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From YouTube: Heritage Preservation Board February 1, 2016
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City of Tarpon Springs Heritage Preservation Board meeting February 1, 2016
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This
is
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding
where
the
board
acts
as
a
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi
judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
the
law,
but
rather
to
apply
the
laws
already
been
established
in
a
quasi
judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
containing
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
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The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
establishing
the
Code
of
Ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competence
addition
substantially
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
establishing
the
Code
of
Ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
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Chairman
members
of
the
board,
the
applicant
at
this
time
is
requesting
a
certificate
of
approval.
They
did
come
last
month
and
they
have
returned.
They
have
made
a
couple
of
changes
on
their
application,
so
the
ones
that
we
are
hearing
tonight
are
a.
In
addition,
a
seven
foot
by
28
foot
storage
room
with
the
hardy
board
lap
siding
to
the
primary
use
in
construction
of
a
deck
and
ramp
on
the
west
side
of
the
structure.
Again,
this
property
is
an
example
of
commercial
architect
in
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs.
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During
the
spanish-american
war
era,
the
structure
has
undergone
some
minor
alterations,
but
the
majority
of
the
architectural
details
remain
in
the
overall
historic
massing
is
retained.
The
applicant
is
seeking
a
certificate
of
approval
to
construct
a
seven
foot
by
28
foot
storage
room
to
the
primary
use.
The
storage
room
will
be
constructed
on
a
concrete
for
the
wall,
2
inch
by
4
inch
pressure,
treated
wood
and
2
inch
by
6
inch,
pressure-treated
roof
rafters
Hardie
board
lap
siding
with
a
5v
crimp
sheet
metal
for
the
roof.
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According
to
the
city
attorney,
the
applicant
can
be
heard
that
the
applicant
must
provide
proof
of
ownership
or
the
current
owner
must
provide
a
signed
affidavit
prior
to
filing
a
building
permit
application,
since
this
case
has
already
been
heard,
I'm
just
going
to
hit
the
high
points
on
some
of
the
items.
The
proposed
new
construction
is
a
storage
room
to
the
rear
of
the
contributing
structure.
The
proposed
addition
will
contain
Hardie
board
and
a
metal
roof
to
be
consistent
with
what
is
already
there.
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On
page
number,
four
you'll
see
that
they
have
pine
siding
and
Hardy
board
where
those
two
places
meet
they're
going
to
continue
with
the
hardy
board
to
the
end,
which
is
the
the
new
structure
that
they
want
to
add
so
they're
going
to
continue
to
use
that
Harding
harding
board,
because
it's
at
the
rear
of
the
building
all
right
back
to
a
page
two.
Well,
let's
go
on
to
page
three
now
the
applicant
would
like
to
extend
the
existing
deck
on
the
west
side
of
the
structure
together
with
a
ramp.
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This
ramp
will
extend
outwards
towards
the
rear
of
the
property
and,
as
you
can
see
in
the
picture,
I've
put
a
couple
arrows
there
so
that
you
can
see
where
they
want
to
extend
that
there
will
be
no
changes
to
the
windows
and
the
doors
the
porch
and
ramp
will
be
consistent
with
the
existing
porch.
The
size
and
mass
of
the
building
after
the
alterations
are
reflected
reflecting
the
building's
original
architectural
style.
The
new
construction
on
the
side
into
the
rear
is
compatible
to
the
structure
in
the
surrounding
area.
F
The
material
is
being
used
for
the
deck
and
ramp
are
the
same
as
the
existing
porch
and
ramp.
The
addition
to
the
rail
will
be
consistent
with
the
adjoining
materials
at
the
rear
of
the
building
and
will
not
be
seen
from
the
front
of
the
property
and
then
again,
that's
where
I
I
note.
The
harding
board
party
board
is
consistent,
page
5,
the
changes
to
the
building
are
for
a
deck
and
ramp
and
the
storage
they're
not
attempting
to
create
an
earlier
appearance
than
what's
already
there.
