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House Agriculture and Natural Resources Committee - February 23, 2022 - House Hearing Room 3
A
A
Good
afternoon,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
this
is
the
house,
agriculture
and
natural
resources
committee.
It
is
february
23rd
at
two
o'clock
in
the
afternoon.
This
meeting
is
now
in
session
clerk
call
the
roll.
A
Thank
you
clerk
personal
orders.
Anyone
today
with
personal
orders,
referendum
grills.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
There's
these
green
bags
that
were
given
to
us
by
the
tennessee
soybean
association.
They
were
here
two
weeks
ago
and
there's
some
promotional
items
in
there
that
you
can
use
at
your
convenience
clay.
You
didn't
get
one!
I
guess
you
weren't
here
on
time,
but
but
everything
in
there
was
was
made
with
soybeans
and
I
just
there's
some
pretty
cool
stuff
in
there.
So
that's
some
neat
stuff
plus.
B
I
also
want
to
introduce
my
mom
and
my
dad
and
then
my
wife
and
my
two
little
girls,
and
if
anybody
wants
to
go
right
by
and
talk
to
my
mom
and
dad
about
how
to
raise
an
exemplary
child,
they're
going
to
be
giving
some
they're
going
to
be
giving
some
some
tips
here
in
a
little
while
and
I'm
sure
it'll
be
a
long
line,
so
y'all
might
get
too
early.
But
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
good,
to
have
y'all
you're
welcome.
B
A
If
there
are
no
other
personal
orders,
we
do
have
some
business
today,
we'll
take
up
house
bill,
1975
first
on
our
calendar,
and
then
we
do
have
a
couple
of
presentation.
Presentations
following
that
representative
camp
on
campbell,
you
were
recognized
on
house
bill
1975..
A
C
A
C
Get
you
everywhere
with
that.
I
renew
my
motion.
This
bill
exempts
the
doe
mountain
recreation
authority
from
the
requirement
to
promulgate
rules,
to
establish
and
impose
user
fees,
and
this
will
help
them
out
a
whole
lot
for
those
who
don't
know.
Doe
mountain
recreation
area
in
my
home
county
of
johnson
county
tennessee
is
over
8
600
acres
of
mountainous
terrain,
including
many
trails
where
people
from
across
the
country
are
coming
to
ride
their
side
by
sides
doe
tn.com.
A
Question's
been
called
on
the
bill,
all
in
favor
will
say
aye
all
opposed,
say
no
eyes
have.
It
goes
to
govop,
sir.
Thank
you
come
back,
see
us
sometime.
Thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen.
That
concludes
our
official
business.
So
now
we
will
go
to
the
presentations
that
we
have.
We
will
go
out
a
session
to
do
that
and
we
will
start
with.
D
Person-
oh
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
sorry
to
use
up
so
much
of
my
time
trying
to
turn
the
microphone
on
my
name's
joe
kirkpatrick,
I'm
the
president
of
the
tennessee
growers
coalition
and
the
chairman
of
the
national
hemp
association.
Standing
committee
of
hemp
organizations
appreciate
your
indulgence
today
and
we'll
try
to
go
quick,
so
we
can
leave
some
of
our
time
for
answer
for
for
question
and
answers.
D
I've
got
also
got
our
executive
director,
kelly
hess
with
us,
and
I
have
andrew
bish
with
the
nebraska
hemp
industries,
association,
colorado,
hemp
industries,
association
and
the
hemp
feed
coalition.
So
he
he
himself
is
a
row.
Crop
farmer
and
develops
equipment,
and
things
like
that
and
he'll
be
able
to
answer
a
lot
of
technical
questions
that
I
likely
would
not
be
able
to.
We've
enjoyed
a
great
partnership
with
the
state
of
tennessee
and
who
who
leads
the
tennessee
growers
coalition
coalition.
D
Like
I
said
it's
kelly
and
I
and
when
kelly,
founded
this
and
came
to
me
and
asked
me
to
come
from
the
trade
association
over
into
full-time
advocacy
for
this,
you
know
we
asked
ourselves
the
question.
What
what
is
who
is
our
primary
constituency
and
every
every
question
we
ask-
is
what
benefits
farmers.
That
is.
That
is
the
first
question
we
put
before
everything
that
we
do.
We've
been
around
here.
We've
passed
a
lot.
D
We've
passed
some
legislation,
we
hope
to
pass
some
more
and,
of
course,
hemp
goes
way
back
in
tennessee
history.
Here's
some
photos,
there's
a
photo
from
the
1840s
in
the
1850s
tennessee
census,
actually
showed
that
we
produced
454
tons
of
hemp,
we're
actually
we
have
pat
shovel
in
the
in
the
audience
today,
she's
actually
raising
investment
capital
for
an
outfit
that
seeks
to
be
put
in
weekly
county.
That
would
process
five
tons
an
hour.
So
that's
the
kind
of
scale
we're
talking
about
we'd
like
to
see
you
know.
D
Everybody
knows
most
about
hemp
derived
cannabinoids,
that's
probably
80
80
to
90
percent
of
today's
market.
We'd
like
to
see
that
inverted.
We
would
like
to
see
you
know.
D
There
are
some
studies
recently,
though,
a
peer-reviewed
study
at
oregon
state
that
showed
that
natural
precursors
unprocessed
cannabinoids
from
hemp,
cbda
and
cbga
combat
covid19,
so
there's
so
much
promise
there,
and
hopefully
we
can
get
the
funding
to
do
those
studies
someday.
We
do
have
some
federal
issues
that
andy
and
I
are
working
on
together,
along
with
jake
waddell
who's
in
the
audience
and
we'll
be
speaking
to
you
shortly.
There's
there's
three
things
we'd
like
to
do
federally.
Of
course,
this
is
the
year
as
you're
well
aware
of
the
farm
bill.
