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From YouTube: Board of Commissioners April 21, 2022
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Special and Work Session
A
A
B
I've
left
I've
gone
home
during
that
period
and
watched
the
meeting
and
still
been
able
to
comment,
but
there's
others
who
don't
even
have
the
opportunity
or
the
ability
to
come
to
hear
y'all,
speak
and
maybe
address
you,
but
I
want
to
talk
about
something
else.
This
is
something
that
I
had
brought
up
years
ago
myself
and
I'm
going
to
refresh
some
memories.
B
B
B
B
So
I'm
not
sure
what
has
to
be
done
to
go
to
the
federal
communications
commission
to
see
if
we
can
do
an
upgrade
in
our
license,
increase
the
power
such
that
we
can
expand
it.
If
you
listen
to
it,
it's
loops.
It's
loops
about
recycling,
hurricane
awareness
and
contact
in
the
city
24
hours
a
day
and
we've
got
lost
air
time.
B
B
A
B
E
Just
that,
as
you
saw,
I
sent
to
all
of
y'all,
probably
about
three
ish,
or
so
we
got
the
packet
done
for
the
congressman.
They
have
this
resolution,
they're
unsigned
they
approved
us
first
thing
in
the
morning.
Mr
robertson
is
going
to
send
that
so
they
can
replace
the
unsigned
one
with
the
signed
one
so
make
sure.
As
soon
as
this
item's
over
tom,
if
you've
got
to
pass
down
the
resolution
get
the
signatures
because
it's
going
to
be
exchanged.
A
A
I
don't
believe
there
are
any
I'd
like
to
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
resolution.
A
I'd
like
to
go
to
the
commission
for
discussion
now,
mr
our
vice
mayor
alon.
If
I
could
start
with
you,
please.
F
G
City
manager,
I
appreciate
the
work
that
the
staff
has
done
to
put
this
together.
I
know
it's
a
short
notice
that
you
had
to
pull
all
this
together.
So
thank
you
for
for
you
and
your
staff
to
to
do
this.
It's
good
to
see
that
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
are
trying
to
get
their
their
hands
on
some
federal
appropriations
or
earmarks
to
help
with
some
of
the
projects
around
town.
Thank
you.
D
Yes,
I
also
want
to
thank
the
staff.
It
was
a
flash
to
get
this
done
so
quickly.
I
need
to
comment
that
that
was
an
amazing
amount
of
literature
that
we
got
together
in
a
very
short
period
of
time,
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
project
that
I'm
looking
forward
to.
So
many
people
use
the
spring
bayou
I've
been
around.
It
really
has
been
let
down
for
quite
some
time.
So
I
also
want
to
thank
the
staff,
and
thank
you
mark
for
that.
I
appreciate
it,
commissioner
coolio.
B
C
You
mayor
yeah,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
city
staff,
for
putting
it
all
together
to
pack
it
fast
underneath
less
than
a
week,
and
I
also
want
to
say
thank
you
mayor
because,
originally
with
the
packet
that
project
wasn't
going
to
be
presented
and
now
got
presented,
that
congressman
was
able
to
select
it.
So
that's
great.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
I'm
happy
with
that
too,
as
in
addition
to
the
staff
which
have
done
an
excellent
job
on
this
I'd
like
to
thank
all
the
residents
that
turned
to
and
provided
their
letters
of,
support
that
needed
to
go
with
this
packet
and
anything
else
that
accompanied
that
there
being
no
other
comments
from
the
commission,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
roll
call.
Please.
A
A
A
A
Okay,
we're
going
to
go
ahead
right
into
the
agenda
this
evening
and
the
first
item
on
this
and
we've
got
a
scheduled
adjournment
time
of
about
9
45.
So,
let's
pace
ourselves
on
this
actually
9
15,
I
believe,
is
what
it's
at
9
15..
Yes,
yes,
thank
you
I'd
just
like
to
state
what
the
meeting
objective
is.
We've
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
here,
and
this
is
pretty
much
a
clearinghouse
of
things
that
came
up
during
the
campaign.
A
E
Just
that,
I
think
we
got
a
great
start
with
the
session
that
we
had
with
the
new
committee.
We
had
a
great
start
and
seeing
staff,
and
I
think
this
is
very
important.
We're
we're
ready
to
get
going.
We
know
there's
a
lot
to
do
in
these
times,
so
we're
ready
to
get
going
as
a
team,
and
I
think
this
workshop
tonight
will
get
us
to
get
us
together
on
that
path
and
we're
ready
to
hit
the
road
running.
E
A
Okay,
the
one
thing
I'd
like
to
come
out
of
this
work
session
is
these
items
that
we'll
talk
about
tonight.
A
I
don't
think
we
need
to
have
obviously
another
meeting
on
that,
but
if
the
city
manager
could
publish
and
send
us
a
memorandum
of
when
he
would
expect
to
have
these
items
back
before
us
for
action,
okay,
let's
go
to
number
two
rules
of
procedure
and
I'd
like
for
you
to
weigh
in
as
well
to
see
if
something's
been
missed,
but
the
items
that
I
had
were,
of
course,
zoom
remote
participation
by
video
and
also
telephone
public
comments
being
extended
from
four
minutes
to
four
minutes,
plus
an
additional
two
minutes,
or
some
variant
of
that
reading
emails
into
the
record
which
I've
discussed
with
the
city
clerk
and
that
seems,
doable
and
also
I'd
like
to
just
kind
of
tweak
one
or
two
others
on
that
at
at
least
the
one
thing
that
I
would
like
to
see.
A
Kind
of
narrowed
a
bit
is
what
any
commissioner
can
put
on
the
agenda.
I,
as
I
mentioned
to
you,
I,
of
course
all
of
this
is
for
discussion
and
it's
going
to
take
a
majority
to
approve,
but
we're
a
policy
making
board
and
I'd
like
for
us
to
stick
with
policy
and
anything.
A
That's
not
policy,
I
think,
could
be
worked
through
the
city
manager
with
binated
commissioners
and
some
process
be
established
there,
that
that
would
come
back
to
us
other
than
putting
out
an
agenda
and
and
and
talking
about
it
for
some
period
of
time
and
really
nothing
coming
out
of
it.
So
that's
all
I
have
vice
mayor
london.
F
My
comments
pertain
more
to
us
talking
a
little
bit
more
about
getting
zoomed
back
in
and
extending
the
time
period
for
people
to
discuss
and
that's
about
it.
Okay,
commissioner,.
G
Yeah,
I
mean
I
understand
the
zoom
and
phone
calls,
but
I
would
caution
the
board
about
emails
and
reading
emails
on
the
record.
It's
something
that
we
never
did
before.
Cobit
happened
at
times
a
board
member
would
read
an
email
into
the
record
if
they
felt
moved
to.
I
think
we
all
have
that
option
to
do
that
as
well,
but
a
good
example
would
be
what
happened
with
the
ankle
harbors.
Is
that
there's
two
or
three
hundred
emails?
G
And
we
have
something
like
that,
where
they're
all
similar
you're
running
into
a
case
where
it's
a
whole
night
of
emails
being
read
where
you
could
have
gone
through
and
said,
we
received
150
emails
for
200
against
something
along
those
lines.
So
I
just
would.
I
would
caution
the
board
on
that,
if
you're
looking
to
keep
the
meetings
at
a
more
reasonable
stature
or
time
frame,
because
at
that
some
at
that
point,
someone
could
really
sabotage
the
meetings
pretty
quickly
by
sending
emails
for
every
item
and
have
them
be
four
minutes
long.
G
I
just
want
to
bring
that
to
your
attention
and
I
would
caution
to
not
have
that
as
an
option,
but
the
commission
ourselves
can
have
the
option
if
they
wanted
to
read
something
in
the
record.
We
could
do
that,
but
not
every
single
one
of
them
again.
It's
in
the
record.
I
think
the
city
attorney
can
can
share
that
when
it's
submitted
it's
put
into
the
record
if
it's
submitted
to
this
clerk's
office
or
the
requested
that
way,
but
I
would
just
that
would
be
my
one
opinion
on
this.
D
D
Yes,
we
could
say
there
were
65
emails
of
all
you
know
against
in
general,
but
I
think
we
should
pull
out
any
of
the
emails
that
are
unique
to
the
other
emails,
because
people
still
have
the
right
to
get
their
input
in
on
this
particular
project.
I
think
that
we
do
need
to
make
sure
that
the
people
have
their
say.
It's
not
us,
it's
them.
So
that's
my
feeling
on
that.
D
D
A
A
Listen:
okay!
Well,
we're
again!
I
what
I
envision
this
process
going.
Is
that
myself
personally,
I'm
open
to
everyone's
recommendations.
A
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
communication
with
the
staff
and
see
how
they
feel
about
it
and
also
give
them
a
sense
of
where
you
are
on
this
and
let
them
develop
some
kind
of
a
response
and
bring
that
back
to
us
for
action
and
further
discussion.
We're
not
going
to
decide
anything
this
evening
or.
D
Consensus,
this
is
just
a
discussion.
Well,
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
throw
out.
There
was
what
makes
a
decision
a
quasi-judicial
decision
versus
a
regular
legislative
and
that's
something
I
wanted
to
get
some
input
from
the
city
attorney
number
five
modifications
when
something
is
brought
up
on
the
agenda
to
the
city
manager.
D
A
I
I
think
I
think
the
way
it's
going
to
generally
work
is
that
it's
going
to
be
up
to
you
and
he
I
think,
if
it's
something
that
there's
very
few
new
ideas
here
at
in
city
government
sure
and
mr
mulkers
has
been
here
a
long
time.
Some
of
the
other
staff
has
have
been
here
a
long
time,
mr
smith,
for
example-
and
I
think
maybe
if
they
can
share
some
background
with
you
and
and
maybe
give
you
a
different
perspective
on
it.
A
Maybe
then
or
if
you
share
something
new
with
him,
and
I
think
city
managers
see
some
value
in
it.
We're
going
to
see
that
in
front
of
us,
but
it's
just
a
give
and
take
and
and
of
course
he
can
always
provide
a
summary
memorandum
on
anything
that
comes
to
him.
It's
just
creating
a
process
that
we
can
do
to
try
and
save
us
some
time
here.
A
But
I
again,
I
think,
we're
for
the
next
month
or
two
we're
going
to
be
a
work
in
process
in
in
order
to
establish
these
procedures.
But
but
it's
a
good
idea.
That's.
C
You
mayor,
I'm
all
for
bringing
back
zoom
the
courts
are
still
using
zoom,
so
I
think
it's
a
great
example
for
us
to
have
zoom
as
well.
I
would
ask
that
we
also
present
the
boc
meeting
of
facebook
live
no
one's
gonna,
we're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
interact
with
them,
but
just
the
more
exposure
the
better,
and
we
want
to
get
our
meetings
out
to
as
many
people
as
possible.
C
So
something
to
consider
regarding
public
comments.
I
would
suggest
that,
if
you're
at
home
from
zoom
that
you
have
two
minutes
to
talk
on
an
item,
I
believe
we're
going
to
be
one
of
the
most
public
inclusive
boards.
There
is,
and
people
are
going
to
have
more
confidence
than
never
to
come,
speak
on
a
lot
of
topics
I,
for
one,
did
take
advantage
of
being
able
to
speak
at
many
agenda
items
to
speak
as
long
as
I
can
to
at
times
prolong
the
meetings.
C
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
do
have
business
to
handle.
We
have
a
lot
of
business
talk
about
in
tarpon
springs.
We
want
the
public
to
be
included
throughout
the
whole
process,
but
we
need
to
do
it
in
a
timely
manner
and
there
are
going
to
be
a
lot
of
topics
where
people
are
going
to
come
up
and
have
the
confidence
to
tell
us
how
they
feel
on
those
items
and
regarding
emails
as
well.
