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A
A
C
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
heritage
preservation
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial,
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
It
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
a
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
C
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
C
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
Are
there
any
members
of
the
board
wishing
to
disclose
any
ex
parte
communications
or
conflicts
of
interest
this
evening,
seeing
none?
If
anyone
wishing
to
speak
this
evening,
would
please
stand
and
raise
their
right
hand
to
be
sworn
in.
A
Okay,
okay,
first
off
we
have
application
2143.
This
is
for
28
west
center
street
they've
asked
for
a
continuance
until
june
7th
which,
which
has
been
approved.
Okay,
so
that's
just
mainly
for
the
record.
Second,
we
have
an
application
2144..
A
I'd
like
the
staff,
can
you
give
us
a
brief
on
this.
C
And
just
for
a
clarification
on
the
first
application
that
was
continued,
it
has
been
continued
to
a
date
certain
of
june
7th
2021.
just
want
to
make
sure
that's
clear
for
the
record,
so
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
re-advertising.
Oh.
D
D
This
is
a
masonry
vernacular
contributing
structure
built
around
around
1925.
It's
got
a
rear
edition
about
the
1960s
and
it's
got
a
contributing
cottage
in
the
back
constructed
around
1950..
D
The
applicant
would
like
to
replace
the
windows
and
doors
on
both
of
the
structures
that
are
there
and
also
bring
the
port
railing
on
the
front
principle
structure
up
to
code
by
raising
the
height,
and
this
just
shows
basically
the
components
of
the
property,
the
original
building,
the
1960s
edition
from
just
my
kind
of
conjecture
of
where
that
is,
and
the
1950s
out
building.
D
This
is
the
picture,
the
property
from
the
street
and
the
master
site
file
gnosis
as
a
masonry
vernacular
it's
been
referred
to.
In
fact,
our
own
survey
refers
to
it
as
a
french
creole,
but
it
is
a
masonry
vernacular
with
greek
revival
and
french
creole
style
elements
added
to
it.
D
According
to
our
guidelines,
this
looks
at
it
from
the
side.
I'm
guessing
that
that
southern
southernmost
portion
is
the
1960s
edition,
but
this
just
kind
of
shows
the
building
from
the
west
side.
This
is
the
contributing
cottage
in
the
back
built
around
the
1950s.
D
So
as
far
I
took
a
kind
of
a
count
of
the
windows
and
doors.
It
may
not
be
exact,
but
the
applicant
can
clarify
anything
that
I
misstate
or
leave
out
we're
looking
at
replacement
really
of
all
the
windows
and
doors
that
exist
on
the
property,
so
you've
got
the
original
and
out
building
the
materials.
D
D
These
are
just
your
guidelines
that
are
most
applicable
and
your
review
criteria
so,
starting
with
the
doors
the
ground
floor,
first
of
the
principal
building,
that
door
will
be
replaced
with
a
storefront
door.
D
D
The
door
upstairs
will
be
a
solid
door
either
smooth
or
a
panel.
The
applicant
can
probably
give
you
more
details
on
that.
D
So
the
storefront
door-
this
has
been
a
it-
was
a
originally
a
residence.
It
has
been
commercial.
It's
proposed.
Any
applicant
can
can
talk
about
this,
but
as
far
as
we
can
tell
proposed
to
continuous
commercial
and
the
storefront
door
seems
appropriate
for
that
street
front
commercial
entrance.
For
that
use,
we
believe
the
solid
door
upstairs
is
also
appropriate
kind
of
makes
it
a
little
bit
understated
almost
like
it
could
still
be
a
residential
area
up
there
or
so
that
seems
to
be
acceptable,
and
then
we
have
doors
on
the
rest
of
the
structure.
D
D
You
can
see
a
lot
of
the
windows
on
the
property
were
bricked
in
so
there's
some
up
there
on
that
second
floor,
that
are
metal
and
then
the
ones
on
the
front,
not
really
the
two
sides
of
that
principal
resonance.
All
the
windows
are
bricked
in
and
then
on
the
oh,
the
cottage
you've
again
got
the
metal
windows,
the
storefront
doors
and
those
would
all
be
replaced
again
with
the
solid
doors
and
the
one
over
one
vinyl
windows.
D
One
of
these
doors
on
this
kind
of
east
face
east
facing
part
of
that
front
cottage
facade
will
be
replaced
by
a
door.
I
think
it's
this
one
on
the
left,
but
mr
andreas
is
here.
I
can
clarify
that
for
you
and
again
here's
a
couple
more
of
the
openings.
I
believe
this
one
was
a
door
oops
that
one
was
a
window,
so
some
of
these
are
completely
gone
and
just
boarded
up.
This
is
the
back
again.
This
is
kind
of
interesting
to
me,
this
cottage
being
incorporated
into
the
sight
wall.
D
It's
kind
of
kind
of
a
fun
thing.
There's
rectangular
windows
in
the
back
that
are
actually
one
over
one.
Now
will
be
replaced
with
the
vinyl
and
then
over
here
on
the
west
end.
There's
a
window
and
a
door
looks
like
a
door
opening
the
applicant
doesn't
propose
to
replace
the
garage
door
at
this
time,
but
that
shows
you
the
the
view
from
back
there.
D
As
far
as
the
railing,
you
can
kind
of
see
on
this
oops,
drawing
that
what
is
proposed
is
to
bring
those
vertical
elements
up,
and
I
forget
how
many
inches
that
has
to
be,
but
up
high
enough
to
meet
today's
building
code
and
use
that
same
kind
of
metal
and
then
paint
it
to
be
all
seamless.
D
It
should
be
really
unnoticeable
from
the
street
as
far
as
it
being
a
new
addition
and
then
should
be
pretty
seamless
from
the
porch
views
too.
These
are
just
two
views.
Looking
standing
at
the
ground
floor
front
door
to
these
two
sides
of
the
porch.
D
E
A
quick
clarification
on
a
store
front
door.
I've
never
heard
that
term
before
I'm,
assuming
a
metal
frame
and
mostly
glass,
is
that
what
a
storm
storefront
door
would
be.
D
Maybe
there
you
know,
you
guys
always
remember,
I'm
the
staff
person
that
administers
this
program,
but
I
am
not
an
architect
or
expert.
So
if
there's
another
name
for
that,
that
would
be
great.
I
would
love
to
know
what
it.
E
E
A
F
No
george,
andrew
otis
930
bayshore
drive.
F
Well,
we're
proposing
for
the
building
and
have
a
tentative
agreement
with
a
local
restaurant
to
open
up
there
and
in
negotiations
with
that
that
or
the
owners
of
the
restaurant
are
proposing
to
run
it.
We
have
come
up
with
this
plan
on
renovating
the
building
and
keeping
aspects,
architectural
design
aspects
of
the
building,
while
updating
some
of
the
things
we're
not
going
to
be
changing
window
sizes
not
going
to
be
changing
door,
trims,
metal,
trims,
really
any
of
the
architectural
aspects
of
the
building
that
give
it.
E
Hi
hello,
great
building.
F
Yes,
a
lot
a
lot
of
excitement
around
it.
E
You've
you've
you've
already
answered
one
of
my
questions
about
using
the
existing
openings
for
all
the
doors
and
the
windows,
okay,
great
and
in
the
application.
