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From YouTube: House - Agriculture Subcommittee - February 1, 2022
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House Agriculture Subcommittee House Hearing Room 3
A
B
A
A
A
According
to
national
cattlemen's
beef
association,
97
percent
of
the
nation's
cattle
farms
are
family
owned
and
42
percent
of
those
farms
have
been
in
the
same
family
for
more
than
50
years.
Tennessee
is
actually
one
of
the
top
beef
producing
states
in
the
nation,
exceeding
more
than
2.3
million
cattle
statewide
and
valued
at
more
than
three
more
than
1.62
billion
dollars.
A
D
Thank
you,
chairman
and
committee,
appreciate
it.
This
bill
simply
requires
that
any
part,
two
application
for
expansion
or
major
modification
of
a
class
one
landfill
include
a
letter
of
support
from
the
local
governments
that
are
impacted,
such
as
the
county
mayor
or
county
commission
and
a
municipality
within
one
mile
currently
part
two
of
an
application
requires
things
like
a
hydro,
geologic
study
and
an
engineering
study.
D
So
in
theory
it
takes
into
account
water
and
in
the
environmental
impact,
but
but
it
doesn't
take
into
account
the
quality
of
life
impact
expressed
by
the
local
elected
officials.
Landfills
that
follow
fall
under
the
jackson
law
by
definition,
need
to
show
good
faith
and
partnership
with
the
locals
for
any
expansion.
D
A
D
Yeah,
I've
got
a
well
I'd,
have
to
look
for
the
copy
over
here,
but
my
understanding
of
the
jackson
law
was
passed
in
19.
I
think
it
came
into
effect
june,
2nd
1989
and
what
it
does
is
it
requires
the
city
or
the
county,
those
officials
to
sign
off
on
any
new
landfill
or
any
expansion
of
landfills
that
were
not
permitted
before
1989.
D
D
C
C
D
For
me
personally,
I
have
not
had
conversations
with
them
throughout
the
process
and
over
the
years
I've
talked
with
tdec
about
you,
know
the
different
landfills
and
gotten
information
from
them.
On
that
you
know,
over
the
years
I've
tried
to
talk
to
legal,
about
narrowing
the
scope
right
of
the
of
different
types
of
legislation
just
to
either
apply
to
my
county,
and
maybe
legal
can
expound
on
that.
But
my
what
I've
always
been
informed
of
my
understanding
was
that
if
I'd
narrowed
it
down,
then
it
would
be
unconstitutional.
C
Represented
reading,
I
think,
mr
chairman,
because
certainly
in
my
district,
I
I
have
a
landfill
and,
of
course
yes,
it
stinks,
and-
and
yes
it's,
I
guess,
nobody
that
has
a
landfill
is
proud
of
it
being
in
their
district
for
the
challenges
we
have,
but
certainly
part
of
my
district,
my
home
county
of
houston,
county
8,
000
people.
We
start
having
that
discussion
because
by
county
waste
is
where
our
waste
goes
to
and
just
the
cost
on
the
county.
C
D
Do
appreciate
that
and
you
know
again
from
a
statewide
perspective.
I
think
all
our
citizens
afford
that
equal
protection
and
equal
say
at
the
table
from
that
from
that
and
if
you
look
back
you
know,
1989
was
when
that
jackson
law
came
into
effect,
and
I
don't
know
how
long
all
those
landfills
are
going
to
be
how
long
they're
going
to
be
open.
D
D
We
have
a
significant
recurring
surplus
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
governor
spoke
about
was
infrastructure,
and
I
do
want
to
mention
you
like
rutherford,
county
fastest
growing
county.
You
know
we're
getting
one
new
seat.
Murfreesboro
is
named
the
number
one
boom
town,
but
last
week
an
article
came
out
saying
you
know
america's
dirtiest
cities
and
they
talked
about
infrastructure
and
murfreesboro
was
worst
infrastructure
based
off
of
one
of
the
metrics.
Was
tonnage
of
waste?
D
That's
in
it's
in
the
county,
so
going
back
to
1989
when
those
do
close,
we
we
have
to
do
something.
You
are
correct
in
that,
and
I
would
argue
that
with
the
funds
that
we
have
now
we're
at
the
perfect
time
where
that
conversation
needs
to
be
had,
we
need
to.
We
need
to
give
our
citizens
the
seat
at
the
table,
but
we
also
need
to
be
thinking
what?
What
else
can
we
utilize
that
money
for
as
far
as
infrastructure?
Can
we
do
a
regional
plan?
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
so
first
of
all
chairman
terry
terry.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
the
legislation.
