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A
A
C
A
All
right
item
number
two
on
the
agenda
is
approval
of
the
minutes.
Do
I
have
a
motion.
E
A
F
A
A
G
Not
exactly
how
this
works
well,
we'll
start
with
the
chair,
so
any
nominations
for
the
position
of
chair.
G
G
All
right,
any
other
nominations
for
vice
chair
hearing,
none
all
in
favor,
say
aye.
F
A
I
As
chair
vice
chair,
congratulations
on
your
hot
fart
campaigns.
It's
a
vigorous
display
of
democracy.
I
am
robert
eschenfelder
with
the
city
attorney's
office
and
this
ordinance.
That's
before
you
you'll
recall
back
in
2020
that
you
were
part
of
the
review
process
for
the
new
food
truck
regulations
that
the
city
had
adopted.
I
You'll
recall
the
legislature
passed
a
bill
that
prohibited
any
local
government
from
outright
banning
food
trucks
throughout
an
entire
jurisdiction
and
the
city.
That
was
the
state
of
the
city's
rules
at
that
time,
and
so
they
had
to
develop
something
to
to
allow
for
them,
and
there
was
a
lengthy
process.
Y'all
recall
that
that
the
city
went
through
with
that.
I
You
all
had
hearing
and
the
commission
had
a
hearing,
and
so
what
came
out
of
that
is
two
new
sections
of
the
code
that
recognize
certain
zones
where
the
food
trucks
could
operate
in
and
then
the
code
that
we
have
before
us
tonight,
which
allows
for
an
accessory
use
of
a
food
truck
at
certain
restaurants,
brick
and
mortar
restaurants
and
drinking
establishments,
and
so
y'all
may
know
or
recall
that
there
was
litigate
litigation,
a
lawsuit
filed
against
the
city
over
the
code.
I
I
That
second
sentence,
which
we're
recommending
to
you,
be
stricken
dealing
with
the
display
of
a
graphic
image,
name
or
branding
of
the
primary
food
or
drink
establishment
and
the
the
way
it's
worded.
It's
it's
really
kind
of
too
vague
to
to
let
a
business
owner
or
a
food
truck
understand
what
size
the
sign
would
be,
or
you
know
how
the
graphic
would
be.
I
It's
just
not
really
precise
enough,
but
but
rather
than
try
to
to
rewrite
it
in
talking
to
miss
vincent
the
planning
director
about
how
the
professional
staff
would
recommend
to
go,
she
indicated
number
one.
No
one
has
even
filed
an
application
using
this,
so
it's
really
all
just
theoretical,
but
but
the
reality
is,
since
the
city
staff
would
be
going
through
and
reviewing
the
application
and
and
seeing
where
the
truck
would
be
placed
and
so
forth.
I
They
already
know
you
know
that
why
the
truck
will
be
there
if
it's
their
particular
hours,
and
so
the
recommendation
of
staff,
as
well
as
recommendation
of
our
office,
is
just
go
ahead
and
drop.
That
second
sentence,
and
so
that's
what's
before
you
all
today,
that's
the
recommendation.
I'll
take
any
questions.
If
there
are
any,
I.
D
I
have
some
questions
just
a
little
history.
I
I
I
kind
of
fought
a
little
hard
on
on
on
this
particular
ordinance
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
it
was
honed
and
tightened
up
a
little
bit.
I
do
have
a
couple
concerns.
Well,
I'm
not
concerned
just
to
define
it
a
little
bit
better.
D
Is
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
that
when,
when
an
applicant
has
an
existing
business,
we
grant
them
signage,
and
so,
if
somebody
was
to
have
a
food
truck,
whatever
signs
they
put
on,
their
food
truck
would
have
to
comply
with
the
sign
requirements.
In
other
words,
if
they
are,
if
they're
maximizing
their
signage
on
their
building,
now
they
bring
in
a
food
truck,
they
can't
add
additional
signage,
because
that
would
increase
their
maximum
maximum
sign
allowance.
D
And
that
would-
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
as
well.
And
I
understand
what
what
you're
saying
as
far
as
that
subparagraph
nine,
that
a
mobile
food
dispensing
vehicle
may
only
be
operated
by
the
primary
business
as
an
extension
of
the
primary
business.
D
I
That's
correct
and
if
you
look
at
the
the
overall
regulatory
scheme,
it's
only
going
to
allow
you
to
apply
for
this
accessory
use
permit
if
you
are
a
food
and
drink
establishment,
and
and
so
a
bookstore,
for
instance,
couldn't
couldn't
apply
with
respect
to
the
parking
spaces.
Staff
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
that
that's
part
of
what
they
would
have
to
put
into
their
accessory
use
application
they're
required
to
do
a
site
plan
that
shows
the
city
staff,
because
not
all
trucks
are
even
the
same
size
right.
C
I
I
So
I
think
I
think
that,
rather
than
calling
out
a
particular
number,
I
think
that
it's
best
just
to
let
that
accessory
use
application
process
play
out
the
way
it
would
and
again
this
is
kind
of
all
theoretical,
because
in
the
two
years
that
this
ordinance
has
been
in
the
books,
not
one
business
has
come
in
to
even
file
an
application.
So.
I
D
I
It
becomes,
it
becomes
a
prohibited
sign.
It
falls
into
the
category
of
prohibited
sign
if
it's
parked
there
for
a
certain
length
of
time,
and
so
the
idea
is
that
the
these
food
trucks
that
would
be
parking
here,
they
would
only
be
doing
it
just
for
the
dinner
hour
or
whatever,
and
then
it
would
have
to
be
moved
away,
and
so
in
that
situation,
that
would
be
fine.
