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A
D
As
the
psalmist
prayed
many
years
ago,
behold,
thou
lovest
truth,
thou
hast,
manifested
to
me
the
secret
and
hidden
things
of
thy
wisdom.
In
the
same
way,
we
pray
that
thou
would
manifest
to
these
leaders.
The
secret
and
hidden
things
of
thy
wisdom
bless
those
who
are
here
to
express
their
convictions
and
opinions.
D
A
We
will
continue
the
meeting
from
where
left
off
and
if
you
notice
the
we
have
a
very
large
agenda
tonight
with
a
very
important
items
and
I'm
asking
every
everyone's
cooperation,
so
we
can
complete
this
entire
agenda.
A
Before
we
go
to
the
public
comments,
I
would
like
to
remind
to
everyone
that,
based
on
the
city,
rules
and
procedures,
all
public
comments
must
be
directed
only
to
the
chair
of
the
meeting
in
a
professional
manner,
with
respect
without
our
personal
attacks
and
with
that
we're
going
to
go
to
the
public
comments
on
the
items
that
will
not
be
discussed
tonight.
If
you
have
any
comments,
please
come
forward
to
the
podium
state.
Your
name
and
your
address
you'll
be
given
four
minutes.
Thank
you.
F
Is
it
necessary
to
sign
into
this
let's
it'll
be
good?
Does
that
count
as
part
of
my
four
minutes.
F
Good
evening,
everyone,
my
name-
is
carl
waggenfore.
I'm
happy
to
use
my
four
minutes
tonight
in
a
continuation
of
my
effort
from
last
meeting
to
have
some
discussion
of
the
hearings
that
we
that
lie
ahead
of
us
in
october
and
november,
but
in
a
non-contentious
more
of
an
educational
environment.
Tonight,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
discuss
with
you,
the
anclote
river
watershed
management
plan,
which
was
to
some
extent
the
joint
effort
between
the
city
of
tarpon,
springs
and
pinellas
county.
There's
a
lot
of
advice
in
this
document.
It's
nearly
100
pages.
F
This
effort
was
started
back
in
2017,
it's
four
years
in
coming,
pretty
pretty
remarkable
and
actually
pretty
comprehensive.
The
goals
and
objectives
of
the
watershed
management
plan
was
the
county
conjunction
with
swift
mud
and
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
identified
the
implementation
of
a
watershed
management
program
as
one
of
the
comprehensive
watershed
management
initiatives.
F
This
program
provides
a
methodology
to
evaluate
the
capacity
of
a
watershed,
to
protect,
enhance
and
restore
water
quality
and
natural
systems,
while
achieving
flood
project
protection.
I'm
going
to
skip
ahead
a
great
deal
here.
The
the
document
outlines
best
management
practices
and
there's
actually
a
table
of
nine
of
them
here
in
one
of
the
pages
number
one
is
the
project:
name
is
natural
systems,
enhancement,
east
of
u.s,
highway,
19,
north,
an
area
of
some
780
acres,
which
includes
the
parcel
that
we'll
be
discussing
in
much
more
detail
next
month.
F
The
project
benefit
that
they
describe
is
performing.
The
above
actions
will
allow
the
plan
to
be
established
to
create
a
hold
the
line
baseline
to
preserve
this
existing
riparian
estuarine
system
and
allow
for
natural
systems
enhancement
in
the
upper
reach
of
pinellas
county
portion
of
the
anclote
river.
F
G
Good
evening,
mayor
and
board
of
commissioners,
anita
protis
901
base
short
drive.
The
october
magazine
of
tampa
bay
has
a
beautiful
picture
on
the
front
from
christopher
stills
on
tarpon
springs
a
magnificent
article
mayor.
Thank
you
for
being
a
participant
in
the
interview.
G
He's
done
a
lot
for
tarpon
in
the
rotunda,
at
the
capitol
and
through
all
areas
of
the
capitol
he
has
painted
pictures
depleting
areas
of
tarpon
springs
and
sponge.
Diving
he's
done
a
wonderful
job
and
he
lectures
all
over
the
state
and
out
of
the
state
about
tarpon
springs
and
why
he
chose
tarpon
and
what
he
uses
in
his
pictures.
G
So
I
think
that
the
city
needs
to
think
of
a
way
to
honor
christopher
stills,
because
he
has
really
really
promoted
tarpon
and
its
beauty
and
mayor.
I
suggest
you
get
a
magazine
and
when
you
go
to
greece,
take
your
picture
showing
the
magazine
with
the
people
of
the
area
and,
let's
put
it
in
the
tampa
bay,
to
show
how
proud
and
thankful
we
are
because
tampa
bay
magazine
has
given
us
a
lot
of
free
publicity.
G
H
Good
evening,
mayor
and
fellow
commissioners,
my
name
is
robert
rockline.
I
live
at
755
north
lake
boulevard
here
in
toppin,
I'm
going
to
read
so
I
can
be
quick
and
concise
if
you
don't
mind,
I'm
a
fairly
new
resident
here
and
I'm
often
back
and
forth
up
north
for
work,
but
change
the
flight
from
tonight
to
tomorrow.
So
I
could
attend
finally
in
person
and
speak
at
the
board
of
commissioners
meeting.
I
wanted
to
also
commend
many
of
the
employees
in
various
departments
who
have
been
both
professional,
transparent
and
friendly.
H
Not
for
the
north
lake
sure
no!
No,
although
that's
where
I
reside
in
the
prince,
so
I've
been
in
public
service
for
39
years,
various
municipal
roles
and
jurisdictions,
partly
law
enforcement,
partly
code
enforcement.
I
commend
all
of
you
for
your
willingness
to
serve
in
your
current
capacities.
It's
not
an
easy
job.
I
know
that
for
a
fact.
During
that
time,
I
had
you
know
a
30-year
involvement
because
of
my
various
roles
with
various
civic
organizations
and
community
affairs.
H
I've
served
on
several
boards.
I
still
do
for
three.
I
was
the
president
of
a
500
family,
civic
association
for
over
10
years.
It's
not
easy.
You
become
the
magnet
for
complaints
and
what
are
we
doing
instead
of
what
are
you
doing
during
that
time?
We
were
pro
many
large
projects.
We
would
con
many
large
projects
and
there
was
even
one
that
was
an
even
tie
with
the
membership
with
the
board
and
and
such.
H
But
during
that
time
I've
learned
to
work
with
all
our
local
elected
officials,
from
congressmen,
state
senators,
assembly
persons,
county
officials
and,
of
course,
town
and
village
mayors
and
boards.
I've
also
enjoyed
alliances
with
other
civic
groups
on
many
levels
and
we've
learned
to
lurk
collectively
with
them,
despite
differences
of
opinions
or
independent
priorities.
H
I've
also
learned
that
compromise
in
a
fact
is
a
true
art.
You
can
often
not
make
everyone
happy
and
sometimes
the
goal
can
become
not
making
everybody
unhappy.
I
do
my
best
always
to
not
let
perception
become
fact
and
not
let
opinion
become
fact.
I've
often
seen
many
laws
told
so
many
times
that
people
believe
them
to
be
true
and
there's
no
basis
in
fact,
for
them,
so
I
prefer
to
deal
only
with
the
facts
and
their
realistic
impact,
whether
they
be
good
or
bad
going
forward.
H
I've
heard
very
little
about
it
prior
to
my
home
purchase,
but
have
endeavored
to
learn
a
lot
more
since,
as
my
current
community
of
north
lake
is
one
of
the
several
residential
clusters
being
closest
to
it,
I
know
all
too
well
that
a
clear
sight
is
a
builder's
dream.
It's
like
a
blank
canvas
and
being
familiar
with
both
residential
and
commercial
site
plans.
H
This
one
appears
to
be
a
very
well
designed
project,
but
my
greatest
concern,
along
with
every
neighbor
and
city
resident,
that
I've
encountered
is
its
location
and
its
sheer
impact
due
to
size,
especially
for
the
environmental
concerns.
Most
large
developers
will
offer
substantial
community
benefits
to
the
jurisdictions
gifting
school
districts.
Building
new
buildings
million
dollar
is
is
pretty
much
the
standard
price
for
them
to
bestow
to
kind
of
you
know
make
up
for
what
they're
taking
building
new
infrastructure
where
needed
is,
is
also
very
common
and
highly
encouraged.
H
So
I
asked
this
board:
what
is
the
developer,
giving
to
the
city
and
to
the
taxpayers,
or
are
they
just
getting?
I
haven't
really
heard
of
anything,
yet
I
don't
know
if
there
is,
but
we
already
know
what
the
community
is
losing
as
far
as
environmental
assets
and
open
space,
and
it's
you
know,
it
says
where,
where
where
is
this
benefit?
Is
there
somewhere?
You
know
something
back
door
that
we're
not
aware
about
there's
a
lot
of
chatter,
about
the
cross-pollination
and
the
public
and
private
interest.
H
Here
but
I
start
out
not
believing
any
of
that,
so
I
wait
for
the
facts.
Certainly
government
does
need
to
be
an
enabler
for
development
and
revitalization,
but
showing
them
the
staircase
first
before
the
elevator
is
always
preferable.
Let's
garner
what
we
can
from
them
before
we
give
anything
to
them.
The
use
of
virgin
land
should
always
be
the
last
choice,
especially
since
I've
noticed
abundant
parcels
in
this.
I
I
I
I
want
the
planning
and
zoning
board
to
be
aware
of
the
conflicts
of
interest
and
facts
regarding
renee,
vincent
and
ed
armstrong,
the
attorney
of
morgan
group
and
their
18-year
friendship
in
april
may
in
april
or
may
of
2020
during
the
boc
meeting.
It
was
commissioner,
taylor,
panney
and
city
manager
mark
who
recommended
renee
vinson
being
hired
as
planning
and
zoning
director
after
she
was
terminated
because
of
the
2014
sponge
doc
boardwalk
fiasco.
I
Renee
told
the
paper
she
resigned,
but
city
records
indicate
she
was
terminated.
Our
city
manager
used
her
as
a
scapegoat.
Then,
six
years
later
hired
her
back
to
secure
his
job
with
the
terror
panties,
especially
john
terrapini
who's.
Really,
the
string
puller
behind
this
anclote
harbors
deal
the
main
businessman
to
support
and
he's
also
the
main
businessman
to
support
mark
lacourse's,
permanent
city
manager.
I
Renee
vincent
becomes
the
planning
and
zoning
director
of
pinellas
county
and
head
of
community
housing
development.
She
is
groomed
by
jacob
stower
senior
and
becomes
his
implementer
of
shady
deals
under
the
direction
of
her
new
boss.
Now,
assistant,
county
administrator,
jacob
sauer
senior
numerous
projects
are
mishandled,
including
the
oasis,
acres,
mobile
home
project,
and
this
is
the
project
that
I
brought
up.
A
couple.
Boc
meetings
before
by
the
research
was
done
by
melissa,
dondero
and
kemberg.
I
Stated
conflicts
of
interest
include
the
appearance
of
the
conflict
of
interest
to
avoid
media
coverage
and
negative
headlines
lead
incoming
county
administrator,
barry
burton
arranges,
a
soft
exit
for
star
wars,
senior
and
renee
vincent
is
demoted
and
her
time
in
pinellas
has
ended.
Renee
applies
back
for
the
planning
zoning
directed
by
in
tarpon
springs,
and
commissioner
tara
panning
in
the
city,
manager's
recommendation
april
or
may
2020,
and
only
one
commissioner
opposed
that.
I
We
know
who
that
commissioner
is
three
weeks
into
renee
vincent
being
hired
into
the
inco
harbor,
the
ankle
harbors
application
was
presented
to
her
and
she
recommended
it
for
approval,
and
that
was
three
weeks
after
her
being
rehired
on
renee's
application.
There
were
three
recommendations:
one
being
jacob
stowers
five
years
acquainted,
the
person
that
she
helped
ruin
the
liam
and
oasis
acres
project
and
ed
armstrong.
I
The
attorney
for
morgan
group
18
years
acquainted
with
him
and
then
karen
lemmons
for
15
years,
so
we
have
cindy
tara,
penny
planning
for
morgan
group,
the
stepmother
to
commissioner
tara
penny,
who
recommended
renee,
vincent
being
hired
and
renee
vincent's
lifelong
fred
and
armstrong.
The
attorney
for
morgan
group,
all
working
together
without
a
smear
of
conflicting
interest.
I
Did
the
commissioners
look
good.
Did
the
commissioners
look
back
at
the
application
in
the
references
before
approving
vincent's
hiring?
This
has
to
stop
and
the
citizens
of
tarpon
springs
won't
stand
for
it
anymore.
There
is
a
web
and
a
network
of
special
interest
groups
and
they
use
their
pawns
to
take
over
and
destroy
our
small
town
charm.
I
hope
the
planning
and
zoning
board
votes
no
to
the
development
and
I
certainly
hope
the
blc
stops
this
mafia-like
takeover
of
our
city
and
our
natural
resources.
When
the
time
comes.
J
We're
doing
this
chris
roboski
1602
gulf
beach,
boulevard
tarpon
springs
three,
four,
six,
eight
nine.
So
I've
been
reviewing
the
trc
meetings
and
it
dawned
on
me
that
it
just
like
walmart
the
morgan
group
they
come
in.
If
they
actually
were
hiring
experts,
they
could
complete
projects.
This
thing
would
already
be
done,
but
they
didn't
hire
experts
at
completing
projects.
They
hired
experts
at
lying,
cheating
and
stealing
they
obfuscate.
J
J
That's
what
he's
good
at
pushing
things
through
getting
these
folks
in
here.
If
they
were
truly
experts,
they
would
have
done
it
right,
the
first
time
they
didn't,
and
then
they
know
if
they
could
push
you
guys
around
and
flim-flam
you
enough,
then,
when
they
start
building
it
they'll
build
whatever
they
want,
and
they
know
you're
not
going
to
monitor
them
and
you're
not
going
to
do
anything
about
it.
They
get
away
with
murder.
J
J
J
J
J
J
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
The
decaying
of
outdoor
play
poses
a
philosophical
concern
as
well:
caregiving
for
the
land
and
caregiving
for
human
bodies.
Both
represent
a
fight
for
the
reverence
of
life.
So
what
are
they
basically
kind
of
pointing
out,
we
kind
of
say
all
the
kids?
Are
you
sit
down
they're
all
in
their
phones
in
their
faces?
K
K
E
M
M
M
M
God
bless,
and
I
hope
you
really
take
what
I
have
to
say
to
heart,
because
it
is
of
great
importance
not
just
for
me,
but
for
those
beautiful
eagles
and
all
the
other
animals
that
are
on
that
property.
That
can't
come
in
here
and
tell
you
please
protect
my
home.
Please
protect
me
because
I
am
a
resident
as
well.
A
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
other
anybody
who
wants
to
speak
on
this
on
the
items
we
will
not
be
discussing.
N
Hi,
my
name
is
craig
lunt
743
chesapeake
drive,
there's
been
a
lot
of
passion,
discussion
about
the
ancload
harbor
project,
I'd
like
to
take
a
little
of
the
passion
out
of
it
and
maybe
get
down
to
some
solid,
concrete
facts.
N
It's
obviously
it's
obvious
to
me,
anyway,
by
an
in-depth
reading
of
the
emails
between
the
department
of
transportation
in
morgan,
that
the
department
of
transportation
is
getting
a
little
exasperated
with
their
continued
pressure
on
them
to
get
this
project
moving
forward,
a
matter
of
fact,
one
of
the
emails
that
responded.
I
can't
remember
the
name
off
the
top
of
my
head
specifically
said:
you're
wasting
my
time.
N
It's
going
to
be
and
as
dangerous
as
it
probably
is
requires
a
variance
of
60
feet
just
to
wedge
it
in
without
disturbing
the
wetlands
as
well.
So
there's
a
variety
of
reasons.
This
needs
to
be
really
scrutinized
and
I
think,
if
you
take
a
really
hard
look
at
them,
you're
going
to
change
your
decision
on
moving
this
forward.
Thank
you.
O
O
E
P
My
my
name
is
yvonne
osmond,
I'm
a
resident
of
pinellas
county,
but
I
heard
about
this
meeting
and
I've
rode
my
bike
along
the
areas
that
you
were
talking
about,
and
you
know
this:
do
we
realize
that
the
world's
on
fire?