E
It
mentions
paneled
or
smooth
doors.
Have
you
made
a
decision
on
that.
F
Yes,
yes,
sir,
they
will
be
paneled
which
will
match
every
door
other
than
the
rear
door
on
that
addition,
which
is
glass,
inlaid
or
wood
and
laid
with
glass
that'll,
be
a
panel
door
out
back.
There
is
going
to
be
a
mop
area
and
some
access
to
the
kitchen
and
bathrooms,
and
we
kind
of
wanted
a
little
more
security
than
a
glass
door
on
the
back.
E
E
F
G
F
E
F
There
is
say
100
of
the
work.
75
percent
of
that
work
is
going
to
be
repairing
that
rusted
railing
and
he
wasn't
very
confident
that
the
integrity
of
the
current
railing
would
last
taking
it
out
because
he
would
have
preferred
removing
it
all
and
doing
it.
You
know
at
a
shop,
but
he
just
wasn't
definitely
the
spiral
staircase
would
not
last
moving
at
at
all
okay,
so
he
had
proposed
to
raise
to
to
follow
the
elements
that
go
vertical
and
then
continue
those
up.
F
E
A
G
I
H
So
this
is
a
french
creole
architecture.
The
only
recommendation
I
would
make
is
just
on
the
front
facade
only
instead
of
doing
one
over
one
doing
just
like
just
a
one
bar.
If
you,
google,
any
kind
of
architecture-
and
I
worked
in
new
orleans
for
about
10
years-
typical
creole-
would
be
a
two
over
two
light
configuration.
I
think
that
it
would
add
a
lot
to
the
architecture
on.
F
H
F
C
The
only
reason
being
is
that,
if
it's
not
otherwise
approved,
then
the
applicant
has
to
come
back
to
get
that
approval
for
those
types
of
windows.
Okay,.
C
Well,
so
the
applicant
can
certainly
I
mean
your.
You
are
what
you
can
make
a
motion
with
conditions
on
it.
One
of
those
conditions
can
be.
We
approve
the
applicant
application
is
submitted
or
with
the
two
over
two
windows,
so
you
can
give
him
the
option,
if
he's
willing
to
do
so,
okay,
but
but
otherwise,
if
you
don't
give
him
the
option
and
he
decides
he
wants
to
do
two
over
two,
because
it
was
such
a
great
recommendation.
It
really
would
keep
with
the
french
colonial
architecture.
B
C
A
Okay,
okay,
does
the
public
have
any?
Is
it
anybody
in
here
want
to
add
to
this.
J
J
A
A
D
So
this
one
is
located
at
199
green
boulevard.
You
can
see
that's
where
it
is
in
the
district
and
again
this
is
for
replacement
of
windows
and
doors
on
this
property.
D
The
carriage
house
portion
of
the
property
is
frame
vernacular
with
concrete
block
foundational
materials,
and
then
there
is
a
apartment
building
that
was
added
in
the
1970s.
You
can
kind
of
see
the
configuration
there,
this
carriage
house,
as
it's
kind
of
referred
to,
is
the
former
garage,
a
garage
apartment
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
to.
I
think
it's
110
spring
boulevard,
but
the
principal
residence
there
to
the
south.
D
So
this
is
a
one
view
of
the
property.
The
carriage
house
is
the
two-story
structure
and
then
the
1970s
added
apartments
go
around
the
corner
there.
D
And
again,
I
kind
of
have
some
numbers
there,
but
all
of
the
windows
and
doors
are
being
replaced.
If
I
miscounted
it's
everything
and
then
on
the
entire
structure,
and
then
the
applicant
is,
this
is
another
one
of
those
tlc
properties.
The
applicant
has
that
they're
doing
some
repair
and
replacement
of
some
of
the
features
on
the
property.
D
This
time
we're
looking
at
all
solid
panel
doors,
the
material
wasn't
stated,
but
the
applicant
can
talk
about
that
and
then
vinyl
one
over
one
single
home
windows,
and
then
the
block
portion
of
the
edition
would
be
stucco,
smooth
stucco.
These
are
your
review
standards
and
some
of
the
guidelines
that
would
apply.
D
This
shows
the
doors
so
we're
looking
at
on
the
carriage
house,
one
door
in
the
front
and
one
in
the
back
and
some
of
the
work
was
started.
So
you
can
see
this
pretty
much.
What
some
of
this
will
be.
Looking
like,
there
was
no
information
on
the
previous
doors.
I
took
a
picture
of
a
door
laying
inside
the
carriage
house
through
the
window,
looks
like
one
of
those
hollow
core
or
wood
veneer.
So
I'm
sure
it's
not
original.
D
D
D
D
This
asphalt,
driveway
you
can
see
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
courtyard
feature,
and
this
porch
really
does
tie
the
two
structures
together
so
just
curious,
whether
any
of
that
little
bit
of
kind
of
a
courtyard
type
feature
would
be
retained
as
far
as
how
this
will
end
up
looking
from
the
street,
but
you
can
see
some
of
those
original
supports
when
the
porch
was
added
or
there,
so
it
will
really
approve
the
look
but
improve
the
look
of
this
property
from
the
street.
D
A
Okay,
we
have
the
applicant
representative
here
again,
you
give
us
a
little
brief
on
this.
F
Absolutely
it
is
a
it's
199
grand
boulevard,
as
pat
pointed
out,
it's
a
an
apartment
structure
that
at
one
point
had
been
changed
to,
I
think
in
the
neighborhood
of
ten
apartments,
a
department
might
be
a
stretch
more
like
rooms
with
with
a
you
know,
microwave
and
a
little
bathroom
we
are
proposing,
and
I
know
this
is
outside
the
scope,
but
it's
going
to
be
five
apartments
and
we
will
be
replacing
again
the
doors
and
windows.
F
None
of
the
sizes
will
be
changed,
the
the
work
had
begun
and-
and
this
is
another
interesting
project
here
in
tarpon
we
had
numerous
break-ins
after
purchasing
and
rather
than
call
weekly.
I
was
told
by
tspd
to
replace
the
first
floor
windows
and
doors.
The
the
original
doors
were
compromised
from
the
jams
to
the
door.
So
much
you
couldn't
secure
it
other
than
literally
bolting
from
the
back
side.
It
was
just
so
compromised,
so
we
began
on
the
first
floor
and
pat
showed
some
of
the
work
that
we
began.
But
again
it
is.
F
It
was
a
combination
of
metal
doors,
wood
doors
and
fiberglass
doors
that
we
took
out,
none
of
which
I
would
imagine
date
back
to
1925
and
we've
replaced
them
all
with
fiberglass
doors
and
then
vinyl
windows.
The
windows,
also
where
it
was
four
different
kinds
of
windows
that
we
were
replacing
out
of
there.
None
of
the
sizes
changed
none
of
the
trim
changed.
F
F
It's
rough
block,
I
guess
you
would
use
which
a
lot
of
the
buildings
in
the
historic
area
have
we
needed
to
repair
approximately
20
of
those
blocks.
Apparently,
a
car
had
driven
in
to
the
building
at
one
point,
so
I
was
lucky
enough
to
find
a
stucco
guy
that
has
done
that
work
before
and
had
to
repair
that
he
is
going
to
be
repairing
those
to
make
it
all
uniform.