F
They
are
consistent
with
the
Secretary
of
Interior
standard
for
rehabilitation
guidelines
and
also
the
LDC
as
identified
in
this
area.
There
is
no
archaeological
sites
that
we
know
of
staff
recommends
approval
on
the
condition
that
the
applicant
provides
proof
of
ownership
or
has
an
affidavit
signed
by
the
current
owner
prior
to
filing
for
a
building
permit
for
a
7
by
28
storage
room
addition
with
Hardie
board
lap
siding
to
the
primary
use
in
construction
of
a
deck
and
ramp
on
the
west
side
of
the
structure
the
applicant
has
provided
some
photos.
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They've
also
provided
a
material
list
of
the
items
that
they
will
be
using
for
the
new
construction
storage
room
and
that's
on
the
first
page
of
the
material
list.
Two
by
four
walls,
2
by
6,
roof
party
lap,
siding
outside
the
walls
to
match
the
house.
The
metal
roof
will
be
a
5v,
crimp
metal
and
the
deck
and
ramp.
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Okay,
now
we
will
turn
to
our
next
our
new
case,
which
is
CA
number
1
605,
the
Unitarian
Universalist
Church
57
Reed,
Street
demolition
of
the
narthex
new
construction
to
replace
form,
room
and
stares,
and
a
terrace
reopened,
doorways
and
windows
and
replace
existing
windows
may
I
hear
from
the
city
on
this
place.
This.
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The
entryway
to
the
bell
tower
has
another
door
that
was
closed
and
will
reopen
and
will
be
replaced
with
entryway
doors
and
transoms
that
were
found
and
will
be
replicated.
New
construction
is
also
being
requested
with
this
certificate
of
approval,
where
the
narthex
is
currently
located.
The
applicant
is
requesting
monumental
stairs
to
the
entryway
and
a
terrace.
This
will
allow
those
attending
to
have
more
room
entering
the
church
and
will
maintain
the
architectural
features
of
the
church.
New
construction
will
allow
for
a
door
to
be
added
to
the
addition
of
the
church
that
was
built.
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The
1950s
/
the
agent,
the
entryway
to
the
addition
was
in
the
norfolk's
there,
for
a
new
door
will
be
needed
to
the
outside
off
of
the
terrace.
In
keeping
with
the
historic
significance
of
its
time,
it
will
be
constructed
with
the
door
that
will
retain
and
preserve
its
time
of
the
1950's.
The
forum
room
was
determined
to
be
unsafe
by
the
tarpon
springs.
Building
development
director
the
applicant
has
vacated
the
room
and
is
in
the
process
of
demolition,
are
demolishing
the
forum
room,
leaving
only
the
north
wall.
F
The
north
wall
maintains
the
architectural
design
of
the
church.
The
certificate
of
approval
will
allow
the
two
windows
and
door
in
the
front
to
be
replaced
with
like
windows
and
doors
and
the
new
construction
from
from
the
certificate
of
approval
on
the
forum
room
will
replace
to
its
original
footprint
and
style.
The
building
will
have
a
plaster
finish
and
two
windows
and
the
east
side.
The
addition
is
not
visible
from
the
road.
The
roof
will
change
from
a
very
small
gable
to
a
large
gable
per
the
design
guidelines.
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The
ARCA
the
applicant
is
requesting
to
replace
the
roof
so
that
it
will
be
in
character
with
the
architectural
style
of
the
church.
So,
first
we're
going
to
go
through
the
review
criteria
for
demolition
of
the
non
effects
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
the
answer.
Portion
of
that,
the
requested
portion
for
demolition
was
added
at
a
different
time.
F
Removing
the
narthex
will
allow
for
a
portion
of
the
original
structure
to
be
uncovered
that
if
you
want
to
follow
along
with
the
pictures,
it
is
the
last
believe
last
three
pictures
that
you
have
in
your
packet,
the
large
ones.
These
were
postcards
that
the
agent
I
gave
to
me
to
show
you
how
the
original
norfolk's
was
or
there
was
not,
and
that's
what's
being
demolished
at
the
time.
