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A
I,
don't
see
a
gavel,
but
it's
it's
6
30,
it's
time
to
call
to
order
the
July
17th
2023
meeting
of
the
Tarpon
Springs
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
A
A
All
right,
I'm,
gonna,
very
quickly
run
through
our
purpose
and
Mission
thanks
for
attending
the
city
of
Tarpon,
Springs
planning
and
zoning
board
meeting.
The
purpose
of
the
planning
zoning
board
is
to
conduct
public
hearings
on
the
items
that
come
before
us.
Planning
and
Zoning.
Board
has
reviewed
the
evidence
in
the
agenda
packet
for
each
item
on
the
agenda
this
evening,
including
the
application
materials
and
the
staff
report.
The
board
will
consider
that
evidence
along
with
any
new
evidence
or
testimony
provided
at
the
public
hearing
tonight.
A
The
board
will
consider
all
the
information
provided
at
this
hearing
in
accordance
with
the
quasi-ju
quasi-judicial
procedures,
by
which
it's
bound
I'll
ask
the
City
attorney
to
explain
these
quasi-judicial
procedures
at
the
appropriate
time.
The
board
uses
these
procedures
to
judge
whether
the
application
meets
the
intent
of
the
city's
adopted,
comprehensive
plan
and
future
land
use
map
and
whether
the
application
conforms
to
the
city's
currently
adopted
Land
Development
code
and
Zoning
Atlas.
A
The
board
will
render
a
decision
on
each
item
in
the
form
of
a
recommendation
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
who
will
take
the
final
action
on
the
item.
The
General
hearing
procedure
for
each
item
called
by
the
chair,
is
as
follows:
staff
presentation,
applicant
presentation
affected
party
presentation:
if
there
is
any
public
input,
staff
and
applicant
rebuttal
and
finally
board
motion
discussion
and
vote,
can
we
or
I
do
call
the
meeting
to
order?
Can
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please
Mr.
C
A
D
This
is
a
legal
decision
regarding
the
application
before
the
board.
The
board
may
only
consider
evidence
that
the
law
considers
competent,
substantial
and
relevant
to
the
issues
arising
from
the
application
and
the
applicable
code
sections.
If
the
evidence
demonstrates
that
the
application
meets
the
code
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
law
to
approve
the
application.
D
However,
if
the
evidence
presented
does
not
meet
the
criteria
contained
in
the
code
of
ordinances,
then
the
board
is
required
by
by
law
to
find
that
to
deny
the
application
any
and
all
persons
providing
testimony
at
this
hearing
are
required
to
do
so
under
oath.
All
persons
testifying
at
this
hearing
must
give
their
name
address
and
must
indicate
whether
or
not
they
have
been
sworn
for
the
record
prior
to
proceeding
with
their
testimony.
D
Any
members
who
have
any
board
members
who
have
any
disclosures,
such
as
ex
parte
Communications
or
conflicts
of
interest.
Please
make
your
disclosures
at
the
beginning
of
the
hearing.
The
following
is
the
established
procedure,
which
will
be
followed
at
the
quasi-judicial
hearings.
First,
the
city
will
present
the
application,
and
the
applicant
may
ask
any
questions
of
the
city,
staff
and
city
city
Witnesses.
D
Then
the
applicant
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
present
their
testimony
and
evidence,
and
then
members
of
the
public
opposing
and
members
of
the
public
in
favor
of
the
application
will
be
given
the
opportunity
to
speak.
Then
a
rebuttal
will
be
offered
to
the
city
and
to
the
applicant.
The
board
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
for
deliberation
to
make
a
decision
on
this
case.
At
this
time
anybody
who's
going
to
be
speaking.
Please
stand
for
the
oath.
D
E
F
Start
Pat
I
just
want
to
make
a
disclosure
that
I
do
have
a
family
that
owns
neighboring
property
on
DOTA
Kanis,
my
father
and
two
cousins
and
then
I
also
live
on
Athens
Street.
So.
D
D
G
Good
evening
Pat
McNeese
principal
planner,
this
is
a
request
for
site
plan
approval
for
a
basically
a
food
service
or
restaurant
use.
This
is
resolution
2023-21.
G
This
is
located
on
about
680
square
feet
of
property
in
the
community
redevelopment
District
of
the
future
land
use
map,
it's
in
the
special
area
plan,
Sponge,
Docks
character
district
and
in
the
dodecanese
Avenue
Main
Street
transect
t5a
The
Proposal
is
for
a
340
40
square
foot,
building
from
which
we'll
have
food
service
basically
and
a
courtyard
style.
Outdoor
seating
area.
G
Food
will
be
served
too
through
walk-up
windows
on
the
front
and
on
the
seating
area
side,
and
there
will
be
handicap
access
to
the
service
windows
in
a
handicapped,
accessible
restroom
accessed
from
the
side
of
the
building
from
an
alley.
So
this
is
on
the
west
side
of
Athens
Street
about
75
feet
south
of
dodeconis,
and
the
applicant
is
Christine
Shand
and
we
have
Mercury
Mercury,
galarakis
and
John
Hoffman
as
the
agents,
and
they
are
here
this
evening.
G
So
this
is
where
the
site
is
it's
this
little
site
right
behind
Lori's
soaps
and
sponges
building
a
little
bit
closer
up.
So
here
is
the
commercial
building,
and
this
is
a
paved
area
with
a
sight
wall.
Existing
that's
located
there
over
here
is
the
sponge
exchange.
Maybe
you
recognize
this
is
where
the
side
Athens
Street
entrance
to
the
sponge
Exchange
there's
an
alley
here.
It's
a
10-foot
public
alley,
but
it's
a
dead
end.
Always
so
it's
paved,
but
it
is.
G
G
G
G
This
little
corner
bounded
by
the
walls
of
the
existing
building
here
to
the
South
you've
got
the
alley
and
basically
the
service
area
and
the
ramp
entering
entrance
to
the
restroom,
which
is
will
be
Ada
accessible,
so
you've
got
the
grease
trap
here.
The
garbage
totes
will
be
here,
that'll
be
in
this,
and
this
site
wall
will
remain
here.
G
The
applicant
will
be
constructing
a
handicap
ramp
along
the
front
on
this,
the
sidewalk
to
access
the
a
service
window
here
in
the
front.
G
This
is
the
floor.
Plan
gives
you
a
little
bit
better.
Look
food,
prep
areas,
service
window
here
service
window
over
to
the
north,
where
the
seating
is
the
handicapped,
accessible,
restroom
here
and
then
kind
of
the
service
area
over
here
on
the
Alley.
The
site
wall
will
remain
the
applicant
plans
to
add
a
decorative
iron,
a
little
iron
fence
on
top
of
that
site
wall
and
to
add
a
planter.
So
that'll
help
screen
whatever
little
bit.
You
can
see
of
that
service
area.
G
G
You
might
call
it
on
top
of
that
site
wall.
The
applicant
course
can
elaborate
on
the
design
when
we
hear
from
them
from
the
right,
which
will
be
the
north
end.
This
is
what
you'd
be
looking
at
from
the
seating
area.
This
is
the
service
window
and,
of
course,
along
Athens,
Street
here
and
then
from
the
south.
This.
This
is
the
site
wall
with
the
little
fence
on
top
and
the
entrance
to
the
restroom.
G
And
this
is
the
site
looking
from
the
south
and
Southwest.
These
are
the
existing
building
walls.
Here,
like
I,
said
the
site
has
a
site
wall
all
the
way
around
it
right
now,
part
of
that's
going
to
be
demolished
on
on
the
front
side
and
part
of
this.
This
part's
going
to
be
be
remaining
on
the
Alley.
These
pictures
are
taken
from
the
alley
and
you
can
kind
of
see
how
that
relates
here.
G
You
can
kind
of
see
where
that
is
in
relation
to
other
stores,
undoedekinese
I'm,
sorry
on
Athens
Street
and
looking
at
that
Athens
Street
environment,
just
to
get
a
little
more
context
here,
you're
traveling,
uphill,
going
south
from
dodecanese,
there's
the
Lori
soaps
and
sponges
here's
the
site
and
you're
going
going
up.
Sorry
Athens
Street
from
the
decanese
until
it
curves
around.
G
As
you
come
up
that
hill
you're
going
to
be.
You
know
in
this
area,
so
this
is
Athens
Street,
looking
North
down
the
hill
toward
dodecanese
and
here's
the
site
right
here,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
what
the
environment
looks
like
there
again.
Here's
the
entrance
to
the
sponge
exchange,
the
dead
end
alley
and
the
south
side
of
the
applicant
site
just
to
show
you
that
relationship
of
how
that
area
is
going
to
work.
G
So
this
project
we
have
determined,
is
consistent
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
It
is
an
allowable
use
and
a
special
area
plan
and
is
a
use
by
Wright
and
it
does
fulfill
the
intent
of
the
Sponge
Docks
character
district
and
that
intent
is
given
in
your
staff
report
on
page
two,
it
does
meet
the
smart
code
and
the
Land
Development
code.
There
are
some
what
are
called
warrants,
we'll
talk
about
in
a
minute
that
we're
recommending
those
are
outlined
in
the
staff
report.
G
The
traffic
does
have
a
number
associated
with
it
three
three
peak
hour
trips,
but
this
really
is
a
pedestrian
oriented.
It's
meant
for
a
walk-up
customers,
so
there's
obviously
no
parking,
there's
no
parking
required
and
really
there's
no
parking
around
except
I,
guess
on
Athens
Street,
but
this
is
to
serve
pedestrians
and
bicyclists.
Really
so
concurrency
is
good
and
the
project
is
expected
to
meet
the
city's
building
codes,
so
the
flood
elevation
required
here.
This
is
in
ae8.
G
And
the
city
requires
one
foot
of
free
board,
so
it's
a
nine
foot
required
flood
elevation.
The
applicant
has
opted
to
dry
flood
proof
the
building.
Instead,
that
can
be.
You
know
we
can
elaborate
on
that.
If
you
have
questions,
but
basically
the
idea
is
that
they
would
use
flood
barriers
and
that
information
is
in
your
packet
to
prevent
flood
waters
from
entering
the
building
in
a
building
like
this
on
a
site
like
this,
it's
it's
practical
to
do.
The
building
department
has
looked
at
this
and
it's
you
know
it's.
G
So
let's
talk
about
the
warrants
in
your
staff
report
and
a
little
bit
more
about
the
design.
We've
spelled
out
the
intent
of
the
smart
code
on
pages
three
through.
G
Okay,
the
the
smart
code,
as
you
all
know,
you've
worked
with
it.
Some.
It
is
really
focused
on
form
more
so
than
use
and
really
tries
to
create
or
continue
a
form.
That's
already
there
and
resolve
conflicts
with
like
a
flexible
approach.
One
of
those
flexible
approaches
is
Warriors
is
warrants
and
basically
warrants.
G
Are
a
physical
and
dimensional
or
dimensional
deviation?
So
that's
what
the
smart
code
says
there's
two
ways:
you
can
deviate
a
warrant
or
a
variance
and
into
the
smart
code.
It
can
be
for
things
like
it
can
be
to
Grant
something
where
there
is
no
standard
like
parking,
so
parking
in
an
industrial
transect
is
done
by
warrant.
It
can
be
used
to
adjust
things
a
little
bit.
It
can
be
used
to
waive
things
if
you
need
to
it's
spelled
out
throughout
this
code,
where
you
can
use
words.
G
G
Street,
so
the
rear
is
going
to
be
right
up
against
the
existing
building
as
you're.
Also
familiar
smart
code
usually
wants
maximum
setbacks
right
zero
to
whatever
for
the
fronts
and
the
sides,
the
back
setback
or
rear
setback
is
a
minimum
of
five
in
this
case,
and
smart
code
wants
some
a
minimum,
a
lot
of
the
time
for
the
rear
setback,
because
it
assumes
it's
going
to
be
the
utilitarian
to
service
area.
That
sort
of
thing-
that's
not
what
we
have
here.
G
So
your
service
area
is
over
here
on
the
Alley
and
that's
where
those
uses
and
that
handicap
entrance
is
going
to
be
so
an
adjustment
by
warrant
to
zero.
For
that
rear
setback
is
appropriate.
Here,
it's
consistent
with
the
building
form,
that's
already
in
place,
with
buildings
being
closed
or
connected
to
each
other.
In
this
area.
G
G
Four
of
your
staff
report
talks
about
the
form
for
the
T5
transact
all
those
t5a
t5b,
those
are
all
into
T5
urban
center
transect
and
the
words
used
there,
such
as
a
tight
network
of
streets,
wide
sidewalks
buildings
set
close
to
the
sidewalks,
substantial
pedestrian
activity,
frequent
retail
Frontage,
shallow
setbacks,
or
none
and
buildings
oriented
to
the
street,
defining
a
street
wall.
So
that's
what
this
this
section
wants.
So
it
wants
that
95
percent
furnace.
G
In
this
case,
we
feel
like
the
existing.