F
I
think
it's,
the
carriage
house
that
has
that
that
block
on
it
and
it'll
be
contiguous
from
the
the
south
side
into
the
east
side
and
then
to
the
north
side,
which
is
the
the
the
sides
that
have
that
the
repair
to
the
roof
actually
feeds
me.
The
roof
had
been
repaired
six
or
seven
years
ago.
So
some
of
that
wood
that
was
replaced
was
done
by
whoever
did
did
the
roof,
but
we
are
going
to
take
care
of
the
rest.
Hopefully
any
questions.
A
F
Do
with
that
the
courtyard
we're
we're
actually
going
to
expand
that
courtyard
forward,
so
we're
hoping
in
a
later,
I
guess:
application
to
put
red
historical
street
brick
really
from
the
front
of
the
carriage
house,
all
the
way
to
the
back
right
now,
there's
approximately
18
to
20
feet
in
the
rear,
so
the
most
well.
What
direction.
G
F
Side
of
the
courtyard,
but
we're
gonna
bring
it
all
the
way
forward.
This
building
also
was
where
the
tragedy
with
the
local
officer,
you
know,
happened,
and
we
have
been
in
discussions
with
his
widow
and
we're
gonna.
Do
we're
gonna
build
a
fountain
with
a
little
area
and
memorial
to
to
him
on
the
building,
so
that
courtyard
will
incorporate
the
fountain
and
then
some
red
brick
around
it
and
and
plants
all
the
way
around
that
will
not
be
accessible
by
vehicle
at
all,
we're
going
to
put
parking
barriers
all
the
way
across.
F
I
think
the
architectural
drawing
show
seven
spots
six
regular
spots
in
one
handicap,
but
you
it'll
be
an
entire
courtyard,
as
opposed
to,
I
think,
probably
about
30
percent
of
it
is
courtyard
now.
F
I
hope
so.
Okay,
we
are
going
to
save
the
shake.
As
pat
had
pointed
out,
the
the
shake
siding
is
in
miraculously
good
condition.
I
can't
believe
it.
I've
been
peeling
the
paint
off
here
and
there
and
it's
in
pretty
good,
pretty
good
condition
that
the
carriage
house
has
a
metal
roof
as
opposed
to
the
shingle.
That's
in
the
back,
it
kind
of
separates
it,
and
hopefully
we
can
keep
keep
that
look
that
apartment
down
there.
That
incorporates
the
stalls
and
everything
is
going
to
be
kind
of
neat.
We
have.
We
have.
E
A
Okay,
do
we
have
any
public
comment
on
this.
E
I
may
have
missed
it
and
you
might
have
already
said
it,
but
the
the
dental
work
that's
all
being
saved
and
if
it
needs
to
be
repaired,
you'll
repair
it
the
little
little
box.
The
little
squares.
A
You
do
we
have
any
public
comment
on
this,
this
one,
okay,
any
discussions
with
the
board.
E
It
doesn't
matter
to
me.
I
will
make
a
motion
that
application
2145
for
199
grand
boulevard
be
approved,
along
with
the
staff's
recommendations.
A
A
J
A
Okay,
next
is
application
2146.
This
is
for
218
east
tarpon
avenue.
This
is
to
replace
a
sign
for
non-contributing
property
staff.
Do
we
have
a
briefing
on
this.
D
A
D
This
is
for
a
placement
of
the
side
at
218,
east
tarpon,
f,
that's
the
location
of
the
property
there
and
again
location
in
the
historic
district.
D
This
is
a
masonry
vernacular,
non-contributing
property.
It
seems
like
from
the
site
file
form.
The
main
issue
was
the
pretty
drastic
alteration
of
the
entrance
in
the
storefront
original
to
the
store
that
kind
of
made
it
non-contributing.
D
The
applicant
is
asking
to
place
a
plexiglas
sign
on
the
smooth
surface
of
the
front,
facade
and
the
sign
meets
the
district
size
requirements
and
it
includes
a
simple
white
border
and
is
either
nailed
or
attacked
to
the
building
the
applicant,
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
present,
but
they
may
wish
to
address
that
and
again
the
storefront
was
altered
in
the
1980s,
but
the
upper
portion
still
retains
a
little
bit
of
the
the
original
detail,
and
this
is
the
sign.
D
The
sign
is
up
at
at
this
time
and
the
applicant
is
asking
for
the
approval.
This
is
the
property
here
between
the
lindiakis
here
and
these
stores
over
here.
So
this
is
the
piece
of
property,
the
yellow,
building,
just
kind
of
front
and
closer
views.
So
you
can
see
what
the
sign
looks
like.
D
And
that's
a
close-up
of
the
sign,
so
these
are
your
review
criteria
that
most
apply
and
we
do
have
a
guideline
86
regarding
signs
and
it's
you
know
it
pretty
much
complies
with
the
guidelines
being
on
the
smooth
surface
of
the
building.
D
I
would
say,
if
there's
anything
about
the
sign
that
you
would
want
to
address,
I
would
just
suggest
that
you
might
want
to
have
them
paint
the
nails
or
put
some
kind
of
frame
around
it.
But
that's
up
to
you.
If
you're,
okay,
with
the
look
of
it,
then
you
know
you
can
go
ahead
and
approve
it,
but
that
was
the
only
thing
I
noticed
that
that
you
might
want
to
address.
D
This
was
publicly
noticed,
there
were
no
responses
received
and
staff
is
recommending
approval.
Are
there
any
questions.
C
And
if
I
can
make
a
comment
when
you're
talking
about
the
pat
mentioned
the
look
of
the
sign,
that
would
be
the
aesthetic
look
of
the
border
and
the
nails
only,
but
the
actual
logo
we've
had
this
discussion
before
the
actual
logo
and
art
on
the
sign
is
not
underneath
your
purview
and
that's
something
that
you
don't
have
any
control
over.
E
E
A
Okay
board:
you.
C
Well,
so
the
packet
that
you
have
is
considered
evidence,
that's
germaine's
the
application.
Some
of
this
information
are
things
that
the
applicant
would
have
submitted.
You
can
consider
that
if
you
find
that
that
meets
the
criteria
to
to
grant
the
application,
then
you
can
grant
the
application.
If
you
find
that
what's
been
submitted,
does
not
meet
the
criteria,
then
you
could
deny
the
application.
C
The
applicant
doesn't
always
have
to
give
a
presentation,
they're
afforded
the
ability
to
do
so,
but
they
don't
necessarily
have
to
if
they
feel
like
they've
submitted
enough.
So
your
decision
would
be
half
would
be
based
on
the
application
as
presented
and
then
any
questions
that
you
might
have
of
staff,
but
mostly
just
the
application.
That's
been
presented.
C
C
If
the,
if
the
packet
gives
you
sufficient
information
that
you
find
that
your
criteria
are
covered,
then
you
would
have
to
find
in
favor
if
you
find
that
the
application
materials
that
have
been
submitted
do
not
include
are
not
considered
competent,
substantial
evidence
that
would
allow
you
to
meet
the
criteria,
then
you
would
have
to
deny
it
so
the
reason
I
qualify
it
like
that
is
twofold,
one.
That's
the
legal
standard
and
two
sometimes
we
wish
we
had
more,
though
more
is
not
required.