Do
we
realize
that
time
for
incremental
change
is
over?
P
Do
we
realize
that
the
more
green
space
we
take
we'll
choke
ourselves
out?
This
is
where
oxygen
comes
from.
Eighty
percent
comes
from
the
ocean,
the
rest
comes
from
our
green
spaces.
We
eliminate
more
green
spaces,
we
don't
just
kill
everything,
we
kill
ourselves
and
we
kill
our
next
generation.
Do
we
realize
that
all
of
the
science
is
saying
one
thing
we
have
10
years
not
to
stop
it?
We
have
10
years
to
slow
it
down,
that's
the
best.
We
can
hope
for
right
now,
so
yeah
put
another
condo
up.
A
A
number
three:
the
award
file
number
210204
nas
enterprise
license
agreement
and
geographic
information
system.
Software
number
four
is
the
award
file
number
2101,
899
c
am
utilizing
seat
of
tempo
terrorist
contract
number
21-09
contract
for
miscellaneous,
concrete
flat
work
for
the
2021,
sidewalk
improvement
program
and
number
five
is
approve
change
order
number
one
to
bid
number
20,
0,
167,
b,
j
l
mango
street
storm
water,
roadway
improvements.
A
A
Are
there
any
commission
comments
on
this
items?
A
A
Yes,
vice
mayor
carr,
yes,
yes,
thank
you.
I
next
one
is
item
number
three:
the
award
file,
number
210204
enterprise
license
agreement
and
geographic
information
system;
software,
commission
verticals.
You
pull
that.
Q
Right,
well,
I
just
I
see
mrs
linton
here
so
I
I
suspect,
you're,
the
one
out
of
the
I.t.
Q
L
Hi
suzanne
linton
your
I.t
director.
It
is
our
entire
gis
system.
Q
All
right
I'm
familiar
with
esri,
and
this
is
not
nothing
new.
It's
a
a
continuation
of
the
contract,
correct!
Okay!
Thank
you.
Yes,.
A
A
A
Yes,
yes,
thank
you.
I'll
pull
number
four,
which
is
the
award
file
number
210189
c,
am
utilizing
city
of
temple.
Terrorist
contract
number
21-009,
continue;
contract
for
miscellaneous,
concrete
flat
work
for
the
2021
sidewalk
improvement
program
on
july
27.
A
The
sidewalk
program
was
presented
to
us
to
the
boc
by
mr
functioning
dinner,
a
very
good
job,
explaining
the
that
he's
going
to
be
able
to
complete
30
projects
with
the
200
000
that
we
have
available
to
us.
He
also
mentioned
that
he's
going
to
be
using
a
piggyback
method,
but
it
was
not
clear.
It
wasn't
clear
to
me
that
local
contractors
will
not
be
able
to
have
the
opportunity
to
bid
on
it
on
these
projects.
A
N
Hi
craig
lunt
743
chesapeake
drive.
I
tend
to
agree
with
the
city
manager
on
this
one
I
think
piggybacking
off
the
contract
is,
is
what's
best
for
the
city
from
a
fiscal
point
of
view.
At
this
particular
time.
I
understand
the
need
to
to
want
to
include
local
contractors,
but
the
cost
of
cement
and
the
rise
in
costs
over
the
past
time
compared
to
when
this
original
contract
was,
let
is
significant
and
we
should
definitely
take
a
look
at
it.
From
that
point
of
view,
thank
you.
R
And
mayor,
can
you
reiterate
what
you'd
like
to
see
happen
here.
A
Well,
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
to
go
through
the
bidding
process
and
give
the
opportunity
to
our
local
contractors
to
be
able
to
bid
on
it
instead
of
just
give
use
the
the
contract
of
the
temple
terrors.
A
So
we
have
a
contractor
coming
all
the
way
from
tampa
to
do
our
work
that
we
have
so
many
contractors
very
capable
of
doing
it
last
year.
If
you
remember,
we
completed
a
project
and
many
sidewalks
were
completed
and
the
contractor
did
an
excellent
job.
We
got
a
lot
of
compliments
for
the
work
that
they
did.
I
know
commissioner
curious
received.
Compliments
too.
A
He
mentioned
that
in
one
of
the
meetings
as
well,
so
I
think
it
will
be
beneficial
to
to
the
city
and
to
the
people
of
tarpon
springs,
to
give
the
opportunity
to
the
local
contractors
to
bid
on.
T
A
Well,
we're
looking
at
motion
to,
of
course
it
has
to
be
in
a
in
a
in
a
positive
manner
that
to
take
these
and
go
through
the
bidding
process,
so
we
give
the
opportunity
to
a
local
contract
I'll.
Q
Be
happy
to
make
that
motion.
I
do
have
a
question
for
the
city
manager.
We
would
get
into
our
own
comments
after
the
motion
in
the
second.
Is
that
correct?
Okay,
I
move
that
we
provide
an
opportunity
for
the
bidding
to
occur,
which
would
be
local
contractors
as
well,
rather
than
the
piggyback
doing
that
for
discussion
and
and
and
see
if
we
can,
if
this
would
make
sense.
So
thank
you.
E
Q
T
Q
Sure
the
structure,
but
the
idea
is
that
we're
the
idea
is
to
go
out
for
the
bid
rather
than
doing
the
piggyback.
A
Q
I
did
I
like
to
use
the
light.
We
received
a
memorandum
from
city
manager
la
course,
and
I
completely
understand
it.
I
that's
not
an
issue
with
me
and
it
does
make
sense.
On
the
other
hand,
I
want
to
ask
him:
do
we
if
we
go
out
to
bid
on
this?
Is
this
window
of
opportunity
with
this
contract
that
we
could
piggyback
on?
Does
that
close.
U
Again,
I
don't,
I
don't
know
janina
dean.
Do
you
have
the
answer
that
all
I
know
is
when
we
brought
this
back
to
you,
we
were
looking
for
the
amount
of
sidewalks.
We
knew
we
wanted
to
do
30.
again,
for
the
reason
that
we
told
you
in
august
with
the
tremendous
prices
going
up.
This
was
the
way
we
felt
that
we
could
at
least
get
the
30
sidewalks
done
is
by
picking
back
on
an
existing
contract
because
of
the
cost.
U
That's
why
we
we
did
it
that
way
and
again
I
don't
know
the
contract.
The
larger,
do
you
know
gene
if
there's
still
an
opportunity
if
they
come
back
as
predicted
and
they're,
not
the
they're
not
going
to
do
the
30
30
projects
that
we
want
to
get
done.
Do
we
have
an
opportunity
to
still
go
back
and
reject
those
bids
and
piggyback.
Q
Yeah,
that's
basically
what
I'm
getting
at
before
you
answer,
ms
lewis,
a
couple
of
things:
one.
If
we
can
go
out
the
bid
and
the
other
downside
to
this,
I
recognize
that
it
costs
money
for
contractors
to
create
bids
to
submit
them
for
their
ifp.
I
know
that,
but
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
give
at
least
the
local
contractors
an
opportunity-
and
they
fully
recognize
that
there
is
a
cheaper
option
out
there-
then
at
least
we've
given
them
an
opportunity
if
they
can't
compete
with
it.
Q
We're
probably
not
going
to
get
very
many
responses
anyway,
but
at
least
we've
given
that
opportunity,
if
we've
got
time
to
if
those
bids
are
rejected
or
if
we
don't
get
any
bids
to
go
ahead
and
piggyback
on
this
contract
a
later
date.
That
that's
my
rationale.
I
like
what
the
mayor's
saying
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
what
you're
saying
either
same
angel
of
course,
but
if
there's
a
way
to
kind
of
satisfy
both
parts,
I
I
that
would
be
preference
for
me.
So
ms
lewis,.
V
Oh
jennina,
lewis,
procurement
services
director,
yes,
we
can,
we
can
put
it
out
to
bid
and
see
the
results.
The
piggyback
option
will
still
be
available.
That
contract
is
still
ongoing,
for
I
think,
a
couple
more
years.
R
U
Again
we
wanted
to
get
this,
so
we
could
hopefully
start
to
work.
As
you
know,
the
holiday
season
comes
so
I
don't
know
with
re-bidding
going
out
we're
probably
talking
about
not
being
able
to
make
that
window
before
the
holidays,
but
we
would
hope
to
make
it
as
soon
after
the
holidays
january
or
so
as
possible.
So,
instead
of
now
I
would
probably
put
it
back
to
after
the
holidays.
B
X
Good
evening,
commissioners
renee
vincent
planning
director,
as
you
know,
a
critical
part
of
our
strategic
plan
development
is
identifying
a
group
of
stakeholders,
approximately
25
per
the
scope
of
services.
X
During
that
review
of
the
scope,
it
was
clear
that
the
the
board
wanted
to
have
input
into
that
process.
So
at
that
point
in
time
there
were
some
discussions
about
the
commission
candidates
and
discussions
with
our
consultant
angela
crist,
who
is
here
tonight.
They
they
typically
do
look
toward
the
chairman
of
various
appointed
boards
and
committees
in
a
community.
X
So
the
what's
presented
in
the
in
the
agenda,
backup
are
the
the
commission
candidates
that
are
qualified
the
current
chairs
and
then
there's
also
a
and
by
no
means
complete
list
of
stakeholders
that
just
been
kind
of
cobbled
together
by
staff
that
was
provided
as
a
reference.
I
fully
realize
there's
folks
on
here
that
are
that
are
not
on
here.
That
should
probably
be
on
that
larger
list.
So
what
we're
trying
to
get
to
this
evening
is
how
do
you
want
to,
and
this
is
only
a
recommendation.
X
How
do
you
want
to
identify
that
those
you
know
roughly
25
stakeholders
so
that
our
can
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
those
stakeholder
interviews?
It's
critical
that
we
get
this
done,
because
those
interviews
feed
into
the
development
of
the
community
survey
that's
going
to
be
coming
out
later
on
in
october,
on
our
time
frame.
So
with
that
I'll
stop
and
miss,
christ
is
here
to
help
and
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you,
mayor.
A
K
Here
to
wax
514
ashland
avenue,
while
back
when
this
first
came
up,
I
questioned
how
a
determination
was
going
to
be
about
the
additional
10
stakeholders
and
looking
through
the
list,
we
have
residents
business
owners,
business
and
property
owners,
property
owners.
Previous.
K
K
A
I
hear
none.
Okay,
it's
back
to
the
commission.
We
need
a
motion
with
a
recommendation
and
how
we're
going
to
select
the
the
stakeholders.
W
Mary,
do
we
want
to
go
through
and
provide
like
two
people
or
two.
A
A
Or
what
do
you
want
to
hear
my
my
opinion
on
that
is
in
order
to
make
commissioner
former
commission
zalagis
has
a
very,
very
good
point
he's
just
as
qualified
as
anybody
else.
You
know
he
served
six
years,
as
a
commissioner
he's
been
very,
very
active.
So,
in
my
opinion,
is
that
well
that
it,
instead
of
going
through
the
the
special
groups,
like
one
person
from
advisory
board
and
also
a
person
that
it
you
know,
wants
to
is
eligible
to
run
which
to
me
not.
A
Everybody
is
representing
a
lot
of
people,
and
then
we
have
a
big
list
of
many
different
names.
Of
course,
you
can't
have
all
the
names
that
you
have
in
tarpon
springs,
so
there's
some
names
there,
some
of
them
they're,
not
even
residents
in
tarpon-
springs
that
I
can
see
here.
So
my
recommendation
is,
if
we
just
select,
if
we
need
20
stakeholders
correct.
A
W
Okay,
so
for
clarity
to
if
gonna
ask
the
city,
planner
or
director
a
question.
Q
W
X
W
W
X
That
is
up
to
if
you
want
to
provide
them
to
us,
and
then
we
will
compile
the
whole
list
and
provide
that
to
the
consultants,
and
we
can
just
go
with
that.
I
mean.
Y
W
U
Again,
let
me
just
jump
into
we're
asking
questions:
it's
how
the
board
wants
to
do
it
yeah.
I
was
just
the
easiest
way
to
do.
It
is
to
select
them
tonight.
So
you
don't
have
that
problem.
We
don't
have
to
come
back.
You
know
we
don't
have
a
full
board
coming
up
in
the
near
future.
So
unless
you're
uncomfortable
naming
those
positions
tonight,
you
know.
X
I
think
the
other,
I
think
the
other
way
if
I
could
just
make
a
quick
suggestion,
if
you
give
us
a
priority
order
of
your,
can
you
know,
and
so
then
we'll
you
know
we'll
we'll
take
your
first
priorities
and
then,
if
we
have
to
fill
in,
if
you
know
to
get
to
that
25,
if
there's
overlap,
then
you
know,
I
said
I
think
with
your
alternates.
Maybe
you
provide
two
alternates.
You
know
we'll
we'll
have
enough
names.
I
feel
like
to
just
you
know
to
get
to
that.
X
W
E
A
T
R
R
Yeah,
my
my
questions
were
answered.
I
was
concerned
about
doing
it
tonight,
just
given
the
fact
that
this
is
an
addendum
and
I
would
have
to
spout
off
some
names
that
I
haven't
talked
to
yeah
in
advance,
so
yeah
we'll
get
them
all
in
by
friday
and
produce
some
document
that'll
be
posted
somewhere.
I
assume
for
everybody
to
look
at.
R
Q
Okay
and
then-
and
then
there
was
this-
that
list
of
names
that
you
had
asked
for,
I'm
just
rephrasing
the
memorandum,
so
everybody
understands
two
commit
two
people
from
each
for
each
commissioner
from
that
list,
so
that
would
make
up
ten,
okay,
here's
my
observations
and
I
had
a
conversation
about
this
with
the
city
manager.
I
and
it
seems
like
we've,
changed
the
approach.
Now
we're
going
to
just
group,
everybody.
Q
Q
Well,
here's
here's
my
observations,
then,
when
we
first
discussed
this
of
how
to
put
that
in,
I
think
the
number
came
from
the
at
least
from
my
perspective,
the
way
I
understood
it-
and
I
thought
I'd
talked
about
that-
was
the
93
strategic
plan
when
we
had
25
residents
and
business
people
identified
to
that,
one
of
them
was
the
city
manager.
Another
was
a
commissioner
that
served
on
that
commission
as
well,
and
there
wasn't
all
this
business
of
boards
and
and
and
candidates,
and
things
like
that.
Q
I
brought
up
the
purpose
of
the
candidates
for
the
candidates
to
be
kept
up
to
speed
of
this
process,
not
to
become
stakeholders
and
that
there
is
a
separate
provision
of
once
these
candidates
are
elected.
They
are
actually
tutored.
I
guess
if
you
will
on
what
the
process
was
about,
so
that
they
don't
miss
any
miss
a
step
when
they
do
take
office.
We
can
move
in
because
that's
about
when
the
phase
two
and
the
implementation
phase
three
begins
within
that
six
month
period
after
that.
Q
So
I'm
not
sure
that
I'm
ready
to
agree
that
the
candidates
should
be
part
of
stakeholders.
I
agree
that
they
should
be
kept
up
to
speed
on
the
strategic
planning
process
and
if
it
takes
some
sharing
of
information
individually,
which,
if
which,
with
each
of
the
candidates,
that's
fine
with
me
the
the
chair
people,
the
the
various
boards-
I
I
think
are
fine.
The
one
thing
that
I'm
concerned
about
is
that
this
group
doesn't
become
too
heavily
city
government
oriented,
because
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
be
focused
with
the
residents.
Q
Q
The
other
thing
that
I
mentioned,
the
city
manager,
which
I
was
a
little
kind
of
taken
back
by
I-
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
mr
dunkle
and
got
a
jason
dunkle,
the
president
of
advent
health,
north
pinellas,
and
got
a
tour
of
the
emergency
room,
and
we
were
talking
about
that
of
whether
he
had
been
contacted
yet
and
then
the
city
manager
explained
to
me
he
was
part
of
this
pool,
but
people
like
jason
dunkle
ought
to
be
an
automatic.
I
don't
think
they
should
be.
Q
He
should
be
selected
as
as
are
being
part
of
this
tool.
The
hospital
is
a
very
big
entity
of
this
community.