This
is
only
what
did
I
put
I.
Think
68
percent
there's
already
going
to
be
a
sight
wall
remaining
here,
so
they're
going
to
keep
that
plus
landscape
it
and
put
the
little
fence
there
are
already
walls
bordering
here
and
what
you've
got
here
is
a
little
Courtyard
seating
area.
G
So
the
idea
is
to
attract
pedestrians,
to
create
intimacy
or
relationship
between
a
pedestrian
environment
and
the
use
we
feel
like
this
Courtyard
does
that
very
well,
so
we're
recommending
that
the
building
building
Frontage
be
allowed
to
go
to
66
is
what's
proposed
shop
front
glazing.
That
is
a
requirement
if
you
have
a
shop
front
form
of
building
which
this
is.
It's
got
an
awning
that
that
complies
with
this
code.
It
wants
a
store
window,
so
that
is
required
or
advised
in
this
code.
In
this
case,
it's
obviously
not
practical
to
do.
G
Storefront
windows
there's
no
reason
to
invite
the
public
into
the
store
with
a
storefront
window
because
they
aren't
going
in
they're
just
outside
using
the
service
window.
So
we
recommended
that
the
glazing
requirement,
in
other
words
the
windows
storefront
windows,
be
waived.
So
that
was
the
third
one.
G
So
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
project
with
four
conditions,
the
first
one
being
that
just
to
remind
the
applicant
that
that
handicap
accessible
ramp
on
the
city,
sidewalk
will
need
to
be
part
of
the
building,
permit
design
and
we'll
need
a
right
of
realization
permit
and
I
should
have
pointed
it
out,
but
just
just
as
an
FYI
you,
you
are
probably
familiar
with
a
couple
of
these
ramps
on
city
sidewalks
down
here.
G
There's
one
in
front
of
Alas
and
there's
one
right
here
on
the
side
of
Lori
soaps
and
sponges,
so
it'll
be
similar
to
that,
and
then
the
other
three
conditions
would
be
just
construction
plants
consistent
with
this,
with
the
approved
site
plan
developers
responsible
for
meeting
the
codes
getting
other
permits
that
are
required
and
the
site
plan
has
to
be
filed.
Sorry,
the
building
permit,
has
to
be
filed
within
one
year
of
site
plan
approval.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
this.
A
D
But
what
I
did
ask
staff
to
do
is
to
include
in
the
resolution
a
specific
finding
that
says
that
you're
making
the
required
findings
to
Grant
the
warrants
and
they're,
not
as
extensive
as
they
are
with
like
a
variance
where
you
have
all
this
lengthy
criteria.
What
you
are
actually
charged
with
finding
is
whether
or
not
the
warrants
meet
the
intent
of
the
code.
So
that's
what
the
revision
to
the
resolution
is
going
to
say
it's
going
to
say
that
you
are
finding.
A
Okay
and
one
other
question
the
the
overhangs
or
the
the
for
the
service
window
and
so
forth,
actually
go
off
of
the
property
on
on
typical
projects.
Not
in
this
District,
we
we
wouldn't
have
things
actually
going
off
of
the
property
in
the
in
this
case,
I'm,
not
saying
that
that's
a
problem
I
just
want
to
understand
what
allows
it
in
this
case
that
would
not
allow
it
in
in
other
situations,.
G
It
is
similar
to
downtown
a
lot
of
the
other
parts
of
the
docks,
and
what
what
this
and
in,
in
those
two
cases
really
this
this
code
form
is
trying
to
continue
and
mimic
and
continue
what's
down
here,
but
yeah
it's
required
to
be,
and
I
can
look
it
up.
There's
I
think
up
to
three
feet
over
the
sidewalk
and
then
there
obviously
it
has
to
be
a
certain
height
eight
feet,
I
believe
so
that
people
won't
hit
their
head
on
it.
H
Questions
yes,
thank
you
chairman,
and
thanks
for
the
presentation,
Pat,
my
only
concern
with
with
what
you
showed
here
and
and
was
included
in
the
the
packet,
the
sidewalk
with
since
you're,
going
to
be
adding
this
ramp
area,
and
you
can
see
it
on
the
the
picture
of
the
adjoining
property
where
there
are
some
poles
and
Planters
also
present
on
the
sidewalk.
H
How
obstructive
do
you
feel
that's
going
to
be
to
pedestrians,
walking
back
and
forth,
which
is
your
primary
source
of
access
to
this
this
project
and
desirably
so
that
they
won't
have
to
delve
into
the
road,
because
it's
kind
of
a
one
lane
each
way
sometimes
busy
traffic,
especially
on
busy
days?
Will
there
be
access
for
pedestrians
to
avoid
the
ramp
and
avoid
the
street?
At
the
same
time,.
G
G
E
G
Pass
by
but
some
of
the
other
ones,
maybe
you've
noted
done
or
people
will
use
that
that,
like
the
one
in
front
of
us
I
know
they
do
use.
But
but
it's
it's
going
to
be
meant
for
both.
I
G
Well,
you
know
they
should
they
should
be
able
to
to
walk
past
them
with
the
width
that
we
would
require.
I
mean
like
I,
say
you
know
as
far
as
the
the
width
of
a
wheelchair,
they
should
be
able
to
walk
around
it
now.
Will
there
be
people
stopping
and
ordering
you
know,
and
a
little
bit
of
congestion,
yeah,
okay,
so
I
guess
it's
that.
G
Well,
you
know,
people
waiting
for
a
seat
of
the
law
is
a
good
example
and
you
know:
will
people
be
forced
out
into
the
street
I
mean
some
people
are
going
to
go
out
in
the
street
and
walk
around
can't
get
around
and
have
people
do
it
down
there.
But
we
feel
like
there's
enough
room
here
to
accommodate
everybody.
G
I'm
sure
you
know,
and
maybe
the
applicant
can
explain
once
someone
orders
it
could
be.
They
wait
around
a
corner
or
something
like
that.
They
probably
wouldn't
all
be
sitting
there
waiting
for
their
orders.
So
when,
when
they
explain
the
project,
they
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
how
it
operates.
D
I
did
have
a
question
regarding
the
exhibits
to
the
resolution.
Okay,
there
was
eight
pages
in
the
backup
materials
that
were
provided,
and
some
of
them
have
floor.
Plans
that
differ
from
this,
particularly
what
I'm,
I'm
looking
at
and
kind
of
questioning
is
the
ones
that
show
not
only
the
16
seats
but
that
also
Show
additional
12
seats
that
look
like
they're
on
the
sidewalk
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
from
an
earlier
concept
feet.
E
G
But
then
down
here
the
seats,
yes,
that
that
was
removed
from
the
site
plan
I
put
up
here.
That
would
be
if
the
applicant
wants
to
do
it
and
can
do
it
a
Sidewalk
Cafe,
that's
not
a
part
of
this,
so
they
aren't
approving
a
Sidewalk
Cafe,
it's
not
before
them.
So
that's
on
the
city,
sidewalk,
so
I
guess
I
could
have
had
the
applicant
take
that
off
of
there,
but
they
took
it
off
of
the
first
page,
which
is
the
approved
site
plan.
My.
F
So
I
have
some
questions
Pat.
In
regards
to
that,
though,
I
would
like
to
mention
that
those
seats
on
the
cities
that
are
they're
not
to
scale.
G
F
G
Partly
my
fault
I
asked
the
applicant
to
remove
and
he
did
remove
from
this,
but
to
attach
I
attached
the
full
plan
and
I
forgot
to
have
them,
remove
it
from
that
other
plants.
F
G
G
F
F
I
feel
like,
and
it's
kind
of
a
question
but
I
also
I
kind
of
just
want
you
to
confirm
it
because
I
know
the
answer,
but
it's
technically
I
understand
the
definition
of
a
dead
end
alley.
It
does
fit
that
because
I
think
the
definition
is
that
only
people
that
can
access
it
something's
through
a
key
or
special
access,
makes
it
a
dead
end
alley.
Is
that
correct.
F
Can't
do
it
used
yeah,
it's
huge.
That
is
so.
My
concern
is
well.
First
of
all,
there
is
access
through
that's
a
gate
there
that
can
open.
It
opens
to
The
Exchange,
and
those
fences
in
the
back
actually
include
property
from
the
stores
in
the
front
that
are
allowed
to
build
out
five
feet
from
that
fence.
F
And
that
is
all
the
construction
that's
done
on.
Those
properties
is
done
through
that
alley,
so
that
DOTA
Kanis
that's
the
front
of
the
other
side.
Yes,
so
my
concern
is,
if
the
which
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
use
the
alley
for
construction
vehicles
and
whatnot,
because
we're
not
going
to
want
to
Block
Athens,
which
the
peak
hours
for
Athens
are
12
hours
24
hours
a
day.
F
F
The
only
way
we
access
the
stores
through
the
bag-
okay,
so
if
they're
going
to
use
it
for
construction,
that's
fine,
but
then
once
you
allow
12
feet
through
there
for
the
Ada,
you
will
then
obstruct
those
other
properties
from
using
that
for
construction
for
the
same
purpose,
and
then
they
will
have
to
be,
and
then
my
concern
also
is
similar
to
what
happened
on
backdrafts
during
you
know.
Covid
is
you
know
they
try
to
take
over
a
whole
street
and
it
was
actually
even
considered.
H
F
Taking
this
over
and
then
by
then
just
taking
other
people's
property
rights
away,
because
the
only
way
to
then
build
or
do
any
construction
on
these
buildings
would
have
to
be
from
DOTA
Kanis.
G
F
F
F
J
You
know
I'm
sorry,
Renee
Vincent
planning
a
zoning
director
so
when
a
Project's
reviewed,
so
this
is
a
new
building.
It
has
to
meet
Ada
accessibility
requirements
as
part
of
the
construction
process.
So
you
know
the
the
potential
you
know
so
they're
they're,
you
know
opting
to
do
the
same
type
of
of
of
small
ramp
within
the
right-of-way
along
Athens
Street
that
you
see
them
in
a
couple
other
places.
You
know
they're
trying
you
know
to
the
because
they
don't
want
to
elevate
the
property.
J
J
F
Seating
and
stuff
and
we'll
get
in
the
discussion
and
talk
about
that.
But
my
concern
more
so
is
the
alley
using
the
alley
for
Access,
but
then
saying
well
it's
but
it's
not
their
property.
But
you
have
you.
If
you
You're
Gonna,
how
can
you
guarantee
access
but
then
tell
without
with
other
vehicles
parking
there
like
if
it's
it's
public
property.
J
J
The
building
department
will
will
work
with
them
when
they
go
through
permitting
to
you
know,
to
have
a
a
plan
in
place
for
you
know
where
their
contractors
are
going
to
park,
and
you
know,
obviously
they
have
to
bring
materials
into
the
site.
But
they're
not
you
know,
but
they
shouldn't
be
parking
there
and
taking
up
space
24
7.,
but
they'll.
J
F
Be
they'll
have
to
be
there
right,
I
mean
I
think,
but
then
it's
because
it's
the
entrance
into
the
there's
there's
three
there's
two
gift
shops
in
a
coffee
shop
right
behind.
All
of
that
that
is
right.
Did
people
used
to
access
for
their
construction
purposes?
Sure
so
my
concern
is
that
handicap
you
can't
have
it
sometimes
and
not
other
times
so.
E
J
Well,
from
a
just
from
a
functional
standpoint
during
construction
at
any
point
in
time,
if
this
gets
blocked
off
and
it's
blocking
access
to
somebody
else,
then
somebody
just
needs
to
call
the
police
department.
They
will
come
and
remedy
the
situation.
I
mean
functionally
so,
but
just
like
you
know,
these
people
have
you
know
pedestrian
access
and
maybe
they're
driving
down
their
parking
behind
the
building.
I
have
no
idea,
I,
don't
think
they
probably
are.
But
you
know
this
this.
This
development
is
entitled
to
access
as
well
yeah.
J
J
On
the
Alley
so
so
and
and
the
applicant
may
be
able
to
explain
some
of
the
Ada
accessibility
issues
but
but
functionally
they
have
to
be
able
to
provide
an
ADA
approved
access
to
the
bathroom
and
so
that
yeah,
so
that
and
then
so.
That
is
the
issue.
So
in
this
instance
you
know
and
we'll
look
at
the
condition
of
the
alley
as
well
to
make
sure
that
someone
functionally
can
actually,
you
know
wheel,
a
wheelchair
down
there
and
go
up
and
use
it.
So
so
it's
not
in
any
it's.
J
J
Accessibility
for
everybody,
absolutely
absolutely
yeah
yeah.
What
I
had
had
it
recommended
condition
of
approval.
J
Yeah
regarding
the.
G
G
B
Can't
tell
what
page
number
it
is,
but
I
got
a
question
under
review
standards.
Comprehensive
plan
map
last
sentence
site
currently
exceeds
the
impervious
ratio
ISR
of
0.9
currently
and
we'll
continue
as
an
existing
condition
that
predated
both
the
smart
code,
the
Land
Development
code,
the
lot's
paved
obviously.
