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A
A
A
Okay,
this
is
our
second
formal
budget
hearing
workshop
and
as
usual
on
these
work
sessions.
There's
there
aren't
provisions
for
public
comments,
we're
going
to
be
starting
from
our
agenda
from
july
28th
in
terms
of
our
department
heads
first
and
there's
the
second
half
of
those.
Also
you
I'm
hoping
you
have
the
agenda
in
front
of
you.
A
I've
got
a
few
things,
I'd
like
to
say
towards
the
end
with
the
miscellaneous,
so
nothing,
nothing
specific,
but
just
some
general
items
so
right
now,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
city
manager,
of
course,
and
you
can
get
us
started.
Yes,.
D
F
Last
year
in
the
budget,
we've
been
looking
for
a
electronic
plan
review
program
and
we
went
ahead
and
purchased
that
last
year
and
implemented
that
so
contractors
are
now
able
to
submit
their
plans
electronically
and
we
can
review
them
and
pass
them
around
between
the
different
departments.
Planning
is
also
using
it
for
their
trc,
so
it's
getting
a
lot
of
use
and
it's
and
it's
working
really
well
so
far.
A
Thank
you,
mr
powell.
Last
time
when
we
purchased
that
we
talked
about
some
measure,
performance
or
effectiveness,
to
kind
of
a
measure
to
see
how
we're
doing
compared
to
how
we've
done
in
the
past-
and
I
think
there
was
some
discussion
that
the
vendor
for
that
software
was
had
a
way
or
some
ways
of
setting
up
the
software.
So
you
could
kind
of
extract
to
see
how
you're
doing
as
far
as
turnaround
times
remember
it
was.
A
The
whole
idea
was
that
we
certainly
will
support
you
and
purchase
the
software,
but
we'd
also
like
to
make
sure
that
it's
just
not
a
convenience,
but
actually
the
the
residents
are
getting
something
back
in
return
with
faster
turnaround
times
on
the
permitting
process
was,
has
any
of
that
information
been
created.
Yet.
F
Yeah,
there's
actually
a
a
bar
graph
on
the
program
when
we
open
it
up
and
we
can
see
how
long
plans
have
been
there.
F
Sometimes
we
go
through
periods
of
time
when
people
are
not
uploading
to
it,
it's
more
of
a
creating
the
the
habit
of
going
in
there
every
single
day
and
and
looking
at.
What's
in
there.
A
F
Once
we
get
in
there
and
and
we're
utilizing
it
we're
still
in
between
the
paper
and
the
the
program,
you
know
we
can
physically
see
the
paper,
so
we
get
panicked
sometimes,
but
you
see
all
the
paper
we
we've
got
to
remember,
to
go
in
and
look
in
the
queue
and
see
what
we
have
in
everybody's
work
assignment,
but
you're
satisfied.
F
Yeah
I
really
like
it
and-
and
I
believe
planning
is
liking
it
also
from
from
what
they're
saying
they
do
like
it.
Also,
okay.
G
Mayor
alon,
are
we
going
to
discuss
the
tree
bank
at
all.
G
E
F
That's
the
arborist
all
of
the
the
training
that
she's
got
to
go
through.
She
is
our
our
arborist
she's,
our
drone
person
she's,
there's
various
training
that
she
does
with
the.
G
Equipment
that
she
has
there's
conferences
that
she
goes
to,
okay,
it
just
it's
interesting.
It's
that
heavy.
F
G
F
G
Yeah
I
heard
I
I
heard
from
that
from
a
group
of
citizens
last
night
at
a
planning
event.
That
was
that
they
were
very
positive
about
it.
G
I
have
I'm
sorry
to
god
my
intention
really
isn't
to
go
through
line
by
line,
but
a
bunch
of
these
just
kind
of
caught.
My
eye
because,
like
I
don't
really
know
all
that
much
about
what
the
tree
bank
is
really
supposed
to
be
doing.
But
how
does
touch
a
truck
fall
under
the
the
tree
bank?
The
tree.
F
G
G
G
F
A
A
No
we
don't.
Okay,
that's!
Okay
out
there!
The
tree
bank
is
an
interesting
account
and
it's
worth
learning
as
much
I
mean
that's.
The
city's
future
is
planting,
trees
and,
and
all
those
this
doesn't
show
the
the
balance.
This
is
just
the
income
and
the
expenses
there's
a
balance
to
it
as
well
that
you
don't
see
in
these
budgets,
so
it
might
be
worth
for
some
of
you
that
are
interested
to
follow
up
with
that
individually.
So.
A
Okay,
that's
all
I
have.
D
Okay,
thank
you
kevin
next
up,
diane
wood
and
cultural
affairs
in
our
one,
two,
three
four
seven
departments.
D
B
Hello,
diane
wood,
I'm
here
to
answer
any
questions
and
I
have
carrie
to
answer
any
questions
from
the
library's
budget.
Thank
you.
A
G
One
of
the
questions
excuse
me,
I
don't.
I
need
to
catch
up
to
how
rapidly
this
a
little.
G
Yes,
I
have
a
couple
questions
in
general,
you
have
internet
connection
at
the
heritage
center.
Yes,.
B
B
Well,
the
internet
we
use
has
to
connect
us.
We
have
like
you
know
our
databases
that
we
have
shared
drives,
that
they
can.
We
all
share
the
same
share
drive.
You
know
for
all
of
cultural.
F
B
So
they
have
to
have
that
internet
connection
in
order
to
sell
the
tickets
as
well
as
you
know,
interact
with
all
of
our
files
and
things,
but
it's
not
a
hugely
sophisticated
system
at
our
you
know
other
locations,
but
we
have
to
have
an
access.
You
know
for
those
uh-huh.
B
Was
like
we
don't
drink
coffee,
no,
the
copier,
yes,
the
copier
charges,
you'll
see,
is
probably
they're,
probably
higher
for
my
department,
because
we
do
all
of
most
of
our
printing
is
in-house.
The
only
thing
that
we
print
outside
are
some
of
our
larger
posters
that
don't
fit
on
our
copiers
and
also
our
brochure.
That's
in
that
package
that
I
just
gave
you
this
evening.
All
of
our
programs
for
each
of
our
shows
are
done
in-house
on
our
copier
and
we've.
G
G
B
Most
of
the
copying
is
done
at
the
heritage
museum
because
that's
our
main
ticket
office,
and
so
most
of
them
are
done
there,
but
we
have
to
occasionally
print
receipts
for
for
people,
and
you
know:
we've
got
brochures
and
flyers
that
we
print
for
the
heritage,
museum,
the
cultural
center
and
everything,
but
so
the
copy
charges
are
not
going
to
be.
As
you
know,
much
in
those
other
locations,
it's
just
going
to
be
primarily
the
heritage,
museum.
B
B
B
No,
that
is,
sponsors
outside
sources
that
are
sponsoring
tarpon
arts.
That's.
G
B
Yes,
that's
something
that
I
instituted
when
I
took
over
as
director
just
to
supplement
our
grants,
because
so
I
go
out
to
large
companies,
and
I
ask
them
like,
for
instance,
you'll
see
that
evan
health
hospital
north
pinellas
has
sponsored
our
season
for
the
last
five
years
and
they
are
our
great
partners
and
then,
for
instance,
I
have
an
in-kind
sponsorship
at
hampton
and
where
we
house
our
our
artists
that
come
in
from
out
of
town
and
they
give
us
five
thousand
dollars
in
kind
so
that
you
know,
because
we
do
house
our
artists
there,
yeah.
G
D
More
so
than
most,
you
want
to
explain
your
thing
that
confuses
everybody
all
the
time
where
you
have
a
the
revenue
side
and
then
because
again,
you
know
how
I
you've
confused
me
many
times
but
well.
Yeah
anyway,.
G
F
A
G
A
B
B
So
those
are
all
kind
of
revenue
producing
and
we've
got.
You
know
different
accounts
for
those,
so
we
could
probably
be
probably
be
easy
to
just
print
you.
A
revenue
report
of
the
different.
D
F
Page
three
last
item:
sponsorship
donations.
Thirty
one
thousand.
G
D
H
So
is
there
like
a
a
key
to
his
symbols
here
that
he
knows
that
this
goes?
H
F
H
But
wouldn't
you
have
sponsorship
donations
and
have
it
to
whom
it
goes.
F
H
A
It
takes
me
a
while
to
mr
harry.
Let's
see
commissioner
carr.
E
B
Well,
we
like,
for
instance,
in
this
new
season
we
have
33,
shows
we
usually
budget
about
1500
for
each
show.
We
may
or
may
not
spend
that
depending
on
the
show,
but
we
have
a
great
relationship
with
the
tampa
bay
times
where
they
will
give
me.
You
know
the
the
print
advertising
is
very,
very
expensive,
and
so
we
get
a
great
deal
with
them
and
they
give
me
a
trade
deal.
So
it's
like
I
pay
for
one
ad.
They
give
me
one
free
and
that's
pretty
unheard
of
in
our
business.
B
So,
but
you
know
in
order
to
fill
the
seats
in
order
to
bring
in
the
revenue
that
we
need
for
the
shows,
we
need
to
advertise
and
print
advertising
for
our
particular
demographic.
They
still
like
print,
and
so
we
find
that
the
weekend
section
where
all
the
performing
arts
center
is
advertised
is
very
effective
for
us,
in
addition
to
social
media,
which
we
have
to
pay
for,
so
things
are
getting
more
and
more
expensive.
E
I
get
the
point
of
advertising.
I
just
was
curious.
I
mean
there's
not
many
people,
I'm
aware
of
that,
get
a
hard
copy
paper
anymore.
So
I
was
just
curious
about
how
that's
going
if
you,
if
you
put
like
a
survey
or
something
along
those
lines
like
how
did
you
hear
about
our
show.
B
Actually,
we
did
do
a
survey
in
january
and
I
can
send
you
the
results
of
that,
but
they
still
like
the
paper
weekend
section
for
some
reason.
You
know
they,
because
everything
is
there
everything
that
you
want
to
do
so
we
found
that
that
the
sales
go
up
after
that
comes
out
on
on
wednesdays.
B
Yes,
one
of
the
things
one
of
our
challenges
is
that-
and
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
on
we're
on
the
fence
about
that
we'd
have
to
talk
to
production
about
it
as
well.
But
you
know
we
don't
we.
When
we
book
a
show,
we
tell
them
that
we
won't
pre.
We
will
not
provide
any
backline.
B
Backline
is
all
the
instruments
that
the
performers
use,
and
so
when
they
come
in
for
a
show,
they
have
to
go
and
rent
their
back
line
instruments
or
else
they're
going
to
have
to
bring
their
own
so
a
lot
of
them
coming
from
new
york
and
out
of
state.
You
know
they
can't
bring
a
lot
of
things.
The
drum
kit
would
help
if
we
had
one
here
because
of
course
that's
the
hardest
to
you
know
transport
and
everything.
So
we.
B
That's
something
that
we
would
like
to
add
at
some
point
just
because
it
would
cut
down
some
of
the
costs
that
you
know
the
artists
have
to
bear
and
they
would
give
us
a
better
deal.
You
know
for
sure.
E
B
Are
in
the
black,
we
are
doing
really
well
really
well
and
of
course,
we
had
even
this
season
we're
ending
up.
You
know
very
on
a
very
good
note
and
we
also
had
to
cancel
a
couple
of
our
shows
because
of
kovid.
B
So
I'm
very
pleased
with
that
and
the
new
season,
you
know
what
we're
doing
is
we're
being
leaner
and
meaner,
so
to
speak.
Is
that
we're
not
doing
as
many
shows,
but
we're
doing
them
a
lot
more
cost
effectively
sure,
and
so
our
chances
for
increasing
our
revenue
are
very
good.
Great.
E
Now
mark
brought
up
something
along
the
lines
of
christopher
stills
having
some
type
of
additional
exhibit
at
the
heritage
museum
is
that
is
that
in
here,
or
is
that
that's
not
budgeted
right?
I
don't
think.
E
E
B
E
I've
got
no
further
questions.
Okay,
commissioner,.
I
Hey
diane,
I
just
want
to
ask
one
question:
regarding
the
library
budget:
it's
line.
66..
I
We
have
purchases
for
books,
ebooks
audio
books
for
107
000..
Can
you
explain?
Is
there
are
you
a
do
you
plan
on
buying
a
certain
variety
or
style
going
into
this
year?
As
you
know,
less
and
less
audiobook
or
more
and
more
audiobooks
are
coming
into
play
and
stuff
like
that?
Yes,.
C
Shifting
more
to
electronic
resources
to
ebooks
and
downloadables,
but
we
do
still
have
a
big
demand
for
our
print
resources,
so
that
is
included
as
well.
E
E
Another
question
mark
go
ahead:
dan
you're,
the
actual
art
public
art
fund,
falls
under
you
too
right.
Yes,.
B
E
Okay
did
did
we
get
projections
for
the
bigger
projects
that
are
going
on
in
town?
Did
that
end
ever
end
up
happening?
I
know
like
the
car
wash
and
the
different
things
that
are
supposed
to
be
putting
money
into
the
fund.
B
We
are
working
with
building
and
planning
and
zoning
to
keep
up
with.
You
know
things
that
are
coming.
You
know
down
the
line,
but
of
course
it's
always
a
moving
needle,
because
we're
not
sure
you
know
when
those
funds
are
going
to
come
in,
but
we
are
watching
it
very
closely
and
we
give
the
public
art
committee
a
report
every
month
with
any
kind
of
new
updates,
so
we're
just
we're
keeping
our
eye
on
that.
E
B
B
Is
it
under
me
yeah
like
in
what
way.
B
No,
the
gel,
you
mean
the
payment
that
the
city
makes
to
help.
No,
that's
not
under
my
budget,
okay,.
D
E
A
H
F
Work
in
uniforms
for
that
chew,
allowance
yeah,
mostly
shoe
allowances,
mostly
the
on-call
pay
for
one
supervisor,
50
bucks
a
week.
J
The
special
pay
covers
cell
phones,
on-call
pay,
things
like
that
in
that
on
that
order,
there's
also
doesn't
support.
They
get
shoe
allowances
every
year.
My
employees
do
those
are
working
cra
too,.
H
But
in
the
other
departments,
selpay
is
a
separate
item,
so
why
would
it
be
one
supervisor.
H
H
H
Question
is
that
on
another
in
another
department,
I
noticed
that
the
cell
phone
bill
was
nine
thousand
dollars,
don't
remember
which
department.
So
it
specifically
said
cell
phone
and
here
you're
saying
that
this
is
for
cell
phone,
the
specialist.
F
E
B
The
historic
markers,
the
stock
market
program,
that's
under
operating
supplies.
B
Okay,
well,
I'm
not
sure
what
you're
looking
at,
because
I'm.
E
H
H
B
Oh,
there
are.
B
B
H
B
Yeah
we've
also
rented
parking
lots
yeah.
So
we've
got
the
rental
of
the
parking
lots
behind
the
flagship
bank
building.
That's
12
000,
plus
that's
24
000
for
those
two.
So
I
think
one
of
those
is
included
in
here.
The
other
one
isn't
plus.
I
Hey
karen
the
answer,
the
question
was
answered
regarding
the
orthodox
parking
lot.
I
was
just
asking
line:
52
just
landscape
materials
for
ten
thousand
dollars.
B
B
A
I
I
the
the
one
thing
I
think
on
a
lot
of
this
stuff
that
supplies
and
things
like
that
with
the
money
that's
spent
is
actually
what's
needed
to
be
spent.
Sometimes
there's
money
left
over
in
the
end
of
course.
Sometimes
we
need
more
money,
but
that's
that's
for
we
deal
with
that
later
in
the
year.
So
it's
probably
a
good
way
to
hedge
a
little
bit,
especially
in
the
beautification
area.
We
need
it.
So
that's
all
I
have.
G
D
Thank
you
for
the
city,
clear
irene,
jacob
sent
you
an
email
that
she
wasn't
going
to
be
here
tonight.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
about
her
budget
feel
free
to
contact
her,
so
we'll
go
right
to
renee
in
planning
next.
A
Well,
we're
getting
ready
for
that.
I
do
would,
if
I
may
have
miss
vincent
kind
of
describe
some
of
the
new
fees
that
we
would
like
to
introduce,
that
they'll
be
seeing
yeah
and
that
may
wind
up
going
into
the
budget.
But
it's
also
something
that
will
be
done
as
part
of
a
ordinance
is
coming
up.
If
you
want
to
just
the
sort
of.
C
Expertise
that
you
need
so
yeah
so
there's
my
professional
services
budget
is
where
you're,
seeing
the
lion's
share
of
the
increase
for
planning
within
that
we've
got
a
50
000
earmark
for
that's
to
cover
our
engineer
of
record
storm
water
reviews,
our
plant
reviews
and
things
of
that
nature.
One
of
the
things
that
we're
coming
back
to
the
board
with
shortly
is
an
actual
fee
structure,
so
that
we
can
recoup
some
of
those
costs
from
developers
as
part
of
the
process.
C
D
Is
a
good
place
to
talk
about
because
they
do
have
we're
going
to
talk
about
later,
a
citizen
initiative,
but
we're
going
to
be
rolling
that
that
initiative
and
some
of
the
funding
into
a
planning
budget
item
in
that
same
area.
So
why
don't
we
talk
about
that
now?
Instead
of
waiting
to
get
to
there
talk
about
what
our
our
conversations
with
the
greek
town
group
with
and
where
we're
looking
at
and
that's
something
we
have
to
find
funding
for
and
still
get
in
there,
but
we're
going
to
work.
D
So
we
need
to
go
back
into
the
budget
and
go
back
into
places
and
even
though
we
didn't
get
the
grant,
I
don't
think
I
don't
believe
at
least
that
can
wait
another
year
to
wait
for
another
grant
to
come.
I
believe
we
need
to
move
because
it
goes
along
with
everything
we're
doing
comp
plan
strategic
plan.
It
all
works
in
and
you
know
we
tried
for
this
one.
I
don't
think
we
can
afford
to
wait
another
year
and
do
it
if
we
want
to
do
all
this
cohesively
and
move
forward.
C
So
I've
been
discussing,
I've
had
several
conversations
now
with
with
tina
buccavales
about
the
greek
town,
historic
area
and
what
we
can
do
to
ensure
the
long-term
preservation
of
that
area,
and
so,
whether
it's
through
historic,
district
or
conservative,
we're
really
thinking
like
a
conservation
district.
C
But
in
order
to
put
that
in
place,
we
need
to
do.
You
know
like
a
real
kind
of
place,
based
planning
initiative
for
that
entire
greek
town
area
to
to
help
us,
you
know,
decide
what
type
of
you
know:
overlay
or
conservation
district
that
we
want
to
put
in
place.
C
So
we're
we're
in
good
agreement
that
that,
where
we
need
to
go,
you
know
we
do
think
that
you
know
that
would
best
be
served
by
a
consultant
initiative
and
then
that
we
can
also
use
that
information
to
also
help
us
inform
an
overall
update
to
that
sponge,
docs
character
district
and
the
special
area
plan
and
those
place
based
objectives
in
the
special
area
plan
related
to
the
sponge
docs.
So
that's
one
thing
that
we'll
be
looking
looking
for
funding
to
do
and
working
with
that
group.
C
Oh
yes,
we
we
added
that
position
last
year
and
said
and
that
position
has
been
filled.
Yes,.
H
Okay,
what
professional
services
is
changed
because
you
have
here
an
addition
of
167
thousand
dollars.
C
That
was
everything
I
just
rolled
through,
so
we
had
65
budgeted,
2
65,
050
000
were
budgeted
on
the
as
up
front.
That
would
be.
Re
was
anticipated
to
be
reimbursed
by
grant
funding.
So
the
we
got
the
fifty
thousand
dollar
grant
for
the
historic
preservation
survey
for
union
academy.
We
did
not
get
the
grant
for
the
economic
development
assessment,
which
was
the
city
manager
was
just
talking
about,
so
one
of
those
is
fully
funded.
C
That's
something
that's
paid
for
that.