C
I
would
like
for
them
to
be
no
longer
than
two
minutes,
because
I
do
believe
that
people
will
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
it
and
if
most
of
you
know,
on
the
campaign
trail,
we
had
to
answer
some
of
the
toughest
questions
in
less
than
a
minute.
So,
if
you're
saying
it
from
the
comfort
of
your
home,
I
think
two
minutes
is
more
enough
to
drive
your
points.
Home
still
keep
you
included
and
have
your
focus
ready
and
just
for
the
agenda
preparation.
C
A
Thank
you,
I'd
like
to
give
the
staff
an
opportunity,
a
city
manager,
of
course,
do
you
have
anything
you'd
like
to
contribute
to
this.
E
Well
again,
I
think
all
the
items
you
mentioned
we
could
do
what
would
be
nice.
You
know
just
and
staying
within
our
time
frames
is
to
get
the
consensus
of
what
we're
looking.
I've
heard
some
some
good
things.
Obviously,
as
you
see
from
our
testing
the
new
agenda
and
putting
time
limits
on
them,
sometimes
we're
going
to
be
close.
E
Sometimes
we're
going
to
be
way
off
for
different
reasons,
but
obviously,
if
we
want
to
start,
you
know
we
want
to
get
through
the
meetings
before
a
late
time,
and
we
know
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
we
have
to
stop
a
meeting
at
7
30
to
go
to
the
the
hearings.
The
ideas
I've
heard,
such
as
the
two
minutes
from
the
from
the
zoom,
calls
the
two
minutes
from
the
reading
those
sorts
of
things.
E
I
think
that
would
be
good
to
make
that
objective
and
we
kind
of
get
some
consensus
of
where
we're
at.
I
think
we're
pretty
much
consistent
on
on
zoom
and
and
for
the
boc
meetings.
You
know
we
can
have
that
that
happen
as
we
get
the
rule
written
and
get
into.
May
that's
not
a
problem
for
the
blc
for
for
this
meeting.
We
can
get
that
together
and
you
know
some
of
the
rest
of
the
things
to
get
in
place.
E
If
we,
if
we
had
a
fast
consensus
of
what
we're
looking
forward
to
put
together
for
for
a
meeting
to
approve
the
different
things
the
times
and
what
you
want
to
do,
we
could
we
could
start
on
that.
You
know
right
away
if,
if
we
kind
of
get
an
idea
collectively
what
we're
looking.
Obviously
when
we
get
to
the
meeting,
if
you
want
to
change
anything,
if
there's
a
change
in
it,
you
know
a
time
frame
or
something
else.
E
B
I
have
nothing
to
add,
I'd
be
happy
to
do
whatever
the
direction
you
give
us
we'll
get
it
done.
B
One
thing
I
would
remind
you
this
is
a
resolution,
and
so
now
that
the
rules
of
procedure
are
out
of
your
code
book,
you
can
change
them
meeting
the
meeting
if
you
want
to
so
so
the
resolution
preparation
is
going
to
be
very
easy
to
make
these
changes
whatever
you
will
give
this
direction
on
so
hopefully,.
A
We
won't
get
to
the
rules
du
jour
approach
on
this
thing.
Okay,
let's
move
on
to.
G
Mayor,
yes,
so
the
city
manager
asked
for
some
clarification
on
these
items
tonight.
Did
we
want
to
go
through
and
and
tell
him
or
do
you
want
to
as
a
board
say?
This
is
what
we
feel.
A
A
I
I
think,
well
the
four,
the
four
main
ones
that
I
mean
and
I'm
just
sharing
things
from
the
from
the
campaign
trail,
which
was
the
remote
participation
by
zoom
video
or
by
telephone.
A
The
public
comments
increasing
the
amount
of
time
for
that,
the
emails
being
read
into
the
record
and
then
and
then
the
the
narrowing
the
what
we
can,
what
each
commissioner
can
put
onto
the
agenda
from
a
from
a
policy
perspective,
but
those
are
the
four
I
heard
a
couple
of
others
that
came
up.
A
I
know
you've
got
some
points
that
you'd
like
to
make,
and
commissioner
carter
to
city
attorney,
I'm
sorry,
city
manager,
la
course,
and
I
I
think
that's
pretty
much
all
I
wanted
to
do
just
to.
I
think
he
hears
what
we're
saying.
A
G
A
It
again
right:
well,
the
resolution
will
be
subject
to
approval
and
tweaking
as
we've
done
in
the
past,
but
hopefully
before
we
get
to
that
point.
The
resolution
will
be
in
your
hands
and
then,
whatever
you
see
in
it,
you
can
have
conversations
with
the
city
manager
on
that
before
we
actually
come
to
the
commission
meeting
with
it.
G
Okay,
there's
one
thing:
I
think
if
I
could
bring
up
as
well
communication
to
the
board
or
other
people.
I
think
the
way
the
rules
read
now
it
has
to
go
to
the
city
manager
and
the
city
manager
sends
it
out
right.
A
I
I
the
answer
is
that
I
understand
and
I'm
really
open
to
that.
There
were
some
reasons
why
it
was
done
that
way
and
and
I'd
like
to
throw
something
out
as
to
why
it
was.
I
think
it
was
related
to
agenda
items
additional
information
for
agenda
items
before
the
commission
meeting.
I
may
not
recall
correctly,
but.
G
A
B
A
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
disagree
with
you
on
that
either.
So,
let's
move
on
to
number
two,
the
commission
meeting
process.
I
just
want
to
run
through
these
things
that-
and
these
are
pretty
much
things-
that
I've
kind
of
listed
here,
a
through
f.
The
time
management
would
be
what
you're,
seeing
right
now
being
published
with
our
agendas,
and
hopefully
we
can
stick
with
those.
A
The
defer
items
is
something
that
I
really
feel
strongly
about.
If
we
get
into
an
agenda
item
and
we're
really
struggling
on
it,
we
really
break
through
that
estimated
time
and
we're
just
kind
of
struggling
with
coming
up
with
a
consensus
before
we
vote,
I
really
think
we
need
to
defer
that
item
and
that
needs
to
go
back
and,
and
the
commission
individual
commissioners
spend
time
with
the
staff
and
and
kind
of
collect
their
thoughts
on
it,
get
a
little
better
idea.
A
Let
the
staff
share
some
ideas
and
then
maybe
when
we
come
back
and
and
pick
up
on
it,
we'll
have
a
clearer
picture
of
what
we
want
to
do
with
that,
rather
than
struggling
and
then
being
forced
to
make
a
decision,
because
because
it's
on
our
agenda
that
night,
so
that's
the
idea
behind
that
the
the
presentations.
A
I
think
the
city
manager
asked
you
during
the
orientation.
Would
you
like
to
see
more
backup
and
then
less
of
a
less
length
in
the
presentation?
Or
would
you
like
to
see
less
backup
and
and
more
in
the
presentation,
more
information,
the
presentation.
B
A
A
So
I
I
think,
that's
important.
The
parliamentarian
is
the
city
attorney.
A
He
is
the
person
that
clarifies
whether
we
can
do
something
or
not-
and
you
all
know
tom
trask
and
then
there's
something
I'd
like
to
at
least
discuss,
and
I
don't
even
even
know
if
it's
feasible-
I've
not
heard
back
from
the
staff
yet,
but
there
is
such
a
thing
as
waiving
quasi-judicial
procedures.
I
know
the
city
attorney
will
probably
weigh
in
on
this
at
some
point
in
the
future.
A
It's
just
a
thought
that
on
some
of
these
really
really
simple
things
that
really
don't
need
to
have
a
full
structure,
quasi-judicial
process
that
we
spend
more
time
on
the
procedure
than
we
do,
the
actual
discussion
and
everything
there.
There
is
a
waiver
process,
at
least
I've
seen
in
some
florida
cities
that
that
could
accommodate
streamlining
that,
but
that's
something
I'd
like
for
at
least
for
us
to
explore.
That's
all
I
had
on
these
on
the
commission
meeting
procedures
and
let
me
go
to
vice
mayor
lund.
First
on
this.
F
I
don't
really
have
too
much
comment
on
time
management.
I
think
we
all
agree
that
we
want
to
move
things
along.
We
don't
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
unnecessary
time.
Structuring
comments
and
motions,
I
think,
is
what
I've
I've
seen
in
the
past.
As
far
as
being
able
to
defer
items,
I
think
that
that
should
stay,
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
done
every
once
in
a
while
when
we
don't
have
enough
information
or
when
the
motion
just
just
doesn't
seem
to
sit
well
at
the
time.
F
As
far
as
presentations,
I
fall
on
the
more
backup,
shorter
presentation
time.
One
comment
to
the
plan
or
to
the
city
planners.
I
would
love
to
see
more
detail
up
on
that
screen
than
than
I
can
see.
Sometimes
it
tends
to
be
a
little
bit
fuzzy
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
a
process
of
the
computer
interface
or
the
whether
we
need
to
replace
the
actual
projector
or
whatever,
but
it's
it's
difficult
for
me
to
see
and
and
I'm
sure
it's
difficult
for
others.
F
As
far
as
robert's
rules,
I'm
I'm
the
rules
guy.
So
I
really
like
it
as
a
matter
of
fact,
if
you
all
want
I'm
talking
to
the
rest
of
the
commission
here,
I
have
copies
of
robert's
rules
and
abridged
versions.
If
you'd
like
them.
Just
ask
me:
I
don't
want
to
insult
you
by
saying
free
this.
It's
a
pretty
heavy
slog,
but
if
you
want
them,
I
have
them
I'd
be
glad
to
give
you
a
copy
of
either.
Okay.
F
Both
can't
see
much
about
paulie
parliamentarian
from
mr
trask
the
ability
to
waive
quasi-judicial
procedures.
F
G
Thanks
mayor
I'll,
skip
down
to
presentations,
there's
a,
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
to
enhance
some
items
to
honor
individuals,
honor
business
owners
and
honor
property
owners
throughout
tarpon
springs.
We've
done
this
a
few
times
in
the
past
few
years.
I
kind
of
went
away
with
covid,
but
it
gives
us
a
chance
to
honor
somebody.
For
instance,
I
think
it
was
mitch
wilcox
who
came
at
one
point
christopher
still
again.
G
We
have
a
lot
of
people
that
invest
a
significant
amount
of
money
in
in
the
buildings
that
have
successful
businesses
here
that
employ
a
lot
of
people.
I
think
that
would
be
a
great
opportunity
to
at
least
and
it'd
be
a
couple
minutes.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
very
long
to
take
the
time
and
honor
those
individuals,
business
owners
or
property
owners
going
to
a
staff
presentation
or
a
presentation
from
a
third
party
about
an
item.
I
would
prefer
to
have
as
much
backup
as
we
can.
I
think
that's
the
best
case
situation.
G
A
From
his
experience,
thank
you
for
that
comment.
Proclamations
are
coming
back
to
pre-covet
when
we
used
to
do
those
so
on
a
variety
of
different
recognizing
special
weeks
and
things.
Commissioner
eisner.
D
I'm
in
agreement
to
what
I've
just
been
listening
to
from
vice
mayor
and
from
commissioner
carr,
and
my
big
difference
is
on
the
deferring
items.
D
The
only
thing
I
would
ask
to
be
considered
is
if
there
is
a
time
frame
or
a
time
constraint
on
the
person
who's
presenting
to
you
to
us
that
we
kind
of
look
at
that
as
well
before
we
go
to
defer.
That
would
be
pretty
much
it.
A
What
what
I'm
talking
about
are,
for
example,
like
ordinances,
that
that
we
need
more
information
on
that.
We
need
more
information.
We
really
don't
have
the
policy
exactly
what
we
have
said
on
our
minds.
The
residents
are
up
there,
giving
us
a
different
perspective
that
we
hadn't
thought
about,
and
maybe
that's
something
that
would
be
need
to
go
back
to
spend
a
little
more
time
with
the
drawing.
C
Mayor,
I
agree
with
everything
just
regarding
city
staff
presentations,
I'm
probably
the
outlier,
where
I
say
more
backup,
more
presentation.
