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E
Hearing
procedures,
yes,
thank
you,
madam
chairman.
The
matters
before
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
code
enforcement
board
are
quasi-judicial
in
nature
and
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
The
board's
function
is
to
make
findings
a
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
of
ordinances.
This
is
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
alleged
violations
before
the
board.
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
arising
from
the
alleged
code
violations.
E
If
the
evidence
demonstrates
that
the
respondent
has
violated
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
a
violation
exists.
If
the
evidence
demonstrates
that
the
respondent
has
not
violated
the
code,
then
the
board
is
required
to
find
that
no
violation
exists.
Any
and
all
persons
providing
testimony
at
this
hearing
are
required
to
do
so
under
oath
all
persons.
Testifying
must
give
their
name
address
and
indicate
whether
or
not
they
have
been
sworn
for
the
record
prior
to
proceeding
with
their
testimony.
E
All
testimony
and
questioning
must
address
matters
that
are
relevant
and
material
to
the
alleged
violations.
Any
board
members
who
have
disclosures,
such
as
ex
parte
Communications,
are
conflicts
of
interest.
Please
make
your
disclosures
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing.
The
following
is
the
established
procedure,
which
will
be
followed
at
this
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
E
If,
if
it
is
established
that
the
proper
notice
of
hearing
has
been
provided,
then
a
hearing
May
proceed
in
the
absence
of
the
respondent,
the
chairperson
can
request
identification
of
the
respondent,
their
representative
or
attorney
and
their
Witnesses
prior
to
the
case.
Hearing
all
Witnesses
should
be
sworn
in
by
the
secretary,
as
stated,
the
city
shall
present
its
case
and
then
the
respondent
shall
present
their
case.
E
Both
parties
will
have
an
opportunity
to
to
question
all
Witnesses
the
Border,
its
attorney
May
question,
any
witness
that
feels
necessary
and
the
right
of
the
parties
to
present
rebuttal
evidence
is
discretionary
with
the
board.
The
board
May
in
its
discretion,
adjourn
a
hearing
for
a
period
not
to
exceed
31
days
at
any
time
during
the
hearing
and
request
further
information
from
either
partying.
If
a
hearing
is
adjourned
at
the
time,
the
hearing
is
reconvened.
E
A
F
This
is
a
vacant
residential
parcel
with
a
garage
structure
on
it.
A
majority
of
the
property
was
overgrown
with
grass
weeds
and
other
vegetation
in
excess
of
12
inches
in
height
and
vegetation
was
growing
on
and
off
the
roof
of
the
structure.
The
wooden
fence
along
the
east
side
of
the
property
was
in
disrepair
as
it
had
multiple
missing
and
broken
boards
and
was
leaning.
The
chain
link
fence
on
the
north
and
west
of
the
property
was
overgrown
with
vegetation,
leaning
had
rotting
posts
and
the
gate
was
covered
in
vegetation.
It
was
leaning
as
well.
F
F
In
overgrowth,
the
property
was
posted,
with
a
notice
of
violation
with
a
compliance
date
of
February
21st
2023,
a
copy
mailed
to
the
property
owner
via
certified
mail
and
posted
at
Tarpon,
Springs
City
Hall
on
February
16,
2023,
myself,
Sergeant,
Miller
and
officer
Boone
were
flagged
down
by
a
man
at
the
property.
His
name
was
cismo
and
he
stated
he
was
the
brother
of
the
property
owner
and
the
one
who
would
be
getting
the
property
into
compliance.
F
He
wanted
to
know
exactly
what
was
needed
to
bring
the
property
into
compliance.
We
all
walked
the
property
and
explained
that
the
fence
is
in
poor
condition
and
would
need
to
be
removed
which
could
be
completed
without
a
permit.
However,
should
the
fence
be
repaired
or
replaced
a
permit
would
be
required
due
to
the
amount
of
repairs
it
would
take.
F
He
was
advised
that
to
keep
the
freezer
the
freezer
being
utilized
as
a
storage
container
on
the
property,
a
permit
would
be
required
and
would
need
to
be
approved
and,
if
denied
would
need
to
be
removed.
He
was
also
advised
that
all
the
overgrowth
was
to
be
removed
from
the
fence
lines.
The
building,
the
carport
and
any
other
areas
of
the
property
and
all
junk
trash
and
debris
was
to
be
removed
as
well.
On
February
17th
I
received
an
email
from
the
property
owner
requesting
a
30-day
extension.
F
F
A
re-inspection
was
completed
on
March
7
2023
and
found
that
minimal
efforts
had
been
taken
to
bring
the
property
into
compliance
on
March,
8th
I
responded
to
the
property
owner
regarding
what
needed
to
be
completed
still
to
come
into
compliance
on
March
21st,
a
re-inspection
was
completed
and
found
that
the
property
was
getting
worse
with
junk
trash
and
debris.
An
email
was
sent
to
the
property
owner
to
advise
of
this.
Another
re-inspection
was
completed
on
March
24
2023,
which
found
the
property
was
still
scattered
with
piles
of
junk
trash
and
debris.
F
The
freezer
and
trailer
were
still
on
the
property,
and
both
fences
were
still
in
disrepair.
On
March
24th
2023
I
spoke
with
the
property
owner's
brother
sismo
via
telephone.
He
requested
another
two-week
extension
and
advised
it
would
be
all
completed
at
that
time.
He
was
advised
that
this
would
be
the
last
two-week
extension
as
the
property
was
getting
worse
and
minimal.
Efforts
were
being
made
on
March
28th
Sergeant
Miller
spoke
with
a
friend
of
the
property
owner
who
requested
another
extension
due
to
the
complications
of
removing
the
freezer
from
the
property.
F
Sergeant
Miller
granted
a
final
30-day
extension
to
come
into
compliance
with
the
entire
property.
A
re-inspection
was
completed
on
April
7
2023
and
found
that
there
was
still
excessive
junk
trash
debris,
construction
materials
on
the
property,
as
well
as
the
freezer
and
other
trailer
were
still
there.
F
A
re-inspection
was
completed
on
April
28th
and
found
that
there
were
still
excessive
junk
trash
and
debris
on
the
property
no
permits
had
been
applied
for
regarding
the
fences
and
the
rear
fence
was
not
repaired
or
removed.