B
But
two
wrongs
don't
make
a
right
and
I
know
it's
only
0.10,
which
is
a
small
footage,
but
is
that
the
best
decision
to
allow
a
pep
on
the
impervious
surface
ratio?
And
then
therefore,
does
that
mean
that
every
business
is
virtually
everything
down?
There
was
built
prior
to
the
smart
code
and
the
LDC.
So
does
that
mean
that
forever
that
no
one
has
to
meet
the
impervious
ratios
and
I'm
going
to
add
just
a
little
bit
to
that
I?
B
G
Yes,
so
that
and
I
was
looking
to
see
if
I
put
the
code
site-
I'm,
not
sure
I've
gotten
it
in
here,
but
our
stormwater
code,
Retro
Fitness,
section
I-
think
it's
14103
actually
gives
them
that
pass.
So
this
is
already
paved
completely,
and
if
you
are
not
creating
impervious
surface,
then
you
don't
have
to
come
up
to
coat
on
stormwater
I
would
agree,
there's
a
lot
of
properties
down
at
the
Docks
that
that
would
be
true
of
if
you
were
expanding
an
existing.
You
know
use.
G
Once
you
get
into
you've,
seen
some
of
them
Beyond
30
percent,
adding
floor
area
to
something
and
therefore
new
impervious.
That's
where
the
the
storm
water
code
will
kick
in
at
a
certain
threshold.
In
this
case,
there's
no
threshold,
because
it's
paved
already
you're,
not
adding
anything,
and
it
specifically
says
that
you
don't
have
to
well
come
up
to
the
current
code.
B
H
B
G
Assume
we'd
have
to
ask
the
applicant,
but
my
understanding
is
still
yeah.
They'll
have
to
do
something
structural,
but
yeah
they're
going
to
build
it
on
top
of
what's
there,
but
we
can
ask
the
applicant
okay
But
to
answer
the
question.
G
We
can
certainly
suggest
that
the
app
we
can
do
that
this
particular
one
is
not
a
warrant.
They
actually
meet
the
code.
The
code
gives
them
the
pass
already
I,
don't
know
if
they'd
be
interested
in
talking
with
you
about
that
or
not
I
guess,
they'd
have
to
break
up
or
remove
concrete
I,
don't
know
what's
under
there
or
how
deep
it
is.
I
mean
it's
an
old,
it's
an
old
area.
It's
probably
been
there
for
many
many
years,
but
you
could
certainly
talk
to
the
applicant
about
that
possibility.
F
Thank
you
for
I,
moved
to
the
applicant.
I
did
have
a
question,
I
understand
it.
It's
currently,
you
know
within
the
code
but
I.
You
know
we
met
last
week
about
the
his.
You
know.
The
Greek
Town
survey.
That's
going
out
right
now.
So
it's
you
know,
I
know
when
we
have
upcoming
legislation,
changes
or
code
changes,
we've
kind
of
factored
that
into
our
decisions
and
I
I.
Don't
want
to
just
leave
that
out
that
we're
currently
also
sending
the
city.
You
know
the
residents
about
questions
about.
How
do
we
protect
Greektown?
E
F
Yet
we're
just
kind
of
like
no,
but
currently
it
fits
everything.
I
think
we
should,
instead
of
setting
up
something
that
we
know,
isn't
the
the
vision.
I
just
kind
of
I
mean
I,
think
that
should
at
least
be
noted
that,
even
though
it
might
currently
fit
everything,
we
also
have
a
vision
plan.
I
mean
we're
actively
sending
out
a
survey
to
Residents
about
Greektown
and
how
we
can
protect
it.
D
G
Yeah
and
this
particular
was
a
storm
water
requirement
which,
which
would
be
something
to
discuss.
I
will
tell
you
if
you
haven't
kept
up
with
it.
We
do
have
a
you
know,
a
three-phased
major
project,
going
on
at
the
docs
to
deal
with
storm
water.
There
have
been
some
down,
this
street
are
Ferris
and
whatever
the
Third
Street
is
maybe
Hill
Street
I
can't
remember:
we've
already
got
backflow
valves
in
so
that
was
the
first
phase,
we're
doing
the
vaulting
we're
doing
the
new
expanded
storm
water
receiving
on
those
streets.
G
E
A
G
K
The
one
thing
that
was
brought
up
about
the
parking
in
the
alley-
none
of
us-
had
the
right
to
park
there
and
leave
our
cars
there,
which
they
do
nowadays
back
when
it
was
given
to
the
Pappas
family,
my
father
Mrs
franzi,
which
is
the
granddaughter
or
the
grandmother,
I'm,
sorry,
Mrs,
Pappas
and,
and
we're
talking
the
older
people,
of
course,
and
my
aunt
Duchess
our
first
that
just
passed
away.
K
They
did
not
get
the
five
feet
of
that
alley,
that
is
adjacent
to
the
Pampas
project
or
the
sponge
Exchange
and
our
family.
That
owns
it.
But
we
were
not
it's
not
a
parking
lot.
K
Spark
the
car
shouldn't
leave
them
there,
which
we
have
no
intent
of
doing.
If
there's
any
questions
for
John
Hoffman
he's
helping
me
out
with
the
the
building
aspects.
K
It
was
a
great
concept,
always
busy
and
it
gave
you
a
good
product
and
that's
what
we're
looking
to
do
too
yeah.
F
L
Made
that
very
clear,
so
the
one,
the
one
thing
that
you
brought
up
about
the
sidewalk
I,
don't
think
I
explained
that
to
Pat
was
the
the
window.
That's
on
the
sidewalk
side
is
basically
to
view
into
the
into
the
kitchen
area.
To
see
people
in
there
working,
but
not
to
serve
out
of
the
main
service
would
go
into
the
patio
area.
L
L
The
four
tables
I'm,
sorry
against
the
against
it
would
be
against
the
wall
kind
of
where
the
where
the
window
is,
it
would
be
if
you
were
standing
inside
it'd,
be.
G
Yes,
so
they
they're
going
to
have
toads
they'll,
be
they'll,
be
you
know,
putting
their
trash
back
here
and
being
able
to
put
it
out
in
the
morning
from
back
here.
I
G
L
It's
in
the
totes,
the.
G
F
G
L
L
L
F
G
F
G
J
K
F
E
F
H
F
Basic
you
know
just
looking
at
the
actual
property
like
how
many
square
feet
is
the
handicap
bathroom
gonna,
take
of
the
building.
G
E
G
F
L
D
What
you
can
add
the
condition
that
they
amend
the
exhibits,
it's
just
to
make
sure
that
it's
very
clear
for
what's
moving
forward,
so
that
would
be
a
fifth
condition
is
to
amend
the
exhibits
to
make
sure
that
the
gone
yeah
that
those
are
gone.
Okay,.
K
And
I
had
one
thing:
also
I,
don't
know
how
many
times
I'll
give
them
by
there,
but
I'm
pretty
tired
of
going
down
there
and
having
garbage
just
throwing
on
this
piece
of
property
I'm
trying
we're
trying
to
make
something,
look
nice
and
continue
with
something.
That's
just
an
empty
lot
that
maybe
it'll
draw
people
up,
Athens
Street
we're
planning
to
do
something.
Nice
and
I.
Just
don't
I
mean
it's!
It's
a
shame
that
people
go
by
there
from
the
other
businesses
and
throw
their
boxes
there
and
I
have
to
go.
K
Auntie
Mr
have
to
pay
somebody
to
go.
Do
that
again
we're
trying
to
make
something
nice
for
everybody
for
our
visitors
that
love
to
come
to
Tarpon
Springs!
That's
what
we're
for
bring
as
many
people
to
Tarpon
Springs
and
show
our
time
off.
I!
Don't
know
some
people
just
don't
like
that.
But
I've
run
many
festivals
down
there
with
the
sponge
Merchants
Association
and
we
brought
a
lot
of
people
to
tarp
and
some
people
don't
want
people
to
come
to
Tarpon
Springs,
but
we
surely
would
like
to
enjoy
our
town.
A
A
M
Tina
bugavalas
115
Athens
Street
about
four
blocks
away
from
this
location
and
I
I
was
sworn
in
in
order
to
testify.
I
would
also
like
to
add
that
I
serve
as
the
president
of
the
Greek
Town
preservation
and
Heritage
Association.
So,
first
a
little
history
in
2014,
the
national
register
of
historic
places
listed
the
Greektown
historic
district.
M
It
fulfills
all
criteria
for
a
regular
historic
district,
but
with
an
extra
overlay
of
significance
for
its
traditional
culture
based
on
the
Greek
community
and
the
sponge
industry,
Greektown
encompasses
residences,
working
Waterfront
and
businesses
and
as
detailed
in
the
National
register,
nomination
most
commercial
buildings
along
Athens
Street
are
one
story
frame
and
masonry
vernacular
in
Florida,
most
early
20th
century
masonry
vernacular
buildings
were
brick
with
some
ornamentation.
Typically
brick
corbels
embellishing
a
straight
parapet,
most
had
a
symmetrical
facade,
stylized
panels
or
tiles
cylinder
belt
courses
and
storefronts
with
paneled
wooden
doors
Etc.
M
The
ganatos
building,
which
is
on
the
Southeast
corner
of
Athens
and
dodecanives,
is
an
example
of
that
kind
of
building.
Also
wood
frame
commercial
buildings
generally
were
one
or
two
stories
with
Gable
hip
or
a
flat.
Roofs
often
obscured
by
a
parapet
most
had
a
rectangular
plan
with
a
narrow
profile
facing
the
street
Wood
Products
served
as
exterior
walls
and
exterior
decoration
was
minimal
and
canopies
often
shaded
the
storefronts
so
there's
a
particular
kind
of
vernacular
architecture
in
Greektown,
which
is
Florida
vernacular,
not
Greek
vernacular
but
Florida
vernacular.
M
Now
tourism
is
the
economic
engine
of
Tarpon
Springs
and
particularly
the
Sponge
Docks,
but
what
we
have
is
cultural
tourism
with
visitors
that
are
seeking
to
experience,
Greek
and
Maritime
culture.
Indeed,
one
of
the
reasons
for
the
very
high
failure
rate
among
new
businesses
is
that
they
have
not
offered
what
the
tourists
are
seeking.
Such
was
undoubtedly
the
case
with
the
recent
short-lived
bright,
yellow
hot
dog
restaurant
that
operated
for
less
than
a
year
on
Athens
Street,
almost
directly
across
from
this
proposed
site.
M
Unfortunately,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
building
that
does
not
align
with
District,
architectural
or
cultural
Traditions.
The
request
to
build
a
340
square
foot,
retail
Food,
Service,
building
with
walk-up
service
windows
and
limited
outdoor
seating
is
kind
of
like
in
a
mobile
food
truck.
M
If
anything,
there
might
be
a
touch
of
Mediterranean
Revival
in
the
shape
of
the
window
on
the
street,
but
that's
about
it,
but
that's
not
typical
of
the
district
and
now,
as
noted
in
the
staff
report,
the
intent
and
purpose
of
the
smart
code
demands
that
number
D,
and
you
can
see
this
in
your
in
the
materials
that
were
posted
architecture
and
landscape
design
should
grow
from
local
climate
topography,
history
and
building
practice,
and,
moreover,
section
106
of
the
National
Historic
preservation
act.
M
M
As
you
heard,
the
city
has
begun
the
Greek
Town
historic
district
Vision
plan
project,
which
will
ultimately
include
guidelines
for
development
and
renovation.
The
wise
course
of
action
is
to
defer
such
projects
so
that
they
will
be
in
compliance
with
the
guidelines
which
we
hope
might
be
available
by
the
end
of
the
year.
M
We
with
the
Greektown
preservation
Association
welcome
more
buildings
that
reflect
our
vernacular
Architectural
Traditions,
but
the
district
should
be
protected
from
inappropriate
and
incompatible
development,
and
we
can
begin
by
not
granting
variances
if,
if
this
does
not
conform
to
things
like
the
smart
code
and
also
now
that
was
about
what
I
had
to
say,
but
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
I
think
Ms
Francis
is
correct
about
what
she
says
about.
The
sidewalk
I
have
walked,
I
live
on
that
street
I've
walked
up
and
down
that
street.
M
A
Let's
see
the
the
staff
actually
gets
to
respond
first,
if
they
if
they
want
to
but
but
then
yes
does.
The
staff
have
a
rebuttal.
G
There
are
no
set
architectural
guidelines
in
the
smart
code,
the
building,
and
if
we
want
to
ask
the
applicant
about
that,
I
mean
they're
they're.
Basically,
the
building
behind
it
is
is
kind
of
a
stucco
finish.
The
sponge
exchange
next
door
is
my.
My
understanding
is
that
that
this
one
will
be.
Basically,
we
can't
really
require
a
specific
architecture.
G
As
you
know,
we
can't
we
can't
hold
up
the
application
for
for
a
future
project
that
this
application
is
is
here.