F
I
guess
it's
two
pages
so
I'm
going
to
go
on
on
page
tea
with
the
staff
report,
demolition
of
the
narthex
will
allow
for
the
doors
on
the
festival
the
bell
tower
to
be
opened
and
allow
the
original
entry
way
to
be
used.
This
will
allow
for
the
ambiance
of
the
district
to
remain
removing
the
narthex
will
allow
that
portion
of
the
bed
tower
that
was
boarded
up
to
be
used
again
in
its
original
design,
as
shown
below,
together
with
the
two
windows
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
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In
the
staff
report
it
shows
that
portion
to
be
removed
and
then
portions,
to
be
exposed
after
the
demolition
and
those
are
the
same
as
the
postcards.
The
Gothic
Revival
style
of
this
church
is
not
the
only
remaining
example
located
in
the
historic
district
or
in
this
city.
The
proposed
demolition
is
only
for
that
portion
added
later
and
not
for
the
contributing
church.
So
it's
going
to
remain
and
maintain
that
gothic
revival,
because
we're
not
touching
any
of
that.
It's
just
that
narthex
building,
that's
to
the
side.
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F
So
go
ahead
and
move
forward.
The
new
construction
will
be
for
the
stairs
and
terrace
leading
to
the
church
and
the
reconstruction
of
the
forum
room.
The
alteration
to
the
front
of
the
church
will
be
compatible
with
the
adjacent
contributing
structures
of
similar
characters.
Using
what
page
are
you
on
I'm.
F
On
the
review
criteria,
while
beginning
with
the
new
construction,
the
alteration
to
the
front
of
the
church
will
be
compatible
with
the
adjacent
contributing
structures
of
similar
character
located
throughout
the
neighborhood.
The
new
construction
of
the
forum
room
will
be
consistent
with
what
is
currently
located
on
that
site,
so
they're
removing
it
and
putting
up
a
new
one
same
footprint
as
what
is
there?
They
just
per
the
city
of
tarpon
streams.
Tarpon
springs.
They
had
to
remove
that.
It
was
condemned.
F
The
changes
to
the
contributing
structure
with
the
re-opening
and
replacement
of
doors
and
windows
will
be
consistent
with
the
character
of
the
building's
original
architectural
style.
The
original
door
to
the
outside
was
located
in
the
church's
attic,
and
the
original
transom
was
uncovered.
The
doors
and
transoms
will
be
custom-made
to
match
the
original
doors
and
the
page
five.
That
is
what
it
will
look
like.
F
Number
six
is
the
original
church
door
that
they
located
and
then
number
seven
is
what
the
transom
looks
like
when
they
uncovered
everything
and
so
those
two
the
door.
The
transoms
will
be
replicated
to
look
like
the
picture
on
page
five,
the
windows
will
really
be
placed
an
insulated,
exterior
vinyl.
As
noted
on
the
materials
list.
The
applicant
is
replacing
the
windows
with
life,
design
that
are
impact
resistant
for
the
2014
Florida
building
code
and
also
on
page
five.
You
can
see
that
the
windows
have
been
boarded
up.
Those
will
be
opened.
F
The
open
space
is
not
being
changed.
The
north
wall
of
the
forum
room
will
remain
in
the
new
roof
will
have
a
large
gable
to
keep
it
compatible
with
the
roof.
Well,
with
the
church,
the
existing
church,
the
Rose
window
originally
in
the
sanctuary,
will
be
installed
in
the
gable
as
shown
below
so
right.
Now
you
it's
a
smaller
gable.
You
can
see
on
the
first
picture
on
the
second
picture.
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F
That's
what
they
they're
going
to
place,
that
in
the
new
portion,
the
size
of
mass,
of
the
contributing
structure
after
the
alterations
will
be
reflective
of
the
building's
original
architectural
style,
the
size
and
mass
of
new
construction
for
the
forum
room
will
maintain
the
same
style
as
originally
constructed,
except
for
the
roof.
The
building
will
have
a
plaster
finish
in
two
windows.
