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A
A
C
Hey
you
guys
hi.
Is
it
possible
to
have
a
chat
box
at
the
bottom?
The
reason
I'm
asking
is,
I
actually
have
another
meeting.
Diane
might
have,
let
you
guys
know
about
that,
and
so,
if
I
do
have
to
jump
off
to
join
the
other
one,
then
I
thought
I
would
be
able
to
use
the
chat
box
to
let
you
guys
know
would
that
work
for
you
well.
C
E
Yes-
and
I
don't
know,
let's
see
mark
jump
if
we
can
get
that
xbox
there.
I'm
not
sure.
B
A
D
F
D
D
Okay,
we
do
have
a
quorum,
and
I
see
we
also
have
chief
coaching
in
attendance
mark.
Are
there
any
other
guests.
D
Okay,
I'd
like
to
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
from
the
september
8
2020
meeting
so
move.
D
Do
I
hear
a
second
second
any
discussion,
all
in
favor
all
right,
okay
minutes
approved
as
submitted
okay,
we're
going
to
old
business
current
project
updates
the
illuminated
art
boxes.
I
am
very
happy
to
tell
everyone
that
this
project
is
complete.
D
All
of
the
components
in
place
we
have
the
art
boxes,
all
the
prints
are
done.
All
of
the
solar.
You
know,
solar
elements
are
there.
The
one
thing
that
remains
to
be
done
is
the
installation,
and
here's
where
we've
run
into
a
hiccup
public
works
is
over
committed
and
understaffed.
Due
to
the
covet
virus,
tom
fun
function
is
looking
into
private
contractors
to
see
whether
they
can
help
with
the
installation
of
the
art
boxes,
but
we
may
be
looking
at
a
couple
of
months
before
they
actually
go.
A
D
D
He
and
diane
have
prepared
drafts
of
the
brochures
for
the
artists
for
the
art
boxes,
which
will
be
either
printed
in-house
or
set
out
for
printing,
depending
on
how
many
we
get
and
they're
going
to
be
at
the
tarpon
springs
chamber
of
commerce
and
hopefully
in
some
of
the
shops
and
diane
did
you?
Are
you
prepared
to
show
them
the
two
drafts
that
nick
prepared?
So
we
could
get
some
feedback.
E
No,
he
they
were
really
rough
drafts.
Basically
one
was
a
two-pager
and
then
the
other
one
which
would
be
you
know,
done
with
a
a
staple
and
then
the
other
one
was
a
four-fold
brochure
which
we
thought
was
a
lot
more
professional
looking
and
but
he
just
basically
put
in
black
boxes-
and
you
know
the
artist
information
so
we'll
have
that
for
the
next
meeting.
But
since
you
know
we're
in
weight
mode,
I
didn't
feel
like
it
was.
You
know
we
needed
to
have.
D
E
D
Right
if
city
hall
reopens
yeah,
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
places
that
it
can
go.
So
I'm
very
I'm
very
excited
about
this
project
and
I
can't
wait
to
see
it
finally
up
and
running.
Okay.
Does
anybody
else
have
any
comments
or
questions
lucian.
D
Well,
we
have
potential,
we
diane
and
I
did
a
drive-by
and
we
were
going
to
group
them
in
three
groups
of
five
one
toward
the
western
part
of
the
sponge
docks
on
the
north
side
of
the
street,
one
around
the
sponge
diver
statue
on
the
south
side
of
the
street
and
one
a
little
further
east.
D
So
but
since
they're
not
about
to
be
installed
yet
I
figured
we
could
probably
either
you
know
do
that
by
email
or
try
to
you
know
get
it
done.
One
of
one
of
the
issues
is
that
the
polls
aren't
marked,
so
I'm
going
to
have
to
sit
down
and
go
through
the
map
that
has
the
polls
and
then
I
guess,
when
we
get
it
as
a
draft,
diane
can
send
it
out
to
everybody.
D
D
You
know
at
the
very
least,
they'll
be
backups,
you
know,
you
know,
should
anything
happen,
but
then
you
know
once,
as
I
said,
the
original
15
are
up
on
the
docks.
Then
we
can
explore
some
other
places
and
we
can
always
add
to
it.
You
know
now
that
we've
got
the
you
know
the
vendor
and
the
vendors
got
all
the
specs.
It's
you
know
the
printer
has
the
specs.
You
know
we
could
always
add
ad
to
it.
D
Okay,
next
item
is
the
dumpster
and
sandbag
corral
beautification
and
does
how
do
people
feel
about
continuing
that
or
deferring
it
to
the
next
meeting
or
just
not
doing
it
at
all
nikila.
C
This
is
sort
of
going
with
something
that's
going
to
come
later,
but
I
think
there
are
some
places
where
we
can
get
more
visibility
on
public
buildings
where
we
can
spend
money
that
would
be
better
used
than
than
around
a
dumpster
for
for
highlighting
some
of
those
those
kind
of
projects,
so
even
some
for
young
artists.
C
So
when
we
get
to
the
powerpoint
presentation
I
made
for
places
where
public
art
might
work
on
city-owned
buildings,
there
are
at
least
two
that
I
can
think
of
that
would
work
for
smaller
projects
that
we
talked
about
like
a
thousand
dollar
design
fee,
plus
materials
type
of
thing,
where
more
people
would
see
it
than
in
the
dumpster
enclosure.
D
Okay,
welcome
mr
stackhouse,
it
looks
like
he
just
logged
on
so
mchill
is
suggesting.