It
needs
to
be
considered.
So
if
you
want
to
ask
the
applicant
more
about
the
architecture,
that's
up
to
you
but
yeah,
we
don't
have
a
set
standard
for
the
architecture.
H
G
Mean
the
building
yeah,
you
know
the
big
thing
about
this
building
is
it's
close
to
the
ground.
The
applicant
is
investing,
will
be
investing
a
significant
amount
of
money
to
drive
flood
proof
this.
Otherwise
it
would
be
I
forget
the
elevation
on
site,
but
five
six
feet
in
the
air
and
somehow
you
know
what
I
mean
so
so
that
is
an
effort
to
kind
of
conform
to
the
scale
of
the
area
and
keep
it
at
the
street
level.
G
That's
probably
the
biggest
expense
that
the
applicant
will
go
to
to
do.
That.
G
D
Okay,
thank
you
and
then.
D
Is
it
a
variance
or
warrants
that
are
being
requested
for
this
property
warrants
and
are
the
warrants
that
are
requested
within
the
code
itself?
Yes,.
K
L
Of
the
Greek
Community
down
there,
they
a
lot
of
the
buildings
are
not
were
started
as
as
regular
Victorian,
Bungalows
and
Victorian
vernacular.
So
so
that's
that's
where
the
the
Greek
Community
the
housing
comes
along,
but
the
commercial,
the
commercial
part
of
this
we
I
did
follow.
What
was
what
we
did
at
the
sponge
Exchange,
which
was
trying
to
be
sympathetic.
L
We
left
the
Bell
Tower
and
the
and
the
the
entry
to
the
sponge
exchange
back
back
when
we
did
the
sponge
exchange,
so
this
building
was
just
to
be
in
in
that
same
flavor,
a
simple
masonry
building
with
the
arched
window,
but
the
but
the
the
canopy
and
there's
two
reasons
for
the
masonry
one
one.
With
this.
We
have
to
deal
with
the
flood
flood
issues,
so
we
had
to.
L
It
was
very
difficult
to
to
flood
an
old
board
and
Baton
wooden
structure,
so
the,
but
the
masonry
is
totally
in
keeping
with
what
what
I've
seen
in
the
dodecanese
islands.
So
to
me
it's
it
would
be
it's.
It
is
in
keeping
and
the
the
awnings
that
that
I'm
proposing
are
really
taken
from
trying
to
attempt
to
recreate
the
awning.
That
is
just
down
the
street
a
little
bit
on
the
old
coffee
shop.
L
There
was
coffee
shop
down
there
that
is
kind
of
on
the
corner,
but
it
had
very
long
big
overhangs,
and
that
was
that
was
part
to
me.
The
biggest
part
of
Athens
Street
when
I
was
a
little
kid
growing
up
so
I'm
very
sensitive
to
the
historic
vernacular
of
the
street
in
the
area
and
and
we've
done
everything
that
we
can
to
comply
with
with
those
things.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
you
know
we're
not
just
putting
up
a
block
building,
because
it
looks
like
a
7-Eleven.
L
We
did
it
to
be
sympathetic
with
what
is
going
on
next
door,
which
is
the
sponge
Exchange
and
and
bring
it
tying
in
a
little
bit
of
what
was
on
the
coffee
shop
down
the
street.
So
that's
that's
I!
Just
wanted
this
make
sure
the
board
understood
that
it
wasn't
just
a
blind
building
sitting
sitting
on
there.
It
was
with
all
due
respect
to
the
historic
preservation
board.
L
A
You
okay,
thank
you
at
this
time.
It
brings
it
back
to
the
board
for
consideration.
We
need
to
start
with
a
motion
in
a
second
and
then
we
can
have
board
discussion.
D
B
So,
hypothetically,
if
there
was
a
motion
to
approve,
it
would
include
the
preliminary
staff
recommendations
type
one
through
four,
an
addition
of
the
fifth
for
a
submittal
revision
of
a
site
plan
that
we'd
like
to
have
removed.
And
but
where
do
we
fit
in
the
warrants?
Since
they
seem
to
be
a
point
of
importance?.
D
The
warrants
what
it's
going
to
be,
and
what
I'm
asking
them
to
include
it
in
is
the
findings
in
the,
whereas
Clauses,
so
that
when
you
do
move
approval
or
denial,
that
it'll
specifically
say
if
it
moves
forward
that
you're
finding
that
the
intent
of
the
code
is
met
with
the
requested
warrants
and
that's
the
language
that
I
would
be
looking
to
be
included
in
the
resolution,
and
you
can
even
add
that
as
a
sixth
condition,
so
that
again,
that's
clear
and-
and
that's
what's
required
by
the
code-
is
that
you
have
to
make
a
finding
and
it's
it's
a
finding
a
fact
in
order
to
pass
the
warrants
that
they
meet,
the
intent
of
the
smart
code
and
the
language
is
actually
specifically
Pat
put
it
in
there
in
the
staff
recommendations.
G
D
D
So
it
comes
from
section
1.3
of
the
smart
code
where
it
says
the
intent
and
purpose
of
this
code
is
to
serve
as
the
regulating
plan
to
implement
the
vision
of
the
special
area
plan
for
the
Sponge,
Docks
and
community
redevelopment
area
and
to
enable
encourage
and
qualify
implementations
of
the
policies
of
the
smart
code
and
that's
on
page
actually,
three,
not
four.
Three
of
the
staff
report.
E
B
Be
the
inclusion
of
Staff
recommendations,
typed
a
fifth
and
then
a
sixth
specifically
noting
the
finding
a
fact.
The
intent
of
the
smart
code
per
se
found
page
three
of
the
included
items
and
then
intent
and
purpose
of
the
code
that
that
is
the
purpose
of
the
warrants
and
we
found
a
finding
the
fact
that
it
breaks
that
code
and
that
is
critical
that
it
is
included
in
our
resolution
tonight.
Yes,.
D
Because
that
is
essentially
what
is
required
by
your
code
in
order
to
Grant
the
warrant
as
you're
supposed
to
specifically
make
that
finding.
G
D
I
believe
that
the
board
had
wanted
it
to
be
included
as
a
condition
of
moving
forward
that
the
exhibit
and
that's
that's.
The
important
part
is
because
they
are
an
exhibit
to
the
resolution
is
that
the
exhibits
be
amended
to
remove
the
sidewalk
seating
yeah.
B
B
I've
got
a
lot
of
paper
here.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
get
it
right.
Application,
2360
resolution
2023-21
with
the
submitted
preliminary
staff
recommendations,
one
through
four
adding
the
strike
of
the
exhibit
noting
the
sidewalk
tables,
so
exhibit
amendments,
and
then
adding
number
six
specifically
of
finding
a
fact
in
regards
to
warrants
the
intent
of
meeting
the
intent
of
the
smart
code
using
the
warrants
that
are
labeled
one
through
three
as
part
of
the
package.
A
I
H
No
just
that
I
think
it's
it's
I,
guess
more
applicable
that
the
Board
of
Commissioners
sees
the
same
pack
that
we
saw
and,
of
course
that
pack
would
include
that
page
of
the
sidewalk
cafe
and
therefore
the
the
importance
of
making
that
a
condition
to
the
resolution,
because
we
don't
want
to
shuffle
the
papers
that
we
had
before
it
gets
to
them.
So
this
phase
complete
continuance
and
transparency
with
this.
F
And
I
just
wanted
just
to
make
some
comments
about
basic.
You
know,
compatibility,
I,
understand
and
fullheartedly
agree
with
Mr
galarakis's
your
desire
to
fill
that
lot.
I
understand
that
completely
and
agree
100.
However,
you
know
one
of
the
main
reasons:
I
joined
this
board
and,
as
this
become
more
important
as
we're
going
through
the
comp
plan
is,
is
viability
and
you
know
smart
development.
F
You
know,
and
if
the
the
intent
hears
from
the
public
comments
is,
we
want
to
bring
people
down,
people
are
coming
and
we
want
to
bring
them
for
the
right
reasons.
They're
going
to
come
and
they're
going
to
buy
anything
you
put
there.
Okay,
it's
in
the
Sponge
Docks,
everybody
will
buy
something,
but
you
know
we
have
to
think
you
know
nobody
wants
tourism
to
succeed
at
the
Sponge
Docks
more
than
me,
okay,
but
long
term
cause
benefit.
Will
this
bring
more
harm
with
the
construction,
more
harm
or
good?
F
Is
there
some
should
that
be
filled?
Of
course,
I
think
it
should
be?
Is
it
compatible?
It
is
not
compatible.
There's
half
of
Tarpon
Springs
is
in
Greece
right
now
and
I
can
promise
you.
No
one's
posted,
a
picture
of
a
hot
dog.
Okay
is
not
why
people
come
will
they
buy
it
sure
before
Mama's
was
all
of
mamas.
That
corner
place
was
called
Phil's
yogurt
shop,
and
that
was
my
second
job.
F
My
first
one
was
at
the
Sponge,
Docks
and
I
Phil
used
to
put
hot
dogs
in
pizzas
there
and
sure
kids
would
come
and
they'd
buy
it.
The
last
thing
I
want
is
people
going
down
to
the
Sponge
Docks
through
Athens
and
buying
a
hot
dog
and
having
a
full
belly
and
not
eating
Greek
food.
Kid
will
buy
it,
but
a
kid
will
eat
anything.
You
get
them.
This
is
so
it's
me
it's
not
compatible,
which
is
you
know,
something
that
you
know
is
in
our
code
and
I.
F
Don't
think
it
meets
the
compatibility
which
did
not
come
up
in
one
discussion.
The
word
didn't
even
come
up
and
I,
don't
think
it's
viable
I,
don't
think,
regardless
of
whether
they
meet
ADA
requirements.
It's
a
safety
issue.
We
just
went
through
this
with
the
public
art
sculpture
on
both
sides
of
DOTA
Kanis.
Those
sidewalks
are
huge
and
when
they
are
crowded,
people
come
in
the
streets
and
because
it
happens
and
I
think
the
staff
said
this
like.
F
Oh,
it
happens,
people
walk
in
the
streets,
that's
not
okay,
and
it
doesn't
mean
it's
okay,
that
we
should
encourage
it.
There
are
zero
protections
for
pedestrians
on
Athens
Street
and
there
are
very
minimal
the
basic
nominal
requirements
for
protection
on
dotikinese.
They
are
just
white
crosswalks.
There
are
no
flashing
lights
that
we
have
downtown.
There
are
no
there's,
no
protection,
people,
speed,
there's
no
enforcement
and
there
is
zero
on
Athens.
F
Street
and
I
can
tell
you
that,
because
I
live
there
and
people
speed
people
don't
stop
it
isn't
it
is
impossible
on
the
weekend
to
make
a
left
or
right
from
Athens
on
a
DOTA
panis,
and
the
last
thing
we
need
is
people
spilling
into
that
in
in
decreasing
visibility
for
traffic,
and
this
is
this
is
why
you
have
to
be
a
resident
to
be
on
the
board.
So
you
can
offer
this
perspective
of
living
in
the
environment
and
seeing
it
and
adding
this
perspective,
you
know
the
more
I
see
these
plans.
F
It
is
white
space
behind
there.
You
know
nobody
would
know
that
those
that
access
and
that
that
there's
property
back
there
that
people
use
not
to
park
to
access
just
the
same
way.
They're
going
to
use
this
access.
It's
a
white
space.
It
means
nothing.
How
many
other
places
do
I
see
where
there's
just
white
space
and
I?
Don't
know
that
there's
somebody's,
you
know
easement
being
encroached
upon,
but
I
know
in
this
sense
and
the
Beyond
just
in
its
entirety.
F
I
just
it
won't
be
viable
and
I'm.
So
glad
Miss
book
of
Alice
was
here
to
tell
us
about
another
hot
dog
stand
that
I
didn't
even
I
wasn't
even
aware
of
I
live
on
Athens,
Street
and
I
run
by
it
almost
every
day,
I
didn't
even
know
hot
dog
stand
was
there
that's
how
I
guess
little
I
mean
six
months
apparently
so.
I
agree
that
I
hate
seeing
vacant
land
I
have
a
vacant
lot
and
it's
tough
to
find
something.
F
When,
especially,
you
know,
nobody,
mine
is
small
too
so,
but
it
has
to
be
viable.
You
know
people
are
going
to
come
to
it,
no
matter
what?
Let's
make
it
something
that
is
fitting
and
compatible
with
the
Sponge
Docks.
You
know
just
because
it
fits
the
code.
Now
it's
it's
silly
to
just
turn
a
blind
eye
to
the
fact
that
we
are
trying
to
do
this
Vision
plan,
while
the
city
is
currently
doing
that,
it's
just
not
realistic.
F
So
that's
just
my
reason
for
my
vote.
So,
but
if
it
goes
forward,
I
just
want
to
make
the
conditions
that
that
accessibility
is
going
to
be
somehow
secured
and
I.
