys
and
girls
club
property.
O
We
bring
in
all
of
the
now
the
masks
and
the
the
county
board
of
health
has
given
us
a
set
of
guidelines.
We
have
to
take
temperatures,
we
have
to
ask
questions
and
so
forth,
so
we
have
very
little
trouble
with
the
homeless.
O
I
think
in
the
five
or
six
years
that
I
have
coordinated
it,
maybe
one
time
I
had
to
call
the
police
and
ask
them
for
some
help.
The
homeless
are
very
grateful
for
the
service.
We
provide
a
warm
place
for
them
to
sleep
at
night
and
a
meal
at
night
and
a
meal
in
the
morning.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record
that
this
is
something
else
that's
being
done
here
in
tarpon
springs.
Thank
you.
A
That's
a
good
service,
mr
goddard,
can
you
hold
on
a
second,
please
sure
any
questions.
L
Hi,
mr
haddad,
if
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
stay
focused
tonight
on
ms
dale
guy's
plan.
If
she
succeeds
in
providing
transitional
housing
for
these
30
or
35,
which
I
assume
would
be
the
same
people
that
you're
discussing
right
now.
Yes,
would
your
team
be
willing
to
continue
providing
that
sort
of
support
on
cold
evenings,
although
they
will
be
in
transitional
housing,
but
there
may
be
some
other
need
like
with
the
salvation
army,
especially
on
cold
evenings,
in
a
manufactured
building.
L
That
is
probably
going
to
be
heated
anyway,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
think,
as
ms
dill
guy
said,
and
I
think
what
from
my
standpoint,
the
commission,
it
only
makes
sense
that
everybody
has
to
cooperate
in
this
manner
or
else
any
kind
of
plan.
Is
it
going
to
work
so
I'd
like
to
get
some
thought
on
your
part
of
whether
this
would
be
acceptable
to
participate
in
that
way
as
well.
O
Absolutely
we
would
be
delighted
to
help
in
any
way
we
can,
and
I
might
also
mention
I
have
recently
coordinated
a
a
group
of
about
seven
civic
groups
here
in
tarpon
springs
rotary,
the
odd
fellows
the
elks,
the
women's
club,
a
hepa
daughters
of
penelope,
the
american
legion.
We
have
met
several
times
and
we
are
also
very
concerned
about
the
homeless
problem
in
tarpon
springs
and
we,
as
a
group,
want
to
support
the
shepherd
center
as
their
plan
unfolds.
O
L
L
P
P
That's
just
as
true
today
is
when
it
came
out
all
of
those
powerpoint
presentations.
You
can
go
through
those
and
they're
all
still
relevant.
Today.
A
couple
updates.
We
no
longer
have
one
homeless
outreach
officer.
We
now
have
two.
We
asked
them
to
come
here
tonight,
officer,
palmer
and
officer.
Halaby
are
here
and
officer
boone
also
as
our
crime
prevention
officer,
also
steps
up
quite
a
bit
in
in
building
relationships
with
everybody
in
town
and
they've,
been
a
great
asset
to
us
and
appreciate
their
hard
work.
P
One
thing
I
would
have
added
to
the
powerpoint
presentation
that
the
chief
had-
and
I
would
probably
add
that
tonight
would
be
one
one
title
love
your
neighbor.
We
should
all
embrace
this
philosophy.
We
all
have
a
duty
to
help.
Those
in
need
covet
has
shown
us
all
that
any
one
of
us
can
fall
on
tough
times
and
are
all
vulnerable
and
may
need
some
help
one
day,
but
as
we
love
our
children,
we
also
hold
them
accountable
for
their
actions.
P
We
have
plenty
of
compassion
in
tarpon
springs
and
many
that
want
to
help
the
homeless,
but
few
that
want
to
hold
them
accountable
for
their
actions.
This
is
when
nearby
businesses
are
affected.
Individuals
lying
in
front
of
business
doors,
leaving
debris
on
the
sidewalk
relieving
themselves
on
the
business
doorsteps,
we
will
arrest
for
criminal
behavior.
P
P
I
was
very
happy
to
hear
tonight
that
the
shepherd
center
wanted
to
build
that
partnership
and
work
with
us
on
identifying
those
individuals,
because
it
is
only
rather
a
small
handful
that
affect
the
daily
life
of
everybody
in
the
community.
We
get
the
calls
we
get
the
photographs
sent
to
the
commission.
It
comes
to
us.
Our
officers
go
out
there
and
deal
with
the
problem
and
have
to
address
this,
and
I
think
if,
in
partnership
with
the
shepherd
center,
if
they
start
holding
them
accountable,
maybe
we
can
curtail
their
behavior
a
little
bit.
L
L
From
that
perspective,
I
think
we're
all
sympathetic,
however,
where
people
are
fed,
especially
the
ones
that
create
the
nuisances,
is
an
issue
with
me
and
then
so,
if
we
could
find
a
spot
away
from
this
main
part
of
town
to
where
those
are
where
those
services
are
are
provided,
feeding
and
so
forth,
and
there
isn't
this
desire
to
come
back
down
into
the
main
part
of
town
that
would
be
creating
the
nuisances,
as
the
police
department
deals.
L
P
Well,
my
preferred
approach
would
be
to
have
no
homeless
issue
at
all
and
everybody
be
living
happy,
but
that's
not
a
reality
and
the
rally
is
the
shepherd
center,
with
all
the
great
work
that
they
do
and
if
they
do
have
that
facility
built
not
everybody's
going
to
use
it
right.
P
P
I
can
walk
into
each
business
downtown
at
the
sponge
docs
and
they
can
probably
tell
me
the
name
of
the
individual
that
sits
out
there
and
defecates
or
sits
out
there
and
curses
at
somebody
and
that
we're
going
to
have
to
deal
with
whether
there's
a
new
facility
on
the
other
side
of
town
or
not.
Now
do
we
want
to
move
something
out
of
the
site
and
and
get
it
off
the
main
thoroughfare
and
up
there.
P
I
think
that's
a
great
project
and
to
be
commended,
and
I
didn't
hear,
though,
from
the
shepherd
center
that
they
were
gonna.
I
thought
I
thought
they
said
they
were
still
keeping
the
shepherd
center
down.
There.
You'll
still
have
the
thrift
store.
Would
you
still
be
doing
food
services?
I
thought
you
said
that
that
would
continue
there
for
those
in
that
general
area.
So
will
it
have
an
impact?
I
don't
know
that
would
be
to
be
foreseen.
L
P
I
do
think
one
option
was
brought
up
is
to
get
other
stakeholders
involved.
Let's
hear
from
the
community
members
hear
from
the
church
officials,
anybody
in
society,
we
can
do
a
small
group
and
put
them
together.
That's.
L
P
And
we
would
want
that
input
again,
like
I
said,
the
police
department,
we
are
not
going
to
solve
homelessness,
and
I
think
I
heard
you
say
that
earlier
today
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
solve
right.
This
issue
is
throughout
the
world,
not
a
a
united
states,
but
not
a
florida
problem,
not
a
tarpon
springs
problem.
It's
a
societal
problem
right
and
I
think,
together
as
a
community,
we
can
address
our
hot
spot
issues
and
focus
on
those,
and
maybe
we
could
have
a
positive
effect.
L
Have
you,
I
know
the
programs
that
you
have
and
and
I've
met
on
site
with
chief
coach
and
an
officer
boone
with
some
of
the
issues
on
tarpon
avenue
between
tarpon
and
orange,
and
I
know
the
the
act,
the
the
trespassing
warrants,
the
others
of
working
with
the
property
owners
to
fence
things
off
to
to
to
kind
of
eliminate
cubby
holes
where
people
might
camp
out
and
things
beyond
what
you're
doing
now?
Do
you
see
any
more
enhancements
that
you
can
obtain
through?
Let's
say
changes
of
ordinances?
L
P
I
mean
I'm
sure
we
can
look
at
other
ordinances
like
city
clearwater,
st
petersburg
have
ordinances
that
do
look
at
some
issues
that
address
issues
of
lying
and
sleeping
on
on
the
sidewalk
and
blocking
paths
during
daylight
hours
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
those
are
things
that
probably
would
work
with
the
city,
attorney's
office
or
other
staff
members
on
development.
If
we
need
to
could
they
have
a
positive
effect?
L
Will
run
through
the
truth,
I'm
not
trying
to.
I
know
those
things
are
possible,
but
that's
not
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
create
work.
L
I'm
trying
to
get
a
preference
from
our
police
department,
you're
the
experts
in
the
city
government,
yes
on
dealing
with
the
homeless
and
the
issues
that
we've
had
downtown
and
elsewhere,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
where
you
as
the
police
department,
would
focus
your
efforts
and
where
you
would
think
that
you
would
get
the
most
in
the
resources
and
the
effort
that
we
would
put
into
it.
How
much
would
we
get
out
of
that
to
really
eliminate
some
of
the
problems
we
have
right
now
in
the
downtown?
L
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
get
out.
I
don't
want
to
just
shotgun
this
approach
and
try
everything.
I
think
we've
always
talked
about
doing
that
and
nothing
really
works.
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
focused
plan
and
I
think
getting
the
stakeholders
involved
and
things
of
that
nature
as
you're
describing
is
a
very
smart
way
to
do
it
and
bring
everybody
along
together,
because
if
you
leave
one
or
two
out,
I
don't
think
this
plan
was
going
to
work.
L
For
example,
the
one
good
aspect
of
of
what
I
see
right
now
is
a
shepherd
center
has
consolidated
services
at
the
one
location.
The
the
several
churches
that
were
involved
are
no
longer
involved,
or
they
are
involved,
but
they're
all
involved
at
the
shepherd
center.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
thing.
So
where
do
we
go
from
there?
And
so
we
have
our
police
department
that
again
you're.
L
You
do
a
terrific
job,
given
what
we've
got
as
far
as
ordinances
go
and
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
where
you
would
think
that
the
best
approach
would
be
as
far
as
dealing
that's.
Why
we're
here
tonight
is
to
deal
with
these
problems,
and
I
agree
with
everything
you
say,
but
but
we
need
to
answer
the
public.
What
would.
P
You,
I
think
you
know
taking
the
small
step,
would
be
having
the
accountability
if
we
can
get
them
to
be
held
accountable
for
their
actions
downtown.
If
you
you
know,
we
we,
if
we
have
to
arrest
somebody
for
criminal
behavior,
but
yet
they
come
back
the
next
day
and
they
still
are
able
to
get
services.
Now
I
understand
everybody
deserves
a
free
meal.
P
Q
L
P
L
P
We
can
put
our
top
five
lists
together
and
start
off
with
that
and
work
with
you
and
work
our
way
backwards
on
trying
to
curtail
their
behavior
and
identify
that-
and
I
know
that
you
know,
starting
with
our
first
homeless,
outreach
officer,
officer,
you're,
ghoulis,
then
officer,
hollingsworth
and
now
officer,
palmer
and
halaby.
We
work
well
with
the
shepherd
center,
but
I
would
just
like
to
see
the
more
of
the
accountability
on
these
individuals
that
don't
behave
in
public
that
that's
all
we're
asking
is
for
that
extra
little
step
to
help
every
that's.
P
P
L
Chief
young,
I
see
officer
boone
in
the
background
we
received
photos
today
of
the
bus,
stop
at
the
corner
of
court
and
pinellas,
and
also
I
was
there
yesterday
and
today
and
looked
at
the
gazebo
and
also
the
bus,
stop
at
the
corner
of
lime,
street
and
south
finals.
There's
a
distinct
difference
between
the
two
locations.
P
I
will
say
this
officer
boone,
and
I
were
talking
about
this
the
other
day.
The
shepherd
center
does
a
great
job
right.
They
go
around
cleaning
up
everything
around
their
facility
there.
