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A
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A
Thank
you
robin
all
right,
well,
good
to
see
everybody
again.
Apologies
for
missing!
Last
month,
my
little
coveted
experience,
and
so
now
I'm
immune
as
can
immune
can
be,
for
I
guess
a
couple
months.
Hopefully
right
so,
but
thank
you
paul
for
for
stepping
in
and
running
the
show.
C
A
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
like
to
entertain
a
motion
to.
D
F
A
Yes,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
note
that
addition
or
modification-
thank
you
with
that.
Can
someone.
E
G
If
I
may
add
something
on
that,
so
obviously
we're
catching
up
you'll,
see
in
the
coming
meetings,
we'll
be
having
probably
multiple
months
as
we're
working
it
out
with
robin
and
getting
some
other
help
to
catch
up.
This
was
something
our
department
took
over
and
we
have
all
the
records.
It's
just
a
matter
of
getting
it
on
paper
and
in
front
of
you
for
final
approval,
so
we'll
be
working
on
that
as
a
priority.
A
A
Thank
you
all
for
for
being
with
meeting
for
asking
questions,
and
you
know
obviously
thanks
to
the
staff
for
participating.
I
just
wanted
a
couple
questions
to
follow
up
there:
how
what
is
the
cadence
of
us
meeting
with
the
staff
with
that
staff
group
and
how
are
we
going
to?
How
are
they
going
to
incorporate
the
questions
that
we
asked
and
then
how
are
we
going
to
continue
working
with
them?.
G
As
far
as
future
staff
comments
questions,
I
would
say
that,
as
the
need
arises,
if
there's
a
particular
department
head
that
you
need
to
talk
to
about
something
we
can
do
that.
I
don't
know
that.
I
see
another
meeting
like
that
anytime
soon.
I
think
we've
got
some
other
things
to
focus
on
in
the
coming
months.
Community
engagement
really
is
what
I'm
talking
about.
So
that's
my
answer
for
that
robin
anything
else.
B
H
H
Since
you
said
that
paul,
I
went
back
over
that
meeting
recently
and
again.
It
struck
me,
as
it
did
during
the
meeting,
that
we
got
very
thorough
responses
from
public
services
from
the
police
from
the
fire
chief,
especially
from
tom
functions
department,
in
in
the
form
of
the
very
thorough
question
and
answer
period,
a
lot
of
information
that
that
shannon
brewer
and
you
know
another
member
of
her
staff
shared
with
us.
H
The
one
area
where
we
didn't
seem
to
be
on
the
same
page
concerned
economy
and
jobs,
both
the
written
and
the
verbal
responses
from
the
economic
development
department
did
not
seem
to
be
in
sync.
With
with
the
questions
we
asked
and
with
the
things
we
put
in
the
sustainability
plan,
we
might
benefit
from
another
meeting
with
them.
Okay,.
H
Yes,
well,
there
were
several
things
actually
carol
and
you
kicked
it
off
by
asking
a
question
about
the
library
program
that
we
were
referred
to
and
found
out
that
in
fact
it
had
not
been
running
and
only
recently
got
funding
from
outside
the
city.
And
then
I
asked
questions
about
from
the
first
area
of
economy
and
jobs.
H
The
percentage
workforce
in
tarpon
versus
the
rest
of
the
country
and
the
representative
could
not
answer
that
question
and
then
I
asked
a
question
about
specifically
green
jobs
and
would
they
be
included
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and
she
didn't
know,
and
she
then
said
you
know
we
don't
want
to
discourage
green
jobs.
Well,
that's
sort
of
the
opposite
of
of
where
we're
going.
So
I
think
you
know.
Maybe
we
need
to
to
be
more
informative
going
forward,
but
I
think
we
need
to
meet
with
that
department.
Specifically.
D
That
was
intriguing
and
they
were
so
excited
about
it
and
to
me
that
seems
like
a
very
important
thing
to
follow
up
on,
and
I
just
would
like
to
encourage
that
and
find
out
more
about
it.
A
And
then
I
didn't
you
know,
obviously
I
wasn't
there
to
be
able
to
ask
questions
or
give
input,
but
I
did
want
to
mention
that
in
ns1
the
local
action
eight
dedicated
percentage
of
funding
invested
in
green
infrastructure,
so
I'd
like
to
continue
to
advocate
that
arpa
funds
be
used
for
that.
That
was
also
kind
along
those
lines.
A
I
just
wanted
to
call
attention.
There
was
staff
comments
at
the
end
of
the
slides
that
that
I
don't
think
that
we
really
discuss.
I
didn't
see
much
of
a
discussion
because
I
did
watch
the
both
the
videos
in
real
time.
There
was
a
comment
about
creating
a
sustainability
fee,
possibly
attaching
it
to
building
permits
to
provide
funding
to
go
towards
sustainability
projects,
and
I
I
really
like
would
like
to
continue
discussing
that
recommendation.
There
was
a
staff
recommendation
at
future
meetings.
A
Yeah,
those
are
the
those
are
the
two
things
that
I
really
wanted
to
put
a
finer
point
on,
and
I
agree
with
you
paul
that
I
had
written
for
a
lot
of
the
economy
jobs.
A
lot
of
the
local
actions
I
didn't
think
were
addressed
well.
A
Yes,
yep:
okay,
let's
we
have
a
really
busy
agenda.
H
Point
of
personal
preference:
okay:
I
can't
get
online.
It's
asking
me
for
a
password
yeah.
We
have
a
new
password.
G
B
E
G
H
E
F
A
Okay
and
then
I
also
wanted
just
to
call
everybody's
attention
to
the
to
the
length
of
this
meeting
the
the
number
of
items
on
the
agenda
absolutely
and
that
we
have
a
presentation
from
arcadis
about
the
we
can
buy
you
project.
So
if
we
could
try
to
be
on
point
with
our
comments
and
succinct
that
would
be
awesome
tonight,
okay
and
then
next,
can
we
get
a
brief
update
then,
on
the
february,
2nd,
the
comp
plan
board
and
committee.
A
So
some
of
us
were
there
at
that
meeting
over
at
spc,
and
I
guess
my
question
is
like
how
how
are
we
going
to
show
up
as
a
group
for
the
next
meeting?
I
know
that
there's
going
to
be
another
meeting
they
mentioned,
and
I
know
that
they
had
wanted
to
do
kind
of
small
group
information
gathering,
but
because
of
covet
it
was
more
just
a
free
flow
of
ideas
throughout
the
evening
and
was
maybe
monopolized
by
a
couple
of
folks,
and
maybe
not
everybody
got
their
thoughts
out.
G
Yes,
so,
first
of
all,
I'm
really
proud
of
our
group.
We
had
a
great
turnout.
I
think-
and
I
do
look
forward
for
an
opportunity
for
more
sustainability
to
be
discussed
specifically-
and
I
did
mention
that
later
with
the
planning
and
zoning
staff
after
the
meeting
that-
and
they
said-
oh
of
course
we're
talking
about
how
to
do
that.
So
it's
on
their
radar,
I'm
going
to
leave
it
to
them
to
figure
out
how
that's
going
to
happen
and,
of
course,
we'll
keep
you
in
the
loop
on
as
it
develops.
G
But
I
do
think
there's
going
to
be
an
opportunity
to
talk
more
sustainability
in
in
detail.
As
you
mentioned
that
first
meeting,
they
sort
of
shifted
the
strategy
to
make
it
more
of
a
broad
understanding
of
planning
and
zoning,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
questions
that
were
mostly
related
to
zoning
and
planning
and
not
so
much
in
our
area.
So
yeah
look
forward
to
the
next
meeting
on
that
and
I
know
robin
will
be
staying
in
touch
and
letting
you
all
know
as
soon
as
she
knows
something
more.
G
The
easiest
way
to
do
it-
and
I
do
remember
hearing
that
so
that's
certainly
a
possibility.
A
B
Sure-
and
I
can
I'll
put
the
different
logos
and
flyers
on
the
screen
and
we
can
kind
of
go
over
them
that
way
and
do
a
vote
on
your
favorites
and
also
proving
the
sustainability
plan,
name,
which
there
was
a
motion
made
last
time.
I
believe
by
karen
to
vote
at
this
meeting
on
sustainable
turpin
springs
as
the
plan
name
in
particular.
B
B
This
is
option
number
three,
and
I
wanted
to
note
that
that
sponge
diver
helmet
is
actually
taken
from
the
entryway
signs
of
tarpon
springs.
So
we
thought,
since
that
has
already
received
approval
from
the
board
of
commissioners
that
particular
sponge
helmet.
That
might
be
a
easier
way
to
get
approval
for
this
logo
to
kind
of
use.
What
has
already
been
designed
by
consultants
for
the
city,
so
we
took
that
original
logo
and
put
a
sustainability
spin
on
it.
D
I
really
like
the
one
that
was
in
the
last
group.
We
got
last
time
last
month
with
the
gold
helmet
and
the
green
coming
out.
I
like
the
green
way
better
in
this
one,
and
I
like
the
helmet
better
in
this.