It
was
also
observed
that
multiple
wooden
posts
on
the
chain
link
fence
were
replaced
and
new
on
May
1st
2023,
an
email
was
received
from
the
property
owner
requesting
a
re-inspection.
She
was
advised
that
the
property
was
already
re-inspected
and
was
not
compliance
as
there
were
still
multiple
violations.
F
She
was
also
advised
that
a
total
of
five
extensions
had
been
given
along
with
a
final
30-day
extension
and
due
to
non-compliance.
The
case
would
be
set
for
the
code
enforcement
board.
The
property
owner
requested
a
meeting
at
the
property
on
May
8,
2023,
myself,
Sergeant
Miller
and
the
building
inspector
met
with
the
property
owner
and
her
brother
on
the
property.
She
was
advised
that
no
permits
had
been
applied
for
regarding
the
fences
for
the
repairs
or
Replacements
her
brother
denied
that
he
was
told
a
permit
was
required.
F
They
were
both
advised
that
permits
were
required
and
that
a
licensed
contractor
needed
to
do
the
work
per
the
original
notice
of
violation
the
brother
disputed
this
again.
However,
he
was
advised
that,
due
to
him
replacing
posts
in
the
ground
with
concrete,
this
was
considered
structural.
It
did
in
fact
require
a
permit.
They
were
also
advised
that
there
is
still
a
large
amount
of
junk
trash
and
debris
on
the
property,
and
it
keeps
getting
worse
instead
of
better.
They
were
advised
of
what
still
needed
to
be
completed
to
be
in
compliance
due
to
non-compliance.
F
The
properties
refer
to
the
code
enforcement
board.
Compliance
can
only
be
achieved
by
removing
all
junk
trash
and
debris
from
the
property
or
storing
it
in
a
fully
enclosed
structure,
with
the
use
of
a
licensed
contractor,
proper
permits
are
to
be
applied
for
approved
and
issued
and
finalized
for
all
work
on
both
fences.
All
grass,
weeds
and
vegetation
are
to
be
mowed
and
maintained
below
12
inches
in
height
at
all
times,
and
all
vehicles,
including
trailers
on
the
property,
are
to
be
operable
with
full
tires
and
current
and
valid
tag
and
registration.
F
A
hearing
notice
was
posted
on
the
property
on
May
24
2023,
a
copy
mailed
to
the
property
owner
via
certified
mail
posted
at
Tarpon,
Springs,
City
Hall.
The
division
recommends
giving
the
respondent
until
July
27
2023
to
achieve
compliance.
If
compliance
is
not
achieved.
The
suggested
daily
fight
amount
adopted
by
the
board
would
impose
a
fine
of
150
per
day,
beginning
on
July
28
2023
until
the
property
is
brought
into
compliance.
F
F
F
Then
there's
several
photos
of
a
re-inspection
that
was
completed
in
May,
where
posts
had
been
put
in
for
the
red
fence
along
with
new
slats,
the
ground
was
covered
again
with
the
junk
trash
and
debris
outside
of
the
storage
garage
area.
There
was
more
drunk
trash
and
debris,
then
there's
also
photographs
of
the
new
posts
that
were
put
with
the
fence
at
the
front.
F
There's
also
photographs
from
June
19th,
where
the
property
looks
fantastic,
it
has
all
been
completely
cleaned
up.
It
still
looks
fantastic
today.
The
only
thing
we
are
missing
is
no
permit,
for
the
fence
has
been
applied
for
at
this
time.
Missing
is
what
repeat
that
there's
no
permit
applied
for
for
the
fence,
repairs
and
the
post
replacements
exhibit
three
is
going
to
be
the
notice
of
violation,
the
certified
mail
receipt
and
a
certified
mail
receipt
signature
card,
along
with
the
Affidavit
of
posting,
the
notice
of
hearing
certified
mail,
receipt,
Affidavit
of
posting
and
signed
card.
E
It
but
go
ahead:
yes,
okay,
while
everybody's
kind
of
looking
I
wanted
to
look
at
the
make
sure
that
I
was
clear
on
on
the
violation
exactly
Okay,
so
we've
got
the
property
maintenance
code
and
and
I'm
looking
at
both
the
agenda
and
the
February
8th,
2023
notice
of
violation.
E
E
E
E
Is
the
refrigerator.
B
E
A
G
You
a
Jerry,
selfie
lopoulos
I'm,
a
lawyer
here
in
Tarpon
Springs,
just
for
the
record
and
with
you
is
Leah
Angeles.
G
Cited
her
under
302.7
accessory
structures.
This
is
with
regards
to
the
fence
correct.
Yes,
sir,
and
it
is
your
contention
that
the
that
Leah
Angeles
required
a
permit
along
with
a
contractor,
in
order
to
make
the
repairs
to
the
fence
correct.
And
can
you
direct
us
to
what
code?
What
statute?
What
ordinance
would
require
that.
F
F
G
G
And
you
would
agree
with
me
that
the
East
fence
was
repaired,
correct,
and
you
would
agree
with
me
that
the
North
and
that's
the
wooden
fence
completely
wooden.
Is
that
yes,
yes,
thank
you,
and
you
would
agree
with
me
that
the
north
fence
was
wooden
posts
with
chain
link,
correct
and
that
was
repaired
and.
F
G
F
G
And
the
west
and
North
they
intersect
correct,
and
you
would
agree
with
me
that
the
wood
on
the
nor
excuse
me
the
wood
that
is
on
the
Northern
piece
of
property
with
the
chain
link
fence
and
the
West
End,
that
the
majority
of
that
wood
was
repaired.
With
liquid
nail.
F
G
F
G
G
F
G
G
There
was
emails
back
and
forth
with
regards
to
this
violation,
correct,
correct
and
in
that
violation
are
those
emails.
There
was
a
discussion
where
Miss
angelise
had
emailed
everybody
saying:
okay,
I
just
want
to
be
clear
what
we
discussed,
which
is
we
can
replace
four
posts
and
four
slats.
Do
you
recall
that
no
okay,
you.
G
Okay,
it's
dated
at
the
top
of
the
page,
it's
May
9
2023,
and
it's
from
you,
Mrs
Stoner,
to
miss
angelise
and
it
is
responding
to
her
May
8
2023
11
52
A.M
email
exhibit
five
first
page.