We
defer
it
at
least
to
another
part
of
the
meeting,
or
do
you
think
we
should
was
he
in.
G
G
D
We
actually
talked
about
it
quite
a
bit
at
the
last
meeting.
That's
the
ballpark
ball
field.
G
Yeah
we
talked
about
the
water
tower,
we
talked
about,
maybe
major
league
baseball
contributing,
but
I
didn't
know
we
were
talking
specifically
about
a
mural.
D
Well,
trish,
did
you
have
a
comment.
A
Yeah,
I
well
we're
not
at
that
portion
yet,
but
I
had
a
question
about
michaela's
report
where
it
says
that
they
don't
she
doesn't
advise
doing
anything
with
the
sister
phil.
But
when
I
was
there
last
I
saw
several
places
that
would
be
good
for
murals.
So
you
know
I
didn't
understand
that,
but
we're
not
there
yet
on
the
on
the
agenda.
D
Well,
I
was
actually
going
to
prioritize
sisler
field
today
because
I
think
that
you
know
given
the
the
use
it
has
and
the
history
in
the
town.
You
know
I
I
was
actually
going
to
talk
to
diane
about
putting
out
a
call
to
artists.
You
know
and
I've
actually
researched,
george
sisler
and
came
out
with
a
you
know,
an
awful
lot
of
information
that
could
be
used
as
inspiration.
D
A
A
Oh
okay:
well
I
make
a
move
that
we
do
a
call
to
artist
for
the
sister
field,
yeah.
D
Quite
right,
there's
actually
quite
a
few
opportunities
for
murals.
There
are
several
buildings
with
smaller
walls
and
you
know.
Obviously
this
would
also
lend
itself
to
younger
artists.
Who
would
do
you
know
sports
type?
You
know
representations,
you
know,
kids
playing
baseball,
you
know
some
acknowledgement
of
sisler
himself.
He
was
inducted
into
the
baseball
hall
of
fame.
D
You
know-
and
you
know
he
is
a
part
of
you
know-
tarpon
history,
so
you
know
you
know,
that's
what
I
thought
since
we're
working
with
that
you
know
thousand
dollar
cap
on
the
fees.
This
would
probably
be
an
ideal
location
to
at
least
get
something
started
with
it.
D
D
D
A
D
F
D
Well,
trish,
I
think,
did
you
mention
at
some
point
that
you
took
some
photographs
of
it
and
you
know.
A
D
D
E
Maybe
we
might
have
someone
go
out
or
have
trish
share
her
photos
of
potential
sites
and
bring
it
to
the
next
meeting.
Would
that
be
acceptable.
D
Okay
right,
it
is
one
of
the
city
sites.
You
know
it
does,
you
know,
fall
into
all.
You
know
all
our
parameters
and
it
is
a
very
heavily
used
location
and
it
does
look
kind
of
you
know
it
could
do
some
sprucing
up.
I
think
you
know
some
nice
murals.
There
would
really
go
a
long
way.
D
D
Elizabeth
indiana's
continues
to
work
on
the
mural
and
lynn
pearson
installed
her
sculpture
at
the
tsfd
and
I
believe
diane
there
she
goes
she
got
ahead
of
me.
Diane
gave
you
a
handout
of
the
pearson
louisa
christopher
still,
and
a
couple
of
samples
of
the
images
in
the
art
boxes,
and
I.
A
D
Okay,
okay,
the
bahamian
sponger
project
that
seems
to
have
gone
sideways,
so
I
think
I'd
like
to
defer
that
till
at
least
the
next
meeting.
Maybe
we
I
could
do
some
more
research
on
it.
Does
anybody
have
any
thoughts
on
that
lucian.
G
D
Well,
I
I
I
think
you
just
kind
of
summed
it
up.
We
seem
to
have
you
know,
you
know
the
discussion
has
basically
gone
a
little
sideways
there.
You
know,
there's
you
know
a
lot
of
different
opinions
about
what
it
should
be,
where
it
should
go,
how
the
community
feels
about
it,
and
I
think
we
just
you
know,
perhaps
need
some.
You
know
some
more
extensive
outreach
and
again.
This
is
something
I'd
be
willing
to
take
on
to
try
to
see
whether
it's
you
know
got
enough
legs
to
continue
to
pursue.
D
Thank
you
and
it
does
that.
Does
that
help,
or
you
know
I
I
think
I
think
it's
a
it's.
A
significant
part
of
tarpon
springs
history,
and
I
think
we
should
do
something
about
it,
but
you
know,
as
I
said
we
seem
to
have
you
know,
diverged.
You
know
a
lot
from
what
the
original
concept.
A
D
Well,
the
original
the
original
project
which
was
presented
to
the
board
of
commissioners,
was
to
commission
a
bronze
statue
somewhere
along
the
scale
of
the
sponge
diver
that
exists
on
the
sponge.
Docks
of
you
know
a
bahamian
sponge.
D
You
know
sponger
that
used
the
you
know
the
pole
and
the
steel
hook,
which
you
know
which
were
the
original.
You
know
sponges
here
in
town,
and
you
know
many,
but
not
all
were
from
the
bahamas
and
were
you
know,
had
african-american
roots.
D
So,
as
I
said,
I
think
you
know
I
want
to
go
back.
You
know
I've
gone
to
the
library
of
congress.
I've
done
extensive
research,
but
I'm
going
to
just
revisit
it.
I
think
and
make
a
you
know
a
little
more
solid
presentation
to
the
you
know
to
the
pack
to
see
where
people
want
to
go
with
it.