This
says
it's
an
issue
in
in
my
district
as
well.
We
have
a
landfill
that
precedes
the
jackson
law,
and
so
I
think
there
I
think
there
is
a
flaw
currently
in
state
law.
The
way
that
that
those
who
who
existed
before
1989
are
are
regulated.
First
of
all,
it
makes
complete
sense
to
me
that
those
landfills
that
existed
before
1989
their
original
permitted
footprint
we
should
not
be
able
to
retroactively,
regulate
that
footprint.
E
That
makes
sense
to
me.
I
understand
that
once
they
leave
that
footprint,
though,
and
expand
beyond
the
footprint
that
existed
before
the
jackson
law,
there
absolutely
should
be
local
input
on
that
expansion.
That
makes
sense.
That's
why
we
put
the
jackson
law
in
place.
So
if
you
have
a
new
landfill,
there
will
be
local
input,
so
just
because
you
have
two
50-acre
fields
that
exist
next
to
each
other,
and
one
landfill
existed
before
1989
that
they
should
be
able
to
expand
to
that
next
50-acre
field.
E
But
if
you
had
a
brand
new
landfill
come
in
at
the
50-acre
field,
they
would
be
regulated
by
the
jackson.
Law
makes
no
sense.
The
spirit
of
the
jackson
law
is
that
there
is
local
input
for
landfill
expansion,
and
so
you
know,
I
also
understand
that
there
are
like
the
landfill
that
you're
discussing
it's
a
regional
landfill.
I
think,
does
how
many,
how
many
counties
does
it
serve?.
E
E
I
don't
think,
however,
that
a
community
should
be
forced
to
take
that
garbage
from
now
until
eternity
just
because
that
facility
existed
before
the
jackson
law.
They
should
not
be
forced
to
accept
that
from
now
on,
without
some
kind
of
local
input,
and
so
I
I
think
that's
what
this
bill
does.
Some
people
would
argue
well
and
that
that
that
it
would
go
before
the
regional,
solid
waste
board
and
expansion
would,
I
will
say,
I
will
tell
you
this.
E
An
expansion
at
meadow
branch
landfill
about
six
years
ago
did
not
go
before
the
regional,
solid
waste
board
feel
free
to
look
that
up.
Anyone
who
would
like
to
I
don't
know
if
that
was
an
error,
but
even
if
it
goes
to
the
regional
solid
waste
board,
let's
think
about
what
that
is.
That's
the
surrounding
counties
and
your
county
represented
there.
E
If
all
the
surrounding
counties
are
sending
their
garbage
to
your
county
they're
going
to
approve
an
expansion
of
the
landfill-
that's,
like
you,
know
three
wolves
and
a
sheep
going
to
dinner
and
they
they
vote
for
that
they
vote
for
what
they're
going
to
have.
I
can
tell
you
he's
going
to
win
that
vote,
and
so
there
should
be
input
by
the
community
that
it's
affecting,
and
so
so
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
that.
I
think
there's
probably
a
couple
little
sentences,
maybe
in
the
legislation
we
could.
E
We
could
clean
up
a
little
bit,
but
I'm
I'm
certainly
in
favor
of
the
spirit
of
that
no
community.
Again,
just
just
because
a
landfill
existed
before
1989.
They
should
not
have
carte
blanche,
expansion
capabilities
for
for
that
sole
reason
just
because
they
existed
before
a
certain
date,
and
so
there
should.
There
should
be
that
local
input,
because
there
is
very
serious
local
impact.
E
So
anyway,
I'm
in
favor
of
your
legislation.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
and
again
I'm
I
I'm
not
for
locals
being
able
to
arbitrarily
deny
expansion,
but
if
there's
good
reason,
if
they
can
provide
solid
reason,
there
should
always
be
that
local
input
you
shouldn't
be
exempted
from
that.
So
I'm
in
favor
of
your
bill.
Thank
you.
D
D
Previously,
I'd
worked
with
legal
and
tried
to
get
legislation
that
would
allow
the
locals
to
have
input
input
on
what
other
counties
could
actually
send
in
whether
we
could
stop.
You
know,
wet
sludge
or
whatever,
and
my
understanding
when
I
spoke
with
legal
was
that
even
if
we
were
able
to
stop
that
from
an
interstate
commerce
clause,
they
could
contract
with
people
outside
the
state
and
my
locals,
wouldn't
have
any
say
in
that.
So
to
your
point
I
appreciate
your
comments.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
dr
terry,
for
bringing
this.