F
F
Yeah
she
asked
she
said
we
can
only
replace
four
slats
of
the
wood
fence
correct
and
then
we
can
only
replace
four
supporting
posts
on
The
Wire
Fence
correct,
to
which
I
responded
with
the
replacing
only
four
slots
on
the
wood
fence
correct.
Yes,
that
is
correct
any
more
than
that
would
require
a
permit.
F
G
G
G
G
And
is
there
any
other?
You
agree
with
me
that
in
your
profession,
that
the
individual
being
cited
deserves
due
process
to
know
what
am
I
being
violated
for
absolutely,
and
you
would
agree
with
me
that
it's
the
burden
on
the
city
to
show
the
code
enforcement
board
that
Mr,
angelise
and
Miss
Angeles
were
required
per
statute
or
ordinance
or
building
code,
to
have
a
permit
to
do
the
work
that
they
did
on
the
fence.
I'm.
G
F
G
Me
ask
you
this:
how
do
you
erect
a
fence?
That's
already
there
if
all
you're
doing
is
repairing
four
posts
because
he
replaced
the
posts?
And
my
question
to
you
is
where
in
the
code
does
it
say
if
you're
replacing
posts
on
a
fence
that
you
are
required
to
have
a
permit
again,
I
will
defer
to
the
building
inspector
I,
don't
have
anything
further.
Thank
you.
E
E
A
A
E
I
Well,
there's
nothing
specific
in
the
building
code
about
fences
some
municipalities
require
permits
for
them.
Some
do
not
Tarpon
Springs
is
a
municipality
that
does
require
a
permit
for
a
fence,
so
you're
not
gonna,
find
anything
in
the
building
code
in
reference
to
a
fence,
but
it
is
a
structure
and
that
is
defined
in
the
Florida
building
code
in
chapter
two
of
definitions
as
anything
that
is
built
or
constructed.
A
I
E
J
Have
a
question
for
you,
sir,
if
you
get
when
we
get
a
chance,
I
understand
that
structurally
the
posts
put
in
cement
or
put
in
the
ground
is
is
a
change
right
that
creates
about
panels.
E
Yeah
so
before
he
starts
questioning
him,
3603
provides
for
all
fences,
walls
and
hedges
to
conform
with
the
requirements
of
this
code
for
visibility.
Triangles
all
permitted.
Fences
shall
be
located
on
the
property
of
the
applicant
and
not
within
any
public
right-of-way
for
all
Corner
Lots,
as
defined
in
section
241.00.
This
code
offense
may
be
constructed
and
the
yard
facing
the
street.
That
is
not
the
front
yard
of
principal
orientation
for
the
structure.
E
G
G
K
I
I
I
G
I
G
G
I
G
G
Many
posts
and
I
know
you
were
here
for
Miss
Cindy
stoner's
testimony
how
many
posts
were
replaced.
I.
I
G
Did
you
inspect
those
particular
posts
to
see
if
those
were
the
original
posts
they're.
G
Did
you
inspect
the
post
to
see
if
they
were
repaired
with
liquid
glue
to
make
them
somewhat
more
smooth
and
secure.
G
G
And
you
would
agree
with
me
that
it's
your
testimony
that
if
you
replace
one
panel
period,
you
are
required
to
get
a
permit
correct
correct.
What
do
you
what's
the
definition
of
a
panel.
G
E
If
he's
planning
to
put
it
into
evidence,
that's
fine,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
follow-up
questions.
What
is
the
process
to
apply
for
a
fence?
Permit.
I
Actually,
it's
relatively
easy.
You
come
in
with
a
survey
of
the
property,
and
you
show
us
on
the
survey
where
you're
going
to
put
the
fence
what
type
of
fence
it
is,
and
it
goes
through
Planning
and
Zoning
to
make
sure
you're,
not
in
any
setbacks
or
easements,
and
once
they
approve
it
in
regards
to
location.
It
comes
to
us
and
we
stamp
it
and
it's
out
the
door.
I
Not
at
the
top
of
my
head
I
think
it's
around
70
to
100
somewhere
around
there.
So.
I
G
May
I
follow
up
sure
Mr
Mead,
you
indicated
well.
Let
me
ask
you:
is
it
your
contention
in
this
case
that
a
licensed
contractor
would
be
needed?
Yes,
and
is
it
also
your
contention
that
a
survey
would
be
needed?
Yes,
and
do
you
know
what
the
general
costs
are
to
do
repairs
to
a
fence
where
you
have
to
hire
a
licensed
contractor
and
then
get
a
new
permit,
a
new
survey?
It.
I
G
A
I
I
Have
not
had
time
to
review
all
this.
You
were
requesting
me
on
building
code
issues.
I
don't
know.
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
review
the
the
ownership
of
this
property.
Well,.
G
Do
you
have
exhibit
four
in
front
of
you
that
the
city
has
put
into
evidence.
G
I
K
G
A
D
I
You
can't
get
a
homestead
exemption
unless
you
live
there,
but
the
statute
does
state
that
it
has
to
be
for
your
own
personal
use
and
if
they
don't
reside
there
and
they
simply
own
a
vacant
lot,
we
can't
determine
whether
it's
their
own
personal
use
or
not.
They
could
be
leasing
it
out,
letting
other
people
use
it.
We
don't
know,
there's
no
way
to
approve
or
disprove
that
I.
L
I
Permit
it's
an
owner,
Builder,
yes,
Affidavit
of.
G
Follow
up
with
a
few
questions,
please,
yes,
sir
vinyl
fences,
those
also
require
permits,
correct,
correct
and
When
Storms
come
in,
and
some
of
those
vinyl
fences
are
leaning.
Is
it
your
contention?
A
homeowner
on
every
one
of
those
fences
must
plot
must
apply
for
a
permit
in
order
to
straighten
that
fence.
K
I
G
D
M
By
Miss,
Cindy
and
officer
Miller,
the
first
day
they
met
me
on
the
property.
I
could
repair,
replace
four
slots,
not
sections
four
slots
and
four
poles
which
I
did
and
if
you
look
at
the
pictures,
you'll
see
how
some
of
them
are
spaced,
because
I
couldn't
put
extra
I
put
four,
which
I
was
told
by
Miss,
Cindy
and
officer
Miller
when
they
met
me.