B
Well,
sorry,
I'm
late,
I'm
up
here
on
a
mountaintop
and
things
are
slow,
but
the
the
the
the
difference
between
the
sponge
diet.
The
the
greek
sponge
diary
has
got
the
paraphernalia
that
says
what
it
is
and
the
the
problem
with
the
bohemian
sponge
diver,
it's
not
a
problem
with
it.
It's
it's
a
complexity
of
of
how
to
get
that
across
and
it
it
mean
you
know
doing
a
a
bronze
sculpture
of
that.
B
You
know
requires
the
the
ability
of
the
artist
that's
chosen
for
it
or
how
we
lay
out
how
we
want
to
see
the
the
bahamian
sponger
depicted
in
a
way
how
how
we
want
to
tell
that
story.
Can
we
do
it
in
a
in
a
bronze,
that's
affordable?
Can
we
do
it
in
another
way?
I
mean
that's
something
I
think
we
we
discussed
a
little
bit
last
time
was
that
maybe
maybe
the
venue
has
to
be
re-looked
at
and
see
how
to
to
best
represent
that
aspect
of
the
history
of
tarpon
springs.
D
Well,
the
thing
is
that
you
know,
because
you
know
they
were
basically
working.
You
know,
prior
to
you,
know,
1905.
When
the
you
know
the
regular
sponge
diving
suit
came
over
from
greece,
there
aren't
all
that
many
photographic
depictions
of
them
and
for
the
most
part
they
wore.
You
know,
khaki,
pants,
a
white
shirt
and
a
fedora.
D
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
could
translate.
Well,
I
think
that
a
figure
that
stood
alongside
the
other
one
I
I
could
see
somebody
handling
that
you
know
they
do
a
really
good
quality
figure,
human
figure
with
with
a
bucket
with
a
pull-
and
you
know
and
and
there's
a
probably
a
bronze
cast
description
of.
What's
going
on
or
something
like
that,
you
know
that
that
adds
to
it
that
tells
that
combines
those
two
elements:
the
two
the
two
different
sponges
as
the
early
history.
I
could
see
somebody
doing
that
and
doing
it.
B
Well,
I
think
it
just
needs
to
be.
You
need
to
do
a
an
african-american
or
a
bahamian-american
sponger
that
has
that
paraphernalia
and
we
have
record
of
what
that
paraphernalia
is.
So
it's
it's.
You
know
it
I!
I
could
see
somebody
handling
that
artistically.
B
B
B
B
I
don't
know,
but
then
that
doesn't
deal
with
the
bahamian
heritage
and
in
the
african
american
community
here
and
make
that
connection
and
and
that's
sort
of
the
issue
I
mean
we
talked
about
last
time.
Some
people
in
the
african-american
community
don't
see
any
relationship
to
this.
I,
but
I
I
don't
see
why
somebody
in
a
community
would
not
want
some
kind
of
recognition
of
their
forebears
here.
D
A
D
I
I
had
spoken
to
a
lot
of
people.
You
know
when
I
was
kind
of
bouncing
this
idea
around
and
you
know
actually
a
lot
of
these
people.
You
know
descended
from
the
sponge
hookers.
I
know
I
believe,
annie
dabz,
you
know
who's
a
you
know.
D
You
know
very
notable.
Member
of
the
tarpon
springs
community.
I
believe
her.
You
know
those
were
her
roots
with
the
you
know.
With
the
you
know
the
hookers,
but
you
know,
the
only
thing
I
can
do
is
try
to
do
more
research
and
bring
it
back
to
the
committee
and
see
you
know
how
everybody
feels
about
it.
A
B
What
was
the
was
the
greek
community
consulted
about
the
sponge
diary?
That's
already
there,
or
was
it
just
added
it
as
a
well?
This
is
a
good
thing.
E
I
don't
have
it
on
my
fingertips,
but
I
believe
it
was
a
gift
to
the
city
by
one
of
the
greek
families,
but
I
know
it's
got
it
on
the
plaque.
It's
just
that.
I
don't
have
it.
You
know
readily
available
right
now.
B
Well,
I
don't
know
it's
it,
it's
kind
of
sticky
in
a
way
I
I
know,
there's
been
things
proposed
on
on
the
sponge.
Docs,
that's
been
sort
of
you
know,
rejected
by
the
the
shops
and
people
along
the
sponge
docks.
I've
heard
that
I
don't
know
I'm
new
here,
but
I've
heard
that
kind
of
thing
is
it.
Is
there
any
kind
of
a
problem
that
would
be
putting
up
a
bohemian
sponge
diver,
you
know.
Is
that
going
to
be
a
somebody
sees
it
as
a
political
statement.
D
B
D
D
D
C
D
E
I
think
you
probably
all
saw
the
results
and
I
don't
think
there's
too
many
surprises
there,
but
it
was
really
great
to
be
able
to
you
know
bob
robertson's
assistant
and
karen
lemons
and
the
merchants
association.
E
They
hand
delivered
a
lot
of
paper
surveys
to
a
lot
of
the
sponge,
docs
businesses
and
owners
and
everything.
And,
of
course
we
did
the
online
survey.
So
I
think
the
public
art
committee
did
a
great
job
by
you
know,
providing
very
valuable
information
to
the
city
and
also
to
the
board
of
commissioners
that
you
know
as
they
move
forward
with
this
project.