We
that
gets
contracted
out
through
our
engineer
of
records,
so
I'm
asking
for
a
separate
line
item
in
our
budget,
so
that
is
separate
and
distinct,
and
in
addition
to
that,
we
want
to
establish
a
fee
structure
for
applications
when
so
when
they
come
in.
Just
like
we
have
a
line
that
says:
okay,
you
have
to
pay
this
for
advertising.
C
C
H
H
Definition,
but
I'm
just
looking
at
a
extremely
large
increase,
so
yeah.
Thank
you
appreciate
it.
G
I
just
have
a
comment.
Actually
I
went
to
the
first
meeting
last
night
of
the
comprehensive
plan
review
thing
at
union
academy.
We
need
to
do
more
of
that.
I'm
offer
the
budget
for
for
that
it
was
one
of
the
best
meetings
I'd
ever
attended.
So.
C
C
J
A
G
G
There
seems
to
be
other
things
that
that
we
could
have
caught
earlier
and
without
getting
into
that
the
specifics
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I
just
want
to
do.
We
have
a
planned.
You
know
this
is
a
review
cycle
for
for
physical
plant
yeah.
J
J
Together
with
pr
or
the
project
department
over
bob
and
his
crew
over
here,
my
people
are
in
these
buildings
at
least
once
a
week.
So
we're
constantly
looking
at
different
things
in
the
building
we,
you
know
we
were
kind
of
planning
a
little
bit
further
down
the
road
on
those
chillers.
We
knew
they
were
going
to
come
somewhere
along
the
line
over
here
and
we're
having
issues
with
our
contractor
right
now,
a
little
bit
just
on
on
some
follow-ups
on
some
things.
J
Usually
we
get
a
report
every
year
through
our
some
of
our
contractors
like
the
air
conditioning
people,
they
give
us
a
report
on
air
conditioners
what
what
they
feel,
how
they
look
like.
I
also
take
my
air
conditioning
guy
colby
that
works
downstairs,
and
he
also
they
change
all
the
filters
out
they're
constantly
in
there
looking
at
things.
So
these
buildings
are
constantly
getting
looked
at.
Do
they
miss
things
on
occasions?
Well,
yeah
anyone's
ever
done
this
type
of
maintenance
on
occasion,
they're
going
to
miss
things,
but.
G
We
have
a
building
inspection
department
that
does
building
inspections,
and
I've
talked
with
quite
a
few
of
them
over
the
over
the
years,
and
they
seem
to
be
quite
good.
Would
it
would
it
behoove
us
to
get
somebody
like
that
within
your
department,
whose
sole
job
it
is
to
make
sure
that
the
physical
plan
of
the
city
is
up
to
maintenance
standards.
D
I
think
that's
another
one
that
they'll
talk
about
in
project
administration.
The
group
they've
put
together
of
our
staff
that
they
go
and
do
these
building
evaluations.
Yet
so,
when
nick's,
representing
bob
who's
on
vacation,
when
he
comes
up
next
and
stuff
I'll
have
him
do
a
whole
category
on
what
what
the
building
maintenance
plan
and.
A
A
G
Yeah,
it's
from
my
perspective.
It's
something
that
needs
to
be
done
on
a
repetitive,
structured
basis,
same
thing
for
the
streets,
some
of
the
streets
in
some
of
the
areas
of
towns
are
in
atrocious
disrepair.
G
I
mean,
if
you
drive
through
the
fruit
bowl
areas,
some
streets
are
are
looking
like,
they
haven't
been
touched
since
the
60s.
Do
we
have
somebody
that
actually
pays
attention
to
our
street
repair
stuff
and-
and
we
does
that
on
a.
J
J
D
J
And
then
anytime,
you're
reviewing
a
roadway.
Of
course
your
drivability
is
a
big
important
over
here,
but
then
you
have
to
see.
What's
on
the
roadway
lemon
street's
a
prime
example
a
number
of
years
ago
we
have
done
a
bunch
of
streets,
and
that
was
on
the
list.
Our
construction
list
that's
been
built
so
that
went
to
engineering
a
couple
years
ago.
They're
designing
that
now,
but
it's
not
just
filling
a
pothole
in
that
street.
Over
there
it's
going
to
be
storm
water.
G
Yeah
this,
I
know,
there's
understandably,
probably
more
than
one
thing
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
One
time
I
just
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
keep
like
a
master
list
of
yes
of
when
the
last
time
this
road
was
looked
at
yes,
I
mean,
for
example,
could
you
tell
me
when
the
last
time
I
don't
know,
lime
street
was
looked
at
between
banana
and
bayou.
J
We've
looked
at
lime.
Street
runs
from
the
bayou
all
the
way,
almost
all
the
way
up
and
it
actually
goes
ultra
19
there
yeah
we've
looked
at
number
times.
That's
another
project.
That's
going
to
need
sewer!
It's
going
to
need
water,
it's
going
to
use
storm
water,
it's
not
just
a
simple
paving
project.
We
fill
the
pot
holes
in
as
fast
as
we
can,
but
that
would
be
also
on
the
list
that
is,
that
is
on
that
list.
I
have
a.
J
G
Without
getting
into
the
specific
budget
figures,
how
big
of
a
budget
percentage
of
that
of
your
budget
to
look
at
these
these
sort
of
surface
and
and
physical
plant
maintenance
issues
on
a
yearly
basis,
because
I
know
we
do
capital
projects.
I
know
we
did.
27
million
in
capital
improvements
last
year
and
projects
seem
to
get
sort
of
settled
out
on
on
on
a
kind
of
a
priority
basis.
G
But
my
whole
focus
from
from
approaching
it
from
this
direction
is
the
fact
that
some
of
our
areas
of
our
cities
look
run
down,
and
I
don't
think,
there's
a
good
reason
for
that,
and
I
think
if
we
get
too
project
oriented
that
we
forget
about
the
little
guy,
we
forget
about
the
fruit
bowl
area,
because
lemon
street
needs
to
be
done.
We
forget
about
you,
know
the
reed
street
area,
because
orange
street
needs
to
be
re-bricked
and
I
think
we
need
to
pay
better
attention
to
the
to
the
whole
thing.
G
You
know
if
we
had
a
master
list
of
streets
when's
the
last
time
they
were
looked
at
what
condition
they're
at
and
that
was
reviewed
on
a
on
a
continual
basis,
as
as
staff
allowed
and
stuff
like
that.
That
would
go
a
long
way
to
maybe
percolating
up
just
a
general
maintenance
for.
J
The
city
we
we
do
look
at
this
every
year.
We
do
have
a
master
list
built
up
and
we
review
it
all
the
time,
the
same
thing
with
paving
because
it
can
change
for
a
number
of
reasons.
Maybe
it's
a
big
water
break,
or
maybe
a
sinkhole
or
something
it
changes
it
on
the
list
over
here,
but
we're
constantly
out
there
we're
reviewing
everything
we're
doing.
I
get
together
with
tony
my
supervisor
and
we
drive
the
streets.
Can
we.
D
G
G
A
Now
we're
talking
policy,
which
is
good,
yeah
yeah.
Before
we
leave
vice
mayor
lunch,
there
is
a
plan
that
mr
function
is
working
on
for
cleaning
and
stuff.
You
might
want
to
just
mention
that
now
and
that
would
be
helpful.
I
I
believe
yeah
again.
D
Pretty
much
what
we're
working
on
is,
and
it's
one
of
those
things
is
one
of
those
areas.
Why,
when
we
talked
about
positions,
the
do
public
work
position
why
they
were
put
in
there
to
do?
We've
we've
been
trying
to
start
it,
probably
for
the
last
four
or
five
months.
The
two
areas
we
identified
was
the
greek
town
area
and
the
union
academy
area,
and
you
know
the
fruit
bowl
era-
would
be
an
area
that
so
to
to
the
thought.
D
Is
that
ability
to
go
up
and
down
each
street
and
note
anything
whether
it's,
whether
it's
gutters,
whether
it's
grass
overgrown
whether
it's
road
and
and
go
through
in
the
old
days
in
the
city?
Probably
only
the
city,
man,
the
mayor
was
saying
man
remember,
we
call
them
blitz,
crews
and
stuff,
well,
not
a
repair,
but
they
would
go
through.
D
Look
and
identify
things
in
the
neighborhood
and
we'd
go
for
instance,
street
by
street
in
the
greek
town,
get
the
list
put
it
together
and
work
on
the
things
we
can
do
simply
and
kind
of
do
the
beautification
you're
talking
about,
and
then
we
remove.
The
different
areas
we've
identified
is
those
two
areas:
we've
got
a
fruit,
we've
got
this
area
around
the
city,
hall
area
and
all
these
streets
that
are
going
here.
D
That's
an
area
that
needs
to
be
looked
at,
so
we
just
haven't
with
the
manpower
you
know
been
able
to
to
start
that
yet
and
start
that
process.
Those
were
the
two
areas
we
were
gonna
start
on
to
work
on
and
and
hopefully
we're
we're
gonna
still
get
to
the
personnel
or
not
personnel.
We're
gonna
we're
gonna,
try
to
get
to
that
and
start
street
by
street
and
again
when
those
two
areas
are
done
and
identified,
and
a
plan
of
of
that
move,
probably
the
fruit
salads.
D
There
is
over
there
and
then
other
areas
of
town.
Those
are
the
four
we
identified
the
four
areas,
two
at
a
time,
those
two
and
and
the
two
sides
of
alternate
19.
Those
those
would
afford
that
we
were
going
to
start
that
process
of
a
street
by
street
complete
analysis
of
needs
to
to
whatever
needs
to
be
done,
whether
it's
roads
plants
grass
in
the
sidewalks
is
just
the
whole
analysis
and
a
plan
to
go
through
and
and
get
those
much
of
like.
You
talked
about
on.
G
G
300
last
year
or
this
year,
and
and
but
I
mean
still,
it's
we're
sitting
to
the
side
with
the
amount
of
incomplete
and
just
the
amount
of
incomplete
and
and
torn
up
or
or
not
not
in
great
shape.
Sidewalks
within
the
union
academy
area
would
easily
suck
that
up
for
the
next
two
or
three
years.
We
we
need
to
get
a
better
handle
on
this
guys.
D
When
is
this
where's,
the
new
sidewalk
analysis
coming
forward.
J
We
should
have
it
probably
the
next
couple
of
months
next,
probably
next
month
by
now,.
D
And
that'll
come
before
you
it'll
list
the
top
200
000,
but
we've
also
talked
about
within
the
budget
and
stuff.
We've
also
talked
about
maybe
having
money
to
go
further.
So
when
we
have
the
list,
it'll
be
it'll,
be
more
than
that
and
we'll
just
see
what
we
can
do
or
dedicate
some
money
from
somewhere
to
to
continue
on
with
more
of
them
and.
J
And
well
you're
right
now
we
usually
want
to
bring
the
listing
over
it's
much
more
than
what
what
it's
budgeted
for
and
there's
a
couple
of
reasons
for
that,
because
sometimes
you
get
the
sidewalks
and,
as
you
start,
a
project
on
the
sidewalk
there's
unforeseen
utilities
or
maybe
there's
a
construction
going
to
happen
on
a
project
over
here.
And
you
don't
want
people
to
bring
the
sidewalk
to
the
project.
So
it
gives
us
a
little
little
room
to
move
it,
but
yeah.
J
G
D
Budget,
it
is,
it
is
already,
but
the
200
000
is
already
budgeted
and
but
in
some
of
the
areas
of
budget,
where
you
see
where
we've
had
contingencies-
and
we
have
other
other
areas
and
stuff,
we
would
see
about
putting
some
more
money
towards
that.
When
we
see
the
list.
Yes,
I
think
the
one
year
we
did
230
thousand
just
because
there
was
30
000
from
the
main
list
and
we
found
it
in
another
area
found
in
another
one
of
his
areas
to
do
to
do
some
extra
stuff.
J
G
E
G
E
J
It
was
31
last
year
it's
up
to
almost
45.
Now,
with
the
price
increases,
so
45,
you
have
a
thousand
thousand
square
foot
little
feet.
Forty
five
thousand
before
you
add
in
driveways
a
curbing.
If
you
need
it,
we
need
to
do
you
know.
G
J
J
G
That
that's
another
subject
of
mine
is:
is
crosswalks
and
signage,
crosswalk,
signage
and
and
better
lighting.
There's
probably
many
areas
of
the
city
that
that
that
need
better
attention
and
some
have
been
getting
them,
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
I
think
the
union
academy
area
by
where
the
present
cops
and
kids
is
and
the
school
is
there
and
etc,
etc,
etc.
G
It
needs
it
like.
Last
week,
it's
it's
summer's
over.
The
kids
are
going
back
to
school.
The
cars
are,
I
was
there
just
yesterday
and
I
hung
around
for
a
while
just
to
watch.
What's
going
on,
the
cars
are
scary.
They
just
keep
plowing
through
there,
there's
kids
all
over
the
place
we
need
to.
We
need
to
really
step
this
up.
I'm
sorry!
Just
as
a
matter
of
policy
I
mean
I'm
sorry
for
the
diatribe.
G
G
No,
I
don't
thanks.
I've
had
enough,
commissioner
carr.
E
Yeah
thanks
just
to
give
you
a
little
more
insight
on
the
sidewalk
fund.
There
was
a
sidewalk
fund
that
had
about
two
million
dollars
in
it.
The
charter
committee.
You
sat
on
the
charter
committee.
A
E
At
the
time,
only
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
can
come
out
of
the
sidewalk
fund.
So
what
they
were
doing
before
is
before
the
penny
for
pinellas
came
on
some
boards.
Well,
before
we
were
on
the
board,
put
away
a
large
amount
of
money
and
they
would
use
the
interest
off
that
to
pay
for
sidewalks
and
roads,
and
it
was
end
up
being
like
30
thousand
dollars
a
year.
G
E
The
charter
came
up.
I
was
like
hey
guys.
We
really
need
to
make
a
proposal
to
try
to
get
rid
of
some
of
this
money,
since
we
have
a
penny
for
pinellas
and
other
ways
to
to
fund
some
of
these
other
projects
is
2
million
sitting
in
this
account.
Let's
get
this
added
there
to
start
using
so
the
charter
committee
at
this
time
decided
if
the
city
were
to
put
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
up
each
year,
it
could
match
it.
E
E
E
So
there's
there's
a
lot
going
on
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
aware
of
that.
Historically
too,
I
think
I
mean
when
I
grew
up
in
the
fishbowl
or
in
the
the
fruit
bowl
in
the
historic
district.
They
had
the
octagon
pieces
or
those
were
the
sidewalks,
and
so
it's
we've
come
a
long
ways
from
the
historic
area
from
what's
there
now
to
what
it
what
it
used
to
be
25
30
years
ago.
E
A
couple
things
I
do
want
to
bring
up
the
the
road
grand
view
drive
between
sun
sunshine
and
lake
view.
Yes,
I'm
sure
you're
well
aware
of
it.
E
You
guys
are,
I
drive
a
truck.
My
wife
drives
an
suv
and
we'll
drive
around
the
towns
and
it's
difficult,
and
I
would
I
would
advise
you
all
to
check
it
out
the
beautiful
road,
it's
nice
and
curvy.
It's
all
brick,
there's
a
media
in
the
middle,
but
it's
like
almost
impossible
to
drive
west
from
the
lake
up
the
hill.
Because
of
the
way
the
condition
is
so
I
would
think
that
should
be
a
priority
of
the
city
to
at
least
fix
that
patch,
not
the
whole
road.
I
know
it's
a
significant
cost
actually.
J
E
E
Okay,
there's
tom
there's
an
electronic
or
electric
services
of
375
thousand
dollars
or
360
000;
I'm
sorry,
376
thousand
dollars.
What's
pulling
all
that
electricity
for
the
street
lights,
the
street
lights,
okay
and
that's
at
least
through
duke
energy,
yes,
duplicator,
gs,
okay,
thank
you
and.
E
Too
right,
that's
a
big
difference.
Traffic
signal
we're
paying
the
county
sixty
thousand
dollars
is
that
just
to
run
the
traffic
lights
in
our
city,
maintenance
and
repairs
on
this?
Okay,
specifically
all
right,
I'm
totally
in
favor
of
adding
personnel
for
this
department
as
well
too.
I
think
it's
important
to
have
the
maintenance
like
mark
talked
about
a
city
manager,
there's
definitely
areas
if
it
comes
down
to
pressure
washing
sidewalks
and
having
a
dedicated
team
for
that
too,
and
setting
more
time
aside.
E
For
that
a
couple
other
items
solid
waste,
we
talked
about
the
admin
fee
being
reduced.
This
year
we
had
a
large
increase
in
the
the
collection
cost
we
ended
up.
I
spent.
J
E
Sorry,
coming
back
around
so
there's
there's
two
different
admin
fees.
There's
an
admin
fee,
I
believe
for
end
of
the
general
budget.
But
what's
the
admin
fee,
though,
that
you're
charging
the
residents?
Is
it
still
twenty
percent
this
year
so
mark?
We
talked
about
reducing
that
when
we're
going
through
the
contract
part,
because
the
contract
jumped
so
much
for
this
and
then
we're
going
to
see
large
jump
like
or
decent
jumps
throughout
the
contract.
D
E
F
Yeah,
currently
we're
at
the
20
percent
in
the
sanitation
fund
to
try
to
bring
it
down
to
bring
in
the
same
amount
of
revenues
that
cover
tom's
department,
his
personnel
and
stuff.
For
my
calculus,
you
could
bring
it
down
to
about
16
to
bring
in
the
same
money.
You
got
to
still
cover
those
his
other
expenses
in
in
the
department.
If
I
remember
right,
it's
only
like
a
savings
of
maybe
88
cents
per
person
on
their
on
their
utility
account
by
bringing
it
down
to
the
16.
F
E
That's
also
reserved
yes,
so
I
mean
we
have
reserves
all
over
the
place
if
it's
sidewalks,
if
it's
waste
water,
if
it's
sanitation,
I
mean
we,
I
think
we're
reserved
out,
but
I
appreciate
the
conservativeness
that
you're
taking.
D
But
I
made
sure
he
studied
that,
because
if,
if
it's
the
majority
of
the
boards
wishes
to
go
down
to
that
that
number,
then
that
would
be
something
you
would
tell
us,
and
we
do
it
before.
You
know
before
the
final.
Oh,
really
remember
the
budget's
continued
we're
talking
about
all
this
stuff.
We're
doing
have
to
get
done.
The
budget
is
fluid.
You
as
a
board
can
make
changes,
move
things
and
stuff
throughout
the
whole
year.
But
that
is
something
that
you
know
somebody
wishes
and
gets
the
backing
to.
D
I
made
sure
we
had
to
research
that
to
say
where
we
could
lower
that
to
and
not
lose
any
more
ron.
You
know
very
conservative
and
worries
a
lot,
but
that
would
be
your
decision
if
we
wanted
to
reduce
that
to
there
and
and
that's
the
number
he
came
to
that
you
know
would
be
the
that
wouldn't
start
really
hurting
afterwards
going
down
lower.
E
Is
it
88
cents
a
month
or
88
cents
a
year
per
month
per
month?
Okay,
so
it
comes
about
10
dollars,
so
the
the
cost
went
up.
What
60
is
a
homeowner
a
year?
I
think
it
is
something
along
those
lines
around
there
yeah.
So
if
it's
ten
dollars
reduction,
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
still
a
nice
pull.
It
helps
pull
it
back
a
little
bit
so
I'll
totally
be
in
support
of
that.
E
J
We
like
to
do
it
again
this
year.
Yes,
sir
you're.
E
E
J
E
D
E
E
J
J
E
Think
we
talked
about
that
right.
Mark
going
back
to
stormwater
it's
to
be
determined,
512
000!
Is
that
just
going
to
go
off
to
the
stormwater
plan?
Is
that
the
plan
for
that
one?
Yes,
okay,
there's
a
transfer,
156
000,
I'm
assuming
ron!
That's
the
admin
fee
that
you're
charging
the
storm
water
for
hr
services,
finance
services,
correct.
