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A
A
D
With
our
heads
holy
God
today,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
men
and
women
who
served
this
community
and
I
want
to
pray
for
them.
Bless
them
with
your
protection
from
harm,
bless
them
with
your
wisdom,
for
making
decisions,
bless
them
with
your
strength
to
carry
these
decisions
out,
bless
them
with
courage
when
too
many
obstacles
come
their
way,
bless
them
with
peace,
to
navigate
the
Journey
of
service
through
the
highs
and
the
lows.
I
pray
for
your
presence
and
your
spirit
tonight
in
this
meeting
for
the
discussions
and
the
decisions.
A
Miss
Jacobs
up
like
it
noted
that
commissioner
kuya
has
joined
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
Okay,
we're
going
to
go
into
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments.
E
Gary
Posh
1140
South,
Point,
Alexis,
Drive,
Tarpon
Springs
34689
good
evening
many
years
ago,
when
I
was
in
school
and
I
do
mean.
Many
years
ago,
Ronald
Reagan
was
President.
At
All
by
the
way
I
went
to
school
in
Manhattan
said
automatically
puts
me
at
a
disadvantage
to
some
in
this
room,
but
as
any
immigrant
or
migrant
will
tell
you,
you
can't
change
where
you
were
born
so
get
over
it.
E
Anyhow,
when
I
went
to
school
in
Manhattan,
it
was
a
12
mile
distance
from
my
home
in
Queens,
and
the
things
I
saw
amaze
me
there
were
men
there
in
turbines
up
to
here,
women
dressed
all
in
black
100
degree
weather
dressed
in
black,
with
only
a
little
slip
in
their
eyes.
There
were
other
men
and
women
dressed
in
these
in
these
brightly
colored
robes
that
had
never
seen
But
even
at
age,
19
or
20.
E
E
So
those
of
us
who
are
Greek
may
feel
some
Affinity
to
this
word
because
it
comes
from
the
birthplace
of
our
ancestors,
the
word
to
which
I
refer,
is
xenophobia
and
put
Posh,
and
it's
partially
defined
as
an
irrational
fear
of
Outsiders
and
irrational
fear
of
Outsiders.
And
let
me
tell
you
this:
it
is
the
ugliest
when
it's
coming
from
the
mouths
of
supposedly
educated
people
and
I
stress,
supposedly
educated
people.
Thank
you.
F
Debbie
McKinney
1021
Rose
Tree
Lane
Tarpon,
Springs
34689.
This
is
probably
the
worst
time
to
bring
this
up,
but
is
there
any
way
that
in
the
near
future,
we
can
look
at
opening
up
distant
I,
never
knew
what
the
results
of
that
were.
I
understand
the
people
north
of
the
closure
didn't
want
it
open,
but
example.
Today
the
accident,
the
accident,
the
only
northbound
route,
was
alternate
19.,
which
caused
other
accidents.
F
The
People
South
of
the
opening
I
don't
know
that
they
were
have
as
heavily
considered
their
opinion
when
they
opened
up
mirrors.
I
never
was
on
distant
between
mirrors
and
Martin
Luther
King
until
we
opened
up
mirrors
and
and
were
those
people
also
asked
whether
they
wanted
opened
or
not.
So
anyway,
my
opinion
is
I
think
it
needs
to
be
opened.
We
have
one
northbound
route
when
there's
an
accident
on
US-19
between
and
that
only
alternate
northbound
route
is
alternate
19.
and
it
and
it's
a
mess.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
H
I
may
God
be
gracious
to
us
and
bless
us
and
make
his
face
shine
upon
us.
May
your
ways
be
known
on
Earth,
your
salvation
among
all
nations.
May
the
peoples
Praise
You,
O
God,
may
all
the
peoples
Praise
You.
May
the
Nations
be
glad
and
sing
for
Joy.
For
you
rule
the
peoples
justly
and
guide
the
nations
of
the
Earth
May,
the
peoples
Praise
You,
O
God.
May
all
the
peoples
praise
you.
Then
the
land
will
yield
its
Harvest
and
God.
Our
God
will
bless
us.
God
will
bless
us
in
all.
I
The
ends
of
the
Earth
will
fear
Him.
Now
here
is
my
comment,
and
this
is
going
to
reference
the
email
that
by
former
commissioner
David
banther
on
August
11.
and
not
knowing.
If
many
people
have
read
it,
they
can
go
to
the
clerk
or
someone
can
put
it
online,
but
it
says
board
Commissioners.
You
know
you'll
have
court
today
to
keep
it
brief
and
watch
the
boc
meeting
this
week
and
read
the
damaging
article
in
Tampa,
Bay
Times.
I
It
has
never
been
more
clear
that
the
instigator
and
chief
mayor
vedicure
to
scale
leadership
has
resulted
in
the
absolute
myth
which
the
city
finds
himself
I'm
going
to
skip
the
paragraph
four.
He
has
accomplished
nothing
besides
spending
money
and
consultants
and
personal
witches.
His
tenure
has
found
the
city
facing
at
least
two
very
damaging
lawsuits,
for
which
we,
the
citizens,
will
be
paying
for
years
to
come.
I
want
to
stop
here
for
a
moment.
The
whole
reason-
and
you
know
it-
y'all-
seen
the
emails
it's
all
been
put
out
in
the
public.
I
C
I
Them
to
say,
Costa
and
the
board
is
doing
that
stuff.
Shame
on
you
David
and
further
on.
He
makes
other
disparaging
comments
and
then
it's
interesting
where
he
Praises,
commissioner
cool
yeah
yeah
during
the
election
him
and
his
Consortium
did
everything
they
could
to
not
get
him
into
office.
So
the
hypocrisy
in
this
email
is
rampant
and
I
just
need
to
point
it
out,
because
I
know
Costa
and
some
of
the
other
members
on
the
board
would
probably
not
have
brought
this
up,
but
I
just
have
to
show
out
hypocrisy
when
I
see
it.
I
A
Okay,
I'm,
going
to
close
the
public
comments
and
go
to
the
consent
agenda,
as
we've
done
in
the
past
I'm
going
to
ask
Commissioners
if
they
simply
have
comments
to
wait
until
we
go
through
all
of
them.
Unless
they
have
specific
questions
on
anyone,
then
I'm
going
to
ask
them
to
pull
those.
Does
any
commissioner
have
would
like
to
pull
any
of
the
agenda
items.
A
Miss
Jacobs
no
emails
at
all
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting.
That's.
A
J
Yeah
I'd
like
to
mention
that
the
the
seafood
festival
I
see
it
is
again
this
year,
gonna
be
at
Craig
Park
and
that's
fine,
but
I'm,
hoping
if
that
in
the
in
the
Futures,
we
have
other
spots
open
up
potentially
in
town
that
we
do
try
to
get
them
local
towards
some
of
the
other
businesses
in
the
area.
So
thank
you.
Okay,.
A
A
L
Good
evening
Tom
function,
Public
Works,
director
tonight,
I
bring
forward
to
the
bi-annual
sidewalk
list
preparing
to
implement
the
program
attaches
a
completed,
prioritized
list
based
on
a
tensile
criteria
and
we
recommended
the
work
being
completed
in
order
of
the
prioritized
list.
The
funding
source,
the
capital
project,
Road
fund,
Road
program,
301-8402
541
and
the
project
is
tr2301
in
your
backup.
I
did
give
you
some
information
on
the
locations
and
the
list
of
sidewalks
I
hope
you
got
my
email
today
with
the
with
the
maps
the
previous
sidewalks
we've
done.
L
All
these
sidewalks
we
do
have
on
this
list
are
all
replens,
there's
no
Replacements
on
the
list,
except
for
the
very
bottom
couple,
which
is
what
actually
won't
be
done
this
year.
The
way
at
the
price
range,
so
I'm
open
for
any
questions
on
the
list.
A
A
A
I
have
none
Commissioners,
commissioner,
commissioner
Mr
function,
the
the
maps
were
very
very
helpful.
Yes,
it
kind
of
answered
a
question
that
I've
had
for
a
couple
of
years,
I'd
like
to
see
balance
in
terms
of
where
our
sidewalks
are
being
both
constructed
and
repaired.
So
it
looks
like
a
nice
spread
and
so
I
think
you
all
are
doing
a
good
job
and
trying
to
be
fair
with
everybody.
I
know
that
we
alternate
years
next
year
will
be
the
Road.
L
A
And
so
next
year,
if
we
could
have
a
similar
map
on
the
roads
that
have
been
done
in
the
past
and
then
also
whatever
you
would
recommend
to
have
those
superimposed
on
one
on
one
map.
A
I
think
the
both
both
Maps
were
very
helpful,
but
I
I
kind
of
printed
one
and
printed
the
other
and
kind
of
compared
the
two.
So.
A
Okay,
if
there's
no
further,
yes,
commissioner,
Eisner
I.
M
Just
wanted
to
thank
you.