M
My
sister
and
I
take
care
of
my
elderly
father.
Our
funds
aren't
too
well
just
letting
you
know.
So
we
were
doing
a
lot
of
work
ourselves,
one
of
the
times
the
trailer
broke
when
I
was
taking
debris
to
the
junk
yard
and
I
had
to
repair
the
trailer.
You
know
she
kept
her
foot
on
my
neck.
My
father
had
fell
one
time
into
house.
I
had
him
all
day
at
the
VA.
You
know
because
he's
elderly
out,
obviously
he
fell
and
hurt
himself
right
in
cars.
M
M
My
my
cousin
Jackie
Angela's
helped
me
and
that
took
like
three
four
days:
an
additional
500
bucks
for
the
wood
needed
to
repair
the
trailer
that
I
was
using
to
haul
everything
on
we
got
jerked
around
by
the
one
company
was
going
to
remove
the
container
and
store
it
themselves.
They
kept
giving
their
trucks
broke.
To
this
that
went
on
for
a
while.
M
Miss
Stoner
was
generous
enough
to
grant
me
several
extensions.
You
know
we'll
get
that
out
in
the
open.
She
did
work
with
me
and
you
know
there
were
some
times.
I
worked
like
27
hours
straight.
My
sister
would
come
to
the
property
and
insist
that
I
come
home
and
rest,
but
I
was
so
obsessed
with
finishing
it.
I
was
working
by
myself
and
Donna
and
Purdue.
My
friend
was
helping
me
with
the
repairs
she
snipped
all
the
vines
off
the
wire
fence
that
you
know.
M
We
had
a
lot
of
tragedy
happen
in
our
life
and
my
two
brothers
died.
I
was
lost
in
my
own
demons.
Let's
say
my
sister
taking
care
of
my
father.
Did
it
all
by
herself,
the
person
that
was
taking
care
of
the
property
was
basically
hustling.
My
sister,
when
I
did
get
back
and
by
the
grace
of
God,
got
my
head
straight
I
apologize.
It's
all
happened,
like
I
did
my
best.
It
caused
a
lot
of
friction
between
me
and
her
it.
M
G
M
A
E
G
G
Yeah,
let
me
ask
you:
what
are
what
are
these
pictures
of
in
defense
composite
three.
M
The
wood
you
know
if
someone
were
to
look
at
this
clearly
and
see
that
the
polls
were
doctored
up
with
Liquid
Nails
the
existing
poles.
It
had
been
there
for
quite
some
time,
doctored
up
with
liquid
nails
and
painted
they're
the
original
polls.
Nothing
has
been
moved,
Miss,
Stoner,
herself
and
officer
Miller,
told
me
four
slats
and
four
poles
any
more
than
that
would
require
a
permit.
I
okay,
hold
on
I
left
several
messages
for
her
to
meet
me
at
the
property
which
were
ignored.
M
G
M
M
Would
assume
a
couple
months
ago,
when
my
sister
obtained
Mr
Theophilus
for
an
attorney.
G
Those
pictures
in
defense
composite
three.
What
do
they
show
as
far
as
the
the
wood
and
what
kind
of
condition
the
wood
is
in.
M
That,
obviously,
if
someone
looks
at
it
closely,
they
could
see
that
the
wood
is
not
replaced.
The
the
poles
that
are
shown
are
not
replaced.
They're
existing,
they
weren't,
moved
in
any
way,
and
you
know
just
doctored
up
to
look
good
I
mean
when
I
do
something
I
want
to
do
it
right,
I
I,
try
to
make
it
look
really
good,
and
it
is
a.
M
I
mean
you
do
some
you
go
through
all
that
Financial
stress
and
the
physical
stress.
Didn't
he
tell
you
it's
all
wrong.
Mr.
M
G
Mr
angelise
the.
M
Were
18
slots,
broken
Mr
Miller
looked
at
me
and
said:
I
do
not
know
how
you're
gonna,
when
you're
only
required
to
replace
four
slots.
How
you're
going
to
do
all
these
and
if
you
see
them
and
when
I
painted
it
I
left
it
so
I
could
use
it
later
on.
I
took
Liquid,
Nails
and
I
glued
them
back
together
and
use
four
slats
three
whole
ones.
N
Have
some
questions
if
I
can
Mr
angelise,
you
don't
own
this
property
correct.
N
N
G
G
M
M
M
N
N
M
N
When
did
you
remove
it,
I
don't
know,
do
you
have
the
your
exhibits
in
time.
N
And
that's
the
exhibit
that
has
been
provided
by
the
defense
and
that
shows
that
refrigerator
still
there
right.
G
M
M
N
M
N
M
N
N
M
The
pictures
show
them
how
many
I
mean
I,
replace
what
I
say:
I
replace
three
whole
ones:
I
used
the
fourth
one
I
cut
it
in
threes
to
replace
the
broken
ones
like
glue
them
together,
so
they
look
good
and
or
and
then
glued
the
other
ones.
There
was
I
think
there
was
14
or
18
I,
don't
know
exactly
there
were
broken
total
and
then
Mr
Miller
had
emphasize
I.
Don't
know
how
you're
going
to
do
this
because
you're
only
allowed
four
and
you
clearly
have
more
and
then,
of
course,
I
thought
about
it.
M
M
M
E
Questions
first,
I
just
want
to
clarify
for
the
record.
Your
first
exhibit
one
your
composite
I
counted.
Nine
pictures
in
that
is
that
correct
and
accurate
that.
E
Okay
and
then
the
your
second
exhibit,
which
you
deemed
exhibit
three
composite
I
counted
five
pictures,
but
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
last
one
there
that
goes
with
it.
So
would
it
be
six
pictures?
E
Oh
that's,
okay,
gotcha,
okay,
that's
that's
what
I
was
asking
so
then,
with
exhibit
three
composite
I
counted.
Five
pictures
is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
okay,.
E
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have.
We
have
something
accurate
on
the
record
that
reflects
how
many
pictures
there
were,
because
that
was
not
discussed.
So
now
we
just
discussed
it.
We
have
an
accurate
reflection
of
the
pictures
that
are
in
the
record
the
other
question
I
have.
If
I
could
you
use
the
term
a
couple
times
and
I?