We
need
to
hear
what
he's
got
to
say
from
his
strategic
planning
process.
The
ministerial
association
is
another
one
that
I
don't
see
on
here
and
then,
of
course,
I
mentioned
a
bunch
of
names.
The
shepherd
center
miss
dill
geist,
the
president
of
that
ron,
haddad,
the
north
pinellas
community
council.
Q
The
chamber
of
commerce
is
not
on
here
the
three
former
may
I
think
mrs
protos's
name
is
on
there.
But
I
don't
see
former
mayor,
didonato
or
former
mayor
believes
on
that
list
either.
Q
So
I'm
just
and
then,
as
far
as
this
issue
of
whether
they
may
or
may
not
be
interested,
I
was
hoping
that
whatever
this
list
would
have
been
that
they
would
have
been
contacted
ahead
of
time
to
ask
their
interest
in
participating
in
this
rather
than
after
the
fact.
Q
So
I
it
I
I
think,
I'm
going
to
have
to
hear
from
some
of
the
commissioners,
because
when
I
asked
about
the
whole
pool
and
and
and
I
think
vice
mayor
carr
was
nodding
in
the
negative
and
if
we're
just
to
pick
two
people
and
these
other
individuals
are
going
to
be
automatic.
Q
I
think
that's
too
heavily
city
government
oriented
and
I
just
can't
pick
two
people
from
this
list-
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
on
that
are
not
on
here,
and
I
think,
if
there's
anything
that
we
should
do
it's
to
provide
our
own
input
as
elected
officials
of
who,
in
addition
should
be
on
here.
Not
just
this
list
that
came
to
us,
I'm
not
sure
who
picked
out
this
list
anyway.
X
The
list
was
just
an
amalgamation
of
various
contact
lists
that
that
staff
already
has,
and
they
were
they
were
put
together.
We
also
had
all
the
all
the
advisory
board
members
you
know
originally
identified,
and
then
you
know
when
there
was
overlap
between
those
lists.
Some
of
those
things
people
came
off
of
one
list
because
they
weren't
another.
So
I
fully
agree
with
what
you're
saying
I
mean
this
is
the
board's
opportunity
you
know
to
give
us
direction
on
how
you
want
this
list
to
ultimately
be
constructed.
Q
Right
yeah,
so
I
just
pointed
out
some
very
important
when
the
shepherd
center
north
pinellas
community
council,
the
hospital
ought
to
be
on
automatic,
I'm
not
ready
just
to
pick
names
from
what
you
see.
I
think
again.
The
candidates
are
certainly
invested
in
this
community,
but
I
think
that
their
opportunity,
as
elected
officials,
would
come
at
a
later
date,
but
there
it
is
incumbent
upon
them
to
keep
up
the
speed
on
this
process
and
kind
of
track
it
closely.
Q
W
Yeah
the
motion
would
be
to
provide
five
people
per
commissioner
and
mayor
and
then
two
additional
individuals
alternates
to
city
staff
by
friday
via
email.
Thank
you.
R
But
just
to
to
respond
to
that,
I
think
we're
all.
On
the
same
page,
I
think
we
want
to
cast
the
widest
net
possible.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
exclude
anybody
or
make
somebody
feel
like
just
because
I
don't
go
to
all
the
commission
meetings
or
I'm
not
a
candidate
or
on
a
board
that
I
can't
participate
in
the
interviews.
R
So
I
think
that's
what
we're
getting
at
my
understanding
of
it
right
now
is
that
we're
all
just
going
to
select
five
people
trying
to
cast
that
widest
net,
and
I
think
we
should
also,
I
think
it
was
also
included
that
we
include
a
couple
backups
kind
of
just
like
a
ranking
in
case
somebody
there's
some
overlap.
A
W
W
X
Q
W
A
A
A
The
items
number
13,
8
and
13
ba
are
related.
It
will
be
discussed
together,
13b
as
a
quasar
judicial
and
will
be
discussed
today
together.
But
we're
going
to
vote
separately
item
number
13
a
is
the
application
21-22
41
6
80
u.s
19
u.s
highway
19
that
was
deferred
from
august
10
2021
to
the
ordinance
2000
2105
future
land
use
amendment,
and
this
is
the
second
reading,
mr
attorney,
if
you
please
read
the
title
and
explain
the
quasi-judicial
process,
please.
Y
Yes
mayor,
this
is
ordinance
2021-05
in
order
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
map
for
0.61
acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
at
41680
u.s
highway
19
north
tarpon
pines
associates
track
c
on
the
southwest
corner
of
u.s
highway
19,
north
and
east
pine
street
from
land
use,
designation,
il
industrial
limited
to
land,
use,
designation,
cg
commercial
general,
providing
for
findings
and
providing
an
effective
date.
That
was
the
second
final
reading
of
ordinance
2021-05
by
title.
Only.
Y
It
was
published
in
the
tampa
bay
times
by
title
with
a
map
on
april
28th
and
also
on
july
28
of
this
year.
I'll
read
the
quasi-judicial
procedures.
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
in
a
cooperative
show,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-hearing.
Y
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
containing
the
code
of
ordinances.
In
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it,
the
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent
substantially
relevant
to
the
issues.
Y
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
establishing
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
defined
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
of
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
Y
Now
before
we
go
ahead
and
swear
in
witnesses,
I'm
just
going
to
ask
the
commissioners
to
disclose
any
exported
communication
or
conflicts
of
interest
if
there
are
any
not
seeing
any
anyone,
that's
going
to
speak
on
the
these
agenda
items.
If
you
can
stand
up,
raise
your
right
hand
and
be
sworn
under
oath.
Y
X
Since
these
are
next,
two
items
are
second
readings:
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
presentations.
This
is
application.
21-22,
4.61
acres
on
at
41,
680,
u.s,
19
north.
This
is
a
land
use
and
rezoning
application
amending
the
zoning
to
highway
business
and
the
land
used
to
commercial
general.
This
is
an
existing
commercial
structure
on
us19.
X
The
board
did
approve
this
previously
on
first
reading
and
the
countywide
planning
authority
has
reviewed
the
amendment
required
to
the
countywide
plan
map
and
did
recommend
approval
of
that
on
august
24th,
and
the
amendment
was
also
submitted
to
florida
department
of
economic
opportunity
without
comment.
I
would
enter
into
the
record
the
staff
reports
that
an
agenda
back
up
as
evidence
and
staff
recommendation
is
to
approve.
Thank
you.
Y
Seeing
none
is
the
applicant
here
in
the
audience
you'd
step
forward,
and
please
state
your
name
and
make
your
presentation.
Z
Y
Any
questions
from
the
commission
not
seeing
any
thank
you.
Anyone
from
the
public
would
like
to
make
a
presentation
today
then
any
type
of
comment.
Any
public
comment
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
you
have
anything
that
you
want
to
summarize
renee?
Okay.
Did
the
applicant
like
to
summarize
anything?
No,
okay,
I'm
seeing
it
head
shaking
so
mayor.
It's
back
to
the
commission
for
consideration.
A
Are
there
any
commission
comments
on
this
item
here?
None
wrong
call
please,
commissioner,.
A
Yes,
I
number
13
b,
which
is
the
orange
2021-04.
A
Zoning
atlas
amendment:
this
is
the
second
really.
This,
of
course,
is
quasi
judicial,
and,
if
you
please
read
the
title,
mr
attorney.
Y
Thank
you
mayor.
This
is
ordinance
2021-04,
an
ordinance
to
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
manning
the
official
zoning
atlas
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
for
0.61
acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
at
41
680
u.s,
highway
19,
north
tarpon
pines
associates
track
c
on
the
southwest
corner
of
u.s
highway
19,
north
and
east
pine
street,
from
zoning
designation,
ir
industrial
restricted
to
zoning,
designation,
hb,
highway
business
and
providing
for
findings
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
There
was
a
second
final
reading
of
ordinance
2021-04
by
title.
Only.
Y
It
was
published
in
the
tampa
bay
times
by
title
with
a
map
on
april
28th
and
july
28
of
this
year.
So
renee
did
you
have
a
presentation.
X
Y
X
Y
S
Y
W
B
A
A
Christian
chairpenny,
yes
vice
mayor,
yes,
item
numbers,
14
and
14
b
are
related,
14b
is
quasi-judicial
and
they
will
be
discussed
today
together,
but
we're
going
to
vote
separately.
The
item
number
14a
is
the
application
21-34
south
distant
avenue
is,
it
was
deferred
from
august
10
2021,
the
ordinance
2021-07.
Y
2021-07,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
amending
the
future
land
use
map
for
0.16
acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
in
the
west
side
of
south
distant
avenue,
between
east
lemon
street
and
east
boyer
street
from
land
use,
destination,
rm,
residential,
medium
to
land,
use,
designation,
il
industrial
limited
and
providing
for
findings
and
providing
an
effective
date.
That
was
the
second
final
reading
of
ordinance
2021-07
by
title.
Only
it
was
published
in
the
tampa
bay
times
by
title
with
a
map
on
april
28th
and
july
28
of
this
year.
Y
X
Thank
you.
This
is
application
21-34
for
live
edge,
slabs
located
at
the
intersection
of
distant
and
east
lemon
street.
This
is
second
reading
of
both
the
land
use
and
zoning
application,
amending
the
property
to
indus
to
industrial,
limited
land
use
and
intensive
business
zoning
district
again.
This
is
second
reading.
It
was
previously
approved
by
the
board
of
commissioners.
The
land
use
amendment
was
submitted
to
the
county
wide
planning
authority.
It
was
reviewed
and
approved
on
august
24th.
Y
Thank
you
is
the
applicant
here
for
this
particular
application.
All
right,
would
you
like
to
make
a
presentation?
Sir?
Y
Okay,
can
you
at
least
come
to
the
podium
and
tell
us
your
name
on,
so
we
have
that.
Y
R
A
A
second
no
comments,
roll
call,
please.
A
A
Y
Thank
you
mayor.
This
is
warnings
2021-06
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
amending
the
official
zoning
atlas
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
for
0.16
acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
on
the
west
side
of
south
distant
avenue,
between
east
lemon
street
and
east
boyer
street,
from
dona
zoning
designation,
r60
one
and
two
family
residential
to
zoning,
designation,
ib,
intensive
business,
providing
for
findings
and
providing
an
effective
date.
There
was
a
second
final
reading
of
ordinance
2021-06
by
title.
Only.
Y
Y
B
A
A
Y
Thank
you
mayor.
This
is
ordinance
2021-09,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
mending
the
city
of
tarpon
springs,
special
area
plan,
sponge,
docs
and
community
redevelopment
area
map,
5-1,
current
coastal
high
hazard
area
and
future
land
use
and
coastal
high
hazard
area
standards,
providing
for
findings
providing
for
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
That
was
the
second
final
reading
of
ordinance
2021-09
by
title.
Only.
X
Thank
you
again.
These
are
second
readings
of
amendments
to
the
smart
code
that
were
necessary,
updates
that
needed
to
take
place
with
regard
to
the
special
with
coastal
hazard
area
and
some
other
improvements
which
I'll
just
run
through
this.
Since
it's
been
a
while,
since
the
board
has
reviewed
this,
the
special
area
plan
consists
of
10
character
districts
that
lay
out
kind
of
your
umbrella
for
development
in
the
area.
That's
identified
as
the
special
area
plan
for
the
cra
and
sponge
docs.
X
X
Throughout
the
text,
these
are
the
the
coastalizer
area
maps
that
are
being
updated.
This
is
just
to
reflect
current
day.
We
do
have
limitations
in
the
smart
code
regarding
increasing
density
in
the
coastal
high
hazard
area.
So
it's
important
to
make
sure
that
these
maps
are
updated
on
a
routine
basis
to
reflect
that
requirement.
X
X
One
thing
that
was
discussed
at
the
it
was
a
moment.
X
It
appeared
that
as
if
that
that
was
being
changed
in
terms
of
the
dwelling
units
for
the
max
allowed
by
transfer
for
clarity
that
that
22
unit
per
acre
maximum
was
removed
from
the
code
in
2013,
and
so
that
really
is
just
where
it's
reiterating
what
was
already
had
already
taken
place
in
2013
and
clarifying
the
language
a
bit
so
in
the
downtown
character
district
only
by
density
transfer
into
the
district,
there's,
no
there's
no
maximum
density
and
that's
a
current
standard.
That's
not
a
change.
X
And
so
with
that
I'll
have
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
we.
These
are
second
readings.
The
special
area
plan
changes
themselves
had
to
go
to
ford,
pinellas
and
be
reviewed,
and
those
changes
were
reviewed
and
recommended
and
approved
by
the
county,
wide
planning
authority.
So
we're
back
now
with
second
readings
of
both
of
these,
as
they
were
presented
previously.
I
Paniorty's
class
595
peninsula
avenue-
this
is
a
very
important
topic
and
regarding
transfer
of
density
in
certain
areas,
we've
talked
about
it
before
I
have
not
fully
been
able
to
review
it
all,
but
if
we
do
see
that
it's
creating
a
problem
where
densities
being
packed
too
much
within
the
city
without
the
proper
infrastructure
in
place
prior
to
sustain
it
all,
we
might
have
to
change
some
of
this
updating.
I
That's
one
of
the
main
reasons
I
ran
to
be
able
to
help
support
that
the
special
area
plan
is
something
that
a
lot
of
the
residents
are
concerned
about.
It
gives
a
lot
of
examples
with
under
the
sponge
docks
over
here,
the
the
properties,
the
the
properties
fronting.
The
liquidity
boulevard
are
allowed
to
apply
existing
far
far
in
lieu
of
the
proposed
maxim
far
where
existing
far
exceeds
the
proposed
maximum.
I
I've
asked
time
and
time
again
how
is
density
transferred?
Do
you
have
to
get
permission
from
one
property
owner
to
another,
and
so
that
right
there
looks
like
you
can
change
the
thickness
boulevard
down
at
the
docks,
so
it
is
concerning
and
a
lot
of
extra
material
in
here
that,
if
not
in
the
best
interest
for
the
citizens
of
tarpon
springs
will
be
reversed.
Thank
you.
A
I
hear
none
back
to
the
commission.
Q
I
I
have
some
sure
go
ahead.
I
did
speak
to
mrs
vincent
today.
I
did
have
an
issue
with
table
three.
Five,
the
last
time
on
the
first
reading
and
she
said,
she'd
clarify
that
I
just
wanted
to
explain
something
that
that
table
three
five
allowed
an
unlimited
transfer,
it's
an
unlimited
transfer,
but
that
was
approved
back
in
2013.
So
there
was
a
semantics
issue
that
she
clarified
and
there
was
another
issue,
that's
related
to
this
back
when
we
were
talking
about
the
forbes
property
and
transferring
density
from
that
point.
Q
Q
This
would
allow
you
to
expand
that
to
four
as
long
as
you
could
transfer
the
density
to
additional
units
to
that,
and
then
also
it
would
be
up
to
the
owner
to
decide
whether
they
could
still
rent
those
that
is
a
smaller
unit.
The
only
observation
that
I
have
that
I'm
I'm
going
to
kind
of
watch
this
in
the
future
is,
as
the
same
as
what
we
discussed
on
the
forbes
property.
If,
if.
Q
So
that's
my
concern
and
not
to
to
encroach
into
that
too
much,
but
it
hasn't
happened
yet
since
2013,
but
I
just
want
to
keep
an
eye
on
it.
So
I'm,
okay
with
what
ms
vincent
has
proposed
here,
the
special
area,
the
coastal
high
hazard
map-
that's
that
we're
actually
expanding
properties
in
that
right,
we're
not
reducing
them
or
taking
them
away.
They're,
actually
increasing.
X
For
the
most
part,
yes,
they
are
increasing,
we're
simply
applying
the
the
adopted
maps
to
our
maps
so
that
in
that
instance,
and
why
it's
important
is
we
we
have
this
ability
to
transfer
density,
but
what
you
cannot
do
is
transfer
density
into
the
coastal
high
hazard
area.