I'm
up
pretty
early
in
the
morning
riding
out
there
and
I
see
your
men
working
at
the
crack
of
dawn,
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you.
I
saw
Tony
this
morning,
working
on
a
bridge,
you
know
so
have
well
well,
most
Tarpon
Springs
is
sleeping.
You
guys
are
working
so
I
do
want
to.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that.
B
A
How
are
you
next
item
is
item
13
ethics
complaint
total
billing
cost?
This
is
I'm
going
to
assume
this
is
commissioner
kulias.
J
Okay
the
reason
I'm
bringing
this
agenda
item
up
today
was
not
because,
like
I
said,
I'd
write
back
from
vacation
to
the
displeasure
of
some,
but
there
was
not
enough
time
to
get
this
requested
on
the
agenda
falling
for
the
eighth,
and
so
this
was
going
to
be
brought
up
at
the
at
the
next
regular
session
meeting,
which
we
are
here
at
today
and
as
I
mentioned,
I
brought
forth
this
agenda
item
because
we
are
a
policy
making
board
when
we
as
a
board
come
across
unprecedented
situations.
J
J
The
response
from
the
commission
of
ethics,
we
requested
to
the
commission
of
Ethics
that
it
be
made
public
immediately
and
so
we're
going
to
go
into
a
list
and
I
brought
the
list
out.
So
people
and
sometimes
I,
hear
things,
but
when
I
see
them
in
writing
as
I
hear
them,
it
sort
of
hits
home
and
I'm
able
to
absorb
it
a
little
bit
more.
J
So
we
have
a
fiduciary
duty
to
the
taxpayers
of
Tarpon
Springs
not
to
waste
their
money
and
I
also
asked
this
board
that
commissioner
Eisner
refrained
from
the
discussion
and
not
be
allowed
to
vote
on
any
motions
made
on
this
agenda
item
due
to
his
involvement
on
the
matter
and
what
he
may
be
responsible
for
City
attorney.
Can
you
opine
on
this
request
and
matter.
N
Commissioner,
the
voting
I
agree.
However,
the
law
says
that
if
you're,
an
elected
official
that
you
have
the
right,
even
if
you
have
a
conflict
to
discuss
the
issue,
but
you
you
can
be
precluded
from
voting
because
it
would
endure
some
kind
of
special
gain
or
loss.
Yes,
but
he
could
still
be
part
of
the
discussion.
Yes,
sir,.
J
O
Not
believe
it
was
frivolous,
I
saw
you
I
sat
here
while
you
attacked
Mr
Eisner,
while
you
called
him
names,
you
slandered
him
and
I
think
that
his
complaint
was
not
frivolous
at
all.
It
may
not
have
been
up
to
legal
requirements
per
the
ethics
board
because
they
seem
to
be
more
concerned
about
and
the
possibility
of
financial
gain,
but
so
maybe
that's
not
ethical,
so
maybe
it
wasn't
an
ethical
issue
where
it
certainly
wasn't
frivolous
and
it
certainly
certainly
wasn't
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
even
know
what
to
say.
O
I
mean
there
are
lots
of
words.
I
am
so
tired
of
you,
two
picking
on
each
other
constantly
it's
back
and
forth.
It's.
Fourth,
and
back
it's
like
you,
pick
on
him,
he
picks
on
you
guys
have
been
digging
the
wage,
the
other
for
a
year.
I
personally,
am
just
so
entirely
tired
of
it
that
I'm
tired
of
hearing
about
it.
You
two
need
to
move
on
start,
acting
like
a
responsible
commissioner
and
operate
for
the
city,
not
for
your
own
personal
thing
and
since
I'm
talking
motion
to
table.
A
J
J
His
complaint
was
because
he
does
not
take
criticism
well,
but
yet
there
are
still
plenty
of
unanswered
questions
the
following
day:
yes,
the
following
day
after
the
ethics
Workshop
Eisner
could
not
contain
himself
and
filed
a
frivolous
ethics
complaint
against
me.
Yes,
an
official
complaint
filed
with
the
commission
on
ethics
in
Tallahassee
Florida.
This
bullying
Behavior,
has
to
stop.
M
Coolius
just
keeps
bullying
me
and
telling
me
that
I'm
bullying,
but
it's
truthfully,
commissioner
culias
who's,
the
one
that's
doing
all
the
bullying
he
at
the
induction
that
we
had
here
went
on
for
30
minutes,
I
didn't
even
respond
to
him.
All
his
accusations
were
lies
and
and
non-truths
none
of
what
he
said
came
true.
None
of
what
he
said
had
any
facts
and
I
am
also
tired
of
hearing
this
nonsense.
M
I
don't
want
to
respond
to
it,
but
if
you
want
me
to
I'm
happy
to
respond
to
any
one
of
his
things,
I
just
don't
think
it'll
get
us
anywhere.
He
should
concentrate
on
trying
to
do
what
he
claims
he
wants
to
do,
which
is
work
for
the
residents,
but
he
doesn't.
He
wants
to
work
to
try
to
see
if
he
can
upset
me
and
he's
not
gonna.
C
N
N
A
M
My
thing,
yes,
a
claim
was
just
also
made
that
I
did
this.
For
my
own
self-satisfaction
I
want
to
know
what
self-satisfaction
that
was,
because
I
did
nothing
for
my
self-satisfaction.
I
sat
here.
I,
let
him
talk,
he
bellowed,
just
not
nothing
but
lies.
I
didn't
respond
to
it
and
I
felt.
That
is
the
best
way
to
stifle
him.
M
The
only
thing
was
at
the
last
meeting
when
commissioner
cooleyanis
made
a
comment,
and
he
brought
up
the
fact
that
I
brought
him
up
on
ethics,
which
I
felt
I
should
do
coolies
was
commissioner
coolies
was
the
one
who
responded
and
I
responded
to
him.
I
didn't
interrupt,
commissioner
coulianis
I
interrupted
coulias
because
he
said,
and
his
quote
was
that
they
threw
it
out.
They
threw
it
out
because
there's
a
lot
more
serious
things,
but
that's
that's
the
only
reason
so,
but
he
still
did
what
he
did
and
it
was
unethical
Behavior
what
he
did.
A
Okay,
let
me
commissioner
Cooley
asks
go
ahead
and,
and
finish.
J
J
J
J
O
J
J
No,
no
investigation
was
even
opened
up.
It
was
dismissed
on
its
face,
so
before
Eisner
came
became
a
commissioner.
He
would
come
up
to
the
podium
and
throw
stones
at
the
previous
Commission.
Now
he's
up
here.
He
chastises
his
people
for
not
throwing
their
stone
for
throwing
their
stones
at
him
point.
M
A
Order
and
exercises:
what
is
the
point,
what.
M
Is
the
point
of
order
is
I
spoke
with
respect
to
every
single
time
I
got
up
here
to
speak.
Commissioner
coolius
spoke
with
disrespect
every
time
he
got
up
and
he's
playing
like
he's.
Mr
innocent
there
were
times
I
had
to
tell
him
hey
ease
down,
you
were
being,
and
he
asked
me
was
I
disrespectful
and
I
said
yes.
Holding
up
pictures
of
Mark
at
the
Lightning
game,
I
mean
give
me
a
break.
I
mean
he's
talking
about
me.
I
got
up
here
and
I
was
very,
very
respectful
at
all
times.
A
J
Ahead,
the
city
was
forced
to
spend
675
dollars
with
their
attorneys
on
this
frivolous
ethics
complaint
that
Eisner
filed
the
day.
After
going
to
our
ethics
seminar,
Mr
Eisner
states,
he
ran
for
office
not
because
of
the
money,
but
because
he
loves
the
town,
so
the
money
paid
to
him
and
salary
is
not
much
as
Eisner
has
stated.
J
J
We
must
set
a
precedent,
the
conflict
of
interest
our
attorney
was
faced
with
because
of
the
actions
of
Eisner
caused
unnecessary
time
and
research
spent
to
research,
a
commissioner
filing
an
Ethics
complaint
on
another
commissioner.
She
clearly
describes
a
unique
situation
we
are
in
in
the
memo
she
wrote
to
the
mayor.
That
is
in
our
backup.
J
Xavier
will
continue
by
this
individual
and
others
who
will
weaponize
their
position
when
facing
criticism
by
another
member
of
the
board
mayor.
It
will
not
stop
until
this
behavior
is
addressed
with
financial
responsibility.
The
taxpayers
of
Tarpon
Springs
should
not
be
burdened
with
just
like
Eisner
noted,
when
Mr
Carr
had
an
Ethics
complaint
filed
against
him.
Eisner
wanted
Mr
Carter
pay
for
the
attorney
fees
that
the
city
expended
in
defending
him.
J
J
This
is
about
taxpayers
not
being
given
the
burden
of
childish,
behavior
or
bullying
individuals
by
an
elected
official
who
weaponizes
their
position
in
office,
and
it's
another
reason
we
talk
about
how
some
of
these
Commissioners
come
up
here
and
say:
I
didn't
answer
any
questions
or
they're.