Think
I
just
need
some
clarification,
because
this
isn't
anything
close
to
what
I
do
or
work
with
what
is
liquid?
It's
called
Liquid
Nails.
Can
you
explain
what
that
is?
Liquid.
M
E
M
D
I
Nail
liquid
nail
is
a
construction
adhesive,
it
is
it
is
they
use
it
something
you
may
have
seen
between
floor
Joys
and
they
put
the
plywood
on
it.
So
it
glues
that
together
they
use
it
when
they
build
stairs.
So
the
Treads
don't
squeak
when
you
walk
up
it
things
along
those
Natures,
it's
not
designed
to
be
used
as
a
caulking,
understood.
A
L
The
chain
link
fence
in
the
city's
pictures
in
front
of
the
fire
hydrant
is
leaving
pretty
significantly
so
your
own
testimony.
You
said
that
you
shored
up
the
fence,
so
I'm
looking
at
all
these
posts,
so
you
you
push
them
back
straight.
M
L
G
G
And
let
me
ask
you
the
exhibit
number
five
that
I
talked
about
earlier,
where
you
had
sent
an
email.
This
is
this
City's
exhibit
number
five
where
you
sent
an
email
indicating
about
how
you
had
a
meeting
Thursday,
and
you
wanted
to
be
clear.
What
were
you
told
at
the
meeting
on
Thursday
with
regards
to
how
many
posts
and
how
many
slats
could
be
replaced?
Four.
G
P
Just
once
that
I
can
remember,
but
there
were
others
there
officer
Miller
was
there
too,
and
I
specifically
asked
him
about
the
number
of
posts
in
flats.
A
Do
you
want
to
Sunrise
now
any
of
you
folks
have
a
question:
yes,
go
ahead,.
J
Can
I
ask
one
question
to
Cindy
Cindy
when
you
have
metal
and
wood?
Is
it?
Is
it
okay
to
build
a
structure
with
both
components,
offense.
J
It
would
seem,
could
I
ask
that
question
to
him.
Please.
J
I
Yes,
as
long
as
the
the
ordinance
states
that
it
has
to
be
uniform
and
all
materials
have
to
be
the
same
throughout
the
fence,
so
if
you've
got
wooden
rails
with
chain
link
filling
in
the
middle,
we
accept
that
is
when
you
get
into
part
of
its
vinyl
part
of
its
wood
part
of
its
chain
link.
Then
we
don't
allow
that.
J
Let
me
ask
you
one
more
question:
the
red
fence.
Yes,
you
could
say
it's
red,
but
it's
kind
of
blotchy,
it
sort
of
looks
like
it
still
needs
to
be
painted.
Is
that
correct.
I
I
I
E
And
in
that
time
approximately
how
many
fence
permits
have
you
seen
a.
I
I
Sometimes
sometimes
they're
for
repairs
of
existing
fences.
How.
K
I
G
G
You
would
agree
with
me
that
your
interpretation
of
the
code
is
not
law.
Correct.
G
I
G
Ma'am,
yes,
here's
the
issue
in
this
case
as
a
citizen
of
Tarpon
and
a
property
owner
Miss
angelise
has
a
right
to
know
what
she's
being
cited
for
and
what
exhibit
three
of
the
building
code
is
very
general.
They
leave
it
to
the
cities
if
they
want
to
be
more
strict
and
have
other
standards.
G
So
our
code
is
what
controls.
Nobody
has
showed
any
of
you,
a
code
that
talks
about
a
fence
that
must
be
repaired,
that
you're
required
to
get
a
permit
and
what
the
parameters
are
of
that
permitting
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is
when
you
leave
the
complete
and
sole
discretion
in
the
hands
of
the
building
inspector,
the
building
department.
G
The
law
is
not
applied
evenly.
The
law
is
what
controls
here
and
unfortunately
the
law
is
what
controls
here
and
unfortunately,
the
city
of
tarpon's
codes
does
not
explain
anything
about
what
is
a
repair
to
offense.
The
city
is
saying:
well,
they
replace
post.
Therefore,
it
is
construction,
no
it's
an
existing
fence
that
was
repaired
and
I
believe
well.
I
will
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
N
Briefly,
I
think
it's
important
to
know
because
the
city
has
been
vilified
here,
a
little.
We
worked
with
these
with
Miss
angelines
for
four
months.
We
gave
extensions,
not
saying
there's
any
violations
during
the
extensions
we
worked
with
them.
We
asked
and
there
were
problems
that
they
had
in
their
family
and
and
we
acknowledge
those
and-
and
they
ultimately
came
in
compliance
with
everything
except
for
the
permits.
N
The
evidence
shows
that
there
were
discussions
requiring
the
requirement
for
permits.
This
didn't
come
out
of
left
field.
Building
official
does
in
fact
interpret
the
codes,
that's
what
they
do.
That's
why
we
have
the
building
official
here
and
the
building
official
determined
that
in
this
particular
case,
based
on
what
he
observed
and
also
what
Miss
donor
observed,
there
was
a
necessity.
It
was
necessary
to
have
a
permit
in
this
case,
based
on
the
repairs
that
were
done.
N
I
think
that
if
you're
expecting
us
to
work
with
people
and
help
them
and
do
the
things
that
are
necessary,
we
did
that
in
this
case,
and
all
we're
asking
is
complete
compliance.
They
did
everything
else.
All
they
need
is
to
get
a
permit
so
that
the
structure
is
sound.
We
heard
that
a
lot
of
repairs
were
made
using
glue
or
whatever,
which
actually
puts
us
more
concerned
to
make
sure
that
the
structure
is
sound
and
that's
why
you
have
permits.
N
G
You
make
start
counting,
that's
fine,
I'm,
going
to
tell
you
what
the
problem
is
and
we're
not
vilifying
the
city,
but
what
happens
is
Code
Enforcement
comes
up
here
or
law
enforcement.
If
it's
a
law
enforcement
related
issue
and
they
want
you
as
the
board
to
take
their
word
as
law.
No,
their
word
is
not
law,
it's
their
opinion,
the
laws
and
the
codes
and
the
statutes
and
they've.
Provided
you
zero
here
today
saying
a
repair
to
offense
requires
a
permit.
Thank
you.