N
Q
Q
A
Y
A
A
A
Y
Yes
mayor,
this
is
resolution
2021-50
a
resolution
of
the
board
of
commissioners
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida,
approving
application,
21-82,
requesting
final
development
plan,
approval
for
north
lake
estates,
residential
planned
development
located
on
the
north
side
of
keystone
road,
approximately
0.7
miles
from
the
intersection
of
keystone
road
and
north
highland
avenue
and
west
of
east
lake
drive
lying
in
sections
8
and
9
township
27
south
range
16
east,
providing
for
a
certificate
of
concurrency
providing
for
conditions
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
There
was
a
reading
of
resolution
2021-50
by
title.
Y
Only
I'll
read
the
quadratus
procedures
again.
This
is
a
quadratical
proceeding
where
the
board
of
commissioners
acts
in
a
quadratic
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-hearing
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
constitutional
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
Y
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criterias
that
was
to
go
to
voters,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
Before
I
swear
in
witnesses.
I
would
just
ask
the
commissioner
if
there
are
any
conflicts
of
interest
or
execute
exported
communications
that
need
to
be
disclosed,
I'm
not
seeing
any.
So
anyone
that's
going
to
speak
on
this
agenda
item.
Y
W
W
Y
X
X
Property
consists
of
just
shy
of
44
acres.
This
is
a
44
unit.
Single
family
planned
subdivision
previous
applications
that
have
been
reviewed
and
approved.
The
annexation
was
a
preliminary
plan,
development
and
rezoning
an
amendment
to
the
future
land
use
map
and
as
well
as
a
development
agreement,
the
original
was
2019
and
then
amended
in
2020.
X
X
So
far
as
tree
removals
go,
the
only
thing
that's
being
removed
of
the
tree.
That
right
now
are
the
trees
that
are
in
the
affected
areas
where
the
storm
water
ponds
and
the
roadway
infrastructure
is
proposed.
So
where
the
lots
are,
the
trees
will
remain
and
then
those
will
be
as
individual
lots.
These
will
be
custom
built.
You
know
as
on
demand,
so
as
individual
lots
come
through,
then
we'll
look
at
tree
removals
per
lot
and
apply
the
mitigation
requirements,
as
this
is
shown
right
now.
X
The
applicants
are
will
have
to
pay
in
excess
of
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
city's
tree
bank,
based
on
the
removals
that
are
on
this
plan,
as
well
as
the
the
plantings
that
are
being
provided,
and
here
you
see
the
plantings
that
are
being
provided.
You
know
around
the
lands,
the
the
stormwater
ponds
on
the
site.
X
The
wetland
mitigation
areas
there's
an
area
of
impact,
I'm
trying
to
read
this
there's
a
small
area
of
impact
here
and
then
the
wetlands
are
being
again
they're
being
mitigated
on
site.
This
is
the
mitigation
area
here,
there's
also,
I'm
not
sure.
If
it's
clear,
let
me
go
to
the
next
slide.
Go
back
up.
Sorry,
I
just
want
to
point
out
a
couple
more
things.
X
There
is
a
there's,
a
small
area
for
like
a
tot
lot
that
has
been
set
aside
on
the
plans.
Let
me
go
back
here.
We
go
it's
been
set
aside
in
in
this
area
right
here.
They've
also
provided
for
a
sidewalk
connection
out
to
highland
avenue
to
provide
some
additional
mobility
out
to
the
to
to
that
to
that
road.
Since
there
is
only
one
access
here.
X
In
the
staff
reporting
that
was
initially
initially
provided
to
the
board,
there
were
some
outstanding
comments
by
the
from
from
our
city
engineers
of
record
reviewing
the
plans
the
applicant
continued
to
work
through
that
and,
as
of
basically
over
the
weekend,
our
engineers
of
record
did
certify
the
september
13
set
of
plans
that
are
now
included
in
the
addendum.
As
you
know,
clean
ready
to
go
psych
instruction
plans
with
new
issues
that
need
to
be
resolved.
X
If,
if
the
plan
is
approved
this
evening
on
the
review
criteria,
we
do
find
that
it
does
meet
the
land
development
code
as
conditioned
there's
a
list
of
conditions
which
I'll
read
into
the
record.
It's
consistent
with
the
preliminary
plan
development
and
demonstrates
that
facilities
are
available
for
the
for
the
proposed
development.
X
X
Staff
recommendation
is
to
approve
the
final
development
plan
with
the
following
conditions
and
dimensional
standards,
and
rather
than
read
from
this,
I'm
going
to
read
from
the
actual
resolution
and
bear
with
me
there's.
These
are
kind
of
long
number
one.
The
existing
preservation
future
land
use
map
category
shall
be
revised
to
match.
The
final
existing
wetlands
plus
created
wetland
mitigation
area
on
the
site.
The
applicant
shall
supply
electronic
boundary
coverage
of
this
area
to
the
city
for
mapping
of
the
revised
preservation.
Boundary
number
two
for
roadways
dedicated
to
the
public.
X
The
flat
shell
includes
sufficient
insurances,
providing
for
the
property
maintenance
of
the
stormwater
system,
components
in
the
right-of-way,
in
coordination
with
privately
maintained
components
of
the
system.
Such
assurances
shall
be
on
the
plat
and
or
in
agreements
prepared
by
the
applicant
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
city.
X
The
plat
shall
include
appropriate
dedications
and
easements
the
satisfaction
of
pinellas
county
for
the
access
and
maintenance
of
county
utilities.
This
is
not
a
condition.
I
just
want
a
little
sidebar
note.
The
applicant
will
have
to
submit
the
utility
plans
to
pinellas
county
and
have
those
will
have
to
be
approved
prior
to
site
construction
permits
being
issued,
so
that
additional
step
will
take
place.
X
Number
four,
a
recorded
restrictive
covenant
shall
be
included
in
the
final
plot,
stating
that
accessory
dwelling
units
are
restricted
to
use
by
the
owner
occupant
of
the
primary
dwelling
on
the
same
lot
and
shall
not
be
separately.
Addressed
shall
not
be
rented,
shall
not
include
separate
garages
and
shall
not
include
separate
meters
for
utilities
of
any
kind.
This
language
shall
also
be
added
to
the
final
homeowners
association
declarations
to
ensure
the
property
owners
are
aware
of
it.
X
Number
five
all
permits
and
approvals,
including,
but
not
limited
to
those
authorizing
wetland
and
good
for
tortoise
impact,
shall
be
required
to
be
submitted
with
the
building
permit
application.
Number
six
tree
mitigation
may
be
further
refined,
based
on
arbus
report.
The
arbus
report
to
preserve
additional
trees,
if
possible,
and
to
accommodate
the
removal
of
invasive
exotics
number
seven
participate
participation
in
the
city's
public
art
program.
If
the
total
site
construction
costs
exceed
one
million
dollars
prior
to
any
on-site
construction,
an
archaeological
resource
survey
shall
be
conducted.
X
A
plan
for
appropriate
mitigation
of
for
identified
resources
shall
be
submitted
with
the
building
permit
application.
All
brazilian
pepper
plants
on
site
shall
be
eradicated
and
the
entire
development
site
shall
be
kept
free
of
brazilian
peppers
in
perpetuity.
Individual
home
plan
shall
adhere
to
the
dimensional
standards
approved
with
the
preliminary
plan,
development
for
setbacks
and
driveway
wits
a
set
forth
in
the
resolution
and
shall
otherwise
conform.
The
regulations
for
single-family
detached
dwellings
in
accordance
with
section
78.01
of
the
land
development
code
number
11.
X
X
Y
A
Miss
vincent
one
of
the
questions
that
I
had
you
already
answered.
This
is
the
outstanding
comments
on
the
site
construction
plan.
So
we
are
satisfied
with
that.
Yes,
let's
talk
about
the
utilities,
the
pinellas
county
will
provide
the
water
and
sewer
service.
Yes,
so
anytime
they
have
an
initial
maintenance
they're
going
to
have
to
come
and
fix
it.
Correct,
correct.
E
AA
A
Responsibility
that
we
have
is
the
pipey
for
the
stormwater.
Is
that
correct,
correct,
okay-
and
you
also
mentioned
the
the
streets-
will
be
the
city's
responsibility,
so
they're
going
to
build
them
with
the
city
standards
correct?
What
about
the
streetlights?
Who
is
responsible
for
that.
X
I
think
usually
it's
the
homeowner,
the
the
the
homeowners
association,
usually
maintains
the
street
lights.
I
believe
that's
the
correct
answer.
Y
Y
W
X
W
One
of
the
things
I
have
a
question
about
is
you
know
this
is
for
the
applicant,
I
suppose
too,
but
the
when
the
roads
when
construction
is
being
done
in
a
neighborhood.
Do
you
know
if
they
put
down
like
a
like
a
small
layer
of
asphalt
and
then
they
do
a
finishing
asphalt
when
the
neighborhood's
finished?
Does
that
ring
a
belt
at
all.
W
And
then
can
you
reiterate
the
mother-in-law
suite
situation?
You
covered
a
lot
of
great
things
as
a
condition.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
understands
the
restrictions
and
the
restricted
covenants
that
are
in
place
for
these
specific
dwellings,
if
they
so
choose
to
make
that
as
part
of
their
housing
unit.
X
Right
so
this
is,
this
is,
was
to
memorialize
a
bit
of
a
difference
between
the
pinellas
county
codes
and
when
it
annexed
into
the
city
of
tarpon.
So
we
do
allow
accessory
dwelling
units
and
we
have
a
section
of
code
that
allows
them.
So
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was
very
clear
how
those
could
be
used
and
so
because
what
the
intent
is
we
didn't
want
them
to
turn
into.
X
Basically,
second
dwelling
units
that
are
getting
rented
out
to
you,
know
whomever
and
and
creating
a
problem
in
the
neighborhood.
So
to
that
end,
these
additional
restrictions
were
put
in
place
and
we
are
asking
that
they
actually
be
on
the
recorded
plat
and
then
the
homer's
association
documents.
So
for
extra
assurance.
Can
you
just
read.
X
A
recorded
restrictive
covenant
shall
be
included
on
the
final
plat,
stating
that
accessory
dwelling
units
are
restricted
to
use
by
the
owner.
Slash
occupant
of
the
primary
dwelling
on
the
same
lot
and
shall
not
be
separately
addressed,
shall
not
be
rented,
shall
not
include
separate
garages
and
or
shall
not
include
separate
meters
for
utilities
of
any
kind.
This
language
shall
also
be
added
to
the
final
homeowners
association
declarations
to
ensure
that
property
owners
are
aware
of
it.
T
T
I
think
that
the
applicant,
as
well
as
staff,
has
done
a
nice
job
to
try
and
make
sure
that
the
density
didn't
become
too
burdensome
or
too
high
and
that
the
main
concern
regarding
the
accessory
dwelling
unit,
which
I
think
the
applicant
committed
to
from
the
onset
in
terms
of
not
being
a
rental
dwelling
or
anything
like
that,
is
adequately
rectified
in
the
restrictions,
and
I
think
it
turns
out
to
be
a
pretty
nice
project
that
everybody
will
be
pleased
with.
Thank
you.
R
Yeah,
you
mentioned
the
the
past
annexation
items,
so
I
just
wanted
to
emphasize
for
context
here
that
the
annexation
was
completely
voluntary
and
there
were
never
any
other
properties
asked
to
be
annexed.
Q
Ms
vinson,
you
you
kind
of
got
my
attention
with
500
the
number
500
000.
Can
you
repeat
that
again,
as
far
as
what
that
swore.
X
That
is
for
the
that's
for
the
tree
removal.
So
when
you
apply
our
tree
mitigation
requirements,
so
the
trees
that
they're
going
to
remove,
we
have
either
an
inch
for
inch
replacement
or
pay
in
lieu.
In
this
instance,
there's
really
they
have
a
limited
area
to
replant
around
the
retention
pond,
so
those
will
be
captured
toward
the
mitigation,
but
the
remaining.
Q
Okay
and
and
I'm
I'm
vaguely
familiar
with
and
and
how
this
is
going
to
work,
the
trees
right
now
are
going
to
be
removed
from
the
road
right
of
ways,
the
retention
pond
areas
and
then,
once
the
houses
begin
to
get
developed,
each
prospective
homeowner
will
be
able
to
weigh
in
as
far
as
what
trees
would
stay
and
which
ones
would
be
removed.
Q
Obviously,
at
the
house,
footprint
they're
currently
removed
who's
going
to
be
responsible,
for
that
is
that,
ultimately,
the
developer
as
well,
that
the
500
000,
I
would
assume,
is
what
we're
talking
about
with
the
road
right
away.
Correct
things
correct,
there's
going
to
be
perhaps
additional
monies
coming
from.
X
Correct
so
each
additional
permit
that
comes
in,
and
this
is
no
different
than
any
other
single-family
home
that
would
come
in
they'll
you'll
have
to
have
a
tree
survey.
You'll
have
to
have
the
footprint
you
know
overlaid
and
identify
the
trees
that
are
going
to
be
removed,
and
then
we
apply.
We
look
at
that
in
context
with
our
tree
removal
mitigation,
the
minimum
number
of
trees
per
lot
and
so
yeah.
We
do
that
on
a
regular
basis
on
individual
sites.
X
At
that
point,
you
know
the
the
residential
rates
apply
as
opposed
to
the
developer
rates.
If
you
will
so
it's
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
less
onerous
in
terms
of
the
cost
to
do
the
mitigation
on
the
lot
by
lot
than
it
is.
You
know
when,
when
you
see
the
ones
that
are
clearing
everything
but
yeah,
each
individual
lot
will
be
evaluated
to
the
building.
Permit
approval
time.
Q
Q
Q
X
Q
And
we're
going
to
have
sidewalks
yes
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
current
vogue
is
as
far
as
trees
between
the
sidewalks
and
the
road
right
away
or
how
that's
going
to
work.
But
that
will
be
yet
to
be
determined.
Q
X
There
there
is
an
additional
sidewall
there's
internal
sidewalks
on
both
sides
and
then
there's
a
sidewalk
connection
that
goes
from
one
of
the
roads
out
to
you,
know
north
around
the
retention
pond
and
goes
out
to
highland.
Q
X
Q
I
know
she's
conscientious,
so,
okay,
thank
you.
Y
AB
Thank
you
and
you
all
have,
as
miss
vincent
stated,
seen
this
plan
itself
several
times,
you're
now
seeing
the
final
development
plan
which
meets
the
more
limited
criteria
of
approval
and
submittal
requirements
as
compared
to
the
development
agreement,
annexation
and
land
use
map
amendments
that
you
considered
last
year.
This
is
certainly
the
last
piece
of
the
puzzle,
but,
as
you
all
pointed
out,
there
are
still
some
things
that
come
with
building
permit.
So
mr
joe
semino,
a
public
engineer
is
here
who
can
address
some
of
the
questions
specifically
just
very
high
level,
the
street
lights.
AB
That
would
be
done
in
at
the
time
of
planning
whether
there
would
be
a
special
taxation
area
that
the
would
go
through
public
taxation
or
whether
it
be
done
with
the
hoa.
So
it's
just
something
that
that
would
be
done
with
respect
to
planning
and
ensuring
that
happens,
and
you
had
three
questions
that
I'll.
Let
mr
seminole
answer,
commissioner
vaticata.
AB
So
with
that,
we
would
request
and
confirm,
as
ms
vinson
I
believe,
did,
that
our
application
and
her
presentation,
including
her
testimony,
are
included
into
the
record
and
we're
happy
to
answer
the
specific
questions
with
respect
to
engineering
with
mr
simoneau
here.
So.
Y
Okay,
thank
you.
So,
let's
start
with
questions
from
the
commission
mayor.
Did
you
have
a
question?
Yes,.
A
I
do
have
a
question.
Thank
you
for
answering
miss
call.
Thank
you
for
answering
the
the
question
about
the
street
lights,
the
staff
recommended
to
all
of
our
conditions.
Do
you
agree
with
that?.
A
AB
Y
Okay,
vice
mayor,
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
see
your
hand
there.
W
You're
good
I've
got
a
quick
question
about.
There
was
some
discussion
about
a
guard
shack
up
front
at
one
point:
did
that
go
away?
It.
C
Good
evening,
everyone,
joe
simoneau
of
wra
engineering,
4260
west
linebaugh,
avenue
tampa
florida.
The
question
about
the
asphalt
is
typically
a
developer
preference.
C
They
don't
want
that
final
lift
to
be
damaged
by
all
the
equipment,
specifically
the
the
big
cranes
that
they
put
pads
down
to
fly
the
trusses
for
the
roofs.