You
know
they
didn't
have
to
answer
any
questions,
but
hey,
there's
a
big
reason.
Why
we're
moving
to
the
first
and
third
Tuesdays
of
the
of
the
year
now
for
regular
session
and
I
won't
get
into
that
unless
I
need
to.
But
that's
what
transparency
is
about.
J
J
Are
you
going
to
allow
Commissioners
to
weaponize
their
position
that
helped
create
a
conflict
of
interest
in
which
City
attorneys
wouldn't
be
able
to
represent
the
other
elected
officials,
and
are
you
going
to
allow
this
Behavior
to
where
the
citizens
of
Tarpon
Springs
have
to
foot
the
bill
for
it
being
frivolous,
and
that
was
from
the
commission
of
Ethics
I?
Don't
need
any
commissioner.
Their
opinion
doesn't
mean
nothing
to
me.
The
commission
of
Ethics
is
the
one
who
makes
that
decision.
M
Do
this
is
from
Regina
Kardash
and
it
said
I
did
not
provide
commissioner
coulias
any
representation
on
his
complaints,
specifically
only
to
advise
them
that
I
reviewed
everything
and
I
was
precluded
from
representing
him
in
the
circumstance.
So
it
was
commissioner
culias
I
apologize
if
I
use
your
name
just
letting.
You
know
that
it
was
commissioner
coolius
which
he
doesn't
even
have
the
decency
to
address
me,
as
commissioner
Eisner
had
did
a
complete
attack
on
me.
Okay
and
my
response
to
him
is
he's
now
asking
me
to
pay
for
attorney
fees
that
he
created.
M
He
did
not
have
to
ask
either
one
of
our
city
attorneys
for
their
advice.
He
could
have
hired
a
private
attorney
and
done
whatever
he
wanted
to
do.
If
you
want
me
to
pay
that
675
okay,
then
I
want
you
to
pay
for
all
of
the
time
of
the
attorney's
fees
that
you
consumed.
Bothering
everybody
about
asking
our
attorney
here,
Mr
salesman
about
ex
parte
communication
about
setting
up
the
workshop.
You
blew
thousands
of
dollars
of
wasted
taxpayer
money
to
and-
and
you
spoke
with,
Mark
you
spoke
with
everybody-
and
everybody
said
to
you.
M
There
was
nothing
done,
but
that
wasn't
good
enough
for
you.
So
if
you
want
to
talk
about
immature
Behavior,
you
put
your
foot
down
and
said
I'm,
not
even
going
to
the
meeting
unless
we
get
to
talk
about
this
I've
never
done
anything
like
that.
For
someone
like
you,
that
has
a
track
record
like
you
have
and
I
have
no
track
record
in
New
York
as
a
nor'e,
northeasternere
and
I
have
no
track
record
here,
but
you
have
quite
the
track
record
for
telling
long
tails
and
you're
continuing
to
do
it.
M
I
thought
you
grew
up
the
first
year
that
you
were
up
on
this
Deus
but
you're,
proving
to
me
the
board
and
the
residents
that
you
don't
have
that
this
675
means
so
much
to
you
or
so
much
to
the
residents,
no
you're
just
looking
to
pick
and
you'll
continue
to
do
so.
Until
someone
stifles
you
and
has
a
resolution
to
shut
you
up,
that's
what
you
need
and
I
don't
understand
why
you
keep
want
to
play
this
game
instead
of
spending
our
time
to
move
this
city
forward.
M
You
want
to
spend
the
time
tearing
this
down.
All
I
hear
from
you
is
that
we
have
lawsuits
coming
and
you
you
lied
and
said
that
I
was
removed
from
three
rotary
clubs.
It's
a
lie:
I
resigned
and
I
have
the
resignation,
letters
if
you'd
like
to
see
them,
but
I
don't
even
want
I,
don't
even
care
whether
you
think
so
or
not.
You
made
everything
that
you
said
was
a
lie.
Everything
and
you
stick
to
it
because
you,
you
know
that's
what
your
life
has
been
a
lie.
M
A
O
Know
I've
said
this
already:
I'm
actually
embarrassed
for
the
both
of
you,
not
not
just
you
I'm
embarrassed
for
both
of
you
who
keep
picking
at
each
other
and
I,
don't
know
what
to
say
to
the
community.
It's
like
it's
an
embarrassing
situation.
Both
of
you
need
to
learn
to
grow
up
and
drop
this.
You
may
not
agree
on
anything
that
doesn't
matter
you're
here
to
represent
the
city,
not
your
individual
complaints
against
each
other,
and
you
can't
bury
it
under
well.
O
I
was
just
joking
about
this,
or
in
your
case
you
can't
bury
it
under
transparency
and
tarponites
and
stuff
like
that.
This
is
your
Vendetta
James
Eisner,
it's
eisner's
response
and
he's
been
dead
against
you
and,
quite
frankly,
this
is
just
incomprehensible
that
we
have
to
continue
to
hear
this
month
after
month,
after
month,
grow
up
drop.
It
represent
the
city.
K
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
tell
commissioner
Cooley
has
to
grow
up
he's
an
elected,
official
and
and
I.
Don't
I,
don't
think
that's
necessary
talking
about
the
actual
issue
here.
K
If,
if
for
us
to
determine
we
don't
we
don't
want
to
encourage
frivolous
complaints
filed
against
each
other,
and
if
the
city
incurs
money,
you'd
want
that
you,
you
know
on
one
side
of
me,
says
yeah
we
should
have
reimbursement.
If
it's
frivolous,
however,
who
determines
frivolous,
we
can't
determine
frivolous.
K
We
don't
determine
that
and
again
we
don't
always
I
mean
they
can
write,
say:
okay,
we
don't
think
there
was
grounds,
but
it's
a
slippery
slope
for
us
to
try
to
determine
what's
frivolous
and
then
ask
ask
Commissioners
to
pay
things
back.
So
in
that
case,
I'm
not
I,
wouldn't
be
in
in
I'd,
be
in
opposition
to
you
know,
asking
any
commissioner
to
have
to
pay
money
back.
K
I
would,
however,
I'd
prefer
if
we
could
have
some
other
Avenue
for
resolution.
You
know.
Maybe
some
of
these
things
have
a
personal
nature
to
them.
They
don't
they're,
not
necessarily
talking
about
an
issue,
something
we
vote
on.
These
are
kind
of
again
personal
things
that
now
I
I
think
that
there
and
I
think
the
vice
Mayors
is
correct.
That
there's
enough
blame
to
go
back
and
forth,
and
it's
not
just
on
commissioner
kulias
and
it's
not
just
on
commissioner
Eisner.
K
You
know
and
I,
don't
think
anybody
would
that
say
that
we
were
at
this
board.
I
wasn't
sitting
here,
but
that
this
board
was
completely
fair
to
commissioner
Carr.
You
know
talking
about
whether
he
wears
a
jacket
or
whether
you
know
things
of
that
nature.
So
I
think
we've
had
enough
I'm
I'm
with
I'm
I'm,
with
the
vice
mayor
that
we've
had
enough.
Now,
none
of
us
have
time
machines.
We
can't
go
back
and
change
things,
we've
said
or
done,
but
we
do
have
some
personal
self-control
going
forward.
K
There's
not
anything
that
I've
ever
said
that
if
I
look
back,
I
wouldn't
have
changed
a
word
here
or
there
and
and
done
something
different,
that's
just
human
nature,
but
we
do
have
you
know
this
board
has
about
another
year
and
a
half
left
of
service
and
we
can
either
choose
to
move
forward
dignified
and
try
to
do
what's
best
for
the
community,
or
we
can
continue
to
have
all
the
turmoil
that
we
seem
to
have
to
this
point
again.
K
We
don't
have
time
machines,
we
can't
go
back,
but
we
do
have
control
of
what
we
do
going
forward
and
I.
Don't
think
again
telling
a
commissioner
to
grow
up
today.
That
I
think
that
just
compounds
problems,
I,
don't
think
that's
necessary,
but
I
wouldn't
necessarily
be
in
favor
of
requesting
a
reimbursement
for
anybody,
because
I
don't
think
we
can
determine
frivolous.
A
Okay,
you
know
it's
it's
for
me.
It's
one
of
these
things
that
it's
really
hard
to
talk
about.
I
know
what
needs
to
be
done
and
I'm
actually
quite
disappointed
in
in
the
commission
right
now
in
a
variety
of
different
ways.
I
think
we
could
do
much
better,
and
certainly
this
is
a
want.
The
residents
want
in
terms
of
providing
service
to
them
so
I'm,
certainly
representation,
I,
there's
not
much
I
can
say
each
commissioner
was
elected
to
hold
office.
A
They,
as
you
heard,
Mr
salesman.
They
can
speak
their
piece.
They
can
do
what
they
want.
I.
Quite
frankly,
you
know.
One
thing
is
you
could
use
the
word
frivolous
that
that
means
something
about
somebody
doing
something.