E
Okay,
I
don't
agree
with
that,
but
that
just
seems
to
be
something
that
we're
gonna
stick
with
professional
services,
tom
there's
something
that
talks
about
professional
services
of
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Can
you
just
touch
base
on
that?
For
me.
J
Sure
that's
the
engineering
services
we
utilize
for
stormwater,
our
design
engineer,
you've
met
many
times
works
with
our
sap.
That's
exactly
what
renee
was
talking
about
earlier,
where
we're
actually
using
some
of
his
services
to
cover
some
of
the
planning
which
she
wants
to
recover
some
of
that
money.
So,
hopefully
they'll
we'll
be
able
to
reign
in
some
of
those
costs,
but.
E
It's
not
for
it's
not
for
individual
homeowners
or
residents
or
businesses.
It's
all
city
stuff,
like.
J
E
J
E
E
A
E
Yeah
I
mean
I
I'll
just
say
one
more
time.
I
think
you've
done
a
good
job
with
the
sidewalk
fund
and
the
amount
of
sidewalks
I've
done
the
past
few
years.
I
am
in
support
of
commissioner
vice
maryland,
though
I'm
for
sidewalks,
especially
around
our
schools,
there's
plenty
of
areas
and
there's
also
areas
around.
I
didn't
touch
about
this
actually
around
our
schools,
there's
a
lot
of
county
roads
and
it's
important
that
we
work
with
the
county
still
to
push
push
them
for
that.
E
They've
done
a
lot,
but
there's
still
a
lot
more
to
be
done
and
then
the
other
issue
we're
lacking
in
our
city,
is
bike
lanes
and
if
there's
any
projects
that
we're
doing,
I
know
lemon
street
would
be
a
terrible
example
because
there's
not
really
any
with
anywhere
to
go
and
we
have
a
lot
of
narrow
roads,
but
there's
any
opportunity
to
put
a
bike
lane
on
any
road
that
we're
resurfacing
or
anything
along.
Those
lines
like
we've
got
to
take
advantage
of
that
because
it's
a
huge
safety
issue
on
our
narrow
roads.
A
Yeah,
let
me
let's
finish
up
commissioner.
H
Thank
you
mayor.
I
just
wanted
to
start
off.
I
had
gotten
a
a
email
from
somebody
on
jasmine
and
east
lime,
lemon
boy
or
highland,
and
I
passed
it
on
to
the
city
manager.
H
When
we
do
a
restoration
or
like
a
sewer,
so
work,
do
we
not
cover
the
entire
area
and
not
make
it
into
patchwork?
I
understand
if
it's
just
a
small
break,
but
if
you're
replacing
a
whole
sewer
line-
and
I
did
have-
I
did
copy
in
the
city
manager-
it
kind
of
looks
like
a
patchwork.
H
The
person
sent
me
a
lot
of
these
type
pictures.
So
I'm
just
curious.
Do
we,
you
know,
leave
it
in
just
like
one
side
of
the
street
looks
brand
new
and
the
other
side
of
the
the
roadway
looks
just
poor
or
could
that
have
been?
You
know
just
evenly
done
with
a
light
thin
coat
and
making
it
look
all
new.
J
D
What
what
he's
talking
about
is
is
the
2010-12
project
on
the
other
side
of
us19,
where
we
did
the
whole
side
and
just
the
one
after
that
project's
administration.
You
know
it's
called
by
attention.
The
citizen
thing,
the
citizens
initiative.
I
got
with
bob
in
project
administration
that
was
stopped,
probably
in
15
or
six
that
we
stopped.
If
we
ever.
If
we
do
a
project,
we'll
always
do
the
whole
road
and
obviously
it's
on
the
kind
of
notes
and
lists
that
someday.
D
We
need
to
see
if
there's
a
surf
and
something
to
do,
but
that's
the
project
we
ran
remember.
We
ran
low
of
money
on
for
for
the
sewer
lines,
converting
the
the
septic
to
sewer,
and
we
only
had
it
was
a
good.
It
was
a
good
road.
It
was
a
good
road,
so
the
half
and
it's
old
is
was
a
good
road
and
the
other
side.
But
you
know
we
just
it
looks
like
a
patchwork
happening.
Half
street.
D
J
Riverside
driver
did
that
a
couple
of
years.
Yes,.
D
H
Just
a
comment:
I
mean
it's
okay,
but
every
place
where
it's
up
against
the
driveways.
It
tends
to
fall
apart
because
that's
where
its
weakest
link
is
so
in
the
middle
of
the
road,
it's
fine,
but
on
the
edges
it
gets
a
little
shaky.
How
do
you
monitor
the
at
the?
Oh,
my
goodness,
this
just
went
blank
where,
where
we
bring
back
the
the
refuge,
you.
H
A
J
Sure,
there's
actually
a
set
of
guidelines.
We
utilize
we've
utilized
it
for
years
during
hurricane
seasons.
Of
course,
this
is
only
temporary
why
the
new
scale
house
is
going
in,
but
a
certain
size
truck
has
you
know
like
a
pickup
truck
over
here?
It's
usually
a
base
base
price
unless
they're
overloaded
a
little
bit
and
the
guys
have
a
set
of
guidelines
that
they
follow
on
that.
H
J
Look
good
to
me:
those
are
all
receipts.
There
are
receipts
for
that
over
all
the
charges
of
course
come
in
over
here
they
print
the
receipts
up.
You
know
the
driver
doesn't
want
a
reci
receipt,
they
print
up
inside
over
here
and
we
monitor
we
go
over.
We
check
on
occasions
I
go
there
myself.
I
send
brandon
my
supervisor
over
there
check
on
it.
So.
H
J
And
again,
this
is
a
temporary
situation.
I
I
do
trust
my
people
deeply,
but
we
do
we
do
follow
up
on
them.
We
do
out
there
and
sometimes
I've
had
up
people.
I
know
that
contractors
go
in
there
and
99
percent
of
the
people
are
very
pleased
to
help
me
handle
it
and
actually,
when
we
do
these
estimated
loads
and
we
always
keep
it
down
a
little
bit
more
than
what
what
what
the
guidelines
are.
So
it's
supposed
to
be
a
25
load.
The
guys
are
probably
charging
just
twenty
dollars
onto
it.
H
Right
but
it's
been
a
guessing
game
and
I
know
you
had
good
feedback
I'll,
be
honest
to
tell
you
that
I've
had
two
contractors
come
up
and
they
know
I'm
a
city,
commissioner,
and
they
said
that
they
felt
that
they
were
on
the
high
side
or
the
guests,
so
it
just
it
depends
who
you're
talking
to,
but
I
don't
want
to
stay
on
that
all
of
your
areas
seem
to
be
higher
than
so.
H
I
don't
know
I
don't
want
to
go
line
by
line
with
you
because
we'll
be
here
all
night
and
somebody
will
go
to
shoot
me.
But
honestly,
is
there
anything
I?
I
know
that
when
we
put
together
a
budget
like
this
right,
it's
it's
very
common
for
people
to
not
try
to
cut
costs
but
to
to
look
into
the
future
I'll
use
those
words.
H
D
H
Know
I'm
sorry,
I
I
know
that
we
we
had
a
new
contract
for
the
solid
waste.
Yes,
that
per
se
went
up
900
000.
J
A
J
H
All
I'm
going
to
say
the
other
thing
is:
what
do
we
charge
at
the
marina
to
bring
a
boat
in.
J
It's
it's
by
the
foot.
I
know
there's
a
I
think
on.
If
you
talk
about
transient
for
the
day,
it's
20
an
hour,
I
think
on
the
it's
20
an
hour
if
someone
comes
in
for
for
the
day,
there's
a
day
fee
depending
on
what
slip
they're
in,
I
don't
think
exact
number
right
in
front
of
me,
but
it's
fairly
inexpensive.
It's
it's
not
overly
expensive
and
I
believe
I'm
not
mistaken.
F
H
Well,
I
I'm
asking
this
question
because
I
go
by
there
all
the
time
and
I
see
there's
very
few
boats
in
there
it
looks
beautiful.
We
spent
a
lot
of
money.
I
just
don't
know
if
anybody's
using
it
or
are
we
too
high
priced?
Are
we
do
people
not
know
this
experience.
J
Well,
we
actually
have
a
waiting
list.
There
there's
a
lot
of
the
boats
that
go
out
for
long
term.
There's
many
people
that
hope
both
here.
They
they
rent
that
slip
and
they
don't
use
it,
and
sometimes
we
are
allowed
to
use
those
as
transients
if
our
other
regular
transits
are
moved
in,
but
now
there's
a
waiting
list
on
there
about
15
people.
I
think
right
now.
G
Can
I
interject
here
while
we're
on
the
marina,
please
feel
free,
I'm
sorry,
but
one
of
the
things
that
this
town
is
lacking
is
transient
slips
for
the
locals,
not
transient
slips
if
I'm
visiting
tarpon
springs
and
I'm
going
to
the
marina
but
transient.
If
somebody
wants
to
stop
at
the
docks
and
have
lunch
and
they're
only
there
for
an
hour
or
two
or
three.
G
So
I
want
you
to
think
about
this.
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
possible
or
not,
we
have
streets
that
run
into
a
sea
wall
that
border
the
river
any
of
those
streets
easily.
Has
the
capacity
to
take
a
couple
of
transient
slips
in
there.
It
wouldn't
take
much
you
just
have
to
put
the
pilings
in
there
make
sure
that
everything's
safe,
you
can
put
signage
there.
G
That
says
you
know
not
supposed
to
be
here
longer
than
four
hours
or
whatever,
but
make
the
transient
slips
transient,
not
transient,
meaning
you
know,
I'm
renting
it
for
14
days
or
for
three
days
or
whatever,
it's
just
it's
impossible
for
us
locals.
Unless
we
pull
up
to
a
specific
restaurant,
which
I
or
two
which
I
won't
mention
to
just
basically
park
our
boat
there
and
get
lunch,
it's.
J
J
That,
but
you
talk
about
the
two
areas
hope
street
is
one
and
and
roosevelt
the
other
one
with
a
dead
end
over
here
we
looked
at
that
at
one
time.
The
issue
is
that
the
other
boats,
alongside
of
it
and
they
need
that
area
for
them
to
to
to
move
their
boats
in
and
out.
So
if
we
take
either
one
of
those
places
and
put
a
boat
dock
in
there,
it's
going
to
affect
the
the
charter
boats
there.
It's
also
going
to
affect
foods
up
over
there
on
roosevelt.
D
But
how
many
slips
do
we
have
the
transit
type
at
the
at
the
marina
right
now,
when
there's
not,
I
know
you
do
when
some
people
are
gonna,
say
they're
gonna
be
gone
a
month
or
two
you
use
it,
but
how
many
we
have
six.
That.
H
So
let
me
just
I
won't
be
long.
Is
there
any
following
up
on
on
what
vice
mayor
just
said?
Did
you
think
of
it
all
and
and
there's
just
thrown
it
out
there,
to
put
something
like
that,
a
larger
transient
dock,
at
least
in
one
of
the
areas,
because,
as
he
said,
there's
no
place
along
there
for
anybody
to
stop
and
leave
the
boat.
We
have.
We
have
parking
issues,
but
we
also
have
boat
issues
as
well.
J
When
we
we
did
the
marina.
Actually
we
looked
about
possibly
doing
something
at
the
marina
over
here,
but
there's
there's
some
land
leases
in
the
water
white
and
they
also
start
going
out
into
the
channel.
So
it
wasn't
possible
to
do
with
the
marina.
J
I
know
we
did
look
at
the
ones
at
the
end
of
hope
street
in
roosevelt
and
then
the
first
thing
we
heard
about
was
the
boat
orders
alongside
saying
well,
I
got
to
bring
my
my
my
boat
in
here
for
my
customers
over
here.
If
you
put
up
another
boat
there
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
maneuver
through
the
river
there.
A
A
There
my
uncle's
had
a
marine
ways.
I've
had
big
chunks
of
boat,
you
know
you,
I
know
you
talked
about
your
gashes,
but
I've
had
big
chunks
of
my
gunnel
taken
off
and
just
forget
about
trying
to
get
anybody
to
pay
for
all
right.
So
anyway,
I
mean
what
I'm
getting
at.
Is
that
you're
right
in
asking
about
it?
A
It's
a
culture
down
there
that
sometimes
is
an
obstacle
to
some
of
these
more
idealistic
things
that,
for
example,
you
might
have
a
clearwater
municipal,
marina
that
sort
of
thing
they
have
that
plenty
of
parking
and
docking
and
stuff.
Here
you
may
see
a
nice
place,
pull
up
there
and
next
thing.
You
know
your
little
boat's
got
a
40-foot
shrimp
boat
tied
up
on
the
outside
of
it,
and
that's
the
guy's
got
to
go
unload
his
catch
and
then
get
underway
again,
and
so
that's
just
the
way
it
is
down
there.
A
And
specifically,
we're
talking
about
the
end
of
dota
ganes,
the
end
of
roosevelt
athens
street
and
on
the
cave
and
hope
street's
got
the
tour
boat
there.
That
has
pontoon
boats
got
a
challenge
in
in
navigating
in
heavy
currents
and,
of
course
the
two
georges
is
there
and
that
boat
actually
extends
out
into
that
area.
That.
A
A
I
I
think
you
know
from
what
mr
function
is
saying.
Maybe
we
should
develop
the
marina
a
little
bit
more
on
that.
I
think
he
says.
There's
opportunity
is
that
right.
J
A
H
H
I
just
I
I
overall,
I
don't
want
to
keep
at
this,
but
there
are
certain
things
in
here
that
I've
highlighted
that
I'd
like
to
see.
If
you
can
sharpen
that
pencil
a
little
bit
as
you're
saying
no,
I'm
saying
yes,.
H
Even
even
on
the
vehicle
maintenance,
you
know
that
I
know
you're
going
to
tell
me
it's
expensive,
but.
G
J
6
16,
I
think
right
now,
playgrounds,
you're
talking
about
with
apoca
parks
and
all
it's
actually
on
our
website.
Why?
I
can't
think
of
it
off
top
my
head,
I
apologize,
I
think,
you're
close
to
the
number.
I
think
it's
16
yes,
16.
J
yeah,
there's
a
lot
of
pocket
parks
that
that
you
know
like
mini
oakley,
village
and
and
places
like
that
that
have
small
parks
that
we
maintain.
Yes,
sir.
G
G
G
A
J
H
I'm
fine,
okay,
commissioner
heisman!
I
have
one
more,
I
don't
know
the
name
of
the
park,
but
there's
a
park
on
the
east
side
and
it
it
seems
like
it's
almost
desolate
island.
J
There's
some
trails:
we've
been
I've,
been
working
with
the
parks
in
rec
board
too,
on
that
we
looked
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
Enhancing
that
park
and
getting
some
feedback
from
the
residents
that
live
up
there
and
and
the
feedback
been
to
the
park
was
that
the
residents
don't
want
an
open
park,
but
the
backyards
opened
up
and
stuff
like
that.
So
we
had
cut
some
trails
through
there,
so
people
can
at
least
walk
it.
J
We
put
some
chips
down:
wood
chips,
we've
gotten
over
here
and
the
very
little
use
it
gets
we're
constantly
back
over.
There
trimming
the
trails
up
again
and
again,
but
it
doesn't
get
a
lot
of
use.
The
playground
does
believe
it
or
not.
There's
a
great
little
playground
there
and
you
go
up
there
during
the
daytime.
You'll
see
a
lot
of
neighborhood
kids
and
parents
up
there,
but
it's
it
doesn't
get
as
much
use
as
I'd
like
to
see
get
used.
That's
for
sure.
J
Consensus
says
they
don't
want
it.
There
was
a
talk
at
one
time
of
actually
opening
trails
along
the
back
side
of
the
fencing
along
the
homes
and
the
homeowners
were
not
too
too
happy
about
that.
So
we
actually
had
a
couple
of
meetings
up
there
with
the
with
the
parker
x
board
and
the
homeowners
up
there,
like
kind
of
like
the
way
it
is
it's
kind
of
it's
quiet.
They
want
the
dogs
in
there.
J
D
Talked
about
fitness
trails
along
there
and
that
wasn't
exactly
popular,
mainly
that's
a
part
with
the
res.
I
mean
the
streets.
If
you
know
the
streets
and
houses
along
there,
that's
a
great
there's,
a
lot
of
people
and
houses
that
that
would
service,
but
we're
still
we're
still
working
with
the
parks
and
direct
board
to
do
some
things
out
there.
There.
J
E
A
I
E
E
You've
been
down
to
the
end,
so
richard
yeah,
it's
a
great
dock.
It's
a
beautiful
park.
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
the
dock
is
beautiful
between
the
the
the
playground
and
the
dock
is
like
walking
through
a
desert.
I
know
the
residents
don't
want
any
of
the
the
trees
trimmed
off
because
they
enjoy
the
privacy
that
they
have
from
the
trees
along
the
boundaries,
but
there's
still
some
opportunities.
I
think
commissioner
eisener
brought
up
that
there
is
some
opportunities
to
to
uplift
it
a
little
bit
more.
E
D
And
again,
we're
involving
our
park
recreation
board
in
some
of
this
also.
J
I
I
Okay
and
then
I'm
gonna
go
to
page
81
and
I'm
just
going
to
talk
about
the
the
christmas
decorations
we
have
56
000
set
aside
this
year.
D
J
Yeah
that
we
will
put
last
year-
I
think
I
put
I
had
a
tree
up
there
last
year
and
that
will
be
followed
up,
we'll
follow
up
pretty
much
what
we
did
this
past
year.
Okay,.
D
J
I
Page
94.,
I
saw
that
just
wanted
to
ask:
do
we
do
we
have
any
money
set
to
the
side
for
additional
water,
fountains
and
parks,
and
no.
J
I
D
Ones
with
the
water
bottles,
the
new
modern
ones,
the
for
the
water
bottles-
and
I
don't
know
what
you
call
them,
but
I
I.
I
And
we've
we've
brought
up
sidewalks
and
there's
just
and
usu
a
lot
of
the
sidewalks
I'm
referring
to
are
in
the
cra.
So
I
don't
know
how
it's
budgeted,
but
I'm
just
hoping
in
the
future.
There
could
be
a
way
to
address
some
of
the
worn,
color
and
dull
bricks.
I
C
I
I
I
J
D
D
Talking
about
the
playground
equipment,
it's
up
on
the
rotation
to
come
up.
I
think
we
had
talked
that
we
had
talked
about
maybe
doing
trying
to
move
that
up,
move
that
up
a
little
bit.
I
think
it's
not
this
one
we're
doing
now.
It's
the
next
budget,
we're
doing
we're
slated
for
the
replacement
of
the
that's
right.
We've
got
them
on
a
rotation.
I
forget
what
was
the
last
playground
we
did.
The
upgrade
was
a
sunset.
J
F
D
Last
but
not
least,
later
on
nick
mackris,
ably
replacing
bob
roberson
and
again
we're
gonna
get
into
we're
gonna
get
into
the
projects
portion
and
stuff,
but
so
this
would
be
more
his
of
the
budgets
of
a
lot
of
the
other
things
besides
the
projects
so
he's
available
for
questions
on
the
other
areas
of
the
budget
and
again
we'll
be
going
into
some
of
that
next.
In
the
next
item.
B
A
Does
anyone
want
to
start
off?
I
there's
some
commissioners.
Would
you
like
to
start
this
one
off
commission
vice
mayor
lund,
commissioner
eisner,
do
you
have
anything?
I
need
a
few
minutes.
H
E
E
F
H
Did
we
pick
somebody
up?
Is
there
additional
people?
That's
my
question
because
I
just
see
that
I
haven't
generally
circled
that
I
looked
at
this
and
it
seemed
like
it
was
a
little
bit
more
than
it
was
like
twenty
thousand
dollars
more.
G
F
I
think
there
actually
is
is
the
intention
to
possibly
consider
a
an
additional
team
member
in
project
administration,
a
grant
support,
specialist.
D
F
Yeah
well,
it
looks
like
most
of
the
that
page
287
is
mostly
ten
thousand
dollars
of
personnel
and
that's
just
a
pay
increase
being
budgeted
and
the
health
insurance
increase.