A
F
E
Both
hold
on
before
you
do
that
you
do
need
to
close
the
public
hearing
and
the
The
Taking
of
the
evidence,
but
before
you
close,
the
public
hearing
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
couple
things.
The
testimony
earlier
was
that
they
are
in
compliance
with
everything
except
receiving
the
permit.
Currently,
yes,
ma'am,
but
what
you're
looking
for
is
a
finding
that
they
were
out
of
compliance
correct
so
that
if
they
ever
come
out
of
compliance
again,
then
it
would
be
treated
as
a
repeat
violation.
E
Yes,
ma'am,
okay,
so
in
in
that
regard,
what
you
can
do
is
is
essentially
like
a
declaration
that
the
property
was
in
violation
of
these
codes,
but
has
now
been
corrected,
and
that
would
be
the
motion
that
I
would
be
looking
for
from
you
more
so
than
finding
that
they
are
currently
out
of
violation,
because
the
testimony
was
that
they
are
in
compliance
with
these
codes.
But
they
do
not
want
to
see
them
repeat.
So
you
can
do
a
declaration
of
violation
and
say
that
they
were
in
violation,
but
they
are
currently
compliant.
E
You
have
section
6-1
of
your
your
code
of
ordinances,
which
adopts
the
Florida
building
code,
which
requires
all
work
to
have
the
permit,
and
you
kind
of
heard
that
conversation.
You
heard
that
discussion,
and
then
you
also
heard
evidence
and
testimony
regarding
36.06
and
and
the
fences
Hedges
section
of
your
code,
which
which
does
reference
and
refer
to
permits
being
required.
E
There
are
a
couple
things
and
issues
of
testimony
that
I
think
were
received
that
may
or
may
not
be
relevant,
particularly
what's
concerning
to
me,
is
doing
work
on
somebody
else's
property
when
it's
required
to
be
done
by
a
licensed
contractor
can
carry
criminal
penalties,
so
that's
something
that's
very
serious
and
whether
it's
a
relative's
property
or
not
a
relative's
property,
if
they're
not
on
the
deed.
E
D
E
That
is
not
something
that
we're
actually
looking
at
here
today.
If
you
know
you
all
deem
that
a
permit
is
required,
you
know
or
that
they
do
not
meet
the
permit
requirements.
That's
one
issue:
they
were
not
cited
with
6-1
3603
or
105.1
of
the
Florida
building
code,
the
section
they
were
cited
with
the
one
with
9-1
of
the
property
maintenance
code,
8-40
duty
of
Maintenance,
8-52
prohibitions,
40
parking
or
storage
of
abandoned
vehicles
and
international
property
maintenance
code
regarding
accessory
structures.
E
So
those
are
the
violations
that
you
have
to
make
a
determination
regarding,
if
a
permit,
if
you
deem
that
these
sections
do
not
require
a
permit
or
it
doesn't
talk
about
the
permit
requirement,
then
the
city
can
come
back
under
the
other
sections
that
were
that
were
discussed
here
today,
such
as
6.1,
36,
36.03
and
105.1,
and
and
treat
it
as
a
new
Fresh
violation
for
work
without
a
permit.
E
E
You
can
do
what's
called
an
after
the
fact
permit
and
a
lot
of
times
what
it
is
is
double
they
just
charge.
You
double
for
the
permit,
as
sort
of
like
a
slap
on
the
wrist,
and
considering
that
you
know
it's
a
70
to
100
permit
that
would
bump
it
up
to
like
a
140
to
200
permit.
If
and
I,
don't
know
for
certain
that
your
code
provides
for
that.
But
that's
something
that's
very
common.
E
So
that's
really
what
I
would
like
for
for
you
all
to
consider
when
you
start
deliberating
this
and
before
you
close
the
public
hearing,
if
you
want
any
further
testimony
from
the
property
owner
from
the
city
regarding
these,
these
items
that
I
just
sort
of
went
over
with
you
I
would
ask
that
you
do
that
before
you
close
the
public
hearing
and
begin
your
deliberations.
F
May
I
comment
on
that.
The
reason
I
did
not
use
6.1
and
105.1
is
because
it
occurred
after
the
case
had
already
started
and
I
didn't
want
to
give
them
a
second
case.
On
top
of
it,
I
was
kind
of
being
nice,
in
extension,
extension
extension
get
your
permit,
get
your
permit
get
your
permit.
But,
yes,
we
could
have
started
a
second
case
at
the
same
time,
but
chose
not
to.
H
So
what
we
would
normally
do
in
a
case
like
this
is
we
would
list
the
things
that
were
compliant
and
say
that
they're
in
compliance
and
then
say
that
one
is
not
in
compliance
and
give
them
a
date
to
come
into
compliance
and
then
and
if
I
would
be
due
thereafter
and
that's
what
we
would
normally
do
correct.
That.
E
Okay,
correct
so
you
you
have
to
look
at
what
was
cited
and
what
we're
here
on
and
determine
whether
or
not
they're,
in
compliance
with
those
and
and
any
relief
I'm.
Sorry,
any
violation
that
you
find
has
to
go
to
the
plain
language
of
what
was
cited
and
the
plain
language
of
these
particular
sections.
And
if
you
look
at
exhibit
three.
E
Stoner
provides
the
plain
language
of
the
sections
that
are
cited.
She
adds
the
description
and
the
city's
requested
remedy.
Yes,
yes,
what
you
are
required
by
law
to
examine
is
the
plain
language
of
the
law
that
is
cited
and
apply
that
to
the
facts
and
evidence.
So
when
you
look
at
what
has
been
cited
and
what
we've
heard
here
today,
that's
what
you
have
to
use
to
make
a
determination
of
whether
or
not
there
is
a
current
violation.
E
L
E
Is
the
plain
language
and
like
for
the
first
one,
you
have
9-1
subsection
a
that
there
is
the
plain
language:
that's
what
she's
directly
copying
out
of
that
is
the
language
you
have
to
apply.
F
E
We
are
still
in
taking
evidence
they
haven't
closed.
The
public
hearing
I
was
giving
them
this
information
before
they
closed
the
public
hearing
to
see
if
they
had
any
additional
inquiries,
either
from
you
all
or
for
for
the
city
on
this
okay,
so
but
but
yeah
yeah.
So
so
we
did
not
officially
close
the
public
hearing
yet.