You
know
they've
got
at
least
you
know
a
good
idea
on
design
and
elements
that
people
would
like
to
see
incorporated
into
the
gateway
fund,
so
good
job,
okay,.
D
So
the
results
are
going
to
the
board
of
commissioners
and
I
believe
that
our
responsibilities
are
now
over
with
with
the
gateway
sign.
Yes,
okay,
all
right,
so
we
can
put
that
to
bed.
Okay,
now
we're
coming
to
the
opportunity
zone,
research.
D
F
Yeah
I'll
take
it
for
a
little
bit
here.
Diane
asked
me
to
speak
to
it.
Lucian,
please
add
in
because
this
was
a
collaborative
effort.
I
I
think
that
the
the
city
staff
did
a
fantastic
job
with
limited
abilities
for
us
to
communicate
to
really
come
up
with
this.
F
So
pramita
was
definitely
the
point
of
the
spear
that
that
made
this
happen,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
folks
in
it
and
marissa
and
diane
that
worked
hard
as
well,
and
I
thought
I'd
pull
up
the
one
that
shows
this
is
the
one
that's
called
public
art
display
in
suitable
areas
to
kind
of
focus
our
you
know
our
conversation
on.
Initially,
I
think
everybody
saw
this
is
the.
Can
you
see
my
cursor
as
I.
A
F
This
is
the
list
of
of
40
projects
that
were
identified,
both
public
being
the
purple
ones
with
city
of
tarpon
springs
and
the
blue
ones,
being
private
and
lucian
did
from
tarpon
avenue
south,
and
I
did
tarpon
avenue
north
to
to
the
encload
and
some
of
the
criteria
that
I
used
and
I
wasn't
even
able
to
compare
that
to
what
lucian
did.
F
But
what
I
used
was
if
a
business
had
a
shingle
out
that
didn't
count
as
artwork,
but
if
they
went
beyond
that,
as
in
the
distillery
along
alt
19
to
do
a
mural
on
the
entire
building,
I
considered
that
to
be
you
know
private
contribution
to
to
artwork.
So
that's
kind
of
the
how
I
made
that
how
it
discerned
those
those
two
different
points.
F
What's
neat
with
this
is
you've
got
the
combination
of
a
couple
different
things:
you've
got
the
wreck
areas
in
pink,
you've
got
the
tourist
areas
in
green,
local,
historic
district
in
orange
and
community
redevelopment.
So
you
and
and
you've
got
some
clusters
of
of
you
know
where
things
actually
come
together
and
combine
with
the
locations
of
the
art
that
we
identify.
F
F
We
also,
as
you
saw
the
breakdown
in
each
one
of
those
areas.
We
tried
to
get
some
sort
of
a
value
to
that
particular
delineated
area
and
the
way
we
were
able
to
achieve
that
is
through
the
county,
pinellas
county's.
You
know
taxing
information
and
and
really
what
the
the
current
value
of
that
property
is,
and
what
we're
looking
is
not
each
individual
property
but
a
combined
for
the
area.
So
as
we're
able
to
delineate
more
areas
say
if
we
were
able
to
say
you
know,
this
is
the
beach
area.
F
We've
got
the
the
fruit
bowl
down
here
and
we've
got
different
areas
or
different
neighborhoods,
we'll
be
able
to
get
some
sort
of
an
idea.
F
You
know,
what's
the
the
economic
value
of
that
particular
neighborhood,
and
you
know
if
there's
developers
that
are
in
there
doing
things
and
the
contributions
are
made,
as
as
part
of
that
towards
public
art,
to
make
sure
that
we're
utilizing
all
those
funds
in
in
an
area
that
that
really
deserves
and
needs
to
have
that
that
attention
put
to
it
so
other
things
that
they
think
that
you
know
we
we
could
look
at
is
possibly
identify
the
art
type
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
a
good
spread
of
our
type,
whether
it's
a
mural,
whether
it's
sculpture,
whether
it's
infrastructure,
you
know
meaning
benches
and
manhole,
covers
and
street.
F
So
you
know
walkways
that
are
identified
and
and
and
used,
and
then
you
know,
the
other
thing
I
think
we
need
to
do
is
really
coordinate
this
with
other.
You
know
community
initiatives
that
are
taking
place
if
the
board
of
commissioners
has
some
something
they
really
want
to
focus
on.
F
I
think
we
could
help
with
how
we
look
at
that
in
in
coordination
with
everything
else
that
we're
doing
and
how
we
set
our
priorities
as
to
you
know
which
projects
we
want
to
tackle
next
and
where
we
have
a
deficiency
both
in
geographic
area
and
also
in
the
type
of
art.
So
lucian.
Why
don't
you
kick
in
with
with
any
thoughts
that
you
have.
G
Briefly,
because
you've
you've
done
a
great
job
of
of
the
overview
bill.
These
areas
that
are
on
the
screen
represent
at
least
to
me
areas
where
there
has
been
considerable
investment,
both
in
public
art
infrastructure
and
other
things.
For
example,
the
cra.
G
The
historic
districts
are
qualified
for
various
federal
funding,
so
I'd
kind
of
like
to
broaden
our
attention
outside
these
areas
to
maybe
heavily
trafficked
roads
that
are
not
necessarily
within
this.
This
zone
of
attention,
for
example,
the
whole
length
of
mlk,
for
example,
the
length
of
gulf
road
out
to
the
beaches.
I
think
there
are
some
opportunities,
both
in
terms
of
underserved,
neighborhoods
and
heavily
traveled
routes
that
could
expand
this
area.