On
the
east
side,
the
addition
is
to
the
side
of
the
contributing
structure
that
is
not
visible
from
the
road.
F
The
roof
will
have
a
gable
in
order
to
be
consistent
with
the
facade
of
the
room
in
complementary
to
the
church,
the
it
has
been
diligent
about
locating
original
materials
in
order
to
create
a
consistent,
architectural
style
and
character.
Pictures
have
been
copied
from
the
archives
in
order
to
determine
the
distinctive
features.
The
original
doors
and
windows
were
found
and
will
be
replicated
in
order
to
be
consistent
with
the
architectural
style
and
character.
The
forum
room
will
be
constructed
to
match
the
existing
room,
footprint
and
original
style.
F
Two
windows
will
be
added
on
the
east
side
wall
and
the
siding
will
be
rebuilt
with
posture,
as
shown,
the
north
wall
will
remain
in
the
windows,
and
door
will
be
replaced
to
replicate
the
existing
windows
and
doors
that
gable.
We
be
constructed
to
be
consistent
with
the
existing
gable
on
the
church.
After
removing
the
narthex
and
exposing
the
entryway
to
the
bell
tower
and
the
two
windows
located
on
the
south
side,
the
removal
will
also
expose
the
addition
at
the
rear
of
the
building.
The
addition
was
constructed
sometime
during
the
nineteen.
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Fifty
with
a
different
architectural
style.
Changes
will
not
be
made,
but
a
door
will
be
added
in
order
to
enter
that
portion
of
the
church
from
the
terrace.
The
doors
will
conform
to
the
style
during
that
era
recognizing
and
respecting
the
significance
of
that
time
period,
the
renovations
of
the
contributing
structure
meet
the
Secretary
of
Interior
standard
for
rehabilitation
and
guidelines
for
rehabilitating
historic
buildings.
The
proposed
project
conforms
that
those
objectives
and
policies
of
the
comprehensive,
comprehensive
plan
and
no
known
architectural
sites
will
be
impacted.
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K
K
K
K
It's
all
there
I
mean
the
idea
has
been
to
really
to
put
this
building
back
together
because
it
was
sadly
maneuvered
over
the
years
and
and
then
termites
being
what
they
are
here
and
rain
coming
off
of
the
roof
essentially
destroyed
that
forum
room
to
a
point
where
it
needed
to
be
condemned
and
rebuilt.
How.
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K
They
have
to
because
well
the
primary
reason
for
rebuilding
things,
as
opposed
to
using
the
original
materials
is
that
the
paintings
are
our
legacy
and
they
have
to
be
in
an
environment
that
is
protected
and
I.
Think
for
the
longest
time
the
congregation
felt
that
by
having
the
place
be
a
tomb
door,
you
know
totally
solid,
they
wouldn't
be,
and
that
was
quite
erroneous
because
in
fact,
there's
just
masonite
wall
with
a
little
stucco
on
it,
and
if
we
had
a
hurricane,
the
paintings
would
actually
blown
through.
K
K
The
Rose
window,
we're
probably
going
to
try
and
use
the
same
window
and
put
essentially
a
shield
on
the
outside,
like
because
the
building
had
four
rows
windows
initially,
and
then
there
was
a
modification
where
they
created
essentially
for
bump-outs
and
when
they
bumped
out
to
make
the
church
slightly
bigger,
they
they
blocked
all
the
Rose
windows,
except
for
the
one
that
remains.
So
when
we
were
up
in
the
attic,
I
found
a
rose
window
it
and
you
know,
trying
to
figure
out
how
the
church
worked
in
admitting
you
know
previously.
So.
L
K
A
J
J
M
E
M
I
certainly
do
I
so
swear
I'm,
Reverend,
Robert,
Murphy
I'm,
the
minister
at
the
church,
very
new
to
this
area
and
livid
1706
palomino
dr.
If
you
want
that
from
the
record,
I'm
very
grateful
for
your
support.
This
is
indeed
the
oldest
church
in
tarpon
springs,
one
of
the
oldest
in
the
area.