We
got
budgeted
and
then
I
think
I
know
bob
wanted
to
get
back
into
doing
some
training.
So
there's
an
additional
six
thousand
for
training
for
the
staff
that
they
won't
be
able
to
do
to
kova.
They
weren't
able
to
do
the
last
couple
years.
F
F
All
three
of
us
in
project
admin
use
surf
microsoft,
surface
pros,
I'm
using
the
same
one
I
started
with
about
five
years
ago.
So
the
battery
is
is
beyond
you
know
the
warranty.
So
it's
just
the
replacements.
I
A
The
replacement
replacement
replacement
of
those-
if
I'm
not,
maybe
I
just
want
to
make
a
statement.
It
sounds
like
this
is
what
we
had
with
ms
linton,
the
other
night,
but
we
approved
that
contract
and
she's
got
a
bunch
of
computers
she
that
money
for
that
contract.
I
don't
think
comes
out
of
I.t.
I
think
it's
for
these
sort
of
things.
It's
for
each
individual
department.
D
F
A
F
J
I
D
I'll
start
on
the
first
one
again
and
when
we
put
these
things
together,
they're
models
for
you,
obviously
you're
the
ones
in
charge
of
of
moving
out
and
moving
in,
but
we
took
everything
we
heard
and
from
a
staff
aspect.
D
We
put
it
together
on
a
new
form
of
document
and
that's
what
you're
looking
at
tonight
we'll
be
listening
to
all
of
these
on
your
input
tonight,
and
then
we
will
revise
these
into
to
a
forum
where,
in
the
third
meeting,
we're
getting
close
to
some
resolution,
the
first
one
we
want
to
talk
about
is
the
first
one
you
have
on
here.
The
arp
approved
fundings.
D
This
we
took
everything
and
what
we
heard
and
we've
actually
put
the
projects
and
slot
again
slot
them
in
places.
Talk
talk
a
little
bit
around
about
how
you
did
this
chart,
how
you
slot
it,
and
if
you
see
right
now
and
again,
there's
a
lot
of
movement
could
be
in
this
thing
right
now.
All
these
projects
that
are
arpa
funded
in
the
green,
as
you
see
below,
were
12
000
off
and
interest
would
cover
that
12.
D
Just
tell
a
little
about
the
categories
and
how
we
slotted
all
these
items
that
were
on
the
arpa
list
and
slotted
them
so
for
the
most
part,
there's
a
concept
of
funding
now
and
funding
in
the
future.
F
Well,
what
we
mostly
did,
the
the
original
arpa
report
you
had
had
a
mix
of
projects
here.
What
we
put
on
the
on
the
top
part
is
the
approved
projects
that
have
been
approved
by
the
board
so
far:
the
city-wide
marketing
tourism
and
the
mental
health
for
public
safety,
the
public
safety
roof
chiller
base
shore
septic
to
sewer
and
south
spring
title
funding.
Those
are
the
total
approved
arpa
projects
about
2.7
million.
F
Then
we
below
we
have
the
proposed
ones,
a
lot
of
the
ones
some
of
the
ones
that
were
on
here
before
that
were
grant
funded.
We
already
got
funding,
we
moved
to
the
second
sheet,
so
then
we
categorized
these
ones
under
the
proposed
arpa
project
by
general
government,
public
safety,
water
sewer,
storm
water
resiliency,
and
we
added
the
hospital
on
here,
because
that
seemed
to
be
one
that
everybody
was
talking
about.
So
we
added
a
hospital
on
here
for
a
million
dollars,
public
safety.
F
We
got
the
the
fire
station
design
and
construction,
the
new
cops
and
kids
youth
center
and
under
water
and
sewer
we
got
the
cyber
security
for
water
and
sewer
potable
water
line,
replacement,
beckett
bridge
construction
for
the
pipes,
storm
water,
the
sponge
stocks
pump
station
drainage
and
in
resiliency
we
got
the
craig
park
seawall
for
the
total
proposed
arpa
projects
of
under
the
arpa
column
in
the
green
at
10
million
80
0278..
F
So
when
you
add
up
the
approved
projects,
the
2
million
702
million
740
2045,
plus
a
10
million
eighty
thousand
two
seven
eight-
it
gives
you
total
approved
projects
and
total
approved
proposed.
Arpa
project
is
twelve
million.
Eight
hundred
twenty
two
thousand
seven
sixty
three
and
then
below
that
we
have
arpa
funding
of
twelve
million
eight
hundred
and
ten
thousand
three
thirty
four
we're
short
a
little
bit
by
twelve
thousand
four
twenty
nine.
F
F
Other
there's
a
column
next
to
it,
which
tries
to
explain
that
other
funding
where
it's
coming
from,
like
across
from
the
fire
station
construction
we've
got:
1
million,
370
000,
that's
split
between
the
cell
tower
money,
720
000
and
a
county
reimbursement
for
the
fire
station
of
approximately
650
000.,
and
that's
the
first
page.
Did
you
let
me
go
on
the
second
page.
Yes,
go
to.
A
Question
as
far
as
your
page
goes
on
your
I
asked
this
before,
and
I
want
to
be
reminded
on
the
penny:
columns
penny
22,
23
24
we
got
about
2.7
million.
Is
that
correct
each
year.
F
I
F
Well,
there
we
go
the
second
page,
which
is
you
know,
so
some
of
the
projects
from
the
first
page,
but
also
I'll
just
start
at
the
top.
We've
got
the
citizen
initiatives
that
have
been
brought
forward:
the
greek
town
preservation,
60
000.,
pickleball
courts,
100
000,
the
500
east
oakwood
of
475
000;
those
total
635
000
funding
to
be
determined
on
those
land
purchases,
ross
property,
700,
000,
cocoors
park,
300,
000,
land
purchases,
stamis
property,
3.2
million,
those
total
4.2
million
and,
as
we
say,.
D
Just
a
reminder
on
those
those
are
mostly
estimates
we're
waiting
on
some
of
the
we're
waiting
on
some
of
the
appraisals
to
come
back,
and
although
the
appraisal
for
the
damas
property
is
3.2
million,
the
amount
of
the
property
we're
going
to
purchase
is
still
open
for
discussion.
So
it
could
be
a
lesser
amount
depending
on
the
negotiation.
D
So
that's
the
only
reason
we
put
the
3-2
is
that's
what
the
appraisal
came
back,
but
that's
not
necessarily
what
the
final
negotiation
will
be
on
that
property,
but
we're
listening
just
again
to
show
you
that
there
are
some
other
sources
where
we
may
need
some
money
for
that.
We
have
to
think
in
this
whole
process
of
slotting
and
slotting
out
and
figuring
out
where
we're
paying
for
different
things.
G
Where
that's
coming
appraisal
was
was
best
use.
What
was
did
they
consider
the
best
use
of
that
property?
I
mean,
I
know,
that's
how
they
do
their
valuation,
but
did
he
give?
This
is
the
best
juice
and
it
obviously
wasn't
some
place
to
dump
a
bunch
of
dredge,
but
but
what
was
it?
Because
it's
I
mean.
A
Oh
no,
it's
yeah.
I
know
this
is
highest
and
best
use
and
the
county's
numbers
are
okay,
but
I
think
the
county
property
appraiser
is
giving
the
world
a
break
right
now
as
compared
to
what
property
values
are
really
like
under
and
the
mai
appraisals
are
real
world
appraisal.
It's
not
tied
to
anything
the
county,
prison
yeah,
I'm.
F
Continuing
on
after
on
that,
second
page
after
the
land
purchases
we
had
we,
we
categorized
these
other
projects,
potent
that
have
potential
grants
or
funding
identified.
A
lot
of
these
were
on
the
first
page
before
as
part
of
the
arpa,
but
we
thought
we'd
separate
them
out,
because
we
did
have
some
funding
identified.
F
The
hurricane
harding
of
the
community
center
2.5
million
we've
got
a
potential
grant
funding
for
2.5
million
the
water
sewer
septic
to
sewer
south
florida,
3
million
dollar
cost,
we've
got
potential
grant
of
1.5
million
and
the
other
would
be
funded.
The
balance
of
1.5
million
would
be
funded
by
the
water
sewer
fund,
storm
of
stormwater
related
projects.
We
got
river
bayou
dredging,
1.1
million.
F
We
got
that
slotted
in
a
2024
penny
of
1.1
million
to
fund
that
stormwater
highland
vista,
almost
1.2
million
we've
got
a
potential
grant
for
that
for
1.2
million
stormwater
distance
center
street.
Almost
1.1
million
we've
got
a
potential
grant
funding
for
that
1.1
million
under
transportation.
We've
got
lemon
shattuck
rebrick,
1.1
million.
We've
got
that
split
between
we've
already
got
some
money
in
the
current
year:
450
000
and
then
we're
slotting
in
650
000.
In
the
2023
penny.
F
For
that
1.1
million
dollar
project
under
cultural
we
got
theater
upgrades
of
a
hundred
thousand
and
we've
got
that
slotted
into
2023
penny.
Then
we
got
library
improvements,
one
million
dollars,
we've
got
five
hundred
thousand
potential
grant
funding
and
then
five
hundred
thousand
there's
four
hundred
thousands
of
library
impact
fees
and
a
hundred
thousand
of
donations.
We
have
and
then
the
heritage
museum
improvements.
That's
the
christopher
still
project,
we've
got
90
000
and
we've
got
it
slotted
in
the
penny
for
2023
of
paying
for
that,
and
that
is
the
second
page
of
this.
D
So
again,
getting
together,
we
took
all
of
these
items
and
tried
to
do
a
placement
again,
the
potential
grant.
We
don't
have
a
grant
per
se,
but
that
is
a
place
we're
going
to
look
and
we
think
we
have
the
potential
of
a
lot
of
grants
available
to
look
at
for
those
areas
to
hopefully
secure
a
lot
of
those
in
that
potential
grant,
which
is
6.8
million
of
potential
grant
money.
D
Remember
the
grants
could
be
appropriations
from
the
state,
they
could
be
federal
allotments,
they
could
be,
they
could
be
grants
they
could
be
in
florida.
They've
got
that
new
grant.
It
could
be
stat
money,
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
sources
that
we
would
go
after
for
those
particular
areas
that
we
think
grant
funding
is
readily
available
to
for.
A
We've
we've
got
the
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
Vice
mayor
alone,.
G
D
We
got
remember
what
the
grant
was
for.
G
G
Okay,
there
was
here
I
go
again
because
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to.
There
was
also
non-funded
requests
for,
for.
D
D
That's
what
we
we're
doing
when
we
that
that's
the
next
chart
we'll
be
going
to
all
right.
No,
I
think
we
yeah.
We
sent
that
to
you
just
yesterday
or
so
again,
we've
been
since
the
last
budget
meeting
we've
been
working
feverishly
and
tried
the
opera
when
I
think
we
got
finished
first,
so
you
got
that
the
earliest.
D
G
Okay,
so
those
are
those
are
things
I
was
concerned
about
last
time.
I
think
I
already
talked
with
you
all
about
sidewalks
and
street,
paving
and
reworking
and
so
forth,
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
the
one
thing
did
we
discuss
somewhere
in
here.
Is
there
money
for
the
cops
and
kids
center
that
we've
been
talking
about?
It's.
D
We're
hoping
we're
hoping
the
3.9
million
dollar
front
page
right
in
if
you'll
see
under
the
column,
the
second
blue
column
potential
grant
funding
is.
If
you
go
down,
it's
the
first
one
3.9
that
we'd
asked
for.
Would
we
get
the
whole
thing
or
whether
we'd
have
to
you
know,
look
for
some
additional
money.
That's
the
question.
I
don't
know
what
spreadsheets
I'm
looking.
A
That's
great,
I
got
it
it's
in
the
vice
mirrorless
in
the
white
sheets
that
we're
talking
about
those
sheets
that
you're
hanging
on
to.
G
All
right,
I
personally
don't
want
to
leave
that
to
some
ephemeris
grant
program.
I'd
like
to
see
us
get
a
firmer
handle
on
what
that's
going
to
be.
What
it's
going
to
look
like,
there's
been
minor
discussions
about
increasing
what
that
cops
and
kid
center
does.
I
know
there
was
some
reports
on
turning
it
into
a
hub
center,
maybe
bringing
in
or
having
facilities
for
other
agencies.
G
Somebody
came
up
with
the
thing
was
when
we
were
talking
about
pickleball
courts.
We
should
probably
move
them
indoors
and
that
would
be
a
good
place
to
put
them
at
least
they'd
get
use
there
and
there's
also
been
some
talk
about
a
heritage
museum
for
the
union
academy
area
and
that
would
probably,
since
it's
in
that
area,
be
a
good
place
to
put
it.
G
D
Again
and
they're
in
the
beginning
processes
on
this,
when
the
r
for
money
came
in
a
billion
products,
the
old
under
me
type
plan
was
to
renovate
the
prison
center
and
you
know
and
we're
talking
back
a
ways.
Chief
young
has
been
working
on
the
vision,
a
new
location
and
it's
very
it's
in
the
very
early
stages.
But
the
money
is
here,
so
we
had
to
put
it
out
there
he's
in
the
very
even
looking.
If
we
can
move
to
the
other
location,
what
services
we
can
get
in
there.
D
Hopefully,
some
of
the
services
we
get
in
there.
That's
where
some
money
from
the
county
or
somewhere
else
can
come
to
to
do
it.
But
but
his
committee
is
very
early
with
the
house,
because
it's
very
early
in
the
process,
we
just
have
to
put
it
on
the
table.
It's
not
even
ready
to
bring
what's
going
to
be
there,
it's
too
early
for
that,
but
we
know
with
this
board
having
to
decide
on
all
the
funding
that's
available
and
stuff.
D
We
need
to
have
that
out
there
and
at
least
a
marker,
a
placeholder
for
it
until
they
come
up
with
the
full
plan.
What
it's
going
to
be
you
know,
there's
visions
now
that
just
being
a
whole
indoor
outdoor
complex,
a
whole
complex
on
that
area
behind
dorset
park,
looking
at
maybe
some
of
the
property
of
mount
moriah
church
behind
it
and
stuff,
maybe
incorporating
some
of
that
into
it.
D
So
there's
a
lot
of
ideas
been
blossoming
in
the
last
month
of
possibilities
for
an
expansion
and
doing
a
whole
complex
increase,
not
only
the
building
but
some
facilities
on
it.
They
wouldn't
be
indoor
pickleball,
but
maybe
they
could
be
outdoor
facilities
or
something,
but
it
were
real
early
in
in
in
chief
young
in
his
committee
and
their
process,
working
with
the
housing
authority
to
put
something
together.
G
And
I
I
had
some
discussions
with
I.t
about
the
intended
cyber
security
for
the
water
and
sewer
infrastructure.
G
That's
kind
of
a
ballpark
number
that's
thrown
in
there,
I'm
actually
not
overall,
in
support
of
it
until
there's
there's
more
air
in
it
I
mean,
I
know
that
certain
fiber
has
been
talked
about.
I
don't
know
the
dark,
fiber
lit,
fiber
or
or
what
I'm
just
I'm
I'm
just
I
mean
it's
a
it's
a
nice
budget
figure
number,
but
I
I'd
like
to
see
more
about
what
that
is,
because
I.
G
I
mean,
obviously
we
have
a
certain
amount
of
security
in
there
now.
I
wasn't
aware
that
it
wasn't
doing
its
job
to
the
tune
that
it
had
to
be
entirely
replaced.
I
have
a
good
suspicion
that
most
of
this
2
million
dollars
is
for
fiber
and
if
that's
the
case,
then
it
needs
to
be
brought
out
as
such
and
I
don't
believe
it
should
be
part
of
the
opera
funds.
So
there's
there's
some
unknowns
there
to
me.
I
I
don't
want
to.
A
D
F
I
That
is
broken
down.
It's
1.4
million
dollars
to
address
network
network
security.
The
what
we've
currently
say
now
is
that
you're
dedicating
about.
G
F
F
Yes,
that
is
1.4
million
dollars.
Current
estimate
from
our
engineering
consultant,
who
worked
with
national
cyber
security
experts
to
arrive
at
a
that's
just
for
network
architecture,
so
basically
building.
I
More
resiliency
and
more
layers
of
defense
into
our
existing
scada
system
that
1.4
is
independent
of
the
fiber.
The
fiber
project's
current
estimate
is
1.3
million
dollars
and
within
this
2
million,
where
only
350
000
would
be
dedicated.
D
I
know
there's
some
limited
limited
information
when
you
get
it
deep,
because
we
don't
want
to.
G
Go
too
much
into
the
security
there's,
certainly
stuff,
you
don't
want
to
discuss
in
public.
So
I
understand
that
I
guess
more
grant
stuff
on
the
craig
park.
Seawall.
G
It
says:
we've
got
a
two
million
dollar
grant
which
is
leading
us
so
far
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
3.2
million
dollars
short
or
so.
Are
we
but
then.
G
D
No,
that
would
be
in
our
mind
now,
would
be
in
the
cost.
That
would
be
a
part.
One
part
two
would
be
be.
The
other
side
which
involves
agreements
with
all
the
property
owners.
G
G
A
G
G
D
Just
remember
this
came
up
fast.
We
were
looking
for
for
things
to
give
give
the
congressman
bill
arrakis.
That
was
one
of
the
items
we
gave.
We
really
hadn't
done
much
study
into
it
yet,
but
that
was
the
project
he
chose.
So
this
is
all.
D
We're
waiting
to
see
that
we
won't
know
to
the
appropriate.
We
will
know
to
the
actual
appropriation
for
sure
goes
and
that's
the
thing
if
we're
going
to
spend
our
money
and
we
got
a
time
on
appropriation,
that's
why
you
know
the
three
million
we'd
have
to
do
at
least
for
now.
Would
we
we'd
have
to
we'd
have
to
move
the
project
because
that's
the
project
that's
going
to
take.
I
know
a
long
time.
We've
talked
about
with
bob
about
designing
and
getting
permitted.
It's
going
to
be
a
it's
going
to
be
a
long
project.
D
Mean
I
was
shocked
when
the
we
asked
for
for
remember
when
we
asked
we
wanted
4
million
and
very
quickly,
I
mean
some
of
those
other
things
we
asked
for
we've
been
asking
for
for
three
or
four
years.
This
was
a
brand
new
one,
but
this
is
the
one,
and
I
think
this
is
the
one
the
congressman
thought
the
federal
funding
was
there
to
get
us.
D
I
think
this
was
the
you
know
he
was
looking
to
see
where,
where
will
he
have
a
chance
with
the
congress
that
we
got
to
get
this
money
and
he
was
wise
because
we
did
get
two
of
the
four
million
with
it,
but
it
kind
of
sprung
on
us
pretty
fast.
So
so.
J
G
Right
now
and
and
then
see
cascading
in
increments
over
the
next
few
years
I
mean
I
know,
there's
there's
probably
going
to
be
some
spending
ramifications
of
the
of
the
the
federal
grant.
We
got,
there's
obviously
spending
ramifications
from
the
arpa
fund
as
well,
but
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
see
two
and
a
half
million
of
those
five
million
dollars
go
to
design
and
architects.
A
I,
if,
if
I
may
go
ahead,
this
is
so
comprehensive.
What
we've
got,
which
is
a
very
good
thing,
because
I
think,
there's
a
first
time
in
a
very
long
time,
we've
seen
all
the
projects
shown
to
us
at
one
time,
it's
more
than
just
the
flooding
the
sea
wall
gets
cordoned
off
because
the
sidewalks
collapse
so
in
the
whole
sidewalk
whether
it's
flooded
or
not,
can't
be
used.
A
But
we
just
we've
just
kept
it
off
and
off
and
off
and
the
longer
we
go
the
more
expensive
it's
gotten
is
basically
yet
so
I
think
we
need
to
have
some
kind
of
a.
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
meeting,
but
some
kind
of
a
session
where
we
just
talk
about
what
are
the
priorities.
What
is
it
that
we
need
to
do
and
not
necessarily
get
into
how
we
do
it?