D
I
F
Not
too
much
a
question,
but
just
a
clarification
so
that
I
understand
it
right
is
that
the
purpose
of
tonight's
ordinance
revision
is
simply
to
strike
the
requirement
of
equal
signage
of
their
primary
business
in
the
mobile
truck.
Is
that
they're
no
longer
going
to
be
required
to
show
that
that
it's
going
to
be
obvious,
that
it
is
that's
correct?.
I
F
F
A
E
A
All
right,
seeing
none
I'll
renew
my
motion.
A
Yeah,
seeing
no
discussion
back
to
your
motion
back
to
my
vote
and
your
second
okay:
can
we
have
a
roll
call.
F
A
G
This
is
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
where
the
planning
and
zoning
board
acts
in
a
quasi-judicial
rather
than
a
legislative
capacity
at
the
at
a
quasi-judicial
hearing
is
not
the
board's
function
to
make
law,
but
rather
to
apply
law
that
has
already
been
established
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
The
board
is
required
by
law
to
make
findings
of
fact,
based
upon
the
evidence
presented
at
the
hearing
and
apply
those
findings
of
fact
to
previously
established
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances
in
order
to
make
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
it.
G
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
at
this
hearing
that
the
law
considers
competence,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues.
If
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
met
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
in
favor
of
the
applicant.
By
the
same
token,
if
the
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
evidence
at
the
hearing
demonstrates
that
the
applicant
has
failed
to
meet
the
criteria
established
in
the
code
of
ordinance,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
find
against
the
applicant.
A
All
right
that
brings
us
to
item
number
six
application
21-133,
which
has
been
deferred
to
a
date,
certain
february
28
2022
meeting
of
the
planning
and
zoning
board.
That
brings
us
to
item
number
seven
application,
21-75
site
plan.
Approval
for
live
oak
at
include
river
crossings,
its
residential
townhomes,
located
on
the
northwest
corner
of
live
oak
and
athenian
way.
Do
we
have
a
staff
report.
J
Yes,
ally
keen,
senior
planner,
this
property
again
is
located
off
of
live
oak
street
and
athenian
way
it's
outlined
in
red
here
on
your
screen.
This
property
is
located
within
the
city
special
area
plan.
This
map
is
showing
an
excerpt
from
the
smart
code
which
regulates
the
properties
in
the
special
area
plan
showing
the
transect
zones.
This
particular
property
is
located
in
the
t4c
transect
zone,
which
is
the
yellow
on
the
screen.
J
The
applicants
are
here
today
seeking
site
plan
approval
for
the
live
oak
at
anclote
river
crossings
development.
This
is
a
10
unit,
residential
townhome
development
totaling
in
just
under
25
500
square
feet
of
gross
floor
area.
The
site
plan
does
provide
adequate
parking
and
landscaping
to
meet
the
requirements
of
the
smart
code.
J
This
is
a
look
at
the
proposed
site
plan.
It's
a
series
of
five
different
buildings
that
have
two
units
each
so
a
total
of
10
units.
The
buildings
are
oriented
towards
athenian
way,
which
is
a
private
street.
In
the
ankle
crossing
development
it
does
have
private
or
public
street
frontage
along
live
oak,
both
along
the
south
property
line
and
the
west
property
line.
J
J
This
table
provides
an
overview
of
the
lot
and
building
requirements
within
the
smart
code
for
the
t4c
district.
As
far
as
building
placement
and
form
again,
these
buildings
are
proposed
to
be
oriented
towards
athenian
way.
They
are
proposing
to
construct
a
street
screen
along
the
live
oak
frontages.
This
is
to
fulfill
their
frontage
requirements.
They
are
requesting
a
few
warrants
in
relationship
to
the
street
screen
which
I'll
go
into
more
detail
here
in
just
a
minute.
J
The
building
function
is
residential.
That
is
a
permitted
use
by
right
within
this
transact
zone.
As
far
as
parking
goes,
they
are
providing
each
unit
parking
with
an
attached
garage
and
a
driveway.
The
code
would
require
a
minimum
of
one
and
a
half
spaces
per
unit
or
15
spaces.
They
are
providing
two
units,
two
spaces
per
unit,
for
a
total
of
20
spaces.
J
J
When
looking
at
the
street
screen,
the
smart
code
requires
that
a
street
screen
be
constructed
whenever
a
building
facade
is
not
at
the
frontage
line.
The
frontage
line
is
also
the
maximum
setback
established
in
the
code
on
the
site
plan.
This
blue
line
here
is
showing
where
the
proposed
street
screen
would
be
located.
It
is
required
along
the
live
oak
and
north
south
frontage,
as
well
as
the
east
west
frontage.
It's
required
along
that
frontage,
because
the
buildings
again
are
pushed
up
towards
athenian
way
so
they're
not
at
the
maximum
setback
line.
J
They
are
proposing
two
different
warrants,
one
in
relationship
to
the
location,
the
street
street
screen
and
one
for
the
material.
The
first
is
along
the
principal
frontage,
which
is
this
east-west
frontage.
Here,
the
maximum
setback
for
the
principal
frontage
is
10
feet.
They
are
proposing
to
have
the
street
screen
pushed
back
to
a
minimum
of
13
feet
for
a
majority
of
the
frontage,
but
up
to
about
20
feet
in
this
direction.
Here
for
the
street
screen,
the
additional
area
allows
for
them
to
stay
outside
of
an
existing
drainage
and
utility
easement.
J
It
also
allows
for
the
preservation
of
some
existing
mature
trees
in
this
location.