It's
been
part
of
this
community
for
well
over
a
hundred
years,
and
we
try
to
serve
the
whole
community.
Church
has
helped
the
homeless
and
helps
the
hungry
reaches
out
to
people
of
different
faith
traditions.
M
We
hope
that
you
come
to
visit
us
as
the
church
is
reestablished
and
we'll
invite
all
of
you
to
the
celebration
as
we
reopen,
because
we
want
to
be
a
home
for
all
people,
so
your
support
is
very
much
appreciated
and,
as
renee
has
said,
we're
concerned
about
hurricanes.
This
is
a
very
environmental
minded
congregation
and
if
something
called
the
green
sanctuary
program,
so
we're
very
sensitive
to
what's
happening
in
the
environment,
and
we
do
want
to
be
helpful
to
all
of
you.
Thank
you.
F
H
C
G
F
K
G
K
Yes,
by
taking
the
Norfolk's
away,
we
now
have
a
situation
where
we
need
to
still
connect
to
our
social
hall,
which
is
this
building
that
runs
into
the
church,
and
this
door
is
what
is
there
now
is
essentially
some
little
Dutch
doors
with
glass,
pings
above
and
you
know,
frou-frou
trim
and
their
interior
door,
so
they
obviously
are
not
going
to
be.
But
but
the
idea
is
to
put
essentially
a
store
front
door,
an
aluminum
store
front
door
that
will
match
all
the
other
aluminium.
G
A
G
G
K
You
see
this,
this
angle
is
the
edge
of
the
current
block
wall
that
matches
the
sanctuary
and
when
we
propose
is
to
do
a
12
x,
12
pitch,
which
would
replicate
the
pitch
of
the
church,
serve
to
properly
do
a
saddle
between
the
two
roof
and
shed
the
water
off,
because
that's
in
part,
the
problems
that
caused
the
building
to
sink
by
not
having
you
know,
one
gutters
and
two
proper
pitch
roof,
and
so
the
new
the
new
essentially
will
have
to
waltz.
We
will
have
the
facade
remaining
historic
and,
from
behind
it
will
rise.
G
K
Underneath
you
know
the
narthex
comes
in
here
and
and
then
they
built
a
secondary
set
of
stairs,
so
there's
stairs
coming
out
of
stairs
which
any
as
much
as
this
is
quaint.
It's
certainly
not
legal
by
today's
codes
of
entering
a
building
and
then
having
a
step
into
it.
So
the
idea
was
to
maintain
that
North
X
field
and
then
extend
it
as
a
terrorist.
So
we
would
have
you
know
a
approach
and
a
place
for
weddings
to
take
place,
and
you
know
all
that
kind
of
good
stuff.
E
C
L
L
A
K
F
F
Don't
know
if
you
want
to
go
through
them,
step-by-step
nail
if
you
want
to
take
them
home
and
look
at
them
and
then
come
back
and
we
can
discuss
them.
It's
kind
of
up
to
you.
I've
also
attached
the
portion
of
our
land
development
code,
which
is
the
heritage
preservation
for
you
all
to
have
a
copy
and
what
we
do
and
how
we
have
our
findings
of
facts
or
appeals.
F
Everything
that
we
do
for
heritage
preservation
is
in
that
packet
and
then,
like
I,
said
we
do
have
our
applications,
so
the
first
one
is
the
certificate
of
approval.
So
whenever
someone
comes
for
the
board,
this
is
the
first
application
that
they
will
present
to
us.
Along
with
the
information
we
request,
we
have
the
economic
hardship
exemption.
F
We
also
have
the
appeal
application
and
then,
if
someone
is
interested
in
designating
their
property
as
historic
property,
we
also
have
that
application
so
take
it
from
there
I'm,
not
sure
how
you
would
like
to
move
forward
with
this,
but
we
are
here
to
listen
to
any
questions
or
comments
you
may
have
and
how
to
prepare
our
cases
to
present
better
before
you
just
need
to.