A
I
think
that
should
be
the
staff's
job
as
far
as
we
set
the
priorities
from
the
standpoint
of
a
policy
and
let
the
staff
come
back
and
say:
okay,
this
is
how
we're
going
to
do
this,
and
this
is
how
many
years
it's
going
to
take
to
do
it.
I
mean
that
that's
how
I
that's
how
there's
so
many
projects
here.
All
of
them
are
excellent,
all
of
them
outstanding
projects.
That's
not,
and
there
is
a
genuine
need
for
all
of
them,
and
I
there's
a
lot
more.
A
I
can
say,
but
I
want
to
be
positive
about
it.
Not
it's
got
nothing.
You
know
it's
like.
Many
of
these
needs
have
been
there
for
a
very,
very,
very
long
time.
Some
of
them
require
land,
we
haven't,
purchased,
land
and
now
land
is
very
expensive
and
so
we're
paying
premium
prices
for
land
materials,
design.
Everything
has
gotten
more
expensive
and
the
money.
The
amount
of
money
hasn't
gone
that
much.
We
haven't
got
that
much
more,
and
so
that's
my
thoughts.
A
I
I
think
that
we
could
talk
about
these
projects
all
night
tonight
as
far
as
how
we
tackle
them
and
stuff
like
that.
But
I
think
it's
just
going
to
have
to
be.
You
spend
some
time
with
this
to
try
and
get
a
feel
for
what's
important
to
you,
and
we
might
have
to
have
some
kind
of
surveys
amongst
ourselves
and
then
submit
those
to
the
staff
and
then
have
a
meeting
and
see
what
the
priorities
are
turning
out
and
then
also
take
into
consideration.
What
the
residents
have
told
us.
A
As
far
as
the
priorities
are
in
this
strategic
plan,
which
they're
they're
not
specific
but
they're
generally
enough
to
where
you
can
get
an
idea
of
where
they,
what
they're
talking
about.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
provide
some
rational
approach
to
this
without
getting
mired
down
and
just
pulling
the
hair
out
of
your
head.
So.
A
Let
me
I
don't
want
to.
H
Take
over
here,
I
just
want
to
ask
another
question
in
refer
reference
to
this.
If
we
have
to
wait
for
an
army
corps
of
engineer
report-
and
you
know
permit
to
go
ahead
with
this
as
well,
this
could
be
something
that's
pushed
off
for
with
the
sea.
H
E
H
A
Not
as
long
as
we're
within
the
same
footprint,
if
you
replace
the
seawall
and
you
pull
out
the,
if
you
leave
the
existing
one
in
place,
you
can
put
one
up
to
18
inches
in
front
of
the
next
one.
Okay,
that's
that's
you
do
that.
It's
not
just
the
army
corps,
but
it's
the
the
state
and
the
water
navigation
authority
with
the
county
and
then
as
long
as
you're
out
of
the
water
column,
you
can
elevate
the
dock
to
whatever
you
want
to.
It's.
A
I'm
sorry
to
see
the
the
sidewalk
a
dock
is
a
different
matter.
All
those
docks.
If
we
have
to
do
work
on
those
all
of
those
will
take
some
kind
of
a
permit.
I
can't
tell
you
that
they'd
allow
that
through
a
repair
permit,
but
they
would
require
some
kind
of
a
permit
to
to
to
to
change
whatever
it
needs
to
be
changed
on
those
stocks
and
but
it
doesn't
take.
That
long
is
what
I'm
saying.
They're
existing
dogs
well.
H
A
I
don't
think
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
say.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
worry
about
it,
allocating
the
money,
the
the
money
that
is
going
to
have
to
be
allocated,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
tied
to
the
2
million
requirement
that
we're
getting
as
far
as
how
fast
we
should
plan
on
spinning
it,
and
then
we
need
to
have
some
kind
of
a
game
plan
of
how
we're
going
to
approach
the
entire
thing
right
now.
A
I
don't
think
we've
got
enough
information,
the
permitting
aspect,
the
environmental
regulatory
stuff
is
not
going
to
be
an
obstacle.
It's
just
eating
the
elephant,
one
bite
at
a
time.
That's
what
I'm
getting
at.
I
don't
think.
We've
got
a
plan
on
how
to
do
that.
Yet
these
are
just
numbers
projects
they're
huge
projects,
but
we
don't
have
a
plan
on
how
do
we
actually
execute
those?
G
The
only
other
thing
that
that
I
sort
of
have
is,
I
understand
the
need
to
replace
fire
station
70..
I'm
not
quite
sure
if
arpa
finds,
is
the
correct
mechanism
to
do
that.
G
G
I'd
like
to
see
s
more
of
the
money
go
towards
things
in
the
community
that
that
just
haven't
been
done.
I
mean
I
know.
I
know
commissioner
eisner
agrees
with
me:
there's
there's
swaths
of
our
community,
that
that
need
more
attention
and
and
when
I,
when
I
take
a
look
at
a
budget
like
this,
I'm
going
like
yeah,
I
would
I
would
love
to
have
a
new
fire
station
for
for
to
play,
70
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
but
I'm
not
quite
sure
if
arpa
funding
is
the
funding
source
for
that.
G
A
Thoughts
and
sometimes
it's
a
curse
to
have
so
much
money
thrown
in
your
lap
and
you're
sitting
there
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
spend
it,
which
is
not
a
bad
thing,
but
it
could
be
a
frustrating
thing
to
do,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
kind
of
go
back
to
the
basics.
If
that's
what
you're
interested
in
as
far
as
what
the
arpa
money
is
is
is
targeted
for,
and
I
think
some
of
these
things
are
justified.
I
do
think
that
some
of
these
have
been
delayed
because
they
were
delayed.
A
A
I
think,
that's
clearly
you
know
it
clearly
fits
into
what
the
rp
money
is
intended
for,
because
it's
for
staging
any
additional
pandemic
that
might
occur
as
far
as
patients
go
and
then,
of
course,
also
solves
the
problem
of
moving
ahead
with
a
wrap
against
storm
damage.
G
G
A
A
G
G
A
A
A
A
A
A
You
need
that
in
order
to
keep
the
lights
and
water
running,
so
you
know
that
that
could
be
a
solution
too
I
mean
all
I'm
saying
is:
if
we
need
some
help,
maybe
we
should
get
some
collaboration
from
some
people
that
actually
do
this
sort
of
thing
for
a
living
to
kind
of
sort
through
this
stuff.
I'm
not
talking
about
a
consultant
beside
this,
but
to
help
facilitate
our
discussion
to
arrive
at
some
conclusions
on
what
should
be
done.
First,
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at
yeah.
A
E
Yeah
I've
got
I've
got
a
few
comments.
I
I
mean
I'm
somewhat
aligned
with
commissioner
vice
mayor
lund
on
some
of
these
items
as
well
too.
I
do
appreciate
the
million
dollars
for
the
hospital.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
well
served
for
the
community
again.
This
is
arpa
funding.
If
you
look
at
it,
water
sewer,
infrastructure,
type
projects,
the
one
couple
things
that
I
would
say
is
nick.
Can
you
touch
base
on
the
design
cost
of
the
station
70?
E
E
Sure
I
mean
a
million
dollars
is
significant
for
design.
In
my
opinion,
so
I
mean
from
arpa
we're
looking
at
two
point
or
three
point
one
for
the
fire
department
totally
for
the
fire
department
totally
for
putting
arpa
funding
to
the
fire
department.
Do
I
think
it
should
be
3.1
out
of
the
arpa.
I
think
it
needed
to
be
pulled
back
a
little
bit
and
maybe
it's
the
design
phase
would
look
at
some
funding
somewhere
else
for
that
deputy
clerk
menusa.
E
I
know
you
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
a
whole
lot
tonight,
so
I
want
to
give
you
the
opportunity:
do
we
have
residents
who
have
a
hard
time
paying
their
water
bills?
D
C
D
E
E
In
the
month,
so
so
I
know,
commissioner,
israel,
you
brought
it
up
in
the
past.
I
brought
up
initially
when
the
arpa
funding
came
in
about
how
do
we
get
money
back
to
some
people?
But
if
the
county
is
putting
up
money
there,
I'm
happy
to
let
the
county
put
their
money
there.
It's
all
arpa
money,
let's
spend
our
money
on
capital
projects
and,
if
we're
already
helping
our
residents
to
the
county,
so
I
understand
that
it
is
being.
E
E
Is
it
cip,
it's
built
into
our
fees
that
we
have
already
in
place,
so
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
tap
those
as
well
too
for
those
ones,
but
I
do
think
portable
water
is
a
good
thing
and
it's
really
one
of
the
one
of
the
items
that's
called
out
in
the
arpa
funding
is
portable
water,
and
so
we
have
zero
dollars
in
that,
and
I
think
it's
something
that
would
be
important
to
do
mark
or
nick
or
anybody.
So
the
beckett
bridge
we
have
728
thousand
dollars
for
relocating
the
water
mains.
F
That's
a
good
question:
I'm
sure
that
has
been
from.
D
F
Yeah,
and
also
to
clarify
too,
commissioner
carr,
it
is
a
very
difficult
crossing.
It's
going
to
be
installed
by
horizontal
directional
drill
underneath
the
river
yeah,
it's
our
water
and
sewer
lines.
So
I'm
sure
there
is
I'm
sure
it's
been
asked
of
the
county,
but.
E
Okay,
going
back
to
the
cops
and
kids,
I
I
do
think
that's
an
important
building
to
to
put
money
into.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
use
arpa
funding
for
something
like
this.
You
mentioned
that
there's
an
alternative
location.
Can
someone
share
on
that?
For
me,
it
was
behind
the
the
church
or
where
are
we
looking
at.
E
School
yeah,
okay,
makes
sense
right
on
the
main
road
there
in
the
parking
lot.
Nice
parking
lot
already
yeah
that
I
mean
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
mean
I
would
support
some
money
going
to
that.
I
think
it's
an
important
aspect
to
reach
out
to
a
different
demographic
of
our
community
to
uplift,
the
community
for
sure
I
would
go
down
also
to
the
to
the
craig
park.
Seawall,
I'm
right
there.
I
grew
up
in
that
bayou.
I
you
know
played
in
the
flooded
sidewalks
played
in
the
bay
for
many
years.
E
I
see
it
flooded
constantly.
The
issue
that
I
have
is
a
3.1
million
from
the
arpa
funding.
E
I
do
think
there's
county
and
state
grants
that
we
can
get
out
there
and
the
other
part
that
I
have
an
issue
with
is
what
happens
if
the
I
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
call
an
omnibus
or
whatever
package
they're
going
to
push
through
this
congressional
budget?
What
if
it
gets
cut
and
then
we're
back
to
zero
dollars
from
the
federal
government,
then
we
have
3.1
right
for
the
with
arpa,
that's
pending
there.
E
So
from
a
youth
standpoint
to
give
back
to
the
community,
I
think
there's
other
opportunities
to
fund
this
portion
of
it.
I
don't
know
what
that
looks
like,
but
I
think
that
again
I
go
back
to
what
the
state
did
with
desantis
and
sprawls,
how
much
money
they
put
into
the
I
forget
what
they
call
it,
but
it's
basically,
the
city's
harp
in
spring
should
be
harvesting
a
lot
of
money
from
that
grant,
because
how
much
of
our
city
is
in
flooding
areas
and
low-lying
areas?
E
So
going
back
to
the
two,
the
two
things
that
I
think
would
be
or
the
three
things
that
I
think
are
important
to
hit
more
cops
and
kids
portable
waters
and
then
I
think,
most
of
the
board,
the
last
heavy
hurricane
we
were
here.
I
don't
know
if
you're
on
the
board
yet,
but
the
community
center
and
city
manager
correct
me
from
wrong.
The
community
center
is
used
to
house
a
lot
of
the
employees,
families
you.
E
Hurricanes
yeah
and
so
think
of
it
you
and
I
have
jobs.
We
could
take
days
off
right,
but
with
the
city
employees,
they
don't
have
the
luxury
to
take
a
day
off
because
they're
hardening
the
city
as
itself.
So
where
are
they
taking
their
family?
Where
are
they
taking
their
loved
ones
that
they
are
there
to
protect
right,
but
they're
actually
protecting
our
city?
So
I
I
really
appreciate
the
chance
for
potential
grant
funding
there,
but
it's
a
really
being
through
irma
and
a
couple
other
smaller
storms.
E
E
A
E
So
you've
got
2.5
to
try
to
harden
the
community
center.
That's
an
age
building
right,
so
it
almost
makes
sense
to
harden
a
new
building.
Then
you've
got
a
longer
life
cycle
out
of
that
just
a
thought
process
right
so
I
mean
just
looking
at
the
arpa
funds
and
the
the
projects
that
are
there.
I
do
think
there's
some
opportunities
to
kind
of
move
some
funds
around
a
little
bit
further,
like
I
said,
the
cops
and
kids
the
hardening
for
the
hurricane
and
then
the
portable
water
is
important.
E
I
believe
I
think
we
could
pull
back
the
fire
station
a
little
bit.
3.1
million
out
of
the
whole
arpa
funding,
that's
a
four!
A
quarter
of
all
the
funding
is
going
towards
fire
station
again
totally
for
for
the
fire
station.
I
think
what's
important,
but
I
think
there's
some
other
funding
opportunities
we
could
use
for
that
and
then
the
craig
park
seawall
at
3.1.
E
E
I've
got
some
other
comments
about
when
we
get
to
the
un
or
the
the
capital
projects.
I
think
ecotourism
hasn't
really
been
addressed
at
all,
but
we
could
talk
about
that
as
we
go
on
the
next
item
at
least
double
check.
One
other
thing,
maybe.
H
Thank
you
mayor.
As
I'm
looking
through
this
list,
I
see
one
of
the
most
important
things
is
this
list
of
where
it
says
priorities,
because
as
we're
discussing
these
things
back
and
forth
really
without
having
the
priority
list
on
there,
it's
very
hard
to
make
distinction
of
what
we
should
be
using
the
money
for
a
lot
of
things.
I've
been
listening
to.
I
listened
to
vice
mayor,
speak
about
pulling
back
money
from
the
fire
station,
which
I
also
agree
with.
H
I'm
listening
to
commissioner
carr
with
the
cops
and
kids.
I
also
would
like
to
see
that
go
into
effect
and
also
be
a
a
cat,
5
location
that
could,
because
we
don't
have
anything
other
than
the
police
station,
that's
secure,
so
we're
really
not
sitting
with
very
much
in
the
event
and
where
it's
inevitable,
we
will
get
hit
with
something
it's
just.
If,
when
and
how
much
I
love
this
priority
list,
I
didn't
understand
what
the
mental
health
public
safety
for
employees
of
48
000
was.
H
F
H
F
A
F
H
And
very
thankful
to
the
commission
for
allowing
that
to
happen.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
For
letting
me
know.
The
sea
wall
is
a
very
strange
one.
It's
it's
very
expensive
and
it's
scary
to
try
to
put
that
much
money
towards
a
sea
wall
when
you're
only
doing
half
it.
I
I
know
it
needs
to
be
fixed.
I
don't
know
I'd
like
to
have
a
comparison
to
how
to
possibly
temporarily
fix
it.
H
So
it's
usable
not
that
it's
it
still
will
go
underwater
but
to
to
put
this
many
millions
of
dollars
when
we
have
no
idea
what
the
other
side
would
be,
it's
going
to
be
a
10
million
12
million,
and
we
don't
even
know
what
what
what
we
need
to
go
after
so
I'd
love
to
know
before
we
go
and
put
any
money
aside
for
this,
what
we're
actually
going
to
what
it
would
actually
cost
to
at
least
do
what
we've
been
doing
all
along
is
band-aiding
it
I'm
not
looking
to
kick
the
can
down
the
road,
but
I'd
like
to
have
the
funds
before
we
just
I
don't
want
to
do
half
the
project.
H
H
So
whatever
it
is,
we
have
to
decide
either
to
bite
the
bullet
and
get
a
grant
to
fix
the
whole
thing
or
not.
So
I
just
see
that,
as
being
you
know,
just
putting
money
there,
the
other
couple
of
things
as
I've
spoken
in
the
past.
We
do
need
to
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
we
have
money
set
aside
from
for
the
water
bills,
but
the
water
bills
are
not
the
only
thing
that
affected
the
the
people
in
covid.
As
I've
said
many
times.
H
If
you
grow
up
poor,
you
know
how
to
live
poor
if
you
grow
up
middle
class
or
even
a
little
bit
better
off,
it's
very
hard
to
revert
to
becoming
poor,
and
I
I
think
that
we
really
have
to
put
some
money
aside.
H
I
have
a
number
in
my
head
of-
maybe
I
don't
know
five
hundred
thousand
seven
hundred.
Fifty
thousand-
I
don't
know
what
that
number
is
I'd,
be
willing
to
listen
to
other
people's
input,
but
I'd
love
to
have
some
money
set
aside
for
legitimate
reasons
to
help
people
that
are
not
here
in
the
audience,
they're
not
going
to
come
whether
we
have
to
set
up
an
ad
hoc
committee
to
decide
and
take
a
little
bit
of
a
feedback
of
knowing
how
they
were
hurt.
H
I
know
we
have
somebody
in
town
whose
house
was
struck
by
lightning
and
they
lost
their
job
during
covid
and
it
was
a
total
loss.
They
have
no
insurance.
I
know
they
could
be
using
something
and
I'm
not
looking
to
just
squander
money,
but
I
would
like
to
try
to
see
if
we
could
help
them
out.
H
Another
thing
that
I
would
like
to
also
see
that
we
also
spoke
about
is
possibly
doing
a
very
minor
housing
for
people
that
are
on
the
streets.
I
know
that
that
is
an
issue
that
we
have.
I
think
every
resident
would
speak
about
it,
I'm
not
talking
about
putting
somebody
up
indefinitely,
but
if
they
need
to
get
off
the
street,
I
don't
know-
and
this
is
just
I'm
throwing
it
out
there
to
to
put
aside
a
certain
area
and
to
have
a
small
little.
H
Small
little
place
not
that
they're
going
to
live
in
it,
but
just
to
keep
people
off
the
street,
because
otherwise
the
police
have
an
issue
when
they
go
to
pick
somebody
up.
So
that's
that's.
I
don't
know
how
much
or
we
could
put
towards
that.
But
I
do
think
that
that
is
a
serious
issue
that
we
deal
with
here
in
town
and
something
I'd
like
to
see
that
we
at
least,
if
we're
not
going
to
use
arpa
funds
for
it.
H
H
So
that's
something
I'd
like
to
see,
but
before
I
make
any
more
decisions
or
like
to
put
any
requests
out,
we
have
on
a
on
a
to-do
list.
It's
it's
on
the
riverside
tennis
courts
and
whatnot
the
redoing.
I
know
we
don't
have
that
that's
in
a
wish
list,
but
we
don't
have
security
cameras
in
there.
H
So
I
don't
really
want
to
do
anything
upgrades
to
any
place
without
having
security
cameras
on
it
as
well,
and
I
think
that
I
I
saw
it
originally
was
set
up
at
200
000
for
the
whole,
you
know
redoing
of
the
tennis
courts
and
whatnot,
and
the
security
cameras
and
the
roof
for
the
concession
stand
so
right
now
I
see
it
only
at
150
000,
so
we're
missing
a
little
bit
of.
I
think
the
security
cameras
got
may
have
gotten
pulled
off.
D
H
What
I'd
like
to
stay
away
from
is
just
plain
upgrading
for
the
sake
of
upgrading,
unless
it's
really
mandatory,
if
the
priority
is
a
three,
you
know
right
now,
it's
nothing
that
we
can
really
do.
I
would
like
to
see
you
know
us.
F
H
Okay,
well,
I
I
would
like
to
pull
then
the
fire,
the
firehouse
out
of
this,
that
I
was
looking
at
that
I
was
also
looking
at
the
the
pump
station
because
I
don't
know
if
we
have,
I
did
didn't
we
not
get
a
price
that
this
would
not
be
correct,
that
it
was
going
to
be
a
lot
more
expensive.
A
H
A
H
So
that's
all
I
really
have
like.