There's
also
a
lift
station
along
this
frontage
that
this
would
jog
around.
The
second
part
of
the
location.
Warren
is
for
the
secondary
frontage,
which
is
this
north-south
piece.
The
maximum
setback
for
the
second
secondary
frontage
is
five
feet.
They
are
proposing
this
again
to
be
at
13
feet,
primarily
because
there's
an
existing
drainage
and
utility
easement
in
this
area,
and
it
also
provides
additional
frontage
and
area
for
landscaping.
J
J
They
did
provide
a
drawing
in
the
site
plan,
as
well
as
a
product
detail
which
was
provided
in
the
application
materials
showing
the
fence,
as
well
as
a
variety
of
landscaping,
with
different
shapes
sizes
and
heights
along
this
frontage.
It
is
staff's
opinion
that
this
does
achieve
the
overall
intent
of
a
street
screen.
It
provides
proper
separation
and
distance
between
the
living
units
and
live
oak
frontage.
J
J
J
This
is
a
list
of
your
conditions,
they're,
primarily
pretty
standard
conditions.
It's
just
some
additional
information
that
will
need
to
be
provided
at
building
permit
stage
in
regards
to
providing
hoa
documentation,
capacity
for
the
lift
station
and
other
various
requirements,
streets,
light
lighting,
and
things
like
that.
With
that
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
D
Is
I
know
the
the
project
changed
hands?
Is
this
just
basically
looking
at
another
phase
of
the.
C
E
Does
oh,
and
it
may
already
be
on
the
on
the
plans
I
just
can't
tell
is,
is
there
sidewalks
all
the
way
around
live
oak.
J
A
Thank
you.
This
is
a
question.
Not
so
much
about
the
development
is,
is
just
something
I'm
I'm
curious
about
with
these
fences.
Is
the
street
screen
what
requirements
regarding
maintenance
do
we
have,
because
so
often,
I
see
a
variety
of
these
sorts
of
fences
that
get
in
really
bad
disrepair
and
look
horrible.
They
turn
green.
They
get
blown
over
and
and
not
put
back
up
properly.
Sometimes
do
we
have
some
teeth
to
make
sure
that
they
keep
it.
Looking
nice.
J
So
the
short
answer
is
this:
this
particular
fence
is
a
requirement
of
the
development.
So
if
something
were
to
happen
to
it,
we
have
all
the
means
to
go
and
have
it
be
repaired
specifically
and
fences
in
general
not
necessarily
depends
on
the
situation,
but
for
this
particular
case
it's
a
requirement
of
the
development,
so
it
would
have
teeth.
E
J
D
J
Yes,
the
numbers
that
they
provided
to
us
were
adequate
for
our
utilities.
Department
they've,
also
one
of
the
conditions,
was
specific
to
capacity
for
their
lift
station
and
our
utilities,
if
I
can
get
to
it
department,
just
wants
them
to
provide
verification
at
the
site.
Permit
stage
just
verifying
those
numbers.
D
We
had
a-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
triggering
mechanism
is,
but
we
had
a
discussion
if
you
remember
about
you,
know
development
and
are
there
any
contribution
or
green
space?
I
know
this
is
too
small
to
worry
about
that,
but
is
there
any
contribution
for
parks
and
recreation?
No,
that's
just
the
impact.
D
H
D
D
K
L
L
L
There
was
a
question
about
maintenance
of
the
right-of-way
of
live
oak
and
you
brought
up
the
matter
about
defense
because
I
understand
if
things
got
to
be
taken
care
of,
and
so
one
of
the
things
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
bottom
of
page,
one
of
the
staff
report
item
three
3a
hoa
is
responsible
for
the
maintenance
of
the
live
oak
street
right
away.
As
I
understand
it,
that's
from
the
curb
line
to
the
fence
to
the
fence
and
including
the
fence.
L
Now
I
understand
that
the
right-of-way
is
what
the
city
owns,
but
then
there's
easements
beyond
that,
but
I
think
the
recorded
hoa
documents
will
dictate
that
these
items
be
maintained.
So
this
is
this.
This
includes
mowing
the
grass
maintaining
this,
this
vegetation,
that
we're
planting
and
then
maintaining
specifically
or
most
importantly,
probably
the
public
side
of
the
fence.
L
L
This
was
12
town
homes
and
just
after
discussions
with
the
fire
marshal
and
some
other
issues
we
were
going
through,
we
thought
at
best
we
had
six
duplexes
here
and
I
do
believe
the
duplexes
might
have
been
slightly
narrower,
not
much,
but
we
we
went
with
five
and
five
duplexes
10
units
instead
of
the
12
units
and
gained
a
little
more
green
space
between
the
units,
and
we
that
we
did.
I
think
we
did
widen
the
units
a
little
bit,
not
much.
L
I
mean
within
a
foot
or
so,
but
so
we
we
have
10
units
10
garages,
individual
garbage
cans
inside
the
garages.
So
there
is
no
dumpster
okay.
Just
to
clarify
that
point
and
yeah
there's.
As
you
said,
there's
not
much
room
here
for
a
park.
L
You
know,
fortunately,
we
are
able
to
save
a
a
decent
amount.
I
think
of
of
the
vegetation
there's
some
nice
oak
trees
on
this
site.
Some
are
right
in
the
middle,
some
are
actually
in
a
low
area,
just
with
grading
and
whatnot
they'll
have
to
go,
but
particularly
around
the
perimeter.
It'll
have
a
nice
look
from
the
street,
but
also,
I
think
there
is
this
condition,
and
I
know
it's
not
parks,
but
I
think
we
probably
are
going
to
trigger
the
public
art
requirements.
