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From YouTube: Heritage Preservation Board June 4, 2018
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Description
A
It's
now
6:30
I
like
to
call
the
June
4th
meeting
of
the
Heritage
Preservation
Board
to
order
before
we
get
started.
If
everyone
please
silence
your
phones,
so
they
don't
go
off
at
it
in
appropriate
time.
I'd
appreciate
it
well,
I
think
we
have
a
new
board
member,
that's
just
joining
us
tonight.
Laura
Milford
and
just
real
quickly.
Each
board
member
and
the
staff
would
introduce
themselves
with
Kimberly.
C
G
I
I
A
Have
five
members
present
and
that
is
more
than
a
quorum,
so
we'll
proceed
tonight.
The
first
item
of
business
is
public
comments,
so
this
is
for
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda.
So
if
you
want
to
talk
to
us
about
something
in
general,
about
preservation
or
the
city
well
related
to
preservation,
please
please
come
on
up
and
we'll
entertain.
Those
comments
see
no
one
rise.
I'll
move
on
to
the
review
and
approval
of
the
minutes.
A
On
page
three,
the
next
last
paragraph
I
think
that
that's
not
exactly
what
you
said,
I
I
remember.
The
discussion
was
whether
or
not
we
could
approve
one
sign
the
pendant,
but
for
the
one
sign
on
the
building
but
delay
the
other
one
or
continue
the
second
one
and
I
believe
he
told
us
we
could
not,
because
it
was
one
application.
That's
got
I.
F
J
A
A
A
A
F
Thank
you.
This
is
a
quasi
judicial
proceeding
where
the
Heritage
Preservation
Board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
constitutional
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact,
two
previous
tablished
criteria
contained
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
F
The
Board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates,
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrate,
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
orrin
TSA's
and
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
F
A
F
You
swear
from
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
tonight
is
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
So
Swan
Inn
chairman
just
say
something
briefly:
okay,
so
night
on
their
first
application
is,
as
we
stated
previous
in
the
minutes,
the
applicant
elected
to
continue
it,
so
the
application
will
be
ready
tonight.
The
Board's
decision
is
to
be
made
only
on
the
testimony
evidence
that
you
hear
tonight.
G
G
One
sign
will
advertise
Neptune,
lounge
and
one
sign
will
advertise
Neptune
Cyclery.
Both
signs
are
internally
lit,
pre
rehabilitation,
photographs
from
the
90s
provide
no
evidence
of
original
signage.
If
proposed
signs
are
approved,
the
building
facade
will
only
be
altered
to
the
extent
necessary
to
install
the
signs.
The
proposed
science
conformed
to
all
requirements
of
the
land
development
code
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
application
for
one
new
sign
for
Neptune
lounge
and
one
new
sign
for
Neptune
Cyclery.
The
applicant
is
responsible
for
obtaining
all
required,
permitting
I.
A
A
K
But
for
the
last
few
years
I
have
volunteered
to
try
to
help
our
merchants
if
they
want
to
fix
up
their
stores
and
take
advantage
of
the
CRA
grant,
because
they
were
very
reluctant
reluctant
to
try
to
do
any
permitting
I
mean
a
lot
of
people,
don't
even
want
to
get
involved
and
go
down
to
the
city,
and
it's
worked
pretty
good.
We've
been
able
to
do
a
lot
of
revisions.
This
is
an
example
this
this
gentleman
came
to
me.
K
He
owns
the
building
as
well
as
being
the
merchant
and
he's
been
there
for
a
very
long
time
and
he
he
said.
Somebody
told
me
that
you
might
help
me
with
my
signs.
I
said
sure,
which
is
what
I
do
and
I
volunteer
for
this
I.
Don't
do
that
I!
Don't
get
paid
for
this
so
and
he
was
all
excited.
The
first
time
he's
ever
asked
the
city
or
worked
with
the
city
to
do
anything
and
we've
encouraged
him
to
participate,
join
the
Merchants
Association.
K
He
was
one
of
the
gentlemen
who
has
recently
jumped
in
to
participate
in
a
new,
a
new
event.
That's
coming
it's
a
music
event
he's
working
with
the
group
of
people
and
the
bands
that
are
going
to
bring
this
event
to
tarpon
springs
in
the
old
train
station.
So
he
his
enthusiasm
was
great
and
and
in
the
beginning
we
we
worked
with
Michelle
to
figure
out
what
our
criteria
was.
K
He
came
up
with
a
sign
originally
for
the
Neptune
lounge
that
I
wasn't
very
excited
about
and
it
and
it
come
to
be
that
Michelle
wasn't
very
excited
about
it
and
said
it
probably
wouldn't
be
as
appropriate
to
make
everyone
like
it.
So
we
went
back
to
him.
It's
not
what
he
wanted,
but
he
made
changes
came
up
with
something
that
I
loved
I
thought.
This
is
really
great.
Why
didn't
we
start
here?
So
he
did
do
that,
but
and
then
his
bike
sign.
K
K
We
came
before
last
month
and
the
hope
was
that
we
would
make
make
the
sign
design
better,
but
it's
really
not
a
design.
It's
just
a
straightforward
bikes
and
I
went
back
to
the
applicant
and
I'm.
Sorry.
He
didn't
want
to
change
it,
which
would
maybe
have
made
everybody
happier,
but
he
said
he
complied
with
the
requirements.
He
loved
the
the
concept
and
he
didn't.
He
didn't
want
to
detract
from
the
Neptune
sign,
which
does
have
a
funky
little
design.
K
He
said,
then,
if
he
put
something
different
over
on
his
bikes,
he
said
it's
just
conflicting
and
they're.
Both
mine
I
want
to
keep
one
a
little
more
interesting
and
the
other
one
very
simple.
I
can't
argue
with
him
about
that.
So
he
I
said
you
won't
make
any
changes.
I
even
had
ideas,
I'd
gone
on
there
to
come
up
with
stuff,
no
way.
So
he
said
please
go
again
and
try
to
express
my
my
what
I
would
like
to
do.
He
doesn't
want
to
conflict
the
science
he
just
wants
them.
K
Do
design
work,
ID,
I'm,
a
home,
stager
I,
don't
always
like
what
my
clients
choose.
I,
don't
even
always
like
what
the
merchants
choose.
The
I
might
have
chose
something
different
and
but
but
it's
not
my
store
and
if
they're
complying
and
they're
in
love
with
it
and
they're.
So
happy
this
is
their
store
and
we
want
more
merchants
to
come
forward.
I
mean
really
it's
been.
K
It's
been
like
dragging
people
to
this
position,
so
I'm
just
asking
that
maybe
we
could,
if
we're,
if
we
are
complying,
if
we
could
allow
this
gentleman
to
have
the
signs
that
he
created
because
there
it's
not
like
it's
obnoxious
or
anything,
it's
just
it's
just
very
simple
and
very
straightforward,
so
I'm
hoping
you
will
consider
letting
this
this
be
accepted.
Thank
you.
Unless
you
have
any
questions,
I.
A
D
K
D
K
They
call
them
I,
think
they
call
them
channel
letters
I
mean
somebody
might
know
more
about
that
than
I
do
but
they're
just
considered
to
be
very
simple
channel
letters
and
they
will
be
I
think
they
will
be
dark
black
in
the
daytime
and
they
will
be
white
at
night.
I.
Don't
know
how
they
do
that,
but
so.
A
E
F
E
E
A
And
maybe
this
is
for
the
applicant
or
for
the
staff
I'm
in
the
the
sign
for
the
Neptune
lounge.
It
specifically
states
that
it's
12
and
1/2
square
feet
and
surface
area
which
I
assume
meets
the
city
code,
the
bike
shop
with
the
letters
there's
no
Mac,
there's
no
size
stated
in
the
staff
report.
Did
you
say
what
the
size.
G
G
A
L
My
name
name
and
address
my
name
is
Costa
vatikiotis,
538,
West,
Cedar,
Street,
tarpon
springs,
I,
wasn't
going
to
say
anything
but
I
know
Eddy,
Mullaly
and
I
was
city
manager
and
city
engineer
double-headed
as
that
when
he
started
his
business
when
he
built
when
he
purchased
the
buildings
from
a
family.