So
thank
you
for
that,
because
some
of
these
people
will
leave
their
trash
wherever
they
are
at,
but
the
facility
gets
people
out
there
and
they
do
clean
up.
So
I
don't
know.
Maybe
we
can
expand
outwards
and
do
a
cleaning
project
or
something
like
that.
P
L
It
in
the
trash,
that's
the
distinction.
I
wanted
you
to
bring
out.
I
know
when
speaking
to
ms
del
guys
today,
they
actually
speak
to
the
homeless,
that
utilize
that
bus
stop
and
have
basically
told
them
unless
you
police
yourself,
you
know
we're
going
to
have
a
we're
going
to
have
a
problem
with
with
you
know,.
P
J
I
just
had
a
quick
question
based
on
the
discussion:
y'all
were
just
having
just
to
build
on
a
little
bit
regarding
the
select
few
that
are
causing
trouble
right
and
the
some
cooperation
from
the
shepherd
center.
It
seems
like
for
some
of
them.
You
know
going
down
to
the
county
jail
and
that's
not
that's
not
enough
of
a
of
a
not
a
punishment
but
determined
right.
J
So
obviously
the
resources
of
food
and
the
other
help
that
the
shepherd
center
gives
them
and
you're
talking
about
some
cooperation
from
the
shepherd
center
and
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
because
I
know
three
strikes
may
or
may
probably
not
enough
right,
but
I
mean
can.
Is
there
a
way
to
set
some
criteria
with
the
cooperation
you
know
of
the
community.
P
Again,
I
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
want
to
be
involved
in
that.
I
wouldn't
even
make
the
recommendations
to
them
on
how
how
to
deal
with
that.
We
deal
with
criminal
matters
and
the
criminal
side
of
it.
I
would
just
ask
them
as
a
good
partner
and
stewards
of
the
community
to
come
up
with
some
type
of
guidelines
that
would
help
support
us
on
deterring
that
behavior
sure,
so
that
would
leave
that
up
to
them.
I
wouldn't
even
want
to
suggest
to
them
how
to
do
that
again.
You
know
that
would
be
their
choice.
Sure.
A
That'll
be
a
very
good
discussion
during
the
wlc
questions.
The
comments
after
that.
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
healthy
discussion.
We'll
have
on
that.
P
A
We
are
now
going
to
the
public
comments
from
the
people
in
the
audience.
S
S
S
S
She
becomes
despondent
begins
drinking
now,
stop
there,
because
you
know
how
that
turns
out.
I
we're
all
like,
like
you
say,
we're
all
close
to
homelessness.
We're
one
paycheck
away.
All
it
takes
is
one
unexpected
bill,
one
fender
bender,
one
sickness,
one
layoff
or
the
pandemic.
S
S
S
T
Good
evening,
commissioners,
my
name
is
christina
whale.
I
reside
at
53,
west
tarpon
avenue.
I
also
reside
in
the
building.
That
is
my
business.
There
are
a
lot
of
homeless
in
my
particular
area
and
a
lot
of
people
don't
realize
they
kind
of
couldn't
come
down
there
and
hang
down
there.
But
what
I
came
here
to
say
was,
I
totally
agree
with
the
police
chief.
There
is
no
accountability
here
for
those
people,
they
will
continue
to
be
arrested.
They
will
continue
to
go
back
and
do
what
they
want
to
do.
T
I'm
in
an
area
where
I
hear
people
have
conversations
all
day
long
and
it
echoes
into
my
building
and
the
amount
of
people
that
come
here
from
newport
richie
clearwater
and
st
pete
and
they've
been
homeless
there
and
they
come
to
tarpon
springs
because
they've
been
basically
kicked
out
of
that
system
there.
They
are
no
longer
allowed
to
have
the
benefits
of
food
and
shelter
because
they
didn't
follow
the
rules.
They
all
know.
We
can
go
to
tarpon
springs
and
we
don't
have
to
follow
the
rules.
We
can
do
whatever
we
want.
T
So
I
agree
that
we
need
an
accountability
of
some
sort
with
those
few
that
are
having
the
problems
there's
a
few
of
them,
they're
really
nice
guys.
Sometimes
they
come
talk
to
me
on
my
porch,
it's
the
ones
that
are
just
causing
the
problem
that
few
percent
so
developing
some
form
of
an
accountability
program.
T
U
Hi
tommy
frain,
1671
autumnwood
street
tarpon
springs.
I
had
some
comments,
but
I'm
actually
just
going
to
talk
a
little
off
the
cuff,
based
on
everything
that
we
spoke
about.
First,
I'm
really
appreciative
to
the
city
for
having
this
event,
the
issue
of
homelessness
is
something
that's
near
and
dear
to
my
heart.
So
I'm
glad
that
we're
having
a
discussion
about
it
rather
than
making
any
kind
of
rash
decisions.
U
Some
of
the
things
that
I
believe
that
we
need
to
focus
on
are
some
of
those
short
medium
term
and
long
term
goals
right.
So
I
think,
from
a
short
term
and
with
all
due
respect
to
major
young
and
and
and
the
homeless
outreach
officers
here,
I
don't
believe
that
we
should
have
a
homeless
outreach
program
within
our
police
department.
U
I
believe
that
the
program
itself
should
be
something
that's
run.
I
believe
we
should
look
at
potentially
having
a
non-uniformed
individual,
potentially
a
trained
social
worker
and
potentially
sharing
that
cost,
not
only
with
other
cities
but
potentially
the
county
as
well.
So
you
have
a
part-time
social
worker,
that's
working
here
and
other
locales
as
well
and
again.
This
is
nothing
against
the
police
department
at
all,
but
their
job
is
to
enforce
laws,
there's
job
and
I
just
don't
believe
that
their
job
is
and
their
they
have
the
ability
to
necessarily
solve
these
ills.
U
As
major
young
even
noted.
I
do
want
to
also
note
just
because
it
was
brought
up
talking
about
instituting
other
ordinances.
I'd
really
be
interested
to
understand
what
laws
we
do
not
have
on
the
books
today.
That
would
help
curtail
homelessness.
I
don't
believe
we
have
any.
A
lot
of
other
cities
have
tried
it.
Orlando
tried
bathing
laws,
so
you
you
know
if
you
went
into
a
bathroom
and
you
were
washing
anything
but
your
hands
you
get
arrested.
U
If
you
were
fell
asleep
at
a
park,
you
could
get
picked
on
for
encampment.
What
happened
was
it
was
not
just
homeless
people
that
were
picked
on,
but
lots
of
people
that
were
maybe
not
the
meet
the
the
normality
of
or
the
norms
of
society,
as
major
young
said.
So
I
just
want
to
be
careful
how
far
we
go
from
a
medium
term.
I
think
what
the
shepherd
center
has
said
and
part
of
getting
another
location
and
to
have
especially
transitional
housing
is
super
important.
U
We
have
an
issue
with
homelessness
because
people
do
not
have
homes.
I
personally
believe
every
single
person
has
a
right
to
shelter
and
a
right
to
food
period,
especially
in
america,
in
the
21st
century,
and
I
believe
that
those
issues
that
we
see
with
homelessness
cannot
be
solved.
If
we
do
not
get
them
off
the
street
and
I've
gone
to
talk
to
some
of
these
folks-
and
you
know
I
I
just
don't-
buy-
that
the
folks
that
are
causing
the
problems
are
coming
from
out
of
town
two
of
the
women
that
are
out
there.
U
I
knew
their
sons,
one
graduated
high
school
with
me,
another
from
east
lake
high
another
gentleman
out
there
graduated
a
few
years
before
meeny's
lake
high
school
fell
into
drugs.
Another
woman
out
there
is
related
to
mr
bill's
donuts
family
through
marriage
right
back
in
the
day.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
old,
tarpon
folks
that
are
here.
U
So
I
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
discussions
about
people
coming
in,
but
I
think
we
confuse
the
folks
that
are
coming
in
for
some
of
these
temporary
services
like
food-
and
we
say:
oh
people
are
coming
from
everywhere,
causing
the
problems
and
then
we're
saying:
oh,
it's
these
only
five
percent
of
these
homeless.
Let's
we
have
to
focus
on
what
are
the
issues.
I
think
the
issues
are
the
homeless
and
I
think
the
issue
is
they're
here
and
I
believe
that
we
can
solve
that
through
some
of
these
transitional
housing.
U
Again,
I
think
it
alleviates
from
the
businesses
it
gives.
You
know
it
solves
the
problem,
while
allowing
folks
to
still
maintain
their
dignity,
and
I
think,
that's
extremely
important
now
on
a
long-term
goal,
whether
this
is
the
city
or
more
the
shepherd
center,
and
I
think
I
think
the
city
has
a
role
in
helping
to
lead
and
hopefully
push
our
county
leaders
as
well
as
our
state
leaders
to
push
for
permanent
housing
solutions
for
homeless.
You
know
especially
a
lot
of
these.
U
You
know
if
we're
saying
chronic
homeless,
you
know,
and
they
don't
want
to
get
off
of
the
street.
I
went
down
to
the
library
after
the
bench
removals
and
I
spoke
to
a
lot
of
the
folks
down
there
and
I
heard
the
same
thing
over
and
over
there
are
excuse
me.
There
are
a
lot
of
preconditions
to
a
lot
of
more
permanent
services,
such
as
housing
and
a
lot
of
those
preconditions.
U
These
folks
cannot
meet.
We
talk
about
the
issues
with
mental
illness.
We
talk
about
the
issues
with
addiction,
so
well
I'll,
go
ahead
and
leave
my
time
there,
but
again.
Thank
you
very
much
for
this
issue
and
again
I
hope
you
look
at
solving
the
root
causes
of
the
issue.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
M
I
did
one
that
you
asked
for
other
groups
that
do
have
food
service
in
tarpon
and
there
is
another
group
and
I
don't
think
the
police
have
ever
been
called,
but
maybe
once
we
work
in
the
same
timothy
parking
lot
on
saturdays,
it's
a
division
of
the
dream
center
we're
adopt-a-block,
we
do
have
to
go
bags
for
homeless
and
we
do
have
unprepared
foods
for
people
that
still
have
a
kitchen.
M
M
Money-Wise
to
fix
we'll
also
go
to
their
house.
We
paint
we
do
yard
cleanups.
So
there
are
other
groups
in
town
and
although
I
do
work
at
shepherd-
and
I
think
that
the
covid
has
exacerbated
the
issue
where
we
used
to
be
able
to
be
at
a
different
church
and
people
were
spread
out
and
they
could
come
and
dine
inside
and
then
move
back
out.
M
It
was
less
obvious
the
same
folks,
but
we
also
used
to
get
seniors,
who
were
just
lonely
who
could
come
and
sit
down
and
eat
and
visit
and
with
kovac
we're
not
able
to
seat
our
folks
inside
the
hope,
center
and
move
them
out.
It's
unfortunate
that
the
hope
center
is
downtown.
I've
said
this
for
years.
That's
too
bad.
M
The
whole
thing
shepherd
center
hope
center
wasn't
farther
out
on
a
bus,
stop
away
from
businesses
and
homes,
but
we
have
what
we
have,
but
I
did
want
to
point
out
that
there
are
other
groups
in
town
that
are
helping
and
there
are
some
folks
that
really
are
never
going
to
fit
into
any
kind
of
temporary
housing
they
just
it's
just
never
going
to
work
for
them.
So
I
don't
know
for
just
hitting
ourselves
in
the
head
but
appreciate
y'all
talking
about
this.
Maybe
we
can
find
some
partial
measures
and.
M
L
M
You
know
so
we
have
different
parts.
We
deliver
boxes
of
food
for
folks
to
prepare
and
we've
just
increased
because
we've
gone
around
and
door
knocked
and
been
to
areas.
It
varies
quite
a
bit.
We
usually
have
25,
I'm
going
to
call
them
homeless
bags
for
a
better,
no
other
way.