C
Well,
I
would
also
caution
you
know
you
may
not
have
an
applicant
for
for
a
presentation,
but
you
do
still
need
to
ask
if
there's
any
public
comment
and
go
through
the
same
procedure
as
it
still
is.
A
quasi-judicial
hearing.
A
J
This
sign
it
it's
in
an
area
that
has
three
adjoining
stores
and
their
signage
is
on
their
windows,
not
on
the
building,
but
they
do
have
awnings,
and
this
building
does
not
have
an
awning,
but
they
do
have
their
signage
in
the
window,
and
I
don't
know
why
it's
necessary
to
put
that
signage
above
the
you
know.
I
know
it.
Its
criteria
is
correct,
you
know,
but
I
I
just
don't
like
it.
C
Okay,
that's
not
a
job,
I
was
gonna
say
I
well,
I
you
know
just
for
legal
clarification
yeah,
whether
or
not
you
like
the
sign
or
not.
This.
E
C
Like
we
had
this
distillery
that
came
with
the
the
logo
that
was
not
palatable
to
all
whether
or
not
you
like
the
sign
or
not
is
not.
I
know.
C
Right
and
so,
and
for
science,
it's
a
little
bit
different
because
there's
constitutional
issues
so
for
signs
really,
especially
this
line.
The
only
things
that
you're
really
to
consider
are
the
size
of
the
sign,
whether
it
meets
the
historic
guidelines
for
the
size
of
the
sign
and
as
pat
mentioned
you
know,
do
you
aesthetically.
Do
you
want
the
nails
covered?
Would
you
prefer
a
frame
to
be
around
it
and
and
even
then.
A
C
C
H
D
A
A
D
H
C
It's
definitely
tape
well
and
the
application.
You
know,
unfortunately,
the
applicant's
not
here
to
answer
your
questions,
but
the
application
is
asking
to
install
a
plex-a-glass
sign,
so
whatever
you're
voting
here
on
tonight,
you're
voting
on
this
application.
If
you
vote
to
approve
the
installation
of
a
plexiglas
sign,
then
that
is
what
the
applicant
is
required
to
do.
If
the
sign
that's
presently
out,
there
is
not
plexiglas,
then
it's
still
not
approved
with
the
certificate
of
approval,
because
it's
not
as
requested.
C
H
H
H
J
A
J
E
A
Okay,
can
we
have
a
roll
call
vote.
E
E
D
D
Yes,
and
I
would
like
to
ask
mark
to
bring
up
the
powerpoint,
that's
on
the
laptop
up
front.
We
have
talked
dr
tina
bucavallis
with
us
this
evening
and
she
is
the
director
of
florida,
cultural
resources
incorporated
and
she
previously
served
as
state
folklorist
and
director
of
the
florida
folk
life
program
under
the
florida
bureau,
of
historic
preservation,
also
as
curator
of
folklife
under
this
historical
museum
of
southern
florida
and
curator
of
arts
and
historical
resources
here
with
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
and
she
conducted
research
on
public
fold.
D
Folklore
as
a
fulbright
scholar
excuse
me
in
greece
and
is
the
author
co-author
or
editor
of
the
following
publications:
greek
music
in
america,
greeks
in
tarpon
springs
the
florida
folk
life
reader
just
above
the
water,
florida,
folk,
art
and
south
florida
folklife.
She
also
is
involved
in
historic
preservation,
has
curated
numerous
exhibits
and
published
many
essays,
so
dr
bucavales
holds
a
phd
in
folklore
from
indiana
university.
D
E
G
Okay,
I'm
going
to
turn
this
way,
so
I
too
can
see
the
screen,
I'm
here
today
as
a
representative
of
the
greektown
preservation
and
heritage
association,
a
non-profit
whose
mission
is
to
preserve
and
promote
the
cultural
and
historical
heritage
of
the
greek
town,
historic
district.
G
We
hope
to
accomplish
this
by
envisioning
renovations,
upgrades
and
policies
consistent
with
historic
preservation
practices
and
the
best
interests
of
the
district.
The
association
will
then
make
recommendations
to
the
city,
pinellas
county
developers
and
other
interested
parties
to
ensure
that
our
heritage
and
history
are
given
due
consideration
in
proposed
planning
and
implementation,
and
before
I
go
on,
I
would
also
like
to
introduce
nicolette
henderson,
our
co-secretary,
who
is
a
former
alternate
with
this
board.
G
She
says
that
it's
totally
changed
since
she's
been
here
and
also
someone
who,
when
we
were
doing
the
nomination
for
the
greektown
district,
was
one
of
the
key
people
in
our
in
our
local
focus
group,
because
she
grew
up
there
and
her
family
has
owned
property
and
basically
she
knew
the
owners
or
residents
of
every
house
in
the
district.
It
was
impressive
anyway.
In
june
2014
the
tarpon
springs.
Greektown
historic
district
was
listed
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
which
I
will
refer
to
as
the
nr.
G
I
will
also
briefly
touch
on
cicada
cemetery,
an
auxiliary
site
which
was
added
to
the
nr
in
march
2019
as
a
tcp
for
its
association
with
the
greek
community.
So
why
are
these
places
important
since
the
1970s?
G
Many
historic
preservationists
have
shifted
from
the
dominant
20th
century
focus
on
architectural
style
to
a
more
humanistic
and
social
value,
based
determination
of
the
significance
of
historic
resources?
They
recognize
that
it
is
not
architectural
style
but
people
in
their
relationship
with
nature
and
culture
who
create
places
and
determine
significance.
G
Okay,
the
national
historic
preservation
act
of
1980
failed
to
provide
coverage
for
the
full
range
of
cultural
resources.
Intangible
cultural
elements
were
outside
the
scope
of
the
law.
The
1980
amendments
to
this
act
included
a
directive
to
study
the
means
of
preserving
and
conserving
the
intangible
elements
of
our
cultural
heritage,
such
as
arts
skills,
folk
life
and
folkways,
and
to
recommend
ways
to
preserve,
conserve
and
encourage
the
continuation
of
the
diverse
traditional
that
is
prehistoric,
historic,
ethnic
and
folk
cultural
traditions.
That
underlie
and
are
a
living
expression
of
our
american
heritage.
G
In
response,
ormond
loomis,
who
was
then
the
director
of
florida
folklife
program
prepared
cultural
conservation,
the
protection
of
cultural
heritage
in
the
united
states
presented
to
congress
in
1983
by
the
national
park
service
and
library
of
congress.
The
report
recommended
that
traditional
cultural
resources,
both
those
associated
with
historic
properties
and
those
without
specific
property
reference,
be
more
systematically
addressed.
G
In
addition,
tcps
must
maintain
continuity
of
cultural
association
or
use
into
the
present,
though
it
is
acknowledged
that
traditional
cultural
significance
and
use
may
evolve
and
change
over
time,
and
this
is
very
important,
they're,
not
stuck
in
one
historic
period.
They
continue
into
the
present
and
change
over
time.
G
In
practice,
the
majority
of
tcp
listings
have
been
native
american
and
hawaiian
sacred
sites,
but
bulletin
38
emphasizes
native
properties,
but
it
also
states
that
this
should
not
be
meant
to
imply
that
native
only
native
americans
ascribe
traditional
cultural
value
to
historic
properties,
or
that
such
a
scription
is
common.