That
I
knew
as
well
and
I.
Don't
know
it's
not
in
the
staff
report,
but
he
worked
hard.
L
L
The
trail
was
under
construction
at
that
time
through
Tarpon
Springs,
and
he
was
very
upset
because
he
thought
he
would
lose
his
historic
status.
So
we
worked
with
him
and
I
think
we
gave
him
72
hours
to
put
the
wall
back
up
as
it
was.
Originally,
there
was
no
window
in
it
or
anything
like
that.
He
did
that
and
I
think
he's
run.
A
very
nice
business
he's
been
a
very
large
asset
to
the
community,
especially
a
down
town
over
the
past
20
years
and
he's
he's.
A
K
A
A
I'll
make
the
same
comments.
I
did
before
I.
Don't
think
that
ladders
channel
are
a
design
or
are
they
clearly
are
assigned
because
they
advertise
something
but
I
think
in
a
design
review
district,
which
is
what
this
is
I,
don't
think
that
they're
I
don't
think
they're
consistent
with
the
building
I,
don't
think
they
add
to
the
historic
district,
so
I'm
I
think
the
other
sign
is
great.
The
Neptune
lounge
sign
but
I'm,
not
in
favor
of
the
bikes
sign
for
the
reasons
I
stated
and
I.
Guess
then
my
question
to
mr.
C
One
question
I'm
not
really
sure
if
it
goes
board,
but
is
there
anything
that
says
that
we
have
the
power
to
do
artistic
design
in
that,
because
everything
that
I
read
and
everything
that
I
saw
in
research
I
can't
see
why
we
couldn't
accept
that
sign.
So
I'm
wanting
to
know
what
where's
the
guideline
that
says
if
it
meets
the
dimensions,
it
has
to
be
a
certain
artistic
design.
Well,
that.
A
C
E
A
B
D
That
happen
over
my
residency
term
of
residency
here
in
Tarpon,
and
it's
wonderful
from
the
times
of
that
bar
on
the
corner.
It's
now
current
to
what
we
are
today
is
wonderful.
I
think
this
building
is
a
really
nice-looking
facade
to
it.
The
Neptune
lounge
sign
is
a
very
unique
sign
with
the
circle
and
the
banding
I.
Think
that's
great.
Looking
at
the
design
of
just
letters
of
the
BI
ke
s
is
there
called
an
architectural
world
marquee
letters
and
then
inherently
are
a
design
in
their
own
right.
D
A
A
A
C
I
G
Application
1855
is
a
request
to
construct
a
two-story
addition
onto
the
rear
elevation
of
the
single-family
home
at
119
South
Spring
Boulevard,
a
contributing
structure.
The
proposed
addition
totals
294
square
feet
with
147
square
feet
on
each
floor.
The
intention
is
to
minimize
the
visual
impact
on
the
historic
structure
while
making
space
for
the
family
working
to
preserve
this
home
for
future
generations.
G
The
proposed
addition
is
integrated
into
the
existing
structure
and
is
intentionally
subordinate
and
scale
and
massing.
The
proposed
147
square
feet
per
floor
enlarges.
The
footprint
of
the
home
by
less
than
15%
neighboring
contributing
buildings
are
larger
than
the
subject
property
and
the
rhythm
of
the
district
is
not
impacted.
All
of
the
materials
proposed
are
purposefully,
simple
in
style
and
application
consistent
with
the
Depression
era,
architecture
of
the
residence.
The
proposed
addition
is
designed
to
match
the
style
of
the
original
structure
and
does
not
destroy
any
existing
distinctive
historic
features.
G
The
proposed
addition
meets
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
for
rehabilitation
and
guidelines
for
rehabilitating
historic
buildings.
This
project
will
require
a
variance
from
the
land
development
code,
which
requires
a
5-foot
minimum
side
yard
in
the
r60
zoning
district.
The
existing
structure
is
non-conforming
with
a
three
and
a
half
foot
side
yard,
and
the
proposed
addition
is
designed
to
work
with
not
detract
from
the
original
structure.
All
other
requirements
of
the
code
and
the
Comprehensive
Plan
are
in
compliance.
G
Staff,
recommends
approval
of
the
application
for
a
two-story
addition,
approximately
294
total
square
feet
on
the
rear
of
the
subject
property.
As
described
in
this
report,
the
applicant
is
responsible
for
obtaining
a
variance
to
the
minimum
yard
and
the
applicant
is
responsible
for
obtaining
all
required
building.
Permit.
M
M
So
we
had
originally
planned
to
do
this
two
years
ago,
two
and
a
half
years
ago,
and
just
do
the
upstairs
and
we
had
an
approval
from
the
board
at
that
time,
and
then
we
went
to
fine
contractors
and
kind
of
got
a
sticker
shock
and
the
last
contractor
we
got
said
why?
Don't
you
just
enclose
the
downstairs
because
then
you'll
get
its?
It
won't
cost
much
more
and
you'll
get
twice
the
space,
so
we
spent
some
time.
We've
lived
in
the
house
for
years
now
and
we
feel
like.
M
A
N
N
Real
second
bathroom
and
say
we
decide
were
too
big
for
this
house
and
we
wanted
to
sell
it.
I,
don't
know
what
we
would
do.
We'd
have
to
completely
do
something
to
that
bathroom
either
cannibalized
part
of
the
already
small
kitchen
or
unless
we
had
an
addition.
Of
course,
we
wouldn't
have
that
problem.
A
A
M
E
A
A
G
Application
1844
is
a
request
by
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
to
replace
all
thirty-eight
windows
with
historically
appropriate
aluminum,
clad
wood
replacement
windows
at
101,
South,
Pinellas
Avenue,
a
contributing
structure,
project
administration,
department,
director,
Bob
Robertson,
will
discuss
the
professional
window
assessment
report
dated
February
22nd
2018
momentarily
overall
building.
Longevity
is
the
overarching
concern
for
the
Tarpon
Springs
cultural
center
as
our
historic
City
Hall,
a
prominent
building
on
the
main
thoroughfare
through
the
district
and
home
to
future
cultural
exhibits
and
activities
for
our
community
and
our
visitors.
G
The
building
where
it
is
sited
is
a
critical
resource
for
future
generations
to
connect
to
Tarpon
Springs.
There
is
not,
nor
is
it
anticipated.
There
will
be
capacity
to
properly
maintain
historic
wooden
windows
on
a
recurring
schedule
or
even
during
some
emergency
events.
It
is
through
this
holistic
lens.
The
staff
recommends
approval
for
the
window,
replacement
for
all
thirty-eight
windows.
G
The
applicant
will
be
responsible
for
obtaining
all
required
permits
and
the
applicant
shall
maintain
at
least
one
best
example
of
an
original
window
in
its
entirety
as
a
permanent
exhibit.
This
exhibit
should
include
documentary
and
pictorial
evidence
of
the
window
replacement
as
part
of
the
overall
building
rehabilitation
related
to
previously
approved
certificate
of
approval,
17
144.
A
G
G
D
G
I
have
very
little
knowledge
of
that
project.
Actually,
there
are
probably
other
people
here
who
can
answer
more
about
it.
I
know
that
there
was
window
film
applied
during
that
time.
I
think
that
there
was
window
film
applied
during
that
time,
for
the
solar
heat
gain
I'm,
not
sure
everything
that
was
done.
G
D
You
know
if
there's
a
report
or
any
evidence
of
yearly
inspections
of
that
building,
what
I'm
getting
at
is
in
1987.
The
building
was
completely
renovated
from
my
understanding
and
now
we're
using
evidence
of
termite
damage,
lack
of
maintenance
as
a
reason
to
potentially
remove
all
of
the
historic
nature
of
these
openings
and
I'm
having
some
trouble
with
that
so
I'm
trying
to
just
trying
to
put
it
on
record.