F
E
So
you're
saying
what
the
the
violation
is
is
that
you
currently
do
not
have
any
guarantee
that
it
is
structurally
sounded
in
good
repair,
correct.
A
A
E
L
A
E
And
that
can
be
one
motion
and
then
you
can
do
a
second
one
to
address
the
one
that
I
think
you
guys
are
still
kind
of
deliberating.
Okay,
so.
L
L
L
A
H
And
to
state
that
she
has
to
come
into
compliance
by
July
28th
or
suffer
a
fine
of
150
a
day.
C
C
I'll
second,
the
motion.
Okay,
you
said:
if
it,
if
they
come
into
compliance
by
July
28th,
there
would
be
no
fight
correct.
Okay,
that's
all
I
want
to
qualify
I'll.
Second,
it.
J
Want
to
just
okay
discussion!
Sorry!
Does
that
give
them
enough
time
to
get
through.
What's
my
question,
the.
L
He
said
I
mean
the
the
building
official
did.
He
said
that
all
was
required
was
that
you
had
to
come
to
the
the
city
with
your
survey
and
then
just
point
out.
We
did
you
know
fence
here
here
and
here
per
the
survey
and
then
they
come
out
to
sign
off
on
it.
So
it's
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
simple,
though
simpler
than
a
norm,
you
know
you're
building
a
whole
house
or
something.
C
H
H
A
Yes,
a
summary
will
be
sent
to
you
from
the
city,
but
we
have
just
I
hope,
you're
listening.
We
have
just
cited
you
for
several
violations
in
the
future.
That
will
be
a
repeat
violation,
so
you
want
to
keep
your
property
cleaned
up.
Don't
let
people
Park
stuff
there
leave
junk
there
or
it
will
be
a
significant
issue
for
you,
the
fall,
the
final
issue
he
needs
to
get
to
the
city
with
the
survey
and
get
a
permit,
as
he's
been
instructed
to
many
times.
E
You
have
until
July
28
2023
to
get
the
permit
and
if
you
don't,
the
proposed
fine
is
150
per
day.
E
G
P
E
A
A
F
F
F
L
D
F
F
I
apologize,
we
were
closed
when
he
wanted
his
reinspection
date,
so
we
backed
it
up
two
days.
Okay,.
F
J
A
H
E
B
F
F
Exhibit
four
is
the
notice
of
hearing
their
certified
mail
receipt
and
the
Affidavit
of
posting,
so
he
was
to
comply
on
or
before
May
11
2023
daily
fine
was
a
hundred
dollars.
Date
of
compliance
was
June
7
2023
for
a
total
of
27
days,
total
daily
fines
are
going
to
be
2
700
with
prosecution
costs
of
307
and
17
cents.
L
23-8000037
to
find
the
respondents
Elias
C
in
lindakios
and
Mabel
and
lindiakos
and
Maria
a
panisius
did
correct
the
violations,
but
failed
to
pay
the
fine
for
the
property
located
at
113
West
Cedar
Street
Tarpon
Springs,
Florida
34689.
The
respondents
were
out
of
compliance
from
May
11
2023
to
June
7th
2023
totaling
27
days
with
a
with
a
daily
fine
amount
of
100
and
prosecution
costs
of
307.17,
and
to
accept
the
Affidavit
of
Affidavit
of
compliance
and
the
Affidavit
of
prosecution
costs.
L
A
E
H
A
H
F
A
J
On
June,
the
13th,
the
county
or
the
City
commissioners
had
their
meeting
in
reference
to
a
a
reduction
and
in
that
I'm
sure
you're
aware
of
it,
but
in
that
maybe
somebody
else
isn't,
but
in
that
discussion
they
thought
that
our
numbers,
the
dollar,
amount
that
we
were
asking
people
was
ridiculous.
A
J
L
J
J
How
can
you
say
that
offense
is
offense
if
it's
built
so
that
it
will
just
deteriorate
within
six
months
and
tell
me
it's
okay,
not
to
paint
it
what's
you
know
it
just
doesn't
make
any
sense,
some
of
it,
but
it's
not
us
I
mean
we're
trying
everything
we
can
in
order
to
you
know
in
order
to
give
ourselves
feeling
of
as
if
we're
accomplishing
something
and
that
our
neighborhoods
are
some
places
where
people
want
to
live
and
not
next
door
to
some
dilapidated
house.
That
has
been
that
way
for
many
years
and.
L
To
be
fair,
the
City
Works
I
mean,
with
all
these
cases
they
go
out
of
their
way
before
I
mean
before
it
gets
to
us.
It's
gone
back
and
forth
back
and
forth.
So
it's
not
I.
Don't
think
anybody
could
accuse
the
city
of
being
Ticky
tack
or
or
malicious
I
mean
they.
That
was,
it
was
the
way
with
the
previous
inspector
you've
been
that
way,
I
think
they
they
work
with
everybody
the
best
they.
K
D
K
C
C
D
E
Before
we
get
in
before
we
get
into
that,
because
code
enforcement
is
never
supposed
to
be
about
the
revenue
right
absolutely
code
enforcement
is
a
hundred
percent
about
compliance
with
the
code,
maintaining
the
standards
of
your
community
and
all
of
that,
and
you
all
have
a
very,
very
hard
job
in
that
respect.
I
certainly
appreciate
the
work
that
you
do
oftentimes.
E
You
have
to
see
your
neighbors
and
and
people
that
you
know
and
hear
and
have
to
make
decisions
that
a
lot
of
people
are
not
going
to
like
right,
then,
sometimes
that's
why
code
enforcement
can
be
one
of
the
hardest
positions
to
fill
as
a
voluntary
board,
because
you
do
have
to
make
difficult
decisions.
You
have
to
make
decisions
that
affect
people's
property
and,
and
that
can
be
very
difficult
and
it
can
weigh
on
you.
E
What
I
would
like
to
express
is
a
perspective
from
case
law
regarding
the
reasonableness
of
the
fines
and
for
the
short
time
that
I
have
been
here.
I
have
not
seen
this
issue
for,
for
you
all,
specifically
in
any
of
the
cases
that
you've
heard
or
that
you've
ruled
on.