There,
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
stuff
coming
up
in
the
future.
I
believe-
and
these
presentations
might
take
time,
so
I
don't
want
to
rush
through
certain
city
staff,
presentations
or
or
be
expected
to
on
them,
but
everything
else
I
agree
with.
E
Yes,
I
gave
to
you
an
example
tonight
what
looks
like
that
may
change,
because,
but
here's
an
example
of
of
that.
You
have
a
new
desk
of
the
meeting
that
we
have
tuesday
again
there's
time,
there's
time,
estimates
on
each
of
them
and
the
important
thing
to
recognize
from
these
and
is
hopefully
we
can
get
through
some
of
the
things
that
kept
the
meeting
going
till
late
and
and
asking
for
the
11
o'clock
extensions.
E
I
think
the
most
important
thing
is
the
recognition
that
we
have
a
place
for
agenda
items
in
rough
draft
form
or
in
another
form.
For
instance,
everything
that
happened
on
the
planning
and
zoning
board
meeting
on
monday
night
is
already
on
that
draft
agenda.
Now,
not
the
not
the
part,
that's
going
to
come
to
you
from
us
from
the
meeting,
but
what
the
planning
and
zoning
saw.
So
you
could
get
a
head
start
in
your
preparation
on
those
items
and
anytime
they
come
in.
E
It's
important
to
look
and
look
at
the
draft
agendas,
because
there's
a
lot
of
material
they're
posting
we're
going
to
post
more
of
it
there.
So
again,
you
get
some
more
time,
as
was
mentioned
some
more
time
to
look
at
the
materials
and
we're
going
to
try
to
get
on
them
as
fast
as
possible
when
those
agendas
come
out
as
they
did
today.
E
You
know
send
it
to
me
during
the
weekend,
however,
because
the
ones
come
in
the
weekend
first
thing
monday
morning.
I
send
it
and
say
here
are
the
mayor:
commissioners:
we
need
to
contact
about
your
items
and
stuff
or
if
you
need,
I
need
another
item
of
backup,
there's
an
item,
a
backup
that
I
don't
see
in
there
that
I'd
really
need-
or
I
think
would
be
an
advantage
to
the
rest
of
the
board.
Then
then
we'd
prepare
and
get
that
get
that
additional
backup
to
so
contacting
us
getting.
E
As
I
said,
I
said
before
most
of
the
time
on
the
consent
agenda.
If
I
don't
hear
from
anybody
on
the
commission,
then
I
don't
have
that
department
head
here
now,
probably
80
of
the
time
that
department
head
is
here
for
some
of
those
other
items
on
the
agenda
so
they're
already
here,
but
but
if
I
don't,
I
usually
don't
have
them
there.
E
So,
if
there's
anything
especially
on
consent
that
you're
going
to
need
to
talk
about
or
have
somebody
there,
I
need
to
know
so
I
make
sure,
if
they're
not
in
a
special
consent
or
in
the
other
end
that
I
have
those
people
there
at
the
meeting,
but
again
we're
we're
ready
as
soon
as
that
agenda
comes
out
on
thursday
to
be
prepared
to
get
you
information
talk
to
you
personally
and
do
everything
we
can
up
to
that
tuesday
6
30
meeting,
so
that
helps
and
saves
a
lot
of
time
and
questions
for
each
of
these
items.
E
So
that's
how
to
keep
the
agenda.
Like
you
see
for
the
meeting
on
tuesday
night,
that's
gonna,
that's
gonna
be
essential,
and
the
only
other
note
from
what
I
heard
is
is
we
just
got
to
remember
on
proclamations
we
probably
get
100
150
on
every
topic.
That's
hopefully
there's
some
process
of
selecting
the
more
local
based
ones.
What
we're
doing
to
keep
the
agendas
right
is
we
there
would
be
a
proclamation.
E
The
mayor
would
do
up
or
to
form
one
for
a
certain
cause,
or
you
know
you
know
something
we'd
do
it
up
and
we
still
the
mayor
would
would
send
that
forward.
So
a
procedure
for
those
type
of
things,
the
ones
that
are
here
local-
are
involved
in
local
ones.
Like
I
know
the
first
one
we'll
see
back
on
the
agenda,
that's
local
based
to
bring
those
forward
because
again,
remember
all
that
comes
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
7
30.
E
We
go
to
public
hearings,
so
you
might
eliminate
a
lot
of
these
items
to
the
end.
If
you
do
that,
so
hopefully
we'll
look
at
the
ones
because
believe
me,
you'll
see,
the
mayor
will
see
and
you'll
see
proclamations
for
for
everything
coming
through
here
and
there's
ones.
We
can
send
acknowledgement
that
one's
especially
involving
local
officials,
again
local
people,
local
groups,
that
we
can
bring
here
and
do
so
to
look
at
that.
E
But
I
think
if
we
follow
that
process
of
the
agenda,
you
get
the
information
as
soon
as
you
see
it
of
what
you
need,
who
you
need
to
talk
to
and
then
you'll
be
receiving.
The
calls
or
if
it's
a
meeting
or
a
phone
call
from
that
department
head
or
myself
and
we'll
try
to
answer
the
questions
before
that
tuesday
night
meeting
and
I
think
that'll
go
a
long
way
towards
the
things
we
can
control.
Obviously,
there's
going
to
be
things
control.
E
We
can't
control
in
the
meeting
of
time,
but
those
are
things
we
can
control
and
hopefully
you
know
we'll
work
to
do
better
on
on
the
backup.
So
you
have
all
the
information
there
and
don't
have
to
call
us,
but
if
you
do
we're
ready
to
mobilize,
even
if
you
see
something
on
the
draft
agenda
from
the
planning
and
zoning
board
and
whoa,
this
is
going
to
be
an
issue
and
you
want
to
talk
way
before
the
agenda
comes
out
about
it.
Just
get
with
me
and
most
time
it'll
be
renee.
E
A
All
right,
thank
you,
city,
clerk
jacobs.
I.
B
I
definitely
have
some
current
concerns
relative
to
the
waiving
the
quantitation
procedures.
I
know-
and
I
have
I
will
have
comments
on
that,
but
you
know
the
main
thing
is:
is
that
if
a
state
statute
requires
it,
I
I
really
don't
like
waving
it.
If
the
code
requires
it,
I
don't
like
waving
it
if
case
law
requires
it.
I
don't
like
waving
it,
but
the
bottom
line
is
even
if
the
parties
waive
it
both
the
city
and
the
applicant
most
the
time
under
the
law
that
can
be
done.
B
But
then
we
always
need
to
remember
that
there
are
always
those
other
third
party
affected
or
interested
parties
that
are
not
part
of
the
consent
of
that
waiver
and
therefore
we'd
still
be
required
to
give
them
the
opportunity
to
present
facts
and
evidence,
and
testimony
and-
and
so
I'm
not
sure
how
much
we
would
actually
be
able
to
save
time
if
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
protect
their
rights.
So
just
some
thoughts
when
we
move
forward
and
get
deep
dig
a
little
bit
deeper
into
that
right.
A
A
The
only
thing
I
wanted
to
say
on
this
is
that
I
do
know
that
many
of
us
have
other
activities
outside
of
our
normal
commission
meetings
and-
and
I
think
I'm
learning
from
the
city
attorney
now
that
I'm
in
this
seat,
some
of
the
things
that
happen
here
that
have
been
that
that
are
not
allowed
to
happen,
because
this
auditorium
is
reserved
for
commission
meetings
and
things
like
that.
A
So
I
want
to
try
and
stick
to
as
few
meetings
as
we
can,
but
certainly
enough
to
have
to
conduct
the
business
of
the
city
and
also
the
the
one
thing
is.
I
don't
particularly
want
to
completely
eliminate
one
night
or
two
nights
or
three
nights
of
a
week
every
week,
because
all
of
us
in
one
way
or
another
have
a
conflict
of
interest,
but
but
that's
something
we
can
deal
with
and
I
think
the
city
manager
can
talk
with
each
of
you
privately
about
that
and
kind
of.
A
F
Unfortunately,
sometimes
we
have
our
time
to
walk
before
those
come
out,
and
you
know
we'll
just
have
to
work
around
it
as
best
we
can.
Okay,
I'm
good.
B
A
Okay
city
management,
of
course,
anything.
E
No
just
that
that
we
we
gave
you
the
schedules
of
meeting
stuff,
the
biggest
thing.
That's
the
that
some
of
the
hindrance
from
other
meetings
again
are
the
performances
and
a
lot
of
times
why
we
can't
do
a
wednesday,
thursday
or
friday
and
again,
these
meet.
The
meetings
that
are
held
in
the
auditorium
here
take
precedent,
but
usually
a
lot
of
times,
especially
if
it's
the
big
performances
their
rehearsal
times
and
stuff.
E
So
I
not
only
have
to
look
at
this
schedule,
but
we'll
have
to
look
at
the
rehearsals
times,
but
there
are
availabilities
on
some
weeks
and
sometimes,
as
you
see
even
some
of
the
projected
budget
meetings
you
see,
for
I
think
august
or
weather
some
of
them
are
on
thursday.
Night
seems
to
be
a
night.
E
You
can
squeak
like
this,
like
tonight,
thursday
night,
every
once
in
a
while,
you
can
squeeze
in,
especially
when
there's
no
performances
that
have
to
be,
but
usually
why
the
thursday,
sometimes
the
wednesday
meetings
can't
be
held,
is
because
of
the
because
of
the
rehearsals
that
they
do,
but
usually
before
friday,
saturday
and
sunday
show.
But
we
do
try
to
do
the
tuesday
nights
have
always
been
reserved
from
everybody.
E
Everybody
involved
in
the
city
stage,
meetings
and
stuff
knows
that
tuesday
night
is
meant
for
this
board.
Even
the
off
tuesdays
are
meant
for
this
board
and
nobody
scheduled
things
on
those.
That's
why
tuesdays
are
always
open,
but
again,
there's
those
other
days
on
the
schedule,
like
the
thirds-
and
I
don't
know
if
it
has
anything
to
do
with
the
the
third
to
last
thirds
they're.
However,
it
falls
when
you
look
at
all
these
meetings,
but
there
are
other
times
available
to
do
things
that
we
can
adjust.
E
I
think
one
of
the
important
things,
especially
what
happened
last
board
and
with
the
meetings
of
course,
we
got
all
this
strategic.
All
these
meetings
coming
up
is
if
everybody
could
could
get
with
me
as
soon
as
you
know,
a
schedule
issue
you're
going
to
be
out
of
time,
even
if
it's
not
affecting
if
you're
looking
and
say.
Oh
I'm
out
of
town
here,
it's
not
affecting
my
commission
meeting.
E
If
one
of
these
meetings
or
something
is
brewing
to
come
up,
if
I
know
your
schedule
of
where
you're
going
to
be
you're,
going
to
be
out
of
town
the
first
week
of
july
or
something
even
even
if
it
doesn't
affect
a
presently
scheduled
meeting
to,
let
me
know
so-
I
can
counter
it.
So
if
something
comes
up
and
we
have
to
have
a
meeting,
I
can
see
oh
wait
a
second.
We
can.
We
need
to
move
it
to
here,
because
you
know
because
the
effort
is
is
to
get
everybody
to
meeting
now.
E
Has
last
time
is
some
time
on
the
schedule.
There's
no
possibility
to
do
that
and
somebody
has
to
miss,
but
you
know
we
don't
like
that
to
be
the
case
we
like
to
have
everybody
here,
so
so,
wherever
you
know,
obviously,
if
you're
just
going
for
a
weekend,
we
we're
not
going
to
have
meeting
on
the
weekend,
but
anything
that
includes
a
weekday
instead
of
you.
Just
let
me
know,
I've
got
a
little
calendar
and
then,
when
those
things
come
up
are
the
needs
for
the
meeting.