Don't
know
if
Mr
couscous
is
usually
here
to
do
this
restricted,
Covenant
things,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
alley
is
going
to
always
remain
an
alley
and
never
like
this
happened
in
the
past,
where
someone
tried
to
take
Hibiscus
Road
over.
D
For
them
to
do
anything
with
the
alley,
the
city
would
have
to
vacate
it,
so
it
would
take
an
affirmative
action
of
the
city,
because,
right
now
it
currently
belongs
to
the
city,
which
is
why
you
know
it
really
isn't
supposed
to
be
used
for
for
parking
or
or
access
only
right.
D
If,
if
what
you're
looking
for
is
something
with
respect
to
being
able
to
utilize
that
to
get
to
the
handicap,
restroom
I.
F
G
Could
we
offer
that
we
will
require
with
the
building
permitted
construction
management
plan,
because
we
we
will
need
to
do
that
anyway?
You
know
they
may
or
may
not
be
using
the
alley
for
construct.
They
will
be
I.
G
In
the
morning,
they'll
probably
be
used
in
Athens
as
well.
There
may
be
times,
for
example,
when
you're
building
the
handicap
or
whatever,
where
they
need
to
have
people
out
there
to
help
direct
and
Route
the
Germany.
You
know
just
like
any
other
construction
along
the
street
should
I
mean
if
the
maker,
the
motion
wants
to
add
something.
Is
that
something
you
think.
D
For
because
a
restrictive
covenant
is
something
which
travels
with
the
land,
what
you
could
do
is
include
something
in
the
motion
that
says
that
they
cannot
use
the
alley
for
the
exclusive
use
that
they
do
not
have.
The
exclusive
use
of
the
alley.
Okay
for
for
the
Ingress
and
egress
into
the
restroom,
with
the
maker
of
the
motion,
be
okay
with
that.
No.
A
Seeing
none
will
in
in
discussion
on
the
motion,
can
I
have
a
roll
call.
Please.
A
N
Yes,
alleghen
senior
planner
at
the
planning
and
zoning
department.
This
is
application
22-141
under
ordinance
number
202305.
It's
a
future
land
use
map
Amendment
for
the
property
located
at
44098,
U.S
Highway,
19
North,
the
current
land
use
designation
of
this
property
is
RoR,
which
is
residential
office
retail.
The
applicants
are
proposing
to
amend
the
land
use
to
the
CG
commercial
General
and
P
preservation
categories.
N
The
current
zoning
of
the
property
is
HB
Highway
business,
the
property
is
6.71
acres
in
size,
0.2
Acres
of
the
property
is
wetlands
and
that's
the
area
that
corresponds
with
the
p
preservation,
land
use
category,
the
site
itself
is
currently
vacant
and
it
was
formally
operated
as
a
commercial
golf
driving
range.
The
applicants
are
here
seeking
the
amendment
in
order
to
be
more
consistent
with
the
current
HB
zoning
designation
and
to
remove
the
requirements
to
develop
the
property
as
mixed
use.
N
So
this
board
has
has
heard
this
application
on
several
different
occasions.
First,
it
was
in
February
of
this
year.
The
board
at
that
time
made
a
vote
of
three
to
two
to
recommend
denial
of
the
application
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
The
overall
concerns
were
the
expanded
list
of
potential
permitted
uses
in
comparison
to
what
was
currently
allowed,
as
well
as
the
potential
impacts
to
the
Bernie
Park
Townhomes
to
the
South.
N
Following
that
meeting
staff
did
determine
that
there
was
an
issue
and
the
information
that
was
provided
in
the
staff
report,
so
in
March,
the
applicant
requested
the
planning
and
zoning
board
for
re-hearing
and,
with
a
vote
of
three
to
two,
the
board
voted
to
rehear
that
application
with
the
corrected
information
in
April
of
this
year
that
rehearing
came
before
the
board
and,
with
the
vote
of
five
to
one,
the
board
recommended
denial
of
the
application
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
At
that
time.
N
The
overall
concerns
were
the
potential
impacts
of
the
Brittany
Park
Townhomes
and
the
increased
floor
area
ratio
or
far
allowance.
The
application
then
moved
forward
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
In
June
of
this
year.
In
between
the
April
hearing
and
the
June
border
Commissioners
meeting,
the
applicants
were
able
to
work
with
the
adjacent
property
owner
the
adjacent
Property
Owners
of
Brittany
Park
Townhomes,
and
came
to
an
agreement
and
had
a
signed
agreement
that
was
provided
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
N
However,
they
felt
that
the
application
needed
to
come
back
to
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board,
so
you
were
able
to
consider
the
same
information.
So
that's
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today,
being
that
you
have
heard
this
application
several
times,
I'm
going
to
try
to
go
through
the
presentation
briefly,
but
if
there's
any
additional
questions
or
you
need
more
information,
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
those
questions.
N
At
the
end,
the
apple
or
the
site
is
located
on
the
Pasco
County
county
line
off
of
U.S
Highway
19
North
outlined
here
in
yellow
it's
surrounded
by
Brittany,
Park
Townhomes
to
the
South
there's
the
Northern
Tool
and
Equipment,
and
Caliber
Collision
across
US
19
and
there's
commercial
and
office
uses
to
the
north
of
site
in
Pasco
County.
N
This
is
a
survey
of
the
property.
There
are
a
few
limiting
factors
to
the
development
of
the
site,
the
primary
one
being
an
existing
100
foot,
wide
Duke
power
line,
easement
highlighted
in
blue
here,
and
that
bisects
the
site
from
east
to
west.
The
green
area
in
the
corner
here
is
the
area
where
wetlands
are
located
and
this
is
corresponding
to
the
PE
preservation
designation
requested.
N
This
is
a
look
at
the
current
future
land
use
map.
A
majority
of
the
properties
north
of
the
Anclote
River
along
U.S
Highway
19
North,
are
within
mixed-use
land
use
categories,
which
is
the
RoR
and
the
Rog
designations,
with
the
exception
of
Caliber
Collision,
which
is
the
industrial
general
property
shown
here
in
Gray,
and
that
was
amended
a
few
years
back
in
order
for
that
site
to
be
developed.
Although
these
properties
are
all
within
mixed-use,
land
use
category
designation
over
the
years
they
have
not
developed
in
that
manner
and
they're
primarily
singular
abuses.
N
N
This
table
is
just
showing
you
the
comparison
between
the
current
RoR
designation
and
the
proposed
CG
land
use,
designation,
I'm
just
going
to
point
out
the
main
differences.
The
first
is
the
overall
intent
again.
Ror
is
a
mixed
use
category,
which
essentially
means
that,
as
this
property
is
developed,
it's
required
to
have
some
sort
of
residential
component
as
a
part
of
the
development.
The
CG
category
does
not
have
their
requirement.
N
The
uses
that
would
now
be
allowed
if
the
amendment
is
approved,
are
highlighted
here
in
Orange
but
they're
very
difficult
to
see,
but
that
basically
allows
wholesale
distribution,
storage
and
Warehouse
commercial
uses
commercial
recreation,
light
manufacturing
and
then,
with
an
acreage
threshold,
it's
a
residential,
equivalent
and
transportation
utility.
Otherwise
the
same
uses
that
are
allowed
now
would
be
allowed
in
the
future.
N
The
other
primary
difference
is
the
floor
area
ratio.
This
allows
currently
a
0.2
far
for
commercial
uses
and
a
0.3
far
for
office
uses.
The
CG
category
would
allow
up
to
a
0.45
far.
However,
the
highway
business.
Zoning
designation
of
the
property
limits
that
to
0.4,
so
that's
the
maximum
it
would
be
able
to
be
developed
at
the.
This
is
a
look
at
the
zoning
map
currently
for
the
area.
Again,
this
property
is
in
the
highway
business.
Zoning
District.
This
is
the
most
intense
commercial
District
in
the
city.
N
It
allows
for
a
range
of
commercial
office
and
light
industrial
uses,
as
I
mentioned.
The
current
RoR
category
requires
a
residential
component
to
the
development.
The
only
residential
land
use
allowed
in
the
highway
business
district
is
multi-family,
and
that
would
require
our
conditional
use
approval.
So
they'd
have
to
come
to
the
board
to
request
that
portion
of
the
project.
N
If
the
amendment
is
approved,
I
have
listed
here
briefly
on
this
Slide.
The
additional
potential
uses
that's
expanded
and
an
entire
list
of
uses
was
provided
as
backup
with
your
staff
report.
Primarily,
the
main
changes
would
be
allowing
some
commercial
recreation
uses
potentially
like
a
bowling
alley,
a
billiard
hall
or
arcade
and
some
light
industrial
uses
and
then
under
the
conditional
use
category,
it
doesn't
open
the
door
for
some
mini
warehouse
and
Warehouse
use
in
regards
to
the
review
criteria.
As
far
as
consistency
with
the
Florida
Statutes,
this
is
considered
a
small
scale,
development
Amendment.
N
It
does
not
require
any
text
changes
and
it's
not
located
in
an
area
of
critical
concern.
The
consistency
with
Comprehensive
plan
staff
did
do
a
full
analysis
of
all
elements
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
The
applicable
policies
are
listed
here
on
the
screen
in
more
detail
in
your
staff
report,
but
after
that
analysis,
staff
to
determine
that
the
allowable
uses,
densities
and
intensities
of
the
requested
CG
land
use
category
are
consistent
with
those
permitted
within
the
highway
business
zoning
district
and
are
appropriate
with
the
surrounding
uses
along
US-19
Corridor.
N
Additionally,
the
proposed
CG
category
does
eliminate
the
requirement
to
have
a
residential
component
as
a
part
of
the
development
which
is
more
consistent
with
the
historic
development
pattern
of
US
19
in
this
area.
Lastly,
is
consistency
with
the
county-wide
plan
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
this
application
does
not
require
an
amendment
to
that
map.
N
N
Some
of
the
details
I'm
going
to
go
briefly
through
these
I'll,
let
the
applicant
and
or
any
of
the
members
of
the
public
here
to
speak,
to
go
into
details
if
necessary,
but
it
does
include
installing
a
combination
of
an
eight-foot
wall,
an
eight
foot
fence
along
the
adjoining
property
line,
which
is
the
Southern
Property
Line.
It
talks
about
the
maintenance
period
and
who
is
responsible
for
maintenance
of
that
wall.
It
includes
screening
that
would
be
consistent
with
the
city
of
Tarpon
Springs
code
to
be
provided
in
that
location
that
is
required.
N
Regardless
of
the
agreement.
The
city
Lane
development
code
does
require
buffering
and
screening.
The
next
is
to
limit
the
height
of
the
building
pad.
That
would
be
immediately
adjacent
to
the
Brittany
Park
Townhomes
and
I'll
show
you
a
conceptual
plan
here
in
a
moment,
so
you
can
see
which
one
I'm
talking
to,
but
that
would
limit
the
height
to
a
single
story
and
22
feet
in
height.
The
next
was
to
limit
the
potential
uses
of
that
same
building
pad
to
not
include
fast
food,
restaurants,
adult
entertainment
or
sales
for
clarification
on
that
use.
N
That
would
not
be
allowed
regardless
because
of
the
location
requirements
in
our
code.
It
also
restricts
Car,
Wash
facilities,
gas
and
service
stations,
car
dealerships,
entire
automotive
repair
stores
the
next
again
for
that
same
building
Prodigy,
since
the
Brittany
Park
is
to
limit
hours
of
operation
to
6
a.m,
to
10
p.m.
This
is
a
25-year
agreement
and
it
binds
any
subsequent
purchaser
of
the
property.
N
This
is
a
conceptual
plan
that
was
provided
by
the
applicant.
This
is
for
reference
only.
It
cannot
be
a
condition
of
any
sort
of
approval
with
a
land
use
Amendment.
However,
as
a
reminder
any,
if
this
moved
forward
and
received
approval,
they
would
have
to
come
back
to
you
for
site
plan
approval,
so
you
would
see
a
full
detailed
site
plan,
but
this
is
just
for
your
consideration
and
what
they
worked
with
Brittany
Park
on
their
agreement
with
this
building.
N
Here
is
the
one
that
has
a
majority
of
the
restrictions
I
read
out,
because
this
is
the
one
that's
adjacent
to
Brittany
Park
to
the
south
over
here.
The
last
thing
I'll
point
out
too
is
they:
do
propose
potentially
a
storage
use
in
the
back
of
the
corner
of
the
property
and
they
did
provide
a
rendering
of
a
similar
project
that
they've
done
in
the
past.
Just
for
your
reference.
N
With
that
sap
does
recommend
approval
of
ordinance
2023-05
to
amend
the
future
land
use
from
the
RoR
residential
office
retail
category
to
the
CG
commercial
General,
MP
preservation.
Category
public
notice
was
provided
for
this
hearing
and
we
did
not
receive
any
written
responses
and
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
back
to
you
with
any
questions.