L
L
We
will
do
things
like
they
have
actually
some
nice
street
lighting
along
their
side.
You
know
we're
going
to
repeat
that
on
our
side,
so
there'll
be
some
things
like
that:
that'll
allow
it
all
to
blend
in.
L
E
Michael
you
done
yeah,
so
my
concern,
I
think,
is
along
the
line
of
the
germans.
E
Live
oak.
Is
a
critical
street.
That's
going
to
our
sponge
docks
and
I
mean
we
I
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
a
rendering
of
a
lot
of
what
live
oak
would
look
like
I.
I
appreciate
the
rendering
on
the
athenian
wayside,
which
is
very
nice,
but
I'd
like
to
see
what
live
oak's
going
to
look
like,
because
I
think
that's
critical.
L
E
Give
us
a
sense
of
what
is
that
I
mean
if
it's
just
a
white
pvc
fence
and
and
some
and
some
brushes
you
know
how
attractive
is
that
again,
that's
right
before
people
get
to
the
sponge
stocks
so.
L
L
L
You
know
with
a
with
a
fence
post
versus
a
footer,
a
footer.
The
footer
would
take
out
a
lot
of
tree
roots,
so
we
are
trying
to
avoid
that.
F
F
Would
it
I'm
following
on
the
heels
of
his
question
and
the
gentleman's
concern
about
the
black
line?
Drawing?
Would
it
be
possible
to
get
an
elevation
of
the
live
oak
in
full,
color
that,
and
I
know,
you've
called
out
some
of
the
plants
such
as
a
podocarpus
and
some
of
the
other
things,
but
something
that
really
puts
teeth
in
it?
F
L
L
F
A
One
one
comment
is
that
you
might
want
to
consider:
there
are:
there
are
dark,
green
and
brown
versions
of
of
the
same
fence,
and,
and
certainly
something
like
that-
might
blend
in
and
look
a
little
more
natural
than
the
white,
and
also
they
don't
tend
to
show
mold
and
mildew
as
much
from
sprinkler
systems
spraying
on
them
over
time.
I
agree.
E
This
have
to
go
before
historic
president.
Is
that
an
area
that's
requires
any.
J
Correct,
so,
if
that's
something
that
the
the
planning
zoning
board
would
like
to
have
a
recommendation
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
you
can
request
that
you
know
it's
a
darker
color.
You
can
recommend
some
sort
of
you
know,
drawing
or
rendering
those
are
recommendations
you
can
make
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
because
that's
the
next
step
in
the
process.
J
C
J
C
E
F
L
F
That
would
that's
a
very
good
suggestion
and
I
know
we're
in
discussion,
but
we
would
like
to
see
that
before
we
approve
absolutely
otherwise
it's
just
a
recommendation
to
the
boc.
That's
already
overloaded
and
I'm
gonna
say
what
every
what
the
gentleman
here
is
thinking
is
that
they've
got
an
appointment
to
meet
them
right
away
and
don't
want
to
be
delayed.
L
I
agree
with
the
fence.
Color
thing
I
think
change,
I
think
a
non-white
is
a
good
idea,
and
certainly
some
color
should
be
on
a
rendering
put
to
these
plants.
The
light
the
trees,
the
mostly
live
oak
that
are
being
saved,
would
be
shown
in
that
rendering
and
depending
on
the
viewpoint,
maybe
you're,
seeing
the
rear
roof
line
of
the
homes,
and,
if
that's,
what
you're
after
we
can
easily
do
that,
I
would
just
prefer.
If
there's
a
way
to
do
this
without
delaying
us,
we
would
we
would
be
happy
to
do
it.
A
G
No
so
you're
in
a
position
where
the
board
does
not
have
the
power
to
defer
this
application,
because
you
need
more
information
in
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
It's
up
to
the
applicant
to
provide
sufficient
evidence
for
you
to
consider
to
make
the
determination
if
the
applicant
wishes
to
defer
to
next
month's
meeting.
Of
course,
then
it
would
push
back
the
board
of
commissioners
meeting
as
well.
The
applicant
has
every
right
to
do
that,
otherwise,
the
applicant
can
say
no
I'd
like
to
move
forward
tonight.
G
You
vote
on
your
recommendation
one
way
or
the
other
put
in
your
recommendations
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
What
you'd
like
to
see,
but
the
only
way
that
this
application
comes
back
before
is
if
the
application,
the
applicant
itself,
decides
that
it
wants
to
take
a
step
back
and
provide
that
additional
information.
D
So
if
we
recommended
a
more
ornate
landscaping
plan
or
recommend
a
more
suitable
landscaping
plan,
because
that
is
a
gateway
into
the
sponge
dock
area,
I
suspect-
and
I've
been
wrong
before
that.
D
D
Oh,
I
know
that,
but
I
think
making
it
I
think,
of
making
a
recommendation.
The
commissioners
understand
at
least
I
hope
they
would
understand
that
as
a
gateway
into
the
sponge
doc
area.
They
would
want
to
see
an
enhanced
landscape
plan
as
part
of
their
approval
process,
which
gives
you
a
month
to
come
up
with
a
landscape
plan
that
I
suspect,
not
only
the
commission
but
those
out
who
come
to
the
commission
meetings
who
understand
the
the
the
portal
into
the
sponge
docs
needs
to
be
much
beautiful.
D
We
need
more
beautification
into
that
area,
so
I'm
willing
to
to
make
a
motion
well
once
we
get
there,
but
but
make
a
recommendation
with
regard
to
a
requirement
that
an
enhanced
landscape
plan
be
presented.