E
You
know
I'll
know
in
advance
that
you're
going
to
be
gone
and
don't
set
it
or
even
some
other
events
we
might
set
that
you
might
want
to
be
at.
We
don't
want
to
set
that
ribbon
cut
or
that
dedication
for
that
that
monday,
because
somebody's
going
to
be
out
of
town
through
tuesday.
F
E
That's
good,
but
just
remember,
remember
that's
why
you
know
a
lot
of
people
get
phone
numbers.
I
give
my
email
because
my
email
goes
to
my
home
phone,
my
home
phone,
my
my
cell
phone,
my
home
computer,
my
work
computer,
it
goes
everywhere,
so
I
so
that's
the
thing
that
catches
my
attention,
usually
the
soonest
even
from
a
call,
sometimes
so,
but
but
sharing
the
calendar
is
perfect
too.
For
those.
E
B
A
Okay
on
number
five,
I'm
going
to
just
start
with
the
city
manager.
Here
you've
got
a
schedule
in
the
back
up
and-
and
I
think
you've
talked
a
little
bit
about
that
already.
Is
there
anything
else
additional
that
you
would
like
to
add
in
that
regard?
Mister
the
course.
Let
me
get
that
up.
E
Again,
we
always
post
these,
and
these
are
tentative,
so
these
aren't
necessarily
set
for
most
of
them.
The
only
ones
to
worry
about
that
are
by
statute
is
when
you
get
to
september,
there's
issue
when
you
get
to
those
hearings,
there
are
statutory
time
frames
when
you
got
to
do
so
september.
Is
the
only
ones
on
here
that
that
we
we
won't
be
able
to
do
a
lot
of
adjustment
with
for
statutory
reasons
again.
This
is
a
good
place
to
look.
E
If
there's
any
anticipation
of
being
gone,
then,
then,
to
let
me
know
the
thing
we
added
based
on
it
was
talked
about
last
budget
year,
and
I
know
from
what
I've
heard
for
this
commission
again
we're
getting
a
good
feel
of
this
commission
and
where
they're
going
was
a
meeting
a
little,
almost
a
pre
there's,
always
the
three
budget
workshops
with
the
commission,
usually
starting
mid-july,
but
we
we
have
slated
one
and
I
put
to
be
determined
because
we
got
so
many
meetings
with
the
company.
We
we
have
to
try
to
look
and
see.
E
When's
was
available
is
to
get
the
commission
involved
even
earlier
as
a
pre-budget
workshop,
and
a
lot
of
those
things
in
this
pre-budget
workshop
in
june
is
to
talk
about
some
of
these
items
on
when
you
see,
b,
c
and
d
would
be
to
to
bring
those
to
bring
some
things.
You
want
to
look
at
at
the
budget
during
the
time,
and
during
may
is
when
I
meet
with
the
departments
on
their
budget
and
budget
advisory
committee
goes
through
it
for
you,
but
we
want
it.
E
Usually
the
time
sits
and
then
we
put
everything
together
and
prepare
for
you
in
july.
We
want
to
bring
you
in
in
june
on
this,
so
we
can
get
more
input
from
where
the
commission
wants
to
go,
and
I
think
that'll
save
from
some
of
the
extra
workshops
we've
got.
We
we've
done
the
budget
in
one
budget
workshops,
but
the
last
several
years
we've
had
three
and
almost
needed
a
fourth
one.
E
So
I
think,
if
we
add
this
early
one
and
get
a
lot
of
your
input
early
in
what
I
call
a
pre-budget
workshop,
I
think
I
think
we
it
can
it'll
go
a
little
faster
before
so
that's
one
change
that
you'll
see
on
here
and
again
that
meetings
to
talk
about
the
different
things
we
have
here,
we're
all
learning
the
community
priorities
for
improvements,
we've
seen
them
in
the
surveys
we've
done
and,
and
we
kind
of
know
some
place
we
want
to
go.
E
We
really
want
to
gear
on
this
budget,
about
what
we're
hearing
from
the
public
and
and
structure
that
sometimes
it's
hidden
in
the
budget,
sometimes
we're
doing
things
the
budget
wants,
but
it's
hidden
somewhere
in
a
public
works
or
in
in
beautification.
We
want
to
emphasize
those
more
so
the
public
knows
we're
listening
to
them.
E
Iran
is
there
to
put
those-
and
you
know
not
hidden,
hidden
contingency
money
but
places
where
in
the
budget
that
are
identified-
and
you
see
150
for
miscellaneous
stuff.
That's
for
that's
for
items
that
come
up
items
that
change,
which
could
be
many
different
things.
So
we're
we'll
talk
about
more
openly,
so
everybody
realize
what
that
money's
there
for
and
is
there
for
the
needs
that
may
come
up
during
the
budget
year.
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
b.
C
and
d
are
what
we're
going
to
emphasize
in
our
processes.
E
As
we
go
through
my
meetings
with
the
department
and
our
meetings
with
the
budget
advisory
and
again
culminate
with
an
early
meeting
with
the
board,
a
commission
pre-budget
workshop
to
go
over
all
those
things,
get
input
for
you
where
to
go
and
then
hit
the
road
running
for
a
for
a
budget
to
begin
the
budget
workshops
right
around
the
middle
of
july.
That's
our
plan
now
in
any
input
or
anything
else,
I'm
very
receptive
to
okay.
A
F
A
F
A
This
is
for
the
budget
number
five.
Oh.
G
G
I
appreciate
the
the
board
having
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
the
the
city
manager
and
meet
as
a
free
planning.
That's
something
we've
lacked
in
the
past.
I
think
it's
a
good
move.
G
One
thing
I
do
want
to
talk
about
when
you
talk
about
community
priorities
for
improvements,
we
have
to
be
careful
because
we're
elected
to
represent
the
whole
city
at
times
it
could
be.
We
have
five
or
six
very
loud
individuals
who
want
to
see
one
project
done,
but
we
really
have
to
balance
that
and
say
is
this
what's
best
for
the
whole
city
and
what
the
current
needs
for
the
city
at
the
time.
G
A
couple
things
I
just
want
to
bring
up
on
the
budget
side
is,
I
would
hope,
to
see
that
we
see
some
type
of
sanitation
reduction
in
admin
fees
that
we
reflect.
The
millage
rate
with
the
property
values
increases
so
hopefully
we'll
see
a
decrease
there
and
that
will
make
it
a
important,
an
initiative
to
replace
as
many
water
pipes
as
possible
that
are
cast
iron.
So
thank
you.
A
A
And-
and
you
could
you
know,
please
weigh
in
with
the
city
manager,
okay,
commissioner
eisner.
D
The
only
thing
I
have
is,
I'm
gonna
have
to
work
out
some
scheduling,
that's
pretty
much
it
one
that
I
have
on
this.
C
A
Okay,
all
right,
miss
jacobs.
I
have
nothing
to
do.
I'm
gonna
check
with
you
anyway,
mr
trask.
Anything
no.
B
A
B
A
A
few
future
charter
amendments
there
were
a
couple
of
housekeeping
ones,
already
been
taken
care
of
with
the
with
the
election
scheduling.
A
There's
some
department
head
titles
that
we
need
to
clear
up
with
the
requirement
of
the
department
heads
living
within
the
city
limits
and
then
also
something
that
would
match
what
we
did
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
its
update.
Something
with
this
strategic
plan
is
basically
what
I
was
thinking
along
that
line.
A
I
don't
know
and
I'll
talk
to
mr
trask
separately
about
this
as
far
as
whether
we
need
to
convene
the
charter
revision
commission
for
something
like
that
or
if
the
commission
wants
to
address
other
things
in
the
charter
that
they
think
that
it
needs
to
be
changed,
but
I
think
what
we're
going
to
have
is
probably,
until
early
fall
to
kind
of
come
up
with
what
those
changes,
or
at
least
those
that
we
would
present
to
the
to
the
residents.
A
That's
all
I
have
on
on
that
one
again.
It's
my
interest
would
just
be
the
memorializing
the
strategic
plan
and
also
requiring
priorities
be
published
every
year
that
stem
from
what
the
public's
needs
are
coming
from.
The
strategic
plan
for
the
budgeting
process
vice
mayor
carr,
I'm
sorry
vice
mayor
lund,.
A
Yes,
it
it.
We,
the
the
city
charter,
has
a
process
that
we
go
through,
that
we
did
one
two
years
ago,
but
there's
some
new
things
that
have
come
up
like
the
strategic
plan
in
order
to
preserve
that
kind
of
guarantee
that
that
will
continue
on
in
perpetuity
in
the
future.
That
may
be
something
that
we
won't
want
to.
A
We
would
want
to
put
in
the
charter
as
a
requirement
directing
the
city
government,
the
residents
actually
approving
it,
which
in
turn
directs
the
city
government
to
make
sure
it's
it's
updated
period,
one
that
we
have
one
and
number
two,
that
it's
updated
periodically.
That
was
done
for
the
comprehensive
plan,
which
is
required
to
be
updated
every
three
years
now,
three
years
yeah
and
I'm.
G
I
mean
if
we're
sending
anything
to
election,
I
think
we
should
really
as
a
board,
look
through
this
and
see
what
other
items
we
want
to
recommend.
So
that
would
be
my
only
recommendation.
A
D
D
Yeah,
I'm
in
agreement
that
we
do
have
to
look
through
this
and,
at
the
same
time,
aren't
we
recommended
by
the
advisory
board
from
the
strategic
plan
charter.
A
Revision,
yes,
it's
kind
of
that's
kind
of
a
sledgehammer
approach
and
maybe
required
that's
going
to
be
the
city
attorney's
going
to
weigh
in
on
this.
I'm
not
sure.
Maybe
I
could
talk
to
him
or
maybe
he
could
kind
of
tell
us
very
briefly
this
evening,
how
that
is
going
to
work
and
or
at
least
just
give
us
a
quick
snapshot
as
far
as
his
sense
on
it.
But
the
answer
is
yes
that
and
then
that
would
require.
A
Probably
you
could
reconvene
or
since
there's
a
major
change
in
the
commission.
You'd
probably
want
to
pre
reappoint
a
new
commission
for
looking
at
it.
I
mean
that's
my
guess,
but
it's
very
premature
to
me
even
be
talking
about
that
at
this
point.
So
but
that's
all
I
have
all
right.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Cudio.
No.
A
B
The
process
would
be
to
prepare
an
ordinance.
The
ordinance
would
have
two
public
hearings.
It
would
not
become
effective
until
the
referendum
takes
place
and
it
is
approved
at
the
referendum,
like
we've
done
in
the
past.
B
As
for
any
any
particular
item,
you
know,
I
don't
have
any
comments.
I'd
be
happy
to
review
any
of
them
that
have
come
forward,
but
I
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
you
don't
have
to
convene
a
charter
review
committee
to
move
forward
with
your
own
charter
review
changes.
Okay,.
A
The
whole
idea
is
just
to
give
that
some
thought
at
this
point
make
a
decision.
It's
some,
I
you
could
speak
to
city
attorney
trask,
it's
a
it's
a
complicated
process,
it's
an
easy
process,
but
the
bottom
line.
Is
you
get
the
residents
to
approve
whatever
they
want
that
you
propose
from
the
charter
revision
committee
when
it
comes?
If
you
don't
use
the
charter
revision,
commission
and
the
commission
puts
it
forward.
If
it's
simple
enough,
I
don't
think
that's
any
big
deal.
A
The
one
that
was
done
for
two
years
ago
was
basically
just
a
broad
look,
a
comprehensive
look
at
the
entire
charter,
which
I
think
was
about
a
six
or
seven
month
process.
I
don't
think
that
is
what
we're
talking
about
here,
but
we
can.
A
Minor
revisions
yeah
just
something
straightforward-
that
you
would
think
is
obvious,
but
you
never
know
yeah,
okay,
all
right!
Well,
that's
all!
I
had
on
the
future
charter
amendments,
the
prospective
property
purchases.