B
One
in
this
particular
on
the
screen,
or
in
the
previous
meeting,
the
previous
one
that
logo
was
taken
from
google,
so
there
might
be
some
copyright
associated
with
it,
even
with
the
green
coming
out
of
it.
Yeah
that
that
just
logo
from
the
last
meeting
in
general
was
for
more
of
visual
purposes,
but
we
can
try
to
make
it
look
more
like
that.
One.
D
F
H
B
B
H
A
Okay,
so
consensus
sounds
like
with
choice
number
three
and
I
think
guys
that
we
also,
I
mean,
I
know
that
we
all
wanna
give
feedback,
but,
like
it's
gonna,
be
impossible
to
get
everyone
really
happy
with
the
one
thing
and
whatever
we
select
the
board
of
commissioners
have
to
ultimately
like
okay,
it,
and
so,
if
they're,
already
using
this,
that
they've
already
okayed
to
me,
it
just
makes
sense
that
we
need
to
just
give
robin
the
the
flexibility
to
this.
You
know
we've
we've
kind
of
given
our
input.
A
This
is
what
we
want
to
this.
Is
you
know,
let's,
let's
let
robin
go
with
putting
that
together.
F
I
Can
I
just
ask
on
this
this
being
the
logo
when
it
comes
out
actually
as
the
sustainability
plan
that
that
I
I
would
love
to
see
kind
of
how
that
whitewashed
scenario
behind
that
we've
had
on
some
of
like
the
flyers
like
in
the
backdrop
with
that
being
very
prevalent,
this
logo
being
very
prevalent
on
the
front.
But
if
it's
just
on
white,
like
that,
it
makes
it
to
me
it
makes
it
look
very
uninviting
yeah,
just
as
like.
I
It's
white
and
here's
your
logo,
but
some
of
the
things
that
we've
we've
seen
before,
I
think
paul.
Maybe
you
you
did
the
fl
the
initial
one
of
the
flyers
we
had
where
the
backdrop
to
the
paper
is
just
kind
of
like
almost
like
a
faded
out
city
skate,
not
city
scape,
but
like
the
the
mangroves,
you
know
a
photograph,
but
it's
so
it's
very
faint
and
then
that
just
being
very
prominent
on
it,
because
I
think
that
just
on
white
paper
bit
to
me,
it
makes
it
look
like
a
very
business
document.
I
That's
intimidating
and
I
don't
have
any
interest
in
reading
it.
It's
very
stark.
Yes,
I
love
the
logo,
you
know
and-
and
I
the
typeface
on
that
one
better
than
underneath
what
have
you,
but
I
think
if
we're
using
it,
you
know
perfect
as
a
logo,
but
if
it's
coming
out
on
that
actual
sustainability
action
plan,
I'd
love
to
see
that.
I
That
that
looks
very
generic
to
me
just
kind
of
it's
just
kind
of
floating
on
there,
this
this
okay,
pretend
logo.
Is
this
one
and
here's
the
very
front
of
your
sustainability
action
plan?
That's
going
to
be
printed
yeah!
I
don't
like
it
right,
so
my
thought
is
just
about.
I
don't.
I.
H
H
I
D
One
of
the
things
is:
if
it's
going
to
be
up
on
a
letterhead
oftentimes,
I've
done
this
with
logos,
you
put
it
in
an
oval
with
the
background
in
it.
So
then
that
can
be
on
white
paper,
because
the
paper
will
probably
be
white
right,
so
that
makes
the
logo
pop
yeah,
so
you've
got
an
experiment,
yeah
yeah
for
the
logo.
G
I
will
say
we
would
like
to
use
this
for
our
car
wraps
for
the
evs
and
they
may
be
white
cars,
and
you
know
not
necessarily
a
giant
one
on
the
hood,
but
maybe
something
this
big
around
on
the
side
you
know,
along
with
the
city
logo,
so
I
just
want
to
warn
you.
There
might
be
some
white
no.
A
A
All
right
so
go
ahead
and
go
forward
with
that
then,
and
then
the
flyer
for
public
engagement,
sorry.
D
F
E
F
I
Mine,
so
I
I
like
this
one
for
just
it
gives
you
just
that
littlest
bit
more
information,
but
there's
a
lot
of
there
are
a
lot
of
words
in
there
that
I
think,
don't
necessarily
need
to
be
included.
You
know
like
where
it
says
we
need
your
input.
It
would
be
easy
enough
to
say
to
take
to
take
the
survey
visit
to
almost
to
leave
that
whole
last
bit
out.
I
I
I
I
D
More
information
to
the
second
one,
the
reason
I
like
the
second
one
is
the
like
the
type
face
on
the
first
one
where
it
says
tarpon
springs
is
hard
to
read,
and
this
is
strange,
but
I
like
this
one
because
it
looks
like
you
know,
there's
this
beach
with
some
like.
We
need
sustainability,
because
our
beach
is
eroding
a
little
or
something's
happening
to
it,
and
so
it
says
to
me
we
better
get
to
work,
so
we
need
to
do
something.
I
F
I
No
that,
honestly,
when
I
looked
at
the
two
of
them
that
one
almost
seemed
a
little
disjointed
to
me
like
having
the
tarpon
city
of
tarpon
strings
in
this
corner,
your
qr
code
and
then
you've
got
verbage
here
and
you've
got
it.
It
just
seemed
a
little
disjointed,
and
so,
as
I
was
reading,
I
was
like
well
gosh,
the
other
one.
If
it
was
just
condensed
a
little
little
spit
and
some
of
the
verbage
was
changed.
G
B
E
E
E
J
F
F
D
H
A
H
D
Not
on
that
question,
but
I
have
a
suggestion
at
the
very
top
it
just
says
the
ability
to
maintain,
I
think
we
may
want
to
say
sustainability
is
the
ability
to
maintain
it's
just
sort
of
they
are
floating
in
there.
F
H
H
H
A
D
H
D
A
The
way
that
I
understand,
smart
growth
is
like
it's
a
plan
of
building
development
where
you've
got
like
a
smart
plan.
You've
got
mixed
use
that
sort
of
thing
environmentally
friendly
and
resource
efficient
development
to
me
means
that
you
are
being
more
conscious
of
the
environment
as
you're
building
so
you're,
not
building
on
wetlands
or
you're
and
you're
building
with
green
products.
When.
A
F
Smart
growth
is
is
exactly
as
dory
said,
where
you
have
more
density
towards
your
urban
core.
It's
transect
zones
that
that
yeah.
A
F
E
Just
remove
the
first
development
that
and
say
balancing
the
needs
of
economic
development
and
jobs
strong
nowadays.
I
Thank
you
yeah,
and
then
I
think
we
need
to
remove
the
and
healthy
communities
and
natural
areas.
Yeah.
D
F
E
F
A
All
right-
and
then
I
mean
I
I
like
the
length
I
like-
that,
it's
pretty
compact.
I
like
the
way
that
we've
added
in
a
section
where
for
number
seven
this
is
what
they're
currently
doing.
This
is
what
they
would
like
to
do,
more
of
so
that
people
don't
feel
like
conflicted
about
answering
like
well.
I
already
do
that.
So
I
think
that
I
think
we've
done
a
pretty
decent
job
of
trying
to
understand
where
folks
are
and
how
we
can
take
this
data
and
use
it
to
to
guide
the
planes
more.
I
Okay,
I
also
question
15..
I
think
sorry,
because
I
jumped,
since
there
was
anything
in
between
there,
you
could
almost
shorten
that
last
one
with
just
is
there
a
topic
you
feel
is
related
to
sustainability
or
important
for
sustainability,
which
has
not
been
included
in
these
survey.
Topics.
I
Of
saying,
is
there
something
important
we're
missing
because
we're
really
hoping
we're
growing
all
the
important
stuff,
but
we
know
there's
more
important
stuff
out
there,
so
I
almost
feel
like
that.
First
part
could
just
be
gone
and
yeah
use.
What's
in
the
parentheses
as
the
entire
system
is
there
a
topic,
you
feel.
F
I
Is
there
an
easy
way
to
link
to
the
as
I
was
reading
through
and
it
says,
please
drop
a
pin.
Is
there
an
easy
way
to
do
that
when
you're
actually
taking
this.
B
A
B
Sure
happy
too
we're
working
on
the
video.
Now
we
are
filming
it
tomorrow,
which
is
great
yes,
and
after
tonight's
meeting
we'll
have
the
consensus
on
the
survey
and
the
flyers
and
logo.
We
can
move
on
to
try
to
get
that
logo
approved.
B
The
intention
is
to
post
the
survey
next
week
on
connectturpin
and
start
getting
the
word
out.
The
video
should
be
done
next
week
and
posted,
and
it
will
advertise
these
upcoming
efforts
that
we're
planning
to
do
planning
the
workshops
is
underway.
The
dates
are
not
yet
solidified
or
the
locations
right
now
we're
just
trying
to
determine
the
best
days
and
times
and
things
that
we
can
offer
to
try
to
get
more
community
members
involved.