So
they
leave
that
last
lift
of
asphalt
off
until
the
majority
of
the
homes
are
done,
and
then
they
come
back
and
put
the
final
on.
I
just
asked
mr
stamos
of
pioneer
homes.
If
he
intends
to
do
that,
he
said.
Typically,
they
don't
do
that
they
do
it
just
all
at
one
time.
Okay,.
W
Y
Hold
on
a
second,
I,
we
can't
get
you
on
the
microphone,
so
I
want
you
to
step
up
here,
sir.
Okay,.
AC
Yeah,
so
we
we
find
that
the
doing
the
one
lift
works,
just
fine
and
we
don't
really
have
many
issues
with
road
damage
during
the
course
of
construction.
We
use
a
you
know,
concrete
curbs
on
both
sides.
That's
where
most
of
the
asphalt
damage
happens.
If
you
don't
have
curbs,
you
know
you
break
off
the
edge
of
the
road.
AC
AC
AC
40,
these
are
custom
homes,
you
know,
so
it's
going
to
take
a
little
longer
than
you
know.
If
it
was
a
tractor
production,
it
could
take
a
year
and
a
half
or
two
years.
This
may
take
three
or
four
years.
W
AC
Yeah,
if
the
road's
damaged
we'll
fix
it
before
you
know
before
the
end
of
the
project,
but
like
I
said
these
guys,
who
do
this
all
the
time
the
crane
operators,
they
always
you
know,
put
down
plywood
or
whatever
under
their
pads,
and
we
re,
like,
I
said,
rarely,
get
road
damage
from
construction.
Y
Thank
you,
commissioner
vaticode.
If
you
had
questions.
AC
AD
AC
Q
Or
both
okay,
who
do
you
want
to
start
nicole,
a
chance
first
and
then
she
can
call
who
she'd
like
if
that's
okay,
it's
probably
going
to
be
mr
stamis.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that,
first
of
all
before
I
it's
a
question
concerning
trees-
and
I
want
to
point
out
mr
stamis
and
mr
zoots
way
back
when
west
winds
village
was
started.
Q
That's
when
we
started
transferring
trees
out
of
the
developments
with
tree
spades,
rather
than
cutting
them
down
so
along.
That
is
what
my
question
is
going
to
be,
and
that
was
the
basis
of
the
question
to
ms
vincent
that
I
know
somewhere
out
there,
there's
going
to
be
some
drop
dead,
gorgeous
trees.
That
would
look
a
heck
of
a
lot
better
than
some
of
the
the
two
inch
caliper
or
whatever
the
regulatory
trees
are
going
to
be
around
the
ponds
and
I'm
not
sure
how
we
would
work
this
into
this
evening.
Q
I
think
we're
limited
in
what
we
could
request.
I'm
just
not
sure
how
that's
done.
Maybe
you,
ms
cole
or
mrs
vincent,
can
clarify
that,
but
I'd
like
for
there
to
be
some
consideration.
Kind
of
the
same
deal
that
we've
done
with
a
couple
of
the
other
developments.
If
there
are
some
specimen
trees
like
that,
that
would
work
out
better
around
a
pond.
AB
AB
Walking
up,
but
I
will
point
out
that
there
is
a
condition
of
approval.
I
know
you're
looking
for
more
specific
response,
but
there
is
already
a
condition
of
approval
number
six
that
says
tree
mitigation
may
be
further
refined,
based
on
the
arborist
report
to
preserve
additional
trees
if
possible.
I
think
that
from
a
legal
standpoint
and
I'll
defer
to
mr
trask,
obviously
that
in
the
event
that
was
an
opportunity,
it
would
be
covered
within
this
approval
tonight,
with
that
condition
and
wouldn't
need
to
be
an
extraordinary
or
modification
of
that
condition.
Q
Y
S
Q
Q
Would
even
make
it
more
attractive,
but
we
would
still
use
the
tree
permit
fees
to
to
relocate
that.
Mr
stamis.
AC
Q
Q
Y
I
think
it's
already
covered
in
the
resolution
as
a
condition
and
that's
what
what
attorney
coal
was
just
saying
it's
already
in
the
resolution,
so
I'd.
Q
Q
Y
Q
I'm
saying
there's
a
cost
to
to
relocating
that
tree
and,
and
I'm
not
a
builder-
I
don't
know
whether
it's
more
of
a
nuisance
to
do
that
or
whether
it's
easier
just
to
cut
the
tree
down
and
put
a
two
inch
caliper
in
in
its
place.
I
guess,
is
what
I'm
getting
at
so.
AC
Yeah
so
I'd
say
it's
totally
dependent
on
the
tree
and
where
you're
trying
to
move
it
to
and
the
conditions,
I
mean
it's,
it's
more
effort
to
move
a
tree,
but
if
you
have
an
eight
inch
tree,
you
can't
it's
hard
to
buy
those.
You
know.
So,
if
there's
a
perfect
place
to
put
a
few
eight
inch
trees
within
the
site,
it
might
be
worth
the
effort
to
do
it
and
then
that
would
be
at
our
cost
at
your
cost.
Yeah.
Q
AC
It's
going
to
be
off-site,
then
you've
got
500
000
worth
of
fee
credits
to
use
to
move
them
wherever
you
want,
and
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
because,
like
you
said
you
can't
like
I
said
you
can't
buy
some
of
these
trees
that
size.
So
that
would
be
something
we
would
work
with
the
city
on
if
they
wanted
to
move.
Some
of
them
can.
Y
Q
Q
Extended
that
courtesy
in
the
last
couple
of
developments,
I
was
fairly
new
as
a
commissioner
when
we,
this
came
around
first
time
earlier
in
2020
as
far
as
the
first
reading,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
allow
this
to
happen.
There
too.
Y
J
I
can't
believe
that
you're
talking
about
it
as
if
it's
going
to
even
happen,
what
most
people
here
don't
recogni
realize
is
that
literally
bus
busloads
of
people
came
in
opposition
to
this
project.
Busloads
literally,
the
neighbors
are
not
opposed
to
having
homes
built
there,
but
they
have
a
minimum
requirement
of
two
acre
lots
per
home.
Two
acres
for
each
house,
minimum
the
county
overlay
plan
peter
near,
came
here
and
spoke
against
it.
J
J
J
J
J
J
J
I
just
am
dumbfounded
at
the
audacity
of
this
city.
Commission
push
this
ram
it
through
their
throats
and
it
was
an
illegal
annexation
and
that's
going
to
be
proven
in
court.
You
know
all
the
details
I
don't
have
at
my
fingertips.
We've
been
busy
working
on
the
other
thing
that
you
guys
are
causing
the
other
big
problem
in
this
town,
but
both
of
these
mark,
my
word
both
of
these
projects
will
be
stopped
and
neither
one
of
these
projects
will
be
developed
and
then
you're
stuck
with
nothing.
J
K
K
S
K
K
K
E
E
K
Y
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
would
like
to
speak
tonight,
seeing
no
one
else.
I'm
back
to
the
city,
any
type
of
summary,
miss
vincent
that
you
want
to
give.
No
does
the
applicant
miss
cole.
Would
you
like
to
summarize
anything
young
additional,
I'm
saying
a
head
shake
no
so
mayor.
It
is
back
to
the
commission
for
consideration
and
approval.
T
A
Q
Mayor
I
have
one,
there
was
some
litigation,
I
don't
know
whether
it's
litigation
or
an
appeal
or
whatever,
but
is
there,
is
there
a
status
of
that
or
is
it
over.
Y
Y
Y
A
A
A
W
W
A
Y
Mayor
commissioners,
resolution
2021-51,
a
resolution
of
the
board
of
commissioners
of
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
florida
authorizing
additional
pay
increases
in
identified
hourly
rate
tiers,
specified
additional
increases
in
two
employees;
wage
rates,
correction
of
stated,
florida,
minimum
wage
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Hereof.
That
was
the
reading
of
resolution
2021-51
by
title.
Only.
U
If
you
remember
mayor,
I
was
asked
to
go
back
and
look
if
there
was
any
way
to
raise
the
lower
salaries
without
causing
compression
issues,
and
this
is
the
formula
where
we
could
do
it.
In
essence,
you
see
the
hourly
rates
and
we
would
do
an
additional
increase
above
what
you
already
approved,
of
the
two
percent
for
the
thirteen
point,
four
eight
to
fifteen
point:
eight,
nine
and
one
percent
for
fifteen
eight
nine
to
seventeen
seven
five.
U
That
would
give
you
the
additional
increases
to
raise
that
bottom.
There
would
have
to
be
adjustment
in
two
employees
to
14
an
hour
which
would
be
which
would
be
the
basis
of
the
the
minimum
salary
for
employees.
So
this
is
the
method
that
would
get
you
to
to
where
you
asked
to
be.
A
A
AA
Honorable
mayor
board
of
commissioners
good
evening,
jane
niffen
hr
director,
I'm
here
tonight
to
recommend
that
the
board
of
commissioners
approve
the
the
renewal
of
the
city's
property
casualty
and
workers
compensation
insurances
with
the
florida
league
of
cities
or
the
fmit
florida
municipal
insurance
trust
for
a
one-year
period.
AA
Now
I
had
been
asked
to
explain
a
little
bit
about
reinsurance,
so
I'll
try
to
be
as
brief
as
possible.
Reinsurance
is
what
the
insurance
companies
purchase
to
help
pay
their
claims.
So
in
the
mid
1990s
there
was
a
a
new
vehicle
that
became
very
popular
called.
The
excuse
me
the
insurance
linked
securities.
AA
AA
For
example,
I'm
going
to
talk
about
what
they
call
a
catastrophic
bond,
which
is
known
as
a
cat
bond,
the
the
insurance
company
issues,
the
bonds
and
with
the
return
on
the
on
the
investments
they
they
turn
around
and
reinvest
it
in
low
security,
obviously
lower
high
security,
low
interest
investments
that
the
return
on
those
investments,
together
with
the
premiums
are
used
to
pay
periodic
high
yield
rates
to
the
investors.
AA
It's
called
a
catastrophic
bond
for
for
a
purpose,
and
this
has
happened
quite
in
your
in
in
the
near
past.
You'll
you'll
understand
why
this
is
not
a
vehicle
that
is
as
popular
as
it
used
to
be,
for
example,
these
bonds
mature
at
anywhere
from
two
to
three
years,
possibly
as
high
as
five.
But
what
happens
is
if
there's
no
catastrophic
event,
then
the
at
the
end
of
the
bond
period,
the
investors
receive
the
high
interest
rate
plus
the
principal
in
return.
AA
However,
if
you
have
something
like
a
severe
flood
severe
forest
fires,
earthquakes,
hurricanes
and
pandemics,
there
becomes
a
real
issue
in
how
you're
going
to
get
paid.
What
happens
is
the
the
initial
issuer
keeps
the
collateral,
which
is
these?
The
the
low
high
secure
low
return
investments,
while
the
the
investors
lose
their
principal
and
possibly
the
interest
of
the
unpaid
interest
remaining
on
the
bond?
AA
AA
So,
having
said
that
that
factors
into
why
number
one,
our
insurance,
our
property
insurance
rates,
have
gone
up
and
also,
it
explains
why
we
are
no
longer
receiving
return
of
property
that
we
did
since
2007,
we've
received
a
little
less
than
half
a
million
dollars.
However,
that
has
not
happened
in
the
last
four
years.
AA
The
only
other
thing
I
do
want
to
mention
is
the
the
general
liability
and,
of
course,
general
liability
refers
to
the
trip
and
falls
all
the
things
that
happen
for
which
the
city
gets
sued.
AA
We
have
a
self-insured
retention
or
a
deductible
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
per
incident,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
people
are
not
reluctant
to
to
make
sure
that
they
get
their
fair
share
of
what
they
believe
is
due
to
them.
AA
So,
having
said
that,
the
bottom
line
is
that
our
insurance
rates
for
this-
for
the
excuse
me,
the
risk
management
program
have
gone
up
by
8.86
percent.
However,
that's
still
a
little
less
than
fifteen
thousand
dollars
that
less
than
what
was
budgeted.
So
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'd
be
glad
to
answer
them.
The
other
thing
is
before
we
go
on:
it's
been
a
long
time
since
we
have
put
this
out
to
market
to
subjected
it
to
the
competitive
bid
process.
So
it's
our
recommendation.
AA
It's
a
staff
recommendation
that
this
year
we
do
so.
What
we'd
like
to
do
is
do
a
little
research
find
out
what
other
cities
and
municipalities
are
doing,
what
their
risk
management
program
looks
like
and
come
back
to
you
with
a
with
a
plan
and
get
your
approval
to
move
forward
for
implementation
next
year.
Any
questions.
R
A
AA
AA
They
use
a
three-year
smoothing
technique
which
takes
into
account
three
years
in
you
know
three
consecutive
years,
the
the
the
object.
The
objective
is
to
smooth
out
the
high
ears.
In
other
words,
so
you
don't
have
spikes
that
go
up
and
down
it,
keeps
it
a
little
more
level,
it's
easier
to
budget
for
and
it's
easier
to
control.
AA
C
A
That's
the
only
question
I
had
vice
versa.
W
Thanks
two
questions
one's
from
mark:
how
is
it
budgeted
for,
like
the
deductible
ms
nippon
talked
about
it
being
25
000
per
occurrence,
where's
that
come
from?
I
just
don't
remember,
seeing
that
in
the
budget.
S
W
S
W
Okay,
can
we
connect
later
this
week
on
that
or.
W
Tomorrow,
before
our
final
meeting,
okay
and
then
my
second
question
is
miss
niffen.
If
you
could
help
me
understand
the
one
more
time
about
the
the
the
premium
that's
paid
back
to
the
city,
it
hasn't
been
paid
back
in
over
four
years.
How
does
that
work?
If
the
city
doesn't
have
any
large
claims
that
the
city
gets
a
portion
of
it
back
and
premium.
AA
W
Okay,
that's
what
I
will
understand.
It's
not
just
tarpon
springs.
AA
E
AA
S
Q
I
might
have
to
help
me
out
a
little
bit
here,
the
in
breeding,
your
memoranda
memorandum,
it.
It
almost
suggested
that
we
were
a
little
higher
in
vehicle
accidents,
causing
property
damage
this
past
year.
Is
that.
AA
Again,
I
think
you
saw
something
like
21
increase
in
the
vehicle
that
has
to
do
that's
a
single
year.
What
they
do
is
again
with
that
smoothing
technique.
They
blend
it
with
the
to
the
two
other
years
and
it
has
lowered
our
experience
mod.
That
is
quite
a
bit
quite
a
bit
lower,
and
you
have
to
remember
that
number
one
we're
a
municipality
that
has
public
safety,
we're
as
a
municipality.
We
have
a
lot
of
vehicles
on
the
road.
S
AA
So
that
that
explains
why
sometimes
our
years
are
are
better
than
others
and
sometimes
they're
worse,
hence
the
smoothing
so
that
it's
not
up
and
down
every
year.
Q
AA
Q
Q
Okay,
I'm
just
I
understand,
there's
a
smoothing
process,
but
over
the
multi-year
thing
is
there
any
kind
of
an
increase
that
we're
seeing
an
increased
trend
in
that
or
I
mean
we're
getting
more
people
on
the
road
that
sort
of
thing
increasing
the
number
of
vehicles
in
the
city.
AA
Not
disproportionately,
for
example,
you
may
have
a
good
year
in
which
you
have
very
few
accidents
in
other
years,
because
we
have
what
we
call
strategic
driving
for
our
police
department.
They're
by
necessity,
are
have
more
exposure,
and
so
some
years
are
good
and
some
years
are
bad
but
overall
trend.
I
think
it's
pretty
pretty
level.
E
Q
Q
So
I
appreciate
everything
that
you've
done,
and
my
last
question
is:
if
I
get
this
right,
the
idea
is
to
approve
this
for
this
year
and
then
over
this
year,
you'll
be
doing
your
homework
to
getting
ready
to
go
out
to
bid
for
the
following
years
that
next
year
20
fiscal
year
2023.
Is
that
correct?
Okay?
Thank
you.
A
We
do
not
have
any
more
comments
wrong
call.
Please.