I
said:
I'm
I'm
I'm
okay
with
everything
else
on
here.
It
just
shows
that
we
have
a
lot
that
has
not
been
done
in
a
while.
So.
A
Oh
yes,
commissioner,.
I
I
did
want
to
bring
up,
as
we
were
talking
about,
arpa
money
and
and
for
those
in
need.
There
is
pinellas
county
did
get
a
special
nofo
grant
relating
to
unsheltered
homelessness,
and
I've
been
sending
emails
with
chief
and
the
shepherd
center
to
try
to
apply
those
try
to
apply
for
those
funds.
I
Some
of
those
some
of
the
criteria
does
include
interest
in
creating
a
shelter
for
the
city.
If
you
know
it
fell
in
line
with
the
guidelines
so,
but
it
has
to
be
done
by
a
non-profit
like
the
shepherd
center,
so
I'll
be
sharing
some
more
information
that
way
that
we
could
try
to
urge
them
to
stay
involved
with
it
all,
because
I
think
we
fall
right
in
line
with
the
criteria
to
be
able
to
get
those
arpa
funds
for
the
unsheltered
homelessness.
I
I
want
to
talk
about
the
seawall
project
and
at
some
point
it's
we
got
to
start
it.
I
know
a
lot
of
these
projects
that
we're
going
to
do
we're
going
to
inconvenience
people,
but
we
got
to
put
the
city
forward
and
I
would
make
a
suggestion
that
we
we
budget,
that
3.1
million
to
the
side
and
if
that
2
million
approved
grant
falls
through,
we
can
roll
that
over
into
some
other
projects.
I
As
far
as
the
sponge
docks,
that
3.5
million
is
just
for
the
one
intersection
I
believe
I
know,
we've
talked
about
how
to
approach
the
the
three
intersections
down
there.
Some
of
the
board
has
mentioned
possibly
going
through
bonds
and
city
staff
did
bring
up
a
point
that
I
was
concerned
about.
Of
course,
I'd
like
to
do
it
all
at
once,
but
I
don't
want
to
put
future
generations
and
citizens
in
a
debt
bind
you
know.
I
So
I
would
take
the
approach
that
we
focus
on
one
intersection.
Maybe
staff
can
decide
the
most
important
one,
the
one
that
helps
maybe
get
people
to
parking
spots
and
be
able
to
utilize.
You
know
go
to
the
sponge
docks
and
we
try
to
go.
We
fix
one
year
by
year,
and
you
know
we
go
back.
We
tell
the
citizens
the
truth.
We
don't
have
the
money
to
budget
10
million
to
the
side.
I
D
A
A
Yeah,
let
me
you
know,
sitting
in
listening
to
the
strategic
plan,
the
people
they.
Basically
they
want
a
community
that
they're
proud
of,
I
mean
number
one
and
and
then
you
start
looking
at
actually
what's
being
written
down,
that
we'll
be
seeing
a
little
more
detail
next
week.
A
You
know
it's
at
some
point
in
time.
Let
me
let
me
ask
a
couple.
Let
me
ask
one
question:
city
manager-
and
I
were
talking
about
this
today-
chief
young,
you
remember
the
intersection
of
tarpon
avenue
in
stafford
when
you
were
a
young
police
officer
right.
Do
you
remember
when
it
rained
down
there?
Oh
yeah,
it
was
like
commissioner
carr.
I
know
you
ran
around
town
and
stuff
you're
a
little
younger,
but
do
you
remember
that
intersection
a.
E
G
H
A
Mean
that
water
would
be
like
10
inches
12
inches
deep
after
a
rainstorm
and
it
was
a
local
basin
and
when
the
trail
came
through,
you
don't
see
a
drop
there
anymore.
It's
got
a
huge
grate
in
the
middle
of
it.
It
goes
straight
down.
Saffron
goes
to
the
river.
That
was
a
very
easy
solution
for
us,
but
it
made
a
huge
difference
in
the
town.
I
mean
it
just
made
it.
You
know.
If
ambulances
could
get
through
there,
it
was
no
longer
a
safety
p.
People
could
walk
there
without
getting
completely
drenched.
A
A
A
Now
we've
we're
facing
doing
one
for
the
price
of
two
just
even
two
years
ago,
and-
and
I
I
don't
know
why
in
I
mean
you
do
one,
but
you
still
got
to
get
to
the
other
end
of
the
sponge
docks
and
you're
going
to
be
driving
through
saltwater
at
those
other
two.
So
I
think
that
we
should
do
that
intersection,
but
I've
asked
the
city
manager.
A
Maybe
we
should
kind
of
look
at
it
from
an
engineering
perspective
to
maybe
do
one
at
athens
and
dota
kinesis
do
one
down
at
roosevelt
and
tie
hope
street
in
with
that,
with
a
drain
line
on
the
street.
Of
course
that
would
require
redoing
the
street,
but
it
certainly
may
be
cheaper
than
10
million
dollars.
But
if
we
do
it,
I
think
we
need
to
do
the
whole
thing
down
there
and
get
it
done
once
and
for
all.
A
We
got
the
flapper
valve
in
for
hope
street,
but
we
we're
not
really
sure
if
it
works
yet
so
we'll
figure
that
one
out
so
we're
kind
of
playing
around
a
little
bit
with
this
stuff.
So,
for
me,
the
priorities
are
which
I
see
written
down
here:
it's
quality
of
life
and
you
infrastructure,
and
I
really
think
that
we
need
to
address
the
flooding
in
a
very
comprehensive
way.
I
think
the
sea
wall
at
craig
park.
A
Maybe
there
is
something
that
we
could
do
on
a
on
a
very
interim
basis,
but
quite
frankly
it
it
part
of
that
sidewalk
and
sea
wall
collapses.
Just
before
the
holidays,
I
mean
every
year,
and
so
it's
like
we
get
people.
I
don't
want
to
say
thousands.
I
don't
want
to
exaggerate,
but
a
whole
whole
lot
of
people
down
there
and
what
they
look
at
is
the
orange
netting
down
there.
A
They
can't
use
the
side,
the
sidewalk
or
the
you
know
that
area
and
of
course,
then,
when
it
floods,
they
really
can't
use
it.
So
we've
talked
about
this
since,
since
2020.
A
When
I
came
on
the
commission
even
before
that,
when
I
would
sit
out
there
and
listen
and
now
we've
gotten
some
money
for
it,
and
I
really
think
that
and-
and
we
have
a
lot
of
special
events
that
take
place
down
craig
park,
the
the
the
epiphany
for
one
thing,
and
so
I
really
think
we
need
to
bite
the
bullet
on
some
of
these
things,
the
I
I
don't
have
much
of
an
issue
with
funds
for
people.
A
I
just
don't
know
how
that's
supposed
to
work
or
whether
that's
supposed
to
solve
their
problem
and
get
them
back
on
the
feed
or
they're.
Just
you
know
we'll
give
them
some
money
this
year
and
next
year,
they're
going
to
be
in
the
same
boat.
I'm
not
sure
you
know.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
do,
I
wouldn't
even
know
how
to
manage
something
like
that.
A
The
city
and
I've
talked
to
city
manager
about
that,
as
far
as
from
reliably
managing
it
and
if,
for
whatever
reason
we
get
into
some
credibility
issues
over
that
thing,
it's
not
going
to
go
well
and
it's
not
even
so
much
if
there
aren't
any
credibility
issues.
Sometimes
it's
just
the
appearance
that
triggers
a
whole
lot
of
commotion
in
the
community
over
something
like
that.
So
I
I
don't
know
how
to
approach
that.
A
I
don't
disagree
with
it,
but
I
just
don't
know
how
to
approach
that
right
now,
and
maybe
we
should
spend
a
little
more
time
and
and
research
what
what
actual
programs
are
out
there.
Maybe
you
know
kind
of
make
a
decision
with.
Are
we
looking
for
people
that
might
want
to
borrow
it
that
they've
got
you
know
they're
behind
in
something
and
and
and
this
will
help
them
also
get
them
back
on
their
feet
for
sure
and
not
to
worry
about?
They
won't
have
a
problem
next
year.
A
A
My
my
priorities
are
very
similar
to.
I
think
what
the
residents
are,
which
is
the
infrastructure
which
is
the
flooding
and
which
includes
the
craig
park
and
which
is
a
quality
of
life.
That's
up
number
one
for
them
and
then
also
the
same
thing.
Quality
of
life
would
be
this
sports
annex,
including
the
cops
and
kids
center.
A
A
Lately
in
there
we've
got
the
community
rating
agency
that
we're
moving
ahead
with
with
the
with
the
union
academy,
neighborhood,
and
I
think
ms
vinson
didn't
mention
it,
but
I
think
we're
we're
looking
at
some
kind
of
a
preservation
conservation
area
for
that
area
as
well,
that
that
would
be
the
third
one
that
we
would
have
in
the
city.
So
I
think
that's
where
we
need
to
invest
in
our
people.
A
I
think
they've
been
looking
for
this
for
a
very
long
time
and
we
could
either
do
it
or
else
the
hurricane's
going
to
take
care
of
it
for
us
and
then
we'll
have
to
do
it.
I.
A
Pardon
me:
that's
insurance
yeah,
I
don't
know
all
right,
that's
it
for
me.
Those
are
the
priorities.
I
am
I
ready
I'm.
I
could
make
some
decisions
tonight
with
some
of
the
arpa
money
on
those
things
that
I
think
or
there's
a
consensus
like
the
the
hospital
overhang
and
a
few
other
things
that
are
listed
there,
but
what
I,
what
I
would
suggest
to
maybe
help
the
city
manager
in
this
regard
is,
if
you
see
something
that
you
think
you
could,
that
would
be
that's
something
that
you
would
want
to
do.
A
Maybe
just
send
him
a
memorandum
to
that
effect
and
see
if
there's
some
kind
of
a
commonality
between
us.
As
far
as
moving
ahead
with
some
of
these
things,
I
think,
as
I
said,
the
whole
package
right
now.
You
need
to
look
at
it
as
a
whole
package,
but
over
the
years
it's
simply
accumulated
to
where
it's
it's
actually
become
very
overwhelming,
to
try
and
make
sense
out
of
this
out
of
a
two
or
three
hour
meeting.
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at
and
and
then
the
the
the
existing
projects.
A
What
I
was
going
to
ask
you,
city
manager
of
the
course
weren't
there,
some
on
that
that
were
questionable,
that
we
had
money
on.
A
A
D
What
I'd
probably
ask
is
between
now
and
the
third
meeting
each
individual
commissioner
could
meet
with
us
and
talk
because
we're
not
gonna
have
enough
time
tonight
with
a
couple
items
in
miscellaneous.
We
have
to
do,
but
let
me
have
ron
get
up
and
briefly
explain
what
our
group
put
together
on
these
two
and
then
maybe
again,
each
of
you
can
schedule
individually
to
come
in
and
meet
with
ron
and
when
bob's
back
and
then
we
can
talk
about
these
in
more
detail.
D
So
when
we
come
to
the
third
meeting,
there's
not
gonna
be
much
discussion
on
these,
but
so
ron.
Why
don't
you
run
through
these
two
documents?
What
we
tried
to
do
the
next
two
real
fast
on
the
current
year:
capital
projects
on
the
sheets
after
that
and
the
building
park
meetings,
unfunded.
F
Yeah,
what
we
thought
we'd
put
together
for
yourself,
for
you-
is
the
current
year
fiscal
year,
2022
capital
projects
that
are
budgeted
this
year.
The
amount
you'll
see
are
the
actual
full
budgeted
amounts
and
where
they're
funded
not
without
going
into
all,
but
we
just
we
structured
it
by
the
general
government
projects,
the
ones
that
fall
under
public
safety
under
water
under
sewer
storm,
water,
transportation
and
cultural
and
then
cra
and
general
fund.
F
And
then
we
put
we
got
with
work
with
everybody.
We
got
the
status
of
the
project,
whether
they're,
complete
and
design
going
out
for
bid,
maybe
not
started,
and
then
across
you'll
see
you
know
where
they
are
funded
in
the
in
this
current
fiscal
year.
That's
the
second
document.
F
F
F
with
the
funding
to
be
determined
on
those
heritage
museum.
We
had
those
priority
number
one:
we've
got
the
money
for
those
in
the
general
fund
for
the
heritage,
museum
roof
and
the
ac
replacement,
and
then
the
library
ac
replacement
was
number
one.
We've
got
the
funding
for
that.
F
Then
we
had
the
train
depot
ac
replacement.
We've
got
the
funding
for
that.
Then
there
was
some
items
under
city
hall,
one
that
was
a
number
one.
Priority.
Was
the
pnz
office
remodel
of
twenty
thousand
dollars
from
what
I
understand
they
have
more
employees
and
they
need
to
redo
the
offices
there.
So
we've
got
the
twenty
thousand
there
to
do
that
and
then
there's
a
craig
craig
park
band
shell
replacement.
We've
got
that
slotted
for
the
budget,
we're
working
on
2023
for
the
roof
replacement
community
center.
F
We
had
the
sign
and
the
cameras
there.
We've
got
those
we
put
those
slotted
in
the
general
fund
for
2024
and
going
to
the
second
page
sunset
beach
cameras
is
that
the
priority
number
one
doing
it
next
year
out
of
the
general
fund
budget
riverside
existing
tennis
court
140
000.
Yes,
it
was
200
000,
but
we've
got
part
of
that
was
defensive,
which
we
have
in
this
current
year
of
the
60
000.
So
we
that's
why
it's
140
000
now.
D
And
again,
that's
there
right
now,
but
we
also,
we
also
recognize
as
a
one.
First
thing
we
try
to
do
is
try
to
fund
all
the
number
ones
and
if
you
see
we
funded
them
all,
except
that
one,
so
we
just
put
as
a
placeholder
next
year's
penny,
but
that
is
the
next
one
being
the
number
one
priority.
If
we
can
somehow
either
with
money
left
over
for
this
budget
or
some
some
become
available,
we
really
want
to
move
that
up
into
this
year's
penny.
D
So
that's
still
in
the
play
to
hopefully
move
up
for
now
for
the
sheet
that
we
give
you
tonight,
it's
next
year's,
but
again
it's
the
number
one
and
I
think
we
funded
every
other
number
one
on
this
list.
It's
funded
now
to
do
beginning
this
budget
and
we're
going
to
look
to
try
to
move
that
into
that
category.
Also.
F
Okay,
yeah.
The
next
item
was
a
riverside
concession,
roof
replacement.
That
was
a
number
one
funding
it
in.
We
found
looking
at
money
this
current
year,
ten
thousand
dollars
sports
complex.
We
got
this
discovery
park,
playground
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
we're
looking
at
a
future
penny
for
that,
along
with
the
sports
complex,
the
concession
roof
replacement
priority
number
one
funding
it
out
of
the
money
this
current
year,
twenty
thousand
dollars
north
end
closed
some
cameras.
Ten
thousand
dollars
trying
to
fund
that
out
a
2024
general
fund
called.
D
That's
another
thing
to
note:
we
are
looking
for
a
maybe
a
whole
camera
price
of
all
the
cameras
put
together
and
the
pricing
for
all
of
them.
So,
although
it's
number
two
we're
not
looking
at
an
individual
we're
looking
to
see
the
fund,
hopefully
sooner
now,
we'll
still
be
working.
The
next
couple
months
of
the
budget
to
try
to
fund
those
cameras
where
they're
needed.
F
Okay,
we
had
the
cultural
center
wood
floor,
replacement
9000
priority
number
two
we're
looking
at
general
fund
2024
for
that
cultural
center
theater
upgrade
52
000..
We
had
that
as
of
some
future
penny
money
for
that
marina
piling
at
the
marina,
we
have
30
piling
replacements.
Looking
at
future
penny
money
for
that
security.
D
The
first
summary
is,
we
attempted
to
fund
all
number
ones,
and
a
lot
of
these
came
out
of
our
budget
meeting
the
first
budget
meeting
with
the
second
one,
not
the
pre
one,
but
the
last
one
came
out
of
we're
working
on
the
twos
and
some
of
the
other
ones,
and
this
is
updated
as
about
four
o'clock
today.
This
is
where
we
are
so
far.
D
A
Can
I've
got
a
question
on
on
the
on
on
the
it's
called
the
current
year
fiscal
year,
2022
capital
projects
could?
Could
you
remind
me
what
is
the
under
cra?
What
is
the
parking
for
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
D
Every
year
we've
talked
about
putting
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
away
into
a
parking
fund
for
future
parking
purposes.
So
that's
it
every
year
that
that's
accumulated
so
far
right,
we've
got
200
accumulated
so
far.
Another
100
would
go
this.
It
was
a
talk
of
every
year
to
put
100
000
in
to
reserve
away
for
future
parking
either
to
purchase
the
land
for
some
or
other
agreements
for
some
to
start
building
a
fund
up
for
the
future
of
parking.
Now.
D
D
D
I
think
it
was
at
the
end
of
the
time
limit
for
something
to
be
done
with
it,
but
I
saw
the
workers
out
there.
The
other
day
and
price
was
going
up.
A
D
A
D
Talk
to
everybody
individually,
to
ask
questions,
updates,
maybe
something's
important
to
you
that
we
that
we
didn't
have
on
there.
So
again,
a
lot
of
this.
If
you
look
and
remember,
we
listened
to
what
you
said
the
last
meeting
and
we
tried
to.
We
tried
to
deal
with
it
as
best
we
could
with
what
we
had
now.
A
No,
no,
I
I
think
that
you
all
it's
excellent
work.
There's
no
question
I
mean
I
wish
I
would
have
printed
some
money
along
with
these
lists,
so
I
mean
we'd
have
been
happier
so,
but
I,
I
guess,
there's
a
number
of
commissioners
that
came
up
with,
for
example,
commissioner
eisner
with
the
the
soft
money
for
residents
and
things
like
that.
If
there's
some
information
that
could
be
obtained
to
pass
on.
A
D
D
That
or
your
it
is
just
it'll,
be
very
diff.
I
haven't
we
have
thought
about.
We
have
thought
about
how
we
would
do
this
and
again
taking
our
experience
from
the
simple
business
one
which
was
not
simple.
It
was
very
tough
and
there's
people
mad.
We
didn't
give
people
hadn't
opened
their
business
in
seven
years.
We
said:
well,
you
haven't
even
been
open
business,
we're
not
giving
to
you
and
they
raised
all
kind
of
cane
and
all
of
us
heard
the
repercussions
from
it.
It
wasn't
pleasant.
D
So
it's
just
an
administrative
thing
that
we
still
have
to
think
about
how
in
the
heck
we'd
set
criteria.
Do
it
judge
it
and
not
be
scrutinized.
A
D
A
Maybe
we'll
feel
a
little
better
after
the
strategic
plan
meeting
in
in
about
a
week,
or
so
I
think
it's
early
august
right,
it's
next
thursday,
next
thursday,
maybe
we'll
get
a
better
feel
for
you
know,
energizing
us
a
little
bit
more.
A
H
A
G
G
I
A
D
A
D
Think
the
first
thing
in
item
three
miscellaneous
we
should
do
is
probably
talk.
The
the
bond
talk
about
the
the
bonds
you've
got
a
copy
of
his
his
proposal.
That's
not
it
no.
D
By
the
way,
I
want
to
tell
you,
when
project
administration
is
still
there
for
questions
this,
one
that
we
won't
be
going
over.
I
gave
you
the
update
of
the
project,
that's
the
update
to
date
of
nick
finished
up
this
morning.
This
is
where
we
are
now.
That's
just
for
information
for
you
for
later
on
for
projects
yeah,
so
so
ron.
D
The
first
item
in
miscellaneous
we
want
to
talk
about
is
what
you
researched
from
the
last
meeting
and
wanted
to
give
some
information
about
a
subject
that
we're
going
to
have
to
talk
about
with
all
these.
You
know,
with
these
things
out
there,
the
bonds
so
go
ahead
and
they've
got
if
we
don't
have
it
to
go
on
the
screen,
but
you
have
it
in
front
of
you.
So,
okay.