Let
me
just
give
you
a
5,
000
foot
altitude.
Look
on
this
thing,
there's
some
that
you
see
in
your
backup
four
of
them.
One
of
them
is
just
a
an
opportunity
sort
of
purchase.
That's
coming
out
of
a
project,
that's
being
developed.
I
don't
know
that.
I
mean
if
you
were
interested.
A
We
could
briefly
talk
about
that
tonight,
but
it's
a
work
in
progress
and
at
the
staff
level,
the
others
are
somewhat
things
that
have
come
up.
I
know
that
the
city,
for
example,
this
the
disposal
pond
site
city
manager,
gave
me
an
accounting
of
the
total
that
we've
spent.
I
can't
quite
remember
what
that
number
is.
Do
you
remember
that
it
was
about.
E
We
had
to
spend
before
the
grant
kicked
in.
Obviously
we
had
to
secure
the
site
so
there's
a
period
of
probably
a
year,
four
months,
five
months
or
something
that
we
had
to
pay
from
penny
money.
But
then,
once
we
got
the
state
grant,
the
state
grant
is
we'll
pay
and
of
course,
obviously,
we've
got
a
long
way
to
go.
We've
got
a
ways
to
go,
hopefully
not
long,
but
we've
got
a
ways
to
go.
That
grant.
There's
still
plenty
of
grant
money
before
we
have
to
dip
into
other
funds
to
do.
A
We,
the
marine
commerce
committee
that
had
convened
to
help
with
the
chart
the
river
dredging
had
actually
recommended
to
purchase
a
site
it
was
leased
instead
thinking
it
was
a
little
easier
to
to
do
this
and
it
didn't
turn
out
that
way.
It
land
is
like
mark
twain,
said
by
land
and
they
ain't
making
it
anymore.
So
that's
something
to
think
about
to
bring
back
that
and
bring
that
on
the
table.
Another
one
is
a
mini
park,
a
chorus
park.
A
F
F
F
A
A
Yeah,
in
other
words,
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
if
we
move
ahead,
that
may
be
something
we
would
want
not
want
to
do,
because
you
would
wind
up
rebuilding
it,
hauling
dirt
back
on
there
to
rebuild
and
spawn
the
pond,
but
but
there's
a
there's,
a
dynamic
to
all
of
that,
and
and
and
basically
it's
just
something
to
talk
about,
and
the
reason
why
and-
and
these
are-
these
are
properties
that
I've
mentioned
here
and
they're
also
listed
in
the
in
the
backup
up
the
boat
ramp
is
another
one.
A
It's
not
making
any
kind
of
decisions.
The
very
first
step
would
be
to
talk
about
these
and
whether
they're
a
good
idea
and
then
to
authorize
the
city
manager
to
pursue
getting
just
basic
information
on
it
and
bringing
that
back
as
whether
they're
even
feasible
or
not
from
doing
a
little
bit
of
design
work
price
wise.
The
whole
thing,
the
the
one
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
that
a
lot
of
the
deficiencies
that
we're
talking
about
right
now
that
some
of
these
would
satisfy.
A
We
have
a
whole
lot
more
or
very
land
dependent,
we're
90,
built
out.
We've
just
been
kind
of
not
doing
much
in
terms
of
property
purchases.
We've
had
some,
but
it's
it's
ever
it's
getting
much
much
more
difficult
to
even
believe
that
land
is
going
to
be
available,
which
some
of
these
are,
for
example,
a
big
pickleball
court.
I
know
that's
the
city
manager's
one
of
his
things
that
he'd
like
to
do
you're
too
right.
A
So
again,
there's
no
decisions
and
there
may
be
some
other
things
that
the
commission
might
wish
to
explore
from
the
standpoint
of
a
deficiency
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
a
service
deficiency
that
that
has
been
existing
in
the
comp
plan
that
we
haven't
really
pursued
that
that's
my
slant
on
it
vice
mirror
line.
Do
you
have
anything
more
to
add
on
that.
F
Yeah,
actually,
I
do
have
comments
you've
kind
of
heard
sort
of
my
feedback
on
the
on
the
on
the
site
that
we're
going
to
use
for
or
intending
to
use
for
dredging.
There
was
a
site
on
there
for
a
boat
ramp.
That's
that's
in
myers
cove!
F
If
we're
going
to
investigate
it,
we
need
to
investigate
purchasing
the
riparian
rights
as
well,
because
they're
separate
from
that
property,
and
we
don't
have
the
riparian
rights
the
way
it's
configured
we'll
never
be
able
to
get
a
boat
in
a
route
right.
So.
F
A
Very
little
that
can
be
built
on
that
and
the
city
manager
can
explain
all
that
to
you
and
how
it
got
to
that
point.
So
the
the
development
value
of
it
is
extremely
low.
So
is
that
what
you're
talking
about
and
and
so
he
I'm
not
saying
to
do
that
this
evening,
but
that
would
be
a
conversation
you
could
have.
A
F
Okay,
anything
else.
No,
the
parking
looked
fine
that
made
a
lot
of
sense,
but
okay,
that
was
I'm
through
with
comments
on
them.
G
Yeah
I'll
just
go
in
order
of
the
way
they
are
the
dredge
spoil
site.
I
would
like
to
see
an
opportunity
to
if
we're
looking
for
a
dredge
spoil
site
to
purchase,
if
we
also
look
at
number
four
or
some
property
on
the
other
side
of
anklet
road,
I
think,
is
part
of
the
stauffer
plant
property.
G
All
the
boat
ramps
in
the
city
have
some
restrictions
that
are
city
owned.
So
I
think
it
it's
something
that
we
do
need
to
give
the
residents
there's
a
couple
other
items
that
I'd
like
to
bring
up
either
from
preservation,
mostly
from
preservation,
but
also
parking
in
downtown.
I
brought
up
about
within
the
cra
there's
opportunities
to
buy
some
land
in
the
downtown.
G
G
The
more
growth
in
downtown
the
more
businesses
and
more
residential
properties
that
are
redone
you're,
going
to
see
the
parking
again
get
less
and
less
available.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
some
type
of
priority
to
say
where
the
target
is
and
what
the
plan
is
for
downtown
parking
for
a
parking
garage.
G
G
I
can't
say
this
on
fact,
but
it's
it's
a
wetland
within
its
own
basin,
so
it
can
be
mitigated
at
some
point.
So
if
we're
concerned
as
a
board
of
wetlands
being
mitigated
and
being
replaced
with
homes,
this
would
be
an
area.
I
think
that
the
city
should
target
there's,
also
a
piece
of
property
that
connects
to
this
it's
for
sale
and
I
believe
it's
like
a
seven
story.
G
Apartment
site
plan
already
it's
within
the
county
jurisdiction,
but
it's
backs
up
to
the
city
and
there's
82
apartment
doors
that
are
plotted
for
that
piece
of
land.
Again,
it's
a
corridor.
That's
got
a
lot
of
traffic
already
and
it
backs
up
to
the
wetlands.
So
maybe
that
could
be
an
opportunity
to
preserve
some
wetlands
and
prevent
another
apartment
complex
from
coming
on
to
a
very
heavily
trafficked
ultra
19.
G
Oh
vice
mayor
also
that
that
was
a
park
at
one
point
that
number
three
that
we're
talking
about
on
cross
and
hope
vice
mayor
lund,
that
was,
it
was
a
playground
growing
up
for
many
years.
I
remember
playing
on
it
with
the
slides
and
swings
a
couple
other.
I
want
to
bring
up
too,
as
well
from
a
preservation
standpoint.
G
You've
got
property
on
the
corner
of
ultra
19
or
penalty
avenue
and
mirs
both
on
the
west
side
of
the
street.
Both
low-lying
areas,
I
think,
there's
three
different
property
owners.
The
one
on
the
south
west
is
a
large
parcel
that
they
looked
at
putting
a
long-term
care
facility
there.
At
one
point,
I
think
there
could
be
apartments
or
condos
also
on
this
northwest
corner.
G
I
think
it's
plotted
for
some
type
of
office
and
then
a
little
bit
west
of
there.
It's
a
narrow
strip
along
the
canal,
where
it's
residential
areas
again.
These
are
all
low-lying
areas,
areas
that
are
sensitive
to
our
wetlands
and
that's
something
we
probably
want
to
put
some
type
of
prioritization
into
preserving
some
type
of
that
some
of
that
land
as
a
whole.
A
Okay,
I,
if
you
could
share
those
with
the
city
manager
a
little
more
detail,
so
you'll
know
where
those
are
absolutely.
G
D
A
It
could
be
made
permanent.
We
used
that
facility
the
last
time
there's
going
to
be
a
it's,
not
a
cheap
piece
of
property,
it's
larger
than
what's
needed.
There
are
some
discussions
and
and
kind
of
long-range
planning
that
the
shepard
center
is
doing
for
dormitory.
That
may
be
something
that
we
could
land
bank
some
property
for
them
to
utilize
for
their
dormitory
future
purposes,
and
so
there's
another
reason
for
that
as
well.
A
A
D
Only
concern
and
question
is:
we've
been
leasing
it
correct?
Yes,
why
didn't
we
buy
it.
A
It
that's
an
interesting
question
and
I
I
think
in
in
I
think
there
was
some
sense
that
maybe
the
dredging
would
have
been
done
a
lot
sooner
than
it
has
been,
and
we've
been
spending
a
lot
of
money,
but
I
think
many,
the
people
that
live
work
and
do
a
lot
of
boating,
felt
that
that
was
important
enough
to
go
ahead
and
purchase
that
property
some
time
ago
certainly
would
have
been
less
expensive
than
so.
D
A
The
idea
is
that
it's
it's
it's
going
to
it's
going
to
be,
it
could
be
res.
I
don't
want
to
say
it's
going
to
be
it,
it
has
it's
it's,
it
has
a
development
value
to
it
and
it
could
be
residential.
For
example,
there
are
some
river
bend,
it's
up
just
down
the
street
from
river
bend
and
that's
a
single
family
homes.
A
My
point
is
once
it's
gone,
we
don't
have
a
site
unless
we
can
come
up
with
another
one
and
that
one
would
actually
have
to
be
thought
through
with
the
army
corps
to
see
if
it
would
fit
and
the
department
of
environmental
protection
whether
it
satisfies
the
criteria
we.
This
isn't.
This
isn't
the
first
piece
of
our
city
manager.
When
we
actually
selected
that
site
this
wasn't,
we
were
like
three
or
four
parcels.
A
This
is
the
only
one
that
would
work,
because
the
amount
of
time
from
the
effluent
that
discharges
from
the
disposal
by
the
disposal
site
making
its
way
back
east
along
the
old
railroad
right
of
way,
underneath
alternate
19
and
back
into
the
river.
It
gives
enough
time
for
the
sediment
in
the
water
and
in
the
drain
organic
material
to
polish
that
water,
so
it
doesn't
pollute
the
river.
That's
the
beauty
of
that
location.
A
It's
going
to
be
sooner
than
that,
the
way
things
have
been
happening.
We
basically
the
turning
basin
is,
is
unusable
at
this
point
and
we
far
exceeded
the
time
that
we
should
have
done
the
dredging.
So
it's
it's.
My
point
is
the
questions
you're
asking
right
now
or
or
something
that
we
would
discuss
later
once
the
city
manager
determines
the
availability
of
the
property.
I
mean
right
now:
it's
all
hypothetical,
I
think,
there's
a
need
for
it.
A
Many
of
the
residents
feel
that
at
least
the
ones
that
are
involved
and
and
rely
on
the
river
for
their
feel
that
there's
a
need
to
secure
something
like
that
in
order
to
secure
the
channel's
future,
but
I
think
at
this
particular
point,
certainly
for
this
evening-
it's
very
premature
to
be
talking
about
that.
It's
just
at
some
point.