D
We
would
like
to
change
the
federal
definition,
so
the
state
can
then
follow
along
to
get
total
thc
to
one
percent
from
0.3,
because
mainly
for
our
cannabinoid
crops,
it's
difficult
to
to
be
under
0.3
total
we'd
like
to
get
that
done,
we'd
like
to
remove
all
testing
requirements
for
grain
and
fiber
crops
and
and
background
checks
on
and
fingerprinting
of
farmers,
which
has
come
from
the
2018
farm
bill.
D
There's
a
and
by
the
way,
all
of
you
have
this
coffee
table
book
that
we
created
for
you.
You
know,
I
know
that
we're
really
busy
right
now,
this
time
of
year
with
the
session,
but
we've
given
you
something
where
you
can
really
take
a
deep
dive
on
sort
of
the
economic
impact,
the
numbers
and
the
various
segments
of
the
hemp
market
that
we
hope
to
address
in
tennessee.
D
This
is
this
is
just
explaining
a
little
bit
about
the
prod
project
in
dresden
and
the
one
in
martin,
but
okay,
so
I
want
to
actually
turn
over
to
andy
right
now
to
talk
about
and
he
can
reintroduce
himself.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
may
have
some
more
comments.
If
that's
okay
with
you
as
we
go
on.
E
E
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
economics,
I'm
sure
we've
probably
seen
a
lot
of
different
products
and
talked
about
a
lot
of
different
products
over
the
years
that
can
be
made
with
hemp,
but
as
it
comes
to
the
economic
impact,
just
one
facility
in
the
state
of
tennessee,
if
you're
looking
at
five
ton
per
hour,
could
employ
up
to
117
people
and
have
an
annual
payroll
of
about
6.1
million.
E
Four,
if,
if
there's
some
government
assistance
that
goes
into
it
would
be
kind
of
how
the
growth
of
that
looks
like
over
the
course
of
the
next
next
nine
years,
when
you're
looking
at
production,
current
rates
on
a
per
acre
basis
for
fiber
are
coming
in
at
around
718
dollars,
an
acre
for
the
stocks
when
you're
looking
at
mixing
in
grain
itself
at
six
hundred
dollars,
an
acre
and
seed
propagation
is
coming
in
around
six
hundred
and
seventy
sixty
seven
dollars
per
acre.
E
So
when
you
look
at
what
does
that
mean
for
tennessee
tennessee
harvested
1.6
million
acres
of
soybeans
last
year,
815
000,
acres
of
corn,
19
000,
acres
of
hay,
275,
000,
acres
of
cotton
and
230
000
acres
of
wheat.
Now,
if
you
look
at,
if,
if
you
were
to
put
hemp
into
that
rotation,
there
would
be
an
increase
in
per
acre
revenues
to
producers.
E
If
you're
a
soybean
producer,
you
would
see
a
per
acre
revenue
increase
of
62
percent
with
corn
coming
in
about
9.8
percent.
A
hay
farmer
would
experience
a
4.25
percent
increase
per
acre,
whereas
a
cotton
farmer
19.7
and
a
wheat
farmer
168
percent
respectively.
E
So
those
are
some
examples
of
how
it
could
impact
the
producers
directly
in
the
state
of
tennessee
in
an
overall
projected
farm
income
in
in
millions
by
2030,
it's
estimated
that
there
will
be
about
10
million
10
billion
dollars
of
hemp
produced
somewhere
between
2.9
and
10
billion
nationally.
E
Also
nationally,
when
you're
looking
at
jobs
created
somewhere
between
17
000
and
63
000
is
the
estimate,
with
the
most
amount
of
jobs
going
to
states
that
embrace
the
the
industrial
hemp
revolution
that
that's
currently
coming
now,
when
you
look
at
decortication
facilities
and
investment
as
it
pertains
to
the
state.
E
This
slide
here,
just
kind
of
goes
over
the
current
cost.
E
An
estimated
cost
for
a
complete,
build
out
of
a
decortication
facility
would
be
about
30
million
dollars
and
then,
when
you
look
at
some
of
the
other
equipment
that
goes
into
that,
whether
it's
combines
or
other
types
of
cutters,
approximately
30
million
dollars
and
then
2
million
dollars
in
in
bailing
revenue
just
for
the
2022
to
2023
season
and
that
bumps
up
to
15
billion
in
decortication
facility
build
out
by
2030
with
equipment
estimated
at
3
billion
and
3
billion,
with
another
200
million
in
in
baylor's.
E
Also
from
a
carbon
sequestration
standpoint,
if
you're
looking
at
eight
million
acres,
that's
just
over
eight
million
pounds
of
co2
sequestered
each
year,
just
by
planting
planting
hat,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
to
you,
joe
sure
sure.
D
One
more
highlight
I'd
really
like
to
get
to
that
sort
of
at
the
end
of
this
presentation.
As
you
can
see,
the
national
hemp
association
has
put
a
lot
of
resources
and
they're
all
cited
at
the
end
of
the
study
for
you
to
sort
of
digest
each
of
these
each
of
these
market
sectors,
whether
that
be
the
grain
production,
how
hemp
protein
compares
to
other
proteins
from
various
impacts
of
climate,
how
much
proteins
in
them
things
like
that
you
can
just
get!
You
can
glean
all
that
from
there.
D
Then
it
kind
of
gets
in
and
shows
you
some
of
the
leaders
in
in
the
spaces
like
with,
for
instance,
the
grain
production
is
dominated
by
canadian
sources
right
now
and
that's
starting
to
move
into
america.
One
thing
that
the
grain
production
does
do
is
grain
by
nature,
creates
pollen
and
therefore,
if
we
were
growing
massive
amounts
of
grain,
that
would
be
putting
hemp
pollen
all
over
a
20
square
mile
radius,
a
20
mile
radius
of
where
it's
being
grown,
so
that
is
going
to
push
most
of
the
cbd
production
indoors.
D
So
that's!