B
B
That
will
also
help
to
determine
the
format
and
the
days
and
times
as
well,
but
we're
definitely
getting
started,
kicking
off
with
the
video
and
the
flyer
and
we'll
have
the
survey
available
and
the
library
and
rec
center
and
paper,
as
was
requested
by
board
of
commissioners
and
the
public,
so
it
will
be
available
in
both
paper
format
and
online.
We
have
ordered
100,
recycled
and
recyclable
paper,
so
I
hope
that
will
not
be
a
problem
and
it
will
be
there
upon
request.
D
So
is
there
at
the
town
hall
meeting
on
tuesday
it
was
both
in
person
and
on
zoom,
and
we
were
able
to
do
this
paul
while
yeah,
and
so
I
was
watching
it
at
zoom,
so
I
was
doing
it
at
home
and
I
found
it.
I
really
liked
that
because
it
allowed
me
to
feel
like
I
was
participating
while
I
was
at
home
and
it
was
engaging,
so
I
wasn't
just
listening
and
yeah.
I
was
actually
doing
something
and
it
was
really
easy
to
do
on
my
phone.
D
G
Not
sure
the
name,
but
it
really
was
good.
I
will
say
I
followed
up
talking
to
staff
and
the
city
manager
about
that,
and
that
was
a
very
resource.
Intensive
effort,
I
will
say,
but
more
probably
importantly,
is
the
vision
we
have
for
these
workshops.
We
talked
about
it
in
these
meetings
is
to
have
more
of
an
small
table
type
set
up,
maybe
four
or
five
tables
each
table
has
a
couple
of
related
goal
areas,
and
you
have
conversations
you
know.
G
I
think
the
voting
thing
is
great,
but
I
think
you're
going
to
get
instant
feedback
when
you
have
these
group
discussions
and
I'm
picturing
volunteers
at
each
of
the
tables,
moderators
note
takers
and
then
this
group
will
move
over
to
another
table.
So
you
have
this
rotation
happening,
so
just
the
ones
that
they're
interested
in.
Hopefully
people
will
be
interested
in
all
of
them,
but
I
think
it's
that's
that's
the
model
we're
going
for.
G
A
All
right
are
we
gonna
be
participating
in
first
friday.
Do
you
know.
B
E
B
I
Will
you
guys
let
us
know
how
we're
able
to
participate
without
violating
sunshine
laws,
because
we
talked
about
that
about
first
friday
that
two
of
us
can't
necessarily
man
in
booth?
So
can
we
just
be
respect
that
part
of
it
as
we
look
for
moving
forward?
Okay,.
G
H
A
J
Yes,
you're
curious,
thank
you!
So
I'm
bob
robertson,
I'm
project
administration,
department,
director
and
I'm
just
going
to
introduce
our
presenters
today,
they're
going
to
talk
to
you
about
the
the
whitcomb
bayou
technical
feasibility
assessment
for
those
watching
on
the
video
or
recording.
Let
me
just
give
a
quick
summary
and
update
how
we
got
here.
J
The
board
of
commissioners
back
in
august
asked
or
authorized
staff
to
hire
arcadis
through
our
engineer
record
contract
with
cardno,
and
that
was
that
task
was
to
prepare
this
technical
feasibility
analysis
is
a
draft
that
you
have
that
you've
seen
this
step
is
essentially
a
planning
phase
which
ultimately
presents
three
alternatives.
We
actually
have
four
in
this
draft
analysis
for
public
input
and
to
narrow
that
selection
down
to
a
single
project
based
on,
of
course,
the
board
commissioners,
sustainability
committee
and
public
input.
J
Scope
of
work
also
includes
review
and
recommendation
of
funding
strategies
and
opportunities
based
on
the
selected
alternative
that
just
basically
means
matching
up
the
right
grant
with
the
selected
alternative
that
we
wind
up
with.
So
our
experts
are
here
I'll.
Let
them
introduce
themselves
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started.
K
Thank
you
for
having
us.
My
name
is
aaron
ducaster,
I'm
an
environmental
scientist
for
arcadis
and
my
colleague
paul
wollansky,
a
principal
water
engineer
and
we're
going
to
present
the
shoreline
protection
options
to
you
guys
today.
So
I'm
gonna
warm
up
to
the
protection
adaptation.
So
I'm
gonna
tell
a
little
bit
story
of
why
this
project
is
is
ongoing.
If
we
can
go
next
slide.
K
Oh,
I
see
so
just
click,
the
arrow
down
or
scroll
down
click
on
the
screen
for
the
arrow.
K
This
is
a
noaa
tide
station
of
clearwater
and
it's
displaying
the
frequency
of
high
tide
flooding
days,
and
some
of
you
might
note
this
as
flooding
that's
occurring
from
high
tides
on
sunny
days,
so
not
rainfall
induced
not
storm
induced
in
particular
to
our
study,
site
and
intersection
at
south
spring
with
the
whitcomb
boulevard,
martin
luther
and
I
think
pineapple
street
there
is
a
very,
relatively
low,
elevated
spot
and
has
flooded
in
the
past
on
sunny
days.
K
I
think
there
had
been
some
images
of
cars
rolling
through
salt
water,
and
this
is
not
just
a
story
for
the
west
coast
of
florida,
but
all
over.
The
gulf
of
mexico
actually
had
a
record
number
of
these
high
tide.
Flooding
days
cumulative
you
can
see
clearwater,
which
is
the
closest
station
to
the
whitcomb
bayou,
had
their
record
in
2019.
I
think
2016
up
there
as
well.
K
So
and
you
might
see
natural
variations
in
any
kind,
I'd
love
to
take
that
question
after
actually,
if
I
can
is
that,
okay
and
any
other
questions
I'll
take
after
the
presentation
I'll
be
glad
to
take
as
many
as
possible.
I'll,
remember
yours
for
sure.
So,
currently
around
the
bayou.
There
are
two
projects
put
in
place:
a
revenment
and
a
buried
sea
wall,
as
well
as
a
existing
living
shoreline
of
the
mangroves,
as
you
can
see
from
this
aerial
photograph.
K
Now
all
three
of
these
structures
kind
of
include
the
mangroves
in
with
that
do
stabilize
the
shoreline
in
place.
But
if
you
do
start
to
fill
up
the
wood
come
by
you
with
water,
that
water
is
just
going
to
pass
right
through
all
three
of
these
structures
and
cut.
You
know,
go
on
its
way
into
the
residential
areas,
and
so
we're
I'm
going
to
get
to
this
a
little
bit
later,
but
we're
going
to
present
actual
coastal
structures
that
should
divert
water
out
of
the
way
and
now
a
big
reason
for
this
project.
K
That's
not
flooding
over
the
bayou
anymore
and
potentially
cause
flooding
in
another
area,
and
so
that
is
another
discussion
point
we
want
to
bring
up
and
possibly
with
the
implementation
of
a
project
around
the
bayou
may
want
to
be
supported
by
other
ordinances
that
help
build
up
sea
wall
or
protection
in
areas
adjacent
to
that
by
you
as
well,
and
that
can
be.
I
think
we
can
spin
that
into
kind
of
a
total
sustainability
plan
for
tarpon
springs,
whereas
it
would
come
by
is
kind
of
a
piece
of
that
story
as
well.
K
For
sure,
so,
within
that
special
flood
hazard
area,
so
I'm
still
showing
the
same
areas.
We,
the
flood
insurance
study
funded
by
by
fema
for
this
region,
conducted
a
hydrological
study
that
looked
at
the
the
annual
chances
of
floods
and
what
elevation
they
can
come
to.
So
this
is
called
a
return
period,
so
10
chance
of
flood
every
year
is
going
to
be
affecting
everywhere
in
the
red
up
to
25.
There
is
in
the
orange
50
year,
is
in
the
yellow
and
100
year
in
green,
stretching
to
that
total
area.
K
So
what
can
you
take
from
this?
Is
that
there's
a
10
percent
chance
of
flooding
that
affects
a
large
swath
of
this
area,
so
even
a
low-level
protection
solution
will
bring
a
lot
of
benefits
to
the
area
and,
like
we
said,
even
the
lowest
level
of
protection
at
the
10-year
will
still
divert
waters
to
other
areas.
So
we
want
to
keep
that
in
in
mind.
K
Another
thing
we
want
to
keep
in
mind
for
this
project
is
sea
level
rise,
so
typically
the
project
use
life,
maybe
for
coastal
structures
might
be
about
50
years
and
might
range
from
about
35
to
100.
So
we
want
to
look
at
what
sea
level
rise
is
going
to
be
for
that
time
period.
K
If
we
get
towards
the
end
of
the
project
and
we
do
have
sea
level
rise,
we
don't
want
to
kind
of
eliminate
some
of
the
benefits
that
we
built
from
the
project
at
the
beginning,
and
so
we're
kind
of
looking
between
about
a
two
to
four
foot
sea
level
rise
between
about
2070
to
the
end
of
the
century.
K
There
approximately-
and
so
we
are
looking
to
have
protection
up
to
that
50-year
level
to
that
8.5,
we're
thinking,
but,
of
course,
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
that
get
a
little
bit
of
feedback
from
the
city,
because
one
thing
that
we
have
heard
are
concerns
from
the
residents
around
the
bayou
about
building
up
protection.