F
E
I
I
think
you
know
these
are
great
tools
for
the
committee,
and
you
know,
probably
one
of
the
reasons
that
you
see
the
public
art
by
the
businesses,
the
private,
as
well
as
the
current
public
art,
is
that
they
are
in
highly
visible
areas.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
most
cities
will
do
is
you
know
they're
going
to
put
their
public
art
in
places
that
are
most
visual?
E
You
know
for
the
majority
of
people,
so
I
think
your
ideas
with
you
know,
high
traffic
areas
you
know
are
are
good
as
well.
As
you
know,
some
of
the
recreation
areas
where
you
know
they're
used
a
lot
in
tarpon
springs,
so
they
would
get
a
lot
of
exposure.
You
know
there
as
well.
We
have
some
beautiful
parks
that
are
well
utilized
as
well.
So
I
think
there's
plenty
of
opportunity-
and
this
is
a
great
start.
E
You
know
and
as
bill
said
on
those
excel
sheets
that
we
gave
to
parameda,
we
also
identified
whether
it
was
a
mural
or
a
sculpture,
or
you
know
the
type
of
art
it
was
so
we'll
be
able
to
share
those
with
you,
and
you
know
you
can
have
those
to
refer
to
as
well
as
you
all
are
in
discussions.
D
Yeah,
I
think
this
is
you,
you
know
kudos
to
all
of
you.
This
is
a
this
is
a
great
resource
because
it
really
lays
everything
out
in
a
very
visual
way,
so
we
can
kind
of
see
where
the
concentration
is
the
different
types
of
areas
we're
talking
about,
and
you
know
as
bill
said
too.
I
think
we
could
see.
Kind
of
you
know
where
sisler
field
might
fit
in
here
is
a
highly
used
but
kind
of
outlying
area
that
might
deserve
some
attention.
G
I
don't
know-
and
I
haven't
really
studied
golf
road-
to
see
what
opportunities
there
might
be,
but
I
think
either
of
those
is
potential
for
the
illuminated
boxes
if
they're,
if
in
fact,
there
are
any
light
fixtures
there,
I
think
there
are
also
we've
talked
about
this
before,
but
the
main
roads
around
the
bayous
like
riverside.
G
I
I
I
like
what
we're
doing
in
terms
of
murals,
but
I
think
that
there's
opportunity
for
three-dimensional
work,
particularly
if
it's
kinetic.
B
A
longer
side
drive
there's
the
the
innis
park,
which
is
a
a
structure.
You
know
it's
right,
there
there's
a
lot
of
road
traffic
and
it's
one
of
the
and
it's
it's
not
on
here.
It's
it's
not
part
of
any
of
the.
You
know
it's
not
a
recreation,
concrete
configuration
that
I
understand.
It's
called
the
innis
park
and
it's
the
head
of
venice
drive
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
and
it
it
looks
like
something
that
that
we
haven't
mentioned.
B
I
don't
think,
but
there
you
know
I
I
remember
and
and
think
of
a
lot
of
people
who
have
done
landscape,
art
or
or
design
design
parks
as
an
art
form,
and
that
kind
of
thing
would
would
work
that
way.
It's
not
a
heavy
foot
trafficked
area,
but
boy.
There
are
a
lot
of
cars
go
by
there
and
it's
something
that
that
that
could
be
beyond
the
thing.
It's
not
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
park
and
it's
a
very,
very
small
park,
but
it's
I
I
thought
it
personally.
B
I
thought
it
was
a
private
structure
from
the
house
behind
it,
but
but
yeah
right
there,
where
the
cursor
is
is
where
that
is
and
innis
is
a
big
part
of
the
early
culture
of
tarpon
springs
and
the
innocence.
Both
of
them
were
world
famous,
hudson
river
school
painters,
but
they
were
the
american
equivalent
of
major
art
stars
so
now
and
there's
a
lot
of
sculpture,
that's
not
objects
or
structures
that
we
normally
associate.
G
Lucian,
I
love
that
idea
and
I
think
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
showcase
florida
native
plants,
which
ought
to
be
part
of
our
world
view.
As
as
our
environment
changes.
G
G
E
Of
our
former
members
of
the
public
art
committee
had
brought
that
up
quite
so
about
in
this
heart.
So
yeah,
that's
a
really
key
location,
and
I
can't
right
off
the
top.
I
remember
if
it's
privately
owned
or
it's
a
city
park
but
we'll
find
out
and
get
that
information
for
you
all.
I
think
it's
a
great
location
too.
D
B
Well,
I
I
let
me
add
on
there
I
think
lucian
said
it,
I'm
I'm
not
sure,
but
that
you
know
the
the
way
the
environment's
going.
It's
becoming
a
major
major
topic,
and
we
certainly
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
deal
with
environmental
issues
oral
environmental
awareness
in
whatever
we
do
with
with
with
our.
I
think
it
needs
to
be.
D
E
D
I
I
I
would
like
it.
If
everybody
could,
you
know,
brought
something
you
know,
get
everybody
involved
and
see
what
you
know.
You
know
the
concepts
are
you
know
from
the
whole
committee
sure
somebody's
got
some,
you
know,
access
to
you
know
ideas
or
art
forms
that
you
know
they
might
like
to.
You
know
espouse.
D
Right,
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that,
because
of
sunshine
laws,
we
can't
communicate
directly
with
each
other.
So
you
know
I
you
know
well,
I
understand
it
works
for
something
like
you
know,
planning
and
zoning.