D
Well,
I'm
just
giving
my
ideas
as
I'm
looking
at
this
now,
the
sponge
doc
public
parking
over
here
that
looks
like
it's
currently
used
as
a
public
parking
as
well,
so
would
we
be
considering
possibly
making
it
a
double
deck
at
all,.
F
A
Think
the
I
it's
it's
an
opportunity
purchase
it's
part
of
a
larger
project
that
that,
in
order
for
the
project
to
work,
that
parcel
is
needed
as
well,
but
it
would
not
be
needed
as
far
as
the
project
itself,
but
the
density
is
needed.
Therefore
it
would
be
a
parking
public
parking
or
it
would
be
parking
and
continue
to
be
parking
it
as
it
is
right
now
got
it,
and
so
we
may
be
able
to
purchase
it
at
a
very
hopefully
at
somewhat
of
a
reduced
price.
A
But
that's
another
thing
that
the
city
manager
needs
to
explore
for
us
and
and
again,
if
this
project
comes
to
fruition,
if
it
doesn't,
then
it
doesn't.
D
Still
right
for
sale
number
three,
I
have
no
issues
with
and
number
four.
My
only
question
that
I
would
have
I'm
encouraged
because
we
really
need
boating
boat
launches
in
tarpon,
but
would
this
little
alcove
be
part
of
the
dredge
situation?
Is
it
deep
enough
water
there
to
to
create
that
boat,
launch.
A
It's
it's
deep
water
there
and
I
know
the
area,
and
I
mean
I
wish
I
could
tell
you
I
knew
for
certain,
but
I
used
to
work
at
stauffer
and
I
I
know
that
at
times
they
had
barges
anchored
there
for
their
use
and,
and
so
it
is
deep
water
there,
and
that
the
the
parts
associated
with
this
the
seneca
corporation
does
not
have
a
sea
wall
associated
with
it,
which
makes
it
even
more
desirable
for
developing
as
a
boat,
ramp
and
and
there's
some
other
things.
A
But
I
would
like
to
try
and
defer
that
and
for
discussion
further
it's
just.
These
are
just
some
ideas
that
to
give
you
an
idea,
my
idea
is
to
give
you
an
idea
that
that's
something
we
need
to
talk
about.
The
election
is
in
2023.,
there's
a
lot
of
development
pressure
in
the
community,
and
it's
just.
I
think
it
would
be
a
smart
thing
to
look
at
purchasing
property.
C
Thank
you
mayor.
I
would
I'm
gonna
start
with
my
priorities
from
the
the
four
that
we
see
here.
Although
commissioner
car
did
bring
up
some
great
properties
for
us
to
look
into
the
future,
I
think
the
judge
disposal
site
is
the
first.
We
need
to
be
aggressive
and
try
to
purchase
the
property
and
help
complete
the
process
that
the
prior
boards
have
done
with
the
dredging.
The
river
and
number
four
would
be
my
my
next
priority.
C
C
That's
about
to
develop
as
well
with
their
there's
businesses
coming
in
there
too,
and
we
need
to
have
some
more
parking
on
that
side
as
well
as
it
will
support
parking
on
the
west
side
of
the
docks
and
we
can
create
a
mini
park.
I
don't
believe,
there's
more
kids
in
that
area
as
there
was
prior,
but
it
is
an
area.
That's
a
lot
of
the
great
community
in
other
parts
of
the
community.
Do
go
there
in
a
mini
park
that
can
help
keep
the
kids
active
and
busy
would
be
a
great
thing.
C
So
we
can
do
three
for
one
right
there
with
the
preservation
parking
and
a
little
mini
park.
I
just
don't
know
what
the
price
is
going
to
be
and
number
two,
I'm
just
curious
to
see.
What's
going
to
arise
from
the
potential
project
in
the
future,
arising
with
the
potential
sale
of
this
property
for
parking,
I'm
all
for
parking,
but
just
want
to
see
what's
part
of
any
other
projects
arising
from
it.
Yeah.
A
E
Yeah
I'll
just
just
offer
a
fast
since
we're
ahead
of
schedule,
but
just
just
a
fast
assessment
on
number
one:
the
dredge
disposal
site,
as
you
mentioned,
and
we
have
a
member
of
the
marine
commerce
who's
involved
about
everything
here
about
the
purchase.
We
did
inquire
about
at
the
beginning
of
this
whole
thing.
Where
we
get
it,
we
did
inquire.
E
I
will
not
tell
you
the
exact
words
that
the
owner
told
me,
but
let
me
summarize
it
and
say
it
wasn't
for
sale,
but
he
was
glad
to
lease
it
for
this
purpose
of
the
river.
He
was
rather
animated
about
not
selling
it.
So
the
ask
of
why
we
didn't
we.
We
wanted
to
approach
that.
It
was
something
that
the
marine
commerce
is
something
we
thought
about.
E
It
wasn't,
but
there's
there
may
be
a
change
in
the
stance
of
the
owner
now
and
I
think
more
people
realize
this
property
if
we
didn't
get
this
property
for
leasing,
we'd
had
tremendous
problems
with
it,
there's
just
something
ideal,
as
as,
as
the
mayor
talked
about
when
he
was
city
manager,
this
is
ideal
for
everything
to
get
the
permitting
stuff
set
for
it.
I
don't
know,
as
we
were
looking
for
alternatives
back
then
of
if
we
didn't
get
this,
there
was
not
a
good
alternative
and
son
had
been
more.
E
There
was
not
any
good
alternatives
out
there.
We
could
have
probably
made
something
work.
You
know
probably
been
more
expensive,
but
there
wasn't
a
good
alternative
losing
that
when
it
comes
up
whenever
the
dredge
comes
up,
10
15,
whenever
it
comes
up
again,
that's
going
to
be
a
serious
issue
of
our
responsibility
of
providing
this
this
would
this
would
secure
that
and
not
have
the
worry
of
whoever
the
city
manager.
The
commission,
then,
is
to
have
to
find
the
site
and
there
be
a
site
not
available,
so
that
was
the
whole.
E
That
was
that's
the
whole
thing
about
this
piece
of
property
and
the
idealness
of
it
lending
to
dredge
the
anchor
river
sponge
docs
public
parking
site.
I
can
tell
you
and
I'm
sure
the
whisper
is
going
to
get
out
after
this
meeting.
E
Probably
in
may
there's
a
potential
hotel
project
across
the
street
from
this
that
you're
going
to
be
seeing,
you
know
we're
not
exactly
sure,
but
they
did
meet
the
deadline
to
go
to
the
next
trc
meeting,
which
I
think
is
going
to
be
this
week
or
next
week,
whatever
it
is
coming
up
soon,
because
it
may
be
something
to
begin
the
process,
one
of
the
things
we
learned
from
them
and,
as
you
know,
and
listen,
this
board
change
it.
E
My
orders
from
the
other
board
any
potential
sites
downtown
of
the
docks
I'm
supposed
to
to
continuously
24
7
look
for
they
may
know
to
us
that
they
bought
all
the
property,
but
they
have
no
need
for
this
piece
of
property
on
there
and
we
immediately
say
well
wait
a
second
before
you
decide
who
you're
going
to
get
ready
to
do.
The
city
would
would
would
may
like,
and
we
would
want
the
first
opportunity
to
take
a
stab
at
if
you're
not
going
to
use
it.
E
You
don't
need
it
and
again
it's
parking
now,
but
the
owners
before
this
stopped
the
parking
on
this
property.
As
we
got
close
to
this
deal
where
they
were
looking
for
a
deal
for
somebody
to
buy
across
the
way,
I
think
they
stopped
it.
E
There
was
a
purchase
of
one
of
our
local
businesses
that
property
that
kind
of
fell
through
for
additional
parking.
So
if
we're
receptive
to
the
hotel
project
and
they're
still
going
through
for
it
and
they
have
this
piece
of
land
available
for
us,
we
have
opportunity
to
take
full
advantage
of.
But
again
a
lot's
gonna
have
to
happen
with
with
the
project
across
the
street
before
we
get
this,
but
this
is
something
that
could
go
in
a
frame
of
time
that
by
the
next
election,
a
reference
we
could
have
the
referendum.
E
E
It's
sat
there
since
then.
The
problem
wasn't
it's
in
coastal
high
hazard
area.
It
right
now
has
has
no
density
and
in
a
coastal
hazard
you
can't
gain
density.
So
there's
really
not
a
lot
that
can
be
done,
but
it's
got
the
beautiful
old
trees
and
the
memories
of
a
lot
of
people
going
to
that
park
and
the
potential
it's
the
only
real
green
space
down
at
the
sponge
docks
area.
We
looked
at
it
before
for
some
other
things,
so
the
problem
is:
we've
gone
from.
E
It's
come
down.
I
think
it's
not
come
down
to
what
we're
offering
in
the
350
area,
which
is
still
probably
higher,
it's
going
to
get
appraised,
but
we
couldn't
even
get
to
the
appraisal
process
yet,
but
we've
had
contact
again
with
the
owner.
So
again,
this
may
be
something
where
we
can
come
to
a
price
to
go
the
people
with
and
see
if
the
people
want
it.
E
If
it's
worth
it
again,
I
love
this
piece
of
property,
so
I'm
a
little
partial
but
we'll
see
where
that
goes
and,
of
course,
the
fourth
one
to
look.
The
biggest
problem
with
all
the
land
on
the
staffer
site
is,
and
we
have
asked
about
it:
we've
acquired
about
land
on
the
other
side
of
that
the
whole
hurdle
that
we
have
to
get
over
first.
For
this,
is
they
don't
want
to
separate?
They
want,
whatever
they
do
with
it?
To
go
as
a
whole,
so
they
have
not
been
receptive
in
the
last
five
six.
E
E
Have
not
yeah
they
do
not
want
to
set
they.
They
are
not.
They
are
not
interested
in
any
separation
of
property
and
do
a
dealing
with
it
as
a
whole.
So
the
first
thing
to
do
is
investigate
to
see
if
that,
if
they're
coming
off
that
or
not
if
they
are,
then
that's
when
we
do
the
analysis
of,
is
it
feasible
so
again,
but
that's
something
potential
to
look
at
and
and
and
see
because
some
of
the
other
sites
we
looked
at
are
just
not
capable.
E
You
know,
we've
eliminated
some
other
sites
that
we
haven't
talked
about.
So
that's
just
why
this
is
on
there,
because
it's
gone
a
long
time.
We
haven't
talked
to
them
about
their
feelings
in
a
long
time,
so
we
will
be
talking
to
them
again
and
report
back
to
you.
But
again
we
want
to
look
that
as
a
possibility,
especially
with
the
mayor's
knowledge
of
that
land
and
the
water
and
and
the
feasibility
of
it.
E
We
want
to
try
to
explore
that
a
little
more
so
again,
that's
that's
why
those
were
put
on
there
and
I'm
very
well
acquainted
with
the
mills
property.
I
call
it
again:
the
city
went
against
the
what
I
call
the
monstrosity
structure
of
apartments
that
they
want
to
put
they've,
got
very
little
upland
to
put
the
property
on
and
we
were
against
it
with
the
county,
but
there's
a
lot
of
problems
with
putting
all
that
on
one
space.
E
So
it's
up
for
sale
again,
so
preserving
that
even
even
the
piece
of
upland
may
be
an
advantage
of
what
the
county
might
have
agreed
the
permit
on
that
property-
and
I
know
what
they
wanted
to
permit
on
this
property-
is
not
something.
This
commission
wants
to
see
the
course
on
action.
For
so
I'm
aware
of
that
property
and
again
I'll
watch
and
mr
mills
caught
me
at
the
distant
meeting
about
another
piece
of
property
he
has
on
off
distance.
E
A
The
next
item
is
the
include
harbors
update.
I
thought
this
might
be
a
good
thing-
miss
vincent
you're.
Here,
yes,
okay
and
all
I'm
just
going
to
say
a
couple
of
words.
I
I
know
during
the
campaign
there
were
there's
some
social
media
activity
as
far
as
status
and
things
of
that
nature
and
and
some
of
the
candidates
were
offering
statuses
and
things.