There's
another
thing:
that's
called
retaliatory,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
retaliation
going
on
up
here
as
well.
You
know,
one
person
does
one
thing
and
then
the
other
person
has
to
retaliate,
then
they
retaliate
and
it
goes
forward
and
I.
A
You
know
it's
going
to
be
up
to
each
individual
commissioner
to
to
basically
Maybe
search
themselves
as
far
as
deciding
how
they
can
do
better
if
they
believe
they.
If
what
they're
doing
is
not
good,
and
maybe
they
could
figure
out
how
they'd
do
better
I
I
can't
personally
counsel
any
of
the
Commissioners,
because
there's
a
Sunshine,
Law,
I
I,
don't
know
what
to
do.
Maybe
you
all
could
seek
some
advice,
maybe
with
the
individual
attorneys,
maybe
to
kind
of
help.
A
You
know
you
can
look
at
the
invoices
I
call
the
attorneys
they
charge
for
taking
my
telephone
call
and
and
I
ask
them
questions,
and
is
it
frivolous
I,
don't
think
it's
frivolous,
but
I
still
eat
up,
attorney's
fees,
I
I,
think
any
of
you.
Commissioners
have
called
com
the
attorneys
and
master
opinion.
A
A
Don't
know,
I
didn't
speak
to
her
about
that
until
I
actually
saw
the
the
invoice
and-
and
that
was
the
end
of
that
on
that
one
I
know
that
there
was
some
other
issues
loose
ends
that
she
had
asked
to
that
I.
Don't
quite
recall
her
response
about
Mr
Salzman,
maybe
looking
into
it.
I,
don't
know,
but
I
want
to
hear
from
him
after
I'm
done
and
then
we
can
go
back
to
commissioner
for
what
he
wants
to
do
and
then
again
back
to
commissioner
Eisner.
A
So
that's
all
I've
got
to
say
I
I'm
not
for
making
anybody
reimburse
fees,
I
mean
there's
we
we
spend
money
on
the
attorneys.
If
it's
we
have
a
resolution
that
covers
our
expenses.
If
we
do
hire
an
attorney
and
they
provide
defense
for
us
and
and
the
ruling
on
an
Ethics
complaint-
is
there's
no
probable
cause
or
it
doesn't
reach
legal
sufficiency
and
whatever
money
is
spent.
The
city
repays
that
or
else
in
some
particular
cases.
The
City
attorney
would
provide
that
defense.
A
That's
our
resolution,
that's
for
any
public
official
and
if
you
notice
Mrs,
kardash's
email,
it
doesn't
reference
specifically
Commissioners.
It
talks
about
in
terms
of
public
officials,
department,
heads
City,
attorneys,
City,
Clerks,
internal
auditor
Etc,
in
addition
to
the
city
commission,
so
that
that's
my
position
on
this
Mr
Salzman
I
want
to
hear
from
you
if,
if
there's
any
follow-up
to
Mrs
kardash's
email
as
far
as
what
your
thoughts
are
on
on
reimbursement
and
also
whether
in
fact,
you
can
get
anybody
to
to
pay
under
the
state
statutes.
N
Well,
I
think
this
was
brought
up
as
a
unique
situation.
I
think
that's
what
Regina
looked
at
it
and
that's
obviously
the
reference,
because
I
haven't
seen
any
situation
like
this
before
and
and
I've
represented
many
people
and
I'm,
currently
representing
people
in
front
of
the
commission
on
ethics.
Normally,
that's
exactly
how
you
said
mayor
it
is.
It
is
normally
when
either
an
elected
official
or
some
official
from
a
government
agency
has
been
had
an
Ethics
complaint
against
them.
N
There
are
two
ways
of
doing
it.
The
the
usual
way
is
that
person
ends
up
hiring
an
attorney
defending
themselves
and
if
they're
exonerated
or
the
charges
are
dropped,
they
come
back
to
the
municipality
or
government
agency
and
has
to
be
reimbursed.
The
the
board
makes
a
determination
based
on
some
case
law
and
and
that
reimbursement
occurs.
There
have
been
the
situation
and
I've
been
an
attorney
that
was
hired
by
a
government
agency,
defend
a
particular
individual.
N
The
uniqueness
here
is
that
it's
Commissioners
against
Commissioners
bringing
that
forward.
That
is
not
something
you
normally
see.
I've
only
seen
it
a
handful
of
times,
I'm
actually
handling
one
right
now
with
one.
Commissioner
brought
allegations
against
the
rest
of
the
board,
which
is
very
different,
but
so
this
is
a
very
unique
situation.
N
I
would
only
say
to
you
that
in
and
I
know,
Regina
is
the
one
who's
been
handling
this.
If
you
are
going
to
do
something,
if
you
are
going
to
adopt
a
policy,
you
have
to
think
it
through
as
your
policy,
because
there's
a
lot
of
issues
there.
What
if
you
vote
that
somebody
needs
to
reimburse
and
they
don't
what?
What
are
what
what
occurs
in
that
situation?
N
So
you
have
to
look
into
some
of
the
contingencies
on
it,
but
it
is
it's
something
I've
never
seen
before,
where
it's
been
the
use
of
the
City
attorney.
Now,
in
this
case,
as
Regina
I
think
said,
in
her
email
that
she
researched
the
issue
and
didn't
give
any
legal
advice
on
this
particular
area,
which
is
the
appropriate
thing
same
thing
that
I
would
have
done.
N
Had
somebody
contacted
me
because
it's
not
appropriate
when
you
have
two
Commissioners
to
have
the
City
attorney
act
in
that
capacity,
so
so
it
is
a
unique
situation
just
on
a
bigger
scale,
as
was
kind
of
meant
mentioned.
We
were
certainly
hoping
after
the
ethics
seminar,
that
everybody
would
calm
down
and
and
and
just
try
to
work
together,
I
think
as
a
vice
mayor's
put
it
all
out
there
that
you
all
have
to
work
together,
so
it
somewhat
difficult
and
we're
hoping
that
you
all
will
get
past
these
things.
Okay,.
C
J
A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
go
to
public
comments.
Are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
matter
from
anyone.
P
291
Douglas
Lane
Tarpon
Springs
Florida
a
few
months
back
when
I
first
started
coming
to
Commissioners
meetings.
Commissioner
coulias
read
a
very
long
letter
about
five
or
six
pages,
and
it
was
really
very,
very
detailed,
but-
and
it
was
just
against
the
two
gentlemen
here,
which
is
two
men
bumping
heads
but
then
part
of
the
letter
addressed
Mr
eisen's
wife,
then
Mr
Osmond's
wife
came
to
this
chamber
and
she
asked
she
read
her
rebuttal
and
then
she
asked
for
an
apology.
I
can
understand
you,
gentlemen:
bickering.
P
Whatever
you
have
to
do,
maybe
y'all
need
to
have
some
kind
of
counseling.
Somebody
talk
to
you
all
together,
get
it
squashed,
because
we
only
have
four
minutes
up
here
as
as
Citizens.
When
we
step
up
here,
we
only
get
four
minutes.
I
see
y'all
talking
almost
30
minutes
on
the
same
subject.
That's
been
happening
four
or
five
months
ago,
so
I
would
like
to
see
y'all
come
together,
work
it
out,
because
y'all
should
be
able
to
agree
to
disagree
and
respect
each
other
and
especially
in
front
of
us.
P
But
I
would
like
to
ask
that
Mr
cooleyos
with
all
due
respect
to
you.
Please
give
Mr
eisman's
wife
of
apology
because,
as
a
lady
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
hard
to
hear
that
comment
about
her.
So
that's
the
only
thing
y'all
can
y'all
can
find
it
out.
I'll
sit
back
and
eat
my
popcorn,
but
I
would
like
to
see
something
addressed
to
Mrs
Eisner
as
a
woman.
P
A
Ms
Taylor:
is
there
any
other
public
comments
here
from
anyone
sitting
here
in
the
audience,
Mr
jumper?
Are
there
any
remote
access
comments.
G
I
514
Ashland
Avenue
well
guys,
I,
know
y'all
and
it's
just
giving
the
city
a
black
guy,
y'all
gotta
find
some
way
to
talk
it
out
or
work
it
out,
because
all
we're
going
to
do
is
get
another
article
from
Tracy,
badmouth
and
Tarpon
and
you're
not
getting
on
with
things
that
are
more
important
and
you're
giving
litigants.
On
the
other
side.
I.E
tries
to
no
lobe
and
Company
more
ammunition
and
more
fodder
to
use
against
the
city.
I
G
He
seems
to
be
having
some
kind
of
difficulty:
I,
don't
I'm,
not
sure
if
she
is
still
on.
If
you
are,
if
you
are
there.