Let
us
know
what
you
want
from
us
a
lot
of
times
we
are
asked
about.
F
Well,
did
you
ask
them
to
give
you
this
of
this,
that,
on
page
2
of
4
of
the
certificate
of
approval,
these
are
the
items
that
are
on
the
application.
So
if
there
is
something
else
you
would
like
to
have
the
applicant
present
and
please
make
sure
that
we
have
to
also
follow
the
guidelines
of
the
land
development
code.
What
is
in
this
code
is
what
we
need
to
follow.
So,
if
you're
asking
for
something
that's
outside
of
the
code,
that's
where
the
conflict
comes.
C
I
L
I
Application
we
just
reviewed,
they
provided
photos
of
material
list.
Obviously
they
couldn't
provide
samples
because
it's
being
fabricated,
but
those
are
things
that
we
regularly
ask
for
and
in
fact
have
deferred
approval
or
moving
on
applicants,
because
those
things
are
missing,
but
they're,
not
enough.
They're
not
really
requested
an
application
or
those
outside
of
the
guideline
that
to
require
materials,
les
photos
and
samples
well.
G
I
In
Section
H,
it
says
the
application
for
a
certificate
of
approval
shall
be
made
on
a
form
provided
by
planning
and
zoning
department
and
shall
be
accompanied
by
such
plans,
drawings
materials,
photographs
or
other
information
describing
the
proposed
alteration.
So
that
would
seem
to
put
us
within
the
guideline
or
within
the
boundaries,
to
ask
for
those
things
and
I
would
like
to
see
that
added
to
the
application
so
that
when
people
come,
we're
not
surprising
them
by
asking
them
for
the
we.
J
I
G
G
J
I
think
that
we
really
should
have
copies
of
a
design
guidelines
handed
out
to
the
applicants,
because
then
they
won't
be
surprised
no
by
what
we're
talking
about
in
terms
of
materials
and
historic
materials
and
they'll
see
samples
of
what
a
good
restoration
and
a
bad
one
is,
and
that
I
think
might
trigger
some
ideas
and
their
own
minds
and
might
be
a
helpful
tool
for
them.
Save
you
some
trouble
down
the
road
bearing
in
mind
that
they
do
need
to
be
updated,
but
you
know
until
there's
something
better.
F
L
Is
there
anywhere
that
we
could
also
address
at
what
point
the
severity
of
deterioration
requires,
replacing
a
replacement
of
materials?
I
mean
we
address
that
in
the
last
meeting
a
little
bit
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
thought
about
that
much
as
far
as
whether
there
would
be
a
required
engineer
contractor
whether
that
would
be
a
requirement
or
if
the
actual
property
owner
or
applicant
could
make
that
decision
based
on
a
set
of
criteria.
If.
F
F
That
is
found
in
our
design
review.
Guidelines
in
under
windows
says
the
fifty
percent
or
more
of
the
windows
are
deteriorated
or
missing.
Then
the
host
oil
replacement
of
all
windows
is
permitted,
provided
that
new
windows
shall
match
the
key
design
elements
of
the
original
windows.
So
some
of
the
things
that
are
in
our
land
of
development
code
are
in
our
historic
guidelines.
B
B
A
I
You
know
that
it
would
appear
that
be
the
same
period.
I
didn't
see
anything
specifically
addressing
the
actual
material
itself
and
I
know
we
made
recommendations
are
asked
about
using
the
secondary
market,
wood
and
things
like
that.
But
I
don't
see
anything
in
here
that
says
it
all
talks
about
the
appeared.
A
G
I
J
I
B
B
A
B
J
Well,
for
instance,
with
the
windows
example,
there
is
specifically
say
in
their
design
guidelines
and
Secretary
of
Interior
standards.
I
believe
that
vinyl
is
acceptable.
If
you're,
you
know,
if
it's
in
the
same
look
as
what
it's
replacing
and
again,
if
you're
replacing
you
know.
If
over
fifty
percent
of
the
windows
are
deteriorated,
then
you
can
go
ahead
and
do
all
of
them
in
the
vinyl.