To
put
it,
and
last
week
we
had
35
boxes
of
food
to
prepare
that
people
picked
up
and
another
35
that
we
delivered.
B
M
A
two-pronged
approach:
at
shepherd
or
three-prong,
people
that
pick
up
groceries,
people
that
pick
up
a
hot
meal
for
lunch
and
then
the
deliveries
too
she's
so
familiar
with
it.
It
was
hard
to
track
without
knowing
what
was
going
on,
but
I
wanted
to
make
that
clear.
Also
that
shepherd
has
when
she's
talking
about
there's
a
box
for
people
that
can,
if
he
have
a
place
to
cook
and
then
our
out
the
back
door
for
the
lunches
for
folks
that
don't
have
a
place
to
cook.
A
Thank
you
sure.
Thank
you
julie.
This
is
the
the
same
service
that
a
miserable
talk
about
earlier
right.
A
Well,
this
is
the
same
service.
This
is
the
the
same
food
that
is
actually
the
service
center
was
providing.
M
M
Although
we
do
talk
to
them
when
it's
we
had
a
big
christmas
event,
we've
had
toys
and
santa
and
things
for
a
hundred
and
or
200
families.
M
When
it's
turkey
time,
we
try
not
to
have
a
turkey
available
at
shepherd
center
and
through
us
and
through
salvation
army
we
try
to
coordinate.
Are
they
on
your
list?
Are
they
on
our
list
so
that
each
family
gets
something?
But
I
don't
know
how
to
say
this
nicely,
but
they're
not
selling
the
rest
of
it.
W
Good
evening,
mayor
good
evening,
everyone
thank
you.
My
name
is
jeanne
vaughn.
I
work
as
the
outreach
supervisor
at
the
tarpon
spring
shepherd
center
and
I
just
want
to
say
I've
been
in
this
position
since
since
july
we
opened
the
hope
center
in
august
and
with
regard
to
accountability,
I
agree
with
what
the
officer
said
and
we
have
worked
to
build
relationships
with
the
clients
that
we
have,
because
they
know
I'm
going
to
come,
get
them.
If
I,
because
I've
worked
on
building
those
relations,
those
kind
of
relationships
that
they
trust
me
enough
to.
W
Let
me
know
some
of
the
bad
actors
that
are
doing
things
and,
but
I
don't
think
it's
a
case
of.
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come.
I
don't
think
you
know.
Oh,
we
built
the
hope
center
or
we're
giving
out
all
this
food.
It's
going
to
cause
more
people
come
here,
not
necessarily
what
would
these
people
do
if
we
weren't
here-
and
the
final
thing
I
want
to
say,
is
that
I
think
we
all
need
to
step
back
and
remember,
no
matter
how
much
money
any
of
us
has.
W
We
are
all
potentially
one
disaster
away
from
the
way
some
of
these
folks
are
living
and
some
of
the
personal
stories
of
some
really
bad
actors
in
the
homes
community.
Here
one
lost
a
six-year-old
boy.
You
know
I
mean
some
of
them
have
some
stories
that
I
don't
know
if
I
could
come
back
from.
So
I
just
hope
with
the
whole
love
thy
neighbor
theme
that
you
keep
in
mind
that
maybe
something
so
traumatic
has
happened
to
them,
that
if
it
happened
to
you,
you
might
not
come
back
with
from
it.
A
C
Some
of
these
people
on
the
street
really
just
want
to
be
there,
that's
kind
of
where
they
want
to
be
that's
their
life,
I'm
not
sure
who
the
gentleman's
name
is
he
parks
on
the
bench
between
the
wells,
fargo
and
the
lafont
building
across
from
the
library
it
was
a
cold
evening.
A
few
weeks
ago
I
took
a
blanket
to
him.
C
From
me,
this
is
my
space
get
out
of
here.
It's
my
space.
What
are
you
doing?
What
do
you
want?
I
said
I'm
just
trying
to
help
you,
here's
a
blanket.
I
don't
want
it
get
away,
so
there
are
some
people
that
you
know
we
may
not
be
able
to
reach,
and
I
understand
some
people
here
in
the
business
community
who
have
properties
downtown
and
in
the
central
area
would
like
to
see
the
homeless
gone,
creates
a
bad
image,
we're
a
tourist
town.
C
Well,
maybe
not
so
far
on
the
outskirts,
where
they're
dis-socialized,
because
part
of
what
has
been
spoken
about
is
relationships
and
if
you
place
them
out
like
on
a
farm
out
there,
where
they're
just
out
there
by
themselves
and
they're,
not
socializing
with
the
rest
of
the
community
and
the
community,
not
seeing
that
they're
humans.
Also,
then,
you
get
that
chasm
now
as
far
as
solutions
it
was
mentioned
about
a
facility
and
margot
mentioned
earlier
about
towny
houses.
C
I'll
show
you
something
here.
Business
observer
see
that
business
paper,
not
not
a
homeless
paper,
page
four
small
successes,
there's
nothing
tiny
about
the
tiny
home
market.
It's
a
big
business
nation
white,
including
on
florida's
west
coast
and
there's
about
dan
dabroski's
set
up
wisconsin-based
escape
homes
recently
announced
it
will
expand
its
escape
tampa
bay
village
from
about
10
homes,
about
40
homes,
community
and
throne
assassins
hillsborough
county
debuted
in
spring.
2020
has
since
been
a
frenzy
of
demand.
We've
had
daily
inquiries
up
to
35
000
in
a
day.
C
Real
estate
is
a
little
bit
out
of
whack
right
now.
The
van
is
accelerating
rapidly
throw
coven
19
on
top,
and
people
are
trying
desperately
to
get
out
of
condos
and
apartments
and
further
in
the
article
they're
saying
that
they're
trying
to
find
other
places
sarasota
is
where
affordable
housing
is.
A
hot
topic
is
on
the
list
of
possible
locations,
but
he
says
the
local
government
hasn't
been
the
friendliest
to
the
idea.
C
I
remember
we
were
on
the
board
the
city
foreclosed,
on
properties
that
was
owned
by
bobby
fisher,
the
chess
champion
and
they
foreclosed
on
his
property
because
he
didn't
want
to
come
back
to
the
states
because
he
was
in
not
good
standing
with
the
president
bush
at
the
time,
so
they
foreclosed
on
his
properties
and
eventually
we
sold
that
to
the
habitat
for
humanity
and,
as
the
gentleman
mentioned,
also
about
taking
the
police
department
out
of
the
homeless
area.
Now
I
do
agree.
C
They
have
a
certain
role,
but
I
was
a
little
disappointed
that
there
was
nobody
here
for
mental
health,
a
psychologist
a
psychiatrist
to
maybe
discuss
the
psychological
aspects
of
how
to
solve
this.
I
know
I
have
run
out
of
time,
but
miss
veronica
weller
has
offered
to
donate
me
another
two
minutes,
so
I
think
we
need
to
do
some
outreach
in
that
regard,
because
a
lot
of
these
people,
as
it's
been
discussed,
have
mental
issues
they've
gone
through
trauma.
We
have
peace
for
tarpon.
C
Was
anybody
from
them
asked
to
come
to
speak
tonight
because
they
deal
with
a
lot
of
these
people
so
before
you
go
making
a
decision
tonight
about
what
the
city
should
do
as
the
gentleman
mentioned
earlier,
and
even
as
major
young
mention
put
a
group
together
to
discuss
some
of
these
options,
invite
a
mental
health
practitioner
invite
somebody
else
from
who
handles
these
types
of
people.
To
maybe
give
you
some
advice
about
how
to
approach
them
and
also,
as
it
was
mentioned,
look
at
some
other
cities.
C
So
you
can
find
compassionate
empathetic
ways
to
get
people
to
be
accountable.
As
the
gentleman
mentioned
you
don't
want
to
go
too
far.
You
don't
want
to
have
it
so,
if
someone's
sitting
on
a
bench
for
20
minutes,
they're
arrested
just
because
it's
after
dark,
so
there's
a
lot
more
to
this
homeless
issue
that
needs
to
be
looked
at,
and
I
would
say
that
you
can't
decide
tonight
what
needs
to
be
done,
but
you
can
set
a
path
forward
and
when
you
do
so
remember,
jesus
christ.
C
Q
How
you
guys
doing
my
name
is
michael
condodiakis,
832
riverside
drive.
Also,
we
have
a
property
at
on
tarpon
avenue,
a
few
doors
down
from
that
lady
over
there.
I
agree
with
everything
everybody's
saying
tonight.
These
people
do
need
help.
They
do
deserve
food,
they
do
deserve
shelter.
Q
Finding
human
waste-
and
you
know
beer
bottles
every
morning
and
stuff
like
that-
getting
complaints
from
my
tenants
that
we
depend
on
to
pay
our
mortgage
at
our
office
that
you
know
they're
being
harassed
by
homeless
people
in
the
morning.
It's
it's
tough
and
you
know.
Obviously
you
don't
want
to
shun
anyone.
Everybody
deserves
a
fair
shake,
but
the
accountability
thing
I
think,
is
a
strong
point
and
I
know
we
need
to
work
together
and
there's
no
snap,
your
finger
solution
to
it,
but
something
needs
to
change.
Q
Q
I
don't
know,
but
it's
good
to
have
everybody
in
here
working
together
and
hopefully
we
can
come
to
a
solution,
that's
getting
things
better
than
they
are
right
now.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
X
X
Atlas,
929
oakview
road,
and
we
also
own
business,
downtown
tarpon
avenue
and
not
to
repeat
everything
that
everyone
said
but
michael
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
I
agree
with
everything
everyone
said
here
tonight.
We
applaud
the
efforts
of
all
the
organizations,
the
shepherd
centers,
the
churches,
all
the
volunteers.
X
I
am
someone
who
frequently
has
to
call
the
police
in
the
city
about
issues
we
have
a
public
restroom
next
to
our
building
and
every
morning
I
go
around
our
sidewalks
on
our
building
and
and
clean
the
sidewalks
and
not
to
you
know,
go
into
it
with
detail,
but
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
pick
up
and
there's
human
excrement
on
our
buildings.
X
And
you
know
people
bathe
in
the
bathrooms
and
anyway,
but
I
do
want
to
help
people,
but
but
there
is
that
small
fraction,
as
major
young
said,
that
causes
issues
and-
and
I
know
that
we
can
come
together
as
a
community
as
we
always
do,
because
we
have
a
fine
community.
X
X
I
apologize,
I
called
them
on
a
sunday
we
had
somebody
screaming
at
the
top
of
their
lungs
at
my
back
door
and
we've
had
people
passed
out
on
my
back
door,
but
we've
come
together
to
solve
this
this
these
problems
and
we
do
have
problems,
but
I
know
that
we,
if
we
all
work
together,
we
will
solve
them
and
and
help
people,
and
that's
all
thank
you
very
much.
A
Y
Y
There
are
many
chronically
homeless
folks
to
be
sure,
but
we
also
have
thousands
of
homeless
students
throughout
our
county.
A
growing
number
are
becoming
part
of
the
alice
which
stands
for
asset,
limited
income,
constrained,
employed
group
and
could
become
homeless
by
missing
a
single
paycheck
or
experiencing
an
illness.
Not
all
homeless.
Folks
are
equally
visible.
Y
Research
points
to
common
denominations.
If
we
look
at
root
causes
of
homelessness,
witnessing
or
experience
violence,
especially
as
children,
but
these
can
be
compounded
by
ongoing
violent
experiences
over
the
course
of
a
lifetime:
domestic
violence,
interpersonal
violence
and
even
war.
This
creates
a
multi-generational
challenge,
because
the
challenge
is
vast.
We
must
not
only
look
to
our
existing
community
partners
working
diligently
to
address
this,
but
also
seek
new
solutions.