A
Q
Okay,
my
thing
was
that
I'm
listening
to
what's
going
on
at
the
on
the
diets
there
with
the
two
Gentlemens
and
the
Commissioners,
the
person
of
business,
need
to
be
addressed
not
on
diets,
because
we
are
as
as
a
city
like
you
said,
before,
on
the
front
line,
and
if
this
business
that
we
are
discussing
something
that's
previous
happening
in
the
years
ago,
why
wasn't
it
brought
up?
Then?
If
there
is
a
problem
and
to
the
mayor,
you
are
in
control
of
the
gavel.
Please
use
it.
A
Right,
thank
you
Ms
day,
commissioner
Eisner
you've
got
your
light
on.
Do
you
have
anything
they.
M
Do
you
know
I
had
listened
for
probably
20
minutes
or
30
minutes
to
pure
slander
of
my
wife,
pure
slander
of
me,
just
a
slew
of
things
that
I
don't
want
to
go
into.
I
have
no
joy
in
responding
to
any
of
the
comments
that
he's
made.
M
I
didn't
start
this
I,
don't
want
to
finish
it
I
want
to
end
it
and
truthfully
I'm,
just
in
a
position
where
every
two
weeks,
I've
gotten
comments,
I'm
eating,
candy,
I've,
gotten
comments:
I
slouched
in
my
seat,
I've
gotten
comments,
I,
wear,
Christmas
lights,
disrespectfully
I
mean
when
does
it
stop?
He
he's,
commissioner
kulius
is
defending
Carr
who's.
Not
here
he
voted
to
put
my
wife
in
and
then
he
broke
our
rules
of
procedure
and
screamed
I
wanted
to
resign.
Well,
it's
not
the
commission
to
ask
any
volunteer
board
member
to
resign.
M
It's
a
vote.
That's
three
to
five
three
out
of
the
five,
so
he's
been
just
nothing
but
disrespectful
I,
don't
know
how
you
people
would
accept.
Having
your
other
half
he's,
not
a
married
person.
If
you
attack
my
wife,
you're
attacking
me
I,
let
it
all
go.
I
was
called
a
Russian
Bolshevik
communist
I've
been
called
in
North,
Nor'easter
or
northeaster.
M
Whatever
these
these
nasty
comments
that
he's
made
at
me,
the
only
comment
I've
made
back
to
him
is
this
is
not
the
behavior
I
want
to
deal
with
and
I
apologize
that
vice
mayor
I
apologize
for
any
comment.
I've
made,
that's
derogatory
that
you
did
not
appreciate,
and
that
goes
for
everybody.
M
I
I,
don't
want
to
be
in
this
spitting
contest,
but
we
went
from
three
days
of
this
person
being
in
the
hospital
and
me
visiting
him
to
the
day.
Four
I
hate
you
and
I
hate,
your
wife
and
there's
just
you
just
popped
out
of
the
out
of
the
sky.
So
if
anybody
here
would
to
get
this
kind
of
ridicule
and
and
screaming
that
my
wife
is
my
conduit
and
all
these
kinds
of
things,
how
do
you
respond
to
that?
I've
got
to
sit
here?
M
I
have
no
issues
with
him.
Okay,
he
has
issues
with
me.
He
started
this
and
he's
continuing
it
and
he's
running
up
bills
for
the
attorneys
and
wasting
everyone's
time.
I'm
happy
to
take
this
all
and
throw
it
to
the
curb
I
have
no
issues
with
him.
He
has
issues
with
me
and
regardless
what
we
decide
I
would
believe
he
will
continue
this
because
he
has.
M
He
has
some
sort
of
agenda
item
that
none
of
us
know,
but
he
knows
because
there's
no
reason
that
people
just
pull
this
out
of
the
sky
I
mean
for
somebody
to
wear
Christmas
lights
and
him
to
pick
on.
It
is
ridiculous,
so
I
I
have
nothing
else.
I,
really
care
to
share
on
this
I'm
willing
to
drop
it.
I
agree
with
commissioner
kuleanos
I
agree
with
the
mayor:
I'm
not
looking
to
precipitate.
M
A
Okay,
if
there's
no
other
commissioner
comments
and
and
no
I'm
I.
J
Have
to
do
my
little
rebuttal
or
we're
going
to
get
it
out
the
way,
and
that's
that's
the
whole
point
we
wanted
to.
We
wanted
to
get
it
hashed
out
in
a
meeting
that
way.
We
can
all
move
forward
and
put
on
agenda
which
it
was
like
today
and
hey
when
you
file
an
official
Complaint,
it's
an
official
Complaint,
okay
and
the
frustrating
part
is
we
had
to
keep
silent
until
I
made
it
public
and
the
city
attorneys
brought
up
many
times.
J
J
You
know
growing
up,
you
know
what
the
biggest
disappointment
about
this
board
has.
Was
this
whole
time
that
the
wise
men,
the
senior
leadership
on
this
board,
have
addressed
failed
to
address
some
of
the
behaviors
of
Mr
Eisner
from
the
lights
from
the
snack
eating
to
where
it's
gotten?
To
this
point
and
that's
why
the
mayor's
smiling
right
now,
because
nobody
wanted
to
address
it,
we
had
to
create
a
mute
button
that
way
we
could
hide
the
snacking
going
on.
J
We
never
had
the
mute
button
before,
and
so
you
talk
about
growing
up,
I'm
truthful
up
here.
I
go
to
sleep
really
good
at
night,
when
I
tell
people
what's
on
my
heart
and
when
I
know
what's
on
the
Citizen's
heart,
so
believe
me,
the
little
group
up
here.
That's
you
know
you
want
to
come
support.
You
should
you
should
come
support
in
every
way,
but
there's
a
lot
of
support
out
there
I'll
tell
you
that
there's
a
lot
and
I
don't
need
to
round
up
the
troops
and
as
far
as.
N
J
J
You
know
people
just
don't
really
understand,
and
so
with
that
said,
it
was
an
embarrassment
to
file
a
complaint
with
the
commission
on
ethics
and
to
do
it
the
day
after
the
ethics
training.
That
was
a
disrespect
to
the
mayor
directly,
who
helped
put
this
all
together,
and
so
we
talk
about
frivolous.
J
It's
not
up
for
any
of
you
to
decide
what
frivolous
was,
but
the
commission
on
ethics
definitely
decided,
and
some
of
you
can
sit
there
and
scream
and
howl
over
the
top
when
it
becomes
an
agenda
item
that
you
want
to
get
your
popularity
in.
But
you
looked
really
wrong
in
that
situation
and
what
you're
doing
is
condoning
frivolous,
behavior
and
I.
J
A
N
M
No
place
on
here
that
this
says
this
is
frivolous,
no
place
it
just
so
I,
don't
know
where
he's
coming
up
with
this,
that
it's
frivolous
they
just
didn't
want
to
entertain
it,
because
there
was
nothing
for
me
to
gain.
That
was
the
bottom
line
and
the
rest
of
what
he's
got
to
say.
I,
like
I,
said
I'm
happy
to
move
forward.
He
will
not
all
right
is
there.
Is
there.
J
A
Emotion
dies
for
lack
of
second
I
would
like
one
thing
to
and
I
don't
know
that
it
needs
to
be
a
emotion
and
a,
but
I
would
like
for
the
city
manager
to
get
the
city
managers
in
charge
of
the
agenda
and
the
say
I
would
like
for
the
city
manager
to
get
with
the
attorneys
in
terms
of
our
rules
of
procedure.
A
But
right
now
the
city
manager
has
no
choice,
but
when
he
gets
a
request
from
a
commissioner
to
to
put
that
policy
item
on
there,
regardless
of
what
it
is
or
anything
and
I
don't
know.
If
there's
any
interest
from
the
commission
to
do
that,
if
you
don't
have
any
interest,
then
we'll
just
leave
it
at
that.
But
I
think
that's
part
of
the
issue
of
of
expending
time
up
here.
The
way
we
did
this
evening
and
I'd
like
to
hear
just
down
the
line,
Vice
Maryland,
do
you
have
any
interest
in
that?
M
Think
if
it's
a
agenda
item
and
the
city
manager
feels
it's
not
worthy,
he
should
go
and
get
a
three-member
vote
to
see
if
it
should
go
forward.
I.
A
Mean
I
don't
know,
I
can't
do
that
anyway.
That's
okay!
Well,
let
me
just
commissioner,
do
you
have
anything
hi.
J
Yeah
the
bottom
line:
this
was
a
policy
making
decision
yeah.
You
can
tie
it
into
being
personal,
but
when
it
happens
to
one
of
you,
then
you're
going
to
see
what's
going
to
happen
or
what
happens
to
future
people
on
this
board,
then
we're
going
to
see
what
the
policy
is,
but
you've
really
sat
here
and
condoned,
frivolous
Behavior.
K
Had
legitimacy
to
it
in
the
sense
that
it's
a
it's
a
question
about
reimbursement,
obviously
it
regressed
into
something
far
worse
than
just
talking
about
the
issue,
but
I,
don't
think
that
we
should
limit
Commissioners
being
able
to
put
things
on
the
agenda
I
just.