I
think
well
everybody's
a
commissioner
here
now
and
I
think
that
ms
vincent
created
an
excellent
exhibit
that
kind
of
tracked
the
permitting
process
and
miss
vincent.
E
A
So
my
point
is:
you
could
go
to
directly
the
regulatory
permit
search
sites
and
and
see
what
they've
got,
but
ms
vincent
may
have
some
additional
insight
that
you
might
want
to
touch
base
with
her
if
you
get
inquiries
from
the
public
as
far
as
what
the
status
of
the
various
aspects
of
the
project
are.
That's
all.
I
have.
H
So
yeah,
just
the
content
of
this,
really
follows
kind
of
line
by
line
the
conditions
of
approval
that
were
put
in
place
when
the
final
plan
development
was
approved
by
resolution.
So
you
see
all
those
you
know
that
listed
in
the
left-hand
column
and
then
the
actual
text
of
what
those
conditions
are
and
then
you've
got
a
field
for
you
know,
is:
what's
the
what's
the
time
point
that
those
really
get
triggered
when
are
we
looking
to
see
them?
H
Is
the
requirement
satisfied
and
then
just
additional
notes,
so
we're
trying
to
keep
this
up
to
date
as
we
can?
We
do
have
it
posted
on
the
developer
page
for
the
enclosed
harbor
site
on
connect
tarpon.
So
when
you
go
to
connect
tarpon,
there's
a
subheading
for
developer
projects
and
then
the
anchor
harbor
site
is
there
so
we've
been
trying
to
keep
everything
up
there?
If
you
have
specific
questions
about
something
on
here,
you
know
I
don't
want
to
try
to
go
through
this
line
by
line
because
there's
just
a
lot
of
information.
H
A
Okay,
I
I
think,
that's
all
I
wanted
to
have
said
this
evening.
Scene
manager,
of
course,
do
you
have
anything
and
no
okay.
Vice
mayor
lund,
krishna,
commissioner,
commissioner,
no
comments,
okay,
miss
jacobs,
I'm
sure
you're,
keeping
you
there.
Mr
trask
no
comments.
Thank
you!
Okay!
A
On
the
comprehensive
plan,
land
development
code,
near-term
amendments-
I
commissioner
carr
brought
up
an
interesting
point
as
far
as
a
moratorium
on
on
apartments
and-
and
I
I
think
his
you
know,
his
sense
has
merit
of
what
the
community
is
looking
for
and
and
the
the
easiest
way
for
me
to
kind
of
describe.
My
feeling
of
where
the
residents
are
right
now
is
that
is
that
they're
they're
looking
around
there?
You
don't
see
a
whole
lot
of
land
left
and
they
just
want
to
see
the
city
wrapped
up.
A
In
other
words,
they
they
just
want
to
understand.
What
should
what
they're
going
to
expect
in
the
future
for
the
city,
the
comp,
the
strategic
plan,
the
comp
plan
update
strategic
plan
that
is
being
developed
is
going
to
create
that
vision
with
the
resident's
participation,
and
so
I
think,
rather
than
than
kind
of
looking
at
just
flat-out
moratoriums,
there
are
certain
targets
sort
of
what
would
you
call
development
that
may
not
be
in
the?
A
It
may
not
be
consistent
with
what
the
residents
would
want
right
now
so,
and
this
would
be
dealt
with
through
some
changes
in
our
land
development
code
and
our
comprehensive
plan,
and
I
know
ms
vincent's
been
working
on
that
a
little
bit
see
manager
la
course.
With
your
permission,
I'd
like
to
get
mrs
vince.
H
Thank
you
so
there
there
are
three
things
that
that
I've
listed
here
that
you
know,
I
think,
are
problematic
enough,
that
I
don't
want
to
wait
until
we
get
through
the
comp
plan
to
to
do
those
as
we're
meeting
the
comp
plan.
The
first
there's
a
there's,
a
conditional
use
provision
in
our
comprehensive
plan
for
your
two
commercial
categories:
commercial,
general,
commercial,
limited
that
you
know
very
much
brings
everything
that
are
problematic
and
the
way
that
they're
written
and
as
well
as
the
secondary
use.
H
Subjects
in
each
of
the
future
language
map
categories-
you
know
right
now,
you
know
the
properties,
as
you
said,
there's
not
a
lot
of
vacant
land.
You
know.
The
properties
that
are
probably
most
targeted
for
you
know
for
residential
are
probably
going
to
be
on
the
u.s
19
quarter
or
the
alt-19
corridor
as
redevelopment
sites,
and
so
most
of
those
you
know.
H
So
you
know
at
least
at
this
point
until
we
get
better
policy
direction
as
the
overall
update
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
because
of
the
kind
of
the
problematic
nature
of
introducing
the
conditional
use
piece
into
the
comp
plan,
which
is
normally
a
quasi-judicial
procedure
with
through
the
land
development
code.
You
know
I
would
propose
to
just
go
ahead
and
remove
those
provisions
to
a
text
amendment
to
the
comp
plan
and
removing
the
residential
as
a
secondary
use
in
those
those
two
categories.
H
Now
we
have
some
broader
things
that
need
to
be
cleaned
up,
as
as
a
result
of
the
entire
update
the
way
the
whole
all
the
structure
of
the
future
land
use.
Map
categories
are
written,
there's
a
lot
of
hold
over
from
old
county-wide
plan
rules
and
things
like
that
that
have
been
filtered
into
it
through
the
years.
H
The
second
is,
this
is
a
more
of
a
procedural
issue,
and
this
is
something
that
pinellas
county
has
done
in
the
last
six
to
eight
months.
So,
if
someone's
bringing
a
project
forward,
that
requires
a
land
use,
a
future
land
use
map
amendment.
So
that's
a
comp
plan
amendment
essentially,
and
it
requires
a
zoning
map
amendment
or
there's
some
other
associated
a
conditional
use,
a
planned
development.
H
Anything
like
that.
You
know
the
tenancy
from
the
development
world
is
they
want
to
get
their
approvals
as
fast
as
they
can
and
go
through
as
few
meetings
as
possible?
Frankly,
so
the
in
so
what
ends
up
is
you
get
a
package
and
you've
got
three
or
four
different
actions
that
need
to
be
taken
in
one
meeting
and
you're?
What
might
be
a
legislative
item
gets
mixed
with
the
quasi-judicial
item,
and
so
it
gets
real
sticky.
H
So
one
way
to
decouple
this
is
from
a
procedural
matter
is
to
basically,
if
you're,
going
to
amend
the
future
land
use
map
and
that's
amending
the
comp
plan
that
that
has
to
stand
alone
and
it's
got
to
meet.
The
test
of
you
know
does
is
it
in?
Is
it
in
compliance
with
the
rest
of
the
comprehensive
plan?
So
it
takes
away
all
the
other
extraneous
things
you
won't
have
site
plans.
You
don't
have
things
it's
like.
Is
this
a
good
idea
for
the
comp
plan
to
change
this
land
use
on
this
particular
property?
H
H
You
know
now
that
you
know
that
may
backfire
on
me
if
we
got
a
project
that
we
really
want,
and
maybe
it's
at
the
discretion
of
the
board,
but
I
I
would
just
at
least
like
to
explore
that
possibility.
I
haven't
discussed
this
with
the
city
attorney.
If
there's
any
issues
with
decoupling
like
that
or
if
it
needs
to
be
something
that
needs
to
be
a
text
amendment
to
the
land
development
code,
from
a
procedural
standpoint,
we
can,
we
can
evaluate
that
and
then
the
third
provision
is
going
ahead
and
revisiting.
H
Now
the
coastal
hazard
area
policies
that
are
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
you
know,
I
think
I
think
we
know
what
they
should
be,
but
they're
not
written
that
way,
and
so
I'm
more
than
happy
to
bring
those
back
as
again
as
an
interim
amendment
with
a
set
of
you
know,
kind
of
as
a
package
for
the
boards
consideration.
So.
A
I
I
think
that
there's
some
technical
aspects
of
this
obviously
they're
a
little
more
complicated
and
we're
not
going
to
get
into
those
tonight.
So
I
really
encourage
you
to
talk
to
ms
vincent
about
it
through
the
city
manager
and
let
her
explain
things
a
little
more
to
you.
A
A
So
that's
the
idea
behind
that
rather
than-
and
there
may
be
some
other
ideas
too,
for
each
of
you
please,
I
I
encourage
you
to
talk
to
ms
vincent
and
through
the
city
manager
about
any
other
ideas
that
you
might
have
and
and
she's
she'll.
I'm
sure
she'll
tell
you
whether
something
can
be
done
in
that
regard
and
whether
it
has
merit
like
she's
she's
identifying
here.
A
The
the
last
item
is
the
just
stay
up.
There
miss
vincent
his
temporary
use
permitting
on
food
trucks.
This
is,
as
you
know,
the
the
the
food
truck
ordinance
was
one
of
those
things
that
we
struggled
with
there's
another
kind
of
a
route
that
can
be
taken,
which
is
a
temporary
use.
Permit
that
really
wasn't
discussed
it
was.
A
It
was
mostly
for
commercial,
where
it's
being
able
to
do
something
on
your
private
property
as
a
special
event,
but
on
your
private
property,
has
nothing
to
do
with
public
property
and
and
and
that
has
been
used
on
a
very,
very
selected
basis
actually
before
the
food
truck
ordinance
went
in
place,
but
in
my
talking
to
at
least
one
food
truck
vendor
that
would
have
taken
care
of
about
80
percent
of
their
problems,
rather
than
going
through
the
fruit
food
truck
ordinance
and
modifying
that
allowing
a
temporary
use-
and
I
think
you,
if
you
all
recall-
I
think
it
was
during
the
campaign
season-
there
were
one
or
two
people
got
up
and
a
business
owner
said
he
couldn't
even
have
a
food
truck
in
his
business
for
a
grand
opening.
A
It
simply
was
not
allowed,
and-
and
this
would
actually
fix
that
problem
and
people
could
have
a
food
truck
at
their
home
for
a
birthday
party
or
some
other
celeb
celebration,
just
like
they
could
a
caterer,
but
at
least
they
would
have
a
food
truck
there
up
until
this
point,
or
at
least
until
we
we
address
this
a
little
more
formally
with
a
temporary
use,
permit,
it's
still
not
allowed
to
have
a
food
truck
get
a
home
nor
there
is
their
means
for
them
to
do
that
through
our
current
permitting
process.
A
F
F
Understand
the
whole
origin
of
this
well
enough
to
really
make
some
detailed
comments.
I
just
know
that
it
sounded
to
me
to
be
a
little
penalizing
the
way
it's
written,
it's
not
flexible
enough,
so
if,
if
we
give
them
temporary
permission
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
food
trucks
are
supposed
to
be
temporary
anyway,
they
shouldn't
be
a
permanent
fixture.
I'm
fine
with
that
idea.
Okay,.
G
I
support
this.
I
was
for
giving
food
trucks
more
opportunities
when
we
passed
the
code,
so
I
think
something
like
this
is
actually
very
beneficial
to
the
residents
as
a
whole,
too.
D
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
I
I'm
also
pro
food
truck
as
well
as
I'm
reading
here
in
g.
It's
it's.
It
shall
be
a
permit
shouldn't
be
issued
for
no
more
than
90
days.
I
don't
think
you
need
anything
more
than
that,
but
I
do
think
that
it
needed
to
be
changed
a
little
bit.
D
There's
opportunities
for
food
trucks,
where
there
is
no
competition
with
the
brick
and
mortar
restaurants,
and
I
think
it
brings
more
people
into
the
city
rather
than
competition.
So,
like
I
said,
I
definitely
entertain
this
okay.
C
I'm
all
for
the
food
trucks.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
protect
the
sponge
docks.
I've
talked
to
several
restaurant
owners
and
we
do
have
to
protect
the
sponge
docks
in
that
area.