You
can
think
about
it.
Eight
foot,
something
that's
eight
foot
tall,
that's
that's
taller
than
everybody
in
the
room,
I
think,
and
and
so
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
beyond
that.
K
So
that
is
a
major
concern
of
of
residents
in
that
area.
You
think
of
like
a
t-wall,
concrete
wall
blocking
everybody's
view,
but
we
do
want
to
emphasize
the
fact
that
we
want
to
maybe
have
a
little
bit
more
protection
than
the
minimum
because
of
sea
level
rise
over
time.
K
Now,
before
I
hand
it
off
to
paul,
I
do
want
to
touch
on
a
little
bit
about
green
infrastructure
versus
gray,
maybe
you've
heard
of
living
shorelines
versus
coastal
structures.
Now
I'm
gonna.
If
you
remember
back
from
the
one
of
the
first
slides,
I
was
talking
about
the
existing
projects
there
and
how
mangroves
are
known
as
a
living
shoreline.
K
The
revetment
there
in
a
buried
sea
wall
kind
of
not
doing
too
much
when
it's
when
it's
buried
in
there,
but
a
lot
of
those
green
infrastructures
or
living
shorelines
are
great,
but
they're
also
going
to
allow
the
flood
waters
to
pass
through
there,
whereas
gray
solutions,
some
of
the
concrete
and
coastal
structures
we'll
get
to
some
of
the
solutions
here
in
a
second
we'll,
actually
divert
the
water
away
from
where
you're
trying
to
protect.
So
the
houses
behind
any
kind
of
solution
will
be
protected
by
actual
hard
or
coastal
structure
there.
K
But
we
do
as
a
part
of
this.
We
want
to
recognize
that
we
don't
want
to
impact
the
mangroves
that
are
currently
existing
on
site
because
they
do
bring
benefits.
They
do
keep
the
shoreline
in
place.
They
do
have
a
lot
of
benefits
for
habitat
and
they
will
be
complementing
any
kind
of
hard
structure,
so
we
don't
want
to
just
discount
them
out
or
cause
any
kind
of
damage
to
them
in
the
construction
of
a
project
right.
B
Think
they
had
intended
to
get
through
the
whole
presentation.
First,
I
would
suggest
that
because
then
you
can
hear
the
full
story.
K
That's
true
he's
going
to
give
you
I'll
go
through
run
through
the
alternatives,
and
then
we
can
wrap
that
back
into
some
of
the
questions
about
what
I
was
going
through.
If
you
don't
mind.
G
C
So
yeah,
so
we're
going
to
go
through
some
of
the
alternatives
that
we
could
come
up
with
for
flood
protection
mitigation,
we're
going
to
look
at
a
concrete,
t-wall,
a
elevated
road
option,
a
multi-purpose,
walkway
or
berm,
and
then
a
hybrid
solution
that
between
the
elevated
road
multipliers,
walkway
and
berm
and
the
t
well.
So,
let's
see,
let's
show
the
this
is
so
this
is
flood
protection,
alternative
number
one.
C
It's
it's
a
concrete
t-wall
and
that
would
be
placed
all
around
the
the
right-of-way
from
the
between
the
road
and
and
would
come
by
you
and
the
concrete
wall
would
have.
There
would
have
to
be
an
area
that
would
be
excavated
to
install
the
wall,
but
we
think
that
this
it
would
minimize
impacts
the
most
I
think,
to
mangroves
that
are
currently
in
place,
but
the
t-wall
you
you
can
also
install
additional
vegetation
on
the
on
the
value
side
of
this
of
the
wall.
C
In
addition,
it
could
be
also
like
oyster
beds.
You
could
also
install
to
reduce
wave
action
as
well,
but
the
t
will
also
allow
any
existing
utilities
that,
from
the
road
drainage
to
continue
to
go
through
the
t-wall
that
could
be
they
could
be,
could
be
placed.
One
other
advantage
of
the
t-wall.
Is
that
during
say
during
a
storm
event
say
any
vessels
boats
got
to
release
the
t-wall
could
be
designed
to
withstand
vessel
impacts
so
that
the
boats
smashing
up
against
the
bayou
t-wall
would
be.
C
It
would
be
able
to
resist
it.
Some
of
the
disadvantages
as
aaron
was
saying
that
the
aesthetics
are
very
important
to
the
residents
there.
Having
the
concrete
wall
to
look
at
might
not
be
that
very
aesthetically
pleasing
there
is
an
opportunity
also
to
plan.
Do
some
plantings
on
the
land
on
the
roadside
of
the
t
wall
to
help
block
the.
C
I
guess
the
visual
aspects
of
the
t
wall,
but
that
and
then
the
photo
on
the
bottom
is
a
view
from
the
approximate
view
from
the
roadside,
where
it
might
look
like
the
road
and
then
there's
several
docks
around
the
bayou.
So
there
would
have
to
be
a
watertight
gate
that
would
be
allowed
to
be
to
allow
access
to
those
docks,
but
also
to
be
closed,
and
they
would.
C
C
That's
optional,
alternator
one
skipped
one
then
alternative
that
we
came
up
with
was
actually
raising
the
existing
roadway
around
what
combined
so
no
wall.
So
so
you
would
build
up
the
road
and
then
slope
back
slope
the
road,
the
right
away
down
back
to
the
existing
existing
ground.
C
You
probably
would
minimize
impacts
to
the
mangroves
the
most
with
the
solution,
but
raising
the
road.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
arterial
roads
that
come
into
the
main
roads
around
where
combined,
so
those
will
all
have
to
be-
I
guess,
regraded,
to
tie
into
that
that
higher
road
and
also
any
anyone
who
has
any
kind
of
any
residences
that
have
any
driveways
that
go
on
to
the
with
come
by
row.
That
would
also
have
to
be,
I
guess.
C
Reconnected
to
the
road
so
that
it
appropriately
sloped
appropriately
to
from
the
road
to
their
residences,
the
and
then
also
there's
the
this.
This
with
also
the
road
access
during
construction,
we
might
could
be
an
issue
also
because
the
the
probably
during
construction,
they
probably
would
have
to
do
this
very
busy
road.
As
everybody
knows,
and
you
know,
access
to
the
road
would
be
would
be
minimized
during
construction.
You
know
certain
sections
would
have
to
be
done
at
a
time
and
then
one-way
track
traffic
back
and
forth.
C
So
that's
something
to
consider
with
this
option
the
impacts
during
construction
to
the
to
the
traffic
flow.
C
And
alternative
three:
we
came
up
with
a
an
earthen
berm
that
would
be
placed
in
between
in
the
right
of
way
between
the
road
and
the
mangroves
and
the
earth.
Berm
would
be
more
steadily
pleasing
than
a
railway.
It
you
could,
it
could
have
a
walkway
on
top
of
it
if
desired,
that
wouldn't
be
a
requirement
for
flood
protection,
but
it
could
be
a
benefit.
That's
offered
to
residents
that
there
being
a
walk,
elevated
pathway
around
the
bayou
with
beautiful
views,
so
that
that
is
an
option.
C
We
also
could
incorporate
green
solutions
on
the
bayou
side
into
this
for
marsh
kind
of
plants
or
mangrove
additional
mangroves
could
be
planted,
but
this
this
would
affect
the
existing
mangroves
because
the
slope,
but
they
maybe
they-
could
be
replanted
closer
to
the
to
the
water
line
from
the
the
water's
edge
and
there's
also
in
this
right
away.
C
Some
utility
poles
light
poles.
Those
would
have
to
be
relocated
as
well.
With
this
with
this
solution
and
then
alternative
four,
we
through
four
was
a
hybrid
solution
and
we
it's
there's
a
way
you
can
put
the
in
areas.
C
C
Then
we
we
we
came
up.
We
had
a
I'm
not
going
to
read
you
all
the
comparison
table,
but
this
is
the
the
four
different
options
and
there's
several
of
the
advantages
and
disadvantages
that
I
mentioned
during
the
presentation
they're
listed
here
and
then
we're
going
to
be
doing
in
the
next
phase.
We're
going
to
take
take
three
of
these
options
and
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
cost
analysis
and
and
also
cost
benefit
analysis
and
we'll
be
coming
up
with
conceptual
pricing
for
the
different
options
as
well
for
budgeting
purposes.
C
And
then
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
of
the
project
milestones.
So
in
january
we
completed
our
technical
feasibility
assessment
this
month,
we're
presenting
to
you
all
for
the
sustainability
committee
we'll
bring
in
next
month
board
of
commissioners
presentation.
C
Then,
in
april
meeting,
with
public
involvement
meeting
to
get
input
from
the
public,
then
in
may
we
would
complete
our
alternatives
analysis
in
june.
We
would
develop
our
funding
strategy
memorandum
and
then,
in
july,
we'd
have
a
board
of
commissioners
presentation
again
for
the
pursuit
of
the
funding
strategy,
and
that
would
lead
us
into
preparing
the
brick
application
that
is
due
later
in
the
in
the
fall
time
october
november.
Time
frame.