N
You
know
this
evening
was
a
perfect
example.
If
the,
if
the
board
didn't
want
to
discuss
this,
there
was
a
motion
in
the
table.
There
was
not
a
second,
so
that's
how
many
times
you
deal
with
it.
It
puts
the
city
manager
in
a
really
tough
position
to
have
to
pick
and
choose
what
to
put
on
the
agenda
in
that
situation.
He
works
for
all
five
of
you
and,
and
you
can't
really
put
them
in
that
situation.
N
A
The
one
thing
that
I
want
to
be
clear
and
I
guess
I'm
I'm
just
trying
to
seek
some
help
here.
This
day
mentioned
and
I
I
think
that's
I've
heard
those
comments
before
that.
I
should
gavel
people
down
more
often,
but
that's
why
I've
turned
to
the
City
attorney
and
asked
them
whether
we've
exceeded
professional
decorum
or
have
gone
through
some
rules
of
procedure
that
we
haven't
and
he
says
we
haven't
broken
anything
so
I
really
don't
have
the
ability
to
gavel
anybody
down
unless
there's
some
some
really
and
I
know.
There's
words.
A
The
word
used
tonight
was
slanderous
and
and
slanderous
comments
made
and
things
like
that.
I
guess
it
all
falls
back
to
individual
Commissioners
that
are
just
going
to
have
to
exercise
their
own
judgment
and
just
be
considerate
of
of
who
they're
talking
about
to
try
and
and
stick
to
the
point
of
what
the
policy
issue
is
rather
than
than
making
it
more
of
a,
in
my
opinion,
more
of
a
personal
issue
which
I
believe
is
what
it
was
this
evening.
A
So
if
there's
nothing
else,
then
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
move
to
the
ordinances
and
resolutions.
Does
anybody
need
a
break
I
think
we
just
need
to
move
on
with
these
things.
They
should
go
along:
okay,
ordinances
of
resolutions,
item
14,
Dixie,
Highway,
land
use
and
rezoning
second
reading
Mr
salesman
if
he
could
read
the
actually
ordinance
2020,
there's
two
parts
to
this:
there's
the
ordinance
2023-03
and
2023-04.
A
The
second
one
is
quasi-judicial,
so
I
guess
we
need
to
do
quasi-judicial.
Okay,
so
we'll
combine
both
of
them
in
the
quasi-judicial
process.
A
Mr
salesman,
if
you
can
read
the
procedures
for
the
quasi-judicial
procedure
and
then
swear
anybody
in
that
is
that
is
here
is-
is
to
provide
testimony.
N
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
Board
of
Commissioners
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
N
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
N
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
that
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant
if
anyone's
going
to
testify.
Please
stand
and
raise
your
right
hand.
N
A
You
want
to
read
both
of
them;
usually
we
won't
do
the
quasi-judicial
and
then
we
do
a
the
second
one
is
that's
right.
I.
R
Good
evening
mayor
vice
mayor
Commissioners,
both
of
these
ordinances
are
on
for
the
same
piece
of
property,
the
city-owned
property,
where
we
have
some
of
our
Public
Works
facilities
or
utility
facilities,
the
lift
station,
the
RO
Brian
injection
well
in
some
offices
and
storage,
the
properties
on
South
side
of
Dixie
Highway.
It's
about
One.
A
R
You
have
the
land
use
which
we'll
hear
second,
but
you
did
review
the
rezoning
on
on
first
reading
on
May,
ninth
and
the
land
use
was
reviewed
on
May
23rd
and
we
had
to
wait
until
it
went
to
the
countywide
planning
Authority
on
the
land
use
to
change
the
county-wide
plan
that
occurred
on
August
1st.
R
They
did
approve
that
so
now
we're
back
for
second
readings,
there's
no
other
new
information
on
either
of
the
land
use
or
the
zoning
to
enter
into
the
record
I
would
enter
so
the
the
land
use
change
is
to
excuse
me
we're
doing
the
zoning
first.
Sorry,
the
zoning
is
to
change
the
current
zoning
from
RM
to
public
semi-public
and
then
the
land
use
change
is
from
residential
medium
to
Transportation
utility.
So
I'll
stop
there
and
answer
any
questions
again.
These
are
second
readings,
so
there's
really
nothing
new.
To
add
to
the
record
any.
A
A
A
Okay,
does
the
commission
I
guess
we're
at
the
point
of
making
a
motion
in
a
second
and
then,
if
there's
any
comments
or
discussion
on
that,
let's
motion
to
approve:
is
there
a
second
second?
Okay?
There
any
comments
from
the
commission
discussion.
Roll
call
please
this.
B
A
B
A
Lud,
yes,
mayor
badgeot,
yes,
okay!
Is
there
a
I'd
like
Mr
salesman,
If
You,
Could,
Read,
ordinance
2023-03
by
title
Please,
ordinance.
N
202303,
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
mending
the
future
land
use
map
for
1.0,
Acres,
more
or
less
of
real
property
located
on
the
south
side
of
Dixie
Highway,
approximately
400
feet,
east
of
North,
Pinellas
Avenue
from
land
use,
designation,
RM,
residential
medium
to
land,
use,
designation,
Tu,
Transportation
utility,
providing
for
findings
providing
first
ever
ability
providing
for
repeal
of
ordinances
or
parts
of
ordinances.
Inconsistent,
herewith
and
providing
an
effective
date
and
I
failed
to
tell
you
before
the
legal
advertising.
So
I
don't
want
Irene
to
yell.
A
Okay,
are
there
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
commission
on
this
item?
There's
nothing.
We
have
a
motion
to
approve
in
a
second
I.
A
A
A
I
A
Vice
mayor
Lund,
yes,
yes,
item
15
resolution,
2023-29
Mr
Salzman.
If
you
could
read
that
by
title
resolution,.
N
2023-29
a
resolution
in
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
Florida,
authorizing
changes
in
the
department
organization
of
Building
Development,
cultural
and
Civic
Services,
Human,
Resources,
Planning
and
Zoning
police,
Golf,
Course,
division
of
public
services
and
Public
Works,
including
the
addition
of
positions,
reclassification
and
regrading,
of
positions,
revision
of
job
descriptions
and
providing
for
an
effective
date.
Hereof.
A
Okay,
are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
O
Yeah,
the
only
sort
of
query
I
have
about
this
all
is
I
understand
what
we're
doing
is
it
in
our
24
budget
that
we
can
do
this?
Is
that
a
yes?
Yes,.
H
H
We
also
have
to
see
Ron
Herring
and
have
a
good
idea
from
you,
and
all
the
budget
means
what
our
budget
is
going
to
look
like
to
see
what
we
have
the
money
to
do
and
then,
when
we
come
to
this
and
we
have
a
situation
that
happened,
which
is
kind
of
unique
this
year
before
we
go
to
you.
Luckily
we
had
enough
time
this.
This
all
changed
the
beginning
of
August.
H
We
had
things
set,
we
were
ready
to
go,
we
were
funded,
we
were
all
set,
and
then
we
found
out
the
beginning,
August
of
the
county
in
Largo's
position
to
move
to
18
an
hour
away
from
the
50..
If
you
remember,
we
had
a
five-year
plan
to
move
to
15
an
hour.
We
did
that
in
four
years
and
we
got
there.
So
this
was
the
year
we
were
breathing.
We
were
a
year
early
and
then
this
criteria
hitched
with
all
the
other
cities
around
okay,
it's
going
to
be
this
ground,
we'll
see.
H
So
the
next
thing
we
had
to
do
is
go
to
Iran
and
see
what
we
could
do
where
we
had
the
money
to
fund
some
of
these
extra
things.
And
you
know,
surprisingly,
we
were
in
a
better
place
than
we
thought.
We
were
because
the
last
four
years
of
doing
The
Graduate
ranges.
So
we
didn't
have
great
compression
issues.
We
didn't
have
as
many
people
off
as
we
thought,
but
it
was
still
a
financial
situation,
and
that
was
a
situation
where
Ron
and
before
I
could
come
to
you
with
this.
H
There
needed
to
be
the
money
without
any
sacrifices
and
again
Ron
will
be
here.
If
you
want
to
explain,
but
we
were
comfortably,
he
found
the
money
to
fund
all
this
and
the
graduated
8.5
to
5.
again.
Originally,
this
was
going
to
be
five
percent
across
the
board
which
changed,
but
that
amount
of
money
to
do
these
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
the
rural
organizations,
especially
dealing
with
moving
the
public
work.
H
The
attention
of
this
budget
and
it
kind
of
included
these
the
lower
positions
and
needed
to
move
the
salaries
was
in
public
works.
All
that
money
was
found
without
sacrifice
by
Ron,
and
that
enabled
us
to
bring
It
Forward
because
otherwise
I'd
have
brought
it
forward
and
tell
you
what
we
had
to
sacrifice.
H
Well,
we
had
to
sacrifice
for
it.
So
we're
able
to
do
this.