A
I
have
a
a
question
in
general
in
the
process,
all
the
way
through
was
there
ever
any
consideration
to
going
with
a
lower
intensity
commercial
zoning
rather
than
the
highway
commercial
with
a
general
business
or
a
neighborhood
business
zoning,
or
something
like
that,
because
I
mean
the
the
one
difficulty
kind
of
that
that
I
see
that
concerns
me
a
bit
is
is
the
fact
that
the
fluorary
ratio
is
increasing
so
much
so
it
allows
allows
a
greatly
more
intense
development
on
the
property
on
a
a
transportation
artery
that
we
all
know
is
is
an
F,
minus
kind
of
rating
and
certainly
I
think
they
have
a
right
to
develop
the
property
and
I.
N
So
when
we
look
at
Future
land
use
map
amendments,
we
do
consider
all
different
categories
within
that
range.
The
CG
category
is
most
consistent
with
what
the
highway
business
zoning
District
allows
and
then
also,
if
I
flip
back
to
the
wrong
way.
If
I
flip
back
to
the
intent
of
the
CG
category,
it's
really
intended
to
be
along
these
major
commercial
corridors
and
I'll.
N
Just
read
that
for
the
record,
the
intent
of
the
CG
categories
to
designate
existing
commercial
areas
which
may
be
either
highway
or
commercial
oriented
and
include
uses
of
varying
degree
of
intensity
of
degree
intensity.
So
after
reviewing
that,
with
the
consistency
of
the
highway
business,
zoning
District,
as
well
as
the
character
of
US
19,
we
felt
that
this
was
an
appropriate
category.
A
D
That
I
do
not
think
would
be
within
your
purview.
No
because
you
cannot
alter
the
code
itself
and
if
the
code
allows
for
it,
you
know
what
you're
doing
is
rezoning
the
property.
It's
not
even
a
conditional
use,
so
I,
don't
think
that
would
be
allowable
here.
I
Can
I
get
some
clarification?
Just
so
I
understand
I,
understand
that
this
Brittany
Park
development
in
the
in
the
town,
homes
that
they're
some
sort
of
an
anomaly
I
mean
they're.
Here's
this
residential
area,
plopped
in
the
middle
of
everything
else,
that's
commercial,
correct
and
am
I
hearing
this
correct
from
you
correctly,
because
the
rest
of
it's
commercial,
then
we
should
make
this
commercial
too.
N
Same
because
the
rest
of
us
19
is
commercial
well,
so
this
is
more
of
a
considerate,
so
not
every
District
land
use
category.
Zoning
district
is
singularly
used,
so
there's
a
range
of
uses
that
can
be
allowed
in
all
different
types
of
categories.
So
not
just
saying
this
has
to
be
commercial,
but,
as
the
question
is,
is
the
commercial
General
land
use
category
appropriate
which
would
allow
all
the
uses
that
are
listed
here
when
staff
reviews
this
application?
N
Let
me
get
back
to
the
future
land
use
category,
so
these
are
your
future
land
use
categories
that
are
the
currently
designated
so
I
know
it's
difficult
to
see
a
little
bit
here
with
this
purple
category
or
areas
are
those
mixed-use
land
use
categories?
This
gray
is
industrial,
so
this
is
your
future
land
use
map.
N
Now,
if
I
flip
to
well
one,
the
county-wide
plan
designates
this
entire
Corridor
as
retail
and
services,
retail
and
services
from
a
county-wide
standpoint
is
a
very
broad
category
that
covers
a
wide
range
commercial,
all
the
way
to
Industrial
and
cases,
but
it
shows
that
whole
Corridor,
including
the
Brittany
Park
development,
in
that
designation,
the
last
map
I'll
show,
is
looking
at
our
zoning
map,
and
this
I
think
is
more
clearly
kind
of
depicts
how
this
prop
or
this
area
has
been
developing.
So
you
have
Highway
business.
N
These
intense
commercial
developments
in
the
same
immediate
area,
in
addition
to
this
maroon
color,
is
a
commercial
plan
development.
So,
yes,
this
is
a
residential
development,
but
it
has
a
commercial
designation
component
with
it
I
believe
when
it
developed
at
the
time
it
had
a
small
commercial
piece.
Maybe
the
office
use
for
the
development,
that's
how
it
went
through
the
process,
so
I
I
believe
that
it's
consistent
with
the
the
character
of
the
corridor,
but
that's
that's
how
we
evaluated
the
application.
Oh.
I
I
Property
that
can
drain
you
know
as
right
now
it's
empty
and
he
was
asking
if
there
could
maybe
be
a
less
congested
plan
for
this
area
and
I
I
tend
to
agree.
You
know
with
his
concern
and
I
still
find
myself
concerned
for
the
residents.
I
don't
know
if
they
know
what
they're
getting
into
it's,
not
my
business.
This
agreement,
however
I
just
I,
have
a
hard
time
with
just
adding
more
congestion
and
more
traffic
problems
to
that
area.
I
I
I
know
that,
to
be
honest,
I
looked
in
Brittany
Park
and
I
thought.
Oh,
my
Lord
to
get
in
and
out
of
that
subdivision
now
now
we're
going
to
add
in
that
particular
area
is
very
dangerous
and
now
we're
going
to
add
more
commercial
as
well.
There's
no
light
there,
there's
no
light.
So
those
are
my
concerns.
N
Yeah,
okay,
that
thank
you
that
helped
clarify
a
little
bit
more,
but
so,
when
you're
reviewing
these
applications
for
all
types
of
applications,
you
have
a
set
of
review
criteria.
So
this
is
what
you
base
your
decision
off
of
so
staff
looked
at
it.
We
gave
you
our
recommendation
and
then
you
do
the
same
as
a
board
member.
N
So
in
this
case
for
a
future
land
use
map
Amendment
the
criteria
is
consistency
with
our
Florida
Statutes
consistency
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan,
goals,
objectives
and
policies,
and
we
pulled
out
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
are
applicable
to
the
application
for
you
in
the
staff
report
and
then
also
consistency
with
the
county-wide
plan.
So
those
are
your
three
criteria
to
evaluate
the
application
you
take.
That
into
consideration
then
apply
all
the
testimony
that
you
hear
at
the
at
the
hearing.
N
Yes,
and
then
also
just
in
regards
to
the
kind
of
the
site
plan
details
as
far
as
access
in
and
out
of
the
site
and
that
that
would
be
looked
at
during
site
plan
review
as
well.
So
that's
looked
at
you
know:
is
it
a
write-in
right
out?
I,
don't
think
they
can
cross,
but
that
type
of
detail
is
looked
at
the
site
plan
level,
two
which
would
come
back
to
this
board.
Okay,.
F
A
question
about
commissioner
coolian
is
and
I
think
Eisner
mentioned
it
in
the
last
meeting
as
far
as
this
Moses
Tucker,
which
I
believe
this
might
be
the
fourth
time
we've
addressed
this
so
I'm
sorry
can
at
first
I
want
to
clarify.
Is
this
a
storage
facility?
Is
this
what
the
secret
was?
This
is:
is
this
what
we
couldn't
know
they.
N
N
F
So
in
the
last
Board
of
Commissioners
meeting,
I
guess
at
some
point
there
was
a
I,
don't
know
if
agreement
or
procedural
thing
where
there
was
a
requirement
that
if
there
was
or
an
agreement,
not
necessarily
requirement
that,
if
there's
additional
information,
that's
added
between
the
the
last
Planning
and
Zoning
meeting
and
then
the
boc
meeting
that
we
should
go
back
so
that
the
planning
and
zoning
department
gets
to
review
the
same
material.
That
the
Board
of
Commissioners
gets
to
review.
Is
that
correct.
F
J
The
so
the
to
kind
of
finish
Alex
thought
so
the
agreement
was
entered
into
the
rec.
The
formal,
like
approved
agreement
between
these
parties,
was
entered
into
the
record
after
right,
you're
hearing,
so
the
Board
of
Commissioners
really
wanted
that
full
agreement
to
be
able
to
be
reviewed
by
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board,
and
they
also
recommended
to
the
applicant
that
they
suggested
that
if
you
have
a
concept
plan
which
they
did
would
which
technically
you
should
not
be
reviewing
a
concept
plan
for
a
future
land
use
map
Amendment,
which
is
why
it's.
F
So
commissioner
coulianis
was
specifically
speaking
about
when
he
was
on
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board.
There
was
a
discussion
about
that.
That
was
the
when
new
information
I,
regardless
of
what
that
new
information
is
comes
between
the
Planning
and
Zoning
meeting,
send
it
back
and
right.
So
my
question:
is
it
what
you
know
there's
every
time
I've
never
seen
the
staff
not
approve
something,
and
my
concern
is
that
at
that
point,
wouldn't
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Board
at
least
withhold
approval
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners.
F
F
J
Was
it's?
It's
really
I
mean
if
I'm
trying
to
fire
about
my
memory
here.
I
think
it
was.
You
know,
concerns
that
were
brought
about
by
planning
a
zoning
board,
but
also
the
Board
of
Commissioners
has
has
discussed
it
as
well
and
so
I
don't
know
that.
There's
been
an
absence.
There
was
absolute,
clear
policy
direction
from
the
board
100,
because
that
agreement
had
at
least
been
discussed
by
this
board.
That's
why
we
went
ahead
even
though
it
wasn't,
it
was
solidified.
It.
J
Right,
you're,
absolutely
right,
you
know,
so
we
went
ahead
and
turned
it
forward
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
with
the
full
acknowledgment
that
that
was
new
information,
I,
fully
recognized
that
they
probably
would
elect
to
send
it
back.
But
so
that's
how
we
got
here
did
that
answer
your
question.
Yeah.
F
I,
just
didn't
I
wasn't
aware
of
the
policy
and
I
was
just
trying
to
like
if
it
was
something
that
you
know
just
to
just
basically,
I
save
everyone's
time.
If
there's
new
information
and
I
know,
sometimes
you
do
tell
the
applicant
and
they
want
to
go
forward.
Anyways,
but
I
know
on
specific
things.
Where
sometimes
you
tell
us
Hey,
listen,
they
we
told
them
your
application.
I
remember
with
mugros,
it's
not
really
ready,
but
you
get
your
day
in
court
like
right.
F
J
D
Didn't
know
about
it
when
I
actually
was
going
to
ask
based
on
that
comment
is:
is
there
a
written
and
adopted
resolution?
No.
A
It
was
an
issue
on
some
projects
that
were
all
very
familiar
with
under
under
some
previous
commissions
and
and
this
commission
chose
in
in
the
interest
of
of
keeping
things
clean
and
right.
A
D
So
with
that
in
mind,
staff
can't
enforce
that
if
it's
not
written
and
properly
adopted
and
what
they
can
do
is
disclose
it
and
disclose
exactly
what
information
has
been
added
to
the
applications
in
between
your
review
and
the
board
of
commission
review,
because
I
will
say
that
it's
not
uncommon
to
see
that
happen
in
other
venues
and
how
much
you
want
to
enforce.
D
J
Part
of
our
normal
practice
now,
when
we
take
something
forward
to
the
board,
is
the
first
thing
is
we
tell
them
that
there's
been
new
information
and-
and
you
know
and
I've
seen
it
go
both
ways
of
you
know
in
my
discussions,
frankly
with
city
manager
about
okay,
do
we
just
try
to?
Can
we
put
let's
take
this
one
back,
you
know
ourselves
or
recommend
that
they
go
back.
But
ultimately,
if
the
applicant
says
I'm
sorry
I
want
to
go
forward,
then
we
just
disclose
it
and
we
go
forward.
I
Can
I
just
say
that
that
us
not
knowing
the
terms
of
this
agreement,
was
not
the
only
issue
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
to
okay?
I
Now
that
agreement
came
to
the
Commissioners
and
now
to
us,
but
that
wasn't
the
only
issue
I'm
trying
to
look
back
through
my
notes
as
we're
talking
and
I
wrote
things
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
my
own
notes:
I
wrote
Wetland
as
a
buffer
question
mark
exclamation
mark
somebody,
and
there
was
a
discussion
and
forgive
me
but
I'm,
trying
to
remember
myself
and
I'm
trying
to
quickly
go
through
my
notes,
but
I
know
there
were
more
issues
that
everyone
talked
about.
I,
don't
know
anyone
else
remember
it
has
a
better
memory
than
me.
I
N
There
are
other
comments
and
issues
that
the
board
discussed
at
the
various
iterations
of
this
process,
but
it
came
back
to
you
because
this
was
the
new
information
that
was
provided,
but
some
of
the
other
discussion.
Besides
concerns
with
the
Britney
Park
town
home
to
the
South,
was
the
floor.
Area
ratio
concerns
the
expanded
allowable
uses
with
the
new
land
use
designation.
N
Category
I
think
there
was
some
hesitation
just
not
knowing
what
was
potentially
on
the
property
or
what
was
proposed
and
I
believe
that
there
were
some
discussions
about
whether
or
not
the
the
mixed-use
categories
are.