Only
to
ethnic
minority
groups
in
general,
americans
of
every
ethnic
origin
have
properties
to
which
they
ascribe
traditional
cultural
value,
and
if
such
properties
meet
the
nr
criteria,
the
canon
should
be
nominated
for
inclusion.
G
G
There
was
also
a
push
for
more
tcp
nominations,
and
it
was
out
of
this
push
that
these
tarpon
springs
listings
originated,
although
protection
of
nr
eligible
and
listed
sites
is
limited,
the
act
mandated
some
safeguards
in
the
case
of
an
eligible
or
listed
resource.
A
section
106
review
must
be
undertaken
before
implementing
a
federal,
federally,
assisted
or
federally
licensed
project.
G
So
quote
the
nr
lists
and
section
106
requires
review
of
effects
on
tangible
cultural
resources.
That
is
historic
properties.
However,
the
attribute
attributes
that
give
such
properties
significance,
such
as
their
association
with
historical
events,
are
often
intangible
in
nature.
Such
attributes
cannot
be
ignored
in
evaluating
and
managing
historic
properties
properties
and
their
intangible
attributes
of
significance
must
be
considered
together.
G
So
that's
what
the
feds
have
to
say
about
it,
and
this
is
what
the
what
the
state
says
about
it:
listing
of
tcps
on
the
nr
fulfills
goals
for
the
state
of
florida
as
lis,
as
stated
in
their
vision
for
historic
preservation,
which
is
detailed
in
florida's,
comprehensive,
historic
preservation
plan,
and
that
includes
objective
1a
of
goal
1,
which
is
identification
and
evaluation
of
historic
resources
to
conduct
surveys
at
the
municipal
level
to
identify
historic
properties,
encourage
the
incorporation
of
modern
technologies
and
techniques
in
historic
resource
survey,
including
oral
histories,
expand
the
scope
of
historic
resource
survey
beyond
architecture
to
identify
rural
and
urban
landscapes,
traditional
cultural
properties
and
and
other
underrepresented
resources
and
there's
another
objective,
which
is
to
identify
and
designate
tcps
in
florida
and
list
them
on
the
national
register.
G
The
state's
plan
gives
the
greek
town
listing,
as
its
only
example
of
a
non-native
tcp
and
when
the
nomination
of
the
nr
nomination
of
greektown
was
reviewed
at
the
bureau
of
historic
preservation.
Many,
if
not
most,
of
the
staff
members
attended,
because
they
wanted
to
learn
more
about
tcps,
and
this
was
florida's
first
step.
G
First
of
all,
this
is
a
map
and
you
can
see
that
it
stretches
from
the
anclote
river.
The
sponge
docks
all
the
way
down
to
tarpon
avenue,
essentially
and
that's
grand
avenue
and
up
to
up
to
pinellas
and
a
little
bit
above
that.
G
So
you
probably
know
much
of
this,
but
probably
not
all
of
it.
In
the
early
20th
century,
greek
immigrants,
primarily
from
the
dodecanese
islands,
significantly
expanded
and
changed
florida's
sponge
industry
in
1905
500
men
arrived
in
a
town
that
only
had
541.
D
G
Within
a
couple
years
there
were
a
hundred
sponge
boats
and
up
to
800
greeks,
who
were
working
florida
waters
as
well
as
many
others
that
were
in
related
maritime
businesses,
using
both
deep
sea,
diving
and
hooking
techniques
on
boats
with
sails
and
engines.
The
creeks
revolutionized,
the
sponge,
business
and
tarpon
springs
became
the
largest
u.s
sponge
port
throughout
the
20th
century.
G
G
They
they
moved
into
houses
south
of
the
docks
gradually
creating
greek
town
with
residences
stores,
churches,
restaurants,
coffee
houses
and
recreational
facilities
that
stretch
to
the
city
centers
to
the
city.
Center
signs
at
the
railroad
station
were
posted
in
english
and
greek,
and
this
is
actually
a
sponge
warehouse,
one
that
still
remains
and
which
very
fittingly
has
become
the
office
of
a
bridge.
Painting
company
since
greeks
came
to
tarpon
springs
in
relatively
large
numbers.
They
maintained
an
unusually
large
portion
of
their
culture.
G
As
folklorist
robert
georges
wrote,
the
florida
climate
was
comparable
to
their
home
islands
because
of
their
numbers.
They
could
continue
to
speak
greek
practice.
The
greek
orthodox
religion
maintain
their
family
structure
and
perpetuate
familiar
dietary
habits
and
modes
of
dress.
The
men
engaged
in
the
same
occupation
they
had
in
greece
and
used
the
same
technology
in
their
work.
G
At
that
point,
in
1967,
edwin
buxbaum
asserted
that
greeks
were
the
majority
in
many
of
the
years
from
1905
to
1940
a
situation
which
has
had
no
other
equal
in
any
other
community
in
the
united
states,
and
he
also
said
because
of
their
aggressiveness
in
industry.
They
were
soon
to
become
the
dominant
group
in
the
city
and
remain
so
for
years.
G
G
Their
accounts
are
especially
interesting
because
they
contrast
with
those
of
local
non-greek
authors,
who
stress
the
history
of
the
anglo-americans
and,
of
course,
very
little.
Attention
was
paid
to
the
african-americans
four
years
since
the
beginning,
but
despite
their
numbers
and
extensive
infrastructure
in
the
early
days,
greeks
often
remained
socially
separate
from
anglo-americans,
probably
due
to
cultural
differences,
but
certainly
also
to
ongoing
discrimination.
G
G
Although
many
greeks
had
moved
north
to
work
in
the
steel
mills,
there
was
also
a
new
stream
of
greek
american
retirees
from
the
north
and
new
arrivals
coming
from
greece.
Sponge
fishing
continued
on
a
limited
basis,
but
in
1986
there
was
a
major
revival
supporting
about
40
working
boats
by
1996,
it
leveled
out
to
eight
or
ten
boats
working
regularly
and
a
handful
full
of
others
periodically.
G
Many
larger
cities
have
larger
greek
populations,
but
no
other
city
has
a
larger
percentage
of
residents
of
greek
background
as
tarpon
springs.
Now
the
greek
town,
historic
district
measures,
140
acres
with
296
contributing
buildings
sites
and
structures,
including
about
a
dozen
sponge
boats,
and
preserves
a
strong
ethnic
and
maritime
character.
G
Greek
is
not
only
widely
spoken,
but
is
the
primary
language
in
many
homes,
in
other
words,
it's
the
epitome
of
a
greek
tcp,
so
I'll
just
sort
of
flip
through
some
of
these,
as
you
can
see
they,
these
are
mostly
examples
of
intangible
cultural
heritage,
but
are
tied
to
specific
places
in
which
they
happen
in
the
greek
town
district
you
can.
Although
this
was
taken
in
1947,
this
place
looks
pretty
much
the
same
and
it
certainly
serves
the
same
purpose.
G
These
are
some
one
current
many
past
pictures
of
the
coffee
houses.
This
is
these
people
are
making
tomorrow,
which
is
a
traditional
dish
that
used
to
be
taken
out
on
the
sponge
boats
now
made
by
people
in
the
greek
community
for
special
occasions.