I
can
tell
you
right
now:
we've
got
a
two
or
three
year
plan
to
get
to
the
18
an
hour
which
is
probably
going
to
be
consistent
with
the
other
cities.
Who's
got
to
scramble
it's
not
as
easy
as
moving
just
like
with
the
15
an
hour.
You
can't
just
move
everybody
to
18,
because
you
cause
the
worst
compression
of
position,
we're
still
trying
to
get
out
of
the
compression
some
compression
issues
over
the
four
years.
H
We
did
it
well
and
there's
very
little,
but
you
can't
just
compress
it
so
it
has
to
be
a
gradual.
You
can't
just
move
the
15
an
hour
people
you
need
to
move
everybody
along
the
way,
so
there's
evenness,
so
I
can
tell
you.
This
is
probably
what
you're
seeing
here
is:
probably
the
10th
version
and
I
give
Ron
credit.
Ron
came
up
with
this
10th
version
of
the
8.5
to
5
and
because
every
time
you
come
with
a
version,
you
got
to
put
everybody's
salary
in
a
spreadsheet.
Where
are
you
Pro?
H
Are
you
jumping
people
over
other
people?
Are
you
it's
a
long
process,
but
this
process
enables
to
do
that
and
by
the
next
two
years,
we'll
be
able
to
to
reach
that
goal.
The
County
Administrator
made
an
impassioned
thing
why
he
was
forced
to
do
that
and
Largo
to
do
that.
Obviously,
everybody
knows
whether
it's
groceries
or
whatever
it
is
the
need
to
do
it.
H
So
we
were
able
to
do
what
Ron
was
able
to
find
it
in
the
budget
to
enable
it
to
go
through,
and
that's
why
we're
able
to
bring
that
tonight
or
we've
brought
you
something
else
where
we've
got
a
dilemma
and
we
might
need
to
you
know
this
board
will
be
decision.
Do
we
cut
someone
else
to
do
this?
Do
we
scale
this
down,
but
Ron
was
able
to
be
able
to
come
to
this
meeting
and
affirm
to
you
that
the
money
is
found
and
we
can
do
it
and
I
think
it's
it's.
H
It's
a
great
plan
for
our
employees
moving
forward
to
be
fair,
keep
them
competitive
to
what's
going
on
and
not
fall
behind
in
those
positions
and
the
toughness
that
it
is
to
hire
those
those
positions
of
a
lower
pay
grade,
they're,
getting
just
as
tough
as
the
the
higher
positions
right
now
so
to
keep
us
in
there
to
get
the
good
people
that
you
see.
H
K
Yeah,
you
know
we
want
to.
Obviously
we
value
our
employees
that
just
like
commissionerizer
was
saying
to
Mr
function
about
the
guys
working
working
hard.
We
want
to
move
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
increase
wages,
so
people
can
live
a
living.
Wage
15
doesn't
is,
is
a
tough
life.
K
K
So
I'm
I'm
pleased
that
we're
able
to
to
now
that
we
have
a
year
where
our
assessed
values
of
properties
is
up
and
we
have
extra
Revenue
to
be
able
to
raise
our
employees
compensation
and
get
moving
towards
getting
closer
to
that
to
people
having
a
living
wage
and
I
want
to
again
always
commend
my
friend,
Ron
Herring
I
know
he
works
tirelessly
to
especially
this
time
of
the
year
to
push
the
pencil
and
make
everything,
balance
and
I
know
he
works
really
hard
and
obviously
our
and
our
city
manager,
who
you
know
who
makes
everything
go,
and
so
he
knows
how
I
feel
about
him.
A
All
right,
I'm
just
glad
we
can
move
forward
continuing
to
bump
this
up
along
the
way
and-
and
you
know
like
I
guess
you
could
take
a
big
jump
but
I
think
slows
good
in
this
particular
case,
so
we'll
eventually
get
there.
If
there's
no
other,
did
we
get
a
motion
in
a
second
yet
second,.
B
J
A
A
Okay,
are
there
any
public
comments
on
this
item?
A
M
One
comment
I
have
is
there
is
no?
How
do
we
deal
with
issues
when
they
come
up?
Would
that
be
board
decisions?
Would
there
be
any
sort
of
penalties?
You
know
for
breaking
these
things?
That's
one
question
I
had
and
then
I'm
happy
to
see
this
social
media
policy
in
here,
but
there
is
a
part
and
I
believe
me.
I
do
not
want
to
bring
this
up
as
to
continue
what
we
had,
but
this
was
brought
up
to
me
that
there
was
a
commissioner
that
posted
their
opinion
on
annexing
and.
N
N
M
My
my
only
comment
would
be
if
any
commissioner
would
want
to
put
something
out
there
to
please
so
that
we
don't
have
any
problems
say
that
it's
your
own
personal
and
individual
comment,
I
personally,
I'm,
not
posting
anything
anymore,
I'm
done
so
that's
my
I'll
post
about
flowers
and
my
kids
and
everything
else.
So
that's
it.
A
Well,
thank
you
vice
mayor
Lunt,
you
have
anything
yeah.
O
I
have
a
couple
of
comments:
slash
Corrections,
they're
they're,
both
in
the
social
media
policy;
first
section
9,
subsection
B,
where
it
says
nor
made
an
elected
official,
remotely
access
any
City
owned
and
maintained
database
on
any
device
that
has
a
prohibited
application.
Many
of
the
city's
databases
are
GIS
database.
Our
permits
database
Etc
are
public
I,
don't
know
if
that
particular
clause
is
legal
and
I've.
If
it
is
legal,
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
it
could
be
enforced.
N
I
you
may
want
to
bring
this
forward.
I
want
you
with
with
Regina,
because.
O
A
O
O
Okay
and
I
continue
to
talk
okay,
so
in
section
c
there
is
the
last
line
on
the
first
page
said:
reads:
posting
materials
that
could
be
construed
as
malicious
obscene
or
threatening,
or
that
might
constitute
harassment
or
bullying
period.
O
O
I'd
like
to
have
a
talk
with
with
card
with
this
Kardashians.
N
I
think
there
needs
to
be
an
explanation
of
the
social
media
policy
for
the
board
to
be
comfortable
and
answer
these.
J
Yes,
I'd
like
to
consider
maybe
in
the
future
as
we
we
saw
a
couple
meetings.
There
are
agenda
items
that
get
heated
where
some
additional
time
may
be
needed
without
having
to
forcefully
remove
people
from
all
from
the
room
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
see
maybe
to
the
mayor's
discretion
on
some
of
those
agenda.
Items
alter
public
speaking
minutes
when
it
becomes
say.
J
Like
for
the
mayor
to
be
able
to
have
the
ability
to
extend
minutes
to
on
certain
topics
that
are
more
sensitive
than
others,
as
we've
seen
recently,
where
we've
had
people
escorted
out
of
the
building
again
and
that's
something
to
consider,
it
would
be
be
good
because,
there's
times,
we've
seen
people
come
up
and
speak
out
of
turn
anyways,
but
not
get.
You
know,
removed
so
I
just
like
to
maybe
consider
having
the
mayor's
discretion
on
allowing
additional
minutes
on
certain
agenda
items.
A
M
A
All
I
saw
I
understand.
Okay,
I
was
talking
about
I
want
to
go
any
further
with
that.
If
there's
no
other
comments,
roll
call
please.
J
C
A
Does
that
do
it
Ms
Jacobs,
for
the
agenda?
I'm,
sorry!
Does
that
end
to
the
agenda?
It
does.
Okay,
let's
go
to
board
and
staff
comments
vice
mayor
Lund.
Do
you
have
anything.
O
I
do
first
I
want
to
publicly
recognize
the
passing
of
Richard
Beckel.
He
was
a
teacher
here
in
Tarpon
Springs.
He
passed
away
just
recently,
he's
been
in
Greece
for
some
time
now,
but
he
always
watched
our
meetings
and
always
commented
to
me
on
them.
He's
been
a
good
friend
to
me
and
I
didn't
grow
up
in
Tarpon
Springs,
so
I'm
not
sure
who
knew
him,
but
my
greatest
condolences
to
his
family
and
you
know,
may
his
memory
be
eternal.
O
O
It
did
not
go
well.
Obviously,
one
of
the
things
that
occurred
there,
however,
I
personally
need
to
bring
up,
because
I
had
a
chance
to
review
the
comments
made
by
commissioner
koulianos,
where
he
specifically
picked
apart
a
person's
resume
and
lifestyle
and
choices
and
I
thought
that
was
totally
uncalled
for
I
believe
without
going
into
any
passionate
dissertation
in
how
I
feel
because
I
kept
back
at
the
time,
because
believe
me,
at
the
time
my
opinion
would
have
been
much
more
vitrolic
than
it
is
now
I.
M
I
don't
know
if
I
want
to
talk
on
that.