L
E
E
We'd
the
the
applicant
for
whatever
reason,
showed
us
what
the
one
side
looks
like
but
doesn't
show
us
what
the
other
side
looks
like
and
that's
the
critical
side,
because
that's
the
side
that
you
know,
50
of
the
tourists
coming
into
tarpon
springs
are
going
to
be,
are
going
to
see,
and
I
think
it's
critical
so,
whether
that
delays
them
or
not.
That's
not
in
in
all
due
respect.
That's
that's
not
our
our
issue.
E
A
Seeing
none
would.
L
G
If
the
board
recommends
so
this
isn't
the
the
planning
and
zoning
board
functions
as
the
city's
local
planning
agency,
and
this
board
serves
an
advisory
capacity.
So
if
the
board
here
recommends
denial
with
conditions
which
it
can
do,
the
next
step
is,
it
goes
to
the
board
of
commissioners
for
consideration.
The
board
of
commissioners
will
make
the
final
determination
on
the
application.
G
Recommends
approval
with
certain
conditions.
The
same
thing
happens:
it's
a
recommendation
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
but
you
do
have
the
option
of
of
setting
this
for
a
date
certain
for
next
month's
meeting.
If
you
want
to
bring
additional
information
back,
but
you
can
also
supplement
your
application
between
this
meeting
and
the
board
of
commissioners
meeting.
L
Is
there
a
path
if
this
board
votes
no
for
us
to
come
back
and
get
this
board's?
You
know
to
to
get
this
board
to
reconsider.
G
G
Either
way
right
and
then
the
board
of
commissioners
will
make
the
final
determination.
If
they
decline
to
accept
the
application,
then
you
can
amend
the
application
and
then
you
would
be
back
before
the
planning
and
zoning
board.
But
if
they
choose
to
approve
your
application,
then
you
you're
done
with
that
part
of
the
process.
L
Yeah,
okay!
Well,
I'm
I'm!
I
I
guess
at
this
point
I'll
leave
it
to
the
board.
I
mean
we're
here
tonight
for
this
board
to
vote.
You
know,
I
hope
that
because
of
a
stated
fence
color-
and
I'm
not
sure
that
was
intended-
I
I
don't
know
how
that
came
about.
We
should
have
left
that
as
an
alternate,
but
there's
no
issue
with
with
this
fence
being
a
different
color.
L
L
You
know
the
trees
that
we
are
saving
on
either
side
of
the
fence
and
then
the
the
rear
roof
line
of
these
homes.
I
think
I
think
this
board
and
the
commission
at
the
next
meeting
would
like
what
we're
doing
so,
and
I
apologize
that
we
didn't
have
that
second
rendering,
but
I
do
believe
that
you
know
once
once
you
saw
such
a
thing.
You
would
like
what
we're
doing,
and
you
know
red
bank
investments.
L
L
A
E
Can
I
can
I
ask
a
city
attorney
a
question,
so
can
we
do
again
a
qualified
approval,
with
the
recommendation
that
a
a
specific
rendering
be
given
to
the
board
of
commissioners
that
that
that
can
we
can
we
have
in
our
in
our
approval
a
that
are
con?
Our
concern,
like
is
there
a
way
for
us
to
express
our
concerns,
still
approve
the
project
but
express
our
concerns
so
that
they
they,
so
we
can
make
sure
that
they
focus
on
that.
G
So,
certainly,
and
that's
true
of
any
application
that
comes
before
you,
you
can
recommend
approval
with
specific
conditions
that
you
recommend
approval.
As
long
as
we
got
to
see
xyz,
you
know
you
didn't
get
to
see
it,
but
you
would
recommend
approval.
If
maybe
you
got
to
see
those
things
and
then
be
specific
about
what
those
things
are.
If
we
would
approve
this
project,
if
we
got
to
see
a
full
color
rendering
of
the
project
from
live
oak
to
see
the
amount
of
vegetation
that
was
put
up
for
the
screen
street
screen
wall.
G
G
D
E
G
And
if
you
guys
too
in
your
motion,
if
you
can
make
it
specific
to
one
of
the
criteria
with
the
site
plan-
and
this
is
specific
to
the
warrant,
so
I
think
you
should
craft
your
motion
to
make
sure
you
it's
specific
to
the
warrant.
That
way,
the
commission
knows
exactly
what
the
issue
is,
and
they
can
maybe
take
a
closer
look
at
that.
The
more
specific
you
are,
in
my
opinion,
and
from
a
legal
perspective,
the
more
specific
you
are,
the
better
it
is
to
send
that
recommendation
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
F
So
before
I
make
that
motion,
I
want
to
follow
up
on
that
conversation,
because
I
actually
want
to
share
my
concern
about
how
critical
this
view
is.
We've
all
agreed
on
that
that
there
is
a
warrant
being
requested,
which
is
a
waiver.
You
know
it's
a
fancy
word
for
that
and
that
we
don't
want
to
be
surprised
two
years
from
now
as
to
how
that
looks,
and
the
gentleman
made
a
comment
that
we
can't
see
on
this
paper
is
that
there's
going
to
be
an
exposed,
sewer
pump
station
along
that
side
yeah?
F
F
F
L
L
L
F
F
Thank
you,
20-75
site
plan
approval
for
live
volca
and
cloak
river
crossings.
I
motioned
that
we
approve
with
special
conditions
and
considerations
in
regards
to
the
number
one
warrant
for
street
screen
specifically
conditioned
that
the
applicant
provide
a
detailed
elevation
and
rendering
of
the
street
screen
with
the
construction
behind
it
and
as
best
detail
and
enhanced
landscape
plan.