Oh
actually,
this
is
right.
There
opens
fall,
2022
bric
application
opens.
C
So
that's
the
plan
to
get
you
to
the
point
where
we
submit
and
get
in
and
get
for
funding
this
year
or
we
get
to
apply
for
funding
this
year.
For
for
folks,.
J
C
J
In
june,
we
also
are
planning
to
come
back
to
the
sustainability
committee
after
we've
had
the
public
involvement
and
more
input
on
the
alternatives,
so
you
will
get
another
another
crack
at
the
getting
us
your
opinion
officially
on
the
project.
It
just
didn't
make
it
on
the
slide,
but
we
are
coming
back.
C
In
june
perfect-
and
I
think
with
that,
we
wanted
to
ask
answer
any
questions
or
comments
so
yeah
well.
D
Thank
you
when
we
talk
about.
E
Yeah,
I
have
a
just
a
question
about
whether
these
methods
have
been
performance
tested
elsewhere
and
and
if
the
water
has
ever
risen
above,
like
you
know,
it
was
the
most
expensive
option,
for
instance,
is
raising
the
roadway
and,
if
it
ro,
if
the
water
went
over
that
by
chance,
wouldn't
it
flood
the
homes
and
the
lawns
on
the
other
side,
because
we're
not
raising
those
areas.
C
Right,
the
the
homes
are
not
being
raised,
but
yeah
they
would
so
what
of
the
performance.
E
Tests
been
in
other
areas
where
this
these
approaches
have
been
taken.
K
Specific
examples,
it's
gonna
be
hard
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
know
miami
has
done
a
lot
with
elevating
their
roads
in
order
to
keep
especially,
the
city
of
miami
has
been
utilizing
that
in
in
town,
in
order
to
create
you
know,
like
kind
of
a
sewer
system
on
the
side
where
the
rain
water
will
or
flood
waters
will
go
into
that
way,
all
the
pathways
and
roadways
remain
accessible,
even
during
especially
during
these
high
tide,
flooding
days
when
it's
sunny
or
or
any
kind
of
storm
surge
as
well.
C
E
K
C
K
I
so
trying
to
draw,
I
think,
that's
going
to
be
a
big
problem
in
like
we
want
to
have
emphasize
a
level
of
protection.
That's
going
to
make
sure
that
so
bear
with
me.
It's
going
to
block
out
a
lot
of
these
flooding
events,
but
if
it
topples
over,
I
mean
it's
gonna.
K
It's
going
to
affect
the
houses,
whether
we
have
a
living
shoreline
or
a
hard
structure
if
it
makes
it
over
and
then
it's
going
to
hit
the
residential
structures
in
your
right,
there's
not
really
anything
to
drain
it
out
and
that's,
I
don't
think,
there's
anything
in
place
to
kind
of
leave.
C
J
J
Back
underneath
the
through
the
storm
system,
so
it
wouldn't
be
trapped.
It
would
only
be
trapped
if
it
was
a
major
flood
event.
E
K
J
K
So
as
a
part
of
our
design,
we
plan
to
put
in
the
measures
to
keep
the.
So
let's
say
we
put
a
t
wall
around
I'm
sorry.
I
missed
on
that.
We're
not
planning
to
just
put
the
t
wall,
so
it
traps
the
existing
drainage.
We
are
going
to
put
in
the
necessary
pump
valves
and,
to
you
know,
get
the
water
through.
So
I
misunderstood
that
question
sorry
about
that
yep.
K
H
H
So
you
put
you
elevate,
the
the
road
to
continue
denise's
question
and
you
have
a
storm
that
dumps
a
lot
of
water
say
in
june,
which
is
what
happens
here.
H
When
we
talk
about
living
shorelines,
we
don't
usually
talk
about
just
one
element:
most
living
shorelines
are
multi-elements.
They
are
at
least
a
breakwater,
composed
typically
of
bags
of
oyster
shells,
plus
spartina
alternoflora,
which
is
smooth
cord
grasses.
I'm
sure
you
know,
and
sometimes
you
talk
about
three
elements.
H
So
this
conversation
that
led
to
your
presentation
tonight
has
been
going
on
for
several
years
and
you
may
know-
or
you
may
not
know
that,
I'm
the
reason
you're
here
I
began
the
conversation
with
your
former
employee,
dr
bolter
three
years
ago,
plus
and
at
every
step
of
the
way
we
have
talked
about
living
shorelines
being
a
part
of
this
solution.
Whatever
we
decide,
the
final
solution
would
be.
H
The
mangroves
are
not
complete.
If
we
want
to
preserve
those
mangroves
and
actually
improve
their
function,
then
we're
going
to
need
a
more
component
living
shoreline.
We're
going
to
need
probably
bags
of
oyster
shells
as
a
breakwater,
plus
spartiva
or
spartina.
Excuse
me,
plus
the
mangroves
that
exist
that
will
improve
the
health
of
the
of
the
mangroves.
H
H
So
I
would
urge
you
and-
and
I
think
the
board
of
commissioners
will
expect
you
to
include
a
more
thorough
explanation
or
or
a
composite
living
shoreline
as
part
of
whatever
you
come
up
with
right.
Okay,.
H
Apparently
florida
likes
paying
for
this,
because
three
cities
in
in
pinellas
county
just
got
state
grants
for
living.
Shorelines
treasure
island
got
one
and
a
half
million
gulfport
got.
I
forget
three
hundred
thousand
and
correct
my
pronunciation.
Philippe
park
got
200
000
in-state
money
for
a
living
shoreline.
So
it's
a
popular
thing
right
now
and-
and
I
think,
if
state
money
could
be
obtained
for
this,
that
might
be
part
of
the
offset
for
whatever
brick
or
other
grant.
H
We
ultimately
get
and
the
other
just
one
more
thing,
as
as
dr
bolter
pointed
out
when
she
talked
to
the
board
of
commissioners.
H
K
So
I
hope
I
didn't
make
it
sound
as
if
I
didn't
want
to
go
after
the
green
living
shorelines
I
want
to.
I
did
want
to
make
the
point
that
they
do
supplement
any
kind
of
hard
structure
so
like
we
don't
want
to
just
put
it.
We
are.
I
want
to
emphasize
that
green
infrastructure.
It
may
not.
K
You
know,
build
up
with
sea
level
rise
or
match.
You
know
build
up
in
time
to
match
one
of
these
storms,
so
it
may
let
the
flood
waters
through,
but
I
wouldn't
suggest
just
going
with
a
coastal
structure
by
itself,
because
it
could
lead
to
a
rose
erosion
problems
around
anything
about
putting
in
a
t
wall
by
itself.
If
you
do
have
water
that
topples
over
it.
I
think
this
has
been
a
case
in
a
few
places.
K
It's
been
that
that
ground
has
just
been
destabilized
and
taken
out
the
sea
wall.
H
H
Now
the
t-wall
and
the
composite
thing
I
live
on
a
different
bayou.
H
People
who
live
part
of
the
time
in
other
places
around
town,
if
the
gates
on
the
t,
wall
or
the
or
the
hybrid
solution
require
people
to
close
them,
and
I
think
you
indicated
there
might
be
a
way
to
to
get
around
that.
But
if
they
it
that
and
then
I
think
human
nature
says
that's-
maybe
not
going
to
work
as
often
as
we'd
like
it
to
right.
C
Because
if
you
rely
on
the
residents
to
do
it,
then
right,
then
you
have
a
break
in
your
system
and
it's
not
always
protecting
you
or
someone
has
to
go
out
there
before
every
storm
and
make
sure
they're
closed,
but
there's
probably
a
way
to
have
them
self-closing
so
that
they
always
close
behind
the
people.
So
that's
why
I
would
recommend
this
for
sure.
E
And
do
not
prop
open
signs,
but
right
well.
E
K
And
that's
a
point
that
if
I
could
bring
you
back
to
the
elevation
page,
real,
quick
and
that's
kind
of
actually
why
I
stuck
that
on
there.
G
E
K
End
actually
to
kind
of
bring
that
up,
and
that
is
one
area
of
concern
that
we
have.
I
know
this
might
be
kind
of
hard
to
read,
but
what
I
have
written
here
is
two
to
three
foot
elevation
along
the
seawall
right,
so
that's
only
two
to
three
feet:
that
it'll
take
that's
not
much
water
if
it's,
if
we
build
protection
around
the
bayou
and
that
water
has
to
go
somewhere
or
it
could
be
trapped
within
that
canal
that
could
reach
up
to
the
two
to
three
feet.
K
C
And
that's
significant
of
what
elevation
we
could
propose,
because
we
could.
We
can
want
to
build
a
wall
up
to
a
100
year,
flood
elevation,
but
if
th,
if
this,
if
the
water
is
going
to
come
up
behind
the
seawall
up
and
through
those
those
canals
and
come
over,
the
seawalls,
the
water
will
flood
behind
the
sea
wall.
D
Thank
you.
So
I
have
a
question
on
all
these
alternatives
on
the
one
of
raising
the
road.
So
it
seems
from
what
you've
said.