F
Well,
you
know,
I
think,
when
you're
overlooking
all
these
projects
and
the
cost
and
everything
I
think
you
know-
maybe
a
couple
of
year
mentioning
you
know,
bonds
and
financing
and
that
so
got
back
and
I
go.
Let
me
what
I'm
going
to
end
up
getting
to
is
really,
I
just
curious
to
find
out
what
are
what
rates
are
out
there
right
now?
But
I
just
I
before
that
pay
that
slide.
I
decided
to
give
you
just
a
little
history
of
you
know
what
debt
does
the
city
have?
F
You
know
we
try
to
limit
the
amount
of
debt
you
know
for
a
while.
We
just
had
the
water
plant
bond
issue
and
then
we
started
doing
the
fire
truck
leases.
It
was
some
advantages
to
those
low
interest
rate
and
it
helped
free
up
some
money
in
the
in
the
penny
fund
by
allocating
it
out
over
five
years
with
the
fire
truck
leases.
F
So
that's
the
first
slide
is
a
water
plant
bond
issue,
the
original
amounts
and
the
principal
outstanding
and
the
same
with
the
fire
truck
police
is
the
three
of
those
the
original
amount
of
the
lease
and
then
the
what
principles
outstanding.
As
of
september
30
2022,
I
won't
go
through
those
but
and
then
some
some
things
I
was
going
to
mention
is
you
know
we
try
to
keep
it
like
a
debt
financing
at
a
minimum.
F
F
Bond
issues
versus
revenue.
Note,
you
know
bond
issues.
A
lot
of
times
are
more
preferable
for
things
items
over
10
million
in
the
longer
term,
depending
on
type
of
bond
issue,
whether
you
do
general
obligation
or
revenue
bond.
But
there
is
you
know:
there's
some
higher
issuance
costs
and
higher
interest
rates.
There's
bad
revenue
notes.
We've
done
those
before
as
bank
qualified.
F
F
Banks
are
in
the
interest
tax
free,
that's
why
they
like
to
do
them,
and
then
they
also
provide
a
lower
interest
rate
due
to
being
tax
exempt
and
there's
less
issuance
costs
and
then
the
final
slide.
When
I
got
with
our
financial
advisor,
you
know
just
trying
to
list
to
get
some
idea
whether
where
the
rates
were,
if
he
wanted
to
do
five
million
over
five
years,
the
rates
are
coming
at
three
and
a
quarter
percent.
F
The
average
annual
pr
p
I
principal
and
interest
would
be
1.1
million
a
year
total
interest,
497
000
and
then
the
total
debt
service
five
point,
almost
5.5
million
and
then
on
the
far
right
side.
I
put
you
know
just
for
reference.
How
much
is
that
of
the
of
the
total
revenues
of
the
penny
fund
as
31,
and
then
I
did
5
million
for
8
years,
it's
3.3
percent
interest.
F
Average
annual
pni
would
be
721,
000
total
interest,
770
000.,
so
total
debt
service
would
be
5.5
million,
770
000,
but
since
you're
going
over
a
longer
term
with
5
million,
it's
21
of
the
penny
revenues,
and
then
I
asked
for
a
10
million
dollars
over
five
years.
That's
three
and
a
quarter
percent
average
annual
p.
I
would
be
almost
2.2
million
total
interest.
F
995
thousand
dollars
total
debt
service
of
ten
million
nine
hundred
ninety
five
thousand
dollars,
but
that
was
more
of
the
penny
fund
is
more
63
percent
of
the
revenues
would
be
used
for
for
financing
the
10
million
dollars
over
five
years
and
then
10
million
dollars
over
eight
years,
as
3.3
average
annual
p.
I
1.4
million
total
interest,
1.5
million
and
total
debt
service,
11.5
million,
and
that
ended
up
being
about
41
of
the
penny
revenues
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
the
revenue
note
that
would
be
based
on
me
back
by
the
penny
fund.
F
If
you're
wondering
why
I'm
using
10
years
the
penny,
the
current
penny
term
expires
in
2030.
So
I
really
you
don't
really
want
to
go
past
2030.,
I'm
hoping
you
know,
the
penny
gets
renewed
again.
It's
been
renewed
four
times
now,
but
that's
why
that's?
Why
I'm?
Using
eight
years
there
just
mentioned
the
current
penny.
F
Annual
revenues
are
3.5
million
to
increase
about
a
hundred
thousand
per
year
and
the
issuance
cost
from
the
financial
advisor
for
all
these
would
be
about
fifty
thousand
dollars,
and
that's
mostly,
your
bond
attorney,
your
city
attorney
fee
and
your
financial
advisor
fee,
and
then
some
bank
costs
make
up
at
fifty
thousand
dollars,
and
that's
my
presentation
on
that
is
this:
for
your
information.
A
Ron,
let
me
just
give
a
hypothetical
here:
it's
probably
not
anything.
That
is
a
question
or
anything,
but
just
to
give
you
an
example.
If
we
go
down
that
last
line
ten
thousand
over
eight
years
and
the
total
interest
over
that
eight
years
is
1.54
and
let's
say
we
borrowed
10
million
dollars
to
do
a
10
million
dollar
project.
A
If
we
had
borrowed
this
money
eight
years
ago,
for
example
and
completed
it
eight
years
ago,
I
would
think
if
we
had
to
do
that
same
project
today,
probably
two
or
three
times
the
cost
of
what
we
would
have
done
eight
years
ago,
which
is
what
I've
been
talking
about
and
and
and
all
the
interest
would
have
been
if
the
numbers
would
apply
to
eight
years
ago,
was
the
one
and
a
half
million
dollars,
instead
of
maybe
the
project
costing
25
to
30
million
dollars.
A
If
we
waited
today
to
do
it,
I
I
don't
know
what
the
projections
are,
but
I
know
there's
people
that
do
that
for
a
living
as
far
as
looking
you
know
kind
of
they
own
crystal
balls,
we
don't,
but
you
know
they
kind
of
do
that
for
a
living,
and
I
think
we
need
to
at
least
kind
of
look
at
that.
From
that
perspective,
that's
all
I'm
saying
I
don't
think
things
are
going
to
get
any
cheaper.
A
A
Be
whatever
yes,
I'm
not
a
we've
got
us
well
he's
gone
now,
but
we
had
a
cpa
in
the
in
the
audience
and
he
could
have
answered
that.
But
but
but
that's
that's
an
excellent
presentation
and
it
kind
of
at
least
helps
me
put
things
a
little
perspective.
I
just
want
to
share
that
with
the
commissioner
vice
mayor
lunt,
do
you
have
anything
to
to
offer.
A
F
I'm
sort
of
happy
to
say
we're
on
the
low
side.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
cities,
they
go
out
for
financing
on
a
lot
of
items.
So
that's
why
we've
always
you
know
until
the
water
plant
we
really
didn't,
have
any
debt.
You
know,
then
we
got
did
the
water
plant
and,
like
I
say,
and
the
other
thing
has
just
been
the
three
fire
trucks
right
now.
One
of
them
will
be
paid
off
and
and
two
more
payments.
But
if
we're.
A
E
Yeah
thanks
mayor,
so
I
don't
take
debt
lightly
in
any
way,
but
the
mayor
was
right
on
when
I
was
the
same
thought
process
that
I
have
if
you're
looking
at
a
10
million
project
or
let's
say
three
projects
that
cost
10
million
dollars
collectively,
that
need
to
be
done.
If
you
want
to
kind
of
scatter
them
out
over
the
next
10
years,
that
money
is
going
to
cost
significantly
more
than
what
1.5
or
million
dollars
in
interest
is
going
to
cost
too.
So
I
totally
understand
that
I
would
like
a
little
more.
J
E
From
some
it's
not
not
the
decision
to
be
made
tonight,
but
it's
something
that
I'm
totally
for
looking
into
further.
If
I
understand
this
correctly,
so
if
I'm
looking
on
the
far
right
side
ron,
let's
just
use
a
five
million
dollar
one
over
eight
years,
it
would
be
21
of
the
penny
would
have
to
go
back
to
repay
that
loan
payment
correct
well,.
F
E
Right
so
I
mean
I,
I
would
love
to
look
into
this
further.
I
think
it's
an
important
thing.
I
mean,
I
think
it's
prudent.
What
the
board's
doing
is
looking
at
how
to
tackle
some
larger
projects
that
are
going
to
cost
more
in
the
future.
So
whatever
we
can
do,
I
know
we've
got
a
great
resource
sitting
right
here
in
the
audience
from
our
budget
advisory
committee
chair
here,
so
I'd
love
to
hear
from
them
a
little
bit
further,
but
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity.
E
We
really
need
to
dig
into
to
try
to
make
some
of
these
assets
or
try
to
upgrade
some
of
these
assets
that
we
have
throughout
our
city.
Thanks.
A
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
I
think
city
manager
the
course
will
take
care
of
that
present
it
to
the
budget
advisor.
Yes,.
H
I'm
in
agreement-
sorry,
you
know
as
much
as
I
don't
want
to
borrow
into
the
future.
H
I
don't
see
any
choice
and
you
know
it
is
not
going
to
get
cheaper.
A
If
we
need
to
get
these
things
done
and
they're
big
chunks
of
money
to
get
them
done,
I
don't
know
that
you've
got.
I
mean
this
is
a
way
of
doing
it,
and
and
and
otherwise
you're
still
going
to
need
the
same
amount
of
money
in
the
future.
I
mean
it's
that
amount
of
money.
It's
not
going
to
get
any.
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
get
you
smaller
and,
like
I
said,
if
it
does,
if,
if
the
money
does,
we
got
other
problems
that
we'll
be
using
that
money
for
not
how
to
make
improvements?
A
H
H
No,
but
if
things
do
get
better,
you
can
re,
you
can
take
out
another
bond
and
pay
this
down
correct
that
at
a
possibly
a
cheaper
rate,
yeah
or
refinance
it
or
something
yeah.
So
you
know
I.
I
do
think
that
if
you
have
to
do
the
choice
between
good
bad
and
evil,
I
mean
you
kind
of
have
to
do
the
evil
right
now.
That's
my
take
I
understand.
Thank
you.
F
E
F
I
A
That's
all
I
have
on
that
one.
You
want
to
go
to
the.
D
Only
other
thing
I
want
to
do
in
miscellaneous
is:
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
something
that
we'll
deal
with
in
meeting
two
meeting
three
and
by
the
way
that
date
has
to
be
has
to
be
august
18th,
because
there
is
no
other
date
that
it
can
be
and
and
because
some
of
the
things
I'm
going
to
say
right
now
and
talk
about
with
salaries,
are
on
the
agenda
for
august
23rd.
So
there's
going
to
be
some
turnover
from
the
input
I
get
on
the
18.
D
remember
this
is
the
mean
it
was
going
to
be
the
11th
but
the
florida
league
of
cities,
so
that
cheap?
That's
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
so
so
that
I
want
to
talk
about
the
next
sheet.
You
got
and
it's
based
on
the
the
last
meeting,
and
you
know,
we've
done
the
staggered
pay.
I
put
the
staggered
pay
in.
I
don't
know
how.
D
Many
years
ago,
we've
been
doing
a
lot,
but
I
looked
at
the
at
the
at
the
concept
and
I
know
we
got
you
know
the
one
of
our
commissioners
looked
at,
but
I
looked
from
a
reasonable
aspect
of
what
we
could
do
to
get
some
added
pay
to
the
lower
paid
salaries.
There's
a
lot
of
criteria
you
look
at.
It
ended
up
coming
even
on
the
other
side
that
wasn't
by
design
to
get
like.
You
know,
below
35
000
35
to
45.
D
That
was
not
by
design
because
usually
has
to
be
somewhere
in
between,
because
you
got
to
look
for
gaps
in
personnel,
because
if
you
make
a
change
of
a
different
percentage
with
the
gap,
that's
smaller,
then
you
got
people
who
are
making
less
than
somebody
jumping
over
someone.
Somehow
this
gap
where
this
would
work
and
be
financed,
fell
at
that
the
employees
under
35
and
employees
between
35
and
45
000.
What
I
projected
you
see
the
number
of
employees
on
each
of
those
the
additional
increase.
D
Besides
the
five
percent-
and
this
is
the
formula
that
was
coming
up
with
you-
see
on
the
totals-
it
would
be
an
additional
general
fund,
which
is
what
you
know,
the
other
funds-
we've
got
money
we've
got
money
in.
We
have
to
worry
about
the
always.
The
worry
is,
what's
going
to
add
to
your
general
fund,
it's
35
7.99.
D
D
But
we
can
talk
plenty
about
that,
because
that's,
I
think,
that's
going
to
be
the
number
one
on
the
agenda
for
the
next
budget
meeting
on
the
18th,
the
sheet
that
I
don't
have
on
here,
and
it's
just
based
on
the
last
two
days
yesterday
with
the
mayor
and
I
with
the
police
union
this
morning
for
myself
and
the
fire
union,
I'm
sure
you
saw
that
article
about
tampa
and
probably
hillsborough
county
is
going
to
follow,
and
we've
been
talking
about
the
issues
among
our
city
manager
group
about
public
safety
pay.
D
We
know,
in
fact
I
told
ron
several
months
ago.
We
need
to
be
ready,
because,
when
this
contract
is
up
next
year
with
these
rises
that
are
occurring
with
contracts,
that's
ending
before
us,
we
are
going
to
be
way
behind
the
eight
ball.
We're
going
to
be
behind
we're
not
going
to
be
on
always
talking
about
wanting
us
to
be
on
the
good
side
of
the
middle.
The
median
yeah
we've
always
tried
we're
never
the
highest
paid
public
safety
or
any.
This
is
citywide,
we've
always
gone
by.
D
We
don't
want
to
be
we're,
not
the
highest
paid
and
we're
not
the
lowest
paid,
but
we
just
want
to
be
a
little
bit
on
the
left
side.
The
good
side
of
of
me
that
is
going
to
take
a
tremendous
effort
last
year
and
both
unions
and
talking
to
them
wants
a
possible
and
they
know
the
contracts
closed.
They
can't
reopen
the
country,
but
I
had
a
talk
with
a
few
of
you
about
what
can
we
do
for
public
safety?
I
said
well
we're
going
to
deal
with
that
next
year.
D
D
What's
our
starting
now
jefferson
52.,
they
just
raised
the
ante
for
and
pinellas
was
already
working
and
we've
already
know
the
pinellas
figures
of
where
we're
going
to
behind
the
sheriff's
sheriffs
tomorrow
and
and
some
of
the
cities
and
the
and
the
cities
that
are
on
in
our
in
our
state
where
the
contract's
not
up
this
year,
but
next
year
or
knowing
wow
we're
going
to
be
way
behind.
D
One
two,
three,
I'm
sure
the
request
is
three,
but
some
were
alone
and
it
wouldn't
have
to
open
the
in
essence,
it'd
be
a
memorable
understanding
where
we
see
the
deficit
and
before
we
get
to
the
contract
negotiations
next
year,
we
got
to
make
up
a
little
bit
of
a
deficit
for
our
sting
there.
It's
something
we've
been
asked
for
something
we
want
to
consider
and
I'll
be
getting
you
numbers
between.
This
is
just
you
know,
happened
in
the
last.
D
Well,
one
two
or
three,
the
additional,
what
their
rate
in
the
contract.
It
would
be
looking
at
additional
one,
two
or
three
percent.
In
addition,
in
addition
to
what
the
contract
says
now,
which
is
very
unusual
but
read
the
tampa,
article
you'll
start
seeing
the
other
cities
talking
about
where
they're
going
to.
D
We
are
going
to
fall
october,
1,
where
we're
going
on
that
bad
side
of
middle,
and
I
know
we
got
we
have
next
year
to
make
it
up,
but
we
also
have
a
period
of
a
year
where
we
may
start
losing
people
to
what's
happening.
D
With
all
that's
going
on
with
the
with
the
with
the
cost,
I
couldn't
believe
my
boy
wanted.
A
just
a
little
box
of
velvet,
macaroni
and
cheese
was
4.98.
I
used
to
buy
the
family
size
and
some
extra,
but
that's
just
an
example
of
everything
else.
So
it's
my
macaroni
and
cheese
argument
there
just
may
be
something
we
need
to
seriously
think
about
doing.
D
That's
kind
of
out
of
the
ordinary
but
and
I'll
have
the
numbers
to
do
it,
and
I
just
want
to
prepare
you
and
talk
with
each
of
you
before
the
next
budget
meeting
right.
A
Just
just
so,
for
everybody
I
mean
I
I
was
asked
to
meet
with
the
president
of
their
union
and
and
also
we
brought
city
manchester.
Of
course.
Of
course
he
was
for
the
police
union
chief,
young
and
as
well.
A
What
they're
asking
for
is
5
gross
wage
increase,
which
is
what
is
in
a
plan.
Right
now
is
a
two
percent
and
then
they're
asking
for
an
additional
three,
so
it
would
be
a
total
of
five.
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
that's
what
the
request
is.
That's
for
the
police-
and
I
know
you've-
got
to
deal
with
the
fire
department
and-
and
I
I
think,
what
the
city
manager
is
going
to
provide,
use
a
couple
of
options
in
that
as
well.
D
G
D
A
I've
got
a
few
things
to
save
upon
youtube.
You've
got
commissioner,
you've
got
a
memorandum
in
there.
Did
you
want
to
address
that
or.
I
Well,
I
want
to
look
at
these
numbers
and
then
I
don't
I
don't
have
I
don't
have
ability
to
project
the
numbers
I
had
suggested
onto
a
you
know,
format
if
staff
could
help
out
that
that
would
be
great,
but
I
think
this
is
a
great
start
to
where
we're
going
to
try
to
look
out
for
the
lower
level
following
rank
individual.
So
I
appreciate
it.
D
A
Okay,
I've
got
some
things
to
talk
about
if
we
could
excuse
the
staff.
A
There's
there's
there's
several
things
that
happened
over
the
last
few
days
and
I
just
want
to
quickly
go
over
a
couple
of
items.
I
have
a
I've
got
a
packet
that
I
want
to
give
out.
A
What
I'm
looking
for
is
to
decide
when
you
would
want
a
new
city
manager
here
is
what
I'm
getting
at,
and
I
and-
and
you
know
the
earliest
from-
and
I've
had
long
conversations
with
the
city
manager
on
this.
The
earliest,
I
think,
would
that
the
earliest
that
I
would
ask,
would
be
september,
I'm
sorry
march
of
next
year
2023,
and
I
think
that
coincides
with
something
that
would
be
acceptable
to
the
city
manager
and
then
the
latest
it
would
be
sometimes
october
or
so
of
2023.
A
In
order
to
get
somebody
to
start
advertising-
and
I
think
the
45
represents
a
head
hunter
it'd
have
to
back
out
the
time
frame
based
on
what
a
reasonable
amount
of
time
would
be
to
start
a
search,
I
guess
is
what
I'm
getting
at.
So
I
I
would
like
to
hear
from
you
and
I
hope,
you've,
given
it
some
thought
as
far
as
what
month,
what
two
months
or
within
some
time
frame
that
you
would
be
looking
at
for
something
like
this.
A
I
want
to
be
very
specific.
I
wasn't
playing
about
it
last
time
and-
and
I
regret
doing
that,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
one
of
course
it's
still
that
that's
what
you
want
to
do.
I
mean
that's
what
everybody
had
represented,
at
least
except
for
commissioner
carr
again,
because
he
wasn't
campaigning
last
time
had
made
representations
that
it
was
a
it
was
a
campaign
of
change
and
that
this
was
one
one
change
that
commission
or
candidates
had
wanted
to
do.
A
A
I
should
also
say
that
the
other
part
of
this
is
that
there's
going
to
be
a
couple
of
months
of
overlap,
I
would
like
to
see
as
far
as
some
kind
of
a
turnover
and
keeping
the
city
manager
on
as
a
consultant
whatever
he
would
agree
to
do
in
that
regard,
and
so
that's
the
other
part
of
that
that
would
have
to
be
entered
into
the
budget
is
as
well
for
this
year.
So
that's
important
to
me
to
keep
him
here
for
that
purpose.
Commissioner
carr,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to.
E
You
know
I
wasn't
prepared
to
talk
about
this.