Y
Y
Y
It
certainly
opened
my
eyes
when
I
had
the
honor
of
serving
on
that
board,
but
even
so,
their
focus
was
often
on
st
p
on
st
petersburg
or
south
county,
and
not
way
up
here
in
tarpon
springs.
The
decision
to
remove
the
benches
in
front
of
the
library
had
unintended
consequences
homeless.
Folks
sat
there
to
be
sure,
but
so
did
bill
a
vietnam
veteran
who
told
me
I
have
a
place
to
live,
but
this
is
my
place
to
go
to
be
with
people.
I
sit
and
read
my
bible.
Y
I
don't
bother
anybody
bill,
isn't
the
only
one
using
the
library
benches
as
a
community
social
hub?
The
bottom
line
is
that,
if
someone
is
living
here
in
tarpon
springs
whether
or
not
they
have
a
home,
they
are
part
of
our
community
and
we
must
see
them
as
such
as
we
move
forward
best
robin
sanger
piece
for
tarpon
founding
director
next
email.
Y
Thank
you
all
for
the
move
towards
solution
for
the
health
of
all
after
decades
of
listening
and
serving
with
community
a
few
comments
to
add
to
what
I
have
already
read
from
the
shepherd
center,
the
police
department
and
the
pinellas
county
point
in
time.
The
need
for
low-income
housing
is
great
and
would
help.
In
our
resolve
years
ago,
the
mayor
police
department
shepherd
center
churches
and
the
homeless
coalition
sat
down
to
work
towards
solutions
from
that
gathering
came
the
vision
for
a
day
eu
center,
with
accountability
now
realized
in
the
hope
center.
Y
One
clear
directive
was
not
just
reacting
to
homelessness,
but
taking
an
approach
that
worked
towards
prevention,
largely
for
struggling
low-income
persons
and
families
to
keep
them
from
becoming
homeless.
We
identified
three
key
areas:
one
health
care
which
mike
bilorakis
helped
to
facilitate
in
the
vision
of
the
community
health
center,
providing
health
care
for
those
with
health
without
health
insurance
to
food
which
the
community,
through
the
shepherd
center,
helped
to
address
by
providing
daily
meals
and
food
resources
and
three
housing.
Y
May
god
bless
our
discernment
and
peace
with
be
with
you
all
in
christ,
services,
pastor,
kurt
snare,
854
riverside
drive,
tarpon
springs
next
email
good
evening,
mayor
alohuseis,
vice
mayor
carr,
commissioners,
chief
coachen
and
city
manager,
mark
lacouris.
My
name
is
rebecca
loyal.
I
live
at
1204
golf
road
and
work
at
salon,
touche
at
210,
south
pinellas
avenue
in
the
arcade
building.
Next
to
the
shepherd
center,
I
felt
I
felt
for
the
commission
to
consider
the
impact
of
the
chronic
homeless
in
the
community,
its
residents,
business
owners
and
employees
of
local
establishments.
Y
Y
I
have
also
attached
a
few
pictures
and
commissioners
those
were
provided
for
you
on
the
dyess
tonight
parking
problems
on
boyer
street
west
on
north
side
of
shepherd
center.
No
parking
signs
are
placed
up
for
the
south
side
of
boyer
street
due
to
traffic
issues.
However,
on
days
when
the
shepard's
shepherd
center
has
free
food,
the
street
is
often
lined
with
illegally
parked
vehicles
even
up
to
the
stop
sign
at
pinellas
avenue.
This
causes
a
traffic
hazard
and
issues
navigating
the
road.
Y
It
appears
that
workers
not
only
allow
it
without
advising
people
of
the
no
parking
but
have
been
observed,
helping
people
carry
groceries
to
their
vehicles.
The
problem
is
that
the
illegal
parking
causes
issues
with
people
trying
to
drive
on
boyer
street.
When
a
car
turns
westbound
on
boyer
street,
they
can
come
head
on
toward
another
vehicle
trying
to
drive
eastbound,
which
had
to
drive
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
road
to
pass
the
illegally
parked
cars.
This
is
dangerous.
Y
It
made
even
more
dangerous
when
a
vehicle,
then
attempts
to
exit
the
parking
lot
from
the
rear
of
the
arcade.
Sometimes
a
car
in
the
parking
lot
will
then
have
to
try
to
reverse
through
the
parking
lot,
while
other
customers
may
be
attempting
to
back
out
of
the
parking
spaces
other
times.
Although
there
is
parking
on
the
other
side
or
in
front
of
the
shepherds
center,
the
people
that
frequently
frequent
the
outreach
will
park
in
the
parking
lot
for
the
businesses
at
the
arcade,
leaving
us
employees
and
patrons
no
parking
spots.
Y
Another
issue
has
been
the
ongoing
issue,
with
lowering
sleeping
panhandling
of
the
homeless
on
the
property
at
the
arcade.
We
will
have
to
call
the
police
to
deal
with
these
issues
so
that
they
do
not
interfere
with
us
trying
to
earn
a
living.
The
businesses
have
worked
well
with
the
police
department,
and
the
police
have
also
checked
the
area
to
deal
with
the
issues,
but
it
is
time
consuming
and
annoying
for
both
of
us.
Y
These
issues
include
trash
and
beer
cans,
littering
the
property
urine
and
feces
on
the
front
and
back
walkways
approaching
customers
or
workers
following
them
or
asking
for
money.
This
hurts
our
business.
While
we
understand
the
shepherd's
center
intend
to
help
others.
We
also
would
like
their
help
in
dealing
with
these
issues.
The
problems
occur
while
people
are
congregating
before
or
after
visiting
the
shepherd
center
that
are
even
more
prevalent
at
feeding
times.
Y
In
fact,
many
will
come
onto
the
property
eat
their
food,
discard
their
scraps
or
partially
eaten
food
and
leave
their
containers
on
the
sidewalk,
often
with
beer
cans,
they
will
spread
their
personal
belongings
out
on
the
walkway,
sit
and
eat
litter,
drink
right
in
front
of
our
businesses,
while
customers
try
to
enter
or
leave.
It
seems
like
the
shepherd
center
is
content
to
hand
out
food
and
not
be
concerned
with
how
these
individuals
affect
the
nearby
residents
business
owners
or
store
workers.
Y
They
can
cause
issues
nearby
yet
have
no
ramifications
from
or
accountability
simply
returning
the
next
day
to
do
the
same,
we
have
witnessed
arguments
and
fights
even
hearing
the
yelling,
while
inside
our
business
with
patrons.
This
affects
our
ability
to
work
and
can
impact
a
commissioner,
I'm
sorry,
a
customer's
willingness
to
return
for
business,
whether
they
are
concerned
for
their
safety
want
to
avoid
conflict
are
disgusted
with
the
remains
left
behind
and
other
concerns.
Not
only
are
customers
concerned
about
these
issues.
Employees
of
these
businesses
are
as
well.
To
be
honest.
Y
These
issues
are
often
caused
by
the
same
basic
group
of
people
who
seem
to
want
to
be
able
to
do
whatever
they
want
at
any
time.
It
appears
that
they
don't
care
about
their
personal
situation
and
definitely
don't
care
about
others.
On
top
of
that,
new
faces
appear
and
begin
to
conduct
themselves
in
the
same
way,
due
to
the
pattern
of
behavior
displayed,
they
don't
seem
to
care
about
getting
arrested
either
because
they
continue
to
come
back
and
continue
their
behavior.
Y
However,
I
do
understand
the
desire
to
help
those
less
fortunate
than
others,
but
it
must
include
accountability
of
those
receiving
services.
Without
that,
nothing
will
be,
nothing
will
change
for
the
betterment
of
all
involved.
The
only
change
would
be
that
the
issues
would
multiply
and
or
become
worse.
Something
must
be
done
to
address
the
ongoing
issues,
to
not
only
ensure
that
it
does
not
get
worse
but
to
lessen
the
effect
felt
by
members
of
the
community.
Y
We
proudly
attempt
to
keep
our
city
beautiful
and
thriving,
maintaining
our
historic
feel
by
remaining
current
with
trends.
We
owe
it
to
all
of
our
citizens
to
live
up
to
the
goal.
Not
only
in
words,
but
reality,
thank
you,
rebecca
loya
and
the
last
one
to
whom
it
may
concern.
I
am
not
a
resident
of
this
lovely
city,
but
I
had
worked
with
here
for
20
years
and
I
frequent
businesses
throughout
the
city
during
my
time
off.
Y
I
love
to
bring
friends
and
relatives
from
out
of
town
to
tarpon
to
show
off
this
gem
of
a
community
that
I've
been
lucky
enough
to
be
a
part
of
in
the
past
five
years.
I've
noticed
an
extreme
increase
in
the
number
of
homeless
individuals
throughout
the
city.
I
am
a
client
of
rebecca
loya
at
salon,
touche
in
the
downtown
corridor.
When
my
daughter
and
I
visit
her,
we
are
always
on
high
alert.
The
homeless
population
is
very
present
in
the
area
and
at
times
asks
for
money.
It's
very
uncomfortable.
Y
Similar
situations
have
a
curve
occurred
up
at
t.j,
maxx
and
panera.
There's
such
beauty
and
welcoming
feeling
to
this
city,
but
the
influx
of
these
individuals
is
very
off-putting.
I
do
think
that
they
are
a
nuisance
to
this
community
and
a
drain
on
resources
that
could
be
used
elsewhere.
Thank
you
for
hearing
my
concerns,
sincerely
allison
harris,
and
that
is
all
that
I
have
for
emails
now.
Thank.
D
Z
Yes,
it's
susan
conrad,
2044,
barracuda
court
holiday
florida.
I
am
the
grant
writer
for
the
shepherd
center.
Also
wear
a
number
of
other
hats.
I
have
been
involved
with
them
since
they
were
located
at
the
court
street
facility,
so
probably
one
of
the
longest
term,
volunteers
and
staff
over
the
years.
Z
I
wanted
to
respond
to
commissioner
tara
pani
regarding
his
questions
on
grant
writing
the
the
pass-through
of
the
food
that
comes
in
and
is
given.
The
two
dollars
per
pound
then
becomes
a
pass
through,
as
it
goes
out
the
door
which
sometimes
is
the
same
day
as
it
comes
in
and
in
writing
grants.
Z
Z
We
wrote
a
grant
several
years
ago
that
brought
us
the
hope
center
and
brought
us
the
staffing
with
the
largest
component
being
the
mental
health
professional
that
is
working
every
day
with
those
that
are
homeless,
working
on
goals
and
85
percent
of
those
that
enter
one-on-one
counseling
right
now,
mostly
via
telephone
with
her,
are
achieving
the
goals
that
they
set.
Some
of
them
are
just
short-term,
like
keeping
the
appointment,
but
some
of
them
are
longer
term
and
have
moved
them
from
homelessness
into
housing
into
jobs.
Z
Z
We
set
with
our
grant
providers
for
this
program
and
we've
continued
to
exceed
those
goals,
so
I
think
that's
critically
important.
Another
point
that
I
want
to
make
is
a
number
of
years
ago.
Pinellas,
health
and
human
services
did
a
study
on
looking
at
poverty
and
food
deserts
throughout
pinellas
county,
and
there
were
five.
Z
Most
of
them
were
mid
to
south
county.
There
was
only
one
in
north
county,
which
was
tarpon
springs
and
we
have
tremendous
poverty
in
tarpon
springs.
I
had
a
person
who
volunteered
started
volunteering
with
the
shepherd
center
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
she
had
never
realized.
You
know
the
poverty.
Z
Z
Z
So
it
is
it's
important
to
know
that
the
shepherd
center
is
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
I
greatly
appreciate
the
discussion
about
being
accountable
for
behavior,
and
I
think
that,
knowing
the
people
that
I
work
with
at
the
shepherd
center,
we
are
all
in
on
really
pursuing
that
and
looking
how
we
can
make
a
difference
in
getting
people
to
be
accountable,
be
is
what
we
see
and
in
being
able
to
see
them
behave
appropriately.