You
know
one
important
point
that
I
like
to
make
animal
bedding
is
a
big
thing:
jake
jake
waddell
is
going
to
have
a
big
presentation
for
you
about
the
about
hemp,
construction
and
the
valuable
sustainable
materials
that
can
be
created
from
hemp,
fiber,
hemp,
crete.
D
Of
course,
tennessee
is
the
number
one
manufacturer
of
automobiles,
and
that's
our
footprint's
about
to
become
even
larger,
in
that
we
mercedes
and
bmw
are
already
putting
large
amounts
of
european
and
chinese
fiber
in
their
in
their
cars.
Now,
of
course,
you
know
the
america,
that's
one
thing
that
america
can
compete
with
china
on
is
agriculture,
so
we
certainly
need,
and
we
can
definitely
compete
with
europe
on
agriculture.
D
So
that's
one
of
those
things
that
we
need
to
be
doing
and
investing
in
paper.
Of
course,
we're
not
just
we're
not
suggesting
that
we
we
want
to
jump
in
and
put
cotton
put
pulp
out
of
business.
Take
those
markets
over
all
we're
looking
for
is
to
have
hemp
integrated
into
some
of
those
products,
because
you
know
we
see
toilet
paper
shortages
wipes
things
like
that.
These
are
all
things
that
could
easily
hemp
could
easily
be
integrated
into
the
production
of
those
products,
of
course,
fashion.
D
The
bass
fiber,
of
course,
the
decortication
facilities
actually
a
lot
of
the
products,
the
the
hemp,
cotton
and
things
like
that
and
the
dust
for
injection,
molding
and
different
products,
and
things
like
that
could
be
made
without
decorticators.
D
However,
in
order
to
get
the
fiber
that
we
need
to
start
making
thread,
and
things
like
that,
we
do
need
these
multi-million
dollar
facilities,
and
I
think
the
earlier
slide
showed
that
we
would
need
182
million
dollars
in
investment
in
order
to
be
able
to
grow
75
000
acres
of
hemp
in
tennessee,
which
would
put
us
at
the
level
where
we
need
to
be
in
order
to
start
competing
for
automobile
con.
You
know,
contracts
with
toyota,
general
motors,
ford,
etc.
Nissan
volkswagen
hemp.
D
D
Derived
biofuels,
so
you
know
the
bio
diesel
can
be
made
from
the
grain.
Has
a
very
low
coagulation
point
relative
to
some
of
the
other
biodiesels,
and
also
alcohol
can
can
be
made
cellulosic
alcohol.
This
is
really
one
that
I
want
to
just
end
with
batteries.
I
have
15
year
old
triplets.
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
double
a
and
triple
a
batteries
we
go
through
in
our
household
a
week.
It's
very
expensive
graphene
is
a
a
space
age
product.
That's
been
developed
that
that
is
a
super
capacitor.
D
It
is
presently
five
two
thousand
dollars
per
gram.
They
won
the
nobel
prize
for
the
development
of
all
that
technology
that
goes
with
graphene.
This
a
similar
product
can
be
made
from
hemp
at
five
hundred
dollars,
a
ton
versus
two
thousand
dollars.
A
gram
talk
about
market
disruption
that
that's
amazing,
so
hemp
has
many.
It
has
25
hemp,
grain
and
fiber.
There's
25
000
uses
for
hemp,
so
you
know
andy's
here,
I'm
here
kelly's
here,
we'd
like
to
open
it
to
questions.
If
you
will,
mr
chairman,
thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
for
being
here,
mr
halsey
bud
halsey.
You
are
recognized,
sir.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thanks
for
being
here
a
couple
questions
are
you:
are
you
from
colorado
or
nebraska
central
nebraska,
central
nebraska?
I
grew
up
in
colorado.
I'm
just
wondering
do
we
have
any
interest
in
some
of
these
manufacturing
places
that
can
convert.
Is
that
on
the
board?
Are
there
people
coming
in
the
only
reason
I'm
asking
I'd
like
to
grow
about
five
acres,
but
there's
no
place
to
sell
it.
D
Pat
pat
is
raising
money
right
now
through
a
group
of
celebrity
athlete
type
people
that
want
to
invest
in,
and
I
think
martin
actually
has
a
an
enterprise
zone
where
they're
talking
about
manufacturing
the
hemp
blocks,
the
the
replacement
for
concrete
blocks
and
jake
will
talk
more
about
that,
but
also
a
decoration
facility,
so
that
you
know
we
would
need
five
or
six
of
those
in
tennessee
to
service
the
kind
of
volume
that
would
really
be
need
needed
to
compete
on
a
global
basis.
Does
any
answer
your
question?
B
Thank
you,
chairman.
The
help
of
manufacturing,
whether
it's
the
blocks
or
some
other
derivative
of
of
hemp.
D
For
fiber
for
fiber
row
crop
you
know,
row
crop
country
would
be
the
ideal
place
now.
Obviously
you
know
in
middle
tennessee
we
have
robertson.
County
has
a
whole
lot
of
you
know
suitable
land
down
around
murfreesboro.
You
see
a
whole
lot
of
flat
land,
but
the
western
part
of
the
state
would
probably
be
the
most
ideal
place
to
grow.
Put
hemp
in
rotation
on
a
massive
scale.
Certainly
again,
you
know
one.
D
One
of
the
positive
things
about
hemp
is:
has
extremely
deep
tap
roots,
so
it's
great
for
it's
great
for
conditioning
the
soil.
If
you
get
it
planted
early
enough,
you
know
it
creates
a
canopy
where
it
doesn't
require.
Now
you
know
they're
pre-emergents
presently
aren't
approved
for
it.
D
As
far
as
I
know,
but
you
know
certainly
those
are
things
you
know
we
can
work
on,
but
that
sort
of
it
gets
growing
at
such
a
fast
rate
and
these
plants
can
get
anywhere
from
12
to
20
feet
tall,
so
the
amount
the
amount
of
biomass
andy
per
ton.
What
are
we
talking
about
with
a
fiber
crop
per
ton?