Are
you
know
it's
important
to
keep
that
in
place
along
that
Corridor
or
not?
So
those
are
the
ones
that
I
can
remember
off
the
top
of
my
head.
That
I
remember.
I
N
D
A
All
right
seeing
no
further
questions
for
staff
that
brings
us
to
the
applicant.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
presentation.
O
First
of
all,
I'm
Matt
Chandler
I'm,
with
Moses
Tucker,
Partners,
7462,
divot
Loop
in
Lakewood,
Ranch
Florida,
a
couple
of
things:
I
had
a
whole
presentation,
but
I
know
you
guys
have
a
a
workshop
after
this,
so
I'll
I'll
try
to
be
as
brief
as
I
can
be
a
couple
of
the
concerns.
The
two
major
concerns
were
the
floor
area
ratio
and
the
and
the
the
neighbors
we
only
thing
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
to
get
a
CG
zoning,
so
we
can
do
a
storage
facility.
Now.
O
Why
didn't
we
just
come
out
and
say
we
wanted
to
do
a
storage
facility
Well.
We
were
not
allowed
to
give
a
site
plan
on
a
on
a
land
on
a
map
Amendment.
We
tried
to
do
site
plan
all
of
this
at
one
time
and
that's
not
the
way
y'all's
process
works.
So
we
could
not
give
you
a
site
plan,
but
they
you
know
giving
the
situation
here.
They
said
the
city
said:
hey.
You
probably
just
need
to
add
that.
So
that's
what
we
did
conceptually
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
do.
O
O
Yes,
we
are
adding
traffic,
any
development
on
that
site
is
going
to
add
traffic
and-
and
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
RoR,
if
it's
CG
or
if
it's
industrial,
it's
going
to
add
traffic,
what
other
things
we've
been
very
sensitive
to
and
I
think
Renee
and
Ali
and
Pat
would
agree
with
this
on
the
agree
with
me
on
this
is
when
we
first
sat
down
with
them.
One
of
the
first
thing
they
said
is
this
city
is,
is,
is
very
big
on
the
traffic
generator
very
big
on
the
traffic
generator.
O
So
we
we
have
done
a
lot
of
qsr
Quick,
Service,
Restaurant,
fast
food
development
all
over
the
place,
and
we
were
like
okay.
Well,
we'll
just
do
that
there!
Well,
no,
you
guys
are
not
going
to
want
that
much
traffic
there,
and
so
what
can
we
develop?
What
uses
can
we
use
to
to
lessen
the
traffic
and
storage?
Does
that
storage?
Does
a
it's
a
doesn't
even
compare
generator
traffic
generation
wise
a
lot
to
a
lot
of
different
uses?
I
know
I'm
kind
of
scattered
here,
but
I'm
trying
to
answer
y'all's
questions.
O
As
far
as
the
issues
with
the
neighbors
and
the
neighbors
are
here
tonight
we
did
not.
We
did
not
realize
we
had
an
issue
with
the
neighbors.
When
we
met
with
the
city,
they
understood
what
we
were
trying
to
do
and
they
were
supportive
of
what
we
were
trying
to
do.
We
went
to
two
TRC
meetings.
They
were.
They
were
regular
comments,
no
really
negative
comments,
and
so,
when
we
came
before
y'all
we
did
not
know
we
had
a
neighbor
issue.
The
first
thing
we
did
as
soon
as
that
meeting
was
over.
O
We
walked
outside
and
said,
hey
guys,
let's
sit
down
and
it
took
us
until
June
to
get
that
agreement.
So
when
we
came
back
before
y'all,
we
did
not
have
an
agreement
in
place
and
could
not
present
something
we
didn't
know
if
we
were
going
to
get
an
agreement
in
place.
But
when
we
sat
down
with
him
and
said,
hey
guys,
you
know
right
now
we
can
put
a
a
Firestone
or
a
good
deer
sitting
right
there.
That's
one
of
the
uses
they
didn't
want
us
to
do
so
we
pulled
it
out.
O
We
gave
them
almost
every
concession
they
wanted
us
to
make
so
as
far
and
that's
and
why
it
took
us
so
long
to
get
to
it
is
because
it's
in
homeowners
association,
it's
not
just
one
property
owner.
It's
it's
the
associate
me
being
president
of
my
homeowners
association.
It
it
takes
time
you
have
to
you,
have
to
get
everybody
together.
O
You
have,
to
you,
know,
close
the
meetings
and
all
those
things,
and
so
it
just
takes
time
so
we're
very
sensitive
to
what
you
guys
are
sensitive
of
and
and
that
is
the
traffic
generation.
Now
I'll
deal
with
floor
area
ratio.
Yes,
it
does
double
right,
but
if
you'll
think
about
it
in
the
terms
of
what
we're
really
doubling,
this
is
the
biggest
area
that
we're
going
to
produce
right
here
to
construct.
It
is
one
building,
and
that
is
the
least
one
of
the
least
dramatic
traffic
generating
uses
that
we
could
put
there.
O
Now.
Yes,
we're
going
to
have
a
couple
of
out
partials
here.
This
could
be
a
little
strict.
This
could
be
a
little
strip
center.
You
know
three
to
Bay
fives
three
to
five
base
strips
in
or
something
like
that,
and
we
have
no
idea
what
we're
going
to
do
up
here,
but
obviously
it
would
be
within
the
uses
and
come
back
to
you
guys
for
site
plan.
Let
me
point
out
one
a
couple
of
other
things:
the
wall
that
they
want.
O
It
goes
from
here
to
right
here
and
then
the
fence
goes
the
rest
away.
Another
one
of
those
issues
that
has
came
up
the
first
time
was
the
easement.
A
lot
of
people
didn't
believe
that
that
easement
is
valid.
That
easement
is
very
much
real
and
it
is
640
by
100..
O
It's
almost
an
acre
and
a
half
if
you
notice,
if
you
would
think
from
a
developer
standpoint,
we'd,
say:
okay,
well
we're
going
to
run
that
interior
Road
right
down
the
middle
of
that
development
right,
because
that's
where
the
easement
is,
that
makes
sense.
It's
just
it's
a
power
line.
Easement!
That's
it
Duke
says:
no!
You
can't
touch
our
easement
can't
touch
our
easement.
You
can
cross.
O
That's
the
only
way,
we'll
give
you
access
and
oh
by
the
way,
your
storm,
your
retention,
Pond.
It
cannot
touch,
and
so,
if
we
were,
if
this
was
diff,
if
they
would
allow
us
to
do
that,
we
would
have
changed
how
we
set
this
up.
So
the
only
thing
that
they
said
is
that
they
possibly
would
give
us
a
look
some
parking
in
their
easement,
but
it
depends
on
where
it
was
so
that
that
easement
is
real.
O
It
is
a
problem
and
if
I
had
to
pick
this
property
to
develop,
I
wouldn't
pick
it,
but
our
president's
owner,
our
president
uncle
and
from
Tampa
owns
this
property.
So
it
just
is
what
it
is.
I'll
answer.
Any
questions.
F
I
have
a
couple
questions:
I'm
glad
that
you
came
tonight.
I
was
kind
of
looking
forward
to
speaking
with
the
attorney
again,
but
well.
E
F
That
you
take
the
status
advice
on
who
should
present
applications
from
the
beginning,
I
think
it
probably
would
have
avoided
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
we
had.
Probably
yeah
I
did
a
little
confusion
from
the
beginning.
I
think
you
said
the
staff
told
you
you
were
not
allowed
I,
don't
know
to
submit
a
site
plan.
O
J
Actually
wanted
to
run
dual
applications.
I
cannot
do
that,
but
but,
as
a
matter
of
of
practice,
when
you're
doing
a
land
use
map,
Amendment
you're
really
supposed
to
look
at
it
on
the
balance
of
not
unless
you've
got
a
development
agreement
in
tow,
then
you
can
bring
a
concept
plan
or
something
into
play.
So
that's
why
we
did
not
encourage
you
know
putting
an
exhibit
in
because
it's
not
one.
It's
not
enforceable.
Now.
J
Obviously,
a
plan
if
they
get
approved,
is
going
to
come
back
through
you
and
you're
going
to
look
at
it
and
say
this
may
or
may
not
look
like
the
concept
plan
that
we
saw.
But
so
you
know
as
a
matter
of
practice,
we
generally
do
not
have
a
site
plan
or
a
concept
plan
attached
to
a
land
use
map
Amendment.
J
When
I
got
to
the
Board
of
Commissioners,
they
were
like
well,
it
would
probably
be
helpful.
I'm
like
okay
I
will
include
it
in
the
backup
when
it
comes
back
to
you
so
so.
J
F
E
L
J
I
mean
it's
a
double-edged
sword
for
us.
You
knew
what
they
were
going
to
build.
F
F
F
F
F
She
said:
well,
we
didn't
really
want
to
go
back,
but
that's
your
procedure
and
then
we
that's
not
true.
We
we
didn't
have
a
procedure.
We
specifically
asked
the
attorney.
Well,
you
don't
have
one,
but
this
is
what
the
Board
of
Commissioners
does.
So
we
followed
procedure
gave
the
extra
motion
on
her
request.
F
Okay
and
so,
but
this
was
not
relayed
properly
at
the
no.
Let
me
finish:
okay,
all
right,
all
right,
I'm
talking,
so
this
was
not
relayed
at
the
meeting
at
all
and
not
by
you
or
the
applicant,
which
the
attorney
representing
so
now
that
we
have
somebody
else
here.
All
I'm
asking
for
is
full
disclosure
and
while
Mr
vesi
might
be
a
little
bit
more
knowledgeable
about
this
stuff,
I'm
not
and
I'm.
Trying
to
learn,
but
please
be
upfront-
is
all
I'm
asking
and
I'm
glad
to
know.
F
O
And
and
I
would
just
say
again
at
the
recommendation,
I
think
she
said
at
the
recommendation
of
the
city
staff.
Now
we're
developers
coming
in
trying
to
to
to
to
do
a
development
and
when
City
staff
says
that
really
doesn't
go
in
the
land
use
Amendment
meeting
we
said
okay,
and
so
that's
why
it
was
not.
There
I
mean
I,
mean
I,
get.
F
O
J
Now
as
a
matter
of
practicality,
they
come
back
through
and
they
see
something
different.
You
may
have
issues
with
that,
but
you
still
have
at
that
point.
You
still
have
to
look
at
the
Land
Development
code
and
the
zoning
and
everything
and
say,
is
it
because
it's
quasi-judicial
at
that
point,
so
you
know,
we've
had
very
clear
direction
that
we
want
a
land
use
map
amendment
to
stand
on
its
own
Merit.
D
That
is
what
guarantees
that
the
land
use
amendment
is
going
is
going
to
be
based
on
the
site
plan
that
you're
passing,
and
it's
done
through
that
process,
which
is
a
much
different
process
than
what
you
all
are
going
through
now,
and
so
that's
why
you
know
it's
more
important
for
you
to
realize
when
you
do
change
that
land
use.
You
are
changing
that
category
and
that
list
of
available
uses
and
not
whatever
specific
concept
plan
they're
putting
forward.
But
here's
my.
I
D
D
O
Homes,
but
you
but
but
see
they're
they're
in
lies
the
one
of
the
issues
RoR
makes
us
put
some
sort
of
residential
component
in
there.
Well,
this
the
city
and
the
county
have
said:
that's
really
not
compatible
City,
really,
the
city
staff
really
doesn't
want
to
see
that
there
Duke
Energy
does
not
want
to
see
it
there
and
and
I
would
just
add.
We
not
only
have
to
get
your
approval.
O
We
also
have
to
get
Duke's
energies
of
approval
on
our
entire
site
and
why,
because
they're
giving
us
access
across
their
easement,
so
they
control
it
as
well.
Now
we,
we
are
a
huge
multi-family
developers.
We
could
put
you
know
all
kinds
of
units
on
there.
If
we
didn't
have
that
easement,
the
easement
is
a
huge
deal
and-
and
it's
not
a
again
I'm,
we
have
not
tried
to
been
secretive
one
of
the
one
of
the
parts
about
the
agreement
we
didn't
have.
The
agreement
worked
out,
we
didn't
have
it.
We.
I
Yeah
I,
don't
think
the
issue,
at
least
for
me:
yeah
wasn't
the
agreement
it.
It
gave
me
some
pause,
but
it
wasn't
that
wasn't
the
main
issue.
For
me.
It's
it's.
My
confusion
comes
like
I
said
it's,
so
we
changed
the
designation,
but
then
everybody
said
yeah,
but
it's
consistent
with
everything
else
that
doesn't
mean
you
know
you
throw
bad
after
bad
sure.
O
But
if
you
look
at,
if
you
looked
at
your
zoning
in
Ali,
collect
me
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
all
our
all
the
west
side
of
19
is
basically
our
war.
That
has
been
changed
to
be
some
sort
of
conditional
use,
I.E,
the
multi-family
or
the
condos.
Next
to
us,
and
so
do
do
we
want
to
see
more
condos
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
they
want
to
see
more
condos
back.