That's
what
we
all
want.
Thank
you.
D
I
Yes,
my
name
is
mike
eisner
and
I'm
at
1515.
Riverside
drive,
tarpon
springs,
and
I
do
want
to
thank
mayor
vice
mayor,
the
commissioners,
chief
coach
and
city
manager.
This
is
an
amazing
thing
to
listen
to.
I
do
agree
with
almost
everything
I've
heard
tonight,
but
one
thing
that
I
haven't
heard
is
on
most
projects
that
the
city
does.
We
usually
have
a
expert
that
comes
in
and
gives
us
a
you
know
a
presentation,
because
we
can't
be
the
only
city
that
has
a
problem
with
homeless
and
with
feeding.
I
I
If
we
provide
better
provisions,
will
we
have
more
people
more
influx
from
clearwater
and
from
pasco
we
walk
a
fine
line
me,
I'm
sorry,
we
walk
a
fine
line
between
helping
and
hurting
our
city,
and
I
feel
for
the
people
that
have
businesses
in
town
where
they
have
to
come
and
find
things
in
the
morning
and
at
the
same
time
I
have
my
heart
goes
out
to
for
the
people
that
want
to
feed
and
help
the
homeless
as
I
do
as
well.
I
But
I
would
like
to
hear
from
somebody
who
has
some
history
in
what
we
could
do
where
we
get
our
most
bang
for
our
buck.
I've
heard
opinions
of
people
talking
about
bringing
in
special
counselors
right
now.
I
The
major
young
who's,
the
guy
that's
dealing
with
most
of
these
issues
is
the
most
experienced
with
what
what's
going
on.
So
I
I
just
would
like
to
hear
from
somebody
else.
I
I
know
that
you're
not
ready
to
make
a
decision
this
evening,
but
that's
the
route.
I
would
like
to
I'd
like
to
hear
more
from
somebody.
Who's
had
experiences,
especially
successful
experiences
with
the
homeless.
I
So
that's
that's
where
I'm
coming
from,
but
I
do
want
to
thank
everybody.
My
heart
bleeds
for
these
people.
I
do
know
we're
all
a
paycheck
away
from
being
in
that
position,
and
I
just
want
to
thank
you
all
for
your
time
and
your
concern
to
help
this
problem.
H
Yeah
hi,
my
name,
is
sarah
coloris
at
906
west
bay
shore
drive.
I
want
to
thank
the
commission
for
making
such
a
concerted
effort
to
find
a
solution
to
this
homeless
problem.
That's
negatively
impacting
the
local
businesses
and
families
who
take
so
much
pride
in
tarpon
springs.
H
My
husband
and
I
are
both
members
of
the
anytime
fitness
next
door
to
the
shepherd
center
and
there
have
been
multiple
times
where
we
have
been
parked
to
go
into
the
gym
and
witness
people
busting.
The
shepherd
center
pick
up
their
food
walk
across
the
street,
tie
up
their
arms
and
shoot
up
their
drugs
of
choice
in
public.
H
H
H
I
also
work
in
the
mental
health
space
and
I
fully
understand
that
this
needs
to
be
a
priority
of
addressing
that
issue
first
and
foremost,
because
that
is
at
the
root
cause
of
this.
However,
I
feel
like
the
proposed
solution
that
the
member
of
the
or
the
coordinator
of
the
shepherd
center
brought
up
of
relocating
a
facility
up
on
the
north
end
cloak
area
would
be
fantastic
for
also
temporarily
housing,
some
of
the
homeless
members,
but
also
my
proposal
would
be
maybe
they
could
possibly
move
their
food
distribution
center
up
there.
H
Well,
we
can
still
serve
those
homeless
and
that
would
be
a
fabulous
place
to
expand
their
ability
to
have
mental
health
professionals
out
there
and
cater
to
their
needs
and
really
figure
out
all
of
those
issues
at
a
centralized
location
where
it's
not
negatively
affecting
the
community
and
the
businesses.
So
thank
you
for
letting
me
get
on.
I
just
thought
I
would
join
in
as
it
is
definitely
important
to
my
family
and
I
and
the
entire
community
of
turkey
springs.
D
R
We
totally
agree
with
major
young
that
criminal
behavior
without
consequence
will
not
change
that
behavior
and
we
support
an
idea
of
some
consequence
that
will
affect
the
change
to
that
behavior.
I
believe
we
believe
the
problem
is
truly
a
small
percentage
that
is
causing
us
to
all
be
focused
on
this
issue.
A
AA
Yes,
2284
6th
avenue
largo.
I
am
currently
had
the
privilege
of
serving
as
a
faith
community
nurse
at
the
shepherd
center
for
about
four
months
now,
so
I'm
very
aware
of
what's
going
on
and
what
you
all
are
talking
about
tonight
and
thank
you,
as
everyone
has
thanked
you
for
what
for
this
discussion
this
opportunity.
AA
I
just
had
a
couple
of
thoughts
here,
moving
forward
when
you
decide
and
you're
making
your
choices.
There's
a
wonderful
community
in
clearwater
you're,
probably
aware
of
it
called
the
homeless
emergency
project
and
they
they've
come
together
to
build
a
sense
of
community
and
help
for
the
homeless
in
a
certain.
AA
Well,
it's
probably
a
large
area,
three
or
four
city
blocks,
but
they
might
be
a
good
person
to
consult
for
you
know,
moving
forward
with
this
project
of
of
moving
the
hope
center
and
the
emergency
housing
out
of
the
city
limits,
and
I
thought
ron
haddad
who
spoke
earlier,
had
some
amazing
help
to
provide
with
his
volunteers
that
he
has
what
he
had
12
or
13
different
civic
organizations.
AA
We
have
a
lot
of
people
that
want
to
help,
but
we
need
a
platform
to
start
making
some
committees
to
to
assist
you
all.
So
in
your
planning
tonight.
Maybe
we
could
have
a
committee
that
we
could
join
to
come
together
and
help
you
all
with
these
problems,
whether
it's
mental
health
or
drug
abuse
or
other
things
that
have
caused
this
problem.
AA
The
accountability
that
you've
mentioned.
One
suggestion
that
I
had
and
I've
seen
work
in
other
places
is
just
like
when
you
get
a
ticket
for
speeding
and
you
have
to
go
to
a
class,
you
know
that's
something
that
we
could
provide
at
the
shepherd
center,
a
class
that
the
homeless
would
need
to
take
in
order
to
come
back
to
have
the
services
that
are
provided
where
they
could
be
just
some
life
skills,
and
some
you
know
things
that
that
maybe
they've
forgotten
or
never
learned.
AA
AA
And
I
just
wanted
to
say
also
that
I
think
one
of
the
success
stories
for
the
shepherd
center
is
that
we
have
just
procured
the
mobile
medical
unit
to
come
back
to
the
shepherd
center.
AA
They've
been
gone
for
over
a
year
now
for
different
reasons,
and
so
the
homeless
now
will
have
medical
care
that
can
help
with
some
of
the
medications
that
they
need
to
help
with
some
of
the
mental
health
issues.
So,
as
we
begin
to
work
together
and
address
these
issues,
you
know
I
think
it's
we're
going
to
see
a
change.
So
thank
you.
AB
AB
AB
AB
We
have
to
take
care
of
our
community
first,
but
we
have
to
balance
the
load
that
comes
into
the
city.
We
can't
be
that
for
all,
and
there
needs
to
be
a
balance.
Put
in
transportation
is
clearly
an
issue,
because
the
number
of
people
that
come
to
our
bus
stops
and
get
off
to
go,
get
fed
up
to
shopping
center,
but
yet
we're
talking
about
moving
a
shepherd
center
now
to
a
rural
part
of
the
northern
county,
where
there
is
no
public
transportation.
AB
Where
now
we
invite
more
people
from
pasco
down
into
our
community,
which
we
can't
service
as
it
is,
so
there
has
to
be
a
balance
of
what
we
can
realistically
do
for
the
community
and
our
closest
neighbors,
and
if
we
can
take
care
of
those
spread,
our
outreach
outcomes,
the
transportation
parking
access
is
clearly
needed
and
moving
this
to
the
northern
side
of
the
county
to
a
rural
area.
Where
that
we
already
have
secondary
prison
release
homes
into
areas
where
it
is
rural,
we
will
encourage
encampments.
AB
That
is
the
wrong
thing
to
do.
You
can't
hide
the
issue,
put
it
on
all
night
or
on
19,
where
there's
good
public
transportation
and
people
can
have
access
the
buses
run
and
we
can
feed
people
and
it's
visible,
but
not
in
downtown.
We
appreciate
the
fact
that
mayor
you're,
bringing
this
to
the
forefront
but
putting
it
in
the
heart
of
downtown
affecting
our
businesses,
is
doing
a
dis
justice
for
those
that
need
it
and
for
the
community.
AB
The
other
part
that
bothered
me
tonight
was
when
the
shepherd
center
said
the
more
we
feed
the
more
we
can
get
for
grants.
So
is
it
really
about
just
the
community
here
or
bigger
for
pinellas
county,
and
I
think
that
is
part
of
our
balance
that
we
need
to
do
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
tonight.
AC
AC
Another
thing
I'd
like
to
acknowledge
is
that
you
allowed
emails
to
be
read
into
the
record.
I
appreciate
that,
so
you
have
to
hear
robin
sagger's
email,
but
I
want
everyone
to
know
that
at
the
anclote
harbor
hearing
three
commissioners
voted
to
not
allow
emails
to
be
read
into
the
record.
They
didn't
want
it.
They
didn't
want
anybody
to
hear
the
hundreds
of
emails
in
opposition
to
that
project
three
and
a
half
hours
worth.
AC
AC
There
was
a
book
called
chasing
the
scream.
I
believe
it
was
where
they
did
a
study.
You
know
they
checked
out
that
test.
They
did
with
the
rat
and
they
had
water
in
one
bottle
and
they
had
heroin
in
the
other
one
and
the
rat
would
drink
the
heroin
until
it
died
and
then
about
a
hundred
years
after
that,
scientists
looked
at
it
and
said:
wait
a
minute.
AC
It's
about
hope.
You
got
to
give
people
hope
if
they're
in
a
cage
or
they
feel
like
they're
in
a
cage
they
perceive
that
their
life
is
in
a
cage.
They
have
no
hope
so
there's
a
program
up
in
canada,
another
one
in
europe
where
the
government
said
hey,
let's
interview
these
people
find
out
what
they
can
do
and
then
one
guy
says
well,
I
like
to
work
on
cars,
so
they
go
and
they
talk
to
a
local
mechanic
and
say
hey.
AC
That's
what
it's
all
about
these
people
want
to
be
productive,
but
they're
not
given
a
chance
and
they
were
abused
badly
abused,
most
of
them
as
children
and
so
yeah
the
guy
on
the
park
bench
didn't
want
the
blanket
I
mean
I
get
it
there's.
Sometimes
we
all
feel
like
that.
We
don't
want
that
kind
of
help.
We
want
a
different
kind
of
help.
AC
D
AD
I
am
the
president
of
the
board
of
the
tarpon
spring
shepherd
center
and
unfortunately
I
wasn't
able
to
be
there
tonight
because
I'm
quarantined
for
covet
exposure.
D
V
I
do
recommend
that,
for
commissioner
townsend's
suggestion
and
the
chief
of
place
of
suggestions
get
together
with
other
stakeholders
in
small
groups,
try
to
cause
a
come
to
a
cause
and
effect
if
only
five
percent
of
the
people
are
causing
the
problem.
Let's
try
to
eliminate
that
and
go
forward.
We
have
a
great
city
and
tarpon.
I
may
have
to
move
there.
V
A
Okay,
the
public
portion
of
the
meeting
is
now
closed.