G
This
is
at
the
blessing
of
the
boats
on
january
5th.
The
day
before
epiphany
the
man
to
the
left
is
now
an
archbishop
he's
a
local
boy,
but
at
that
time
he
was,
he
was
a
metropolitan,
oh,
and
by
the
way,
this
is
the
last
working
greek
style,
spongeboat
left
in
tarpon
procession.
G
This
is
my
late
neighbor,
showing
children
how
to
make
lazarakia,
which
they
do
just
the
weekend
before
easter.
So
this
just
hap
something
like
this
just
happened
about
a
week
ago,
holy
thursday.
G
This
is
what
happened
last
friday
and
cooking
lamb
in
the
backyard.
This
is
a
scene
from
a
wedding
at
the
cathedral.
This
is
greek
independence
day
parade
this.
This
is
the
same
boat.
It
was
built
by
george
zorruccos,
who
was
the
last
greek
boat
builder
and
part
of
a
line
of
boat
builders,
traditional
boat
builders,
from
columnist
who
built
boats
with
no
plans
other
than
the
ones
they
drew
themselves.
G
And
this
is
why
the
work-
our
working
waterfront
is
not
a
promenade,
but
a
working
waterfront
people,
the
guys,
actually
use
it
to
sort
sponges.
The
sponge
merchants
come
to
view
the
sponges.
It's
an
important
part
of
the
of
the
sponge
industry.
G
G
By
the
way,
the
night
in
the
islands
that
we
used
to
have
were
actually
very
successful
if
you
ever
got
to
any
of
them,
because
they
are
the
closest
thing
in
this
country,
from
what
I
can
determine
to
a
traditional
greek
panagiri,
which
is
kind
of
like
a
village
celebration,
often
for
saints
days,
but
where
people
have
tables
in
the
plaza.
The
traditional
plaza-
and
this
was
the
sponge
exchange
in
the
old
days-
was
the
sort
of
plaza
for
the
greek
community.
Where
glendi's
and
other
celebrations
were
held.
G
So
it
was
added
to
the
nr
in
2019
as
a
tcp
for
its
association
with
the
greek
community,
sponge
industry,
greek
music
and
as
a
site
where
community
members
maintain
greek
burial
practices
and
religious
rituals.
Greeks
and
greeks.
Greek
americans
represent
a
large
component
of
existing
burials
and
I
was
told
they
are.
The
majority
of
incoming
burials
discernible
patterns
in
funerary,
art
and
burial
rituals
constitute
an
important
example
of
funerary
culture
that
tarpon
springs
shares
with
greece
and
especially
the
dodecanese
islands.
G
Community
and
actually
all
of
these
musicians
were
nationally
and
internationally
known.
You
know
they
had
quite
a
reputation.
A
lot
of
people
have
sort
of
come
to
retire
in
tarpon
springs,
so
I
want
to
share
some
concerns
that
that
our
organization
has,
with
you,
with
city
approval
of
the
greek
town,
historic
district
listed
in
2014.
G
G
You
know
to
guide
the
regulations
along
with
that,
but
whatever
the
reason,
we
feel
it's
time
for
the
city
to
develop
strategies
to
incorporate
recognition
of
the
greektown
historic
district
into
all
aspects
of
government,
and
this
would
also
encourage
the
creation
and
use
of
appropriate
guidelines,
not
codes,
but
guidelines
for
district
renovations,
building
and
development.
G
Our
organization
considers
proper
recognition
to
be
an
urgent
issue
at
this
time.
This
is
in
part
because
the
city
plans
and
policies
that
have
not
recognized
our
district
have
threatened
its
integrity
in
the
not
too
distant
past.
I
don't
know
if
all
of
you
were
here,
but
during
the
sponge
docs
fiasco
in
2014
municipal
paradigms
had
oriented
development
towards
tourism
and
commercial
interests,
rather
than
community
interests
in
a
broader
sense.
G
Hopefully,
we
will
be
able
to
address
such
problems
in
the
future
by
encouraging
place-rooted
development
that
preserves
not
only
building
facades
but
also
their
authentic
cultural
context,
including
the
often
ignored
cultures
of
the
poor,
such
as
sponge.
Fishermen
are
those
of
varied
races
and
ethnic
groups,
but
what
is
most
crucial
in
this
process
is
working
with
the
community
to
achieve
their
aspirations,
so
we
do
see
problems
looming
again,
for
instance,
rather
than
an
unnecessary
and
expensive
gateway
arch.
G
G
G
Okay,
of
course,
you
can
look
at
that
again,
you
know
on
youtube
or
another
thing
if
you're
interested,
if
you,
google,
greek
town
and
national
register,
it
will
take
you,
they
feature
the
greek
town,
historic
district
on
their
website,
and
it
takes
gives
you
a
link
to
the
nomination,
which
explains
in
much
much
greater
detail
about
all
of
the
buildings,
traditional
architecture,
how
tcps
relate
to
this
district
and
so
on.
G
J
G
As
do
the
sponge
boats,
we
you
know
when,
when
I
was
doing
this,
you
know
there
were
several
sponge
boats
that
had
been
listed
individually
on
the
national
register
in
1990..
G
When
I
went
to
see
what
happened
to
them,
they
were
mostly
gone,
they're
just
gone
the
only
there
are
only
three
remaining
the
one.
You
saw
the
working
sponge
boat,
the
one
that
the
city
keeps
and
repairs.
You
know
at
the
docks
and
the
one
inside
the
sponge
exchange,
which
I
fear
is
rotting
from
the
inside
out.
They
put
a
covering
over
the
outside
rotting,
but
I
don't
think
they're
really
are
addressing
interior
rot,
that's
it
they're
done
and
there
were
over
200
sponge
boats
built
here.
G
No
I'm
just
I
I
I'm
sorry.
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
that
we
exist
that
we
may
ask
you
for
something
eventually
or
may
look
to
you
to
be
our
allies
in
some
way,
shape
or
form.
When
things
come
to
the
fore,
I
suspect
we
will
be
approaching
the
commission
at
various
times
and
we
do
hope
to
have
a
lot
to
say
about
the
special
area
plan
and
how
it
and
in
the
comprehensive
plan
about
the
historic
elements,
the
historic
elements
section
which
very
much
needs
updating.
G
D
Yes,
just
want
to
follow
that
up
a
little
bit
I'll
make
this
powerpoint
available
to
you
all
when,
if
tina's
going
to
be
coming
before
the
board
of
commissioners,
I'll,
certainly
keep
you
informed
on
that.
I
will
be
kind
of
briefing
you.
I
think
next
month
on
the
latest
grant
that
we've
gotten
from
the
state
to
do
an
adaptation
resilience
plan
for
the
historic
district
and
the
greek
town
district.
D
D
In
the
meantime,
the
board
of
commissioners,
at
their
last
meeting,
approved
for
the
planning
and
zoning
department
to
go
ahead
and
put
out
a
request
for
proposals
for
update
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
which
is
going
to
be
a
pretty
big
job
over
the
next
couple
years,
18
to
24
months,
and
we
do
have
this
historic
element
but
you'll
be
hearing
more
about
the
comprehensive
plan
as
well.
So,
okay.