As
far
as
downtown,
I
haven't
spoken
to
many
restaurant
owners
and
their
feelings
on
food
trucks,
I'm
all
for
special
events
or
in
private
parties.
If
you
know
parents
want
to
throw
a
birthday
party
for
their
kids
and
they
don't
want
to
buy
food
and
they
want
they
want
a
food
truck
to
come.
Cater
have
no
problem
with
that.
C
C
A
This
is
a
work
in
progress,
and
it's
just
the
idea
of
whether
you
would
like
to
explore
this.
This
whole
concept
has
got
to
be
developed
further,
but
in
my
talking
to
ms
vincent
about
it,
she
made
similar
observations
to
you
as
far
as
not
wanting
it
to
to
be
gained,
in
other
words,
taking
a
a
vacant
piece
of
property
and
turning
it
into
a
business
by
having
a
food
truck
there
on
a
recurring
basis.
A
So
she's
well,
aware
of
that,
and-
and
you
presented
another
interesting
point
that
maybe
we
would
carry
that
a
little
too
far.
So
these
are
things
that
ms
vincent
is
listening
to
each
of
us,
and
I
would
hope
that
you
would
communicate
with
her
through
the
city
manager
again
in
private
and
share
her
your
ideas
with
her.
So
we
can
have
a
a
pretty
much
a
good
product
when
it
comes
back
to
us,
it
would
be,
it
would
be
an
ordinance
change
as
well.
Is
that
right?
It.
H
No,
I
think
you
know,
I
think
it
would
be
an
ordinance
or
a
change
in
two
places,
both
in
the
general
temporary
use
section.
We
might
be
able
to
accomplish
it
all
in
the
specific
food
truck
section,
but
I
think
it'd
be
easier
to
parse
that
out.
I
can
work
with
the
city
attorney,
but
I
know
I
think
I
agree.
I
think
the
biggest
you
know.
H
I
think
the
intent
of
the
temporary
use
section
is
to
address
this
type
of
thing
and
by
putting
the
very
specific
regulations
in
place.
Now
you
have
to
go
to
the
more
specific
and
it
took
that
you
know
when
it
was
when
that
didn't
exist.
You
probably
could
have
made
an
interpretation,
but
now
now
we
have
a
very
specific
regulation,
so
we
need
to
amend
it
to
get
get
back
to
where
we
need
to
be
okay,.
D
Ahead
yeah,
as
I
was
reading
here,
one
of
the
things
that
says
a
90-day
period
now
that
could
be
taken
as
a
90-day
period
in
one
location
or
it
could
be
taken
as
90-day
period
in
the
city
in
general.
So
I
think
we
do
need
to
you
know,
fine-tune
this,
but
I'm
and
also
I
agree
with
the
commissioner
coulius
about
not
wanting
to
put
these
next
to
businesses
as
well,
especially
in
the
sponge
docs
area
as
well.
So
you
know,
but
this
is
something
that
we
can
discuss.
A
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
you're
you're
basically
stating
to
me
what
are
givens
and
I
think
that's
you
know
you
know
for
yes,
the
answer
to
that
is
yes,
but
how
do
we
go
beyond
that
as
far
as,
for
example,
the
residential
communities
and
some
of
these
other
areas
to
provide
some
accommodation?
I
don't
think
the
food
trucks
I
mean.
First
of
all,
there
aren't
a
whole
lot
of
places
in
the
at
the
sponge
stocks.
A
That
is
private,
that
a
food
truck
can
go
on
to
accept
some
of
the
parking
lots
that
don't
have
businesses
so
that
that's
something
that
ms
vincent
I'm
sure
is
going
to
be
sensitive
and
but
again
you
need
to
talk
to
her
about
that
as
well.
So
I'm
good
all
right,
miss
vincent
anything
else,
sorry
same
manual.
Of
course
you
want
to
add
anything.
E
No
on
this
one,
I
think
we
got,
we
have
good
direction
of
where
to
go.
We
kind
of
anticipated.
You
know
from
hearing
all
you.
We
had
that
and
the
same
with
going
back
to
nine
just
for
a
second,
I
think
nine
those
items
she
said
and
those
changes.
E
I
think
those
are
those
will
go
a
long
way
to
accomplish
what
this
board's
direction
is.
So
I
think
I
think
nine
is
very
important
and
again,
I
think,
miss
vincent
has
brought
forward
some
things
where
you
can
fix
what
you
and
I
guess
what
the
electorate
showed
in
their
vote,
what
they
want
in
the
future
for
land
and
stuff.
E
So
we've
got
good
direction
on
both
nine
and
ten
to
move
forward
and
bring
something
back
to
you,
and
you
know,
I
think,
that's
collectively
what
the
collective
board
is
going
to
wants
to
move
forward
with
so.
A
F
10
months,
yeah,
okay,
so
when
I,
when
I
look
through
this,
I'm
going
like
it's
a,
it
seems
on
the
surface
to
be
a
real,
a
depth
short
term
fix.
F
So
that
would
be
my
concern
that
we
don't
it's
not
that
I'm
you
know
I
I
understand
the
principle
behind
it.
I
just
don't
want
us
to
unnecessarily
restrict
us
when
a
year
a
year
and
a
half
from
now
people
start
wanting
to
do
misused
facilities
like
they've
done
everywhere
else.
In
the
you
know,
the
u.s,
and
we
can't
do
that
because
of
our
comprehensive
plan,
says
no.
We
can't
do
that
right.
A
Right
and-
and
I
I
think,
those
that's
a
an
excellent
observation
that
we
just
have
to
get
to
that
point
and
how
this
is
going
to
work
and
that's
ms
vincent's
job,
we
pretty
much
identify
what
the
policy
ought
to
be,
and
then
ms
vincent
and
the
city
manager
take
it
in
this
particular
case,
create
an
ordinance
or
a
resolution
that
they
interpret,
what
we're
telling
them
and
then
they
bring
back.
And
then
we
make
the
policy
by
implementing
that
resolution
ordinance.
So
there's
a
whole
lot
of
discussion.
A
Just
thinking
and
brainstorming,
that's
going
to
go
into
this
as
well
and
and
we're
part
of
that
collectively
and
also
individually.
So
again,
communication
is
the
key
here.
So,
ms
vincent
I'm
sorry
miss
jacobs.
H
I
do
since
for
people
that
are
listening
since
we're
talking
about
the
comp
plan.
We
next
our
next
round
of
community
engagement
for
the
public.
We
will
have
an
engagement
work
session
or
workshop
on
june,
4th
and
it'll
be
at
our
rec
center
and
right
now.
It's
time
it's
scheduled
for
three
to
five
pm,
so
we're
really
hoping
to
get
into
the
nuts
and
bolts
and
a
lot
of
the
meat
exact
of
some
of
these
issues.
H
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
for
people
and
get
it
on
their
calendar,
and
hopefully
everybody
can
can
join
us
and
then
there'll
be
others.
You
know
we're
going
to
all
the
boards
and
we'll
try
to
the
same
thing
that
we're
doing
in
the
workshops
we're
going
to
try
to
duplicate
on
through
connect
tarpon.
So
we
can
get
that
same
engagement
through
through
connect
tarpon
as
well,
so
just
wanted
to
make
that
public
service
announcement.
A
Ahead
of
time,
is
that
right,
that's
great
okay,
so
what
I'd
like
for
you
to
do
and
and
is
this
week
sometime-
gives
the
city
manager
some
feedback
of
whether
you
felt
you
were
pressured.
Something
could
be
done.
A
little
different.
A
I've
been
through
this
sort
of
thing
before
we
we
do
something
like
this
tonight.
We
learned
something
we
create
some
data.
We
get
an
idea
of
how
how
long
some
items
are
going
to
take.
What
we
had
was
our
estimate.
They
may
not
match.
Some
of
them
may
have
taken
longer.
Some
of
them
may
have
taken
shorter,
but
we
learned
from
that.
So
in
the
next
agenda
we
make
an
adjustment
either
down
or
up,
and
then
we
continually
evolve.
A
A
Now
you
didn't
say
there
is
some
kind
of
thinking
right
now
that
there
used
to
be
things
that
would
come
out
of
the
p
z
board
that
there
was
an
automatic
expectation
that
it
would
be
at
the
next
commission
meeting
and
we're
we're
going
to
manage
that
a
little
better
that
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case.
For
example,
the
may
10th
meeting
is
going
to
be
is
no
april
26th.
A
E
Have
told
we
you
know,
I
talked
to
her
name,
we
told
the
expectation
always
there's
an
expectation
of
we
go
to
a
planning
zoning
meeting,
we're
going
to
immediately
be
on
the
next
meeting.
Well,
if
there's
three,
two
three
controversial
items:
that's
going
to
take
us
past
11
with
a
bunch
of
other
business,
do
we're
going
to
make
an
awareness
that
that
there's
no
expectation,
obviously
we'll
do
our
best,
but
obviously
to
manage
meetings.
E
We've
seen
several
items
come
directly
on
there
that
that
haven't
and
if
we
have
to
change
advertising
or
stuff
like
that
we've
advertised-
and
you
know
we
find
out
we'll
just
we'll-
have
to
do
referrals
to
save
the
advertising
of
it
and
stuff,
but
we're
going
to
try
to
manage
that
and
try
to
try
to
look
at
that
and
try
to
handle
that
beforehand.
Obviously,
there's
some
issues
that
come
forward,
we
don't
think
are
controversial
and
then
the
controversy
is
going
to
take
some
time.
E
So
that
may
be
a
case
where
we
might
have
to
defer
an
item
if
we
already
advertised
it.
But
you
know
we're
going
to
try
to
keep
those.
You
know
we're
going
to
try
to
keep
those
issues,
and
so
we
can
manage
the
meetings
a
little
better.
Okay.
A
All
right:
well,
let's
go
to
board
and
staff
comments
vice
mayor
lunt,
do
you
have
anything.
F
No,
this
was
actually
a
pretty
good
meeting.
I'm
glad
we're
starting
out
here,
at
least
on
a
firm
foot,
and
I
think
we
all
sort
of
know
the
direction
we're
going
into.
So
I'm
happy
with
that.
Commissioner.
G
Carr
thanks
mayor,
I
enjoyed
easter
this
past
weekend.
I
want
to
wish
happy
easter
to
the
greek
community
this
upcoming
weekend
and
that's
it.
Thank
you.
D
C
Thank
you
mayor,
I'm
looking
forward
to
working
with
this
group.
It
was
a
great
meeting.
Orthodox
easter
is
this
sunday
and
I
would
ask
that
our
police
department-
they
did
a
great
job
working
with
local
agencies
last
year,
to
protect
and
secure
the
orthodox
church
with
the
minimal
appearance
of
security,
and
if
we
could
just
keep
that
up
again
this
year,
that
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
Thank
you.
A
So,
city
manager,
of
course,
would
you
have
anything
you'd
like
to
offer
no.
B
A
Trill,
okay,
all
I'm
going
to
say
is
that
the
last
month,
or
so
it's
been
beautiful
in
tarpon
springs,
the
weather's
been
perfect,
we're
still
enjoying
it.
It's
a
little
dry,
I'd
like
to
see
a
little
more
rain,
but
it's
been,
it's
been
beautiful
and
we've
got
the
two
easter's
pretty
close
together,
and
so
I
think
we've
had
some
wonderful
events
that
the
city
has
put
forward
and
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
continue
this
peaceful
time
and
and
move
ahead
in
the
future
and
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
people
in
town
these
days.
A
A
You
know
we.
We
need
to
find
a
way
to
share
that
and
then
we'll
you
know
we'll
see
what
we
do
in
the
future.
With
regard
and
please
again
communicate
with
the
city
manager
provide
him
some
feedback
tonight.
So
we
can
continue
improving
the
process
of
getting
things
done
in
a
reasonable
way
and
in
a
way
that
that
looks
very
constructive.
So
thank
you
meeting
adjourned.