A
A
O
Me
yes
good
evening:
I'm
Bob,
Robertson
I'm,
the
project
administration
department,
director
and
for
the
city,
I
work
for
the
city
and
I'm
representing
the
city
for
this
application.
As
Michels
report
states
were
here
tonight
seeking
a
certificate
of
approval
for
a
recommendation
to
replace
the
windows
at
the
cultural
center
with
wind
load
and
impact
rated
historically
accurate,
replicas
replicate
windows
and
just
in
quick
summary
back
in
January,
the
city
requested
this
board's
approval
of
several
restoration
and
repair
activities.
I
won't
go
through
the
list.
O
O
At
that
time,
board
members
felt
that
detailed
information
supporting
a
recommendation
to
replace
the
windows
had
not
been
provided.
So
since
that
meeting
a
detailed
window
condition
assessment
addressing
each
of
the
thirty-eight
window,
windows
individually,
has
been
conducted
by
atelier
architecture
and
vivian.
Salah
goes
here
tonight
to
answer
him
questions
about
that
report.
If,
if
needed,
a
copy
of
the
full
assessment
report
and
staff
memo
suffering
summarizing,
those
conclusions
of
that
report,
along
with
other
supporting
documents,
was
included
in
your
backup
for
this
agenda
item.
O
So
a
quick
snapshot
of
some
of
the
information
of
that
report.
I'll
read
through
a
little
bit
here.
Each
of
the
38
windows
at
the
cultural
center
was
thoroughly
evaluated,
based
on
several
factors,
including
window
operability,
termite
damage,
wood,
rot,
glazing,
compound
and
glass
condition.
The
condition
of
the
frames
sill
and
caulking
and
more
each
window
was
given
a
condition
rating,
ranging
from
very
poor,
poor,
fair,
good
or
very
good.
O
13
of
those
38
were
classified
as
spare.
Seventeen
were
classified
as
poor
and
eight
or
classified
as
very
poor.
No
windows
were
classified
as
good
or
very
good,
so
of
the
38
windows.
25
received
a
poor
or
very
poor
rating.
That's
65%
of
the
windows
so
again
we're
here
tonight
seeking
a
certificate
of
approval
and
again
I'm
here
for
questions
Vivian's
here
and
mr.
function.
Public
works
director
is
also
here.
A
O
He
has
started
putting
together
a
plan
to
do
that
in
which
we'll
look
at
these
things
annually
and
come
up
with
a
list
of
items
that
nummy
need
to
be
addressed
and
hopefully
start
scoping
out
some
of
the
work
on
a
little
bit
more
regular
basis,
I
think
right
now,
it's
mostly
on
a
responsive
need.
There's.
P
A
P
It
has,
but
we
started
this
process
back
in
2005
with
the
the
original
director
of
that
department,
looking
at
back
in
2005-2006
to
start
doing
some
repairs
on
to
it,
hopefully
that,
within
a
few
years
after
that,
what
you
get
all
this
work
done,
it's
been
a
lot
long
process.
Then
we
would
liked
what.
P
Were
some
door
replacements?
There
was
the
rebuilding
of
the
clock
tower
internally.
There
were
some
issues
with
that
there
was
some
ceiling
repairs
done
inside
we've
had
court
the
windows
a
number
of
times
this
general
maintenance.
They
tried
to
keep
any
infiltration
of
moisture
that
work
was
done.
I.
A
P
A
regular
basis
when
we
feel
we
need
it
that
come
up
in
the
original
discussions,
what
we
thought
was
putting
all
the
work
in
the
rebuilding
that
the
building
are.
We
conditioning
it
at
the
time
we're
gonna
weren't,
going
forward
with
it
cuz
we're
hoping
that
the
process
of
rebuilding
would
take
quicker.
You.
A
D
There
is
no
line
item
or
budget
for
any
of
those
things
in
this
city.
Staff
actually
stated
in
the
letter
back
to
me
was
that
we
don't
have
time
to
go
out
looking
for
extra
work.
I
also
bet
with
Asuman
and
with
this
city
manager,
who
confirmed
the
result
of
that
city
record
of
that
records,
request
that
there
is
no
documented
inspections
on
our
buildings,
yearly
that
there
is
no
maintenance
record
for
any
of
the
buildings
and
that
when
the
air
filters
are
replaced
on
a
60
day
basis.
D
Whoever
replaces
the
air
filters
at
that
time
will
notify
somebody
at
the
city
if
they
recognize
something
that
needs
to
be
done
to
that
effect.
There
was
also
no
routine
or
comprehensive
inspection
done
of
any
of
the
buildings
following
Hurricane
Emma.
So
I'm
a
little
bit
confused
on
your
testimony
this
evening
from
what
I've
already
been
told
by
the
city
manager
directly
and
from
a
private
meeting
with
the
gentleman
I
just
stuffed
up
prior
to
you,
so
I
don't
think.
We've
maintained
this
building,
or
this
is
just
questions
for
you.
D
So
there
is
no
termite
reports.
There
was
no
termite
treatment.
The
building
was
restored
in
1987
back
to
it's,
as
close
as
could
be
his
original
condition,
and
since
1987
we've
allowed
the
wood
around
the
clock
tower
to
deteriorate
and
fall
off.
We've
allowed
termites
to
infest
the
building
and
we've
allowed
water
damage
to
destroy
the
windows,
and
now
we're
asking
for
our
lack
of
diligence
to
wholesale
a
rip
out
the
windows
that
we
let
deteriorate.
So
that's
my
opinion.
A
First
of
all,
I
would
say
that
price
is
really
not
the
criteria
by
which
we
make
a
decision.
Although
there's
some,
there
is
some
language
in
the
design
guidelines
about
something
is
not
economically
feasible.
So
I
assume
this
is
your
attempt
to
respond
to
that
issue.
My
question
on
option
number:
seven,
which
is
we're
complete
replacement
with
historically
accurate
replicas,
but
it
gives
a
cost,
but
the
cost
in
the
notes.
It
says
and
I
believe
this
applies
to
all
seven
options.
O
A
I
I
A
O
A
Then,
on
number
7
you're
going
to
have
complete
replacement,
you
only
included
the
cost
of
the
window
and
you
have
a
much
more
higher
cost
to
put
that
window
in,
because
you're
gonna
have
to
do
other
adjustments
to
the
frame
to
the
to
the
where
the
window
sits
to
the
building
to
be
able
to
accommodate
that
new
window.
And
you
haven't
accommodate
that
in
your
top
right.
Vivian.
O
Did
look
at
those
numbers
and
I
did
talk
to
her
about
that
I
think
the
idea
is,
as
I
said,
the
work
required
to
take
a
window
out
and
put
it
back
in
is
gonna,
be
the
same.
Obviously,
when
you
take
the
window
out
and
try
to
restore
one,
that's
going
to
be
more
expensive.
So
that's
what
that
number
is
the
101
400
Vivian
did
the
cost
estimate.
We
can
talk
to
her
about
some
of
the
details
if
you
want,
but,
as
you've
said,
the
cost
isn't
really
really
that
important.
O
A
O
A
O
A
A
O
O
A
O
A
G
G
We
don't
necessarily
have
a
historic
preservationist
on
staff,
nor
do
we
anticipate
having
a
historic
preservationist
on
staff,
so
this
is
something
that
is
a
little
bit
specialized
and
whether
or
not
we
really
truly
have
the
capacity
as
a
city
to
to
properly
maintain
wooden
windows
is
questionable
based
on
past
performance.
So
that's
what
I
mean.
A
D
D
Since
we
are
in
record,
it
is
important
for
it
to
be
on
record
that
you
know
how
this
building
got,
to
the
condition
that
it's,
and
so
thank
you
for
your
tolerance
of
that
and
I
am
happy
that
an
outcome
of
that
is
that
the
city
manager
has
commissioned
you
to,
on
a
regular
basis,
put
together
a
maintenance
go
for
our
buildings
and
for
routine
checks
of
them.
So
I'm
very
happy
to
hear
that
that
is
the
new
way
we'll
be
doing
things
as
a
city.