E
Q
E
Right
for
for
grass,
it
was
like
a
six-figure
fine
that
exceeded
the
value
of
the
property
and
I
think
that
that
is
the
perception
that
politically
people
would
want
to
avoid
for
the
city.
But
again,
I
have
not
seen
anything
in
in
what
you
have
before
you
now
that
even
comes
close
to
that
and
to
that
level
of
unreasonableness,
and
you
actually
have
mechanisms
built
into
your
code
that
we
can
Shore
up
a
little
bit
to
make
sure
you
don't
hit
that
level
of
on
on
reasonableness.
You
know
it
gives
you
there
are.
E
There
are
some
goal
posts
in
there,
where
you
can
stop
that
fine
after
so
many
months
and
I,
think
it
actually
says
that
that
the
amount
of
the
fine
cannot
exceed
I'm.
Pretty
sure
it
says
that
in
your
code,
I'm
actually
working
on
some
revisions,
so
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
if
it's
currently
there
or
if
it's
something
that
we
were
going
to
add
in,
but
that
the
fine
cannot
exceed
the
value
of
the
home
and
the
property.
And
that's
something
that's
put
in
place
by
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
To
give
you
guidance.
A
E
E
E
So
you
do
have
some
parameters
that
you
work
within
in
order
to
ensure
the
reasonableness
of
the
code
and
to
make
sure
that
this
does
not
become
something.
That's
just
there
to
supplement
the
coffers
of
the
city
and
certainly
with
having
a
board
like
this.
That's
not
something
that
you
know
we
would
see,
but
that
I
think
is
the
maybe
the
perspective
or
even
the
appearance
that
they
want
to
avoid
and
and
I
didn't
hear,
the
comments
that
were
made
at
the
June
13th
meeting.
But
perhaps
that
is
more.
A
E
Yeah,
well,
you
all
do
not
have
the
ability
to
initiate
code
enforcement
proceedings,
so
I
don't
see
how
there
could
be
a
selective
prosecution
issue,
particularly
for
you
all
sitting
up
here.
A
O
Elias
lindiakis
113
West
Cedar
Street
the
perception
with
these
fines.
One
one
issue
here
and
you
know
as
Cindy
stated
here.
Well,
you
know
other
municipalities
have
the
same
type
of
fines,
doing
construction.
You
know
to
renovate
or
remedy
your
fines.
If
that's
what
what's
in
concern?
Okay,
the
problem
is
here:
how
do
you
find
somebody
on
a
Sunday
religious
holidays
when
no
work
can
be
done
in
the
city?
Has
an
ordinance
of
no
construction
work?
O
On
that
day,
number
two
is
legal,
federal
holidays,
you're
being
fined
on
legal
holidays
that
you
can't
do
no
work.
Nobody
shows
up
to
do
any
work
on
that.
Okay
and
then
third
is
rain
days.
How
that's
that's
a
big
question
here,
because
people
are
being
fined
like
I
was
on
these
days.
I
can't
do
work
on
those
days
to
try
to
alleviate
my
problem
here.
O
You
know
and
that's
an
issue,
that's
broad
hand,
because
what
it
does
is
say,
hey
you.
People
are
after
revenues
here,
because
if
you
weren't
after
revenues,
then
you
would
consider
those
days
because
because
governments
do
a
public,
public
entities
do
and
I've
worked
for
for
for
counties
and
things
like
that.
They
exclude
those
items.
I'm.
A
D
O
Q
Q
O
And
I'm
going
to
make
it
quick,
but
you
know
what
you
we
we
asked
for
30
days.
Okay,
now
we
were
under
the
exception
of
30
days,
was
to
remove
a
vehicle,
bring
a
couple
other
vehicles
into
compliance
with
tags,
but
not
the
construction
I'm
a
contractor.
There
was
no
way
that
I
could
do
the
construction
on
my
house
in
30
days,
So
within
the
30
days,
I
called
for
a
compliance
inspection
on
the
items.
O
O
I
mean
it
was
if
I
was
told
that
from
the
beginning
and
I
asked
Mike
I
said
you
know:
I
need
more
than
30
days.
I
need
at
least
90
days
to
finish
this
siding
work
and
to
thank
God
that
I
knew
contos
and
he
was
bringing
in
his
people
on
off
days,
okay
and
stuff
to
try
to
get
this
work
done
as
fast
as
I
could
and
that's
what
I've
done
I
did
it
as
fast
as
I.
Could
it
took
me
27
days?
O
That's
when
I
started
my
siding,
so
you
know
people
look
at
that
stuff
and
not
and
and
and
that's
how
they
judge
you
guys
from
that,
and
not
only
that.
Okay
at
the
beginning,
when
the
so-called
certification
or
the
the
mailing
was
sent
out,
certified
okay,
February
24th
February
17th
I
was
in
the
hospital
receiving
a
kidney
six
days
in
the
hospital
30
over
30
days
at
my
sisters.
O
What
mail
she
brought
me
I,
never
seen
certified
certified
paperwork
or
you
know
the
the
signatures
and
stuff
and
that's
a
God's,
honest
truth.
The
first
time
I
answered
a
certified
letter
was
when
to
come
in
front
of
you
guys.
O
E
You
thanks
just
for
the
board's
edification
with
respect
to
the
computation
of
time
that
follows
the
rules
of
judicial
Administration
for
the
State
of
Florida
and
I
believe
Andy.
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
it's
either
10.
E
Is
it
10
days
it's
only
if,
if
the
time
given
is
10
days
that
you
count
you
just
you
discount
The
Sundays
and
legal
holidays
yeah,
so
there's
there's
actually
a
rule
in
the
State
of
Florida
that
governs
when
you
cut
out
the
holidays
and
things
like
that
and
with
and
that's
for
less
than
10
days
for
in
terms
of
computation
of
time.
But
the
running
of
the
lien
follows
under
Florida's
lean
law
and
Florida's.
E
Lean
law
does
not
provide
exceptions
for
things
like
holidays
and
federal
holidays,
and
things
like
that,
and
we
are
without
the
ability
to
alter
or
or
make
any
amendments
to,
Florida's
lean
laws
and.
E
Not
as
they
regard
not
anything
with
respect
to
a
particular
case
would
be
my
preference
if
it's
General
about
the
application
of
their
of
their
code
and
the
law
moving
forward.
That's
fine!
Okay,.