E
D
E
A
F
A
F
All
right
so
today
there's
a
lot
to
know
about
this
plant.
There's
a
lot
to
know
about
its
potentials.
There's
a
lot
of
benefits
to
it.
Today,
I'm
gonna
base
I'm
going
to
be
focusing
on
the
economic
aspects
and
really
kind
of
what
we
can
be
looking
for
as
potential
in
this
area
and
I'll
just
be
moving
it
through
there.
F
So
I
have
a
national
vision.
I
I've
been
to
different
parts
of
the
country.
I've
seen
different
things.
I
live
near
percy
priest.
I
live
in
this
area.
I
want
tennessee
to
win
right
now,
I'm
seeing
money
coming
in
to
the
national
environment
and
they're
looking
for
where
they
can
grow.
The
reality
is
that
for
most
of
these
operations,
it's
going
to
take
multiple
years
to
get
to
where
they're
in
production
and
if
we
don't
set
the
foundation
now
so
they
feel
welcome
to
come
into
our
environment,
it'll
delay,
us
being
a
competitor.
F
I
mean
most
of
these
things,
unlike
cannabinoids
take
infrastructure
that
needs
to
be
built
up.
So
it's
something
to
keep
in
mind
and
why
it's
an
issue
today.
F
So
when
we
see
a
strong
fiber
industry
coming
into
our
region,
which
seems
to
be
probably
the
most
viable
industry
for
us
to
enter
into,
that
is
good
for
us
and
that
could
be
really
good
for
our
economy.
Now,
no
matter
what
statistics
and
numbers
you
look
at
numbers
are
numbers
and
they're
based
on
assumptions.
F
Now,
like
I
said,
I've
been
to
different
areas
of
the
country.
I
see
the
north.
The
north
is
great
for
grain.
I
see
the
west
coast,
everything
costs
a
lot
out
there
and
they're
going
to
have
to
make
their
money
to
get
there.
Here
we
have
some
very
specific
advantages
in
the
southeast.
It's
the
textile
infrastructure
seems
to
be
a
big
deal
next
week,
I'll
be
at
the
industrial
hemp
summit.
That's
based
in
north
carolina.
That's
been
going
for
five
years.
F
It's
run
by,
I
think
the
lead
sponsors
huber
and
so
we're
talking
about
big
money
players
that
are
looking
at
this
industry
and
trying
to
find
the
way
forward.
Patagonia
will
be
there
other
textile
manufacturers,
and
this
is
the
industry.
We
need
to
be
looking
at
large
infrastructure
of
current
companies,
such
as
our
automotive
industry,
was
pointed
out.
F
It
starts
with
the
farmer,
of
course,
but
then
it
goes
to
a
processor,
and
then
we
go
to
an
end
product
or
a
product,
then
to
an
end
product
if
you're
making
components.
So
we
have
lots
of
different
layers
and
lots
of
different
jobs
that
can
be
created
now
from
the
building
side,
we're
looking
at
real
estate
developers
that
are
looking
at
this
construction
professionals
they're.
F
Looking
at
this
building
materials
distributors,
we
just
had
one
move
into
knoxville
hempitecture,
which
was
out
of
idaho,
but
they've
re
they've
moved
their
distribution
center
in
the
east
coast
to
knoxville
because
of
our
location
and
right
now,
there's
research
being
done
in
oak
ridge,
national
laboratory
on
hemp
and
hemp
building
materials
because
they
see
the
potential
and
we
need
to
continue
that
investment
and
continue
that
movement
forward.
Now,
also
to
point
out
that
tennessee
has
hemp
leaders
right
now.
F
I
myself
am
the
interim
executive
director
of
the
u.s
hemp
building
association,
as
well
as
the
huma
us
hemp
building
foundation.
We
also
are
leading
in
the
the
national
hemp
association
standing
committee
of
hemp
organizations
out
of
that
13
members.
Three
of
them
are
from
tennessee,
with
joe
being
our
chairperson
and
myself,
acting
as
secretary
and
treasurer,
and
we
have
the
hemp
alliance,
tennessee
and
tgc
here,
which
are
making
a
good
point
and
moving
us
forward
now:
investment
in
hemp
building.
F
F
So
if
we
want
to
be
part
of
the
economic
boom
that
is
expected,
we
can
look
at
places
like
the
pennsylvania
department
of
ag
who
are
investing
in
grants
for
educational
material
and
building
projects
that
are
having
projects
pop
up
in
the
affordable
housing
area
and
other
regions
that
they're
trying
to
push
forward.
You
also
have
colorado.
F
Colorado
has
invested
a
ton
in
hemp
and
now
they're,
focusing
their
profits
from
the
cannabinoid
side
and
refocusing
that
on
the
industrial
building
side,
they're
looking
at
like
five
million
dollars
for
processing
centers,
I
know
that
money
that
bill
hasn't
gone
through
yet,
but
I
know
they're
pushing
for
it.
Similar
things
are
happening
in
new
york
right
now,
they're
pushing
for
millions
of
dollars
for
their
processing
support
and,
of
course,
the
hemp
alliance.
Tennessee
recently
got
grants
for
economic
feasibility
study
in
tennessee,
so
we're
starting
to
see
it
we're
starting
to
move
it
forward.
F
We
need
to
pay
attention
to
this
and
be
open
to
it.
Investment
in
the
industry
can
pay
dividends,
education,
training,
research,
money,
economic
development,
funding.
All
these
things
can
benefit
us
all.
These
things
can
make
us
attractive
to
these
new
businesses,
separation
of
grain
fiber
and
from
cbd.
Now
this
is
crucial
on
the
educational
aspect.
You
know
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
a
different
plant
like
well
same
plant,
different
growing
process.
F
That's
a
big
advantage
to
us.
Now
we
do
have
a
national
campaign
called
hemp
exemption.com,
which
kind
of
lays
out
how
we
see
a
vision
of
having
a
exemption
for
testing
for
grain
and
fiber,
because
right
now,
if
you
have
a
crop
that
is
excellent,
fiber
crop,
it
can
run
two
percent
thc
levels.