D
O
A
Had
some
questions
for
mr.
Logue
I,
imagine
the
board
does
too,
but
I
would
just
some
time
ago.
I
want
to
say
maybe
at
least
five
years
ago.
Maybe
ten
I
became
aware
that,
because
I'm
a
happened
to
be
a
member
of
the
Florida
Trust
Historic
Preservation
Florida
trusts
paid
a
consultant
to
develop
a
computer
program
that
would
help
you
I
help
a
person
identify
the
types
of
maintenance
that
need
to
be
done,
based
on
the
type
of
building,
whether
it's
wood,
fraying
where's
brick.
A
Perhaps
you
know
about
this
in
Salado,
but
I
I,
remember
seeing
that
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
if
it's
a
commercial
application
that's
available,
but
it
might
be,
it
was
specifically
tailored
to
historic
buildings,
as
opposed
to
you
know
non
historic,
so
might
be
something
you
could
look
into.
That
might
give
you
a
framework
to
develop
that
maintenance
schedule,
because
there
are
some
other
historic
buildings
left
in
this
town,
namely
the
train
station
is
one
the
old
library
is
another.
A
A
It
seems
to
me
that
buildings
that
are
listed
individually
on
the
national
historic,
but
should
be
treated
differently
than
a
city
building
in
this,
and
just
for
the
record.
This
building,
this
old
City
Hall,
is
individually
listed
on
the
National
Register
because
of
its
individual
importance
to
them.
A
Sorry
I
have
a
few
and
I'm.
You
used
a
rating
schedule
of
basically
1
to
5
or
a
very
good
good,
bear
or
I
mean
very
poor.
Sorry,
you
need
to
celebrate
on
the
distinction
between
a
three
like
a
C,
I
guess
the
fair,
and
what
moves
it
into
the
poor
or
very
poor
category.
What
what?
What
is
it
about
the
window
itself
that
moves
it
into
that
category?
It.
Q
Q
Q
Of
the
current
building
code
as
well,
and
when
we
referred
back
to
the
building
code
prior
codes
exempt
historic
windows
from
having
to
meet
any
of
the
wind
loading
and
impact
resistant
criteria.
If
you
were
restoring
the
window,
you
could
restore
it
in
place
without
having
to
meet
any
of
that
criteria.
The
new
2017
Building
Code
has
altered
that
criteria
to
the
effect
that
if
you
restore
the
window,
which
you
still
can
do,
you
must
then
additionally
provide
some
kind
of
hurricane
protection
for
that
window.
Q
The
hurricane
protection
at
the
second
floor
level
of
any
building
must
be
a
permanent
installation
or
can
be
applied
to
the
window
from
the
inside
of
the
building
and
would
not
require
anyone
to
get
on
two
ladders
or
scaffolding.
In
order
to
install
the
window
protection,
it's
the
the
code,
you
and,
and
believe
me,
we
are
preservationist
at
heart.
We
walk
the
walk,
we
talk
it.
Q
Q
Granted
that
the
window
film
today
is
is
technically
a
better
product.
It
would
windows
that
our
true
divided
light
are
again
not
protected
from
impact
resistance
or
the
or
because
the
original
casement
around
the
windows
was
not
installed.
Of
course,
pursuant
to
the
manner
of
fastening
that
one
would
do
today,
based
on
the
code
requirements.
Q
A
Q
The
storm
window
is
simply
a
single
pane
of
glass
to
which
one
could
apply
muntins
to
and
and
we
would,
if
that
was
an
option
chosen,
we
would
opt
to
do
it
only
at
the
meeting
rail
so
that
there
would
not
be
a
visual
distortion
of
the
window
pattern
underneath
it.
The
storm
windows
on
the
second
floor
would
have
to
be
a
permanent
installation
on
the
ground
in
order
to
meet
the
code.
The
exterior
storm
window.
A
Q
Q
It
wouldn't
meet
the
wind
loading
because
it's
simply
an
applied
element
to
the
exterior
of
the
window
within
the
casement
and
it
would,
and
according
to
the
National,
the
National
Park
Service
preservation
brief.
They.
There
was
an
excerpt
in
my
report
from
that
briefed
on
storm
windows
and
that
can
be
made
of
wood,
aluminum,
vinyl
or
plastic.
Q
Q
It's
clear
glass:
it
could
be
loi
so
that
it
would
deter
the
ultraviolet
penetration
into
the
building,
which
is
the
source
of
the
deterioration
of
the
interior
finishes,
but
it
can
be
applied
with
low
E
and
have
an
impact
glass
in
it.
It
just
would
not
necess
it
couldn't
be
rated
for
the
wind
impact.
A
Q
Window
that
would
look
the
same
as
the
exterior
storm
window,
and
it
would
simply
be
it
would
allow
for
additional
protection
from
the
air
infiltration.
The
the
issue
with
the
interior
storm
window
for
lack
of
a
better
or
I
guess
an
interior
thermal
protection
is
how
they
refer
to
it.
Is
that
there
that
moisture
collects
in
between
because
of
the
differential
in
the
air
temperatures
the
existing
window
and
the
interior
Thermal
window
would
create
an
environment
for
condensation
within
the
to
within
the
two
panes
of
glass.
A
A
A
Q
No
in
note
that
the
glass
none
of
the
glass
is
completely
broken
out
of
any
of
the
windows,
many
of
the
panes
appear
to
have
been
replaced
over
time,
because
it's
not
the
original
wavy
glass
any
longer.
Some
of
the
panes
were
replaced
with
plastic
like
a
polyurethane
material
and
the
the
window.
Panes
were
cracked
in
most
of
the
windows.
As
I
can
recall,
there
was
just
perhaps
one
pane
in
each
of
the
windows
at
which
a
broken
pane
of
glass
was
identified.
The
broken
glass
was
not
extensive
at
all.
Well,.
Q
N
A
Q
A
A
Q
Here
at
the
the
earlier
meeting
earlier
in
the
year
and
and
we
did
not
contact,
we
didn't
contact
the
window
company
to
provide
that
sample
again
for
this
hearing,
because
it
from
our
perspective,
because
it
had
been
here
before
and
from
their
perspective,
I
think
they
they
didn't.
Think
of
it.
I
don't
know.
A
Mr.
parez
is
probably
gonna
tell
me
is
that
we
are
only
supposed
to
be
considering
what's
going
on
in
this
meeting.
If
we
I
mean
January
was
a
few
months
ago.
So
it's
a
little
difficult
to
remember
all
the
details
of
that
particular
window
and
I
really
I.
Do
appreciate
your
verbal
explanation
of
the
other
things,
but
it
would
have
been
nice
to
see
these
storm.
Q
A
A
J
Good
evening,
madam
chairman
and
board
members
need
a
produce,
901
Bayshore
Drive
I
was
going
to
wait
to
the
very
last,
but
I
am
appalled
that
we
are
here
again
to
protect
a
jewel
of
tarpon
spring
of
historic
preservation.
I
am
appalled
that
after
I
left
office
in
the
late
90s
and
mr.
vadik
Otis
left
a
city
manager
that
all
maintenance
stopped
on
our
historic
preservation,
buildings
and
the
Safford
house.
I
am
appalled
that
the
professionalism
of
supposedly
said
of
our
city
manager
didn't
cover.
J
Establishments
of
our
city
in
line-
and
we
have
a
jewel
here
and
that's
why
you're
on
this
more
to
protect
what
we've
got?
Evidently,
there
is
no
respect
or
concern
about
what
the
history
of
this
city
is
about.
They
can
say
they
respect
it,
but
when
you
let
it
go
that
long
without
any
maintenance
or
termite
protection.
What
does
that
tell
you?
You
have
money
for
everything
else
in
this
city,
but
you
don't
have
money
for
your
historic
homes
and
buildings
in
this
town.
Every
community
has
historic
preservation,
some
feel
very
strong
about
it.
J
Some
don't.