It's
not
the
greatest
thing
to
do
in
the
arts,
but
that's
that's
the
way
it's
set
up.
So
be
that
as
it
may,
john.
G
Yes,
not
to
beat
a
dead
horse,
but
I'm
pretty
good
at
that.
I
thought
the
sunshine
law
did
not
limit
us
from
sharing
information.
That
was
not
specifically
related
to
an
action
that
we
were
taking.
D
Right,
it's
well
yeah.
The
thing
is
that
you
know
if
we
are
looking
to
act
on
some
of
these
art
projects,
I
guess
it
falls
under
that
rubric.
So
we
might
you
know
I
mean
I've
always
aired
on
the
side
of
caution
with
the
sunshine
laws,
because
you
know
frankly,
I've
gotten
my
hand
slapped
a
couple
of
times
when
I
first
got
on
the
committee.
D
You
know
for
doing
you
know
things
I
thought
were
completely
innocent,
but
you
know
I,
I
guess
the
the
the
way
of
caution
is
just
to
send
everything
to
diane
and
have
her
disseminate
it.
E
You
might
want
to
also
you
know
when
you
first
got
on
the
committee.
There
was
some
things
that
the
clerk's
office
gave
you
the
videos
and
different
things
to
watch,
and
you
know
some
information
about
sunshine
law
and
you
might
want
to
just
go
ahead
and
you
can
google
it
too
it's
like,
but
I
know
it's
very
strict
and
it's
perimeter,
so
you
know
we
you.
D
D
Right
I
mean
we
when
I
came
on
the
committee,
we
were
meeting
in
just
such
an
environment
at
the
at
the
library
and
it
was
it
seemed
like
it
was
much
more
collegial
and
productive.
You
know
the
zoom
meetings
while
they
accomplish
accomplish
a
purpose
of
you
know
getting
at
least
getting
us
together.
D
E
D
Okay.
Moving
on
to
the
next
topic,
kyle
pierce
and
the
pelican
sculptures.
All
I
can
say
is
the
last
time
I
spoke
to
him.
He
has
given
us
assurances
that
you
know
he
is
working
on
them.
So
let's
keep
our
fingers
for
us.
Okay,
the
recycling
container
sculptures!
D
Okay,
do
we
want
to
continue
this
or
terminate
it?
We
really.
It's
been
bouncing
around
that
in
the
background
of
things,
I
know
bill
you've
kind
of
tackled
it
for
a
while
and
experienced
a
certain
amount
of
frustration.
So
I'm
going
to
bounce
it
over
to
you
to
get
your
opinion.
F
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
merit
to
something
there
at
sunset
park
related
to,
as
we
talked
about
environmental
earlier,
it
related
to
recycling
related
to
to
literally
related
to
something.
You
know,
one
of
the
thoughts
that
I
had
and
again
I'm
one
that
thinks
that
we've
got
a
lot
of
murals
around
town.
F
A
lot
of
them
tell
you
know
great
stories,
but
I'm
trying
to
watch
that
everything
isn't
a
mural,
but
as
you
exit
the
park
there
at
sunset
park,
the
can
the
walls
for
the
dumpster
and
actually
the
walls
for
the
gates
are
a
really
beautiful
canvas
for
some
sort
of
a
message,
and
you
know
it
may
even
be
neat
to
pull
some
of
the
high
school
or
middle
school
artists
into
coming
up
with
something.
As
part
of
of
that.
So
it's
just.
F
I
think
we
should
do
something
related
to
recycling
litter
leave.
Only
your
footprint
is
has
been
overused,
but
something
along
those
lines,
and
maybe
it's
an
opportunity
for
for
for
us
to
reach
out
to
the
schools
and
get
some.
You
know.
Young
artists
involved.
D
How
do
you
feel
about
the
actual
you
know
the
recycling
containers?
Does
it
sound
like
you
mentioned
some
murals,
but
what
about
the
containers
themselves.
F
The
containers
themselves-
I
think
you
know
until
we
get
department
of
public
works,
to
take
a
look
at
them.
I
think
they
can
be
problematic
with
getting
them
emptied
cleaned.
I
think
there's
some
things
that
make
them
a
bit
frail
as
that
message
for
recycling.
F
Yeah,
I
I
I
think,
kyle's
too
busy
with
other
things.
I
know
he's
he's
been
good
in
tension
with
with
trying
to
promise.
You
know
dates
with
delivery
of
things,
but
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
possible.
I
think
he
just
says
too
much
on
his
plate
right
now.
So
if
we
were
to
stay
along
those
lines,
we
probably
need
to
go
out
and
have
a
call
for
artists.
D
Well,
the
original
project,
which
you
know
sort
of
came
up
you
know
to
the
board
of
commissioners
in
2019,
didn't
involve
kyle.
They
were
kind
of
these.
You
know
mesh
sculptures,
you
know
that
were,
and
they
were
actually
you
know,
we've
discussed
with
public
works
as
to
you
know
their
feasibility
lining
and
stuff.
D
Like
that,
do
we
want
to
go
back
to
that
or
do
we
want
to
start
something
new
or
you
know
you
know
we
keep
circling
around
these
projects
and
you
know
I'm
trying
to
pull
the
trigger
on
a
few
things
so,
but
I
want
to
get
your
you
know
your
feeling
about
it,
because
we
are
a
committee.
F
D
G
Do
we
have
solid
enough
specifications
from
public
works
that
we
could
go
out
for
on
a
call
for
artists,
because
I
think
what
we
get
back
will
only
be
as
strong
as
what
they
specify
in
terms
of
ease
of
use
and
unloading
and
blah
blah
blah.