This
happened
in
montana
and
suddenly
you're
potentially
destroying
a
crop.
When
we
talk
about
large
industries,
that
is
a
risk
they
cannot
deal
with.
I
will
not.
F
I
would
be
surprised
or
actually
know
for
sure
that
if
nissan
knew
that
their
supply
chain
could
be
disrupted
because
a
crop
tested
hot,
they
would
reconsider
that
being
part
of
their
supply
chain.
So
it's
something
we
have
to
consider.
We've
seen
it
already
adopted
in
vermont
through
their
state
plan
and
is
a
concept
that
I
think
should
be
considered.
F
Yeah
and
that's
part
of
having
reasonable
rules
and
regulations
investing
in
hemp-
and
I
don't
know
how
I'm
doing
on
time,
so
I'm
just
gonna,
I'm
good.
All
right,
I'm
gonna
keep
going
like
I
said
about
half
this
presentation
is
the
presentation.
The
other
half
is
just
for
your
education,
so
I'm
not
gonna
go
through
it.
Investing
in
the
hemp
industry.
Now,
investment
in
the
hemp
industry
can
be
applied
in
many
ways:
education
and
training
courses.
F
Education
is
key
right
now
to
make
people
understand
the
possibilities
of
this
and
to
bring
it
into
the
market.
Research
and
development
funding,
like
I
said
oak
ridge,
national
laboratory
is
already
in
researching
this.
If
we
can
promote
that
further
research
in
our
university
systems,
I
think
that
is
a
good
way
where
we
can
move
forward
and
do
the
r
d
needed
in
order
to
move
this
industry
forward
carbon
impact
calculations,
especially
as
things
move
forward
and
there's.
F
F
If
you
take
that-
and
you
put
it
in
a
finished
good,
like
a
hemp,
creek
structure
that
is
trapped
for
the
lifetime
of
that
building,
so
now
you've
taken
carbon
grown
in
the
field
and
instead
of
it,
letting
it
biodegrade
in
the
field
like
it
naturally
would
you
trap
it
into
a
wall
for
the
existence
of
the
building,
and
this
can
have
a
giant
impact.
Currently,
the
carbon
footprint
of
the
building
industry
is
about
40
percent,
so
this
is
very
impactful.
F
You
know,
funding
from
such
activities
can
come
from
legislation.
I
know
there's
some
legislation
on
the
table
that
talks
about
funding
going
back
into
the
hemp
industry.
That
is
one
avenue.
Other
avenues
are
looking
to
see
where
money
that
is
currently
in
the
system
can
be
applied
and
consideration
for
using
hemp
products
and
things
like
affordable
housing
products
projects
can
be
looked
at
and
evaluated,
and
I
do
see
a
lot
of
ways
forward
with
that.
We've
seen
those
practices
be
successful
in
other
states,
so
basically,
the
ushba
and
tennessee
help
hemp
development.
F
We
want
to
know
how
we
can
help
you.
You
know
we
are
developing
training
and
education
and
educational
materials,
and
I
would
be
very
happy
if
we
could
promote
tennessee
as
a
pro-hemp
state
and
highlight
the
policies
that
we
have
here,
we're
again
seeing
competitive
behaviors
occurring
from
different
states,
and
I
would
like
tennessee
to
win
like
this
is
where
I
live.
This
is
where
I
expect
to
live
for
possibly
the
rest
of
my
life,
so
this
is
where
I
want
the
money
to
go.
F
So
that's
what
I
would
say
to
you
is:
how
can
we
help
you
please
reach
out
to
me?
If
you
can
contact
information
is
in
the
presentation
and
things
you
could
do.
You
know
public
statements
of
support,
investing
in
the
fibre
hemp
industry
and
creating
rules
and
regulations
that
allow
the
fiber
hemp
industry
to
thrive.
C
Todd,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
mr
waddell
appreciate
you
being
here
and
sharing
this
with
us,
because
I
know
for
the
last
three
years
plus
that
I
have
been
involved
in
legislation
getting
our
laws
in
the
state
to
mimic
what
the
federal
pharmac
did
a
few
years
ago.
I've
been
curious
to
know
when
we
would
see
this
part
of
the
market
really
develop
with
the
fiber
products,
so
very
intriguing,
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
fields
of
hemp
grown
in
west
tennessee
and
not
too
distant
future.
Thank
you.
B
F
Okay,
so
us
as
an
organization
submitted
an
irc
appendix
edition
in
january,
and
a
month
from
now,
I
am
in
the
the
here
action
committee
in
new
york
to
discuss
it
so
we're
hoping
to
be
in
the
business,
the
building
code,
the
irc
building
codes
in
2024
and
start
really
trying
to
move
this
forward
and
push
it
forward.
What
we're
seeing
around
country
around
the
country
is
these
buildings
are
being
permitted
and
it
is
a
viable
option
right
now.
F
This
will
really
open
it
up
to
like
larger,
larger
building
construction,
larger
realtor
development,
real
estate
developers,
when
we
have
things
like
a
factory
opening
up
make
blocks
within
our
state.
That
makes
it
a
high
potential
that
we
could
see
growth
and
buildings
within
this
state
in
the
near
future.
F
I
would
say
by
the
timeline
of
their
development,
I
think
about
two
years
like
a
year
and
a
half
two
years
from
prop
blocks
from
our
own
state,
making
construction
in
the
state
we've
seen
successful
construction
in
europe
for
about
30
years
now,
and
we
get
we're
just
we're
not
trying
to
reinvent
the
wheel,
we're
taking
something
that's
being
successful.
In
other
countries
and
bringing
it
here
and
what
they
say
around
the
world
basically
is
until
it
happens
in
the
u.s,
it
doesn't
happen,
and
so
we
want
to
make
it
happen.