B
B
A
AF
A
Do
I
have
a
second
second?
Thank
you,
mr
smith.
I
just
want
to
tell
you
that
I
appreciate
the
discussion
we
had
the
other
day
and
explained
to
me
all
the
projects
that
you
have
in
in
the
works
for
that.
So
I
appreciate
that.
Are
there
any
other
commission
comments.
I
I.
S
Q
This
thank
you
mirror
the
pierce.
I
I'm
fine
with
tetra
tech.
I
wasn't
happy
with
what
they
did
for
us
with
the
extended
turning
base
and
I'm
sure
they're
fairly
large
corporation
and
and
sometimes
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
support
this
tonight.
But
I
want
to
talk
that
to
talk
to
you
a
bit
about
that
a
little
more.
Q
I
think
that
and
I'm
not
sure
if
it'll
be
the
same
type
of
a
project,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
whoever
works
on
this
is
more
city
goal
and
objective
driven,
rather
than
simply
taking
something
that
is
more
of
a
convenience,
a
convenient
path
to
just
to
get
something
to
to
produce.
In
that
regard,
and
and
again
I
had
looked
at
tetra
tech
with
regard
to
the
environmental
permitting
of
the
extended
training
base,
and
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
something
different.
Is
that
right?
Okay,
that's
correct!
Okay,
thank
you!
Q
AE
A
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
smith.
We
are
now
going
to
the
iron
number
eight,
which
is
review
pathometric
survey
and
local
navigation
chart
staff
report.
Mr
curtis
bob
roberson
would
give
that
report.
AE
Good
evening
bob
robertson
project
administration,
department,
director
the
latest
city
charter
revisions
include
a
stipulation
requiring
a
bathymetric
survey
of
local
channels.
That's
a
survey
of
the
channel
depths
and
creation
of
a
local
navigation
chart
to
be
completed
every
five
years,
starting
in
this
fiscal
year
as
required
that
work
has
been
completed.
AE
The
charter
also
stipulates
that
this
information
is
to
present
to
be
presented
to
the
board,
which
is
the
reason
for
this
agenda.
Item
charter
also
states
that
any
analysis
minutes
of
the
meeting
and
letter
recommendation
from
the
boc
will
be
transmitted
to
the
pinellas
county
administrator
as
well
as
other
agencies.
AE
So
what
we
do
with
this
information
and
what
we
recommend
to
the
county
is
for
your
discussion
and
consideration
tonight
mayor
to
help
prompt
the
discussion.
One
suggestion
for
consideration,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
backup,
would
be
for
the
city
staff
to
take
this
information,
the
survey
data
and
develop
a
local
channel,
dredging
master
plan
or
something
of
that
sort
and
an
accompanying
funding
strategy
for
these
local
maintenance,
dredging
activities
for
later
board
review
and
approval.
AE
But
for
now
gathering
this
data
and
preparing
the
map
was
the
first
step
and
meets
the
obligations
of
the
city
charter.
And,
lastly,
I
want
you
all
to
know
that
I've
been
working
with
our
gis
department
and
our
public
information
officer
and
we
place
links
to
a
public
gis
portal
with
the
navigation
map
on
the
city
website
in
a
couple
of
locations
for
public
access
and
use.
So
with
mayor
with
that,
mayor
back
to
you,.
AG
Good
evening
jackie
turner,
792
chesapeake
drive,
I
just
want
to
say
this
is
a
pretty
exciting
project
to
have.
I
think,
for
you
know
us
here
on
the
water,
very
powerful
and
valuable
tool
for
us
to
have
so.
Thank
you
of
course
mentioned.
You
know
this
is
going
to
be
for
public
use.
What
is
the
communication
plan
for
getting
this
into
boater's
hands?
Like
me,
I
I
would
hate
to
see
us.
AG
You
know,
do
such
an
amazing
job
here
and
have
a
wonderful
resource
that
people
aren't
aware
of
so
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
the
attention
and
again
curious.
You
know
what
is
the
plan
for
you
know
the
like
you're
talking
about
the
funding
strategy
for
future
dredging
needs
so
again
kind
of
illustrating
the
point
that's
made
before
about
the
need
for
maybe
a
grant
position
to
help
identify
some
of
those
resources
but
very
exciting.
Thanks.
A
AE
Yeah
well,
there's
a
couple
things
to
meet
the
charter.
What
this
board
needs
to
do
is
is
prepare
a
letter
recommendation,
whatever
it
is,
you're
recommending
to
be
transmitted
to
pinellas,
county
administrator
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
format
that
needs
to
be
might
be
just
that
these
are
the
steps
we're
taking
here's
a
survey,
we're
done
we've
done
and
we're
sharing
this
information
with
you
with
the
with
you,
the
county
that
could
be
the
nature
of
that
and
then
the
the
suggestion
I
had
was
first
next.
AE
Steps
for
staff
would
be
to
develop
some
kind
of
a
local
dredging
master
plan
and
develop
funding
sources
and
and
come
up
with
a
plan
for
attacking
these
areas
that
need
to
be
dredged
in
the
local
channels.
W
Okay,
so
it
would
be
to
draft
a
letter
to
the
county
administrator,
showing
the
details
of
the
study
asking
for
any
opportunities
for
funding
for
dredging
in
the
future
and
then
also
direct
a
staff
to
come
back
with
a
dredging
priority
list
and
no
idea
what
cost
would
be.
A
Thank
you,
mr
robinson.
I
agree
with
your
recommendation.
We
should
have
a
a
master
plan
and
also
to
have
a
funding
strategy
on
how
to
maintain
those
channels.
The
question
that
I
have
is
the
master
plan
that
we're
going
to
develop
is
something
we
can
do
in-house
or
we
have
to
hire
the
consultant
to
have
it
done.
AE
I
would
like
to
get
some
help
from
a
consultant,
primarily
just
for
computations
of
dredge
quantities
and
some
permitting
assistance.
Developing
a
prioritized
list
is
probably
not
very
difficult.
You
can
do
that,
based
on
the
color
coding
that
you
see
in
the
navigation
map,
so
I
would
like
to
probably
use
one
of
my
engineer
record
contracts.
This
would
be
a
low
dollar
item.
I
don't
see
this
being
an
extensive
effort
to
put
together.
A
And
the
master
plan
is
actually
going
to
give
us
an
idea,
what
kind
of
a
funding
we're
going
to
need
and
then
we'll
be
up
to.
I
guess,
mr
lakers
and
mr,
how
we're
going
to
how
where
the
funds
will
come
from.
A
That's
all
I
have
commission
car.
W
Yeah,
I
just
I
mean
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
the
water
growing
up,
and
these
areas
have
been
low-lying
for
many
many
years.
I
did
live
off
byu
for
many
years.
Also,
you
could
walk
across
that
area
at
low
tide.
W
W
I
know
we've
had
residents
come
and
complain
about,
because
the
either
the
grass
beds
have
moved
in
or
the
the
sand
has
moved
where
it's
difficult
to
get
in
at
low
tide
to
their
houses
and
they're,
like
million
dollar
houses
right
there,
paying
ridiculous
property
taxes
compared
to
myself,
but
so
I
mean
I
do
think
that
we
should
probably
look
at
that
as
well.
Some
of
the
areas
on
the
south
side
of
the
river
that
run
along
the
houses
to
see,
if
that's
an
option
to
do
something
there.
W
As
I
reiterated,
though
in
the
motion,
I
think
it's
important
to
look
at
the
values
as
well.
The
kramer
would
come
and
spring
values
from
a
dredging
standpoint
and
from
a
priority
also.
I
know
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
these
areas
that
are
very,
very
low,
you're
looking
at
one
or
two
feet,
I
think,
with
the
manatees
and
spring
body.
It's
also
that
would
be
a
priority
in
my
mind,
that
would
be
something
you
want
to
see
done
sooner
than
later,
although
there
are
some
some
deeper
spots,
but
it's
still
not
very
deep.
R
AD
R
Charter
committee-
I
remember
you
know
we
discussed
it
then,
and
it's
it's
nice
to
see
it
come
to
fruition
now
I
know
it's
been
really
frustrating
for
residents
that
live
on
the
water.
You
know,
especially
down
by
like
seminole
boulevard,
riverside
drive.
You
know
if
you
look
at
the
map,
even
if
they
dredge
their
own
dock
area,
it
doesn't
make
any
difference.
R
You
know
they
can't
get
in
or
can't
get
out
depending
on
the
tide,
something
that
I
I
was
just
wondering
if,
if
the
board
would
want
to
look
into-
and
it's
no
big
deal,
if
not
I'm
just
trying
to
think
if
this
is
something
we
want
to
have
ongoing,
which
it
sounds
like
it
is
and
of
course
the
budget's
finalized
tomorrow,
but
is
is.
Is
this
something
that
we
would
want
to
set
up
like
a
fund
for
like
a
local
dredge
fund?
R
And
then
maybe
you
know,
hike
up
the
price
for
non-residents
to
get
boat,
launch
permits
and
have
boat
launch
permits?
You
know,
I
don't
know
where
the
money
currently
goes
that
we
received
from
that.
I
can't
imagine
it's
a
lot.
I
think
for
residents.
It's
just
like
you
know,
25
bucks
a
year
almost,
but
I
don't
know
I
think
it
might
be
worth
looking
into
establishing
some
sort
of
set
fund
where
we
have
at
least
some
type
of
revenues
going
into.
We
can
just
say:
okay,
we
have
the
local
dredge
fund.
R
Maybe
we
need
to
supplement
it,
especially
at
first
with
different
funding
sources,
but
this
is
something
that's
going
to
be
ongoing
and,
as
we
dredge
other
areas,
other
areas
are
going
to
fall
behind.
So
I
think
it
might
be
wise
to
looking
at
at
least
establishing
some
type
of
actual
fund
just
for
these
local
dredges.
R
Nothing
concrete
needs
to
be
done
tonight.
That's
just
something
that
that
could
be
done
and
then
one
resident
did
bring
up
communicating
this
to
residents.
I
think
it
would
be
prudent
if
staff
you
know
made
these
maps
available
at
our
marina
and
then
also
you
know
kind
of
disseminated
them
to
the
private
marines
along
the
river.
Q
Thank
you
mayor.
I'm
just
going
to
ask
you
some
questions
and
don't
read
too
much
into
them:
you're,
not
a
boater.
Are
you
I'm
not
no
you're,
not
okay
and
and
in
all
honesty,
that's
the
sort
of
issue
that
we've
run
across
in
the
past.
With
doing
this
type
of
work
is
the
boating
expertise
that
we've
got
in
town.
I
know
probably
there's
some
kayakers
and
things
of
that
nature.
Q
Q
All
right-
and
I
think
the
the
chart
itself
is
fine
from
for
an
engineer,
but
for
a
boater
as
and
I'm
not
sure,
you're
going
to
be
familiar
with
it.
It
needs
to
be
a
little
more
user
friendly
or
geared
towards
them.
So
I
think
the
data
is
good.
Q
I
think
the
color
coding
is
good,
but
I
think
it
needs
to
be
repackaged
so
that
it
would
be
something
a
little
more
convenient
and
easily
more
understood
similar
to
what
you
would
have
with
a
noaa
chart
right
and
then
also,
for
example,
on
the
chart
itself.
I
didn't
see
what
the
datum
was.
You
know
you
had
the
one
foot
whatever
four
or
five
foot,
but
I
didn't
see
a
datum
which
was
associated
with
that
and
right
and
noaa's
got
a
specific
data
that
they
work
with
on
their
their
yeah.
Q
83.,
okay,
the
other
thing
too,
is
when
when
and
I
had-
I
was
on
the
charter,
revision,
commission
and
and
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
semantics
issue
when,
when
we
talk
about
the
local
recreational
channels-
and
we
talk
about
the
cuts,
the
cuts
are
not
like
the
ankle
river
channel.
Where
there's
a
a
straight
line.
Q
That's
a
cut
then
cut
two
three,
four:
the
cuts
that
that
was
the
context
of
the
conversation
were
cuts
between
barrier
islands
along
those
areas
that
I
think
vice
mayor
was
talking
about
on
the
south
side
of
the
river
there's
a
couple
of
those
that
allows
people
to
access
the
channel
from
their
homes
that
has
been
neglected
over
time
and
they've.
Silted
up
also
was
contacted
by
a
couple
of
the
commercial
commercial
voters
that
are
over
there
from
the
roosevelt
boulevard
canal
between
that
and
tarpon
bayou.
Q
Q
What
you
picked
up
on
was
the
dredging
that
was
done
20
years
ago
right,
but
I
think
we
have
a
lot
more
work
to
do
in
this
regard
and
the
one
thing
that
and
I'll
probably
bring
that
back
as
an
agenda
item
in
the
future
is
to
reconstitute
the
marine
commerce
committee
and
that
local
navigation
responsibility
to
that.
So
they
can
actually
review
this
information
for
the
next
time.
We
go
through
this
to
make
some
recommendations
expand
on
it
and
to
do
the
sort
of
things
that
you
heard.
Q
One
comment
tonight
to
make
it
a
little
more
user
friendly
and
comprehensive.
Q
So
I'm
okay
with
it
tonight,
but
I
think
we've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
and
it
in
I
mean
it-
was
obvious
to
me
that
that
in
in
all
honesty
I
think
you
did
the
best
you
could
under
the
circumstances.
Q
But
I
think
if
we
were
to
start
over
again,
it
would
be
a
little
more
detailed,
for
example,
kramer
value
around
commissioner
terpani's
grandparents
home.
That
area
is
kind
of
tricky
getting
in
and
out
there's
you
know
channels
that
run
across
the
periphery
of
that
and-
and
I
think
those
need
to
be
documented
as
well.
There's
just
a
lot,
I
guess,
is
what
I'm
getting
at
that
you're,
not
showing
not
you,
but
that
the
chart
itself
doesn't
show
that
we
need
to
include
on
this.
So
thank
you
mayor.
A
A
W
A
U
My
that
janina
lewis,
who
worked
hard
in
between
the
last
meetings
to
get
these
two
items
put
together
so
janina.
V
V
The
new
rates
requested
incorporate
the
2021
annual
cpi
adjustment,
fuel
and
oil
adjustment
and
also
request
a
disposal
adjustment
from
pinellas
county.
In
addition,
an
additional
1.12
dollars
per
month
adjustment
that
waste
management
actually
saw
in
2020,
based
on
the
change
in
law
and
extraordinary
issues
related
to
recycling,
and
that
request
was
denied
in
the
backup
memo
they
provided
and
I'm
going
to
leave
it
with
that.
Are
there
any
questions
regarding
the
issues.
U
Just
to
add
to
that
I
want
to
thank
mr
gresham
coming
in
and
talking
to
me
this
is
a
very
fair
proposal.
This
is
a
very
good
proposal,
I'm
very
happy
that
he
was
willing
to
work
with
us
and
the
parameters
and
the
increases
were
not
surprises.
He
didn't
give
me
any
surprises
or
do
anything
additional,
so
this
is
in
line
with
what
I
believed
was
going
to
happen.
So
this
is
a
good
deal
and
I
wholeheartedly
recommend
approval
of
this.
I
Let's
say,
doesn't
work
out
in
the
future.
We
got
to
have
a
system
where
rfps
are
send
out
six
seven
months
ahead.
City
staff
already
has
a
lot
on
their
hands,
so
we
don't
want
to
fall
into
this
current
situation.
I
There's
another
item
coming
up
regarding
city
attorney
fees
and
that
contract
is
gonna
expire
here
in
a
month
and
if
the
board
doesn't
agree
with
the
city
attorney
well,
what's
gonna
happen.
Are
we
gonna
scramble
to
do
another
rfp
for
some
legal
services?
I
W
A
Thank
you.
I'd
like
to
express
my
appreciation
to
the
waste
management
for
agreed
to
provide
us
an
extension
of
service
of
six
months
with
the
rate
of
structural
increase.
According
to
the
current
agreement,
and
the
increase
to
a
single-family
house
is
going
to
be
a
dollar
59
per
month.
W
Have
one
vice
mayor
car?
Thank
you,
yeah.
Thank
you.
Like
miss
lewis,
I
have
a
question
about
that.
The
extension
looking
at
the
rfp,
which
is
the
next.
I
guess
it's
the
sub
category,
this
item
we're
on
tonight.