We
feel
very
strong
about
our
historic
preservation
in
this
and
city
of
tarpon
springs,
and
we
want
it
to
stay
the
same
as
it
is.
Please
do
not
change
these
windows.
Have
the
city
preserve
and
repair
what
we've
got
there?
Let's
make
our
city
buildings
and
the
Safford
house
the
same
as
it
should
be:
let's
not
lose
what
we
have
no
maintenance
records
when
I
called
up
here,
I
went
to
to
the
gift
shop
over
there
and
I
saw
the
condition
inside
and
outside
and
when
I
came
to
the
city.
J
Before
the
last
hearing
I
was
told,
there
was
no
maintenance,
I
got
a
letter
from
and
I
didn't
bring
it
I
can't
find
it
that
they
didn't
have
a
timeline
of
maintenance
on
all
our
historic
buildings
and
tarpon
springs,
and
when
you
think
from
nineteen
from
2005
and
2006
up
to
today,
do
you
ignore
your
home
that
long?
No-
and
this
is
our
home
energy.
J
J
Remember
once
you
take
it
out,
you
can't
replace
it
once
you
lose,
you
can't
replace
it.
We
are
a
proud
community.
We
worked
very
hard
for
historic
preservation
in
Tarpon
many
many
months.
Citizens
worked
very
hard
and
they
feel
that
they
they
have
had.
The
city
has
turned
their
back
on
him
or
what's
happening
now
and
the
termites
shame
on
us.
We
termite
our
properties,
our
homes.
We
take
care
of
everything
they
can
do
it.
We
can.
It
doesn't
cost
that
much
to
termite
our
buildings
and
our
homes.
J
L
Costa
Verde
5:38,
West,
Cedar,
Street,
tarpon
springs.
I
just
had
a
couple
of
comments.
I
wanted
to
make,
but
to
be
honestly,
there's
been
a
couple
of
curveballs
thrown
by
the
staff
tonight
now,
I'm,
not
sure
how
to
react
to
it.
As
I
mentioned
to
you
earlier,
a
city
manager
and
double
headed
a
City
Engineer
in
addition
to
any
mullaly's
on
the
Neptune
lounge
I
was
responsible
for
the
purchase
of
the
Sanford
house
and
getting
the
restoration
of
that
going.
L
The
City
Hall
restoration,
which
was
a
complete
restoration
where
the
windows
were
taken
out,
clean,
preserved
and
put
back
in
the
cultural
center.
That's
one
thing:
I
need
to
I'm
confused
over
and
then,
of
course,
the
Heritage
Museum.
We
converted
it
from
the
old
library
to
the
museum
that
it
is
now.
L
There
was
a
complete
renovation
in
1987
I'm,
not
going
to
dispute
that
there
may
have
been
at
some
point.
There
was
some
cultural
activities
there
that
were
introduced
a
movie
theater
at
the
one
end
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
I
can
assure
you
in
1990
when
I
was
sitting
mature,
we
did
a
ton
of
work
on
that
building,
I
mean
we
took
the
columns
down
refurbished
them,
put
them
back
up
whatever
windows
needed,
whatever
it
needed
to
be
done
to
the
windows
we
did.
Those
the
exterior
was
completely
painted
the
clock
mechanism.
L
L
I
I'm
just
a
little
bothered
by
that
activity
during
that
time
frame
not
being
mentioned
to
you
by
the
city
staff.
I.
Just
don't
understand
that
my
recollection
is
we
had
a
grant
for
that
money.
The
architect
of
record
my
recollection
was
able
on
Garcia,
which
was
a
Tampa
firm.
Jan
Abel
was
the
prime
architect.
She
has
passed
away
since
then
I
think
they
were
the
lead
architects
on
the
City
Hall
restoration
as
well.
L
At
one
time,
the
Cultural
Center
was
the
City
Hall.
The
fire
department
was
up,
the
South
End
and
the
police
department
was
at
the
north
end,
those
were
eliminated
and
then
I
guess
in
1987.
The
cultural
element
was
introduced
as
far
as
having
activities
there
and
I
understand
that
for
tonight's
purpose,
I've
read
the
engineering
report
RFP
that
was
sent
out
and
also
the
response
by
the
architectural
firm
I
believe
that's
who
it
was,
and
in
that
RFP
they
talked
about
the
windows.
L
L
First
I'd
like
to
say
and
I
think
everybody
said
this.
The
condition
of
the
cultural
center
is
simply
deplorable.
It
didn't
happen
like
that
overnight.
I
mentioned
something
to
city
commissioner
over
a
year
ago,
and
he
told
me
something
would
happen
this
past
December
and
it
didn't,
and-
and
here
we
still
are
I
appreciate
all
this
discussion
about
routine
maintenance
and
things
I
mean
you
don't
have
to
be
blind
to
understand
that
nothing
has
happened,
I
mean
I,
I,
don't
even
understand
where
preventive
maintenance
is
even
in
the
vernacular
here.
L
L
Mentioned
to
you,
we
did
to
the
cultural
center
in
the
1990s
I
wanted
to
mention
the
roof.
We
were
very
meticulous
in
preserving
the
building,
as
it
was
even
to
the
extent
that
the
roof
needed
repair
just
like
in
the
engineering
service
RFP.
They
want
to
examine
the
roof.
We
needed
repair
of
the
roof
back
at
that
time.
The
architect
of
record
did
their
research
I
guess
they
found
a
stamp
on
the
back
of
the
roof
tile
and
actually
discovered
that
it
was
made
in
a
quarry
in
Italy.
L
They
contacted
the
quarry,
and
lo
and
behold,
the
identical
tile
was
still
praying
produced
and
we
imported
that
to
make
the
repair
on
the
roof.
There
was
no
questions,
no
requests
to
change
the
roof
tile
to
replace
the
roof,
or
anything
like
that.
There
was
no
request
to
replace
windows
for
the
sake
of
energy
efficiency,
ease
of
maintenance.
That
sort
of
thing
we
simply
did
it.
L
The
other
thing
is
and
along
that
line,
I
want
to
mention
that
we
didn't
do
any
evaluation
on
the
windows.
I
I
mean
the
evaluation
here
that
was
done
and
presented
to
you.
The
bottom
line
on
that
is
the
windows
can
be
restored,
I,
don't
know
what
more
can
be
said,
I
mean
if
they
couldn't
be
restored,
then
that
would
be
something
but
from
what
I
see
is
option.
One
I
believe
is
a
complete
restoration.
It
gives
you
an
amount
and-
and
that's
great
I-
think
we
paid
49
thousand.
L
For
that
to
be
said,
we
didn't
do
that
back
in
the
1990's.
We
simply
did
what
we
needed
to
do
to
keep
the
windows
functional.
We
didn't
pay
anybody
to
tell
us
that's
what
we
needed
to
do
on
that
note.
I
really
call
into
question
the
I'm,
not
saying
that
that
the
architect
that
did
the
analysis
is
wrong
or
anything
like
that,
but
I.
L
It
just
doesn't
sit
well
with
me
that
there
isn't
a
provision
for
a
national,
a
building
on
the
National
Herot
National
Register,
that
there
isn't
some
provision
for
maintaining
the
windows
as
they
are,
regardless
of
whether
you
have
to
do
the
work
in
situ
or
remove
them
and
restore
them.
I've
looked
forward.
I
can't
find
it.
L
I
do
want
to
say
that,
on
a
personal
note,
we
recently
purchased
a
historic
bungalow
in
Greektown
that
was
built
in
1925
15
years
after
the
Cultural
Center
was
built.
It's
got
the
same
windows
I'd
like
to
say
the
identical
windows,
they're
six
foot
by
six,
but
it's
the
same
windows
lead
weights,
cords,
double
hung
and
I
will
tell
you.
My
wife
and
I
are
going
to
preserve
those
windows,
we're
not
going
to
restore
them.
It's
almost
silly
to
pay
X
amount
of
money
to
replace
a
window
for
the
purpose
of
ease
of
maintenance
and.