We're
going
to
take
a
five-minute
reset
and
we'll
come
back
to
have
the
board
of
commissioners
comments
and
discussions,
so
we'll
be
back
in
five.
A
A
I'd
like
to
thank
everyone
for
providing
us
your
input
and
your
suggestion,
as
everybody
else
has
the
homeless
is
a
complex
and
very
sensitive
issue,
and
it's
not
only
here
in
tarpon
springs,
but
in
pinellas
county
and
in
the
state
of
florida.
A
In
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
is
one
of
the
few
cities
that
we
have
the
homeless
outreach
program.
We
have
two
policemen
assigned
to
provide
services
to
the
homeless
people
as
major
young
stated.
The
outreach
program
has
been
very
successful,
providing
help
to
the
homeless
people
connecting
them
with
agencies
to
get
help
agencies
such
as
the
pinellas
hope
directions
of
living
panel
of
safe
harbor
veterans,
administration,
ymca
and
religious
community
services.
A
AE
AE
The
united
states,
supreme
court
and
the
rest
of
the
federal
courts
have
indicated
that
local
governments
can
adopt
ordinances
that
deal
with
aggressive
panhandling,
where
the
panhandler
makes
someone
feel
uncomfortable
or
follows
them
around
or
whatnot,
but
that
the
simple
act
of
asking
someone
for
money
is
protected
speech
and,
and
so
there's
going
to
be.
A
continuum
of
what
kind
of
conduct
is
like.
I
heard
one
of
our
other
citizens
talk
about
not
wanting
to
go
to
the
hair
salon,
because
people
ask
her
for
money,
it's
understandable,
but
but
that's
their
right.
AE
AE
You
can
within
reason,
adopt
time,
place
and
manner
restrictions
on
homeless
people
sleeping
in
certain
areas,
but
that
that's
where
providing
them
someplace
to
go
like
if
the
police
come
to
remove
them,
they
would
have
to
have
some
place
to
go,
and
I
know
at
least
at
some
point
pinellas
county
had
adopted,
you
know,
sort
of
a
central
place
for
those
people
to
go,
and
so
I
think,
if
it
part
of
what
I
was
listening
for
tonight
is
what
are
the
issues
that
really
the
police
department's
facing?
Because
I
didn't
hear
it.
AE
I
didn't
really
hear
sleeping.
You
know
public
sleeping
as
being
an
issue,
but
I
think
once
those
issues
are
identified
and,
and
the
police
department
decides
what
exactly
do
we
want
to
deal
with
in
terms
of
the
conduct?
I
think
that's
when
you
could.
You
know
our
office
can
work
with
the
department
to
to.
If
you
don't
have
current
ordinances
that
exactly
deal
with
it
like
you,
don't
really
currently
have
a
camping
ordinance
that
we
can
come
up
with
something
that
the
courts
would
would
agree
with.
A
Listening
to
to
the
comments
and
to
major
young,
they
say
five
percent
of
the
people
that
are
actually
causing
the
problem
for
all
the
others
to
be
affected.
So
what
can
we
do
to
to
stop
this
five
percent
for
ruining
for
everybody
else?
This
is
what
I'm
saying.
AE
And
mayor
I
was
sharing
with
with
the
major
during
the
break
that
one
of
the,
if
we,
if,
if
we
were
a
grant
provider
for
for
hope,
center
or
for
any
other
provider,
then
in
our
grant
contract
we
can
put
in
certain
terms
and
conditions
to
say,
look
in
exchange
for
this
public
support.
You're
going
to
have
to
ensure
that
your
people,
your
clients,
don't
engage
in
this
behavior,
don't
have
these
particular
records
and
if
they
do,
then
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
have
our
financial
support.
AE
But
since
we
don't
have
that
kind
of
a
thing,
my
recommendation
to
the
major
is
really-
and
you
heard
the
executive
director
call
in
tonight
and
make
a
public
commitment
that
he
was
going
to
to
deal
with
the
situation.
Work
with
the
city
deal
with
the
situation,
and
so
my
recommendation
is
that
that
the
city
get
with
him
that
police
department,
I
could
certainly
participate
in
that
conversation
and
and
the
the
rules
that
they
would
have
to
have
for
those
that
small
group
of
people
who
are
creating
the
problem
would
be
generated
by
them.
AE
AE
Here's
what
the
rules
are
now
going
to
be
we're
going
to
publish
them
on
the
wall
or
whatever,
and
if
you
have
so
many
convictions
for
this
or
so
many
violations
for
that
and
the
city's
not
going
to
tell
them
what
that
is,
but
they're
they
need
to
come
up
with
some
triggers.
AE
AE
You
know,
unless
we,
unless
we
can
prove
and
bring
a
case,
which
I
don't
think
I
don't
sense
that
there's
a
political
will
to
do
to
sue
the
hope
center
for
public
nuisance,
because
at
some
point
you
can
say
under
the
public
nuisance
law.
What
you're
doing
as
an
agency
is,
is
generating
a
public
nuisance.
AE
But
I
don't
think
that
the
city
really
is
at
the
point
where
it
wants
to
go
that
way.
I
think
everybody
wants
to
have
a
cooperative
resolution,
so
I
think
my
recommendation
would
be
let's
try
that.
First,
if
the
agency
can
sort
of
write
its
own
ship,
then
let's
and
the
police
department
can
work
with
him
on
that.
A
Thank
you.
Well,
the
people
of
tarpon
springs
are
very
generous,
our
local
organizations
and
churches
providing
hot
meals
every
day,
and-
and
I
tell
you,
I
am
very
appreciative
to
the
shepherd
center
to
the
churches
and
to
all
their
organizations
they're,
providing
meals
to
the
to
the
homeless,
to
everyone
in
need.
A
These
good
programs,
though
attracting
homeless
people
from
surrounding
cities
to
tarpon
springs
in
order
to
have
a
hot
meal
and
they're
creating
problems
from
for
the
downtown
people
for
the
our
local
businesses,
and
we
not
only
we
receive
many
complaints,
but
also
we,
you
know
we'll
be
getting
many
photographs
from
different
businesses
and-
and
we
can
see
that
as
well,
the
police
department
is
working
hard
trying
to
to
so.
A
You
know
to
control
the
situation,
but
they
need
the
help
of
of
the
you
know
the
and
the
cooperation
over
all
the
organizations
and
the
churches.
Recently
we
removed
the
the
benches
from
the
library
and,
yes,
it
did
help
there.
A
The
police
report,
though,
shows
that,
by
removing
the
benches
from
the
library,
the
people,
of
course
they
had
to
go
to
someplace
else.
So
what
we
did
was
just
relocate
the
the
problem
to
another
location
and
the
problem
is
still
there.
So
we
cannot
keep
going
and
reel
in
remove
the
benches,
so
we
need
to
come
some
kind
of
a
solution.
A
One
of
the
suggestions
that
I
heard
from
mr
palais
and
as
well
from
major
young
is
to
create
a
small
committee
to
address
the
hot
spot
issue
and
I
notice
mr
palladis
is
not
here,
but
I
would
like
to
ask
our
major
young
if
you
can
explain
what
kind
of
a
benefit
that
we
have
about.
Creating
a
small
community.
A
A
Okay,
you
know
creating
a
small
community.
That's
not
you
know
it's
easy
to
do.
I'm
just
not
sure
that's
going
to
be
a
fixed
of
the
problem
that
we're
facing
I'm
probably
going
to
help.
A
So
I
like
to
hear
from
our
fellow
commissions
on
that-
and
I
also
agree
with
the
suggestion
of
vice
mayor
carr-
that
he
had
made
in
a
meeting
a
couple
months
ago
that,
and
also
our
commissioner
of
atticus
alluded
to
the
same
thing
that
we
should
have
one
place,
perhaps
near
the
u.s
19,
where
the
organizations
and
churches
can
provide
hot
meals
to
the
homeless
people,
and
I
believe
the
city
should
provide
some
kind
of
a
funding.
For
that.
A
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
go
to
vice
mayor
carr,.
F
Thanks
mayor,
thank
you
all
for
public
comments
tonight
and
person
and
online.
We
obviously
have
a
very
passionate
community
city
of
tarpon
springs.
That
goes
back
for
many
many
years.
F
I
do
believe
the
city
provides
some
type
of
funding
to
organization
and
pinellas.
I
don't
know
if
it's
in
saint
peter,
where
it's
at
maybe
five
thousand
dollars
a
year,
but
it
might
be
a
good
idea.
I
think
to
look
at
those
funds
to
move
it
towards
actually
the
residents
or
the
the
homeless
within
tarpon
springs
and
utilizing
the
funds
in
our
own
backyard
instead
of
somewhere
else
in
the
county.
F
F
Looking
at,
like
location-wise
north
of
the
river
or
an
industrial
park
versus
highway
19.,
I
do
think
highway.
19
would
be
more
of
an
ideal
situation
when
you
get
north
of
the
river,
you
have
more
developments
that
are
going
in
up
there
you're.
Also,
I'm
not.
I
just
think
using
highway.
19
would
be
a
better
option.
F
So
a
couple
questions
I
have
for
the
staff
that
I'd
like
some
additional
information
on
to
come
back
on
would
be
how
many
public
housing
units
are
in
tarpon
springs.
I
understand.
There's
a
lot
of
public
housing
within
tarpon
springs.
Currently
today
it
ranges
from
senior
housing
to
low-income
housing.
F
F
I
would
like
to
find
out
what
their
plan
is
with
those
buildings
and
is
there
an
option
to
partner
with
the
housing
authority
to
do
some
type
of
housing
that
was
discussed
tonight
for
transient
housing
or
in
between
housing?
I
don't
know
exactly
the
correct
verbiage.
F
How
can
the
city
with
the
police
department
work
with
the
shepherd
center
to
hold
the
nuisance?
Individuals
accountable,
I
think
any
an
individual.
I
think
I
believe
that
was
staffed
at
the
shepherd
center
brought
up
a
neat
suggestion
where
it
said
requiring
a
class,
so
it
would
be
if
someone
is
arrested
for
a
prohibited
reason
similar.
I
think
the
city
attorney
brought
something
similar
too,
that
they
would
be
required
to
take
some
type
of
class
or,
if
they
don't
take
that
class,
they
wouldn't
be
allowed
any
longer
at
the
shepherd
center.
F
Now
I
think
that's
something
that
would
be
welcomed
by
the
community,
although
I
believe
aydah
did
mention
that
all
are
welcome
for
feeding,
but
realistically
we
need
to
come
together
and
say:
where
are
the
nuisances
who's
causing
the
nuisance
issues
and
how
we're
going
to
solve
for
that?
So,
if
we're
going
to
continue
to
support
nuisance
and
to
continue
to
support
issues
like
this
and
not
hold
people
accountable,
I
don't
think
we're
doing
what
the
residents
have
asked
us
to
do.
F
F
F
F
I
don't
think
a
solution
is
going
to
be
determined
tonight,
but
I
think
these
are
some
questions
that
we
should
ask
and
have
answers
to
to
move
forward,
as
we
continue
to
evaluate
the
options
available
before
us.
I
do
think
it's
important
to
have
some
type
of
centralized
area.
I
do
think
it's
best
to
have
it
out
by
19.,
and
one
further
question
I
have
too
is:
is
there
a
way
to
partner
with
a
one
of
the
motels
out
on
u.s,
highway
19
as
an
alternative,
or
maybe
that's
happening
today?
F
I'm
not
I'm
not
aware
of
it
for
these
individuals
that
need
a
place
to
stay
that
are
on
the
streets.
Is
there
a
way
to
provide
some
type
of
voucher
work
in
the
can
the
city
work
at
the
shepherd
center
or
other
non-profits,
or
the
county
for
funding
for
north
county
to
create
housing
for
a
temporary
housing
for
these
individuals
until
they
get
back
up
on
their
feet
or
find
another
solution
to
stay
with
a
relative
or
relocate
to
be
with
family
somewhere
else?