It
looks
like
the
final
award
would
be
in
january,
I'm
understanding
with
like
supply
chain
if
it
were
to
be
a
bid
if
the
reward
rfp
reward
goes
to
somebody
else
that
the
acquisition
of
products
would
be
difficult
to
do
within
a
month
or
two.
W
V
We
haven't
gone
forward
with
any
other
extension
discussions.
Okay,
the
timeline.
The
timeline
is
six
months.
We
feel
that
we
should
be
able
to
achieve
a
new
contract
in
that
timeline
of
award
frame
with
the
transition
and
approval.
R
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
the
board
knows
how
I
feel
about
this
one.
I
think
we
should
have
went
with
waste
pro.
I
just
think
the
eight
million
dollars
of
taxpayer
money
was
too
much
to
overcome
for
waste
management,
but
at
this
point
our
hands
are
tied.
Q
I
I
think
ms
lewis,
she
did
exceptional
for
just
this
minor
increase
and
to
the
residents
over
another
six-month
period.
I
wish
we
could
extend
it
for
another
four
and
a
half
years.
That's
not
going
to
happen,
and
I
wish
to
thank
mr
gresham
and
waste
management
for
working
with
the
city
on
this,
as
it
should
be
over
the
last
25
years.
Q
B
A
AC
V
AD
Bill
gresham
with
waste
management,
I
obviously
haven't
seen
the
whole
document,
but
I
read
the
backup
that
was
presented
and
there
was
only
a
couple
of
things
on
there.
I'd
like
to
talk
about
real
quickly
and
the
first
one
was
price
is
still
the
highest
rated
factor
in
the
rfp,
but
can
we
lower
their
percentage
it's
based
at
55
percent
now,
so
it
almost
makes
the
rfp
like
a
bid,
so
if
it
could
be
lowered
to
like
40
percent
in
the
other
three
sections
be
raised
to
20.
AD
AD
You
know
if
it's
a
five-year
agreement,
that
would
only
mean
two
price
adjustments
and
that
would
make
the
beginning
of
the
contract,
not
the
most
optimum
number
that
I
think
this
board
is
looking
at
a
a
lower
starting
rate.
When
you
only
have
you
know,
two
two
price
increases
for
a
five
year
agreement,
you're
going
to
have
to
build
in
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
numbers
at
the
very
top
of
it.
AD
And
just
about
the
price
increase
right
now,
because
of
mainly
because
of
covid,
you
know
how
important
is
this?
Well,
the
steel
pricing
steel
prices
are
up.
149
percent
plastic
pricing
is
up
50
percent
diesel
fuel
25,
natural
gas,
35,
hot
roll,
cold
steel,
176
percent
collection,
vehicle
parts,
113
percent
new
tires
48
lubricants
37,
so
you
can
see
where
it's
kind
of
going
and
if
you
wait
three
years
to
try
and
work
in
that,
it's
it's
it's
going
to
be,
not
a
good
financial
picture.
AD
In
the
past
five
years,
waste
management
has
averaged
2.4
percent
per
year
as
a
price
increase.
AD
All
right-
and
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about-
was
the
last
page
of
the
deal
that
said
that
the
alternates
from
two
to
three
to
four
or
five
days,
you
could
put
that
in
your
in
your
response,
but
I
just
felt
like
when
I
read
that
it
might
bring
us
back
to
this
type
of
position,
because
if
we
put
in
an
alternate
for
five
days
a
week-
and
nobody
else
does,
then
how
do
you
compare
them.
So
that
was
the
only
only
things
that
I
wanted
to
discuss
about
the
rfp
today.
AD
A
Here
none
the
chair
will
detain
emotion
on
the
919b.
A
Do
I
have
a
second
second
okay,
thank
you.
Well,
I
think
the
new
rfp
it
will
be
very,
very
clear.
Our
decisions
can
be
based
on
pricing
and
service.
A
The
rfp
will
have
many
pricing
different
options,
the
two
day
or
in
a
four-day
service,
without
the
roll-offs
with
and
without
and
identify
the
days
of,
the
yard
waste
to
recycle
pickup,
and
also
it's
going
to
have
the
inflation
rate
adjustment.
So
I
think
the
the
rfp
is
going
to
be
a
very,
very
clear,
very,
very
fair
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
get
very
good
results
based
on
the
pricing
and
service.
W
Vice
mayor
carr,
thanks
mayor,
I
did
have
discussions
with
a
couple
of
waste
companies.
I
met
with
them
to
discuss
just
the
business
a
little
bit
more
and
understand
it
and
end
the
discussions.
I
did
learn
that
from
multiple
companies
I've
talked
with
is
that
the
year
to
year
inflationary
adjustment
where
we
skip
a
year,
so
it
could
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
bid
itself
and
they
said
based
on
their
calculations,
having
a
fixed
inflationary
number.
W
I
do
think
it's
probably
prudent
on
our
end
from
the
city
to
do
a
fixed
inflation
area,
so
it's
kind
of
like
our
sewer
rates
and
water
rates,
how
we
put
a
cap
on
it,
although
we
reduced
it
that
we
have
a
max
or
a
plan
that
we're
going
to
go
to
if
it's
two
and
a
half
percent
or
two
and
a
half
2.25
whatever
that
may
be
on
an
annual
basis.
So
they
know
they
can
do
their
own
calculation
and
give
us
their
best
number
that
they
can
come
up
with.
So
that
would
be.
W
My
only
suggestion
is
that
we
change
the
inflation
cap
to
somewhere
between
two
and
a
half
or
two
point,
two
five
and
three
percent.
R
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor.
I
definitely
think
pricing
still
needs
to
be
the
most
highly
weighted
factor,
no
doubt
about
it.
We're
not
dealing
with
our
own
money,
I'm
not
willing
to
change
that.
R
I
think
if
we
want
to
see
it
for
pricing,
I
mean
fine
if
you
want
to
make
them
throw
out
a
number,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
it's
fine,
if
you
guys
come
back
here
after
the
rfp
process,
is
done
and
say,
hey
here's,
what
we're
comfortable
going
with.
We
added
these
in
for
pricing,
so
you
could
see
apples
to
apples
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
but
I'm
I'm
still
fine
with
you
know,
however,
they
want
to
do
waste
pickup.
Let
them
do
waste
pickup.
That
way.
T
Regarding
the
direction
on
the
two
day
or
four
day
service,
I
do
think
that
it
was
brought
up
by
mr
gresham
that
that
would,
if
we
have
an
alternative,
that
it
may
just
lend
to
the
same
scenario
that
we
got
in
from
the
onset.
It
seemed
like
when
we
discussed
this
with
the
waste
pro.
It
seemed
like
the
pretty
much
consensus
of
the
board,
and
also
some
residents
was
to
have
less
trucks
on
the
road
or
yeah
less
trucks
on
the
road
for
fewer
days
a
week.
T
So
I
don't
think
that
we
should
give
an
and
or
scenario
there.
I
think
that
we
should
be
specific
in
what
we're
looking
for
in
terms
of
service
on
that,
and
then
I
agree
with
the
vice
mayor
regarding
the
inflation
cap
to
include
that
in
into
the
bid
versus
the
every
other
year
scenario.
Q
The
a
couple
of
things
I
appreciate
you
being
creative
and
adding
those
additional
alternatives
in
there.
Q
As
for
how
to
bid
these
things,
ms
lewis,
over
what
the
commission
had
done
side,
the
two
four
five
that
sort
of
thing,
the
the
percentages
in
discussing
this
with
the
city
manager-
that's
the
way
it's
been
done
with
every
the
same
breakdown
55
or
whatever
it's
been
with
all
the
other
renewals
right,
yes,
and
that's
something
that
mr
gresham's
company's
worked
with
as
well
and
has
had
is
done
fine
for
those
last
three
or
four
or
five
renewals.
Is
that
correct?
Q
Yes?
Okay,
so
I
think
we're
I'm
okay
with
leaving
it
the
way
it
is.
I
initially
I
had
wanted
to
change
that,
but
mr
the
course
reminded
me
that
this
is
the
way
it
was
and
if
we
start
changing
these
sort
of
things
now
it
could
cause
problems
in
in
the
in
the
rfp
process.
So
I'm,
okay
with
that
the
number
of
trips
and
and
people
with
the
number
of
days
the
trucks
are
in
the
city
and
things
like
that.
Q
V
Q
Okay,
yeah,
it
was
really
interesting.
Waste
pro
wanted
to
split
the
city
along
alternate
19..
I
found
out
from
mr
function
that
that
is
pretty
much
already
done.
That
way.
Right
now
and
and
basically
then,
the
issue
with
the
number
of
days
of
trucks
in
town
has
more
to
do
with
the
number
of
times
residents
set
eyes
on
it.
Q
So
if,
if
their
natural
route
down
to
pinellas
park,
where
they
unload
is
us19
and
we
split
it
along
alternate
19
you're,
going
to
see
a
lot
more
cars
in
that
area
between
alternate
19,
east
and
u.s
19
five
days
a
week,
so
I'd
like
for
there
to
be
a
little
bit
of
at
least
I'm
not
sure
how
many
the
waste
companies
are
going
to
hear
this
this
evening,
but
they
need
to
be
a
little
sensitive
to
that.
V
Q
Q
Just
because
I
don't
know,
and-
and
I
wish
we
had
a
little
more
information
in
that
regard
this
evening.
That
would
help
us
make
that
decision,
but
we
don't
maybe
there's
some
way.
I
maybe
the
commission
isn't
concerned
about
that,
but
I
am
if
we're
dealing
with
6.6
right
now
we
say:
well,
they
can't
adjust
their
prices
more
than
2.5
per
year.
Q
I
I
don't
know
how
that's
going
to
work
and
then
the
other
part
of
this
was
the.
I
know
we
can
extend
it
past
the
five
years.
That's
going
to
be
another
change
in
our
rfp
that
we
can
extend
the
contract.
I.
S
Q
V
Q
Is
that
year
by
year,
up
to
ten
years,
okay,
all
righty!
Thank
you
very
much.
That's
all
mayor.
My
only
concern
is
the
2.4
cap.
I
I
appreciate
vice
mayor
suggesting
that
I
just
don't
know
that
what
that's
going
to
do
with
the
the
process.
So
thank
you.
A
W
I'll
modify
the
motion
yeah.
So
to
me
I
don't,
are
you
sure
I
made
the
motion.
Q
Q
Yes,
and
and
if
out
of
respect
for
the
commission,
if
they
want
me
to
add
that
2.5,
then
I
would
rescind
my
motion
okay
and
then
let
somebody
else
make
the
motion.
I
just
feel
that
2.4
is
is
just
I
don't
know
enough
about
it
to
be
able
to
agree
to
that.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
emotion
in
a
second
any
any
comments.
W
Yeah
I
just
I
just
want
to
stress
that,
based
on
my
conversation
with
waste
management
and
waste
pro,
and
just
doing
my
research
like
that
was
they
were
saying
if
the
city
doesn't
potentially
look
at
that
as
doing
a
fixed
inflationary
cap.
Let's
say
we'll
put
it
at
three
percent:
it's
up
to
three
percent
that
it
could
adversely
change
the
bid
for
the
initial
first
year
and
then
it
could
be
a
higher
bid
for
the
first
year
because
of
the
unknowns
that
they're
not
going
to
have
the
increases.
W
So
they're
not
going
to
have
increase
for
the
second
year.
They
could
do
the
increase
in
the
third
year
and
not
an
increase
in
the
fourth
year,
whatever
an
increase
in
the
fifth
year
right.
So
that's
what
they
were
saying
based
on
their
calculations.
They
would
have
a
guaranteed
amount
that
they
could
back
into
and
it's
we're
hedging
the
bet
on
our
side,
because
if
inflation
does
go
higher
than
the
city
wins,
but
if
the
inflation's
flat
and
year
two
three
and
four,
then
I
guess
you
would
say
they
win
right.
Q
So
if
mayor,
if
I
may
ask
vice
mayor
car
a
question,
is
it
up
to
a
certain
percentage
that
you're
proposing
or
a
specific
an
automatic.
W
V
Every
year,
so
every
anniversary
of
the
agreement,
which
is
one
october-
they
are
allowed
or
adjusted
a
cpi
index
either
the
other
than
fuel
and
oil
and
the
fuel
and
oil
index.
So
they
get
so.
Q
We
don't
have
to
stay.
I
saw
that
cpi.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
and
I
know
that
is
an
issue.
Don't
get
me
wrong.
I
am
aware
of
that,
because
I've
talked
to
waste
management
as
well.
They
would
rather
have
some
other
indexing
as
as
well
and
they
don't
like
the
cpi
either
I'll
I'll
go
with
with
you
know,.
W
S
W
Yeah
and
then
the
other
part,
clarification
is
the
the
tipping
fees.
I
think
that's
separate
right.
So
pinellas
county
increases
the
tipping
fees
and
that
would
be
an
increase
as
well
correct.
V
On
top
of
the
inflationary,
we
do
allow
there's
another
provision
in
the
agreement
on
the
solicitation
that
will
allow
for
any
adjustments.
It's
based
on
law
tipping
fee,
whatever
the
contractor
has
to
approach
us
with
the
request
for
increase.
U
V
A
A
So
the
motion
has
been
not
modified
and
you,
okay.
A
A
E
A
Okay,
we're
now
going
to
the
year
number
10,
which
is
the
appointments
for
parks
and
recreation
advisory
board.
We
have
three
vacancies
that
we
need
to
fill
to
select
three
people
from
the
list.
W
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
individuals
that
are
great
in
our
community
and
I
really
appreciate
everybody
putting
in
their
application
for
this.
Overall,
I
would
say
the
first
applicant
who's
been
in
the
longest.
W
Beth
honey
one
occur
cook.
I
would
go
with
her,
but
I'm
also
open
to
anybody
else.
I
do
think
she's.
She
would
fit
well
on
the
budget
advisory
board,
but
she
does
have
parking
direct
recreation
as
we're.
Second.
W
R
So,
just
to
clarify
that's
cook
barns
and
shields.
A
R
Okay,
yeah!
That's
that's
perfect
for
me
again,
everybody's
great
on
this
list.
I'm
surprised
poor,
beth,
wanaker
cook
has
been
in
there
since
since
before
I
was
even
on
the
commission,
so
that's
a
long
time
to
be
trying
to
volunteer.
E
R
So
glad
glad
to
get
her
on
a
board
and
then
barnes
and
and
shields
and
shields
is
actually
he
was
actually
on.
The
tarpon
springs
little
league
board,
so
good
good
to
see
that
representation
there
as
well
so
yeah.
I
support
the
three
that
vice
mayor
suggested.
A
We
need
to
go
to
public
comments
on
this
item.
Do
we
have
any
public
comments?
R
A
S
A
Yes,
yes,
item
number
11
is
the
appointment
to
sustainability
committee,
the
terms
of
for
regular
members,
taylor,
mandalo
denise
menino,
and
the
alternate
robert
sanger,
who
will
expire
september
30th
2021,
and
they
wish
to
be
reappointed.
R
A
A
W
A
A
Yes,
yes
and
now
we
go
to
item
number
12
to
approve
contract
with
trask
dyno
for
city
attorney
services,.
Y
Y
My
understanding,
based
upon
my
conversations
with
mr
herring
is,
is
that
the
law
firm
has
not
had
an
increase
in
the
retainer
for
11
years.
The
retainer
has
been
the
same
I'll.
Let
mr
herring
confirm
that,
and
back
in
april
prior
to
budget
season
beginning,
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
city
manager
advising
him
that
I
would
like
to
address
this
earlier
than
later.
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
this
is
considered
during
the
budget
process,
because
the
contract
would
expire
on
october
15th.
Y
In
that
regard,
he
asked
me
to
put
something
in
writing.
I
did
provide
a
letter
to
the
city
manager
on
april
13th.
That
was
in
your
packet
the
last
time
and
it
specifically
went
through
a
number
of
different
things.
The
first
is
to
advise
the
commission
that
over
the
past
three
years,
the
need
for
city
attorney
services
has
increased.
It
has
increased
for
a
number
of
different
reasons.