I
was
just
using
that
as
an
example
right,
but
so
so
you're
right,
you
don't
always
know
what
we're
going
to
do.
O
But
we
are
you
know
it
would.
It
would
be
really
hard
for
me
to
stand
up
here
and
tell
you
what
we're
really
trying
to
do
and
then
come
back
for
site,
plan
review
and
say,
and
you
me
you
look
at
me
and
go
you
lied
to
me
and
and
that's
just
not
who
we
are.
We've
done,
I
mean
we're
developers
first,
we're
broker.
Second,
we're
property
managers.
Third,.
I
I
Kind
of
you
know,
I,
don't
understand,
I'm,
not
saying
you
sure,
just
seeing
sure
if
the
process
is
is
beginning,
it's
really
starting
to
confuse
me
why
we
can't
know
yeah
what
it's
going
to
be
used
for
when
we
change
the
designation
and
then
I'm
told
that
well
it's
consistent
right.
So
then,
why
was
it
something
else,
yeah
I,
just
I'm?
This
is
my
issue
and
I'm
trying
to
understand.
O
Well,
our
site
plan,
the
truth.
We
can't
do
a
whole
lot
of
things
here
because
of
that
easement
we're
so
storage
is.
If
you
look
from
a
compatibility
and
you
look
from
a
traffic
generation,
storage
is
one
of
the
best
things
we
can
do
here
now.
I,
don't
I'll
sit
right
here
and
tell
you
these
these
two
lots.
I,
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
be
yet
because
we
don't
know
what
we
can
do.
I
mean
it
could
be
for,
for
instance,
a
non-emergency
Urgent
Care.
Well,
that's
not
a
huge
traffic
generator.
O
A
O
Can
do
on
the
lot
to
the
north
so
that
lot's
more
likely
going
to
be
me
smaller?
What
I
don't
want
you
guys
to
do
is
hold
me
that
road
is
going
to
stay
right
there.
Could
it
come
here
maybe,
but
the
problem
is,
is
then
we
get
into
the
depend,
the
retention,
Pond
right
and
so
I.
Don't
think
we
can
fit
that
road
there.
O
Now,
if
the
engineers
come
back
and
say
we
can,
then
then
it
may
get
shifted
depending
on
what
uses,
but
that
back
there
more
likely
is
going
to
be
a
storage
facility.
How
big
is
it
going
to
be
I
can't
answer
that
and
the
reason
I
can't
I
think
that's
where
you
were
going
with
your
question.
I
doubt
it's
going
to
be
more.
It's
all
going
to
be
climate
control.
It's
not
going
to
be
climate
controlled
and
non-climate
controlled.
O
Once
you
start
going
over
three
stories
and
I,
don't
think
we
can
go
over
three
stories
Renee
because
of
the
height
level,
so
I
think
we
would
be
restricted
to
three.
You
start
getting
into
the
soil.
What's
beneath
you,
what
kind
of
foundation
you
have
to
put,
then
you
start
getting
into
construction
numbers
and
so
I
I
would
be
disingenuous
if
I
said
exactly
what
that's
going
to
be,
how
or
how
big
that's
going
to
be
yeah.
N
I
was
just
going
to
look
at
some
of
our
notes
when
we
came
and
had
a
discussion
item
with
the
technical
Review
Committee
I
know
that
we
talked
about
Florida
ratio,
I,
don't
know
I'm
going
to
double
check
and
see
if
we
did
any
sort
of
calculation,
but
I
do
not
want
it
to
be
said
that
this
is
hard
and
fast
what
it
is.
But
that
way
give
you
an
idea.
O
No
sometimes
we
do
a
disservice
to
ourselves.
When
you
come
into
a
you
know,
you
hire
attorneys,
you
hire
civils,
you
hire
planners
and
you
tell
them
to
go.
Do
their
job,
and
sometimes
you
just
need
to
hear
from
us
and
and
put
a
face
with
a
name
and
I
regret
that
I
didn't
get
up,
but
you
know
I'm
here
now
and
I'm
trying
to
make
this
right.
O
You
know
I'm
trying
to
make
it
right
and
I'm
trying
to
be
honest,
I
mean
I
I.
Everything
I'm
saying
is
factual.
That
I
know
it.
F
A
O
A
P
They
won't
Flex
they're,
going
right
through
it
and
for
us
what's
going
straight
down
to
Senate,
because
I
got
the
person
in
charge
of
the
project,
medium
height,
high-powered
lines
and
the
reason
why
he
can't
build
residential
up
against
us.
You
have
to
be
280
feet
away
from
the
power
lines.
So
what
they're
doing
is
from
the
back
of
our
building
they're
going
up.
E
P
These
poles
and
they're
they're
legal.
As
far
as
our
agreement
I
mean
our
agreement
is
basically
what
she
said:
the
wall,
the
single
story,
height
our
board,
voted
on
it.
The
residents
are
satisfied
with
it
and
are
concerned,
for
it
was
our
safety
of
our
property
line
with
the
wall
and
what
we've
worked
out.
Our
property
is
secure.
P
P
However,
it
was
four
years
ago
and
I'm
sure
Duke
had
the
right
away,
because
they're
going
right
through
to
preserve
that's
there,
so
they've
got
all
the
power
so
when
he
says
when
they,
when
I
first
started
two
times
ago
about
well,
can
you
move
it
they're,
not
moving
they're,
not
flexible
they're.
Just
it's.
P
P
Our
residents
and
the
security
of
our
property
and
we've
we're
satisfied
with
it.
You
know
on
our
side
where
the
other
side
is
I
mean
it's
further
enough
away
from
us.
I'm
with
the
wall
and
the
eight
foot
fence
are
properties
secured
when,
if
it
happens,
but
to
us
it's
a
win,
you
know
they
get
what
they
need
to
do,
because
the
property
is
a
fluke
will
ours
is
secured,
which
we
want
and
talk
them
when
it's
more
extra
tax
money.
A
Any
other
members
of
the
public
wishing
to
speak
in
favor
any
members
of
the
public
wishing
to
speak
against,
seeing
none
that
brings
it
back
or
we
close
public
comment.
Does
the
staff
desire
to
make
any
rebuttal
or
closing
comments.
A
H
F
Some
comments,
you
know,
I
think
it's
interesting.
How
sometimes
the
more
controversy
an
issue
gets
I,
guess
the
less
the
issues
that
started
off
being
an
issue
and
something
just
disappeared,
and
it
happens
in
the
news
all
the
time.
Now
we're
all
it's
all
about
the
agreement,
and
you
know
my
colleague
made
a
very
good
point
that
really
that
wasn't
the
issue
from
day
one
it
was.
You
know
why
are
we
changing
the
code?
F
F
We
don't
actually
don't
need
our
approval,
although
I
respect
that
you
came
in
instead
of
the
attorney,
but
I
will
say
that
as
an
attorney
I'm
in
front
of
judges
sometimes
and
I
never
understood
why,
when
two
parties
agree,
the
judge
will
sometimes
still
deny
your
agree
to
order.
But
I
see
it
today
because
you
know
unfortunately
I
you
know
I
look
out
for
the
residents,
but
future
residents
and
people
Beyond
this
generation
and
the
Next
Generation.
F
So
seeing
that
the
other
side
is
now
completely
supportive
of
the
other
side,
it
doesn't
sit
well
with
me,
but
again
we're
advisory.
So
that's
just
my
those
are
my
comments.
I,
don't
think
that
we've
really
address
the
main
issues
tonight.
I
just
think
the
way
that
this
all
came
about,
there's
a
reason
that
it
just
doesn't
sit
well
with
me
to
to
approve
it.
But.
A
And
I
would
share
too
that
I'm
I
I
still
have
some
real
concerns
related
to
the
floor
area
ratio
and
the
density
of
development,
not
necessarily
that
this
depicts,
but
that
that
could
still
everything
could
change
once
we
approve
this
and
could
still
go
on
that
property
and
and
I,
don't
know
how
to
fix
the
problem
honestly,
because
it's
it's
partly
the
way
things
work
and
I'm
not
entirely
sure
how
I
feel
about
that
yet.
But
anyways
any
other
comments.
I
I'm
feeling
the
way
you're
feeling
I
mean
based
on
on
the
history
that
that
I've
encountered
from
this
issue
and
I.
That
is
my
problem
with
it.
I
feel
better
this
evening.
Having
heard
from
you
I
do
feel
better,
but
I
still
have
concerns
as
well.
A
And
and
what
I
would
say?
Definitely
if,
if
this
passes,
I
I,
think
and
I
shouldn't
speak
for
everybody,
but
I
know
for
for
me,
I'm
going
to
be
looking
very
critically
at
the
final
site
plan
and
what
the
floor
area
ratios
really
are,
and
you
know
how
how
everything
really
works
out,
because
I
I
think
it's
a
real
problem
to
increase
the
density
of
development
on
U.S
19
in
today's
world.
H
And
chairman
I
would
just
comment:
I
concur
with
with
those
observations
and
and
the
others
brought
up
here
in
the
comment
portion.
It
is
an
arduous
process.
First
of
all,
I
commend
both
sides
for
kind
of
building
a
bridge
in
this
matter
and
at
least
getting
to
the
bottom
of
what
may
or
what
may
not
like
I
said
we
have
no
say
in
the
enforcement
of
that
agreement.
H
We'll
leave
that
up
to
your
attorney
and
whoever's
going
to
represent
the
developer,
but
that's
almost
an
ideal
situation
where
everybody
can
get
together
and
compromise
and
either
be
a
little
happy
or
a
little
unhappy
or
combination
of
both
I.
Do
like
the
fact
that
the
site
plans,
whether
individual
or
Collective,
will
come
back
to
us
and
there
will
be
limitations
based
on
the
Florida
error
ratio,
the
parking
requirements
impervious
surface
and
things
like
that.
That
will
control
to
a
degree
what
gets
done
and
how
it
gets
done.
H
But
it
would
be
nice
if
we
had
another
availability
to
limit,
whether
it
by
warrant
or
or
other
restriction,
the
floor
area
ratio
being
bumped
up
so
much
so
we
you
know
to
scale
it
realistically.
I
understand
you
can't.
You
know,
build
something
on
a
square
and
expect
it
to
be
viable,
but
there
should
be
some
oversight
and
that
can
be
self-enforced
and
self-presented
when
it
comes
back
before
us.
So
should
I
ask
you
to
keep
that
in
consideration.
C
A
Commissioners
or
board
members,
it's
nine
o'clock
item
seven.
Is
the
workshop
session
I'm
inclined
for
us
to
pick
it
up
in
two
weeks:
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
most
of
us
are
at
our
best
at
this
point.
To
try
to
delve
into
that
is.
Is
that
agreeable?
J
No,
you
know
I,
just
I
would
like
to
just
you
know
at
any
point
in
time.
You
know
I
feel
like
we're
just
procedurally
we're
still
working
through
a
lot
of
things,
and
you
know,
please
don't
hesitate
to
call
myself
call
the
attorney.
You
know
you
know.
Just
I
would
rather
have
conversations
you
know
in
advance
and
understand
what
people's
concerns
are.
You
know
also
and
I
would
just
ask
understanding.
You
know.
I'm
also
have
to
be
meeting
the
Board
of
Commissioners
wants
and
needs,
and
things
as
well.
J
So
you
know
the
things
that
the
materials
that
come
forward-
you
know
we're,
you
know
we're
doing
our
best,
but
if
we're
not
getting
it
there
for
you,
we
need
to
know
that,
and
you
know
you
know
so
we're
receptive
to
whatever
we've
got
to
do
to
make
these
things.
You
know
at
least
you
know
as
transparent
as
possible.
You
know,
given
the
limitations
of
what
I've
got
to
work
under,
so
just
wanted
to
say
that.
F
Thank
you
and
I
I
do
try
I
mean
I
met
with
you
last
week.
I
do
try
to
do
that.
This
was
a
question.
I
didn't
even
know.
I
could
ask
I
didn't
know
that
that
there
was
knowledge
of
what
was
there.
I
would
have
asked
if
I
had
known
you
known.
So
it
wasn't
a
question
that
even
crossed
my
mind
to
ask
right.
I
just
was
not
under
that
impression
and
I'm
still
learning
so
I'm
not
trying
to
bring
things
up
like
yeah
on
the
spot,
like
that,
I
am
trying
to
avoid
those
issues.
A
A
I
think
when,
when
we
do
in
a
workshop
setting
talk
about
problems
that
we've
run
into
on
on
making
the
the
ordinance
and
and
the
in
the
processes
and
everything
dovetail
and
work
for
us,
I
think
somehow
we
we
need
a
way
on
a
swap
of
zoning
and
land
use
like
this
one
to
perhaps
limit
the
intensity
of
floor
area
ratios
or,
or
things
like
that,
so
that
so
that
we
don't
wind
up
giving
a
developer
a
100
percent
increase
in
the
floor
area
ratio
that
they
can
build.