It
would
be
imperative
that
the
residents
raise
their
driveways
and
so
on,
and
will
that
be
an
expense
for
the
homeowner
that
they
would
have
to
pay
for
everything
being
raised.
K
So
that
will
be
if,
if
funded,
that
would
be
calculated
into
our
project
costs
as
a
displacement,
if
they,
if
they
were
to
not
be
able
to
access
the
road,
we
will
actually
place
that
into
the
project
costs
for
that
as
a
part
of
construction
costs,
plus
displacement
of
people
and
maybe
lack
of
accessibility
to
transportation
being
the
main
road.
We
noticed
that's
very
busy
that
day
we
were
out
there
for
a
site
visit,
so
we
would
incorporate
those
costs
so.
C
We
just
in
our
alternative
slide
we
just
kind
of
put
what
we
thought
relatively
from
one
option
to
another,
but
we
haven't
come
up
with
cost
assessments.
Yet
that's
in
the
next
phase.
K
That
is
a
major
concern.
We
are
limited
in
the
solutions
because
of
that
small
space
and
we
don't
and
trying
to
find
ways
not
to
mitigate
the
mangroves
is
part
of
why
we
want
to
put
that
to
you
all
in,
but
that
is
a
major
concern
of
the
residents
anything
that
you
know.
We
want
to
bring
the
level
of
protection,
something
that's
going
to
be
effective
for
this
area,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
is
a
big
discussion
point
right.
J
D
K
That's
where
we
wanted
to
add
maybe
a
safety
railing
that
is
kind
of
a
little
bit
off-centered
there,
but
we
could
have
the
options
of
safety
railings
and
with
that,
instead
of
maybe
you
know,
having
kind
of
sectioned
columns
so
that
you
can
see
through
so
that
it's
not
blocking
even
more
of
residents.
Views
right
if
we're
stacking,
that,
on
top
of
a
already
elevated
burn
there
plus.
D
C
A
F
H
H
K
F
K
H
K
K
Something
I
think
we
had
a
little
picture
of
that
on.
I
can
point
you
towards
the
elevator
road.
It's
it's
something
like.
If
we're
sorry
did
that
with
the
pathway,
since
the
pathway
would
have
major
impacts
on
the
mangroves,
they
would
require
either
to
be
taken
out
or
to
be
removed
or
to
be
relocated,
which
is
a
better
option.
K
So
we're
kind
of
extending
the
shoreline
out
and
that's
you
know
we
could
do
a
system
with
either
the
revetment
rip,
wrap
or
use
a
living
shoreline,
or
a
conjunction
of
both.
H
C
A
H
A
D
C
C
I
mean
there
wouldn't
be
locks
on
those
those
gates,
so
that
public
could
open
them
also
and
get
behind,
and
I
guess
they'd
be
walking
between
I'm
not
sure
how
much
room
there
would
be
between
the
t,
wall
and
the,
and,
if
there's
any
grasses
and
the
rain
grows,
you
might
not
be
much
room
to
walk
behind
the
wall.
I.
K
C
Right
right,
but
there
isn't
a
sidewalk
on
the
bayou
side
that
they're
only
only
only
on
across
the
roadway,
there
is
a
sidewalk
and
they
wrote
so,
but
yeah
people
wouldn't
be
able
to
walk.
There
would
be
a
short
area
between
the
wall
and
the
road,
a
very
short
small,
shoulder
there
for
a
few
feet.
So
it
might
not
be
that
safe
to
to
walk
along
there
between
the
road
and
the
t-wall.
I
So
every
one
of
these
efforts
will
run
that
length
that
you
currently
should
that
you
showed
us
in
that
picture.
So
if
it
was
a
if
it
was
a
t-wall,
it
would
run
the
length
from
where
it
starts
at
craig
park,
with
the
the
current
mitigation
procedures,
all
the
way
around
through,
where
you
showed
us
the
end,
so
whether
it's
raising
the
road,
whether
it's
putting
a
t
wall,
would
all
of
these
follow
that
same
length.
I
So
my
question
then
goes
to
water
has
to
go
somewhere,
and
I've
got
two
two
comments
on
that.
If,
by
raising
the
road
elevating
the
road
you
you
would
have
to
grade
the
driveways,
then
to
match
that
which
then
puts
with
all
that
water,
the
water
actually
has
a
greater
chance
of
of
going
into
people's
homes
than
being
level
and
flush
with
the
roads,
so
that
I
was
kind
of
piggybacking
on
where
you
guys
were
because
all
of
a
sudden,
I'm
not
an
engineer.
I
A
I
Everything's
going
going
at
a
slope
regardless
of
the
grade
and
then
my
other
question
is
because
water
has
to
go
somewhere
if
you
put,
if
you're
putting
a
t
wall
around.
That
goes
back
to
where
dr
robinson's
question
was,
with
the
the
everybody
raising
their
sea
walls,
etc.
I
That
also
becomes
a
problem
right
right
now:
the
walkway
around
craig
park
so
around
spring
by
you
on
a
king
tide
or
a
high
tide
flood,
and
you
you
know
it's
ankle
deep
I've
walked
it.
It's
an
ankle
ankle
deep
and
I
mean
I
have
a
personal
personal
interest
in
that
water,
not
rising,
but
it
does
become
an
issue
with
now.
I
You've
taken
this
great
opportunity
to
fix
one
area
but
actually
create,
can
be
creating
another
problem
for
multiple
homes
like
the
homes
on
manatee,
just
south
of
that
bridge
at
mlk,
where
that
little
channel
goes
and
what
that
feeds
into
then
you've
got
people
all
along
the
bayou,
whether
it's
spring
bayou
or
they're.
I
don't
know,
remember
what
they
call
that
little
area
going
from
like
spring
and
whitcomb
by
you
out
towards
the
river,
but
there's
another
little
name.
For
that.
Little
area
but
you've
got
homes
all
along
that
way.
It's
marconi.
I
C
Well,
I
think
right
at
where
for
the
elevated
road
option,
you
know
right
at
where,
where
the
driveways
connect
to
the
road,
yes,
that
the
water
will
be
draining
down
the
driveways
towards
the
homes,
but
then
otherwise,
I
think
between
the
the
driveways
there'll
be
a
bit
swale
that
the
water
would
be
collected
to
and
and
directed
towards
the
drainage,
so
it
wouldn't
all
be
going
towards
the
homes.
But
yes,
not
the
driveways
themselves.
C
There's
no
way
to
keep
it
from
running
from
the
road
down
to
the
home
on
the
driveways,
but
I
think
the
swells
would
try
to
direct
it
to
to
the
drainage
features.
Well,.
D
C
Well,
you're,
talking
about
during
a
rain
event.
Are
you
talking
about
when
what
floods
flood
waters
came
over
the
top
of
the
road.
A
I
think
we're
I
think,
we're
getting
like
confused
about
the
intent
of
this
project.
It's
not
going
to
be
like
a
huge
like
hurricane
katrina
with
like
the
big.
What
do
they
call
those
levees?
It's
not
we're,
not
we're
not
creating
a
levee.
That's
going
to
stop
a
storm
surge,
we're
creating
something
that's
going
to
stop
the
daily
or
the
coastal
flooding.
That's
happening
six
times
a
year
eight
times
a
year
I
mean
the
intent.
A
If,
if
a
storm
event
were
that
high,
it
wouldn't
matter
if
there
was
a
berm,
it's
going
to
come
into
the
house
anyway.
Right
I
mean
so
like.
I
think
that,
maybe
that's
where
we
need
to
at
the
beginning
of
the
presentation
to
the
board
of
commissioners
really
like
clarify
the
intent
of
the
project
is
not
to
like
prevent
a
major
disaster
from
flooding
homes.
It's
this
daily.
A
K
We're
just
talking
about
the
exis,
the
existing
structures
in
place
go
from
here
down
to
here,
but
we're
going
to
push
a
project
that
goes
around
the
entire
bayou
because
of
all
of
these
areas
that
are
prone
to
their
low-lying.
Elvis
you
see
the
legend
to
the
right.
Everything
in
orange
is
between
two
to
four
feet,
and
everything
from
in
yellow
is
four
to
six
feet,
and
I'm
just
quickly
going
to
bring
you
to
another
slide
to
show
that
10
percent
annual
chance
of
flood
is
right
there
out
at
5.8
feet.
K
J
So
I'll
add
to
that
this
is
where
we're
going
to
need
to
involve
the
county
and
we've
already
had
conversations
with
the
county.
Robins
made
a
good
connection
with
hank
hoddy
county.
C
I
I
I
Are
you
potentially
having
water
raised
around
spring
by
you
and
out
that
marconi
area,
like
there's,
there's
a
little
they're,
probably
like
six
or
seven
houses
off
in
us
that
that
come
right
into
whitcomb,
bayou
and
then
there's
a
couple
houses
like
as
you're
heading
out
of
the
bayou
underneath
beckett
bridge?
I
I
I
just
envisioned
instead
of
the
ankle
deep
water
walking
around
the
bayou
on
that
day,
and
it's
now,
I'm
short,
it's
knee
deep,
I'm
going
to
drown
before
the
rest
of
you
all,
I'm
just
going
to
go.