But
I'd
love
to
see
a
call
for
artists
on
it.
If
we
right
have
good
enough
specs.
E
I
I
you
know
from
talking
to
public
works.
I
believe
that
their
issues
and
some
of
the
things
that
were
brought
up
by
the
board
of
commissioners
was,
you
know
like
the
smell
and
animals
getting
into
things.
Also.
You
know
it's
got
to
be
easy
to
for
them
to
dump
it.
You
know,
and
so
there
have
to
be
some
kind.
I
mean
when
they
first
saw
the
mesh
it's
kind
of
like
there
was
just
a
whole
bunch
of
you
know
trash
in
it,
and
it's
like
you
have
to.
E
D
F
Is
is
it's
you're
not
there,
and
people
will
do
things
that
they
shouldn't
do
and
all
these
things
that
they
shouldn't
place
in
there
so
diane.
Would
it
make
sense
for
you
and
I
to
meet
with
tom
and
try
to
see
you
know
how
viable
it
is
sure
I
mean
I
mean.
That's.
Probably
the
best
step
to
take
is
to
talk
to
department
of
public
works
and
say
you
know
what
parameters
do
you
have?
F
D
D
Okay,
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
golf
course
water
tower,
and
I
think
you
know
again.
This
is
something
you
know
do
we
want
to
take
this
on
and
if
we
do,
what
is
the
scope?
Do
we
want
to
do
just
the
sides
facing
the
ball
field?
The
entire
tower
you
know
break
it
up.
I
think
we
discussed
having
one
artist.
Do
the
whole
thing
for
the
sake
of
continuity,
but
you
know:
do
we
want
an
artist
to
do
the
whole
tower,
which
is
pretty
massive
nikhila.
C
I
have
a
question
about
that.
I
was
driving
around
obviously
taking
pictures.
I
couldn't
see
much
of
the
water
tower
from
where
I
was
driving.
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
a
project
like
that,
how
many
people
would
actually
see
it.
That
was
a
big
concern
with
all
of
the
sites
that
I
looked
at
is
you
know?
G
Yeah
I
agree
with
nisha
eli
and
we
did
move
last
meeting
to
defer
it
until
we
had
prioritized
other
locations,
but
I
think
it's
a
massive
project
that
will
be
very
lightly.
Viewed.
D
Okay,
so
shall
we
put
it
on
the
back
burner
again?
Okay
for
extensive
deferment?
Yes,
okay,
do
I
need
a
motion
diane
or
yeah?
Let's.
D
A
motion
and
vote
okay,
can
I
get
a
motion
to
defer
the
any
further
discussion
on
the
water
tower.
I
still
move.
Second.
B
G
B
G
He
he
votes
for
theo.
F
D
Okay
motion
pass
to
defer:
okay,
the
new
business,
the
utility
box,
art
wrapping.
I
think
I
can
summarize
that
diane
did
some
research
and
all
of
our
boxes
in
town
are
duke
energy
boxes
and
they
don't
allow
for
any
painting
or
wrapping.
Is
that
correct
diane?
If
you
want
to
yes,
okay,
so
that
that
kind
of
knocks
that
out
another?
This
is
also
kind
of
straightforward:
the
story,
time
glenna
goodacre
statue,
which
is
being
installed
at
the
you
know
cultural
center.
D
The
base
is
finished,
the
up
lighting
and
landscaping
are
in
progress.
Diane
has
is
holding
up
one
of
the
attachments
she
sent
us
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
today
is
decide
whether
we
want
a
bronze
or
aluminum
plaque.
Diane
also
provided
some
general
cost
comparisons.
D
The
aluminum
is
less
expensive.
The
wording
was
decided
at
a
pac
meeting
last
year.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
any
objections
to
it,
it's
pretty
straightforward.
D
So
is
there
any
discussion
about
the
materials
for
the
plaque
michaela.
C
I
had
a
question:
would
the
aluminum
hold
up
better
under
weathering
conditions?
I
do
know
that
bronzes,
if
properly
taken
care
of
need
to
be
cold,
waxed
or
hot
waxed
every
so
often
I
have
not
aware
of
aluminum
needing
any
such
thing.
You
know
I
would
go
to
walmart
and
buy
the
aluminum
cleaner
and
spray
with
that,
but
that's
not
very
professional
anyway.
So
I
just
wanted
to
see.
Is
there
obviously
there's
a
difference
in
price,
but
is
there
a
difference
in
upkeep
so
that
it
would
stay
nice
longer
diameter.
E
Yeah,
yes,
that's
a
real
good
point.
Yes,
they
said
he
assured
me
and
it
could
be
done
very
beautifully.
You
know
just
like
the
bronze
as
well,
and
it
would
definitely
stand
up
to
the
weather
much
better
and
it
would
be
like
on
a
stake.
E
You
know
in
front
of
the
the
statue
and
everything
so
yes,
it
would
definitely
hold
up
better
and
it
could
be
done
very
professionally
and
precision
tooled.
So
it
would
look
really
nice
and
be
elevated.
D
Okay,
is
there
any
further
discussion,
or
can
I
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
purchase
of
a
an
aluminum
plaque
for
story
time.
D
No
okay,
all
in
favor,
aye
aye
any
opposed,
and
since
the
plaque
is
well
within
the
limits
set
out
by
the
ordinance
to
acquire,
we
don't
need
blc
approval
for
it.