As
part
of
that
street
screen.
D
E
F
F
A
L
A
There
are
three
items
that
all
work
together
on
this
application:
annexation
of
property,
future
land
use,
map,
amendment
and
zoning
map
amendment.
Do
we
have
three
separate
votes
on
those
ultimately
or
is
that.
G
H
Yes,
thank
you
pat
mcneese
principal
planner.
This
is
comes
in
under
the
owner
name
of
stacy's
car
wash,
I
believe
it's
the
car
wash
is
actually
called
jalla
or
jello
express.
H
You
may
have
noticed
this
car
wash
going
up
on
the
northwest
corner
of
klostermann
and
19.,
and
this
is
a
request
to
actually
let's
get.
Basically,
this
is
about
almost
nearly
an
acre.
H
H
This
is
saint
pete
college.
This
is
in
the
municipal
limits.
This
is
the
racetrack.
That's
a
gas
station
which
is
in
the
municipal
limits
as
well.
This
is
adjacent
across
the
street,
so
it
is
required
to
be
annexed
in.
H
This
is
just
a
closer
view.
This
is
this
is
the
previous
development
that
was
on
the
site
you're
probably
familiar
it
was
it
was
a
car
wash
and
auto
sales.
H
So
the
they
do
have
city
water.
They
were
not
adjacent
to
the
city
until
racetrack
came
in,
but
now
they
need
to
expand
that
water
account
obviously
for
a
car
wash.
This
is
an
expanded
operation
over
what
was
there
before
and
they
do
need
sewer
service.
Apparently
it's
served
by
a
septic
tank
and
sewer
services
available.
H
The
previous
development
was
demolished
and
again
pinellas
county
issued
the
permits
for
that
project,
and
this
is
the
layout
basically
of
what
we've
got.
H
H
H
Now
it
is
in
the
service
area
for
all
of
our
public
facilities,
and
the
wastewater
line
will
be
extended
by
the
applicant
and
the
property
is
consistent
with
the
future
land
use
map
series
and
it
will
not
require
a
countywide
amendment,
because
it's
under
retail
and
services
now
will
continue
to
be
our
commercial
general
category
actually
allows
less
density
and
less
intensity
than
the
current
pinellas
county
zone,
future
land
use
and
zoning,
so
that
will
actually
be
decreased.
H
That
potential
with
respect
to
the
future
land
use
map
amendment
the
project
is
consistent
in
general,
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
a
car
wash
up
on
our
19
commercial
corridor,
you've
seen
at
least
one
other
one
recently-
and
this
is
this-
is
where
these
things
kind
of
are
placed
in
our
code.
In
a
highway
business,
commercial
strip,
type
environment.
H
There
are
some
items
that
do
not
conform
to
our
code,
specifically,
and
those
are
spelled
out
as
far
as
what's
non-conforming
in
the
staff
report,
the
vehicle
stacking,
the
size
of
the
dumpster
enclosure,
the
landscape
buffer
size,
they've,
got
five
foot
buffers
and
we
require
eight
eight
foot
buffers.
It
does
appear
that
they
have
more
than
the
required
than
our
required
tree
count.
So
they're
pretty
good
there.
H
The
signage
and
lighting
design
standards
that
were
adopted
several
months
back
they
will
not
be
able
to
comply
with
those,
and
the
freestanding
sign
is,
is
a
little
bit
too
close
to
the
side.
Property
line.
H
So
again,
as
far
as
the
rezoning,
this
is
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan
recognizing
those
code
inconsistencies
that
I
just
pointed
out
again.
This
is
on
the
commercial
corridor
and
it
is
appropriate.
This
is
a
use
by
right
under
our
code
for
highway
business
and
the
property
already
has
public
infrastructure
available.
H
And
the
amendment
will
not
exceed
the
capacity
of
the
city
to
serve
the
property.
I
will
say
that
there
are.
You
know
this
is
a
redevelopment
and,
in
spite
of
the
code
inconsistencies
that
I
listed,
there
are
some
pluses
for
redeveloping
this
property.
We
got
rid
of
a
not
so
great
looking
auto
sales.
H
H
H
H
H
E
Okay,
so
there's
their
city,
taxes,
yeah,
so
they're
going
to
be
fees
to
connect
to
our
sewer
and
and
such
and
then
they're
going
to
pay
for
water
and
they're,
going
to
pay
property
taxes
and
yeah.
All
that
so
we'll
have
certain
amount
of
revenue
coming
in
and
then
the
net
expenditure
of
resources
seems
incidental
right.
H
For
the
city
yeah,
the
city
will
not
be
expending
any
financial
resources
to
con
to
extend
that
sewer
line,
which
is
the
main
thing,
and
I
believe,
I'm
not
sure
the
applicant
might
know
if
they
are
paying
right
now.
The
25
percent
premium
for
not
being
an
extent,
so
they
won't
have
to
pay
that
anymore
on
your
water.
H
C
D
I
understand
that,
but
we
get
handcuffed.
We
get
handcuffed
as
a
board
that
that
somebody
will
go
to
pinellas
county.
I'm
not
saying
this
is
the
case,
but
we've
seen
this
often
where
they'll
go
to
the
county.
Get
their
approvals,
which
are
like,
like
the
chairman,
said,
are
a
lot
more
lenient
than
ours,
then,
all
of
a
sudden
they
they
because
they
have
no
other
alternative
to
a
for
utilities
that
were
forced
we're
kind
of
forced
to
annex.