I
can't
imagine
the
phone
calls
that
you
get
and
my
phone
calls
that
I
get
and
we're
a
rural
area
we're
definitely
not
the
fastest
growing
county
in
the
country,
but
with
this
the
citizens
of
rutherford
county,
do
they
have
to
pay
a
trash
pickup
right
now.
B
D
D
From
closing,
of
course,
when
I
got
elected
they
said
it
was
six
to
eight
years
from
closing
that
was
eight
years
ago,
but
if,
if
it
does
close
in
that
period
of
time,
they're
already
planning,
you
know
what
they're
gonna
do
from
a
recycling
center
and
different
things
like
that,
but
they
they
do
support
this.
They
have
sent
me
I've
spoken
to
them.
They
have
supported
this,
and
so
they
do
know
that
cost
and
they're
prepared
for
that.
F
D
F
Agree
with
that,
what
assurance
do
we
have
that
that
the
two
parties,
if
both
if
the
the
accord
was
signed,
what
assurance
do
we
have
that
they're
not
going
to
negotiate
in
good
faith
to
reaching
a
good,
solid
agreement,
and
that
just
won't
be
a
vehicle
for
the
county
government
or
something
like
that
to
veto
this?
If
by
not
signing
on
to
the
accord.
D
Thank
you.
I
don't
know
that,
there's
any
guarantees
again,
it
would
have,
they
would
be
able
at
the
table,
be
able
to
negotiate,
and
I
don't
know
how
those
negotiations
would
enter.
I
mean
I
don't
know
how
they
would
end.
I
know
that
there's
the
county
has
put
up
rfps
on
what
they
would
like
to
do
going
forward,
and
so
you
know
they
may
sit
down
with
this
landfill
and
maybe
they
could
come
up
with
solution
going
forward,
but
I
don't
know
that
there's
any
guarantee.
F
D
A
One
observation
from
a
couple
of
comments
that
have
been
made
so
far
is
the
way
the
bill
is
written.
It
seems
to
require
local
support
from
a
letter
of
local
support
from
either
the
mayor
or
the
local
legislative
body
in
order
for
that
permit
application
to
be
complete,
and
if
they
don't
get
that,
then
it's
kind
of
like
a
trump
card.
They
literally
I
mean
the
application's
incomplete
it
can't
move
forward.
A
I
don't
know
about
the
local
boards
and
all
that,
but
as
representative
cochran
mentioned
while
ago
that
that
could
be
an
issue
when,
when
that
board
is
made
up
of
folks
that
don't
have
landfills
and
and
one
entity
that
does
but
to
have
it,
you
know
I
just
want
to
make
that
observation
that
apparently
the
way
this
is
written
it
literally
one
signature
from
one
person
in
in
that
county
could
or
city
could
hold
this
whole
process
up.
So
that's
just
an
observation,
representation.
D
C
D
Thank
you.
That
is
a
great
question.
There
is,
through
my
understanding,
through
rule
making
regulations.
That's
what
they've
put
on
those
applications.
I'm
understanding
there's
a
part,
one
application
that
ends
up
going
to
the
regional
board
and
at
that
point
the
board
either
gives
it
a
thumbs
up
or
a
thumbs
down.
At
that
point,
either
party
can
file
a
lawsuit.
I
think
it
goes
to
chancery
court
at
that
point
in
time.
D
D
But
there's
a
part
two
of
it,
and
my
understanding
is
that
they
have
put
in
what
needs
to
be
on
part
two,
which
is
the
hydrogeologic
survey,
the
engineering
survey.
In
my
discussions
with
them
they.
Basically,
I
was
told
that
there's
nothing
that
prohibits
us
as
a
general
assembly
from
adding
something
to
that
application,
and
that's
where
I
got
the
idea
for
this
legislation
is
that
I
I
felt
like
what
they
had
through
their
rulemaking
process
or
to
do
that.
Application
was
not
complete.
If
you
don't
have
the
local
input
here.
D
There
is
local
input
from
the
standpoint.
You
can
go
in
from
the
board
and
you
can
talk
to
the
board.
You
have
citizens
come
up
there
and
talk,
but
the
governing
and
the
governing
bodies
can
present
to
that
board,
but
through
that
process
and
that
application
process
they
don't
have
that
authority.
At
least
these
17
do
not
representative
reading.
D
D
Thank
you.
I
think
I
was.
I
was
notified,
I
believe,
by
my
county.
When
they
were
notified.
You
know
it
was
dropped
on
them.
They
want
to,
they
want
to
expand
the
landfill,
and
so
there
was
not
from
my
understanding.
There
was
no
negotiation
beforehand,
they
were
just
told
here
it
is,
and
then
they
call
me
hey
want
to
give
you
a
heads
up.