B
A
A
A
G
G
So
I'd
like
to
take
you
through
what
we're
doing
and
just
really
educate
you
and
the
committee
as
to
what
the
potential
is
for
critical
minerals
here
in
the
state
of
tennessee
and
what
our
plans
are
to
develop
those
and
reassure
those
critical
minerals
and
metals
here
in
tennessee
for
our
u.s
industries.
G
So
us
at
iperianex,
our
company
is
essentially
looking
to
reshore
critical
minerals
and
metals
through
a
dual
pronged
approach.
One
of
securing
the
minerals
in
the
ground
which
are
located
right
here
in
in
tennessee,
but
also
building
out
the
processing
infrastructure
required
utilizing
technology
that
was
developed
here
by
the
department
of
energy
to
take
those
critical
minerals
and
manufacture
the
metals
that
are
needed
for
our
advanced
industries,
we
focus
and
on
titanium
and
rare
earths.
That's
the
two
critical
and
crucial
material
supply
chains
that
we're
looking
to
reshore
here
in
america.
G
70,
for
instance,
of
titanium
metal,
comes
and
is
produced
from
china
and
russia.
Another
10
is
from
ukraine,
so
there's
obviously
a
big
issue
for
our
defense
industry,
our
aerospace
industry
and
our
future
industries
having
those
critical
materials
supply
chains
located
in
adversarial
countries.
Rare
earths,
which
has
been
a
big
topic
in
the
last
few
years,
which
are
needed
for
the
electric
vehicle
revolution
that
is
going
on
right
now,
is
also
primarily
sourced
from
china.
G
We're
also
looking
to
do
it
sustainably
now
we're
lucky
here
in
west
tennessee,
where
we're
located.
We
operate
out
of
camden
tennessee,
our
properties.
We
have
approximately
eleven
thousand
acres
located
across
benton
carroll
and
henry
county
in
west
tennessee,
these
overly
the
mcnairy
sand
formation.
I
have
my
geologist,
mr
jonathan
lord,
here
with
me.
We
have
been
drilling
for
the
last
year
and
a
half
in
west
tennessee.
G
We
have
spent
probably
six
million
dollars
on
drilling
and
metallurgical
test
work,
300
holes,
15,
tons
of
bulk
samples,
metallurgical
samples,
and
what
we've
done
is
essentially
established
that
this
part
of
west
tennessee
could
be
the
saudi
arabia
of
titanium
and
rare
earth
minerals,
the
mcnairy
sand.
Already.
What
we've
discovered
is
one
of
the
largest.
G
We've
done
quite
a
lot
of
work
already
on
the
downstream
talking
with
partners,
we've
secured
memorandums
of
understanding
with
across
all
our
key
minerals,
whether
it
be
camus
for
the
titanium
pigment
facilities
or
whether
it
be
a
energy
fuels
who
will
help
us
to
refine
the
rare
earth
minerals
coming
out
of
the
ground.
We
have
been
successful
in
driving
forward
the
vision
of
re-shoring
these
critical
materials
supply
chains
here,
and
we
help
to
continue
to
do
that
over
the
next
few
years,
but
we
have
been
diligent
in
everything
we're
doing.
G
G
We
are
not
opening
up
a
pit
for
20
years,
leaving
it
open
extracting
the
minerals
and
then
looking
to
reclaim
the
type
of
operation
that
this
will
be
will
be
essentially
removal
of
topsoil.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
get
a
thing
here.
Oh
sorry,
removal
of
topsoil.
First,
storing
that
topsoil
to
the
side.
You
then
get
into
the
mcnairy
sand
formation
within
a
few
feet
that
mcneary
sand
formation
is
three
to
five
percent
heavy
minerals
which
contains
the
titanium,
the
rare
earth
and
some
of
those
other
critical
minerals.
G
You
extract
that
you
put
it
through
a
gravity
process
which
just
uses
water
and
gravity
to
separate
out
in
spirals
the
heavy
minerals
from
the
light,
minerals,
the
sand,
and
then
you
immediately
put
the
sand
back
in
the
void
behind
you
and
begin
reclamation
and
rehabilitation
activities.
So
this
is
this
is
called
active
reclamation
in
the
mining
industry.
I've
been
in
the
mining
industry
all
my
career,
I
was
in
the
coal
industry
first
and
then
I
was
the
founder
of
a
lithium
company
in
north
carolina.
G
This
is
called
active
reclamation
in
our
in
our
industry
and
what
we're
aiming
to
do
is
not
is
build
upon.
What's
happened
prior
in
the
mining
industry,
this
is
an
example
in
western
australia,
where
I
grew
up
of
a
mine
during
mining
operations
and
then
a
mine
two
years
after
it
was
closed,
and
you
can
see
that
it's
returned
back
into
pasture
land
in
this
case
in
western
australia.
This
is
the
baseline
of
what
we're
looking
at.
What
we're
looking
to
do,
though,
is
to
go
beyond
that.
G
We
have
a
baseline
where
we
can
bring
back
the
land
to
pre-pre-operations
use,
but
we're
looking
to
work
with
the
university
of
tennessee
and
professor
forbes
walker
out
of
the
university
of
tennessee's
institute
of
agriculture,
together
with
the
extension
office
in
henry
and
benton
county,
and
to
look
at
developing
opportunities
to
improve
the
soil
as
we
go
through
these
operations.
Looking
at
adding
biochar
gypsum
to
look
at
carbon
sequestration
opportunities
or
improved
soil
remediation
of
opportunities.
G
Looking
at
socioeconomic
impacts
as
well
is
one
thing
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
with
the
university
of
tennessee.
We
also
want
to
look
at
opportunities
for
native
grasses
native
species
of
trees
for
those
owners
that
want
it.
The
11
000
acres
that
we
control
is
mainly
leases,
so
we
cannot
define
what
the
post
reclamation
or
rehabilitation
land
use
will
be,
but
we
can
at
least
give
a
smorgasbord
a
menu
to
our
landowners
and
from
the
research
that
we
hope
to
do
with
the
university
of
tennessee
I'll.