E
Yeah,
I
I
actually
have
a
couple
of
things
for
some
clarification
you
sent
out
those
emails.
D
Okay,
so
that
was,
I
believe
it
was
house
bill,
401
or,
and
erica
may
know
more
about
it.
It
came
up
last
session,
didn't
pass
this
session,
it
looks
like
they
engrossed
a
bill,
and
this
was
to
address
architectural
standards
on
single
family.
D
So
the
bill
is
originally
filed
last
year.
Basically
didn't
want
communities
to
regulate
architectural
design
on
single
family
unless
it
was
in
the
historic
district.
That
was
one
of
the
exceptions,
so
that
was
okay.
Somebody,
the
last
minute
stuff
was
in
case.
You
all
were
interested
in
contacting
your
senators,
somebody
tacked
on
on
thursday
night.
D
E
You
know
I
did
have
another,
maybe
question
here:
do:
does
anyone
from
the
staff
ever
make
any
design
suggestions
to
applicants
or
give
them
guidance
other
than
just
handing
them?
Maybe
our
ordinances
or
something.
D
Yes,
we
we
do
probably
on
a
a
larger
scale.
We
do
kind
of
give
them
a
collective
reaction
and
that's
myself
and
the
other
staff
members.
I
always
ask
their
opinion,
because
I
always
need
more
as
much
input
as
I
can
get
on
this
stuff
as
to
whether
we
think
it
it
meets
the
guidelines
for
sure
and
whether
we
think
it's
it's
gonna.
It's
gonna
fly
gonna
be
consistent
with
the
neighborhood
and
the
property
we
do
when
it
gets
down
to
details
and
materials.
It's
you
know.
We.
E
But
okay
and
then
this
may
be
a
question
for
you.
I
touched
that
a
little
bit
tonight,
but
I
didn't
go
very
far
with
it
that
railing
business
was
really
bothering
me.
Okay,
can
we
as
a
board,
make
design
suggestions.
C
Okay,
so
this
is
where
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
sticky
wicket,
your
job
is
okay.
So
when
you
make
design
suggestions,
do
you
mean
to
the
individual,
applicant
or
yeah.
E
C
B
C
It
the
it's
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding,
which
means
that
you're
sitting
and
you
are
acting
in
a
judicial
manner.
Judges
do
not
typically
give
counsel
advice
on
how
they
should
move
forward
with
their
case.
Now.
C
So
I
would
caution
doing
that,
making
a
suggestion
also
you're,
making
one
suggestion
to
one
applicant.
Maybe
your
other
board
members,
don't
necessarily
feel
that
way,
and
then
you
know
I
I
thought
the
back
and
forth
was
a
very
good,
a
very
a
good
example
of
a
way
that
you
can
kind
of
get
to
that.
To
say:
hey
have
you
thought
about
that?
Where
you?
Let
him
give
you
the
information,
and
then
he
can
tell
you
why
they
got
to
that
point.
C
Because
often
the
applicant
is
going
to
know
more
about
the
actual
construction
efforts
and
and
whatnot,
as
you
heard
today,
so
can
you
say
you
know,
I
think
that
in
this
in
a
french
colonial,
this
would
be
more
aesthetically
pleasing.
Have
you
considered
this
this
and
this
you
can,
I
would
just
be.
I
would
just
caution
yourself
to
doing
that,
because
now
you
are.
E
C
H
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
that
piece
either,
because,
if
we're
here
to
advise
on
architectural
and
historic
preservation
that
the
architectural
significance
of
it,
whoever
approved
the
windows
on
that
building,
didn't
do
it
any
justice.
It
was
a
french
building.
It's
a
new
orleans
style.
You
you,
google,
it
that's.
What
comes
up
is,
is
that
style
of
window
I
feel
like.
We
should
be
making
sure
that
we
are
key
in
keeping
with
the
architectural
styles.
C
Right,
but
you
are
one
a
quasi-judicial
board,
so
you're
bound
to
the
criteria
which
are
always
listed
in
the
application
packet,
so
those
are
really
the
only
things
you're
supposed
to
be
considering
what
this
board
has
a
unique
position
is
because
you
also
have
historic
guidelines
and,
as
I've
told
this
board
before
they
are
just
that
they're
guidelines.
You
cannot
necessarily
require
the
applicant
to
do
like
you
say:
I'm
gonna
make
a
motion,
but
we're
conditioning
on
it
that
you
have
to
only
do
two
over
two.
C
Yeah,
that
is
also
an
interesting
portion
of
the
city's
code,
that
this
is
a
quasi-judicial
board,
but
if
any
applicant
makes
that
appeal
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
they
are
not
bound
by
anything
that
you
are
bound
by,
so
that
that
that
is
a
legislative
function
of
the
board
of
commissioners
that
was
made
at
the
time
that
that
code
was
put
in
place.
Perhaps
it
will
change
in
the
future?
Perhaps
it
will
not.
The
other
thing
about
this
board
that
you
guys
do
have.
The
ability
to
do
is
take
a
look
at
things
around.
C
You
know,
and
I
think
the
presentation
tonight
was
very
helpful
and
that
you
do
have
the
ability
to
recommend
specific
properties
or
areas
that
you
think
should
that
are
of
historic
significance
and
make
those
recommendations
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
So
you
know
that's
another
aspect
of
something
this
board
can
do.
So.
E
So
expanding
on
that
a
little
bit
if
we
vote
no,
if
I
vote
no,
I'm
just
speaking
for
myself
again,
I'm
using
the
railing,
I'm
really
bugged
about
that.
Really!
Sorry,
if
I
voted
no-
and
it
was
specifically
because
I
did
I
did
not
like
the
railing-
is
that
something
I
could
do
I
mean.
C
So
I
make
a
joke,
but
honestly,
if
you,
if
you
vote,
no
because
you
don't
like
the
way
that
it
looks,
but
it
otherwise
meets
the
criteria,
then
no,
you
are
not
supposed
to
do
that
by
law.
If
it
meets
the
criteria
that
is
in
your
code,
you
are
required,
whether
you
like
it
or
not
or
like
the
way
they
did
it
or
not.
You
are
required
to
vote.
Yes.
C
You
can
go
on
record,
that's
not
going
to
come
before
you,
probably
but
again,
whether
or
not
that
that's
the
thing
is
sitting
as
a
board
as
board
members,
your
individuals,
you
all
have
your
personal
preferences
that
doesn't
make
a
difference
when
you're
sitting
on
the
board.
Those
personal
preferences
go
out
the
door.
Your
expertise
does
come
into
play
and
again
you
can
make
suggestions,
but
the
applicant
doesn't
have
to
take
them
and
and
I'll.
C
Let
you
know
if
I
think
the
suggestions
go
too
far
or
what
not,
but
you
know
the
other
thing
is
unfortunate.
Fortunately,
or
unfortunately,
your
role
is
in
a
quasi-judicial
manner.
You
have
very
little
say
your
say
is:
does
it
meet
the
criteria,
that's
in
the
code
and
does
it
fit
within
the
historic
guidelines?
C
Those
two
things
need
to
come
into
play
if
it,
if
it's
part
of
your
guidelines
and
it
meets
the
criteria,
you
are
required,
whether
or
not
you
like
the
project,
whether
or
not
you
like
the
railings
or
the
paint
color
or
whatever,
or
the
style
of
window
or
whatnot.