Thank
you.
A
A
J
Mayor
yeah
again
I
mean
this
is
something
that
people
within
the
community
have
wanted
to
talk
about
for
a
long
time,
and
we
have
talked
about
throughout
the
course
of
time,
but
we
haven't
really
established
a
channel
to
move
forward
in,
and
I
think
that
there
was
a
few
things
that
were
talked
about
tonight,
which
I
have
some
notes
on.
J
So
for
me
you
know
I
I
have
compassion
towards
the
less
fortunate
and
obviously
I
think
everybody
on
this
board
wants
to
make
sure
that
our
that
our
residents
are
fed
and
have
a
place
to
sleep
and
have
common
necessities
like
food
and
shelter.
I
also
think
that,
based
on
this
meeting
tonight,
that
we
all
agree
that
there
are,
you
know,
a
select
few
that
cause
the
most
harm
and
disruption
to
our
community.
J
So
for
me,
I'm
not
willing
to
let
this
issue
continue
to
progress
at
the
expense
of
our
law,
abiding
citizens
in
the
business
community.
So
the
the
four
notes
that
I
made
are
one
accountability,
two
strength
and
ordinances,
three,
a
focus
group
and
then
also
I
I
had
in
my
notes.
J
I
think,
would
be
a
good
thing
on
accountability.
That's
where
I'm
going
to
look
toward
to
the
shepherd
center
and
the
other
care
providers
to
step
up
to
the
plate
and
make
a
good
faith
gesture
as
we
come
to
them
with
solutions
or
ideas
such
as
hey
the
pd
has.
You
know
noted
that
we
have
these
five
individuals
they've
continued
to
disgrace
the
town
in
one
way
or
another,
and
they
are
a
nuisance
problem.
And
you
know
we
have
a
form
of
criteria
that
says
if
they
have.
J
If
they
do
x,
y
and
z
repetitively,
then
they
can
no
longer
come
to
the
shepherd
center
for
service.
I
don't
think
that
that
is
too
much
to
ask
as
a
community
strength
and
ordinances.
That's
something,
mr
eschenfelder,
that
I
would
look
for
you
to
give
some
direction
to
this
board
as
our
legal
counsel.
J
So
I
know
other
communities
are
also
faced
with
this
as
it's
a
national
challenge,
but
I
know
that
other
communities
are
taking
the
step
in
the
similar
direction
in
which
we're
trying
to
take
whether
it's
no
sleeping
on
bench
ordinance
or
you
know
any
other
kind
of
ordinances
that
you
think
you
know
the
direction
of
this
board.
So
please,
please,
inform
us
more
so
and
provide
us
with
some
examples
that
we
can
take
and
build
upon.
J
The
focus
group
is,
I
think,
is
a
good
idea.
I
mean
we
know
that
it
can
be
a
challenge
to
get
this
board
together
to
handle
this
type
of
business,
in
addition
to
the
other
business
that
we
handle.
So
the
focus
group,
I
think,
is
a
good
idea
and
should
consist
of
someone
from
the
pd,
this
commission
and
the
group
of
providers
within
the
community,
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
I
think
the
resource
officer
is
a
good
good
idea.
J
In
addition
to
officer
boone,
not
necessarily
someone
to
carry
a
badge,
maybe
they
do
but
someone
who
certainly
has
more
training
in
the
social
arena.
So
you
know
in
a
nutshell.
Those
are
the
four
things.
The
four
takeaways
that
I
have
from
this
meeting:
accountability,
certainly
being
one
of
the
bigger
ones.
But
again,
as
attorney
eshen
felder
noted
the
president
of
the
board.
J
I
think
made
that
made
that
commitment
to
the
board
or
made
that
commitment
tonight,
so
we're
definitely
not
going
to
solve
it
tonight,
but
I
think
that
those
four
avenues
are
are
good
areas
for
us
to
move
forward
and
and
mayor.
I
know
you're
going
to
ask
me
whether
or
not
I
support
the
possible
funding
for
an
off-site
facility
for
some
of
what
we're
talking
about
some
feeding
and
sheltering.
I
do
support
that.
J
I
think
that
you
know
in
this
day
and
age
that
we
do
need
to
be
putting
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
to
a
degree
as
it
relates
to
the
chronic
homeless
and
and
some
additional
funding
for
mental
health
issues
or
different
addictions
and
abuses,
and
and
try
and
put
the
right
foot
forward
with
providing
some
shelter
for
these
people.
J
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
it
would
be
nice
not
not
to
put
it
on
the
outskirts
of
turn
or
outskirts
of
town,
but
to
put
it
in
an
appropriate
place
where
there
are
more
resources,
as
it
relates
to
transportation
and
just
a
better
suitable
place
than
right
in
the
middle
of
our
of
our
business
district.
So
I
would
su
support
that
that
notion.
Obviously
it
would
be
nice
to
know
more
about
it
and
you
know
amount
of
funding
where
it
is
et
cetera
who
the
other
players
are
at
the
table.
A
This
is
just
to
authorize
the
device
mirror
to
get
with
the
with
the
provider
service
providers
and
also
look
for
a
place,
and
then
you
will
come
back
to
us
and
see
what's
involved.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you
to
everybody
that
came
out
tonight
spoke
over
zoom.
This
is
a
really
important
issue
again,
I
I
serve
on
the
homeless
leadership
alliance
at
pinellas
and
just
just
to
educate
everybody
on.
You
know
an
issue
that
I
always
fight
for.
There
is
more
representation
for
north
county
because,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
homeless
leadership
alliance
is
a
fantastic
organization.
K
They
do
so
much
to
combat
homelessness
in
the
county,
but
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
representation
here
in
north
county,
for
example,
I
don't
work
with
anybody
from
dunedin.
I
work
with
anybody
from
palm
harbor
safety,
harbor,
oldsmar,
holiday
tarpon
springs
is
on
a
little
bit
of
an
island
on
that
board.
K
K
K
Regarding
a
small
committee
or
focus
group,
whatever
we've
been
calling
it,
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I'd
be
happy
to
be
a
liaison
that
worked
on
that
committee.
It
would
make
sense
because
I'm
already
serving
on
the
hla,
the
only
thing
I'm
worried
about
is
you
know
we
want
to
hear
from
as
many
people
as
possible,
but
we
can't
possibly
open
up
that
many
seats
on
a
committee
or
else
there's
going
to
be
paralysis
by
analysis.
There's
going
to
be,
you
know,
50
people
on
a
committee.
K
So
that's
something
that
maybe
we
need
more
discussion
here
tonight
before
we
direct
staff
to
do
it
is
just
you
know.
If
we're
going
to
create
a
small
committee,
which
I
support
and
I'd
love
to
be
a
part
of
how
many
positions
are
we
going
to
hold
or
is
it
going
to
be
more
small,
but
people
are
invited
to
come
and
participate
in
the
meeting?
That's.
What
I
would
recommend
is
that
you
know
if
it's
a
smaller
committee,
we're
still
welcoming
public
comments
at
our
meetings,
we're
still
keeping
the
public
involved
throughout
the
process.
K
I
think
that's
the
best
way
to
go
about
it,
but
also
not
have
you
know,
50
people
voting
on
an
issue
or
deciding
what
to
bring
forward
before
the
commission
to
touch
on
some
of
the
other
consensus
items
you
were
looking
for
mayor
the
housing
facility,
I'm
happy
to
look
into
it.
I
find
a
direct
staff
to
look
into
it.
I
don't
want
to
commit
to
something
before
I
know
what
the
cost
is.
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
going
to
say
you
know
full
steam
ahead,
but
I
would
love
to
look
into
it.
K
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
idea
as
far
as
the
location
of
the
feedings
and
maybe
getting
them
along
us
19,
I
just
don't
believe
we
can
control
the
location
of
the
feedings.
You
know
the
churches
and
the
nonprofits
are
their
own
separate
entities,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
can
tell
them
not
to
serve
the
needy
on
site.
Necessarily,
you
know
good
luck
to
on
a
church
to
shut
its
doors
and
say
sorry,
you
got
to
go
up
to
us
19.,
I
just
don't.
A
So,
just
to
clarify
that
you're,
okay
with
the
create
a
committee
but
not
do
you
have
a
centralized
area.
A
How
many
members
on
the
committee
that
you're
suggesting
being
that
you're
already
on
a
homeless
leadership.
K
That's
something
for
us
to
discuss.
You
know
the
hla
is
up
to
27
members.
So
so
that's
that's
sometimes
where
I
mentioned
the
paralysis
by
analysis
of
just
you
know.
You
want
to
include
everybody
in
the
conversation,
but
at
the
same
time,
is
it
going
to
be
one
person
from
every
single
church
in
town?
Is
it
going
to
be
business
owners?
Is
it
going
to
be
whatever
we
decide?
A
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank.
L
You
know
I
I
I
appreciate
the
discussion
this
evening.
It's
it's
very
helpful.
L
The
problem
I'm
having
is
that
everything
that's
being
discussed
is
somewhat
short
term
and,
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
why
I
I
think
we
need
to
look
a
little
beyond
the
horizon,
that
we're
setting
for
ourselves
number
one.
The
shepherd
center
is
extremely
successful.
L
I
spoke
to
city
manager
and
we've
talked
about
this
before,
and
he
reminded
me
about
the
original
location
for
the
shepherd
center
was
going
to
be
out
by
behind
the
publix,
and
there
were
some
issues
with
that,
and
then
we
wound
up
with
mr
weissman's
property
that
was
purchased
some
number
of
years
ago.
So
it
is
there,
it's
not
going
to
go
anywhere
and
we
have
absolutely
no
authority
over
telling
the
shepherd
center
how
they
can
operate.
L
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
clear,
that's
how
what
that's
that's
my
sense
in
all
of
this,
because
of
that
and
if
you've
been
down
there,
there's
an
awful
lot
of
activity.
L
So
if
that,
if
that
growth
continues,
we're
going
to
be
right
back
here
in
about
another
two
years
discussing
the
same
issue.
Unless
we
start
looking
at
a
more
permanent
solution,
or
at
least
assisting
with
that,
we
don't
have,
we
can't
dictate
the
solution
to
the
shepherd
center
and,
as
I
said,
the
one
thing
that
is
good
is
that
the
shepherd
center
has
has
consolidated
itself
as
the
premier
organization
for
the
services
that
they
provide
up.
L
Until
I
would
say,
maybe
10
years
ago
at
least
when
I
was
city
manager,
it
was
the
ministerial
association
that
did
all
of
that,
and
now
we've
got
the
shepherd
center
with
the
lutheran
church
having
feeding
one
day
a
week
and
then,
of
course,
to
allow
the
shepherd
center
to
do
clean
up
and
then,
of
course,
saint
nicholas
greek
orthodox
church
provides
volunteers
for
monday.
L
L
I
would
rather
hear
that
the
location
come
from
the
people
that
know
more
about
this
than
we
do
to
have
them
come
back
and
tell
us
where
this
should
be,
whether
it's
a
transitional
housing
facility,
whether
it's
something
that
is
intermediate
to
to
get
to
that
point.
L
There
needs
to
be
some
kind
of
a
plan
that's
created
in
order
to
a
longer-range
plan,
that's
created
to
to
solve
this
for
the
city
rather
than
trying
to
get
together
every
year
or
two
and
deal
with
the
problems
that
we're
having
that
are
really
stemming
from
their
nuisance
problems.
Nobody
wants
them,
I
wouldn't
even
want
them
at
my
home,
and
the
business
community
is
suffering
from
that.
So
I
understand
that
completely.
L
If,
for
example,
if
we
say
we're
going
to
rent
a
place
on
u.s
19
and
the
shepherd
center
says
fine,
you
do
what
you
want
we're
going
to
continue
doing
what
we
want.