There
so
do
any
of
these
take
into
account
where
that
water
is
going
to
go,
and
then
what
happens
to
spring
by
you,
the
structures
around
spring
bayou
or
any
of
the
homes
that
will
have
that.
I
E
J
As
an
infinite
note,
in
modeling
terms,
if
you,
if
you
push
water
out,
if
you
build
a
sand
castle
on
the
ocean
and
you
put
a
build
a
big
moat
and
wall
around
it,
you're
not
going
to
increase
the
water
level
around
you,
because
the
ocean
is
an
infinite
level.
Number.
F
J
J
H
And
the
idea
of
starting
with
whitcomb
bayou
really
began
with
the
board
of
commissioners
and
specifically
with
the
current
vice
mayor,
who
likes
the
idea
of
a
walkway
from
from
craig
park,
all
the
way
to
sunset
beach,
a
wonderful
idea
of
your
four
proposals.
I
think
the
elevated
walkway,
the
multi-purpose
beam
walkway
is
probably
going
to
be
the
most
viable.
H
But
that's
just
my
opinion
from
what
I've
heard
from
you
know.
Other
people,
including
people
on
the
board-
I
I
know
you've
mentioned
a
couple
of
times
that
you
expect
some
pushback
from
citizens
who
don't
want
to
lose
their
view
and,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
you've
used
a
10-year
versus
a
100-year
flood
elevation.
H
H
K
Right
yeah,
I
think
we
need
to
emphasize
some
of
the
things
that
they
want
to.
You
know
if
we're
coming
to
them
with,
we
may
block
your
views.
We
also
want
to
say:
hey
we're
going
to
save
you
money,
we're
also
going
to
preserve
your
quality
of
life
through
up
to
this
level
of
protection.
Obviously,
but
we
want
to
touch
on
that.
I
think
money
is
a
big
thing
and
then
quality
of
life.
K
You
know
you
don't
want
to
be
disrupted
by
floods
either
into
your
house
or
even
on
the
main
road
around
the
bayou
and
so
function,
everyday
function
and
savings
of
flood
insurance
as
well.
The
combined
of
those
two
factors,
I
think,
have
been
welcome
to
hear
anything
else.
If
you
have
any
suggestions.
D
I'd
like
to
piggyback
on
that,
you
know
we're
going
through
a
major
election.
E
D
Lots
of
the
discussion
at
all
of
the
public
events
a
lot
of
it's
about
keeping
the
look
of
tarpon
historical
preservation
and
putting
these
walls
around,
even
if
they're,
not
too
big,
is
not
sort
of
the
idea
that
people
have
of
what
tarpon
is
supposed
to
look
like.
So
I
think
that
to
use
all
the
computer
technology
to
make
images
sort
of
to
show
how
it
could
look
plants
in
front
of
it,
you
know
make
it
look
attractive
and
I
think
the
issue
about
flood
insurance.
D
D
D
And
you
may
want
to
think
of
piggybacking
with
the
public
art
committee
and
how
to
and
public
art
is
also
landscape.
I
mean
landscape.
Art
is
a
big
deal
now
so
there's
ways
of
of
doing
this
to
make
it
agreeable,
but
as
it
stands
now,
it's
not
agreeable,
even
though
it
might
be
a
good
thing.
I.
C
E
So
paul
mentioned
a
walkway
from
spring
bayou
to
sunset
beach,
and
then
I
would
I
just
kind
of
thought
like
so
if
we
do
go
with
the
hybrid
one,
where
you've
got
the
walkway,
but
then
you
have
the
sections
that
it's
t-wall
maybe
do
one
of
those
boardwalks.
You
find
it
like
a
park
that
way
it's
like
a
continuous
path,
just
a
thought.
A
K
C
The
funding
would
be
if
the
funding
is
granted,
then
we
have
been
going
to
design
and
then
then
bidding
and
then
construction
right,
so
probably
not
in
the
summer
to
fall
of
2023
you're.
A
I
have
a
question
about
the
alternative:
three,
the
the
walkway.
You
said
that
that's
most
disturbing
to
the
mangroves.
So
what
how
much
mangrove
loss
are
we
talking
and
how
quickly
can
that
be
built
back.
C
Well,
I
think,
in
disturbing,
in
the
sense
that
the
the
berm
would
have
to
be
placed
where
mangroves
are
existing
right
now,
but
I
think
they'll.
The
strategy
would
be
to
re
replant
those
mangroves
waterside
and
so
that
not
that
they
would
they
would
be
disturbed,
but
they
would
just
be
relocated
right
right.
So.
K
And
you
have
to
have
a
professional
come
out
and
they
you
know
it's
it's.
They
do
a
pretty
good
job.
I
think
they
it's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
to
convince
them
to
take
on
quite
a
big
project
like
this,
with
mangroves
surrounding
the
entire
bayou
might
be.
They
might
take
a
hard
look
at
that,
and
so
that
is
a
consideration.
Moving
forward
is
how
fdp
will
respond
right.
E
J
Will
add
to
that,
if
I
think
we're
talking
about,
maybe,
as
you
was
mentioning
the
railings
and
the
safety,
that's
an
important
concern,
but
also
think
about
this.
The
berm
is
what
sets
the
elevation
right.
So
that's
that's,
sitting
at
five
foot,
eight
elevation
approximately
three
feet
above
the
the
road
surface.
Now
you
got
a
railing.
That's
another
three
four
feet
above
that.
So,
if
you
didn't,
if
you
thought
the
firm
was
ugly
wait
till.
J
You
know,
and
if
you
do
a
boardwalk,
you
have
it
have
the
same
concern
so
sure
what
your
point
was
excellent.
When
we
do
the
renderings,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
get
more
realistic
about
that
and
really
show
what
it's
going
to
look
like.
I
think
this
one
is
going
to
probably
be
the
hardest
one
to
do.
J
Them
and
when
you
talked
about
recovering
the
boulders,
that's
part
of
that,
because
now
anytime,
you
touch
a
boulder
you're,
touching
a
an
army
corps
project
right,
and
so
this
one
is
going
to
be
very,
very
difficult.
We're
going
to
emphasize
that
as
well.
E
C
That's
a
good
point.
I
think
that
here
I
think
it's
good
to
present
in
our
public
meetings
means
to
the
public
and
the
board.
I
know
that
the
t
walls
have
been
used
successfully
in
new
orleans
a
lot
and
I'm
sure
this
project,
some
that
we
can
find
in
florida
as
well,
but
elevator.
K
Road
with
florida,
the
one.
K
The
top
of
my
head
is
an
elevated
pathway,
I'm
trying
to
think
if
I
remember
one
from
actually.
K
Right,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
to
add
an
act.
You
know
a
live
example
of
this
where
successful,
what
that
looked
like,
and
then
you
kind
of
draw
that
into
the
whitcomb
value
here
as
well
kind
of
a.
D
Concern
I
would
suggest
that
you
talk
to
the
city
arborist,
about
mangroves
and
how
to
replant
them
and
how
to
plant
new
mangroves
and
how
quickly
they
grow.
I
mean
mangroves
in
front
of
you
know.
On
my
bio
creamer
bayou
I
mean
we
get
new
sprouts,
all
the
time
that
are
just
driving
growing
like
crazy.
So,
and
I
mean
we
love
mangroves
and
it's
important
with
the
mangroves
to
also
say
that
they're
a
major
collector
of
co2,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
mangroves
are
so
important,
so
we
don't.
F
C
A
We
have
13
minutes
left
in
tonight's
meeting
so
and
we
still
need
to
get
to
the.
A
Reduce
your
campaign
reduce
your
use
campaign,
so
is:
what
is
it
that
you
need
from
us?
Is
it
tonight?
Is
it
like
a
preference
for
one
of
the
options,
or
was
this
it
that
you
got
some
feedback
on.
K
I
think
we
would
like
some
of
the
feedback
on
what
to
expect
or
what
to
bring
to
the
presentation
to
the
board
of
commissioners
has
been
great.
That's
been
some
of
the
how
we
can
present
them
to
present
these
alternatives
to
them,
and
that
kind
of
feedback
is
is
most
important.
C
K
C
J
It's
up
to
this
committee.
They
can
choose
to
give
us
that
direct
feedback
say
we
like
option
x
better
than
all
of
them,
or
we
can
just
take
the
individual
feedback
on
all
the
alternatives
and
present
that
to
the
board
of
commissioners
as
well.
When
we
discuss
each
one,
yes
board.
This
is
what
the
sustainability
committee
thought
about
alternative
one
alternative
to
turning
three
and
alternative
four.
Either
way
you
want
to
do
it.
It's
fine
with
us.
F
F
Also
want
to
mention,
which
are
the
that
are
our
roads
and
which
are
not
our
roads,
where
the.
Where.
F
A
And
I'd
like
to
not
weigh
in
on
option
one
two,
three
or
four,
but
just
kind
of
collectively
take
what
we've
given
you
tonight
and
then,
if
you
have
anything
else
that
you
think
of
that,
you
know
you'd
like
to
then
get
that
to
robin.