G
G
Well,
as
far
as
your
position
on
the
item
because
specific
to
the
annexation,
I'll
reiterate
what
I
just
said:
it's
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding.
So
as
long
as
the
evidence
demonstrates
that
they
meet
the
criteria
for
an
annexation
into
the
city,
this
board
is
required
to
recommend
approval.
For
that.
That's
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
is
not
a
legislative
decision
where
you
can
say:
okay.
Well
what?
If
this?
What?
If
that?
That
is
something
that
the
law
is
the
law
and
as
long
as
they
meet
the
criteria,
then
you
are
required
to
annex
them.
G
F
So
I
do
have
some
questions
for
staff.
If
I
may,
does
anybody
mind?
Okay
first,
I
can't
tell
for
sure,
but
it
sure
looks
like
this
was
a
gas
station
at
one
point
in
its
life.
C
F
Okay,
super
if
we
were
to
approve
annexation
under
a
very
strange
application
of
a
building
in
progress.
Would
that
mean
that
the
permit
process
would
have
to
start
over
and
they
would
be
permitted
through
our
building
department?.
H
F
F
F
F
H
They
need
a
connection
to
expanded
water
and
to
sewer
before
they
can
apparently,
and
the
applicant
can
speak
to
this
apparently
before
they
can
go
any
further
section.
2023
of
the
city's
municipal
code
requires
that
properties
contiguous
to
the
municipal
limits
have
to
annex
in
to
receive
water
and
sewer
service.
F
H
Yes,
but
apparently
they
need
to
expand
the
gallons
per
day
over
what
was
being
used
on
site.
It's
probably
mainly
the
sewer.
That's
triggering
this
to
tell
you
the
truth.
F
D
F
C
H
To
pay
a
premium
if
they
are
not
adjacent
to
city
limits
and
they
have
to
record
a
restrictive
covenant
that
says
hey
when
I
become
adjacent
to
the
city,
I
have
to
annex
if
they
be
so
when
they
do
become
adjacent
to
the
city,
that
water
service
that
they're
getting
continue.
If
they
want
it
expanded
or
continued,
then
they
have
to
annex
in.
H
H
H
F
H
K
It
it
says
on
here
the
crc
reviewed
their
construction
plan
and
they
looked
at
their
conformance,
but
they
had
no
other
comments
on
that.
Is
there
a
reason
why
they
didn't
want
to
give
us
any
kind
of
comments
or
why
they
did
after
they
reviewed
the
city
court
court.
K
It's
on
page
seven
of
seven.
It
says
the
crc
reviewed
the
project
on
december
9th
2021,
for
instance,
in
conformance
of
the
comprehensive
zoning
and
landing
dowd.
The
trc
required
the
applicant
to
submit
a
full
plan
set
the
project
under
construction
to
allow
a
review
for
the
city
code.
There
was
no
further
comments
from
trc,
so
is
there
a
reason
why
they
weren't
giving
us
any
more
comments
or
telling
us
why
what
they
came
up
after
looking
at
that
plan,.
H
H
F
H
H
E
E
H
E
M
Hey
good
evening,
council,
commission
members,
I
apologize,
my
name
is
jairus
barby,
I'm
principal
planner
with
beacon
civil
engineering
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
troy
carter
and
the
property
owner
as
well.
M
But
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
to
try
to
move
forward
and
build
a
good
relationship
between
us
and
the
city
and
the
property
owner
here
to
bring
a
beneficial
commercial
property
into
the
city's
jurisdiction
to
provide
additional
taxes
to
the
city
as
well
as
to
construct
a
forced
main
extension,
which
will
have
the
ability
for
other
users
to
tie
in
as
well
with
that
additional
capacity
and
extension.
So
I
would.
M
M
We
want
to
be
good
developers
here
and
try
to
do
the
right
thing,
so
we
believe
that
what
we've
brought
forward
is
in
in
compliance
and
with
the
comprehensive
plan
and
policies
and
procedures,
as
well
as
the
the
land
development
regulations
for
the
annexation
and
rezoning
criteria.
I
would
like
to
to
also
note
that.
M
H
M
If,
if
the,
if
the
property
is
ever
changed
in
any
manner
that
triggers
us
to
go
back
to
that
site,
plan
review,
the
site
will
have
to
be
fully
reconfigured
to
provide
these
elements.
But
it
has
been
reviewed
by
d.o.t
as
well
as
county
traffic
engineers,
and
we
have
provided
a
safe
means
of
ingress
and
egress
to
the
property
cut
down
on
curb
cuts
there
and
and
try
to
provide
a
a
better
corner
to
to
your
city.
D
M
My
apologies-
I
did
miss
that
that
question.
I
am
not
aware
of
the
the
detail
of
that,
but
that
is
one
of
the
particular
things
that
are
reviewed
during
the
site
plan
review
to
to
make
sure
that
there
are
any
contaminants
taken
care
of.
As
far
as
with
our
approved
stormwater
management
report
and
design,
so
those
things
are
are
looked
at
and
it
had
been
looked
at
and
at
that
time
through
pinellas
county,
I'm
not
100
certain.
So
I
do
not
want
to
give
you
the
wrong
answer.
So.
L
C
M
You
know
sir,
I
was
I
was
not
I
I'm
I'm
the
principal
planner
with
the
firm
and
I
take
care
of
land
use
matters,
rezonings,
comprehensive
plan
amendments
and
typical
quasi-judicial
items
like
like
you
all
have
in
front
of
you
today.
So.
M
M
M
M
H
And
I
will
say
that
pinellas
county
storm
water
rigs
are
a
little
bit
more
stringent
than
ours
right
now.