What
we
do
here
are
we
sure,
we'll
serve
food
there
just
to
to
to
kind
of
satisfy
the
commission,
but
then
they're
going
to
continue
with
the
activities
downtown
we're
not
going
to
have
we're
not
going
to
see
much
of
an
improvement
of
what
of
the
issues
that
we've
seen
come
the
issues
that
have
created
this
meeting.
L
The
reason
why
we're
here
discussing
this
this
evening,
so
I
think,
long
term-
there
needs
to
be
a
movement
to
relocate
these
services
at
the
outskirts
of
the
city.
I'm
not
specific.
I
and
I
want
to
say
this,
isn't
my
idea.
This
is
ms
dale
geiss's
idea.
I
didn't
come
up
with
a
north
anclote.
I
didn't
come
up
with
15
000
square
feet.
This
was
her
idea,
so
evidently
she's
put
some
time
into
this,
and
maybe
she's
discussed
that
with
some
of
her
board.
L
So
I
think
we
need
to
allow
her
the
courtesy
of
of
of
fleshing
that
idea
out
a
little
more
and
then
perhaps
coming
back
to
us
before
we
start
dictating
or
telling
ms
delgais
that
we'll
rent
you
a
building
out
on
us
19.
L
so-
and
I
didn't
have
that
much
time
to
to
spend
with
her
today
it
was-
it
was
a
couple
of
hours.
I'm
sure
she
has
a
lot
more
detail
that
she
can
share,
that
we
just
didn't
have
the
time
to
get
into
it
number.
L
I
think
you
mentioned
safety
harbor
today,
and
but
it
is
certainly
those
areas
to
the
north
of
us.
I'm
sorry
to
the
south
of
us.
It
a
lot
of
it's
unincorporated,
pinellas
county.
There's,
absolutely
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
if
we
approach
pinellas
county
with
some
kind
of
plan
in
the
future
that
they
would
participate
in
some
way,
but
we
have
to
have
something
to
discuss
with
them
since
we're
we're
and
it
may
not
be
the
homeless.
L
But
it's
certainly,
people
are
driving
into
town
from
palm
harbor
to
pick
up
their
boxes
of
food,
those
200,
not
just
the
40,
but
the
200
or
so
are
picking
up
their
food
and
taking
it
home
with
them.
So
I'm
very
proud
that
tarpon
springs
is
able
to
serve
this
greater
area
around
us
and
that
we
should
very.
We
should
be
supportive
of
that
and
I
think
pinellas
county.
L
We
should
not
be
shy
about
asking
them
for
some
help
as
well,
if,
if
it
involves
the
county
purchasing
land
for
us
for
for
us
for
the
city
and
the
shepherd
center,
that's
something
that
they
should
do.
If
there's
some
partnering
that
the
city
can
do
with
with
helping
construct
a
manufacturing
building,
that's
something
that
can
be
discussed.
L
I'm
not
saying
that's
what
we
should
do,
but
at
least
it
ought
to
be
discussed
and
listened
to
the
shepherd
center
and
and
their
group
of
of
supporters
have
been
in
this
a
lot
longer
than
than
I
have-
and
I
think
most
of
us
here
this
evening.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
more
from
them
in
that
regard,
but
I
certainly
don't
want
to
tell
the
shepherd
center.
L
L
I
think
I
would
like
to
see
the
the
if
it's
going
to
be
the
acting
police
chief
young
to
work
with
the
shepherd
center
and
see
if
there
can
be
some
program.
That's
established,
basically
on
a
privileged
basis
that
if
you
continue
being
a
nuisance
and
that
sort
of
thing
you
would
lose
your
privileges
at
the
shepherd
center
or
perhaps
required
to
take
a
class
as
the
one
young
lady
had
stated
earlier.
I
can't
I
apologize.
I
can't
remember
her
name,
but
but
that's
certainly
a
viable
approach
to
take
as
far
as
accountability.
L
I
do
know
that
the
shepherd
center,
because
we
discussed
it
with
the
condition
of
the
the
gazebo
and
the
condition
of
the
corner
there
at
lyman.
It
was
a
lot
better
than
what
I
saw
at
the
at
court
street
in
pinellas
avenue
so
they're
doing
their
own
policing,
and
perhaps
that
could
be
expanded
to
include
that
other
corner.
That
seems
to
be
a
nuisance
as
well.
So
I
think
an
accountability.
L
L
I
think,
as
far
as
the
public
housing
that
was
mentioned,
ms
dill
geiss-
and
I
spoke
about
that-
they
have
talked
to
the
housing
authority,
there's
a
waiting
list
for
people
to
get
in.
But
yes,
that
would
be
the
same
sort
of
programs
that
would
house
the
homeless
that
or
that
that
visit
the
shepherd
center
that
are
on
the
streets.
That
would
be
the
same
program
that
would
benefit
them
except
there's
nothing
available
and
it's
a
federal
program
and
there's
federal
funds
that
you
work
through
on
that.
L
L
Let
acting
chief
young
and
ms
dale
guys
determine
a
membership
for
that
and
make
their
recommendation
to
the
commission
rather
than
the
commission,
telling
them
how
to
establish
this
committee,
since
those
two
are
the
most
they're,
the
biggest
stakeholders
in
all
of
this
rpds,
expend
an
awful
lot
of
resources
on
chasing
the
homeless
around
the
nuisances
reacting
to
problems,
picking
them
up,
taking
them
down
to
the
county,
doing
a
variety
of
other
jobs
along
that
line,
and
they
do
a
very
good
job
in
that
I'm
sure
they
would
like
to
do
a
better
job,
but
there's
only
so
many
police
officers
and
we
and
there's
so
many
people
running
around
with
these
creating
these
nuisances,
so
the
police
department's,
a
very
big
stakeholder.
L
You
already
heard
ms
dale
geiss.
They
are
equivalent
to
six
million
dollars
a
year,
which
is
about
10
percent
of
the
city's
budget.
That's
an
extraordinary
amount
of
effort,
resources
that
goes
into
the
services
that
they
pride
that
they
provide
here
in
tarpon
springs,
and
we
should
all
be
very
proud
of
that.
L
But
because
of
that,
and
because
of
the
investment
that
the
pd
does
has
in
the
in
in
the
homeless,
I
would
like
to
hear
from
those
two
as
determining
the
membership
and
then
making
a
recommendation
on
that
and
then
also
whatever
membership.
L
There
is
on
that
stakeholder
committee
and-
and
I
think
it
not
only
should
discuss
this
accountability
program,
but
it
should
discuss
a
little
longer
term,
a
little
longer
term
approach
such
as
this
facility
for
transitional
housing
and
moving
the
feeding
of
the
homeless
out
to
the
outskirts
of
town,
we're
we're
not
doing
anything
by
insulting
people.
I
mean,
I,
I
don't
know
the
homeless
people,
I've
not
been
homeless,
I've
seen
homeless,
I've
talked
to
them.
I
don't
know
how
they
feel.
L
I
don't
know
whether
they
would
be
more
comfortable
at
the
outskirts
of
town.
I
don't
know
whether
they
would
be
more
comfortable
in
town.
I
just
don't
know-
and
I'm
not
going
to
tell
you
that
I
know,
but
I
think
that's
for
something
that
ms
geiss
ms
geist
need
del
geist
needs
to
come
back
with
and
also
police
acting
chief
young
needs
to
come
back
with
and
and
and
at
least
give
us
a
report,
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
report
in
three
months.
L
L
A
Thank
you
well,
listening
to,
everyone
seems
like
we
have
a
consensus
to
create
a
a
committee
with
the
stakeholders
and
if
we
direct
our
city
manager
to
work
with
the
stakeholders
to
create
that,
and
commissioner
donovan
volunteered
to
represent
the
board
of
commissioners-
and
I
appreciate
them
very
much-
I
think
that's
the
consensus
that
we
have.
A
AE
Well,
I
I
just
before
you
create
a
board.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
commission
understands
that
if,
if
we
are
creating
a
board,
it
is
a
sunshine
board,
a
public
records
board,
so
everybody
who
gets
appointed
by
whoever
you're
about
to
designate
be
the
appointing
official
is
going
to
have
to
understand
that
they
can't
talk
to
each
other
about
the
board's
work
outside
of
the
sunshine.
AE
AE
Have
this
be
a
staff
analysis,
and
then
the
city
manager
has
the
ability
to
reach
out
into
the
community
and
talk
to
all
of
the
stakeholders
that
he
and
the
police
department
need
to
to
get
factual
information
or
expertise
or
whatnot,
without
calling
it
a
committee
and
having
it
vote
on
things,
but
instead
just
providing
a
feedback,
and
then
your
your
manager
would
be
the
one
to
come
back
with
whatever
recommendations
that
he
gets.
That's
an
option.
You
can
still
create
a
board
in.
A
Your
opinion,
it
will
be
okay
if
we
have
commission
donovan
to
be
on
board
on
the
on
this
committee
on
this
group.
If
you
will.
AE
Well,
I
think
commissioner
donovan
and
the
the
nonprofit
that
he
sits
on
or
the
advisory
homeless
that
he
sits
on,
can
certainly
provide
the
city
manager
with
its
its
input
and
viewpoints
as
well.
But
there
really
would
be
no
thing
for
commissioner
donovan
to
sit
on.
AE
It
would
be
the
city
manager
saying
I
have
been
tasked
by
the
commission
with
examining
these
issues
with
gathering
input
from
the
business
community
from
the
homeless
community
from
all
the
stakeholders,
and
then
I,
the
city
manager
and
my
staff,
will
produce
a
list
of
recommendations
for
the
commission
to
adopt.
Some
of
them
may
be
policy.
Some
of
them
may
be
funding.
AE
A
Well
then,
in
my
opinion,
I
think
it
will
be
better
if
we
take
your
suggestion
on
the
to
have
a
group
of
people
working
with
mr
lakers.
This
way
they
can
call
each
other
and
and
pass
on
information
to
each
other,
communicate
with
each.
L
I
think
that
was
what
I
was
talking
about.
I
don't
want
to
overly
complicate
that
the
city
managers
agreeing
with
that.
I
think,
there's
a
lot
more,
that
we
need
to
learn
before
we
start
establishing
committees,
and
things
like
that.
I
think
just
getting
the
two
main
stakeholders
together
get
their
thoughts
together.
Have
an
interim
report
in
three
months
provide
a
report
of
where
they
think
we
ought
to
go?
L
I
I
think
the
city
manager,
with
the
input
from
acting
chief
young,
is
going
to
come
back
and
and
along
with
the
cooperation
of
the
shepherd
center,
we'll
have
this
accountability
program,
which
I
think
is
the
short-term
issue.
If,
if
we
can
establish
some
procedure,
that
would
be
the
way
it
would
come
and
I
think
the
city
manager
will
come
back
with
some
report
by
probably
acting
chief
young
to
let
us
know
what
the
program
is.
I
I
at
least
that's
how
I
envision
this.
A
You
can
does.
AE
K
A
A
Okay
with
that,
I'm
good
you're,
good,
okay,
commissioners,
you
had
something
else.
You
would
like
to
say
no.
I
was
saying.
L
I
I
mean,
if
you
keep
it
informal
anybody,
I
get
invited
to
the
sponge
docs
meetings
all
the
time,
so
I'm
kept
abreast.
They
can
invite
you
mayor.
They
can
invite
vice
mayor
carr.
So
I
like
the
idea
of
keeping
it
informal.
That
was
the
whole
idea
and
I
think
that's
what
commissioner
donovan
is
saying
so.
A
Thank
you
looks
like
we
have
a
consensus
to
do
just
that,
mr
recruiters.
Yes,
that's
all
the
other
things
good
seems
clear,
I'm
good!
Okay!
If
we
have
no
more
comments,
the
the
meeting
is
adjourned.