L
Energy
efficiency,
when
there's
so
much
maintenance,
it
has
to
be
done
to
the
rest
of
the
building
anyway,
number
two,
my
walls,
our
walls,
don't
have
any
insulation
in
them.
So
I,
don't
know
what
paying
thousands
of
dollars
to
restore
or
replace
windows
with
thermal
efficient
windows
is
going
to
bias
from
Duke
Energy,
not
unless
we
insulate
the
walls
as
well.
L
L
They
gave
you
an
amount
of
money,
there's
some
question
as
far
as
what
the
actual
cost
of
replacing
the
windows
would
be.
I
just
don't
understand
why
they
would
be
why
they
wouldn't
be
why
they
wouldn't
be
restored.
I,
don't
want
to
sound
like
I'm
lecturing
either,
but
I
do
want
to
say
something-
and
this
takes
me
back
to
my
city
manager
days.
L
That
you
is
a
Historic
Preservation,
Board
or
the
conscience
of
this
city
for
historic
preservation,
and
there
has
been
a
clear
tendency
to
move
towards
convenience,
ease
of
maintenance,
thermal
efficiency
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
the
only
thing
I
want
to
say
in
that
regard
is
I.
Believe
it's
your
job
to
keep
that
trend
in
check
and
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you're
doing.
I
know
your
volunteers
and
I
know
your
hearts
and
this
work
as
much
as
anybody
else
in
this
city.
So
thank
you
very
much.
R
Good
evening
my
name
is
Jody
Rubin
I'm
at
10:25
Eastern
Way
in
Orlando
kind
of
a
little
far
I
am
here
representing
the
Florida
Trust
for
Historic
Preservation.
It's
the
only
statewide
nonprofit
for
Historic
Preservation
in
our
mission,
is
to
protect
the
preservation
of
the
architectural,
historical
and
archaeological
heritage
of
Florida
through
advocacy,
education
and
stewardship.
We
advocate
for
legislation
that
preserves
the
historic
and
cultural
fabric
of
the
state
and
our
communities.
We
sometimes
mobilize
our
preservation
Network
to
take
action
and
pressing
preservation.
R
I
got
involved
in
the
construction
industry,
first
in
residential
work
and
then
in
all
types
of
construction,
but
historic
buildings
and
I've
been
involved
in
the
window:
restoration
business
for
the
last
nine
years,
so
pretty
pretty
focused
on
where
you
guys
are
so
I
actually
inspected
the
cultural
center
in
2013,
with
the
company
I
used
to
own
and
I
did
note.
Yes,
there's
some
rot
and
there's
some
termite
damage
and
there's
definitely
some
missing
glazing,
putty
and
some
broken
panes
and
went
back
there
again
today.
R
I'm
on
my
way
here
and
they're
still
not
very
pretty
to
look
at
that's
for
sure,
and
it's
mostly
because
there
hasn't
been
any
proper
maintenance.
There's
been
some
maintenance.
I
did
see
the
caulking
some
clear
caulk
on
the
inside
of
some
of
the
sashes
along
the
Mons
in
the
in
the
auditorium
area,
but
really
for
the
most
part,
there's
been
a
complete
lack
of
maintenance
on
those
sashes
and
the
whole
the
window
parts
completely.
However,
they
have
stood
withstood
that
neglect
for
decades,
and
here
we
are
they're
over
a
hundred
years
old
and
they're.
R
Repair
replacement
should
be
based
on
accurate
duplication,
substantiated
by
evidence
blob
of
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
so
the
report
says
that
they're
the
same
size,
style
and
color,
but
they're
aluminum,
clad,
and
so
we
have
a
clad
window.
The
proportions
actually
are
different
than
the
than
the
original
windows.
Actually,
the
I
looked
up
these
Marvin.
What
do
they
called
generation?
R
In
item
5,
the
fenestration
is
an
issue.
That's
talked
about
the
size
and
master
shape
of
the
building
shall
be
reflective
of
the
original
style
and
all
the
bits
and
pieces,
including
the
fenestration.
Again,
the
fenestration
will
be
different,
even
if
they
match
their
grill
patterns.
The
grilles
are
going
to
be
they're,
not
true,
divided
light,
and
so,
if
there
are
spacers
between
the
glass
you'll
be
able
to
see
those
because
they're,
usually
not
the
same
color
and
of
course
here
I
have
white
on
the
outside
and
dark
brown
on
the
inside.
R
So
you
know
what
color
does
a
space
our
end?
Up?
Being
or
there's
no
space
or,
and
then
it
just
looks
like
grilles
floating
in
space
as
you're
looking
at
the
building
obliquely
and
then
in
item
number
7,
distinctive
architectural
features
shall
be
repaired
rather
than
replaced
wherever
possible
architectural
details,
including
color
materials
texture,
you
know,
etc,
should
be
consistent
with
the
original
architectural
style
and
character.
Well
again,
you
know,
while
they
still
may
match
the
grill
pattern,
because
it's
metal,
they're,
clad
they
are
not
consistent.
R
Repair
is
always
the
preference
right
with
with
your
code.
Repair
is
always
a
preference,
and
you
know
that
it's
not
happening
in
this
particular
proposal.
So
as
far
as
compliance
goes
with
the
building
code,
actually
I
was
once
I
heard.
The
architect
say
that
the
new
code
doesn't
allow
or
requires
protection
on
the
upper
floors
for
debris
right.
Every.
I
R
Standards
should
be
repaired
not
too
replaced
and
if
they
are
replaced,
they
still
match
and
design
color,
texture
and
other
visual
qualities
and,
if
possible,
material.
There's
no
reason
you
can't
do
a
new
wood
window
there.
If
that
happens,
to
be
an
option
if,
for
some
reason,
it's
felt
that
restoration
is
impossible
quickly.
Looking
at
the
options
chart
that
we
have
referenced
already
a
couple
times,
the
restoration
of
product
costs
only
really
to
me
also
don't
make
a
lot
of
sense
either.
R
If
someone
offered
my
company
2,600
dollars
just
to
restore
a
pair
of
sashes,
you
better
believe
I'd
be
right
on
it.
That's
a
lot
of
money
versus
$2,700
for
an
impact
window
and
that's
just
the
material
cost.
So
if
if
the
windows
are
replaced,
okay,
the
impacts
actually
to
the
historic,
the
rest
of
the
historic
material
in
the
building
are
actually
quite
significant.
If
you
look
at
any
of
those
interior
shots
on
the
in
the
architects
report,
any
of
those
windows
you
can
see,
there's
a
pretty
extensive
interior
wood
trim.
R
So
in
order,
if
you
look
at
the
specs
for
doing
these
windows
in
order
to
do
these,
the
new
windows,
what
you
have
to
do
is
you
pull
off
the
molding
on
the
outside
of
the
window,
the
brick
mold?
It's
called
it's
right
around
the
edges
at
the
brick
and
the
sides
on
the
top,
and
then
you
would
take
off
all
the
interior
trim,
which
of
course
is
a
hundred
years
old
and
it's
either
Cypress
or
pine,
and
it's
brittle
and
hard,
and
you
start
pulling
out
nails
and
you're.
Just
it's.
R
You
can
have
to
replace
it
most
of
it.
So
you
have
to
pull
out
all
the
interior
trim
and
pull
out
the
window
unit
itself
dispose
of
it
the
window,
the
weights,
the
pulleys,
all
that
old
hardware
I'm
disposed
of
all
that
and
then
then
you
put
in
a
bucking
system
because
there's
a
weight
pocket
in
there.
R
That's
you
know
probably
three
four
inches
wide
on
each
side,
so
you
put
in
a
whole
new
bucking
system
you
put
in
the
new
window
and
then
jamb
extensions,
because
the
windows
only
what
probably
just
under
five
inches
deep
and
those
walls
are
with
probably
two
or
three
bricks,
deep
I.
Imagine
so
you
do
jamb
extension
and
then
you
have
to
remake
all
that
trim
and
stain
it
and
make
repairs
to
the
plaster
the
drywall
or
whatever's
in
there
and
protect
the
floors
and
everything
else.