You
are
required
to
vote.
Yes,
if
it
meets
all
those
criteria.
D
D
They're,
not
always
all
applicable,
but
so
I
give
a
staff
report
and
a
staff
recommendation,
but
if
you
read
those
criteria
and
some
of
them
are
there,
they
get
pretty
specific
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
counsel,
but
if
you
do
not
agree
with
staff
that
one
of
those
criteria
are
met
like
architectural
details,
including
color
materials,
texture,
it
gets
pretty
specific
and
you
say:
well,
I
don't
you
can
say
I
don't
like
it,
but
rather
than
I
don't
like
it,
you
might
say.
D
I
don't
feel
this
meets
criteria
whatever,
because
I
don't
think
it's
in
you
know,
keeping
with
the
architecture
or
something
that
that
is
something
they
can
do
right.
In
other
words,
I
don't
agree
with
staff.
I
I
I
you
know
you
or
the
board
staff
is
going
to
give
you
their
opinion,
and
I
think
what
they're
getting
at
too
is
that's
one
reason
we
want
people
on
the
board
with
architectural
backgrounds,
to
judge
what
the
applicant's
presenting,
but
also
to
you
would
make
a
finding.
D
You
know
you've
got
something
here
that
says:
windows
should
be
consistent
with
the
building's
original
architecture.
You
know
if
you
feel
that
it.
D
Has
to
be
yeah,
there's
a
judgment
call
to
make
on
that
criterion,
and
so
I've
made
a
judgment,
call
and
presented
it.
And
then
you
are
the
deciding
body
and
you
would
make
your
your
call
and
make
a
finding
that's
kind
of
the
way
I
see
it,
but
you've
got
some
pretty
good,
detailed
criteria
to
use
and
that's.
C
Exactly
that's
exactly
right
and
and
pat's
heard
me
say
this
to
other
boards
before
that,
just
because
staff
makes
a
recommendation
that
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
rubber
stamp
it.
You
know
stack,
makes
a
recommendation
based
on
the
information
that
they
have.
You
know
you
also
have
the
benefit
of
having
the
applicant
here
and
you
can
question
the
applicant
if
you
feel
that
staff
has
aired
and
that
they
and
that
you
know
again,
the
architectural,
the
window
stylings
don't
match
and
absolutely
not.
That
does
not
solidify
that
does
not
meet
that
criteria.
C
Then
you
can
vote
no
on
that,
even
if
staff
recommends
that
it
get
approved.
I
would
I
would
challenge
you
if,
when
you
have
time
whenever
that
is
to
to
really
read
the
criteria
again,
they're
not
applicable
to
every
application
that
comes
before
you
and
some
of
them
on
this
board
are
very
qualified,
it
says,
should
and
not
has
so
there.
There
is
a
little
bit
of
discretion
in
there
and
I
think
that's
where
your
guidelines
come
into
play,
but
the
two
work
hand
in
hand.
C
That
is
a
very
long
answer
to
the
question:
can
you
help
them
along
you?
Can
you
can
make
a
suggestion?
They're
not
required
to
take
it.
If
you
don't
like
the
railings,
tough
cookies
find
another
way
to
say
you
don't
like
the
railings
and
that
it
doesn't
meet
one
of
the
criteria,
and
maybe
it
doesn't.
I
mean
again:
that's
your
opinion.
You
don't
like
it,
maybe
because
you
don't
like
it
because
it
doesn't
fit
well.
C
Well,
and
then
again,
you
know
he's
running
into
some
issues
too,
and
part
of
your
criteria
is
that
you
know
the
you
repair
first
and
try
not
replace
it.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
the
that
specific
example
is
something
that
you
sometimes
run
into
with
windows,
and
things
too,
is
that
they're
just
beyond
repair.
I
would
love
to
repair
it.
C
I
would
love
to
just
add
six
inches
to
the
bottom,
but
if
I
do
that
the
entire
thing
is
compromised,
and
I
now
I
don't
get
what
I
had
before
and
it's
not
the
original
now
I
have
to
go,
find
something:
that's
either
prefabricated
or
spend
money
to
try
and
find
something
that
they
can.
You
know
fabricate
it
to
make
it
look
identical
to
that.
So
I
mean
there's.
There
are
some
other
considerations.
C
Not
necessarily
there
are
some
instances
in
here
where
it
does
talk
about.
You
know.
If
it's
you
know,
this
is
one
of
the
only
one
of
the
boards
that
I
think
that
money
actually
can
come
into
play,
so
that
has
to
do
some
some
of
with
the
criteria,
if
I
recall,
but
you
know
the
other
thing
too,
is
you
don't
necessarily
want
to
deter
people
in
the
community
and
say
well?
No,
we
have
to
have
it
absolutely
original
and
they're
like
well.
C
That'll
cost
150
000
well
too
bad,
and
then
the
house
goes
into
disrepair
and
now
you've
got
yeah,
I
mean
so
you're.
Look
I
have
the
easy
job.
Y'all
have
the
hard
job.
You
know.
I
think
you
do
a
good
job
of
asking
the
probing
questions
and
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you're
the
hardest
applications
that
come
before
you
are
the
sign
applications
and
that's
because
you
really
don't
have
any
any
wiggle
room
and
you
can
thank
the
united
states
supreme
court
for
for
doing
that
for
you
but
yeah.
C
Look,
I'm
not
here
to.
I
am
here
to
tell
you
no,
but
if
you,
but
if
you,
if
you
ask
the
question
and
I
don't
interrupt,
keep
asking
I'll,
let
you
know
when
you've
gone
a
bridge
too
far.
C
G
H
C
I
Hi,
I'm
jackie
turner,
I'm
a
resident
at
792
chesapeake
drive
a
great
meeting
tonight
y'all.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
really
appreciated
the
presentation
and
on
the
great
town
as
a
traditional
cultural
property,
it's
quite
informative
and
educational,
and
I
guess
it
was
more
for
the
presenter
and
maybe
city
staff
can
help
with
this.
Have
they
been
in
communication
with
the
commission
regarding
their
work
to
develop
an
updated,
comprehensive
plan
and
strategic
plan,
because
I
think
this
information
would
be
vitally
important
to
that
process
and
pat.
I
I
know
you
said
that
you're
going
to
be
sending
this
presentation
to
the
committee.
Is
there
any
way
that
this
could
also
maybe
be
posted
to
the
website
or
available
to
others,
because
I
I
would
just
be
interested
in
having
this
and
again
more
to
the
presenter.
I
I
didn't
know
there
was
a
way
to
bring
this
presentation
to
our
citizens
and
to
the
city,
commission,
maybe
working
with
the
library
or
the
cultural
center
or
the
heritage
museum,
to
hold
an
event
to
share
this
knowledge.
So
that
was
all
I
wanted
to
say
and
thank
you
again
for
the
work
that
you've
done.
D
So
we
yeah
the
greek
tone-
map
tina,
didn't
mention
about
putting
things
on
the
website.
We
do
have
the
district
map
on
the
website
and
we
can
certainly
get
this
presentation
up
on
the
website
and
I
believe
tina's
going
to
be
talking
with
the
board.
I
know
she's
been
coordinating.