Y
Y
I
have
updated
that
in
that
billing
retainer
billing
history,
you
can
see
that
there
has
been
a
significant
number
of
hours
that
our
law
firm
has
to
have
written
off
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
some
months
as
high
as
ten
thousand
dollars
a
month
in
attorney
time
have
been
written
off
because
of
the
fact
that
we
have
an
agreement
with
the
city.
The
retainer
would
be
at
six
thousand
dollars
per
month.
Y
The
law
firm
consists
of
eight
lawyers.
It
consists
of
five
board-certified
government
lawyers.
Y
This
is
what
we
do.
We
represent
10
or
11
municipalities
in
pinellas
county.
We
represent
entities
throughout
the
east
coast,
I'm
sorry
the
west
coast
of
florida
in
the
litigation
that
we
do
on
behalf
of
the
florida
league
of
cities,
we're
asking
for
an
increase
in
the
retainer
from
six
thousand
to
seventy
five
hundred
dollars
a
month
and
and
remember
now.
There
are
a
number
of
lawyers
that
are
currently
handling
matters
for
you,
for
example,
you've
had
rob
eschenfelder
doing
procurement
issues
and
also
union
issues
sign
code
issues
that
food
truck
issues.
Y
You
have
jay
danio
handling
a
lot
of
the
litigation
that
has
come
out
as
for
the
city,
including
appeals
and
so
forth,
but
you've
got
the
whole
course
of
other
lawyers
that
are
in
the
law.
Firm
that
have
specialties.
For
example,
mr
platty,
mr
platy
has
been
has
been
a
real
estate
attorney
for
40
years
and
he
handles
all
the
real
estate
matters
for
the
city.
Y
So
with
all
that
being
said,
we're
asking
that
the
retainer
be
increased
from
six
thousand
to
seventy
five
hundred
dollars
per
month
for
the
first
45
hours
of
billable
time.
So
this
is
a
little
bit
different
than
the
last
retainer,
which
it
was
an
unlimited
number
of
hours.
We
can
no
longer
continue
to
work.
An
unlimited
number
of
hours
for
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
because
of
the
work
that
is
needed
to
represent
you
properly.
Y
Y
With
that
being
said,
I
you
know
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
for
you.
I
I
appreciate
the
evaluations
that
I've
been
given
so
far
and
I
think
that
those
evaluations
speak
for
themselves.
I
don't
know
if
each
one
of
you
have
received
the
others
that
have
been
provided,
but
the
evaluations
and
that
I've
received
are
favorable,
and
I
appreciate
that
from
the
commissioners
that
have
provided
that
so
far.
Y
A
G
I
don't
think
he's
asking
anything
out
of
line
with
what
other
attorneys
throughout
the
county
get
from
other
municipalities,
because
I
can
tell
you
from
what
I
hear
you
know
go
around
in
the
circles.
His
reputation
is
stellar.
The
firm's
reputation
is
above
anything
and
through
the
years
he's
been
good
to
tarpon
and
the
whole
firm
has.
J
J
They
do
not
have
to
deal
with
the
cost
of
fuel
rising
and
the
steel
and
all
the
things
that
the
the
trash
guys
have
to
deal
with
they're
asking
for
more
money,
because
that's
the
cost
of
doing
business.
They
just
want
more
money.
J
They
just
want
more
money,
we're
yachts,
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
They
just
want
more
money
and
what
they
drop.
This
on
you
right
before
it
expires
just
like
the
other
gentleman
mentioned
so
kind
of
back
up
against
the
wall
in
it,
contracts
set
to
expire
and
you're
supposed
to
decide
real
quick.
Why
didn't
this
go
out
for
bid
not
to
mention
the
many
times,
commissioner
larson
caught
them
double
dipping?
J
J
J
He
also
advised
you
that
you
could
remove
another
board
chair
a
volunteer
board
chair
just
because
you
guys
didn't
like
what
that
person
said
here,
having
nothing
to
do
with
his
board
all
of
this
stuff
you.
J
He
also
had
the
police
haul,
a
guy
out
of
here
who
wasn't
getting
out
of
line,
and
then
he
advised
you
that
was
okay
and
then
two
weeks
later,
he
advised
you
that
you
couldn't
do
it
that
he,
the
guy,
was
doing
the
exact
same
behavior
and
he
told
you
that
you
couldn't
because
he
finally
looked
it
up
and
said:
oh
no,
you
can't
so
you
might
want
to
consider
you
know
looking
elsewhere
for
your
legal
advice
and
I
could
go
on
and
on.
I
wish
I
had
known
about
this
sooner.
J
You
can't
just
shoot
from
the
hip
unless
you've
got
this
stuff,
memorized
chapter
and
verse
like
her
belly,
and
even
he
will
research
it.
But
he'll
know
exactly
where
that
book
is
on
his
law
shelf
and
go
get
it
and
pull
the
book
out.
Not
talking
about
the
internet,
he'll
pull
the
book
out
and
show
you
the
law,
I've
seen
him,
do
it.
J
This
is
something
else
and
you're
not
even
going
to
look
around
give
it.
You
know
all
this
to
do
about
the
trash
pickup
and
how
many
different
ways
you're
going
to
make
sure
you
get
the
best
deal
and
save
money
and
with
them
you
know
it's.
Those
guys
you
got
to
just
you
know,
give
them
what
they
want.
J
W
A
mission
to
approve,
as
proposed.
R
A
Thank
you
we're
now
going
to
the
commission
comments.
In
august,
I
completed
the
evaluation
for
mr
trask.
I
am
very
pleased
with
the
quality
of
work
that
he's
providing
to
the
city.
A
Y
So
I
I
can
jump
in
here.
First
of
all,
during
that
period
of
time.
Obviously
there
were
a
lot
of
additional
commission
meetings
that
went
a
little
bit
later,
but
there
were
also
a
lot
of
issues
relative
to
development
agreements
and
you'll.
Remember
that
way
back
in
the
very
beginning
or
maybe
not
be
because
it
was
probably
all
before
you,
but
in
the
very
very
beginning,
when
we
did
development
agreements,
for
example,
those
were
charged
separately.
Those
were
charged
separately
because
of
the
fact
that
the
city
was
receiving
a
fee
for
development
agreements.
Y
Those
are
considered
to
be
retainer
now,
so
I
do
all
of
those
development
agreements
all
the
ordinances
resolutions,
every
every
one
of
those
things
is
all
under
retainer.
So
I
think
that
there
is,
since
the
development
that
has
occurred
or
the
developments
that
have
applied
and
came
before
you
in
the
commission
in
the
last
year,
or
so
those
required
a
significant
amount
of
time,
and
so
I
think
that
that
is
a
portion
of
it.
Y
We've
also
provided
a
whole
lot
more
information
and
assistance
in
the
procurement
area,
with
the
changes
that
there
have
been
over
the
last
year.
So
I
think
that
that
is
there.
In
addition
to
that,
I
have
attended
budget
meetings
and
other
meetings
that,
maybe
you
don't
need
me
at,
and
so
maybe
there
could
be
a
situation
if
you
want
to
shorten
those
hours.
This
is
to
give
the
city
manager
the
ability
to
say
tom.
We
don't
we
don't
need
you
at
that
particular
meeting,
that's
a
meeting
that
we
can
handle
on
our
own.
Y
A
That's
all
I
have
commission
tap
in.
W
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
touch
base
with
how
I
feel
about
the
working
with
tom's
firm.
Overall,
I
do
like
the
aspect
that
his
firm
has
multiple
board
certified
attorneys.
I
think
that's
a
great
attractive
part
of
his
firm,
also
that
they
represent
multiple
cities.
So
if
they
do
research
in
other
cities,
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
almost
inherits
that
research
without
paying
for
the
cost,
except
the
15-minute
phone
call
or
whatever
it
may
be,
with
the
attorney.
So
I
think
that's
a
bonus
working
with
a
firm
that
represents
multiple
cities.
W
W
Y
One
tenth
of
an
hour
so
if
we
were
to,
I,
was
to
review
an
email,
for
example,
and
it's
a
lengthy
email.
Y
W
W
Understood
so
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
I've
been
happy
with
your
service.
Like
I
had
in
my
review.
I
think
you
guys
have
done
a
great
job
for
the
city.
I
do
find
that
you
are
educated,
and
you
know
your
stuff
from
a
statute
standpoint
and
you're
able
to
pull
it
out
and
just
tell
us.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
I
think
you've
got
a
lot
of
great
experience
that
you
bring
to
the
city.
So
I
appreciate
you
representing
protecting
the
boards
and
having
your
representation
here
at
our
meetings.
Thanks.
Thank.
Y
R
Y
Q
And
let
me
just
ask
you:
I
was
going
to
ask
you
this
to
pull
the
agenda
item
off
your
billing,
but
you've
changed
that
a
bit
right.
You've
actually
you've
put
names
on
there
very
specific.
Q
But
it's
changed
since
I
mean
you
were
very
neutral
not
to
put
names
out
there
now
there's
specific
names
on
there.
As
far
as
who
the
phone
call
was
with.
Y
Yes,
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
detail
so
that
you
know
I
don't
have
to
remember
six
months
ago
when
I
billed
for
a
telephone
call
as
to
who
it
was
with.
So
that
is
for
two
reasons.
One
to
let
you
know
who
I'm
speaking
with
and
the
other
is
is
so
that
I
know
if
I'm
asked
sometime
in
the
future,
it's
more
detail
is
better,
I
think,
but
but.
Q
Y
Q
I've
always
done
it
that
way.
Yeah
I've
gone
for
some
for
some
reason
I
was
actually
I
appreciated
I'd,
looked
them
over
tonight
and
and
in
the
past,
but
I
thought
there
was
a
lot
more
detail
this
time.
Maybe
it
was
a
different
type
of
invoice
as
far
as
the
the
the
greater
number
of
phone
calls
and
things
of
that
nature
or
emails
and
stuff
it's
just.
I
like
the
detail.
I
guess,
is
what
I'm
getting
at.
Q
Is
what
I'm
talking
about
and
and
and
you
know
anybody
can
look
at
the
invoice
to
see
what
the
conversation
was
or
or
what
its
purpose
was,
and
you
can
ask
for
the
back
up
on
that
as
long
as
it's
not
a
attorney
client
privilege,
you
know.
Normally,
we
just
like
commissioner
tara
panty's
question
as
far
as
comparing
it
to
others.
Q
We
usually
would
have
something
to
compare
it
to,
and
that's
the
only
discomfort
I've
got
this
evening
with
that,
but
I
know
I've
known
mr
trask
for
since
1996,
so
when
mr
hubbard
was
here
and
mr
trask
was
just
starting
out,
so
I
don't
have
an
issue
with
this
and
and
quite
frankly,
I
think
three
years
is
a
short
enough
time
that
if
there
are
issues
as
far
as
billable
hours
and
that
sort
of
thing,
then
the
commission
in
the
future
could
could
collect
the
information
that
they
would
need
to
do
the
comparisons
similar
to
what
commissioner
taylor
panty
was
asking
about
and
then
and
then
make
a
decision
based
on
that.
A
Thank
you,
you
have
no
more
comments.
Roll
call
please.
A
Y
Y
Y
Just
briefly,
some
of
you
would
know
that
I've
sent
a
well
first
of
all
created
a
monthly
list
of
all
the
litigation
that
I'm
currently
we're
currently
representing
the
city
on.
Y
We
put
that
in
a
format
that
I
think
is
a
way
that
is
understandable
and
it
went
out
a
couple
of
days
ago,
or
maybe
it
was
yesterday
we'll
let
you
know
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
that
on
a
monthly
basis,
so
that
you
know,
if
you
have
any
thoughts
or
suggestions
as
to
the
the
format
of
the
the
litigation
summary
that
I'm
giving.
Let
me
know-
and
so
I
can
fix
that
or
provide
additional
information
on
that.
Y
That
list
is
highly
confidential
because
it
provides
information
relative
to
the
cases
that
the
public
at
large
may
not
know.
So
I'm
asking
that,
even
though
you
get
it,
it
will
not
be
in
your
agenda
package.
It
will
be
provided
to
you
on
a
monthly
basis,
but
if
you
have
questions
once
you
receive
it,
please
reach
out
to
me.
That
is
something
new.
This
is
one
of
the
things
that
I've
talked
to
the
mayor
about
during
the
evaluation
that
we
both
thought.
W
U
As
you
know,
again,
we
don't
have
a
full
board
until
the
november
2nd
meeting
remember
in
november
we
have
meetings,
the
2nd,
9th
and
16th
anglo
harbors
takes
up
the
the
26th
and
the
9th
and
obviously,
there's
no
need
to
put
anything
else
on
those
agendas.
So
that's
why
those
items
are
going,
the
second
and
the
16th
and
we
returned
to
a
full
board
on
the
26th.
Obviously,
commissioner
tarapani
excused
himself,
but
we
got
one
so
we
so
I
know
we've
got
a
list
and
we
need
to
talk
about
sometime
in
the
future.
U
Some
of
the
some
of
the
things
that
we
had
planned
some
items,
some
town
hall
meetings
and
we
probably
need
to
talk
about
there's,
not
a
lot
of
dates
again
with
the
schedule.
There's
not
a
lot
of
dates
coming
up
until
you
get
in
the
thanksgiving
christmas
time,
and
I.
E
U
Know
what
the
flavor
is
there
there
may
be
some
alternatives
like
some
of
these
things,
we're
going
to
do
town
hall
meetings
on
we
maybe
use
our
our
community
engagement
platforms
and
stuff,
but
right
now
it's
it's
just
those
meetings,
those
anchor
harbor
meetings
and
the
extra
meetings
we've
had
added
in
november,
obviously
december.
We
always
go
the
first
two
tuesdays
because
of
that.
W
Okay,
you
know,
I
think
it's
important
if
you
could
mark,
send
all
the
pending
items
out
to
the
commission
and
let
the
commission
reply
back
to
you
on
their
priority,
because.
W
Important
to
get
some
type
of
priority
list
for
you,
I
do
think
it's
also
important
to
have
some
type
of
workshop
with
a
couple
of
the
items
if
it's
at
the
beginning
of
december
or
whatever
it
may
be.
W
R
Q
Yes,
mayor,
thank
you.
The
one
town
hall
meeting
I
talked
to
city
manager
about
it
was
the
sun
bay
and
hoffman
property.
We
really
need
to
have
a
town
hall
on
that.
Q
It's
for
budgeting
purposes,
just
to
kind
of
program,
things
that
we
want
to
do
and
and
the
residents
really
really
have
to
have
a
say
on
that.
I
don't
think
there's
any
disagreement
on
the
board.
It's
just,
I
think
one
of
the
first
town
hall
meetings.
We
should
be
doing
that
one,
that's
what
we've
I
don't
want
to
say
promised,
but
I
think
that's
what
the
residents
are
waiting
for,
so
that
would
be
towards
december.
Q
That
one
would
be
one
that
I
mean
I
would
like
to
see.
I
don't
know
that
if
there
would
be
any
disagreement
with
the
commission
on
that,
I
don't
know,
the
other
thing
is
a
little
unfinished
business
on
the
on
the
homeless
board
down
at
the
county.
Q
Q
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful,
so
there's
no
disconnect
there
and
seeing
angela,
of
course,
I'll.
Let
you
handle
that
as
far
as
how
to
make
that
change
whether
there
needs
to
be
a
an
appointment
or
something
that
needs
to
be
done
more
formal
mayor,
I
don't
know
how
that's
going
to
be
done,
but
I
assume
we
we
should
approve
something.
A
We'll
put
that
on
the
on
the
agenda.
U
Q
A
Well,
as
you
know,
that
I'll
be
going
to
greece
for
the
twin
ceremonies
for
the
three
sister
cities,
and
I
will
like
to
have
a
motion
to
be
excused
for
our
september
28th
and
october
12th
regular
session.
A
R
A
A
Yes-
and
I
also
like
to
express
my
condolences
to
the
pappas
family,
for
the
loss
of
jackie
pappas
and
joseph
pappas
for
jackie-
was
the
owner
of
the
famous
pepper's
restaurant
and
the
sponge
exchange.
I
grew
up
knowing
mr
pappas
for
many.
Many
years
actually
worked
for
him
while
I
was
going
to
high
school,
so
my
thoughts
and
prayers
goes
to
the
family
and
during
this
difficult
time
jackie
pappas
was
an
excellent
person.