B
L
For
me
part.
6
of
this
standards
is
page
10
of
my
package,
and
it
just
says
where
possible,
materials
that
are
able
to
be
found
and
there's
no
real
definition
of
what
what
we've
made
possible.
You
know
or
what
what
is
possible
for
the
actual
I
guess
just
a
little
bit
more
clarity
for
them
like
similar
to
what
we
dealt
with
him.
To
last
me
even
discussing
the
shingles
think
it
was
that's
just
something
I'll
be
thinking
about,
since
the
last
trying
to
actually
well
do.
L
A
C
L
I
Application,
that's
already
done,
and
over
with
was
the
kc
q
barbecue,
where
they're
making
an
investment
in
downtown
purchasing
an
historical
home
to
make
a
restaurant
out
of
it
trying
they
really
wanted
to
clean
it
up
and
make
it
look
great,
but
then
the
standards
that
we
were
starting
to
tell
them
that
they
might
have
to
achieve,
became
financially
and
justin
cumbersome
for
them.
So
they
would,
through
all
of
that
part
of
the
application
they're
going
to
make
minor
little
repairs
on
the
building.
I
And
now
you
have
a
historical
home,
that's
not
being
preserved,
but
it's
going
to
continue
to
deteriorate.
So
we've
got
to
figure,
I've
gone
to
Hyde
Park
Amelia,
Island
Savannah.
They
all
have
sections
about
use
of
Hardie
board
use
of
secondary
materials
and
have
figured
out
a
way
to
incorporate
it.
I
I
think
this
goes
back
to
the
city,
not
updating
things
until
they
get
a
grant
for
it.
The
city's
got
to
set
some
money
aside
to
handle
these
things.
I
Even
if
we
don't
get
a
grant,
somebody's
gotta
we've
got
to
be
able
to
sit
down.
I
think
that's
where
we
need
to
start
week
and
talk
about
what
we
want
to
see
change,
but
that
we're
talking
about
design
guidelines.
It
has
to
a
very
formal
process
to
make
these
changes,
and
it
is
our
citizens
are
suffering
because.
H
I
G
J
Think
I
brought
up
with
our
last
meeting.
That
was
the
attorney
that
we
are
allowed
to,
or
maybe
it
was
even
with
the
planning
and
zoning
department
that
we
could
actually
take
one
section
at
a
time
and
update
it.
You
know
we
don't
have
to
wait
until
everything's
done,
but
something
that's
really
be
coming
up
again
and
again
to
address
that
and
several
people
mention
looking
at
other
design
guidelines
from
other
cities.
There's
no
sense
in
reinventing
the
wheel.
If
there's
something
that
people
like
know
so.
G
J
F
G
C
Well,
I'd
like
to
interject
what
I
had
brought
up
from
an
expert
from
the
division
of
historical
resources.
Last
we
are
last
month
and
asked
to
have
it
included
in
the
minutes,
so
everyone
could
read
it
completely
through
and
she
disagrees
with
replacement
unless
it's
an
absolute
economic
hardship
with
Hardy
board,
and
she
says
I
can't
only
see
this
cuz
of
them
blue,
but
in
light
of
the
replacement
with
the
original,
appropriate
pine
board,
siding
with
a
modern
engineer.
C
Material
is
inappropriate
and
she
goes
on,
especially
if
only
certain
sections
versus
the
entire
exterior
envelope
needed
replacement
and
yes,
the
hardy
board.
Mimics
wood
board
siding
and
has
a
concrete
component
that
increases
its
lifespan.
But
unless
the
contractor
put
on
Hardie
board
that
match
the
profile
on
height
of
the
former
pine
board,
it
will
virtually
look
different
and
if
you
would
look
at
actually
the
original
siding
on
these
boards,
that
are,
they
have
like
a
curvature
at
the
top,
and
then
they
go
down.
A
C
C
They're
curved
they're
totally
different
now,
if
they
have
a
hardy
board
like
that,
I
haven't
seen
it
yet,
but
anyway
she
goes
on
in
she
disagrees.