G
Allow
them
to
make
an
educated
decision
as
to
what
they
want
their
land
to
be
returned
back
to
our
view
is
that
we
want
our
legacy
to
be
that
we
can
not
just
create
wealth
during
mining
operations,
but
return
the
land
back
to
better
conditions
than
what
they
saw
it
before
with
post-mining
uses.
That
may
continue
to
enrich
those
landowners.
That's
the
legacy
we
want
to
leave
behind
is
that
we
we
leave
the
leave
our
land
and
our
planet
behind
in
a
better
better
way
than
what
we
found
it.
G
This
is
not
just
the
right
thing
to
do.
In
my
opinion,
it's
also
good
business
because,
as
I
said,
there's
a
lot
of
minerals
out
here.
We
believe
it
to
be
the
saudi
arabia
of
titanium
and
rare
earths,
and
in
five
years
time,
if
we
haven't
done
the
right
thing,
then
we
won't
be
able
to
have
that
social
licence
to
operate.
We
won't
be
able
to
continue
to
lease
and
operate
in
in
west
tennessee.
We
will
be
essentially
stimulate
our
business
if
we
don't
do
the
right
thing.
G
So
this
is
why
we're
very
adamant
and
very
focused
on
developing
sustainable
practices
in
developing
these
critical
minerals
that
are
critical
for
our
defence
and
aerospace
industries,
as
excuse
me,
as
part
of
our
education
to
the
community
and
to
everybody
here
as
well.
We
are
looking
over
this
year
to
not
just
enact
experimental
plots
with
the
university
of
tennessee
and
do
the
work
required.
We're
also
looking
to
do
some
demonstration
facilities.
G
In
the
next
few
months
we
will
erect
a
demonstration
small
demonstration
plant.
It
will
be
at
a
very
small
scale
as
to
as
to
how
we
will
extract
these
minerals
and
that
we
will
invite
everybody
to
come
see
and
this
we
hope
to
help
continue
to
educate
everybody
as
to
how
benign
and
how
sustainable
this
these
methods
can
be
to
extract
these
key
critical
minerals,
and
we
will
continue,
of
course,
our
community
engagement.
I
have
miss
stephanie
kalkelrod
and
miss
michelle
pierpon
smith.
G
Behind
me,
we
have
built
a
very
strong
community
outreach
in
the
city
of
camden
and
within
henry
benton
and
carroll
counties.
We
are
very
proud
of
the
work
we
do
in
the
community.
We
want
to
continue
to
expand
that
work
and
continue
to
educate
everybody
about
the
potential
mineral
wealth
that
is
here
in
west
tennessee
and
the
potential
generational
jobs
that
this
that
our
development
could
bring
to
west
tennessee
and
to
help
reassure
these
critical
minerals
in
our
county.
G
This
is
a
video
which
I'm
not
going
to
play
just
because
it's
a
bit
a
bit
long,
and
I
would
rather
have
the
time
for
questions,
but
I
would
implore
you
to
just
go
to
our
website
and
look
at
the
videos
or
youtube
some
of
the
community
videos
we've
prepared.
We
have
a
lot
of
support
from
the
the
mayors
within
our
counties,
the
sheriff
and
key
business
leaders
within
the
counties.
G
Our
plans
over
the
rest
of
this
year
to
bring
about
the
re-shoring
of
these
critical
materials
is
to
continue
the
exploration
work
to
work
through
our
techno-economic
assessments.
We
expect
our
first
techno-economic
assessment
to
be
complete
in
the
first
towards
the
end
of
this
quarter.
That
will
give
the
preliminary
capex
and
job
numbers
that
will
come
out
of
these
developments.
Developments
of
this
kind
typically
bring
a
few
hundred
million
dollars
in
initial
capital
investment
and
over
150
jobs
per
mine
or
operation
that
you
build
here.
G
There's
also
opportunities
for
further
downstream
processing
of
these
minerals
into
metals,
I.e,
establishing
titanium
metal
manufacturing
here
in
in
tennessee,
as
well.
On
the
back
end
of
the
of
the
processing
side
on
the
mineral
processing
side.
So
over
this
year
we
will
continue
to
work
through
those
techno
economic
assessments.
We
have
to
work
through
our
permitting
with
tdec,
and
our
view
is
that,
hopefully,
by
the
end
of
this
year
or
the
first
quarter
of
next
year,
we're
in
a
position
to
start
construction
of
our
first
operation
in
the
area
and
hopefully
by
2024.
G
Our
aspirations
are
to
have
our
first
operations
going
and
then
from
there
continue
to
build
out
those
operations
over
the
longer
term.
Again,
this
will
bring
generational
jobs
to
west
tennessee
to
these
communities,
and
importantly,
it
would
reassure
these
critical
material
supply
chains
which
are
now
at
risk
in
some
of
these
adversarial
countries
like
china
and
and
russia.
C
G
Absolutely
so
titanium
metal
is
the
only
structural
metal
which
can
replace
stainless
steel
and
aluminum
or
steel
and
aluminum.
It's
used
heavily
in
aerospace
because
of
its
because
it
is
45
lighter
than
steel,
but
just
as
strong
titanium's
alloys
are
just
as
strong
as
steel,
so
titanium
is
thus
heavily
used
in
our
air
force.
Our
f-35s
are
made
out
of
titanium
their
superstructures
if
it
was
made
cheaper,
which
we
intend
to
do.
It
would
be
used
more
extensively,
not
just
in
our
air
force,
but
in
our
army
and
in
our
navy.
G
G
We
think
that
if
we
can
reshore
it
in
america
and
make
it
cheaper,
it
can
not
only
substitute
foreign
sources,
but
it
can.
It
can
strengthen
our
military
platforms.
One
of
the
key
new
uses
of
titanium
could
be
in
hypersonic
missiles
as
well.