I
think
we
just
have
to
run
it
by
the
city
manager.
D
Okay,
diane,
I
think
we
can
michaela.
Do
you
want
to
do
your
powerpoint.
C
Sure
is
it
something
that
you
guys
can
put
on
the
screen
chair
or
so
I
am
on
a
different
computer
than
where
the
powerpoint
is
because
of
the
other
meeting
that
I
had
so
I
know
that
it
was
sent
to
the
committee,
but
I.
E
C
Then,
if
you
could
look
at
something
else
for
just
a
moment,
I
will
transfer
it
from
one
computer
to
the
other
and
we
can
get
back
to
it.
Would
that
work
then
I
could.
D
Has
any
has
everybody
had
a
chance
to
review
the
powerpoint
that
was
sent
out?
Yes,
yes,
okay,
and
does
anybody
have
any
questions
or
comments
about
it.
D
Up,
no,
I
think
everybody
seems
satisfied
that
they
they
were
able
to
review
it
and
don't
seem
to
have
any
questions
or
comments.
Okay.
Well,
that's
that
makes
that
faster,
okay
and
diane
city
announcements.
I
think.
E
E
In
they
are
gonna
go
ahead
once
the
statues
have
been
placed,
they
are
going
to
go
ahead
and
do
some
landscaping
around
the
front
of
it.
So
it
will
deter
people
from
sitting
on
the
bench
with
the
statues
and
things
like
that.
They
could
they'll
be
able
to
stand
behind
it
and
take
photos.
You
know
or
stand
in
front
of
it
and
take
selfies
and
things
like
that,
but
we
didn't
want
people
climbing
or
sitting
on
the
bench.
You
know
right.
Statues.
D
D
Okay-
and
I
also
wanted
to
mention
that,
on
the
board
of
commissioner's
agenda
tonight-
they'll
be
filling
the
the
vacancy
on
the
pack,
so
we'll
find
out
who's.
You
know
who's
joining
us.
Okay.
Is
there
any
other
comments,
questions
who's
the
end.
G
Yeah
I
have
talked
a
little
bit
with
diane
about
understanding
where
the
money
has
come
from
that
is
in
our
budget
and
that
money
comes
from,
as
we
all
know,
from
those
developers
and
construction
projects
who
don't
choose
to
commission
and
install
their
own
artwork,
they
pay
a
certain
percentage
into
the
fund.
I
thought
it
would
be
instructive
for
us
to
know
where
that
money
has
come
from.
Historically
what
parts
of
town
those
projects
have
represented,
just
as
another
tool
for
understanding
our
situation.
G
D
Okay,
diane,
I
guess
you
could
get
that
from
mr
herring.
E
We've
already
we've
got
it.
There
was
so
much
for
this
meeting
that
we
decided
to
okay
go
ahead
and
make
it
an
addition
for
the
november
10th
meeting.
Okay
also,
I
will
say
that
paramita
told
me
that
the
those
maps
were
like
formatted
for
like
18
by
24
inches.
E
I
don't
have
the
the
kind
of
copier
my
biggest
copy
will
be
11
by
17,
but
I
could
get
you
all
a
copy
of
all
the
maps
printed
in
color,
maybe
from
staples
or
something,
and
we
could
use
some
of
the
pack
funds
for
that,
because
we
do
have
some
administrative
abilities
that
way
you
all
can
have
a
copy
that
you
can
refer
to.
Would
that
be
something
you'd
be
interested
in
instead
of
looking
at
it
on
a
screen,
lucian.
F
G
I'm
okay
with
the
screen
too,
because
I
can
expand
it.
E
Well,
the
beauty
of
what
parameta
has
done
is
she's
made
it
interactive
through
those
excel
files,
so
that
when
you
hover
on
a
piece
of
art,
you
can
see
the
price
you
can
see
the
location.
You
could
see
what
it
is.
So
that's
where
that
interactive
you,
you
would
lose
that
with
the
printed.
So,
okay
as
long
as
he's
happy
with
that.
D
Okay,
well,
our
next
regular
meeting
is
hard
to
believe
no
oh
bill
did
you
have
something
yeah.
F
Just
any
other
additional
things
I
mean,
you
know
anyone
from
the
committee,
if
you
have
any
ideas
of
what
may
make
this
tool
a
little
bit
more
powerful
or
you
know
as
lucian
just
added
you
know,
we've
we've
got
the
city
piece
that
michela
has
is
has
added.
So
all
those
things
will
make
this
continue
to
make
it
more
powerful,
but
it
has
to
be
collaborative.
Okay.
Everybody's
got
to
kick
into
it
so
that
you
get
your
piece
in
there
that
it
all
paints
a
picture.
D
Right
well
said:
okay,
so
believe
it
or
not
we're
actually
looking
toward
the
end
of
this
delightful
year.
Our
next
regular
meeting
is
november
10th
at
2am
2pm
via
zoom,
and
can
I
hear
a
motion
to
adjourn.
A
C
That's
funny,
okay
for
the
friends
I
have
in
north
carolina.
It
always
worked
because
there's
a
river
there
called
nantahala
and
people
go
rafting
there.
I'm
I'm
very.
A
C
Yeah,
so
that
was
what
a
funny
question:
okay,
one
more
question
for
bill:
if,
if
that's
okay
bill
with
a
lovely
overlays
that
you
guys
were
working
on,
would
do
you
think
it
would
be
possible
to
add
a
layer
for
the
potent
the
city
sites.