She
feels
that
it,
it
hurts
the
integrity
of
the
structure
and,
although
she
wouldn't
take
it
away
the
contributing
status
of
it,
she
says
that
it
definitely
damages
the
integrity
of
the
you
know.
So
where
do
we
stand
as
a
historic
preservation
board?
We
think
we
need
to
consider
also
expert
advice
from
people
that
are
you
know
in
that
position:
she's
a
historic
preservation
supervisor
for
survey
and
registration.
The.
G
We're
fighting
a
losing
battle,
I'm
have
fun
so
at
least
having
guidelines
that
we
can
work
with
as
well
as
it's
not
a
surprise
to
the
applicants.
They
know
what
they
have
to
step
up
to.
You
know,
and
it's
it's
not
a
surprise
when
they
go
to
purchase
a
historic
structure
in
a
historic
district.
The
standards
are
going
to
be
held
to
hope.
L
L
Fear
just
I've
only
been
here
for
team
meetings,
but
I
would
hate
to
see
a
pattern
where
people
feel
like
they
need
to
come
with
less
information
and
because
out
of
fear
to
you,
know
the
problems
that
we're
going
to
come
up
with
with
this
I
I've
just
been
researching
other
cities.
Since
the
last
meeting
and
I
grew
up
in
st.
Augustine,
which
has
means
I
mentioned
last
week.
They
give
you
a
list,
I
mean
not,
there's
not
definitive
information
on
the
hardy
board.
L
I
wish
there
was,
but
that
is
definitely
a
gray
zone
for
different
cities,
but
they
give
you
a
list
of
the
different
roofing
materials
that
are
ul
listed
that
are
currently
sold
in
the
market
and
they
tell
you
where
to
find
them.
You
know,
okay
and
if
we
could
just
give
a
little
bit
more
information
to
people
that
are
thinking
about
buying
a
historic
property,
so
that
they're
not
enough
at
a
total
loss
for
what
to
do
next,
when
they
want
to
renovate
or
prepare.
L
I
Island
I
looked
at
theirs
because
I
when
I
visited
there,
I
had
noticed
that
their
buildings
were
similar
to
ours
in
their
homes
or
similar
to
ours.
So
I
thought
those
may
be
smaller
municipalities
rather
than
looking
at
st.
Augustine.
Our
Miami,
because
I
started
in
st.
Augustine
I
looked
at
was
like
there's.
I
L
G
B
F
E
G
H
A
B
H
B
C
B
A
C
I
F
J
I
J
E
J
C
F
Can
do
that
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
if
you
see
anything
else
that
you
feel
I
need
to
add
to
it
or
you
don't
want
to
bring
me
a
sample
or
do
anything
please
I'm
open
and
you
all
have
my
email
address
regarding
the
paint
in
this
in
the
exhibit
a
under
pink.
It
says
it's
not
reviewed
over
either
by
HPV
or
by
staff,
so
they
can
go
out
and
paint
purple
house.
J
J
F
B
C
I
Helping
people
make
improvements
to
their
home,
but
also
retaining
the
historical,
preserving
the
historical
nature
of
our
community,
and
it's
a
it's
just
a
definite
balance.
We
need
to
walk
and
remember
that
we're
we're
also
serving
the
community,
and
we
don't
want
to.
We
want
to
maintain
the
history
of
our
community,
but
we
also
want
people
to
want
to
invest
in
the
community
and
make
it
as
simple
as
possible,
but
yet
still
retain
historical
nature.
I
think
that's!
What
we're
struggling
with
right
now
is
finding
that
balance.
B
She'll
be
called
upon
to
vote,
I
would
like
her
or
whoever
serves
as
an
alternate
to
be
able
to
ask
questions
and
to
be
recognized
as
part
of
our
board.
As
we
see,
we
have
recurring
applications
and
the
alternates
making
in
an
effort
to
keep
abreast
might
want
to
ask
questions
to
clarify
position.
Should
they
be
called.