This
is
what's
going
on
representative
reading.
C
C
You
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
going
to
our
landfills
that
don't
need
to
be,
if
there's
a
way
that
we
could
figure
out
as
a
state,
and
you
know
actually
helping
private
entities,
help
recycle
this
and
stop
the
waste
that's
going
to
all
of
our
landfills,
but
I
think
that's
part
of
the
conversation
I
need
to
have
with
tdec
too
that
it's
if,
if
somebody's
dropping
the
ball
at
their
level,
letting
your
local
folks
know
what's
going
on
it's
my
understanding.
It's
always
they
will
reach
out
to
the
the
elected
officials.
C
All
of
that
and
there's
I'm
constantly
kept
in
the
loop,
so
I
I
I
would
be
curious
to
find
out
a
permit
is
discussed
or
pulled
that
the
public
should
be
or
would
be
informative
in
what's
going
on,
but
the
challenges
and
in
all
of
our
districts
is,
is
trying
to
get
information
out
to
the
voting
public,
especially
on
on.
What's
the
politics
what's
what's
in
the
air?
What's
going
on
that
a
lot
of
people
just
kind
of
turn
this
off
until
the
nth
hour,
and
at
that
they
do.
C
The
rally
crying
then
try
to
shut
down
everything
and
kind
of
to
chairman
halford's
question
that
was
asked.
It
would
be
folks
are
going
to
be
out
there
throwing
in
roadblocks
for
whatever
reason
for
anything
we
do.
You
know,
through
the
forestry
service
through
mining,
that
we're
trying
to
do
in
tennessee,
as
well
as
what
tea
deck
is,
is
trying
to
do,
and
so
there's
there's
a
lot
of
challenges.
C
D
Thank
you
and
to
your
point
as
far
as
getting
information
out,
I
will
tell
you
that
is
getting
it
to
the
public.
Is
is
difficult.
I
will
say
it
was
either
my
first
or
second
session
here.
This
particular
landfill
has
a
rock
quarry
in
there
and
they
do
blasting
and
they
needed
to
get
a
permit
to
crush
the
rock
and
there
was
going
to
be
a
t-deck.
Come
came
down
to
have.
D
I
think
it
was
a
public
hearing
down
there
at
one
of
the
schools
and
I
went
door
to
door,
knocking
on
hundreds
of
doors,
passing
out
flyers
to
get
people
engaged
and
get
them
in
there.
Again.
I
appreciate
I
I
mean
I'd
like
to
have
your
support
on
this.
I
appreciate
your
comments.
You
know
this
is
a
you
know
from
an
odor
standpoint.
D
D
Well
then,
what
was
the
problem
and,
for
example,
one
of
the
issues
that
that
we
have
and
I'll
tell
you
you
know
I
live
pretty
good
ways
away
from
from
the
landfill,
but
I
have
to
drive
by
downtown
murfreesboro
go
when
I
go
to
the
hospital
and
landfill
closes.
I
think
at
noon
on
on
saturday,
they
cover
it
up,
put
dirt
on
it.
A
Thank
you
for
that.
I
might
mention,
since
the
t-deck
permitting
process
has
been
discussed
quite
a
bit
here.
Tdeck
has
always
traditionally
and
by
law,
provided
the
public
with
adequate
notice
and
that's
changed
over
the
years.
You
can
now
sign
up
for
emails
about
any
particular
permitting
process
or
topic
with
tdec
and
get
those
on
a
regular
basis.
A
They
they
wear
my
email
out
quite
a
bit
with
that,
because
they're
all
across
the
state,
so
folks
can,
you
know,
can
be
informed
by
that
and
they
still
publish
in
in
the
normal
ways
as
well,
but
certainly
it's
a
point
that
that
should
be
asked
and
should
be
taken
very
seriously,
that
we
make
sure
that
the
public
is
properly
informed
when
decisions
are
being
made.
Representative
cochran,
you're
recognized.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
touched
on
this
a
little
bit
earlier
chairman
terry,
I'm
going
to
try
to
I'll
I'll,
try
to
phrase
it
in
the
form
of
a
question.
This
time,
though
your
this
landfill
expansion,
it's
it's
a
new
new
field,
a
new,
it's,
a
new
parcel
of
land
that
they're
expanding
on
is
that
a
parcel
that
currently
doesn't
have
garbage
is
would
now
contain
garbage.
Is
that
right,
representative.
D
Thank
you
and
to
illustrate
the
point
a
little
bit
further
it.
They
have
owned
this
land,
but
it
is
not
the
land
that
was
under
the
original
footprint
right.