Hypersonic
missiles
need
a
superstructure
which
is
strong
and
lightweight
and
titanium
is
that
so
in
a
lot
of
the
advanced
defensive
applications,
light
weight
and
strength
wins,
and
that's
why
titanium
typically
has
a
very
high
place.
G
Russia,
for
instance,
used
to
supply
us
and
continues
to
supply
sponge
or
the
primary
raw
titanium
metal
across
the
globe,
but
with
boeing
they
supply
the
actual
landing
gear.
They
actually
don't
allow
the
metal
to
be
just
shipped
here.
They
would
rather
pre-manufacture,
what's
called
a
milled
product
and
then
send
it
to
us,
so
these
sort
of,
if
we
don't
produce
it
here,
these
sort
of
critical
systems,
land
gear
with
our
landing
gear,
can't
land
a
plane
without
pumps
in
a
submarine
you
can't.
G
You
can't
operate
that
without
these
minerals
being
produced
here
if
it
gets
if
it
gets
to
a
point
where
there's
a
a
disruption
in
our
supply
chains,
especially
for
our
critical
defense
platforms.
That
could
be
a
big
issue,
so
we
want
to
try
avoid
that
by
rebuilding
these
critical
material
supply
chains
here
in
america
and
just
by
by
the
geological
occurrence
of
what's
happened
here.
This
was
an
ancient
beach
line
65
million
years
ago.
G
C
Just
just
thank
you
so
much
for
bringing
this
information
to
us,
and
I
appreciate
your
investment
in
west
tennessee
and
look
forward
to
hearing
all
the
successes
that
come
from
this
and
especially
how
it
affects
our
national
security.
So
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you,
representative.
A
H
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and,
of
course,
talking
about
camour's
titanium
dioxide.
It's
currently
house
district
74
represent
chemours
in
humphreys
county
and
then,
of
course,
sitting
to
my
right
is
a
chairman,
tandy
darby,
and
we
will
be
your
new
representatives
for
benton
county
as
well
as
henry
county.
We
look
forward
to
further
discussion
and,
of
course,
talking
to
the
leaders
in
benton
county.
H
B
G
No,
no,
we
are
not.
We
have
myself.
I
was
in
the
coal
industry
early
on
in
my
career.
I
was
the
founder
of
coal
coal
operations
in
canada.
Although
I
grew
up
in
australia
and
then
I
moved
to
the
united
states
in
2015-
and
I
was
the
founder
of
a
company
called
piedmont
lithium
in
just
outside
of
charlotte
north
carolina.
G
We
started
epirion
x
a
couple
of
years
ago.
It
was
under
the
name,
hyperion
metals.
We
just
recently
changed
our
name
as
we
moved
to
become
more
of
an
american
company.
G
We
just
want
to
get
ahead
of
the
curve
and
educate
everyone
here
on
this
committee
as
to
what
our
plans
are,
why
we
think
this
is
important
for
our
country
and
why
we
think
we
can
do
it
in
a
way
which
leaves
behind
a
strong
legacy
where
landowners
not
just
win
from
royalties,
but
also
continue
to
win
from
land
use
post
those
rehabilitation
efforts.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Are
there
any
other
companies
that
you
know
of
are
looking
to
come
to
tennessee
to
harvest,
or
I
don't
know
if
they,
the
right
word
harvest
or
to
process
titanium?
Is
there
any
other
companies
right
now
other
than
you
looking
at
tennessee.
G
No,
there
is
not.
We
did
hear
of
a
few
other
prospective
groups
looking
and
investigating,
and
once
they
encountered,
I
guess
the
community
and
then
heard
it
was
us
they
didn't
continue
to
pursue
those
opportunities.
I
think
we
have
made
a
strong
push
within
the
community
and
we
have
done
things
in
a
way
where
we
we.
G
I
would
like
to
go
above
and
beyond,
so
it
makes
it
hard
for
other
companies
to
come
in
here
and
and
compete
with
us,
and
that's
where
I
say
it's
good
business
for
us
to
to
do
these
partnerships
with
the
university
of
tennessee
to
work
with
the
landowners
to
do
the
community
engagement
to
be
very
active
in
the
community,
because
I
can't
lease
all
of
west
tennessee.
You
know
I
mean
it
is.
G
It
literally
is
everywhere
we
drilled
40
miles
to
the
south
a
few
like
a
month
ago,
and
it
continues
to
be
there
it's
everywhere.
I
can't
lease
all
that
land
and
keep
competition
out,
and
actually
it
will
be
good
if
competition
does
come
in
because
eventually,
when
we
build
our
process
and
facilities,
maybe
we
can
direct
that
other
competition
to
process
through
our
process
facilities.
B
One
last
follow-up:
I
just
first
of
all,
I
know
nothing
about
it,
so
I
I'm
not
suggesting
that
would
be,
but
have
any
research
been
done
or
have
you
done
in
the
research
as
to
what
disadvantage
it
does
to
the
soil
when
you
produce
titanium,
as
is,
is
the
land
going
to
be
better
or
does
it
take
some
minerals
away
that
never
come
back,
etc?
Any
research
such
as
that
been
done
in
your
opinion
and
thank
you.
G
Yeah,
yes,
to
answer
that,
yes,
there's
been
research
done
in
other
areas,
there
was
an
operation
in
virginia
which
operated
for
approximately
20
years
by
a
company
called.
I
luca
and
virginia
tech
had
done
some
research
around
the
soil
health
five
years
ten
years
post
mining
and
that
research
showed
that
yields
not
only
come
back
to
where
they
were
before,
but
can
be
slightly
a
little
better.
G
What
we
would
like
to
do
is
to
improve
on
that
research
with
this
university
of
tennessee
partnership
and
work
with
professor
forbes
walker,
to
look
at
opportunities
where
we
can
improve
it
beyond
that,
potentially
provide
additional
revenue
opportunities
for
landowners
in
the
form
of
carbon
sequestration.
Things
like
that.