So
she
can
get
that
to
the
arcadis
team.
H
J
H
E
C
K
Yeah,
for
example,
t-wall
may
have
impacts
on
mangroves
and
the
rip-rap
in
certain
areas,
but
a
lot
less
than
trying
to
put
the
elevated
pathway
in
the
same
spot.
That's
going
to
cover
more
room
and
end
up,
causing
a
lot
more
direct
impacts
to
those
structures
to
make
very
proud
yeah.
A
D
B
So
are
any
of
you
all
familiar
with
the
reduce
your
use
campaign,
as
it
is,
I
see,
denise
says
dory
is
so.
This
is
an
existing
campaign
that
was
created
as
a
partnership
between
hillsborough,
county
pinellas,
county
city
of
tampa
city
of
st
petersburg,
keep
tampa
bay,
beautiful
and
keep
pinellas
beautiful,
and
some
of
those
partners
have
joined
over
time
and
they're
open
to
any
city,
county
or
non-profits
participation
as
a
sponsor
of
this
program.
B
So
essentially,
through
this
campaign,
individuals
and
businesses
can
take
a
pledge
to
reduce
their
waste
production
and
it
requires
no
commitment
on.
If
we
were
to
participate
in
this
program,
we
would
not
have
a
time
commitment.
There
would
be
no
associated
cost.
Nothing
of
that
nature.
All
that
we
would
do
is
essentially
say
that
the
city
of
tarpon
springs
supports
this
campaign.
It
would
go
on
our
website
and
we
can
hand
out
promotional
materials
at
events
saying
that
we
sponsor
this
initiative
or
we
rather,
we
support
the
initiative.
B
B
Then
they
actually
submit
the
the
pledge-
and
this
gives
great
data
tracking
and
they
can
also
track
by
zip
code.
So
we
can
actually
keep
track
of
what
residents
and
tarpon
springs
if
they're
actually
taking
it.
What
are
they
saying?
This
provides
great
data
like
if
they
say,
for
instance,
a
lot
of
them
are
indicating
that
they
want
passing
out
on
disposable,
takeout
boxes
and
bringing
their
own
reusable
containers.
Well,
that's
something
that
we
can
then
take
to
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
show
them
this
data
and
then
maybe
do
something
with
it.
B
And
similarly
again,
there's
no
cost
or
any
sort
of
they
don't
have
to
report
to
anybody
or
do
anything
that
would
be
obtrusive
for
them.
They
just
say
the
ways
that
they
would
like
to
reduce
their
waste
production
after
they
submit
this
hillsborough
county
then
works
with
them,
gives
them
promotional
items
and
gives
them
free
advertising
for
participating
in
this
program.
B
So,
yes,
and
then
you
can
actually
update
your
pledge
if
you
want
to
in
the
future.
If
say,
the
business
started,
doing
additional
actions,
so
the
businesses
do
give
their
their
information.
That
will
then
be
put
on
the
website.
B
So
if
they
start
out
only
committing
to
one
or
two
things
but
then
start
adding
in,
I
don't
know
utilize
a
commercial
recycling
program
later
on,
then
they
can
come
here
and
update
it
and
be
recognized
for
those
additional
actions
that
they
are
now
taking,
and
I
met
with
hillsborough
county
about
this
program
and
they
just
confirmed.
There's
no
cost,
there's
no
real
commitment.
B
They
just
would
want
a
copy
of
our
logo
to
put
on
the
website,
and
they
ask
that
we
do
our
best
to
help
spread
the
word-
and
I
do
want
to
point
out
specifically
that
this
would
fit
in
well
with
star
climate
and
energy
action.
Three
education
and
outreach
create
an
education
and
outreach
campaign
to
engage
residents,
businesses
and
local
government
staff
and
their
roles
in
achieving
waste
reduction
targets.
B
So
this
is
great
because
it's
an
existing
campaign
with
a
lot
of
participation,
a
lot
of
advertising
a
lot
of
partners
might
be
more
success,
successful
than
starting
our
own
from
the
ground
up.
So
this
is
for
your
consideration.
We
already
talked
about
this
with
the
city
manager.
He
seemed
to
be
interested
and
wanted
us
to
bring
it
to
you
all
tonight
to
hear
your
thoughts.
D
B
Well,
they
don't
even
have
to
choose
straws
if
they
don't
want
to
it's
completely
yeah.
It's
completely
voluntary
for
this
one,
I'm
not
sure
how
sane
what
they're
doing.
B
Yeah,
I
was
plastic
or
whatever
yes.
Well,
this
one
is
yeah,
it's
entirely
voluntary
for
whatever
the
individual
or
the
business
wants
to
do.
There's
no
sort
of
you
don't
have
to
prove
it
and
they
don't
check
in
on
you
to
make
sure
you're
doing
it.
D
B
I
think
this
one
is
just
more
one
of
good
faith:
yeah
that
you're
that
you're
going
to
do
the
things
you're
you're
committing
to
and
that
the
county
will
be
they
will.
Let
you
be
as
involved
as
you
want
to
be
particularly
daniel.
Gallagher
is
the
one
who
kind
of
runs
this
program
with
hillsborough
county
he's
the
recycling
and
waste
specialist,
and
he
mentioned
that
a
restaurant
in
tampa.
I
think
it's
called
cali
siccio
cali
or
something
like
that.
E
A
Good
very
good
all
right
looks
like
that
is
the
end
of
we
did
it.
We
got
through
it
good
job,
everybody
public
comments.
Would
you
like
to
see
anything
come
on
up
and
interesting?
Your
name
and
address
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
gabrielle
kiliman.
I
recently
moved
here
to
tarpon,
so
I
wanted
to
get
involved
and
see
what
was
going
on
in
the
city
yeah.
So
it
sounds
great.
A
One
of
the
comments
I
made
to
the
arcadis
people
was
that,
like
I
thought,
maybe,
instead
of
raising
the
road
and
things
like
that,
they
should
have
just
put
in
permeable
pavement
and
then
rain
gardens
and
they
kind
of
said
you
know.
Maybe
that
wouldn't
be
enough,
so
I
think
it'd
be
cool
to
have
maybe
like
a
public
initiative
for
more
rain
gardens
in
your
own
property,
because
that
can
help
with
flooding
and
things
like
that,
so
yeah
good
to
meet.
You
guys
welcome.
Thank
you
for
coming
all
right
staff
comments.
B
Dory,
I
know
you
wanted
to
talk
about
your
article
during
committee
comments.
I
think,
to
do
that.
We
would
need
to
extend
the
meeting
a
couple
minutes.
A
A
Okay,
all
in
favor,
okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
I
mean
I
shared
the
article
with
y'all
and
the
the
report
so
noah's
released
their
new
report
and
now
they're
projecting
the
the
two
level
rate
rise
in
sea
level
by
2050..
So
we're
talking
like
30
years
from
now,
we're
looking
at
two
feet
more
sea
level,
and
they
specifically
mentioned
that
gulf
communities
along
the
gulf
of
mexico
are
probably
going
to
be
impacted.
Greater
than
other
parts
of.
A
So
the
the
conversation
with
arcadis-
I
mean
no,
it's
not
going
to
prevent
a
catastrophic
event,
but
we
we're
going
to
need
to
get
very
real,
very
quickly
about
as
a
city,
how
you
know
we're
addressing
rainy
day
flooding
on
our
roads.
So
I
would
like
to
pass
that
along
to
the
board
of
commissioners
for
just
to
make
them
aware
of
the
report
as
part
of
just
their
ongoing
education.
If
you
guys
are
okay
with
that.
H
I
would
add
a
couple
of
things
to
that:
the
article
talked
about
12
to
14
inches
and
now
we're
saying
two
feet.
I
didn't
find
the
two
feet
in
that
article.
So
when
did
when
did
that
change
happen?.
E
H
I
mean
I
don't
know
that
that's
even
the
intermediate
that
noah
publishes
for
for
that
period
of
time
2050,
but
I
think
it's
which,
whichever
number,
and
I
think
two
two
feet,
is
certainly
a
lot
more
reasonable
than
one.
H
I
think
it's
important
to
say
that
the
high
estimate,
which
would
be
three
feet
by
2055,
is
based
upon
the
assumption
that
we
as
a
species
will
continue
burning
fossil
fuels
at
the
rate
that
we
are
today
and
coupled
with
that,
the
fact
that
we
ain't
slowing
down
a
bit
in
spite
of
all
the
promises
that
countries
have
made,
we
put
more
millions
of
tons
of
co2
in
the
atmosphere
in
2021
than
we
did
in
2019,
so
we're.
H
Actually
I
mean
we
had
a
little
blip
in
2020
because
of
the
of
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
but
last
year
we
just
threw
some
more
back
on
and
we're
not
slowing
down.
So
the
high
estimate,
which
is
based
on
us,
not
learning
anything
and
not
changing
our
burning
of
corals,
may
become
the
real
estimate.
So
two
feet
may
be
an
underestimate,
but
I
think
it's
important
just
to
know
what
that's
based
on
the
the
intermediate
assumes
that
we're
going
to
learn
and
change.