R
R
So
I
know
that
you
all
are
a
certified
local
government
right
and
I.
Think
all
of
you,
or
most
of
you
know
what
that
is.
So
as
a
CLG
communities
like
tarpon
springs,
really
are
held
to
a
higher
standard.
You've,
you
have
to
adhere
to
a
set
of
federally
mandated
rules.
You
do
federal
reporting,
you
qualify
for
separate
pots
of
federal
money.
R
You
really
are
held
to
a
higher
standard,
so
a
city
on
property
should
really
undergo
best
practices
in
everything
that
some
best
practices,
Florida
Trust,
does
it
at
our
own
building
up
in
Tallahassee
and
the
city
should
do
it
as
well.
So
you
should
have
a
maintenance
plan
and
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
that
something
has
been
started.
It's
actually
a
very
good
preservation,
brief
that
the
National
Park
Service,
put
out
about
maintenance
plans,
and
this
board
should
really
be
an
advocate
for
the
building
which
retains
a
high
degree
of
its
architectural
integrity.
R
So
I
hope
today
that
you
would
vote
to
restore
the
windows.
Maybe
you
provide
some
other
type
of
protection
and
in
some
way
to
do
some
energy
efficiency
there
way
cheaper
ways
of
doing
it.
Rather
than
doing
a
storm
wind
or
an
insert,
you
know
things
like
solar
shades
things
like
that
to
help
keep
a
lot
of
the
heat
out
of
the
building,
but
there
are
certainly
ways
to
maintain
your
historic
appearance
and
character
of
your
building
and
still
go
closer
to
to
being
consistent
with
the
today's
Building
Code.
A
A
R
You
know,
painting
is
a
great
way
to
keep
damage
from
happening.
If
you
can,
you
know,
because
wood
moves,
it's
a
natural
material,
and
so,
if
it
moves
a
little
bit
and
it
opens
up
a
little
bit
of
a
gap,
then
water
will
come
in.
But
if
you
regularly
maintain
it
and
maintain
it
right,
not
just
you
know
slapping
a
lot
of
paint
on
it
and
they
could
be
maintained
either
in
place.
So
that
you
mean
you,
can
you
can
seal
them
in
place
and
it's
a
cultural
center?
R
I
D
A
D
D
D
S
Good
evening
my
name
is
John
Terry
panning,
22
North,
springboard,
D
I'd,
like
to
speak
to
you
from
a
couple
different
perspectives.
One
is
a
lifelong
City
resident
who
returned
home
from
college
and
started
by
an
old
buildings
in
the
downtown
and,
with
my
partner's
led
the
restoration
efforts
and
led
the
redevelopment
efforts
on
historic
buildings
and
I.
Can't
even
tell
you
how
many
thousands
of
square
feet
we
restored.
S
S
S
Also
I
was
the
president
of
the
Florida
Trust
for
Historic
Preservation
I
sat
on
their
boards
for
10
years,
I
hold
the
highest
award
in
the
state
of
Florida,
given
for
preservation
and
there's
not
too
many
people
who
hold
that
award
the
corraled
wine
heart
award
I
live
in
a
house,
it
was
built
in
1830,
1887
and
I.
Don't
have
a
consultant
that
comes
and
tells
me
when
to
scrape
and
sand
and
paint
a
window,
it's
kind
of
a
self-evaluation.
S
The
city
administration
should
be
cited
by
their
own
code
enforcement
boards
for
benign
neglect.
You
wouldn't
allow
a
homeowner
to
do
the
same
thing
in
the
National
Register
District
as
you're,
allowing
your
own
city
to
do
to
the
Old
City
Hall
I
mean
that
the
windows
don't
need
to
be
replaced.
They
need
to
be
restored.
It's
simple,
I've
done
a
lot
of
them
myself
and
I
can
tell
you
this.
A
F
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
with
a
Heritage
Preservation
Board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quadrille
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
establish
criteria
contained
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances
and
ordered
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
F
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
the
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates,
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances,
then
the
bore
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates,
the
appellants
have
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
Code
of
Ordinances
and
the
board's
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
Thank.
D
You
that
clarifies
a
few
things
for
me
as
far
as
the
application
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
slice
and
dice
it
and
different
points
to
be
made,
but
looking
at
the
the
given
duty
of
applying
what
was
presented
against
the
guidelines
I
unless
I'm
missing
them,
I,
don't
know
that
energy
efficiency
is
found
as
something
we're
supposed
to
take
into
consideration.
Ease
of
maintenance,
finance
or
hardship
or
wind
load
are
also
taking
all
of
those
things
out,
and
the
architects
said
that
the
windows
are
can
be
restored.
D
I
personally
find
my
legal
duty
to
deny
the
application
is
what
I'm
leaning
towards
and
if
the
Commission
wants
to
legislate
and
the
City
Commission
wants
to
take
this
as
an
appeal
and
approve
it.
That
would
be
their
thing,
but
that's
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
I
feel
like
we're
charged
to
review
what
was
presented
against
the
guidelines.
The
guidelines
say
you
know
that
we
restore
them
that
architects
said
they
can
be
restored.
D
A
That
is
not
their
position
and
I
agree
with
you
that
energy
efficiency
is
not
in
our
guidelines,
but
we
have
heard
tonight
from
an
expert,
miss
Rubin
who
I
would
definitely
put
as
an
expert
in
window
renovation
window,
restoration
in
the
historic
character,
based
on
her
experience
as
Orlando's
preservation
officer
in
her
job.
Today
she
has
told
us
that
they
can
be
restored.
A
A
C
I
had
a
question:
I
agree
with
you
on
the
restoration,
but
when
she
mentioned
the
code
I
think
maybe
we
need
to
see
some
other
options.
Maybe
the
Kevlar
and
some
of
the
other
things
that
will
not
damage
or
take
away
from
the
exterior
as
the
guidelines
say,
restore
it
to
where
it
should
be.
What
are
the
other
options?
Can
they
bring
that
board
the
Kevlar
any
other
ways
to
secure
it,
to
bring
it
to.
A
A
A
I
think
you
clarify,
so
we
cannot
make
a
motion
that
includes
one
of
the
other
options.
I,
don't
I,
don't
believe
so
I
mean
the
applicants
request
is
to
replace
the
thirty-eight
windows
within
their
saying
that
it
would
be
with
the
same
lights.
The
same
the
same
size
there,
the
custom
windows
to
match
the
existing
I.
Think
that's
the
application.
That's
before
us.
So
that's
what
we
need
to
vote
on
that.
F
H
Need
to
make
it
I
would
agree.
You
need
to
make
a
decision
on
on
that
thing,
but
that
does
not
mean
that
this
board
cannot
cannot
instruct
the
applicant
to
restore
the
way
to
restore
the
windows
of
that,
if
you
so
choose.
If
that,
if
you
feel
that
that's
the
position
that
this
board
feels
is
the
right
thing
to
do,
then
they
can
put
that
they
can
put
that
into
their
motion
and
an
act
on
that
I
mean
if
you're
going
to
require
restoration.
H
A
I
think
there
are
so
many
options
about
and
so
much
different
information
we've
heard
tonight
about
restoring
them
and
what
is
required
by
the
Building
Code.
Some
folks
are
saying:
it's
not
required.
The
other
person
is
saying
it
is
required.
There's
a
discussion
about
interior
panels
or
discussion
about
exterior
panels.
So
I,
don't
without
more
information.
I'm,
not
prepared
personally,
to
speak
to
that.
But
the
big
picture,
discussion
about
restore
versus,
replace
I
personally
prepared
to
make
a
decision
and
and
if
you,
the
board,
so
wishes
to
make
a
recommendation
after.
A
I
had
a
couple
other
comments
and
I
think
mr.
Bolton
touched
on
some
of
those
and
some
of
the
speakers
tonight
did
we
sometimes
I
think
we
interpret
tend
to
forget
we're
a
certified
local
government.
The
benefit
of
that
is
that
you're
eligible
for
a
separate
pot
of
money
for
grants
which
we
are
taking
advantage
of.