The
other
thing
is
I'm
assuming
that
you
know
all
those
underground
tanks
are
monitored
by
department
of
environmental
protection.
That's
a
state
agency,
I'm
assuming
that
that
they
needed
to
you
know
anybody
that's
building
demolishing
like
they
did
would
have
had
to
address
the
condition
any
leakage.
A
D
A
F
B
A
A
C
A
E
A
Brings
us
down
to
item
number
nine
staff,
presentation
and
discussion.
H
C
E
At
the
next
board
of
commissioner
meeting,
they
are
entertaining
a
motion
to
to
put
a
moratorium
on
building
apartments
in
tarpon
springs,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
the
chairman
if
he
would
entertain
a
straw
vote.
E
G
A
Yeah
they
tried
to
take
it
up
at
the
last
meeting
yeah
and
it
it
got
too
late
and
they
decided
to
wait.
But
okay
was
there
other
staff
comments
before.
H
Yes,
I've
got
three
items.
First,
is
we?
The
question
came
up
this
board
and
we
have
one
other
board
that
starts
their
meeting
at
seven
o'clock.
Apparently,
that's
a
holdover
from
some
time
past.
H
We
would
like
to
ask
the
board
if
you
feel
like
a
6
30
start
time
would
be
something
you
would
want
to
do
if
so,
we'd
like
to
get
a
consensus
to
bring
back
your
rules
or
procedure
under
resolution
for
you
to
adopt
to
consider
adopting
a
6,
30
regular
start
time.
I
even
can't.
H
K
H
H
Okay,
so
I'll
bring
something
back
next
meeting
on
that,
I
handed
out
the
public
hearing
schedules
and
I
might
have
done
that
already
once
so.
That's
just
for
that
and
just
a
reminder
to
attend
the
appointed
boards
workshop
next
wednesday
at
six
o'clock
for
the
comprehensive
plan.
You
should
have
received
your
invitation
to
that.
J
College,
it's
at
the.
A
C
F
But
it
struck
me
as
curious
that
we
don't
receive
any
input
from
what
I
get
is
probably
a
very
valuable
board,
and
this
is
just
a
comment.
I
would
think
that
as
a
planning
and
zoning
board
that
they
would
see,
perhaps
the
things
that
we
see
and
as
related
would
make
comment
or
whatever
their
process
is
and
that
it
might
be.
F
It
might
be
admitted
as
the
package
that
we
get
much
like
the
trc
board.
So
I
just
find
it
curious
and
I
don't
know
what
that
process
is
or
why.
We
don't
hear
a
peep
unless
I've
been
missing
it.
The
input
from
the
sustainability
board,
because
obviously
they
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
impact
on
all
of
the
projects
that
we're
looking
at.
D
That
was
actually
somebody
had
mentioned
that
before
that
that
even
at
the
commission
level,
there's
no
there's
no,
I
guess
sometimes
recommendation
or
input
from
them,
because
I
everybody
kind
of
wondered.
What
do
they
do?
Because
it's
not
part
of
our
process.
F
D
I
understand
that,
but
when
there's
a
recommendation
that
comes
from
staff,
there's
nothing
that
says
that
they've
reviewed
any
application
or
any
so
so
the
comment
that
somebody
had
made
one
time:
what
do
they
do?
Yes,
because
that
we
know
they
meet,
they
know
they
have
recommendations
but
who
hears
or
inputs
gets
input.
I
don't
know,
do
they
input
the
staff
and
then
they.
H
H
H
H
E
Can
I
ask,
can
I
ask
a
question
of
the
city
attorney
on
one
of
the
topic
points
that
at
a
recent
forum
was
whether
or
not
the
board
of
commissioners
should
or
could
be
overruled
by?
The
boar.
Excuse
me
that
the
the
planning
and
zoning
board
a
ruling
could
be
over
ruled
by
the
board
of
commissioners.
E
G
So
no,
there
is
no
state
law
that
requires
that
all
things
must
go
to
a
board
of
commissioners
in
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
in
every
jurisdiction.
The
board
of
commissioners
serves
as
the
legislative
body
of
the
city,
so
in
some
communities
the
planning
and
zoning
board
is
not
advisory.
It
actually
has
final
decision
making
on
certain
things.
All
pieces
of
legislation
do
go
before
the
board
of
commissioners
for
finals
say
because
they
are
again
the
city's
legislative
arm,
and
that
includes
some
quasi-judicial
hearings
in
a
majority
of
communities.
G
E
G
E
Decision
making
decision
making
the
the
alternatives
now
for
the
applicant
are
either
remedy
whatever
the
deficiency
was
with
the
planning
and
zoning,
and
they
could
bring
it
back
again.
Correct.
G
E
E
G
Has
the
final
decision-making
power
so,
for
instance,
the
board
of
adjustment
in
the
city
tarpon
springs,
has
final
decision
making
power
for
variances,
whatever
decision
that
that
board
makes
is
not
appealable
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
it's
appealable
to
the
circuit
court
in
pinellas.
County
differently
is
the
heritage
preservation
board.
They
are
also
a
quasi-judicial
board
with
final
decision-making
power,
but
the
way
that
the
code
is
structured
if
they
make
a
decision
and
they
make
a
final
decision.
That
determination
is
appealable
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
C
G
G
A
One
comment
request:
I
guess
that
that
I'd
like
to
make
quickly
is
in
in
the
case
of
these
annexations
like
we
had
tonight.
I
would
like
to
ask
our
staff
and
our
legal
representative
to
put
their
heads
together
and
perhaps
come
up
with
suggestions
as
to
what
changes
could
be
made
in
our
code.