One
I've
had
enough
today,
I
personally
thought
that
we
have
to
be
bigger
and
say
that
we
had
to
thank
both
candidates
and
if
the
shoe
didn't
fit
and
you
didn't
see
a
fit
for
them,
that
we
moved
forward
and
I
would
have
preferred
that.
So
that's
all
I
want
to
say
on
that.
I
also
want
to
say
that
I
did
represent
Tarpon
Springs
at
Florida.
League
cities
and
I'd
have
some
good
feedback.
Some
of
it
I've
already
brought
up
to
Mark.
M
Some
of
it.
I
will
continue
to
bring
up
with
regard
to
security
and
a
number
of
other
things,
so
I
will
be
sitting
down
with
Mark
and
sharing
that
I
just
had
family
here
up
until
a
couple
of
days
ago,
but
I
will
be
able
to
sit
down
and
update
the
city
manager
on
what
that
whole
four
days
were
so
and
I
want
to
apologize
and
thank
all
the
residents
and
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I
have
moved
forward.
So
I
will
not
be
bringing
anything
up
again
like
that.
J
Yes,
I
want
to
first
start
off
with
Tarpon
arts
and
division
is
started
off,
went
to
go
by
and
see
their
little
kickoff
party.
They
got
a
lot
of
cool
events
and
plays
happening,
and
so
it's
interesting,
you
know
interesting
to
see
all
that
happen.
Hopefully,
in
the
near
future,
there
may
be
a
item
being
requested
for
beer
and
wine
sales.
At
some
of
these
events
to
consider
we
got
hopefully
pickleball
courts
coming
up
here
in
the
next
few
meetings.
The
the
residents
are
Urgent
about
that.
J
That
seems
to
be
the
word
for
the
day
and
as
far
as
some
of
the
opinions
on
from
some
of
the
Commissioners
on
this
subject,
even
though
there
was
professional
reviews
done,
it's
definitely
disappointing,
but
you
get
to
see
how
their
reasoning
is
from
time
to
time
and
that's
a
good
thing
and
We've
we've
turned
the
corner
and
you
know
I'm
happy
moving
forward.
We're
going
to
the
first
and
third
Tuesdays
of
the
month
moving
forward,
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
for
it.
It's
not
just
including
you
know.
J
Sales
negotiations
also
has
to
include
the
fact
that
some
individuals
on
this
board
did
not
want
to
answer
questions
that
they
were
protected
by
and
so
we
move
forward.
J
I
can
easily
move
forward
and
we're
going
to
take
care
of
our
community
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
do,
but
we're
not
going
to
play
the
victims
anymore
and
we're
going
to
take
care
of
this
community
and
move
forward
and
if
we
ever
need
to
do
air
out
something
we're
going
to
air
it
out
here
in
the
public.
Once
again.
Thank
you
all.
A
I,
didn't
ask
see
magic.
Do
you
have
anything?
No,
sir
Chief,
do
you
have
anything
Miss,
Jacobs,
okay,
well,.
K
Yeah
I
wasn't
planning
on
going
down
this
road,
but
since
the
vice
mayor
made
such
a
passioned
plea
for
me
to
apologize
that
that
meeting
was
you
know
when
we're
on
the
edge,
and
it
was
clear
that
we
were
on
the
edge
of
making
a
decision
which
I
thought
was
a
critically
wrong
decision
that
was
a
that
was
an
open
Forum
interview
of
candidates,
I
dissected,
oath
of
the
candidates
resumes
we
had
all
talked
about
that
it
was
going
to
be
a
decision
about
whether
we
were
going
to
go
in
a
different
direction
or
hire
one
of
these
two
people
or
possibly
move
keep
our
city
manager
that
we
have.
K
So
it
was
a
comparison
between
this,
those,
our
city
manager
and
those
two
gentlemen:
what
how
I
perceived
the
interviews
is
my
prerogative
to
speak,
regardless
of
whether
you
have
your
indignation
and
how
high
and
where
you
take
your
voice.
Modulation
of
indignation,
I
have
a
right
and
that's
what
I
did
I'm
proud
of
the
result
again,
I
don't
have
a
time
machine.
There's!
Maybe
I
could
use
a
word
here
or
there
differently.
That's
for
me!
It's
not
for
you.
You
don't
again
chastise
me
like
a
child.
K
Just
like
you
told
commissioner
kulias
to
grow
up.
That's
not
your
role.
He
is
a
a
duly
elected
official
that
doesn't
need
to
be
told
to
grow
up
by
you
and
you
don't
you
can
you
can
go
ahead
and
chastise
me?
Actually,
I
was
actually
going
to
give
you
Kudos,
because
I
was
proud
of
you.
I
was
proud
of
you
and
the
vote
at
ucas
last
at
the
last
meeting
and
I
was
going
to
applaud
you
and
I.
Do
applaud
you
for
your
your
open
and
objective
view
of
things.
K
But
again,
if
the
result
is
that
we
have
our
city
manager
versus
what
I
believed
was
a
not
as
qualified
candidate
I'm,
proud
of
that
result
and
when
we
have
our
workshop
and
we
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
other
results
and
if,
if
I
have
to,
if,
if
a
tongue
lashing
from
you
is
a
result
of
what
I
believed
was
a
a
the
right
decision,
I'll
I
can
handle
that.
K
Okay,
so
that
that
was
a
meeting
that
had
to
take
place
in
my
opinion
and
I'm,
proud
of
it
I'm,
proud
of
of
where
our
city
is
now
I'm,
I'm
I'm,
happy
I
want
to
work
with
our
city
manager
for
the
rest
of
his
his
tenure
and
I.
Think
that
I
was
again
proud
to
Champion
that
cause,
and
that's
that.
Thank
you.
J
J
Mr
liege
wanting
our
City
related
information
from
all
five
of
the
Commissioners,
including
the
city
manager
and
I,
just
thought
that
was
odd,
and
there
was
also
some
communication
between
Mr
Eisner
and
Mr
liege,
as
well
as
the
mayor
and
Mr
leech,
and
so
you
know
it
is
what
it
is,
but
to
put
a
public
records
request
in
the
day
after
it's
just
not
a
good
look.
J
You
got
to
have
tough
skin
if
you
want
to
be
the
city
manager
around
here
in
Tarpon,
Springs
and
I'm,
very
happy
I
stuck
to
my
guns,
because
it's
you,
you
have
to
be
insensitive
to
be
a
city
manager.
Here,
it's
one
of
the
toughest
gigs
there
is,
and
so
seeing
that
move
the
day
after
was
disappointing
in
which
they
were
possibly
one
of
our
lead
candidates.
Thank
you.
M
Commissioner,
Eisner
I
just
need
to
clarify,
because
my
name
was
mentioned:
I
apologized
for
the
treatment
that
John
leggee
had
here
is
what
I
sent
him
and
I
was
very
proud
to
apologize,
because
I
didn't
think
that
he
was
treated
well
other
than
that
I
had
no
other
comment
to
him.
So
I
would
appreciate
you
not
imply
that
I
had
conversation
with
him
because
I
did
not
I.
That's
all
I
did
was
apologize.
He
was
mistreated
here.
M
He
he
they
both
are
super
qualified
people
and
if
they
didn't
fit
the
the
makeup
of
Tarpon
Springs,
that's
what
should
have
been
happening.
I
don't
want
to
work
on
just
the
commission
of
kuleanos's
comments.
M
I
would
not
have
treated
him
like
that.
I
said:
Point,
Blank
they're,
both
qualified
and
I,
never
even
got
to
discuss
the
point
of
whether
I
would
consider
either
one
of
them
for
a
position,
because
there
was
comments
made
that
the
mayor
had
a
piece
of
paper
that
made
people
have
a
decision
I.
There
is
no
piece
of
paper.
The
mayor
can
hand
me
that
would
make
me
make
a
decision
that
important
I
make
my
own
decisions,
whether
the
mayor
sends
out
something
just
to
give
some
form
to
how
we
should
move
forward.
N
We
had
done
some
negotiations
back
and
forth.
Yeah
we're
not
close,
so
I
think
they're
looking
at
the
city
for
moving
forward
with
the
eminent
domain
which
we
will
okay,
but
we
were
trying
to
see
if
we
could
get
somewhere.
We
did
not
okay,
that
that
was
my
update.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
All
I'm
going
to
say
is
my
emails
speak
for
themselves.
I
think
I
write
pretty
clearly
in
English,
so
anybody
that
has
an
interest
of
what
I
said
or
what
I
didn't
say
to
anybody
feel
free.
You
can
get
them
from
the
city,
clerk's
office
and
I
I
just
want
to
end
this
evening
on
a
positive
note
and
thank
Mr
Salzman
for
stepping
in
way
back
when
we
needed
them.
As
a
City
attorney
and
I
know,
his
workload
is
increased.
A
A
You
know
you've
got
a
a
hearing
tomorrow
morning
and
we're
going
to
finish
up
at
a
reasonable
hour
tonight
and
Ms
Jacobs.
You
do
as
well
so
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
everything
that
you've
done
for
us.
Thank
you.