Hopefully,
we
will
be
awarded
a
grant
for
the
updating
and
design
guidelines,
but,
along
with
those
benefits,
comes
the
responsibility
to
hold
our
board
and
our
historic
design
guidelines
and
an
ordinance
to
a
higher
standard.
A
Additionally,
I
think
the
city-owned
building
the
City
needs
to
be
held
to
a
higher
standard.
How
can
we,
as
a
city
I'm
speaking
in
a
collective,
we
cuz
we're
all
the
city?
We
are
acting
as
a
city
board
tonight
the
city
owns
a
piece
of
property
and
the
city
is
going
to
take
the
not
the
best
practices,
the
less
appropriate
method
for
these
windows.
What
are
we
gonna
do
when
the
person
comes
to
us
next,
the
next
month
and
says
they
want
to
do
the
same
thing?
A
They
only
have
three
windows
they
want
to
take
out.
This
is
thirty-eight
windows.
Every
single
wildung
building
window
in
that
building
I
have
a
fun
with
that.
I
also
have
a
problem
that
the
lack
of
maintenance
by
the
owner,
the
city,
created
the
problem
that
we
are
here
for
today.
So
we
would
be
rewarding
bad
behavior
by
approving
a
renovation
I'm.
Excuse
me
a
replacement
and
the
fact
that
the
city's
the
city
staff
has
said
that
they
will
not
maintain
the
building
or
the
windows.
A
I
find
to
be
completely
appalling
and
I
cannot
imagine
that
that
is
the
policy
of
the
City
Commission
that
they're
not
going
to
maintain
those
windows.
That's
the
conversation
for
another
day
and
the
last
thing
I
would
say
to
the
staff,
and
perhaps
mr.
Roberson
is
not
aware.
I
know
our
staff
on
the
Preservation
Board
staff.
The
planning
staff
is,
there
are
major
grants
for
historic
buildings
that
the
minimum
grant
is
around
two
hundred
two
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
it's
a
rigorous
process.
A
It
is
a
competitive
process
and
it
is
subject
to
the
whims
of
the
legislature
every
year,
but
it's
been
pretty
successful
over
25
years
in
Florida,
in
renovating
major
buildings
and
in
fact,
I'm
pretty
sure
that
the
building
we're
talking
about
the
old
city
hall
when
it
was
renovated.
I
am
99%
sure
that
they
got
a
grant
from
the
state
to
do
that.
So
there's
that
option
to
do
that
again
if
the
city
would
pursue
that.
So
that's
all
I
have
to
say.
E
E
H
You
I
mean,
given
the
testimony
that's
been
given
here
tonight,
by
not
just
the
board,
but
also
by
the
the
citizens
that
have
been
here
tonight.
I
think
that
it's
justifiable
to
to
provide
that
just
in
case
this
application
moves
on
to
another
another
board,
so
that
you're
clear
that
you,
what
you're,
why
you
chose
to
you
know,
recommend
that
you're
clear
on
that
and
that
stuff.
That's
provided
in
your
record
for
your
minutes.
I.
H
Can
I
ask
just
one
question:
if
you're
going
to
go
down
that
route,
can
we
just
have
a
little
bit
of
a
conversation
about
what
you
are
looking
for
is
from
at
least
from
the
city
from
a
restoration
perspective,
what
types
of
options
are
you
looking
for
and
what
information
do
you
want
us
to
provide
so
that
we're
clear
when
we
leave
here
tonight?
Should
the
city
management
our
management,
decide
to
go
down
that
restoration
path?
We
need
to
bring
back.
A
A
I
I
A
F
A
The
concern
I
have
about
that
I'm,
you
know.
Certainly
I
want
to
do
what
the
board
wants
to
do
and
I'm
only
one
vote,
but
I
think
we
need
to
tread
lightly
about
if
we
say
big-picture
that
we
want
the
city.
Consider
restoration,
I
think
it's
premature
to
say
restoration
as
to
which
of
those
options,
because
there's
not
enough
information
here,
so
I
don't
and
Plus
that's
not
been
requested.
We
cannot
act
on
something
that
has
not
been
the.
D
A
A
E
H
D
A
A
And
I
guess:
that's
where
I,
the
only
where
I
have
some
concern,
because
I
I
don't
want
to
put
the
city
in
the
position
of
saying
that
it
doesn't
meet
the
building
codes.
I
I
would
prefer
if
we
don't
say,
option
one,
but
we
say
that
restore
the
windows
and
then,
if
the
city
wants
to
come
back,
the
applicant
wants
to
come
back
and
show
us
what
restore
means.
Specifically,
then
we
would
entertain.
A
A
D
E
A
L
I'm
listening
to
discussion,
I've
been
there
before
a
city
manager.
My
recommendation,
if
you
want
to
do
complete
restoration,
is
denied
two
through
seven,
because
if
you
don't
deny
two
through
seven
you're
going
to
leave
whatever
you
don't
deny
open
as
subject
interpretation-
and
you
could
be
very
well
back
here
again
with
another
application
and
approved
one
I,
don't
know
if
that
helps,
but
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
on
the
table.
Thank
you.
A
A
We
highly
recommend
restoration,
they
want
to
restore
them.
They're
gonna
have
to
meet
the
building
code.
They
got
to
show
us
something
new,
but
we
can
make
a
recommendation
about
what
we
think
would
be
appropriate,
rather
than
just
saying.
No
we're
saying
we
think
restoration
of
the
windows
would
be
the
better
solution.
A
So
with
all
that
said,
you
want
to
restate
your
motion.
I
make
a
motion
to
deny
I'll,
say:
options
2
through
7
and
restore
the
windows,
and
you
thinking
the
first
time
you
said
you
want.
You
recommend
that
they
use
an
experienced
contractor
in
old
buildings
and
old
windows.
Yes,
it's
my
belief.
If
you
go
that
route,
it's
gonna
answer.
F
A
D
I
E
A
A
A
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
A
Five
to
zero
and
I
hope
that
the
staff
will
convey
I
believe
the
minutes
should,
and
certainly
the
videotape
reflects
that
there
are
a
variety
of
reasons
cited
by
not
just
citizens
in
appearance
today,
but
by
the
staff
by
the
board
and
the
reasons
for
this.
It's
not
just
the
motion
but
there's
a
whole
group
of
documented
reasons
why
the
motion
was
made
and
why
it
was
approved.
This
way
and
I
hope.
A
G
I
G
G
Another
comment
is
a
thank
you
to
David
Bolton.
He
has
been
a
dedicated
member
of
the
Heritage
Preservation
Board
for
four
years
now.
He
has
been
a
servant
to
this
city
for
many
years
and
will
continue
to
be
a
servant
to
our
city
for
many
years,
and
we
appreciate
your
service
greatly.
This
is
his
last
meeting
tonight
and
he
will
be
missed.
A
I
have
two
things:
one
I
left
your
little
postcard
that
you
sent
out
very
positive
area:
Pete
celebrate
historic
preservation,
I
thought
that
was
great,
going
on
that
and
then
really
quickly.
I
passed
out
the
2018
public
hearing
scheduled
just
if
y'all
would
take
a
quick
peek
at
this.
Let's
decide
now
make
sure
that
none
of
these
dates
are
going
to
be
problematic
and
I'm,
specifically
looking
at
the
ones
around
July
and
September
the
holiday,
so
they're
meeting
in
July
scheduled
to
be
July
9th.
The
fourth
of
July
is
the
Wednesday
before
that.
A
A
A
D
Just
say
thank
you:
it's
been
a
great
season
on
the
board
and
I've
enjoyed
working
with
all
the
various
staff
that
have
come
through.
It's
been
very,
very
educational,
I'm,
a
lifelong
member
of
resident
of
Tarpon
and
do
plan
on
continuing
to
serve
in
other
places
where
opportunities
may
arise
and
want
to.
Thank
you
also,
I
being
of
course,
keeping
an
eye
on
things.
So
you
might
see
me
up
there.