I've
been
talking
about
with
mark
for
five
years
about
what
his
exit
is
going
to
look
like
right.
It
definitely
needs
to
be
a
transition.
I
don't
want
to
be
a
cold
cut.
A
E
A
All
of
that
is
to
me
that's
a
soft
decision.
I
mean
I
don't
have
any
hard
decision
on
it.
All
I'm
trying
to
find
out
is
that
this
is
what
the
residents
that
put
the
commission
in
wanted,
and
this
is
what
were
a
commitment
to
them
and
as
far
as
the
amount
of
transition
time,
that
is
that's
another
story,
but
we
need
to
find
something,
and
then
the
other
thing
too
is
I
want
to
make
sure
you
start
looking
that
doesn't
mean
you
find
somebody
right
away.
You've.
A
E
H
You
mayor
my
thought:
is
it's
very
difficult
to
do
a
transition
date
without
having
a
candidate,
so
the
sooner
we
start
looking
into
a
candidate
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
candidate
can
close
out
from
where
they
are.
H
H
Short
date,
I
would
go
with
the
march
or
april.
I
think
that's
fair
to
the
city
manager
as
well
give
or
take.
But
again
you
still
need
to
start
looking
almost
immediately
because
just
on
time
frame
you
know
so.
A
I
I've
stated
on
the
the
campaign
trail.
I
think
a
smooth
professional
transfer
would
should
happen
anywhere
between
12
to
18
months
after
the
new
board
I'll
stand
by
it,
which
would
really
put
us
at
somewhere
around
early
april,
but
maybe
two
three
months
in
between
there
and
the
next
budget
season.
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
put
out
the
the
search
or
start
working
with
headhunters,
probably
around,
I
would
say,
october
november.
I
A
Of
our
government
right,
what
I'm
I'm
getting
at
is
the
earliest
date
that
you
would
be
comfortable
with
having
somebody
on
board
that
my
suspicion
is
that's
going
to
be
optimistic
and-
and
you
know
that's,
but
that
would
be
a
target
date.
I
think
what
you're
maybe
a
misunderstanding.
What
you're
saying
is
that
that
might
be
okay,
but
realistically
it's
probably
going
to
be
the
october
time
frame
of
2023..
I
The
earliest,
what
I
would
say
would
be
april,
but
definitely
we
would
have
to
have
a
new
center
manager
before
the
next
budget
cycle.
A
The
earliest
okay,
yeah,
that's
and
that's
what
I'm
getting
at.
If
we've
got,
we've
got
the
two
union
contracts
that
need
to
be
negotiated.
A
We've
got
the
strategic
plans,
the
up
the
comp
plan
that
needs
to
be
implemented.
We've
got
a
few
complicated
things.
We've
still
got
this
stuff
to
be
ironed
out.
If
we're
going
to
be
borrowing
money,
that's
going
to
be
another
challenge,
so
I
would
say
at
the
extreme
earliest
the
april,
I'm
a
little
more
comfortable
with
later
than
that,
people
that
I've
talked
to
would
prefer
the
march
time
frame
at
the
very
latest
for
them.
A
But
I
I
I
and
I
respectfully
understand
what
they
say,
but
so
I'll
talk
to
you
about
that
a
little
more
tomorrow
and
then
we
can
go
from
there,
but
then
also
we'll
plan
on
two
three
four
months
of
you
know,
maybe
consulting,
maybe
not
maybe
a
month
here
on
premises
or
a
month
and
a
half
on
premises
and
then
another
couple
of
months
as
far
as
on
call
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
to
come
in
or
something
along
that
line.
H
Yeah,
but
I
wanted
to
you
know,
say
that
you
can
do
a
search.
You
don't
have
to
say
yes
to
anybody,
but
it's
good
to
test
the
water
out
there
to
see
if
there,
because
one
of
my
conversations
that
I
had
with
the
city
you're,
not
the
city
attorney
of
the
city
manager,
right
that
I
had
with
the
city
manager,
is
that
there's
no,
no
real,
there's
no
shot
and
you
you
need
to
know
test
the
water
to
see.
H
And
without
us
testing
the
water,
you
don't
even
know
how
to
how
to
go
forward.
So
that's
why
I'm
recommending
at
least
we
don't
have
to
say.
Yes,
we
just
need
to
start
a
search
to
see
and
we
don't
have
to
agree
to
it
right
now.
So
that's
that's
my
take
on
it
just
to
at
least
know
what
what
the
temperature
is.
G
A
Organization
has
its
own
network:
they've
got
their
own
people
that
are
looking
for
opportunities
as
follow-up.
You
know
looking
for
new
jobs
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
I
think
what
you're
saying
what
all
I'm
looking
for
is
a
date
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
as
far
as
what
type
of
person
you're
looking
for.
A
You
know
the
last
city
manager
that
was
hired
from
the
outside
was
actually
a
department
head
from
hopewell
virginia
and
I
think
that'll
that
worked
okay
for
a
couple
of
years.
But
then
you
know
after
that
it
didn't
work
out
and
there
were
some
issues
there
so,
and
I
think
that
that
was.
I
don't
want
to
talk
about
it.
A
The
lady's
gone
now
but
in
any
case,
there's
a
lot
of
work,
and
I
can
assure
you
whatever
we
do
from
my
perspective,
it's
going
to
be
done
right
and
it's
got
nothing
to
do
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
with
city
manager.
Of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
changes
that
are
going
on
as
far
as
the
city
goes
society.
The
whole
thing
there's
a
lot
of
other
types
of
types
of
skills
that
are
needed
for
managing
in
a
tough
environment
and
and
that's.
H
A
Going
to
be
gone,
someday
he's
going
to
be
going
whether
he
wants
to
or
not,
and
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
prepare
the
city
for
for
those
contingencies.
So
I'm
certainly
going
to
be
gone
in
two
years.
Okay,
so
we
got
that
one
settled.
A
I've,
given
you
two
excerpts
from
the
the
charter,
one
of
them
is
basically
the
the
city
commission,
their
role,
their
authority.
The
responsibility
in
the
in
the
budget
is
to
actually
adopt
the
bot,
adopt
the
budget,
of
course,
we're
all
policy
driven
and
then
the
other
section
is
out
of
the
city
managers,
which
he's
actually
responsible
for
preparing
the
budget,
and
I
think
I
I
thought
that
the
questions
tonight
were
very
under
they
were
outstanding
and
trying
to
get
a
feel
for
what
the
numbers
for
and
things
of
that
nature
again.
A
As
I
said
before,
we
were
talking
about
the
the
trailers
the
other
night
and
things
like
that.
The
the
employees
seem
to
have
a
pretty
good.
The
staff
seems
to
have
a
pretty
good
idea
of
what
they
need,
what
the
costs
are
and
I'm
always
reluctant
to
get
into
the
minutia
as
far
as
getting
into
the
specific
quantities
of
paper.
Just
as
an
exaggeration
and
things
like
that,
because
if,
if
that's,
if
we
push
the
staff
into
that
direction
and
something
doesn't
go
right,
then
basically
it's
it's
our
fault.
A
Whereas
up
until
that
point,
it's
the
administration's
fault
fall
problem.
If
you
will,
because
they've
got
to
actually
prepare
the
budget
and
present
it
to
us,
and
I
think
that
much
of
what
we
talked
about
was
policy,
and-
and
how
do
we
deal
with
all
of
these
things
that
the
residents
want
in
terms
of
priorities
and
things
like
that
that
it
was
really
good.
So
that
was
just
a
little
bit
of
a
reminder.
A
The
other
thing
is
that
I
spent
an
awful
lot
of
time
here
at
city
hall
and
and
I
and
and
it's
not
because
I'm
mayor,
obviously
I've
got
the
mayor's
office
and
I
meet
with
a
lot
of
people
too.
But
I
spend
an
awful
lot
of
time
talking
and
and
and
trying
to
understand
things
like
that,
with
with
access
as
city
manager,
of
course,
and
then
the
staff
that
that
he
provides
in
the
same
discussions
and
there's
a
whole
lot
of
issues.
A
If
you
remember,
during
the
campaign
that
we
had
talked
about
with
residents
and
things
like
that-
and
I
I'm
that's,
my
focus
is
to
try
and
plug
up
some
of
these
holes
that
we
have
in
that
have
fallen
by
the
wayside
in
the
next.
In
the
first
week
of
august
that
I
mean
first
meeting
in
august,
you'll
see
about
a
half
a
dozen
ordinances
and
a
variety
of
things
were
you
know
we
had
that
discussion
on
the
hotel.
A
Well,
obviously,
there's
a
problem
with
the
four
to
six
story
in
the
transect
5c
or
special
area
plan.
So
that's
going
to
be.
You
know
that
that's
we're
going
to
go
on
record
that
we're
going
to
change
that,
whether
we
do
or
not
at
least
we're
going
on
record.
So
if
somebody
else
pops
in
wants
a
six
story
hotel
by
right,
the
staff
won't
process
that
application
until
we
get
done
modifying
the
ordinances
on
that.
So
there's
things
of
that
nature.
A
There's
the
loophole
that
was
done
with
the
approving
the
include
harbor
apartments
on
a
conditional
use
were,
in
my
opinion,
should
have
been
done
through
the
land
use
change
process,
which
would
have
been
a
separate
ordinance.
That
would
have
been
a
legislative
act
rather
than
what
we
did
with
the
conditional
use,
but
also,
for
example,
I
also,
if
you
haven't
ever
looked
at
that
particular
conditional
use.
A
It's
a
conditional
use
without
any
conditions
on
it
and
it's
a
very
complicated
project
that
we
approved,
and
I've
always
found
that
interesting
and
I've
had
conversations
with
the
city
manager
and
and
the
planning
director,
and
she
gave
me
her
view
on
it.
I
understand
that
and
then
I
also
asked
the
same
questions
of
the
of
the
city
attorney
and
that's
the
third
item
that
I
gave
you
tonight,
which
is
the
memorandum
from
myself.
A
There's
an
email
chain
between
myself
and
the
city
attorney
and
and
and
he
kind
of
goes
through,
the
conditional
use
and-
and
my
concern
was
well-
where
does
public
safety
fit
into
all
of
this?
What
what
did
we
do
in
that
as
using
that
project
as
an
example
to
to
preserve
public
safety?
If
we
didn't
get
it
right
on
the
access
management?
A
A
That's
public
safety,
welfare
and
health,
and
the
answer
was
no
that
it's
not
in
the
conditional
use,
that's
in
there
and
and
there
isn't
any
way
that
you
can
do
it
through
the
approval
process,
because
we,
the
the
other
ordinance,
is
because
we
didn't
mention
it
there
either,
but
in
inferior,
but
he
did
say
there's
a
way
of
doing
it,
for
example,
if
if,
if
there,
if
it
becomes
a
problem,
certainly
the
city
manager
can
provide
create
some
kind
of
a
case
to
try
to
try
and
put
a
case
together
about
it's
it's
a
bad
situation,
but
then
all
we
do
is
we
tell
the
developer
and
fdot
to
address
it,
but
it's
not
tied
to
anything
concerning
the
development
permit,
no
conditional
use,
we
can't
go
in
there
rescind
anything,
it's
not
in
there.
A
A
He
is
what
he
is
he
he
he
he
does
what
he
does
and-
and
I
asked
him
to
explain
to
me
if
you
look
at
the
date,
I
asked
him
to
explain
to
me
what
he
thought
his
role
was.
Was
it
something
that
his
job
is
to
protect
the
city
or
is
it
his
job
to
keep
the
city
from
doing
something
stupid
that
might
endanger
the
residents
or
at
least
provide
some
safeguard
from
that
happening,
and
his
response
was
which
I
thought
was
terrific
and
I
wouldn't
have
thought
about
it.
A
He
says
my
role
is
what
the
charter
says.
My
role
is,
so
you
go
back
and
you
look
at
what
the
charter
says.
The
city
attorney's
role
is
and
he's
got
that
in
red
by
the
way
in
the
memorandum
it's
straightforward
he's
he's
he
just
he
just.
He
just
makes
sure
that
what
we
do
is
consistent
with
law
and
that
and
that
he
does.
You
know
the
form
as
far
as
the
contracts
and
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
he
doesn't
try
and
second
guess.
A
In
other
words,
we
may
ask
a
question
he'll
say
yes
or
no,
and
then
it's
up
to
us
to
do
a
follow-up
question.
If
we
really
want
to
explore
something.
So
if
you
see
in
this
you'll
see
my
memorandum,
I
accept
what
he's
saying
I'm
a
little
uneasy
for
about
that,
because
somewhere
along
the
line,
we
have
to
have
somebody
that
helps
a
commission
of
made
up
of
butchers,
bakers
and
candlestick
makers
to
understand
the
public
safety,
health
and
welfare.
A
In
other
words,
you
may
be
missing
something
that's
real
important
from
the
standpoint
of
the
residents,
I'm
getting
to
a
point
here.
So
so
it's
not
in
the
role
of
a
city
attorney
as
far
as
the
charter
goes
and
what
we
did
with
the
last
charter
revision
commission.
A
Is
we,
the
commission,
the
the
charter
revision
commission
at
that
time
felt
that
the
the
the
commission,
the
board
of
commissioners,
the
city
commission
needed
some
help
in
understanding
its
responsibility,
so
they
delineated
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff,
and
that
was
it,
and
the
residents
approved
that
in
this
particular
case,
I
think
we're
going
to
be
having
a
meeting
at
some
point
as
far
as
prospective
charter
amendments,
some
housekeeping
memorializing,
the
strategic
plan
and
things
of
that
nature.
A
But
this
may
be
something
we
want
to
think
about
as
far
as
adding
that,
as
far
as
a
responsibility
to
roll
to
the
city
attorney
or
some
other
way
to
make
sure
that
there's
there's
a
kind
of
a
an
oversight
function
to
make
sure
that
the
butchers,
bakers
and
candlestick
makers
don't
do
something
that
that
was
easily
overlooked
and
that
that
would
have
been
you
know.
In
other
words,
if
that
is
the
city
attorney's
responsibility,
a
city
attorney
could
be.
A
So
I'm
bringing
forward
the
the
conditional
use
change,
actually,
not
myself,
but
the
planning
director
and-
and
it's
just
it's
an
authorization
for
you
to
hear
what
she's
got
to
say
and
if
you
agree
with
it,
then
she's
going
to
go
forward
with
through
the
normal
process
of
creating
an
ordinance
to
bring
back
to
us
eventually
after
it
goes
through
the
pnc
board.
A
A
That
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say
as
far
as
where
I
was
coming
from
in
the
the
discussion
that
last
night
I
mean
the
other
night
as
far
as
the
attorney
and
the
last
thing
I
just
as
as
just
some
advice
I
know
sometimes
tarpon
is
very
challenging
from
a
political
perspective
and
if
you've
got
you
know
a
person
or
two
people
that
walk
up
to
you
and
tell
you.
Oh,
you
know.
A
So
we're
not
trying
to
second
guess
what
you
know,
what
what
the
issue
is
or
what
the
idea
is.
So
I
think
we're
all
doing.
I
I
I
like
the
all
the
commission.
I
think
we're
doing
an
excellent
job.
I
know
that
we're
all
still
trying
to
learn.
I'm
still
trying
to
learn
how
to
be
mayor
and
that's
all
I
wanted
to
share
tonight.
That's
all
I
don't
know
if
that's
it's
helpful,
but
that's
all
I.
I
have.
H
H
H
H
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
with
that,
so
I
think
for
him,
that's
a
good
way
to
do
it,
but
there
were
a
certain
number
of
things
in
my
conversation
with
him
that
you
know
he
he
treats
you
differently
than
he
treated
mayor
loses,
and
that
being
said,
I
still
want
somebody
there.
That
would
stop
anybody
from
hurting
the
city,
whether
it's
his
job
right.
A
H
His
job
or
not
because
there
are
other
people
and
I'm
just
using
erica
as
an
example,
she's
and
she's-
tried
to
run
a
meeting
and
override
the
chair.
So
you
know
he
has
this.
He
has
to
speak
according
to
the
whole
organization,
not
just
who
he
is,
but
he
has
a
lot
of
different
people
so,
but.
A
What's
ex,
it's
expected
of
you
not
just
to
say
well,
you're,
not
doing
what
I
want
you
to
do
and,
and
you
may
be
doing
what
you're
supposed
to
be
doing,
but
I
want
you
to
do
more.
That's
what
I
was
getting
at.
I
hear
answers
that,
I'm
not
I
don't
like,
but
it
I
think
it's
more
me
there's
a
way
of
dealing
with
this
stuff
in
a
very
more
objective
manner
and
give
the
opportunity
to
say:
okay,
well
we're
going
to
change
it
this
way.
A
If
you're,
are
you
okay
with
that
and
the
decision
who's
ever
in
that
position
either
it
is
or
it
isn't,
and
if,
if
they're
not,
then
that
you
know,
then
there
needs
to
be
something
done,
but
if
they,
if
there's
an
expectation
in
the
terms
of
a
job
description
that
they're
supposed
to
be
doing
this,
just
as
we
said,
keep
the
city
out
of
trouble
and
it's
not
being
done.
That's
a
problem,
and-
and
so
I
understand
what
you're
saying
what.
H
A
No,
it's
just
all
I
was
getting
at
I'm
not
talking
about
any
specific
person,
it's
just
who's
ever
there.
We
need
to
give
if
we've
got
some
idea
of
what
we're
looking
for,
and
I
think
that's
what
you're
saying
and
now
I'm
saying
there's
got
to
be
something
in
writing
to
tell
them.
This
is
what
we're
looking
for
at
least
to
give
an
opportunity
that
that's
what
our
expectation
is
and
if
that's
not
being
met,
then
that's
a
different
story.
That's
all
I
was
getting
at
so
good.
A
So
is
there
anything
else
on
the
agenda?
No,
that's
it.
Let's
go
to
staff
comments.
Chief
young
no
comment,
sir
city
manager.
Of
course
miss
minuses,
no
comment.
Let's
go
to
vice
maryland,
commissioner
carr
yeah.
E
There's
just
one
item
city
manager:
there's
the
non-mart
depart
the
mart
geez
departmental
portion
of
the
budget.
I
know
you
touched
on
that
last
budget
workshop,
but
I
don't
think
we
really
went
through
that
portion
of
it.
Are
we
going
to
do
that
next
meeting
or
we
should
do
that
individually
with
you.
D
H
A
I
you
know,
all
I'm
going
to
say
is
that
budgeting
is
a
complicated
matter.
I
I
think
our
staff
does
an
outstanding
job
in
putting
the
numbers
together
on
the
operational
side,
the
the
the
they
know
how
to
operate
their
departments
where
it
gets
a
little.
A
You
know,
mushy
is
in
in
the
project
side
and
those
are
really
priority,
different
driven
in
terms
of
what
the
residents
want.
What
our
needs
are
as
far
as
support
the
residents
like
public
safety,
for
example,
and
and
then
other
things
that
we
could
spend
x
amount
of
money
here,
but
the
residents
don't
really
care
about
that
or
we
can
spend
it
here,
the
same
amount
of
money
and
they
really
care
for
something
like
that,
and
I
think
that's
up
to
the
commission
to
provide
the
direction
to
the
city
manager
on
that.
A
So
we
need
to
spend
some
more
time
on
that
he's
got
some
ideas.
Senator
angela
course
said
he's
got
some
ideas
on
how
to
proceed.
We're
going
to
be
hearing
about
that,
but
you
know
we
talked.
I
I
think,
fundamentally,
there's
going
to
be
there's
some
very
important
things
that
aren't
going
to
be
they're
too
expensive,
they're
more
expensive
to
to
do
without
borrowing,
because
it
would
basically
eat
up
all
the
money
that
we've
got.
A
I
mean
you
know
to
disproportionately
eat
up
most
of
the
money
that
we've
got,
which
means
that
the
only
way
it's
going
to
get
done
as
a
package
is
to
probably
borrow
some
money
towards
that,
and
and
we
need
to
figure
that
out.
So
that's
all.
I
have
meeting
adjourned
at
10,
36.