In
fact,
the
land
has
a
park
on
it
and
I
will
say
when
I
first
moved
to
rutherford
county
there.
They
have
a
ball
field
and
our
anesthesia
anesthesia
group
was
participating
in
a
softball
tournament
and
we
practiced
on
that
field.
Those
fields
are
going
to
go
away.
They
would
be
incorporated
into
this
landfill.
E
So
so,
there's
a
there's
a
parcel
of
property
next
to
your
landfill
that
currently
doesn't
have
garbage
on
it.
That
now
would
if
a
new
landfill
operation
came
in
and
bought
that
same
parcel
of
property
and
said
they
were
going
to
put
garbage
on
it.
They
would
have
to
go
before
local
governing
bodies
to
get
some
approval.
For
that
is
that
correct?
That's
my
understanding,
and
so
that's
my
point:
why?
Why
would
this
be
any
different?
E
It
shouldn't
you
shouldn't,
be
able
to
bypass
local
input
because
of
a
nuance,
because,
just
because
you
existed
before
1989,
if
that
new
landfill
that
bought,
that
parcel
would
have
would
be
required
to
get
local
input
before
they
put
garbage
on
that
parcel
of
property.
The
existing
landfill
should
have
to
get
local
input
and
some
local
approval
before
they
put
garbage
on
that
new
parcel
of
property.
There's
in
my
mind,
there's
no
difference.
So.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
We
need
to
know
that.
I
agree
with
representative
cochran
that
you
know
a
rule,
for
one
should
be
the
rule
for
the
other,
but
these
were
carved
out
this.
This
rule
was
even
put
in
place.
I
think,
with
the
promise
that
these
would
not
be
included
in
that.
So
I
think
we
need
to
recognize
that
at
this
point,
but
you
know
before
we
make
a
decision
any
other
questions.
Representative
shaw.
B
A
D
I
do
have
a
little
bit
of
wiggle
room.
I
don't
know
that
I
have
two
weeks
of
wiggle
room
on
this.
I'd
be
if,
if
the
committee
would
pass
it
through
I'll
won't
run
it
next
week
and
hold
it
to
the
15th
before
I
did
something
in
full
committee
or
you
know,
I
could
take
this
off
notice
for
now
or
whatever
we
need
to
do
and
see
about
next
week.
D
I
do
understand
your
point
about
what
what
the
intent
was.
Then
I
would.
I
would
make
the
argument
that
you
know
we,
as
a
general
assembly,
aren't
tied
to
the
general
assemblies
that
were
the
decisions
they
made
years
ago
were
new
general
assembly.
So
we
have
that
that
authority
and
circumstances
change.
I
will
say
that
you
know
when
the
landfill
came
into
rutherford
county,
those
that
voted
on.
D
I
think
they
thought
the
landfill
was
going
to
be
15
to
20
years,
we're
going
on
30
and
then
a
potential
expansion
may
be
another
30,
and
I
don't
think
that
was
the
intent
of
the
original
jackson
law
for
them
to
to
do
generational
things
without
any
sort
of
local
input.
But
I'm
I'm
at
the
will
of
the
committee.
A
From
comments
that
have
been
made,
I
think
maybe
taking
off
notice
might
be
the
best
way
and
then
you
have
control
of
when
that
conversation
cranks
back
up
and
I'd
say.
Even
if
it's
just
a
week,
then
you
you
know,
we've
got
some
things
that
can
be
done,
conversation
to
be
had,
we
can
make
sure
stakeholders
from
other
parts
of
the
state
that
would
be
affected
by
this.
Have
some
input
as
well,
because
I
know
that's
a
concern.
D
C
And
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
it
and
representative
cochran's
comments,
and
certainly
that
would
be.
The
question
is
from
previous
legislation.
If
an
expansion
falls
outside
of
the
original
intent
of
the
bill,
that
was
in
89,
that
was
passed
that,
yes,
they
would
fall
under
already.
What
would
be
the
new
law,
but
then
my
thoughts,
also
as
a
maybe
a
amended
bill
is
just
saying:
try
to
catch
not
already
in
the
works,
but
but
any
of
these
17
landfills
if
they
fall
outside
of
their
original
footprint.
C
C
D
C
D
I
I
will
take
the
recommendation
of
the
committee
and
the
chair
again
this.
Obviously
you
guys
know
I'm
passionate
about
this,
and
I
you
know
want
you
guys
to
be
in
the
best
position
to
support
this
as
a
positive
recommendation
to
the
full
committee.
So
with
that,
if
you
guys
want
me
to
take
this
off
notice
to
answer
some
more
questions
and
then
I'll
be
happy
to
do
that.